/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Did anyone snag anything from the Meta release?

>>9704739
>Lolita Fashion
sure but you meant General.

>>9704767
Not yet. I’m trying to think if it’ll be popular or not, otherwise I’ll just get it when it’s ready stock. I might just reserve the white otks and maybe Headdress. You?

In my country is summer, would it be a sin wear a sleeveless blouse? my other white blouse is long sleeve.

>>9704901
Long sleeves are fine, skip heavy tights so you don't die

>>9704901
Opinions differ, but in my opinion you should at least have your armpits covered. Maybe take this as an opportunity to buy a nice short-sleeved blouse? Or a short, lightweight bolero.

>>9704901
Pics?

>>9704901
Get some half blouses for the summer. They're great for hot weather.

>>9704975

>>9704987
No normie blouses allowed

>>9704913
I have a pink cardi but its sooo normie, need some modifications

>>9704977
My coord its for the loliday ;_; i dont have so much time

>>9704987
This is really cute for a daily coord

>>9704987
Actually not as bad as I thought it would be, it's pretty cute. Do you have a detachable bow or a ribbon to tie under the collar? It'll add a bit of detail to it do it's not too plain.
What does the rest of your coord look like?

>>9704987
I wouldn't post this on CoF or wear it to a meet, but it's a very cute daily coord. If I didn't hate my arms I would wear something like that for casual wear. Just be sure to accessorize. A nice pink necklace and a few bracelets would make it more interesting without making it hotter.

>>9704767
I tried to reserve a jsk, but I haven't heard anything from meta yet.

Bought a Lolita blouse on Alie during the 11.11 discount. An automatic tracking code was generated shortly after that. Yesterday I finally got my first tracking notice, it Said the shipment was canceled. I just sent the seller an email, I hope they reply soon. I suspect they never brought the package to the post office.

>>9704767
The good cut sold out but they are doing a mto so it isn’t a big deal.

>>9704666
I'm really surprised it sold out, I don't like the print at all. But I guess it's a new take on Misty Sky so. I'll be curious to see if it actually sold out in stores too.

>>9704987
I agree with anon, add a bow or matching brooch to the collar. Also play up the fact that it's hot, dainty ankle socks and perhaps a straw boater hat. It wouldn't go if you tried to make it OTT but keep it simple and clean and I think it works.

>>9704843
I was aiming for accessories but threw in a jsk once the website stabilized! Managed to get everything I wanted.

>>9705041
Yeah I tried to go back and add the hair accessory but I didn't get an email for it even though the order is in my history. I got emails for all the other items I got, though

For everyone from the last thread who was tired of seeing Taobao shit in Lolita Updates - just block the most common posters and it's actually useful again. That 郑 乐儿 chick posts like 90% of it.

>>9704987
wax your pits b4 the meet girl

>>9704739
Is that a dude?

>>9705249
Yep.

So, I know a few threads ago people were talking about wanting more active lolita youtubers. A few questions:

What would you like to see? I remember people not being super interested in unboxing, so what else would you like? Skits, makeup/diy tutorials, haul videos?
What's some aspects that would make you enjoy watching such a youtuber and coming back? What's some that would make you drop them?
Would you only watch lolita skits that involve several others wearing the fashion? What do you think about lonelitas attempting to make youtube videos? What would you like to see from lonelitas?

I'm asking because I'm definitely tempted to post videos related to lolita, but (as you might've guessed) I'm a lonelita, so having a bunch of friends around to do skits with, like Deerstalker, would be impossible.

>>9705340
skits and meetup vids and vlogs. i just want to see lolitas bein lolitas, hauls are boring, tutorials are a dime a dozen unless theyre good sewing videos

i dont see a problem with a lonelita making skits, just make them interesting or make a point of humour by having alternate characters that are just different outfits on yourself and have them be recurring characters in the skits, each with distinct personalities and stereotypes

how good/bad is the discord and how can i get in?

>>9705365
its mostly /fa/ people and i found it boring and ended up leaving after using it just a couple times.

>>9705365
there are like 3 discords please specify

>>9705365
The “vetted” one has the stupid girl who made a fool of herself on RC so it seems subjective as fuck on who they deny and why. She is cringey but got in, others don’t for whatever reason.

The other one is slow but nothing drama worth has happened there.

>>9705365
Depends which one you're talking about

>>9705396
>>9705387
>>9705376
>>9705372
uhhhh, i never thought there were 3 discords. which one is about lolita fasion? I guess i would like to join all 3 if possible and if i don't like it i can quit.

>>9705365
Fashion x CGL - /fa/ users and /cgl/ users who found themselves unable to join Lolita Fashion because of vetting

Lolita Fashion Discord - rejects from Lolita Fashion because of vetting

Sweet lolita fashion - Reddit's /r/lolita

Is anyone having trouble with the messages on LM? I sent out a bunch of messages today to different people, all unread.

I can’t tell if something is wrong or if literally 6 different people haven’t checked their messages in 24 hours?

>>9705411
So there's four then. /fa/x/cgl, Lolita Fashion Discord (this is Birbmom's fairly ita discord that came out of Goose's), Sweet Lolita Fashion, and Lolita Fashion which is Mash/Lala's vetting discord.

>>9705450
yeah ive noticed that too, i send a message after winning an auction and they havent seen it in 2 days. what are we supposed to do in this case? can the lacemarket fb mods give us email contact or something?

>>9705453
Who the fuck are these people

>>9705501
People from the original discord (Goose's).

Is anyone going to drop links? I'm curious about the /fa/ x /cgl/ one actually.

>>9705502
Here's the /fa/ x /cgl/ link: https://discord.gg/hkFB5vy

>>9705340
Personally, I love unboxing and hauls

>>9705520
Depends how interesting the person is and camera

*whispering* sssecretsss

>>9705340
expanding upon this: lolita/lifestyle blogs
i do a lot of crafting for lolita and live my life in a kind of twee, traditional way. would people be interested in stuff like progress on lolita-related crafts, resources for lolita-specific crafting (mostly knitting/crochet), general flowery lifestyle posts, the occasional unboxing (typically older pieces that others might find interesting)? i see people saying that they miss lifestyle blogs, but i want to know if i'm on the right track here... especially with platforms like youtube, instagram, and tumblr, i'm wondering if there's any interest in personal blogs anymore?

>>9705411
/fa/x/cgl/ is its own thing and has been around long before this egl server kerfuffle arose. not a reject chat lol.

>>9705566
This sounds really cosy anon. Would you consider having an insta that linked to your blog (if you set one up)? I'd be more encouraged to go look at a blog if I saw a post on instagram that linked rather than just "hey here's a blog I wrote" with a web address that i'll ultimately forget about.

>>9705574
i like that! i can kind of see it now-- posting a photo on insta that coincides with the content of the blogpost, and providing a link in the caption? that's a very clever idea on your part, thanks!

i'll push myself to start it up after i finish a few projects, and then go from there. not entirely sure where the best place to link it would be when the time comes, but that's a concern for the future.

>>9705453
Link to the vetting one?

Anyone have any books they’ve read that follow the lolita aesthetic? I’m wanting some new reads but the only lolita related one I know of is Kamikaze Girls.

>>9705640
I'd say check the archives. There was a great thread with lots of related movies and books a few months ago. I'll link it if I find it.

>>9705640
>>9705641
It was thread no.9511389.

>>9705566
This sounds fantastic, anon. I adore blogs and still check as many as I can reguarly, even if the pool is a lot more shallow. If you start one please let us know! I'd love to read this.

This is so stupid.

New idea for Hijab Lolita? kek

>>9705715
I hope this was posted in the lolita humor group. otherwise there's no way to save this girl

>>9705340
7 ways to wear a main-piece and subtitled videos of lolitas in Japan

>>9705737
Should be posted on RC:U and the poster be chastised for being a poorlita.

>>9705340
anything but meetup vids desu, i could care less about that unless there's a skit or something similar involved

>>9705340
i love unboxings/hauls/try ons as long as they're well shot (if i can't see the details whats the point?) and they have an entertaining personality!

Does anyone own pic related and can offer an honest review of it? I'm collecting the GLBs but hesitating to get this volume because Trevor Brown's art weirds me out.

>>9705762
I don't know but what do you think is a good secondhand price for an unpopular volume of GLB?

>>9705785
I've gotten some volumes for as little as 300 yen iirc. They go cheap on auctions and many of them are in great condition with the patterns and stickers included.

Princess Peachie just posted this video, what do you guys think of it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y30mGcym_OM

>>9705799
I'm not sure I follow the point she's trying to make, but maybe I'm out of the loop. When has anyone taken something from a certain style and claimed it as their own, like they came up with it? I can only think of one instance, of that one Mexican TV show that shortened a few AP JSKs and claimed it's "cupcake fashion" that they created; that was in 2012 though, is it still happening now? Or did I completely misunderstand what she was trying to say?

>>9705810
Pixielocks "invented" a style that's literally fairy kei meets cult party with a cake theme. She's also in the contest for kawaii.i... I doubt it's a coincidence

>>9705799
RIP pixie

>>9705736
idk how she didnt get shit for this.... was she in a country she needed to wear a hijab or soemthing? or did i miss the shit storm?

>>9705343
>i dont see a problem with a lonelita making skits, just make them interesting or make a point of humour by having alternate characters that are just different outfits on yourself and have them be recurring characters in the skits, each with distinct personalities and stereotypes
so like a Tyler Perry or Mike Myers movie?

>>9705818
It was posted a few days ago in a Lolita General thread. NHK had a video about this.

>>9705834
did it get deleted i just looked at the last 4 for the photo and "NHK"

>>9705841
There were two generals, might want to check both of them.

>>9705818
She posted the picture on her Instagram. She was visiting the Halal Expo in Tokio (I don't know anything about the NHK report the other anon mentioned)

>>9705818
>>9705841
>>9705859
Here's the vid from the NHK http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20171122/k10011231511000.html

>>9705869
thank you.

Its interesting and i like that they definitely balanced it out a lot more although many of it is haram like wearing wigs, fake eyelashes and showing the wigs in general

>>9704987
This would be cute with a lightweight bolero over it

>>9705818
It’s not offensive to Muslims to wear a hijab if you’re not Muslim, btw. It’s not a “religious garment” in that way. If anything it’s somewhat respectful to cover if you know you’ll be around a lot of people whose culture calls for covering (like the halal expo must have been).

>source: Muslim family-in-law on the prospect of visiting their country where covering is normal but not required.

Vetting Discord

https://discord.gg/zgqCCu

Vetting Discord

https://discord.gg/zgqCCu

>is this the new general?
Anywho is there anything similar to this matching look? My partner isnt interested in ouji but still wants to somewhat match me when we go out.

>>9706133
Dropped pic sorry!

>>9706133
Not sure of the gender or size of your partner, but Jane Marple makes shirts with some of their prints

>>9706137
For some reason, my autocorrect turned boyfriend into partner? Weird, sorry for the confusion. But he has a belly so I don't think he'd be comfy in JM. I guess I'll just see if anyone wants to sell the Taobao set. Thank you anyways!

>>9705340
We've had a few threads on this in the past if you search the archives, it might be helpful.

>>9705762
There are scans of most of it here so you can see if you like it:
http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/index.php?/category/69

I hate Trevor Brown too but he barely features.

>>9706133
I've seen really cute matching sets from Milk/Milk Boy

>>9705799
Am I the only one who finds Peachie to be insanely annoyingly fake?

Thoughts on Lovely Snow Fantasy? Anyone hoping to buy it? The frozen cum apple bags sold out within 12ish hours of release, but the JSKs and OPs are still available in every colorway.

>>9706407
>frozen cum
lmao I want it just because of that now thanks anon
I was eyeing the bear ears, but I'm on the fence about it because I don't really have other things to match them with.

>>9706406
Nah, she gets on my nerves too.

>>9706407
I wish the snow wasn’t off-white.

>>9706407
I think the bag is pretty cute but the print is nothing new.. seems like a poor taobao pastel mess
>>9706450
Yeah, seriously that makes it worse..

My school makes all the departments wear a different uniform except on professional dress days. Tips on taking casual lolita all the way to corporate lolita? My tastes are very sweet so it'll involve some new main pieces but that's fine.

>>9706407
I presume that they're going to put the dresses on the new year sales, so I'll probably pick one up there

>>9706184
Thanks so much, anon!

>>9706453
You're better off not wearing lolita if your school has a dress code, especially on professional dress days. At most maybe encorporate a lolita brand blouse or blazer type jacket, or a small hairbow clip. Stick to the classic brands, such as VM, MM, Excentrique, or IW, and a more muted colour palette. Some brands produce things in pinstripe.

>>9706453
don’t

>>9705799
I wish she’d stop doing her eye makeup in permanent n___n position with the shiny white underneath, and get a different background or put on some blush so her face wasn’t blending in with the wall

>>9705825
like an adam sandlers movie, the worst kind

Something is going on at Chinese Lolita Updates

>>9706617
wtf is this?

>>9706598
Holy fuck, this is the exact reason I would not want lolita to ever be a normalized thing.

I can just see some shitty straight to netflix Adam Sandler movie where his daughter is a lolita so he becomes one too to bond with her.

>>9706407
God. I'm so sick of the "it's white it must jizz" jokes. Bunch of fucking 13 years olds. A girl in my comm actually mentioned "Daddies cummies" to me thinking it was actually funny.

>>9706632
I mean, it would be a shitty movie but I'd worry more about the possible "hurr your daughter is dressed like a baby" jokes, or worse, jailbait jokes because of the name.
It's a good thing the fashion is "too weird" to ever be normal; the most we can hope for is to be recognized the way goths are, which is slowly happening.

>>9706640
who came in your cereal?

>>9706652
Are you inept? I said it was a girl in my comm.

>>9706654
A girl in your comm came in your cereal? Gross.

>>9706656
you're such a cool edgelord. Considering current time, you're probably an aussie right?

Or maybe you need to take your semen obsessed ass back to your containment board?

>>9706654
>having reading comprehension this bad
>>9706658
>being this offended
go drink some more cummies sweetie, then daddy would love you more

>>9706659
>needing to talk about sperm this much
are you jerking it right now and needing someone to rp with?

Never change ClosetChild

>>9706662
Word of advice, anon: Sometimes the best thing to do is to ignore a reply you don't like than derail a thread over something inconsequential.

>>9706640
>>9706654
>>9706658
>>9706662
I seriously hope you're trolling. Or maybe from some weird, cold af Eastern European culture and experiencing culture shock a la typical Western humor. Because if not... wash the sand out of your cunt.

>>9706617
I hate Chinese Updates. It isn’t an update page at all but a SS with rude and whiny behavior. The culty WKing is so cringy, too.

>>9706666
I didn't ask for advice.
Nice quads.

>>9706691
You need to defend fucking cum jokes this much?
Dude, take your Daniel Tosh tier humor and go back to /tv/ or whatever board you are clearly from that isn't this one.

>>9706696
I'm not even the anon you were originally replying to, homegirl. I just think you're a bitch. And this is the only board where I lurk/post. Are you new? Yes, the board is mostly girls, but /cgl/ is not some super special singularity within 4chan where dick and cum jokes are suddenly super unfunny and uncalled for at all times.

>>9706703
Do you also enjoy Amy Schumer?
Christ. Why does this need to be a thing so badly? Why do you need to help some other anon defend cummies jokes?

Is it so hard to come up with anything else?

Important and time-sensitive question:
what awesome sellers/indie brands are having sales today?

>>9706711
https://store.lolitacollective.com/blogs/news/black-friday-deal-round-up-2017

>>9706658
lol that was my only semen-related post itt and I only did it because you made it way too easy. Chill out, friendo.

>>9706665
#bringbackmannequins2k18

Is it bad form to buy the same dress that someone in your comm has, but in a different colour?

>>9706888
does your comm consist of more than one person? if so, then who cares.

if not, then who cares.

>>9706617
some thing with a thai SS trying to plant fake reviews or something, idk. moving on...

>>9704739
the random butterfly is ruining it for me

>>9705736
If the scarf is mimicking hair, what is the point?

>>9706888
no, nobody cares about that. it is kind of weird to buy a carbon copy of somebody's entire wardrobe tho, cuts and colors included.
>tfw this is happening to me and it feels weird

>>9706904
Actually laughed out loud

>>9706888
No, it's not in bad form, buy what you like. It's not in bad form to turn up to a meetup wearing the same dress as another girl, either; if anything it's a nice surprise and often seen as "accidental twinning" which may later lead to actual twinning later, if you decide to plan it together.
It's only a bad thing if you knowingly copy someone else's style, as in copy one of their coords, because then you're not expressing yourself, just taking someone else's idea.

>>9706888
No, there's such a thing as having similar taste. Even buying the same cut and colorway isn't bad especially if the dress itself is rather common. If you're trying to copy their wardrobe exactly it's weird though.

>>9706710
Is it that hard to not be a cunt?

>>9706986
Guess so. Why else would I be posting, right?

>>9706916
Same goes for the Jewish women who wear wigs for modesty. Something about what is and is not real?

Does anyone know how long it takes for JetJ to ask you for a deposit after placing an order? I've been waiting for them to invoice me since Friday, but I haven't ordered direct from them before so I'm not sure what to expect.

Serious question, why is so much lolita stuff made with a huge waist size and tiny bust? Everyone memes on tiny Asians, so why are the standard waist sizes on blouses so big when the busts aren't? I have had to sell every brand blouse I've bought that didn't have shirring because even though the waist fit, the bust wouldn't close.

I just looked at j et j sizing since another anon mentioned them and their size 2 is so typical of dresses I've bought in the past, and they were a variety of brands including IW, Baby, and even a newer unshirred AP release. The size 2 j et j has a 83 cm waist but only 93 bust (my bust is 94 so it's close, but not close enough, and I don't like any of the current releases enough to custom order)

>>9707388
They assume you'll cinch the waist to fit with the corset lacing that's on most dresses/blouses. But it really stinks when they have none and the fabric at the waist pulls so far away from your body and they have lace placed in the princess seams.

>>9707388
Asian's tend to have a smaller bust to waist ratio. Although they might be still thin they tend not to have the hour glass figure with the tiny waist.

>>9706888
Lmao I’m only buying same prints as my rivals in my comm but in better colors and cuts cause they were too poor to buy the better ones. If I buy something that no one has it’s always some rare dress so they can be even more jelly of me.

>>9707552

>>9707552
"in better colors and cuts because they were too poor to buy the better ones"
i agree with all of the other petty anons but i don't understand this because people literally like different cuts/colors. there's hardly ever a universal "best colorway" of something.

that's just you being mildly retarded.

Dolly cross hospital OP review anon- sorry its taken a while! The quality of the dress has surprised me in a good way honestly. Ive seen a lot of people put off at the shiny look of the fabric but its really not that bad irl, more of a 'sheen' than a cheap shine. The lace is fine, its only used decoratively theres no trim on the dress appart of the ruffle at the bottom which is slightly more shiny, but again not awful. The print is pretty crisp, and the fabric is white on the other side which makes me wonder how well it hold up being washed. There are quit a lot of lose threads. All the buttons can be undone and there is a zipper on the side. The print is noticably lighter in the pink colourway, some details hardly show up.

The one thing that i did find dissapointing is the nurse hat, its cute but in the stock photo it is worn to the side, but its so big wearing it like that looks ridiculous. I guess the models angle makes it look smaller than it is. Its the same fabic as the dress layered twice with a bit of fabic in the middle of, so its pretty thin and flimsy. One side is a little smaller also. It takes a lot of playing around + pinning to make it look nice.

Overall I like the dress. For a taobao dress from a brand Id never heard of its pretty good for the price. Ill dump some photos now

>>9707715
See the difference between the colour ways, especially noticable in the pill crosses

>>9707718
Also wanted to mention that the black is more of very deep red

>>9707721
And the hat, hard to see but it is a little wonky.

>>9707724
thanks for the pics, I'm hoping to get it when it hopefully releases as stock ;-;

>>9707713
Quite retard yeah but you can definetely identify inferior colors when their resale value is much lower than others.

Why is Frances still on Lolita Sales and is it true that Richard is behind the Frances account?

>>9707852
This. Though generally it's the case of too fat to buy the better cuts.

>>9706888
No, how else can you twin.

>>9707855
no richard is not frances hes just an annoying drama hog

Very specific image request, I remember seeing a couple of years ago on tumblr a picture of a girl in 2010-era ott gothic, with big flossed hairstyle with (red?) flowers and I think a small crown as well. She was kneeling in front of a shelf in a convenience store, a shopping basket at her side and her friend took the photo. I was at the time dumb enough not to save/reblog/like the picture and I've been thinking about the hairstyle for years. Google couldn't help me, anyone who recognised what I described and have any pointers for usernames to search for or something?

>>9706904
>>9706918
>>9706957
Thanks anons, glad it's not a big deal at all.

>>9707889
Ha fair enough. Never thought about twinning being more of a spontaneous thing.

>>9707939
Forgot to add, her hair/wig was black and her clothes I think were solid black as well, maybe small accents of another colour

>>9707939
I remember it, but I cannot find it either. I seem to remember the girl having a bustle skirt/jsk, and I thought I knew who it was, but I just went back through their entire tumblr and didn't find it. There were some missing pictures however, so who knows.

>>9707978
>>9707939

On the right? You can find a proper version through google I’m sure, it’s kind of annoying on my phone or I would. The model is named Kassandra Leigh/ unseelie_allure

sort of a dumb question, but I've been out of the loop of lolita releases for about a year -- I think AP's Magic Princess is super cute, but I'm curious as to why it's resale value is so low? it seems like such a cute theme/print (mahou shoujo). Is the print not colorsafe? Do the cuts look weird in person? Or was it just not a popular release/went on sale?

thanks anons!

>>9708117

Anything from 2016 you can reasonably assume AP overproduced it and it went on sale. Magic Princess went as low as 10k yen on sale.

Probably didn't help that stock photos of some of the colourways looked a bit dim and dull. It almost looked like they designed yellow as their main dress and the others were added as afterthoughts.

The print doesn't run. The cuts are what they are (they don't sit wonky or anything, but one jsk was a bit military-looking and the other was a corset cut, probably a bit odd for a sweet print). The only thing is that there's glitter stars screenprinted on, so I guess you have to clean it carefully to preserve those as much as you can.

>>9708117
The underbust jsk tends to resell for around $200. The other cut is cheap because it looks awful on everyone.

>>9707852
>judging dresses off how much they cost
>not on how much you like them
lameass.

>>9708076
>Kassandra Leigh/ unseelie_allure
Well this brought back some carefully repressed memories.

>>9708286
Same my friend. Same.

>>9708076
Thank you anon! unseelie of all people though...

>>9708117
Simply wasn't popular. 2016 was not an easy year for AP, people were really picky and pastels weren't the groove.

>>9708208
Why are you responding to me?

>>9708126
I own the regular jsk cut and it looks fine on me. Maybe you just know fatties or ana-chans

Any news on Elizabeth - Bride of death re-release?
I thought they were gonna be sent out in November

>>9708355

Weren't those sent out months ago, or was there another release?

>>9708355
They are already in stock in the US. If you pre-ordered through the SF or NYC store, I would ask them about it. If you ordered directly from Baby it could be on its way or with customs.

>>9708357
There was a second release

>>9706640
Agreeing with you anon. Calling anything white "jizz" is low brow humour the likes of South park and family guy which cater to the dumbed down masses. I'd literally have told they girl who mentioned "cummies" to you to not be disgusting. I dont kink shame but i dont want your kink in my lolita thanks. I feel like all the people saying that not laughing like an ass at this kind of humour are the same kind that think doing drugs in lolita is also "lol so edgy"

Are there any good coordinates of people using mini tophats like this well in lolita?

>>9708418
it's impossible for a good coord with mini top hat to exist, thats why youre struggling to find pics of any

>>9708418
Watch Deka Wanko

>>9708415
Man you must really be butthurt if you feel the need to samefag a reply two days later

>>9708117
man what a missed opportunity for angelic pretty. they could have easily made really cute accessories to match that I'm sure people would've gobbled up. If they did something like a wand necklace, a cute tiara, or a special set with a matching scepter, I at least would've paid more attention to the release

>>9708482

I get the feeling they were trying to match what was trending in Japan, little indie artists were making cute things like these and they kind of took off in 2015-2016. AP probably figured they could provide a dress to wear with your indie accessories and not bother with a full set, since most of these artists only make accessories, not dresses.

Forgetting that half their buyers aren't even Japanese and therefore have no clue this trend was happening, of course. If someone hadn't posted asking how to buy caramel ribbon stuff in the resin thread I'd never even know this had been a trend.

When will lolita finally die?

Photo cringy af.

Shame on the Admins for closing the thread in RC. Didn't get the chance to reply.

>>9708527
Anyone have caps?

>>9708527
Any context for this atrocity?

>>9708547
Phillipino media outlet did an article on lolita, they essentially just butchered the definitions. It's old news anyway and op was being cringe, that's why the thread was closed iirc.

>>9708527
>all that bodyline

LMAO two RC threads closed in one day.

Another thread beating a dead horse on replicas.

>>9708808
Obviously it ain't dead if people still have opinions on it. It is also a subject that should be beaten to teach newbies a lesson.

>>9706640
I bet you watch Rick and Morty, don't you. Intellectual humor.

>>9708825
Replica threads are against the rules on RC.

>>9705049
Which cut do you prefer? I like the lace up but not sure about the print

>>9707855
Richard is Funk_brothers, you newfag.

>>9709082
This looks generic, like they got the fabric from some big box fabric store lmao

>>9709082

This is one of those times when I'm a little annoyed at the majority of lolitas apparently being online lolitas who chose their dresses based on looking good on camera, and don't seem to care what it looks like irl. AP's previous release with devore fabric was shadow dream carnival, but apparently enough girls complained that the print wasn't visible on camera that they re-released SDC with more contrasting overlays, and now we get this shit, white overlay on everything.

The fabric is beautiful on its own, but solid white snowflakes on the lavender and navy really does make it look like they were going for a Joann's quilting fabric aesthetic, ugh. Why couldn't they make a darker blue for the navy version at least.

>>9708415
You sound like fun anon. "Cummies" is hilarious.

>>9709113
>White overlay
They're snowflakes, any other colour would look ridiculous.

>>9709296

Snowflake motif. Any colour is fine.

>>9706640
I'm sick of these jokes too. I always wonder if /cgl/ follows the 18+ rule for posting on 4chan when things like this happen.

>>9709004
So?

What even AP

>>9709621
Asymmetry for the win!
I want more dresses with uneven features.

>>9709113
I own shadow dream carnival, and i discovered devore fabric with it: I was amazed by the patterns only being revealed by plays of light and shadow. But yeah, the most important thing is getting likes on CoF...

>>9709621
I kinda like this, but I wish it were a dark red instead of that tartan pattern and a jacket, not a dress.

Why do plus-size Lolita’s tend to buy/make salopettes? Don’t they see it looks bad on them? If they really love a certain piece or print so much, why don’t they get it altered on a way they get a skirt with a bigger waistband?

>>9709621
I made me think of Vivienne Westwood

>>9709710
because salopettes are often the cheaper cut, and people who let themselves go would rather buy something cheap than something that looks good on them

>>9707388
A lot more Asians are rectangle shaped.

>>9709113
>contrasting overlays
What are you talking about? SDC first and second release was the same?

I also love hidden details, but in this case I find it really beautiful that you can see the snowflakes, looks like the sky in the evening or at night

What's a reasonable price for an old brand accessory with no tag? Is there a risk a seller could accuse me of selling a fake? I'm confident it's a sample and not a design replica because I bought it from a Japanese seller three years ago, it's a pretty old/obscure design that was never re-released and I doubt was worth replicating, all the lace and notions are an exact match for the one on lolibrary, and I've seen other listings for the same accessory on auctions/fril that also looked identical.

Why is AP's Sissy Time so popular? It's awful.

I know they released Sissy Time last year. Then released Sissy Time this year with a new colorway. Now they're doing a MTO for Sissy Time.

>>9709760
maybe because chinese lolitas like it.

sorry you're too ugly to pull it off

>>9709621
Whew I love that fringe detail, it looks like you're wearing a curtain but in the BEST way

>>9708957
>I DONT WANT TO GET INTO THE REPLICA DEBATE THAT'S BEATING A DEAD HORSE
>But i'm gonna make a thread about it

>>9709760
>Sissy time
lmao that's the worst name possible

>>9709760
probably because sissies are buying it.

>>9709762
Not that anon but lol what? They were just asking why it was popular. It’s pretty basic to me too and has the most unfortunate AP name I’ve ever heard.

>>9709621
I would've liked it if they'd used a nicer tartan. This just looks cheap.

>>9709760
>>9709807
Ugh with every popular AP dress there is someone who finds the dress ugly and acts like everyone else is dumb and just buying it because it's popular.

Just don't buy the dress if you don't like it, nobody cares.

>>9709794
The dress is actually called Dressy Time. Sissy Time is just a popular nickname for it, like radioactive cupcake is for whip magic.

>>9709621
I'm kind of in love? This reminds me of something straight off the runway like >>9709714 said of Vivienne Westwood. Street style meets high fashion, I'm all about it.

>>9709621
Oh man I love it. Too bad I don't have that much lying around rn.

>>9709621
I kind of fucking love this.

Gulls I need advice please!

Bought a Holy Lantern jsk off Lacemarket, including tights.
It was listed as "Condition: Like New", and there was no damages indicated.

However, I received it with a multitude of damages:
- multiple stains on dress (luckily removed with tide to go)
- poorly replaced strap button, damaging inside lining (one of the buttons is clearly mistmatched, not an original button, and its really pulling the fabric from the inside with the poor stitching)
- loose threads everywhere
- stained tights
- gold print on tights lost color in feet area, turning green
Of course, none of these things were disclosed in the listing.

I sent the seller a polite message 4 days ago, and it's still "Unread". (She has like a ton of things listed on LM too, so I doubt she's just busy).
I suspect that they saw the email notification and is avoiding the message.

Should I file a paypal claim now or give it a few days?
Also I'm unsure of how much to dispute for... is like 25% reasonable?

>>9709997
25% seems reasonable. fixing the shitty button should only take you 5 minutes unless youre as retarded as she was replacing it, it seems like the only unfixable thing is the discoloured tights

>>9709997
How much did you pay for it? I'm picky and like to buy things in like new condition so I'd be really mad even if things were "fixable". Cleaning things and moving buttons does put stress in the fabric. What condition did she list it as?

>>9709725

First release was single colours, all four of them.

Second release has a sax x white colourway (and 3 single colours).

>>9709732

I have this issue with some Meta and IW lucky pack stuff, the accessories don't always have tags.

I usually clearly state that the item has no tags and that's that. Also take photos that show a lack of tags, I suppose. Name the series and put down the lolibrary link so buyers can check the details for themselves if they want to.

Although my case is a lot clearer because my untagged items are all from lucky packs, so I can confidently state they came directly from the brand's store, and I have photos of the entire lucky pack's contents, though no buyer has ever asked. I guess you can explain how it came from a a Japanese seller and the series is so old it was before replicas were cool or something like that.

>>9705736
all Muslims are degenerate goat fuckers who deserve a bullet to the head. If you like those filthy ragheads, go back to Tumblr and drink some hemlock you insipid bitch.

>>9709997
I say fuck em' and open up that PP claim

Their fault for lying and not including the true condition of the dress

>>9710093

Bruh. Keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>9710093
I feel like you don't know how much of a lefty Penn Jillette is.

>>9708465
I'm OP and I dont think kink shaming is a thing. I also don't think cummies is the epitome of comedy. There's way funnier shit and its not making the same tired joke on repeat.

>>9708850
Nope. In fact I don't watch any newer tv shows because they tend to be watered down garbage.

>>9709364
Rule breaking will never go away here. However I'm aloud to voice my opinion and so are you and enough people get tired of the joke because its truly played out - they'll eventually move onto some other meme

After all. Walnut took off.

>>9709997
Fuck them and claim 100%. You wouldnt have bought it if you knew. Unless it was suspiciously dirt cheap or something

>>9709997
File a claim and immediately call paypal to make a statement. It's not a dick move, just the right one.
Good luck.

>>9710071
i paid 325
it was listed as "Condition: Like New"
i wouldn't have paid so much if i knew the condition was so bad...

>>9710097
>>9710218
>>9710221
it was $325 for first release + tights which i think is a pretty normal price for HL
the seller also have decent feedback and is selling a ton of brand, so there was nothing particularly suspicious
thanks anons for the affirmation!
I initially wanted to just settle the problem with the seller over LM messages easily, but I guess since she ignored my message I gotta take the initiative...

>>9710226
Is it Recinerate?

>>9710230
Is that a username? If so, no.
Otherwise I don't know who you're talking about.

Also kind of unrelated, but completely my fault.
I left a glowing feedback for the seller... oops.
when I received it, I had really gross lighting and I hung it up right away after looking very quickly. I didn't notice until like 2 days later.
Lacemarket has told me that I can change my feedback though, but I will just work out the problem first before I change my feedback to whatever it has to be after this is all over.
Slap on the wrist and a good lesson learned, I guess. I am usually very trusting of sellers so I don't even think about it.

>>9709621
how does one get invited to laforet private parties

>>9709997
I'd go for 100%. The stains and the tights sound absolutely disgusting.

>>9710248
Unless that seller screencaps your feedback and uses it against you doing the claims.
Your call.

>>9710307
During*

Just saying though, it's what I'd do,

Can I complain about the recent infiltration of newbie retards in Rufflechat lately? One chick in particular is super annoying. Not sure how to best identify her without breaking a rule and getting banned but one of her initials is a V. She seems to be underage. I know many of us were idiot underage noobs at one point but goddamn, she keeps spilling her spaghetti all over the place. She posted a reply to a thread, deleted it, then reposted it because it didn't get enough attention the first time.

>>9710281
the stains on the tights aren't that bad, it's not like when someone wears socks so often that the soles get dirty from sweat. it's just strange discolorations, as if color (it's blue?) bled onto it.

>>9710307
i hope she doesn't browse cgl and see this...

>>9710041
oops I forgot to reply to this
I'm not really concerned about everything too much, I guess I'm mostly just disappointed about the seller's integrity. Like a lot of the stuff I can forgive, maybe she didn't look carefully. But there's no way she didn't notice the buttons, and she definitely should've mentioned it.

>>9710309
lol "I hate 4chan, they couldn't be more of a joke"

Fresh from Rufflechat.
Sorry to break it to you, but your "first lolita tattoo that you absolutely love" looks like shit.

>>9710308
The fuck you doing selling damaged stuff to people without telling them to begin with?

>>9710318
Oh no, that's really bad. Not even in the "lol cringe" way, I genuinely feel bad for her for having this terrible art embedded into her skin.

I'm thinking of joining some shitty service like Rev to do in my spare time to gain some burandobucks, has anyone done this before? What's the best one?

>>9710318
This is horrendous, I wonder what her coords look like

>>9710318
It’s so wonky. Everywhere I look, something’s crooked. This is a temporary tattoo, right? Right???

>>9710312
Can you post pics of the stains?

>>9710319
I would use buyer feedback against them in a claim anon, I wouldn't be a bad seller in the first place myself, but I'd definitely use someone else's idiocy against them if they were stupid enough to make it so easy.

>>9710275
Be someone worth spending more than two seconds with.

>>9710318
My god...
To be a fly on the wall for when her rose-colored glasses fall off and she realizes what an ugly tattoo that is.
I dig the idea, but the execution.... ergh....

>>9710275
Some brands post on their social media - ie spend x amount and get invite. Sometimes Laforet does random chance campaigns on LINE. Other shops you need to be a frequent customer.

>>9710360
Yeah, if someone left glowing feedback and only noticed stains several days later it's really easy to say that they must have made the stains themselves.

>>9710318
I wonder if she drew it, it seriously has that Learn 2 Draw Manga aesthetics..

>>9710348
she's got to be a newbie, she might have downs or autism (she's the short one)

>>9710371
>taking me back to darker days
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK ANON

>>9710318
>mfw she's in the local comm
she doesn't wear lolita yet afaik which makes this all the sadder

>>9710370
You got it anon, have a slightly unsettling internet hug as a reward.

>>9709710
What >>9709716 said. Plus I think they just have shitty taste and think salopettes make them look like tiny kawaii desu princesses or something.

Salopettes only look good on short, extremely thin, young (or young looking), extremely cute girls. Anybody who doesn't fit that criteria should never even consider wearing a salo unless they enjoy looking like a weird fetishist.

I don't think salo coords belong in lolita fashion communities or in lolita tags, even if they're brand. Salos aren't lolita.

>>9710318
This is why you research artists to see who's good at what you want. It's so sad bc this could have been a lovely piece.

>>9709710

Bigger waist measurements. Salos are often meant to be loose or sit at the hips, and quite often they actually look looser than skirts. Apparently once you hit a certain size, there’s so little clothing ever available to you, past that size fatties just buy clothes that they can squeeze into, and not clothes that actually look good.

There’s also the thing where a lot of them are aware they’re fat — and thinks everyone hates them for being fat. They might legit think all the negative comments thrown their way is because of their weight and not because they do genuinely look shitty. So they genuinely have no idea how shit they look, they just write it all down to “skinny girl privilege”.

The part that gets me is that if you can fit into an AP salo, there’s a bunch of other brands out there that will fit you much better while not making you look like an overstuffed pig in pastel giftwrap — Triple Fortune, Metamorphose, Physical Drop, EE. But no, the fatties don’t want these brands because they’re fat-girl brands. Apparently it appeals to their ego to look fat and ugly in some “skinny girl” brand that’s too small for them, rather than wear a “fat girl” brand that might actually look proportionate on them. Sometimes I really wonder whether there’s something wrong with their heads that makes them make horrible life choices or something.

>>9710435
None of the brands you mentioned have the status AP has, which I think a lot of people care about. There are multiple girls in my comm who would rather force themselves into or badly alter an AP dress than "downgrade" to a dress from a different brand that actually fits them. Any criticism is deflected as jelly poorfags hatin' because they don't have AP. Can't be that it always looks bad to wear something that clearly doesn't fit, naw, it's just them poors jelly of our burando~

wtf i bought something on the 8th and they just shipped it yesterday, the 30th.. they didn't read/respond both of my messages. i'm already prepared to give them negative feedback. might be neutral depending on the day i get it. i only figured out because i checked PayPal.

In a CoF thread the matter of Haenuli bodices being to long was discussed. As a tall lolita, I was wondering if the Sailor Serenity jsk/OP bodice was too long aswell?

Normal waist dresses always hit me few centimers above my waist.

>>9710318
Came here to see specifically this

This looks like something I’d draw in a middle school sketch books

>>9710472
you can see in the photos even, the bodice is a little longer than normal waist in starlight jsk. I'd go for it. the op was a little bigger on me than I liked, and I'm a marshmallow, but the jsk has corset lacing and should be fine.

>>9710488
>>9710472
plus you can always lengthen the straps if you need to

When will BTSSB update their website's layout? It's currently the ugliest and least user friendly of the major brand websites.

>>9710488
>>9710489
Thank you anons! I really want to step up my space coords

>>9710383
Gods this took it from unfortunate to downright tragic.

>>9710383
She's been to two meets already and also "hosted" one, anon, where have you been?

>>9710362
Oh hahaha you're so cool and snarky

>>9710600
Thank you

>>9710248
This is from a girl in NYC, right? From what I can tell from her feedback, she's notorious for not disclosing damages. I would change your feedback, and then file a PayPal claim. She deserves to get slammed for being a bad seller.

>>9710562
2 meets and then went straight for a tattoo huh?

>>9710665
>can't read the tone of a post
What a retard

>>9710856
Anon, are you stupid, because anyone with half a brain can see that they were purposely taking you literally

>>9708550
>>9708634
Looks like the coords were styled by that Philippine girl who always posts on CoF with questionable coords with Haori.

Their guide on lolita was so cringe.

>>9710517
I agree, but ordering from them is such a breeze compared to AP. I know that's a little off topic, but I just wanted to get that off of my chest.

>>9711004
What? In what way? I find it a pain to wait for invoicing when the item could sell out.

>>9711040
No tenso bullshit

>>9711046
Okay, but it's not like it's hard? You can choose another forwarding service too anon.

>>9711072
nyart but I think that anon meant they prefer not having to use a service at all and just getting things shipped to their door. I know I prefer baby for that reason, being able to reserve something and getting it the same day as everyone else despite not living in a country with a flagship store is fucking great.

>>9711078
I do prefer that too, but how well does that work for items that aren't on reserve? And I never see a point system with them either for your online account.

>>9711082
It works the same...You just order from Baby's website and they ship it to you; have you never ordered from them before?
Points aren't even relevant in this discussion

>>9711093
Yes? I have never ordered anything that would sell out quickly because I assumed they'd be too slow. Points are relevant as it's normally part of an ordering system. Why are you so defensive? I'm just asking.

>>9710358
It's really hard to see with the poor lighting, a lot of the stuff I just passed off as shadows when I first looked at it. There are the dark spots all over the tights, and I tried to circle the blue stuff but it's hard to see.
The stars you can see tho that it's completely lost the gold.

the stains on the dress were much worse, they were small and all over but like... orange?? looked like pasta sauce or smth


>>9710370
>>9710360
Naivety will kill me someday

>>9710719
Yes, it is.
After I submitted the claim she was very fast about replying to everything (what a coincidence right?).
I received the 25% as I asked for through the claim already, and all is well.
I already sent LM a message to change the feedback.

>>9711082
It's great, you just order and usually get it within the week depending on your country. Much better than waiting days for stuff to arrive at tenso and get cleared by them, then waiting for them to ship it out. The people that handle baby's overseas orders are great too, they usually get my payment and email me back instantly, a lot of the time they give me a tracking number in under an hour of getting my payment too and I get my stuff in 3 days tops.

Point systems are kinda redundant to me anyway, they never really amount to much overall and I tend to buy most of my new brand (that I don't reserve) during end of season sales, so nothing's really even eligible for points. Having said that I did get one of Baby's loyalty cards when I went to Japan last year which is a nice souvenir to have at least.

>>9710862
Who the fuck takes sarcasm literally on purpose who isn't a fucking retard trying their best not to look stupid?

>>9711135
I guess, but for me it's the same turnover as tenso. I use the points quite often, so having seen how much I build up just visiting in Japan, it'd be worth it to me. The time it takes for Baby to invoice is my worry for items that sell out quickly. Does anyone actually have experience with this? Their release schedule isn't as obvious as AP, so I generally miss the dresses I'm after that aren't a reserve.

>spoonie/chronic illness post on RC
the hell does this have to do with lolita again? maybe i'm just salty because i make a point of not advertising my mental/physical issues. why do people feel the need to discuss this with complete strangers like a badge of honor?

>>9711146
I think it really depends on your timezone. I'm 3-4 hours different to Japan so if I order something on say, a Friday night I'll usually get the stock confirmation email by Monday afternoon. Turnover for invoices is usually the next business day for me but if your time zone means you order in the middle of the night there it'll probably decrease your chances of getting what you want. If you order on the weekend it's kind of a gamble regardless of where you live though.

To answer your question about release schedules, I just wait to see other girls who reserved post their stuff on twitter and instagram. Unless a specific piece gets delayed due to high demand (which is usually specified on individual listings) it's a pretty good guide to see when new series about to go in stock. Then I'll check the site religiously until they come out and am usually pretty fast, but again the time zones probably work in my favour. The cuts/colours you choose also are a factor. I buy a lot of skirts which are unpopular so they never seem to sell out, but the nicer jsk cuts sometimes do or releases get delayed.

>>9709082
Im a bit confused over the times of these releases could someone tell me when this happens est?

Have a great ILD weekend, anons!

>>9711160
People are looking for a way to connect with others in a similar situation I guess, but I do agree that they're going on about it the wrong way. I've never broadcasted my personal problems to my comm and eventually found out that the good friends that I've made suffer from similar problems, and we support each other while keeping our personal, off-topic matters off the comm page.
Doing this within a comm is awkward enough, posting about it in an international page (where many people might not even be lolitas) is even worse. I mean, I understand wanting to find people you relate to but health issues are incredibly personal and imo best kept to conversations between friends.

>>9711175
You too, anon! Do you have any plans?

>>9711137
You're one of those people I've read about, I didn't think I'd ever get to see one in the wild!

>>9711178
Nayrt but yeah, I get this. I’m glad I have a few friends who deal with the same things I do so we each know what the other is going through and can support each other. We also got to know these things about each other once we were already friends, not by introducing ourselves like “hello I am Anon and I have Personal Issues”. There are a handful of girls in my comm who will tell anyone and everyone all about their personal problems right after meeting them and while I do have some stuff in common with them, I don’t trust them to keep it private if I did share with them. If they see no problem broadcasting their own details to complete strangers, how do I know they won’t tell everyone about mine? I don’t want to become an anecdote. That entire RC thread is like a list of people I now know to be careful around.

>>9711212
You know because they aren't talking about the issues of their friends

secrets

>>9711099
You're the one who seems defensive; you literally asked
> how well does that work for items that aren't on reserve?
And then brought up a point system. Sorry people don't prefer precious AP's system.

>>9711137
People who are mocking you, who is being stupid.

>>9711350
are secrets still a thing?

>>9711192
Our comm met and browsed a local market and had some tea together! It was great.

>>9710318
>tfw want to make fun of cringy people in lolita facebook groups
>tfw dont want to be banned

>>9711395
Just go rant on RC:U

>>9711379
You realize sarcasm is mocking someone, right?

>>9711270
This. I didn't have a problem talking about my hellish upbringing which includes my dad being a pedo until I realized that people can't be bothered to care and would rather talk about normie garbage instead of things that are actually interesting. I never talked about anyone else's life and if I did- I didn't mention their name.

And I just mean things that do come up in conversation. Like "oh I know someone who got into a car accident" but that's too real and sad and I guess meets are only for talking about fucking eyelashes and the best kind of scone.

>>9711507
let's be real though, who wants to go to a meet and hear about sad things like car crashes and pedophiles? i'm so sorry and i sympathize with you but things like that should be discussed only with those who are willing.

and don't get me wrong, i was brutally raped and nearly beaten to death a few months ago. but none of my lolita acquaintances know because why the hell would i tell them or bring it up? i'm not just going to interject into a pleasant conversation about new releases with my awful story. different friends and different communities for different purposes. as hard as it is, that's how it is.

>>9711507
Why would you divulge such personal information at a meetup? Don't you think that "My dad was a pedophile" is kind of a heavy subject to talk about over tea?
>I guess meets are only for talking about fucking eyelashes and the best kind of scone.
Unless you're meeting a group of your close friends, yeah, that's kind of the point of meets. You're meeting up with other girls based on a common interest in fashion, talking about your tragic past with people you barely know is terrible etiquette.

>>9711507
Have you considered that maybe there are other people at the meet who are victims of child sexual abuse who go to lolita meetups to have fun, and don’t enjoy having all that shit dredged up again?

>>9711507
>>9711515
>>9711519
I prefer to talk about personal things. I hate smalltalk and it's one of the reasons I don't go to meets unless my friends go. It's so boring to just talk about anime and clothes all the time. I don't even watch anime. I'm also happy to share things about myself and don't care about taboos but I would never talk about something someone else told me.

>>9711530
Wow you sound like a blast to hang out with.

>>9711533
Just because you enjoy shallow conversation doesn't mean everyone else should

>>9711537
No wonder some anons in the comm thread complain about girls oversharing at meetups.
I'll say it again because apparently you're too self centered to understand this: Talking about your terrible life experiences, having no sense of social etiquette and not caring about social taboos when socializing with people you barely know makes for terrible interactions. Something tells me your comm doesn't enjoy your company much, either.

>>9711530
this is definitely a "you" issue and not an "everybody else" issue. the fact that you don't care about making other abuse victims uncomfortable shows your character.

>>9711538
Read my comment again. I don't go to meets if my friends don't go, because I get bored of the shallow smalltalk there. Obviously I have tried to join in with their conversation and decided it just wasn't worth my time anymore. If someone started talking to me about something 'taboo' like their mental health, abortion or politics, I would go to meets by myself more often.

>>9711538
I totally agree. Like many of you I have had my share of hardships but bringing it up at a fun meet with people I am not super good friends with seems so tactless. I have some lolita friends who do know, but only bc we hang out and get serious outside of meets. Imo lolita meets are for talking about the clothing and the lifestyle and fun, superficial shit. I don't want to go to hear someone talk about how their brother raped them when they were seven. Tell your therapist or tell people when you get closer to them outside of meets.

>>9711543
lmao it's a fashion community, not a self help group. join group therapy or make friends if you want to talk about stuff like that.

>>9711546
I'm sorry I called you boring and shallow

>>9711530
>>9711537
>>9711538
Anti-smalltalk anon, do you consider your entire comm to be close friends to you? If not, your personal conversation topics can be extremely alienating, because of the expectation of reciprocation. When you share something personal, there's an inherent expectation (even though you don't perceive it) felt by the listener to share just as much information about themselves, and for most people, you don't do that when you first meet someone, or if that person is not close and trusted. I wouldn't be okay hearing about your awful personal history, I wouldn't want to share negative personal things until they become socially relevant and necessary. I'll absolutely talk about an experience that I had with a recipe gone awry or a mishap with a dress, but I'm not going to tell you about how I was sexually harassed or how I got a nasty text from a parent begging for money, that's not fair to you.
I'm all for small talk until I'm closer to someone. It's way easier to scratch the surface by asking about trivial interests so that I can maybe find one or two common interests to discuss for a while, and then maybe start talking about less socially frictionless topics.

Just because you enjoy making people uncomfortable doesn't mean everyone else should.

>>9711552
I don't know why y'all are assuming I talk about awful shit all the time. I was just saying I would prefer it if people did talk about personal stuff in my comm.

>>9711556
I think it's just bc that's what was brought up (traumatic experiences). There's nothing wrong with talking about your daily life and what you do outside of lolita. Like, I enjoy hearing about work or school or books or films or events that don't relate to the fashion. I think these are good topics.

>>9711543
>>9711556
>If someone started talking to me about something 'taboo' like their mental health, abortion or politics, I would go to meets by myself more often.

Mental health, abortions, and politics are incredibly alienating and deeply personal opinion topics. I think you need to dial back your expectations.

>>9711562
I was making a comparison to that because people were complaining about talking about diseases and mental health. My comm only talks about anime and clothes. Talking about lolita is nice for a while but not for 3 hours with someone you've met a dozen times and already know she has a different taste than you. It's not even taboo to talk about politics in my country, normal people love talking about it.

>>9711548
>boring and shallow
no, i just know how to operate in different social situations despite all of the terrible shit that's happened to me. you should take a cue from what people are saying here.

>>9711574
Funny you're using the terrible shit that's happened to you to give your opinion more weight

>>9709082
This really sold out? These releases are surprising me lately. This one was super basic looking and had a really generic print.

>>9711530
>I don't go to meets unless my friends go
Good.

>>9711376
You're reading too much into it anon. I was genuinely asking how well it worked because I would buy new releases from Baby if it was faster. But no one seems to know.

>>9711578
>when you know you're wrong so you sink to this
>not knowing there's a difference between mentioning it over anon and forcing it on people irl
it's okay anon, you'll learn how to socialize one day.

>>9711641
>finding shallow smalltalk boring means you must force people to listen to the most horrible personal stuff
I'm actually healthy and nothing especially bad has ever happened to me

>>9711652
then where do you fit into this conversation again? no1curr

>>9708506
This literally makes no sense. I could be biased because I actually love the print and those types of accessories but even if these accessories aren't popular in the West, doesn't mean they aren't cute. Good for people like me who like the print and snag it for a good price.

>>9711516
Well what the fuck am I supposed to say when everyone asks me why I'm not going home for Christmas to see my dad? Because its rude to say he's a pedo- that is the impression I've been given by most people. Not just Lolitas.

>>9711567
People love talking politics in my comm too! I never shut them down but extreme topics like a death in the family is just too much? Its mind boggling where everyone draws the line. And sometimes you don't get to find out where people draw the line until its too late and they feel awkward.

But lets be real. Feeling awkward at a tea party isn't the worst thing in the world. Maybe that's why I find it hard to have sympathy for people who can't handle hearing things they don't want to.

>>9711544
>lolita meets are for talking about the clothing and the lifestyle and fun, superficial shit.
The meets I go to are for discussing shitty normie Netflix sitcoms and memes from fb and reminiscing about being emo in high school
Its not even that they're superficial, they're just boring and god forbid anyone mention something out of the ordinary

>>9711917
Just fucking say you don't have a good relationship with your parents and prefer not to spend time with them you retard WTF. There's being real and there's oversharing because you don't know how to keep the lid on your goddamn spaghetti. I don't know the social etiquette of the country or area you live in but there's some things that are just awkward to talk about. If a close comm member/friend said something like that to me maybe I wouldn't feel awkward but if a stranger or someone that I only share like, one interest in with said that to me I'd definitely feel a little uncomfortable; it's information I don't care to know about if I don't know you well, even if it is an honest answer. Sorry, but that's the truth.

My mother has a lot of mental issues that she takes out on me and my father, but when acquaintances I don't know well ask about her I don't go into detail about her batshit antics, the odd behavior she has, the strange things she says to me, the screaming matches she and I get into, because no one gives a shit. All I have to say is "Oh, my mother and I don't have a good relationship" and people understand.

There's a difference between talking about serious topics and oversharing personal information best left for people you have a closer rapport with.

>>9711582
Agreed, I wonder if they are producing less. I was so upset about missing out on the Kronos print, that went so fast

>>9711923
>Just fucking say you don't have a good relationship with your parents and prefer not to spend time with them you retard WTF.
That's what I do or I just say I can't talk about it because I literally can't talk about it because assholes like you exist.

I'm just venting about how I can't just talk about myself normally. I think people should be allowed to talk about themselves. Sorry the fucking pearl clutchers can't handle it.

>>9711458
You realize you can mock someone who is using sarcasm right? It's not a one way street, retard.

>>9711956
It's just tactless to talk about such personal shit with people you aren't close to, who don't love you and empathize with you like a friend or family member. You probably end up coming across as an edgelord who uses every opportunity possible to talk about themselves in way too much detail. Like "oh you think your shit sucks? MY life is WAY worse, listen to this" and then the conversation is either derailed to being all about you with people you aren't even close to, or the conversation dies because you are talking to people who cannot relate and have no goddamn idea what to say. Yeah smalltalk is boring and vapid as fuck but that doesn't mean that in order to have meaningful interactions with other people you need to talk about that miscarriage you had at 17 that made you miss out on going to MIT (an example of a real story overshared with me from someone I had spent like 4 hours total interacting with).

>>9705715
This is what happens when all the noobs think the single most important part of lolita is wearing a petticoat. They would literally rather wear trash than just go without one.

I can only imagine the sound that makes when she walks.

>>9711956
NYART but its not that anyone cant handle it, its just that we'd rather not. Sure, I'm not going to get offended or disgusted by someone oversharing but I wish they just wouldn't fucking do it, because frankly I dont really care and it upsets the atmosphere. Unless it *actually* comes up in conversation, and I mean your conversation genuinely and organically becomes deep and meaningful - then just dont fucking say it. We don't want your snowflake ass at tea trying to be so ~unique~ and ~edgy~ by overly sarcastically blurting out "yeah well I WOULD visit my father for christmas if he weren't a PEDOPHILE" to anyone within earshot, so please just save it.

>>9712067
Yeah I wish they would value quality as much as they value petticoats

>>9711850

>This makes no sense
>What're you talking
>Good for me

lol okay.

>>9711956
>pearl clutchers

Please, get over yourself.

You're going to go to meets and be an autist to everyone there, and you're gonna why these horrible stuck-up bitches don't want to have ~honest~ conversations, thinking there's something wrong with them - but I promise, it's not them, it's you. And it's not because they can't handle it, or because they're too scared to talk about things like this, it's because they don't give a shit when it's coming from someone they don't care about on the same level as a good friend or close family member. No one wants to be forced to handle a person they barely know's personal baggage, and oversharing does exactly that with people who, first off, probably don't even deserve or have the privilege of needing to know the information you're trying to share, and second, simply do not want to put the emotional labor in to care.

That's truth, friendo, and I'm sorry if it upsets you, but if you actually want to make friends in your comm this is how it's going to work; that's simply how this socializing shit works. I'm not even saying that "my dad is a pedophile" is something that should never be talked about ever, but it's a conversation piece that is something that the majority of people don't want to just casually talk about with someone they don't know well.

>>9712053
>You probably end up coming across as an edgelord who uses every opportunity possible to talk about themselves in way too much detail.
Did you not see my comment? I don't actually bring the stuff up. No one in my comm even knows who I am. But the annoying part is they can't know who I am. I can't make friends in my comm because no one can ever know about my fucking life. That's why I'm pissed.

Because lolita is all about having "etiquette" and being lovely all the time.

>>9712128
>We don't want your snowflake ass at tea trying to be so ~unique~ and ~edgy~ by overly sarcastically blurting out "yeah well I WOULD visit my father for christmas if he weren't a PEDOPHILE" to anyone within earshot, so please just save it.
See, you're the kind of person I'd never even want to talk to. Being a victim of something that will literally ruin your life is not exactly relatable and it freaks people out. When people ask me what I'm doing for the holidays, I just say I'm spending it with my boyfriend but then everyone talks about their family.

Do you have any idea how awkward it is to go to a fucking high quality Japanese nail salon and not being able to explain to the nice Japanese lady why I can't talk to my family? I don't get my fucking nails done anymore because of it. It literally just makes my life sad and no one wants to bother with me because I'm weird and I mysteriously can't say why I don't talk to my family because everyone else and their precious fucking ears.

>>9712788
>You're going to go to meets and be an autist to everyone there
Except I don't. I just wish I could talk about my life without it being fucking awful for other people. And no, I will not get over it. It is something that effects every part of my life. Do you have any idea how hard it is during a job interview? No, you do not. You only care about social behaviors and how to act appropros. I might as well just lie to everyone I meet to not seem like a retard.

>>9712917
>Because lolita is all about having "etiquette" and being lovely all the time.

Literally no one said this. This has to do with social cues which will affect comm life by default just for the fact that it's a goddamn social group. You're right, I do care about social behaviors, because we're all humans that have grown up with cultures and social norms.

This will sound like I'm being mean or sarcastic but it's a legitimate question, but do you see a therapist ? I get that something like this is will undeniably be apart of your life but you're nitpicking ways to get angry that you can't just talk about it. Why is it that you feel you need to be able to talk about it with others so much? What is it that you're trying to get out of sharing this with people, especially strangers? What is it that you're looking for out of being this honest with strangers who likely will not even be sure how to respond? Even just the fact that you're getting this upset over it on an anonymous message board - why? What exactly is it that you are trying to gain, and is it worth doing within the scenarios that you're talking about on here? I'm not asking you to answer these questions, but they're something you may want to think about. If it's because you're trying to come to terms with yourself, forcing other strangers to help you carry this baggage (and that's exactly what it feels like when someone you don't know well enough tells you deeply personal information unexpectedly) isn't going to work if they don't want to hold it in the first place. Someone else like a therapist is going to be more suited to helping you work through that.

No one is telling you to lie about your life. I'm not sure why this is hard for you to understand. It's ~inappropriate~ for you to talk about with *people you don't know very well* in the same way that I might be comfortable talking about my sexual habits or the nasty shit I took on the toilet with my friends, but not my coworkers.

>>9712969
You sound out of touch with the world lol. Maybe you were projecting when you assumed the other anons have no friends just because they don't enjoy smalltalk. Irl people ask you about your family all the time, especially about your parents. Even if you give a vague answer like "oh I'm not that close with my parents" and "I'm spending it with my boyfriends family" they will ask about it again, or act like they're also not close to their family because their mom washed something wrong, and then they expect you to find that so relatable. The only way to fit in and not make people uncomfortable is to lie desu.

>>9713129
I'm not the anon that said that but either way, I don't know where you live but people definitely don't ask me about my family enough to warrant me telling them the full detail if my crappy relationship with them. Not even my religious trad family oriented manager. You're really just making up excuses to be mad at this point.

>>9712969
>because we're all humans that have grown up with cultures and social norms.
I don't know where you live but where I live it's ridiculous because everyone grows up with different backgrounds but only some backgrounds are ok to talk about. Hence why this subject pisses me the fuck off.

I've seen a few therapists and they all just push drugs. I gave up after the third one. I also have two friends who are psychologists who I have slowly lost touch with because we have less and less in common these days. Plus one of them was working to rehabilitate young boys who have sexually assaulted someone (or more) in the past.

I've never felt baggage from people telling me their personal stuff. I don't know what that mentality is. Sorry.

Like >>9713129
said - a lot of normies love to talk about family and what people do for the holidays and a lot of normies don't understand why someone wouldn't be speaking with their family - but here I am, I can't explain it because the poor normie will have the same fucking awful reaction you seem to be having.

>No one is telling you to lie about your life.
Except I still have to because it's my only option. Anon. I don't get my fucking nails done anymore because the lovely Japanese woman didn't understand why I can't talk to my family and I couldn't tell her why. She's like the best fucking nail artist but it's too fucking awkward.

Please understand why I would be livid with having to deal with people like you all the fucking time.

>>9713592
lmao sounds like you're literally fucking autistic because you can't put your feelings aside that not everyone will understand or give a shit that you have problems in life. People don't exactly like to bring negativity into their lives unless they're fucking doormats with helper syndrome. Get over yourself and be happy with the small group of friends you do have that you can talk about the heavy stuff with and lighten the fuck up.