/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

reposting some scans
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I believe there are 1-2 more pages but I can't find them
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I can't believe we've made it this far into the thread without seagulls screaming and/or trying to invalidate soft Lolita as a thing. How pleasant.
Have they given up and accepted it?

>>9705029
(You)

>>9705119

isn't this just Otome...? or is "soft lolita" just what we're calling it these days?

>>9705029

I just don't like the aesthetic of soft Lolita. It looks like a toned down sugary sweet Lolita and that's not the aesthetic I was going for with "otome." However inaccurate that term may be, the quirky, quasi vintage style describes what I dress and what I aspire too than throwing on a full set from Leur Getter. That's all.

>>9705362
otome kei isnt a thing in japan but yes its the same thing

Where did western Lolitas get the name from if Otome is not used in Japan?

>>9705630
I guess translator fucked up, translating "girly", which can be said about lolita, as an invented name.

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>>9705635
Is right, plus there’s a tendency for the Western comm to jump on Japanese terms and deem them an entirely new substyle. When I started there were guides that detailed gothic, classic, sweet etc. but then also claimed that shiro, kuro, ao/sax, pinku etc. were full substyles in their own right because some Japanese girls who appeared in street snaps would describe their style as “pinku lolita”, when really all they were saying is that they were wearing a lolita coord in all pink. Otome probably came from Japanese women describing their style as girly and some people then decided to categorise that as an entirely separate style with specific rules.

>>9705630
Takemoto Novala used it for his essays

>>9705368
I think that's because Misako is a sweet lolita herself.

>>9705698
See >>9705635 and >>9705648

>>9705029
Wtf is soft lolita

The same things get said every thread about the name origins. These discussions always devolve into people squabbling. No one ever changes anyone's idea of it in the end. It's better to check the archive if you are genuinely curious about learning more.

If you still want to discuss, at least post a picture to contribute to the thread?

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Misako also talks about soft lolita in this interview: https://matcha-jp.com/en/280

>I often think it is difficult to wear Lolita fashion because my other job is nursing. So I can't wear Lolita clothes when I work as a nurse, and I also don't have enough time to complete my ideal Lolita fashion collection. Although, know that there are a number of girls who want to enjoy Lolita fashion 365 days a year, so I suggested the girlie and romantic "Soft Lolita", which is a more casual Lolita fashion option. A good example of this can be seen in "LARME".

A lot of lolitas like Larme because it's very feminine, but they don't like the nymphet, sometimes sexy aspect of it. When Rosemarie Seoir attends lolita events they show coords like pic related. I guess that's what Misako means as soft lolita in Larme. It's more about the girly aesthetic and doesn't have to abide to the rules of lolita because it's not true lolita fashion, but it shouldn't be revealing or sexy either.

i wear very stereotypical old school sweet / on the verge of 2006 style sweet-leaving old school era type lolita
i have a christmas party coming up with my boyfriends work and he said he doesnt care what i wear because hell never feel embarrassed
can someone help me coord old school sweet in a soft lolita way? im super stressed about it because even though he says its okay no matter what i still worry so much! i just want him to think im beautiful and not be embarrassed by his all male coworkers (construction type workers)

>>9706595
If you're so worried about other people's opinions why do you just wear a normie outfit and save yourself the stress?

>>9706600
i have nothing really fancy. out of lolita im in work uniform and pajamas always
im planning on looking at a mall today for a normal people dress but i hate mall clothes, theyre so bland and sad

>>9706595
It would be easier to help you knowing what you have in your wardrobe but it shouldn't be too hard if you wear primarily old school.
If you have anything in black (black/black preferred to black/white), or muted tones, that's your best choice, otherwise try to pick something with as little lace and ruffles as you can. Floral prints are okay too.
Pick a cardigan or a bolero without too many embellishments (a small logo like Baby's embroidery is fine, but I'd avoid anything that says "Baby") - Wearing something on top of a JSK instead of a blouse underneath helps tone down the look a lot - And add a cute necklace with a small pendant to add some interest that may be lacking without a blouse's frilly collar.
OTKs that are long enough to not show under your dress are great, or if you have any doubts, go with tights instead.
If you have any plain heels that still look good with your coords now is the time to break them out, be sure to avoid anything with huge platforms or bows.
For hair accessories I'd pick a small hair clip, bows are okay as long as they're not too big and frilly but if you have a flower hair clip it might be better, or maybe something like pic related because looks more like jewelry for your hair than an actual ribbon that may be perceived as childish.
Good luck, anon, I hope this helped a bit!

I really like this trend, since nowadays I feel a little "left out" in the surge of OTT coords that I see every meeting. My question is, can we be soft while being gothic?

>>9706646
Of course you can. The way I see it, creating a toned down look is much easier than making it OTT; sure it depends on what you have in your wardrobe, if you've collected flashy, extravagant pieces with the intention of only wearing them at events you might have some problems, but otherwise I don't see why you'd have issues creating a more casual look with gothic.

>>9706649
Thank you for answering! I guess it might be easier to get into soft lolita if I focus on non-printed (or, at least, discreet prints) pieces for now. I'll search more, thanks!

>>9706646
I feel like most MMM dresses, particularly OPs, lend themselves to soft lolita very well, because they look nice and elegant even with minimal accessorising. They’re not like OTT AP or Baby OPs where you always need an interesting wig/ headpiece and legwear to balance them out.

Some Victorian Maiden coords that might fit into this category.

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Interesting, I have lolita dresses/blouses and a petti I made, doesn't have a lot of puff, never liked or got into those full coords with boleros and lots of rings, bonnets, veils, makeups and all those things.
I just like to wear a frilly dresses, with a frilly blouse, cute socks and some nice shoes. Never called myself a lolita.
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>>9706678
Are these lolita? It's the style I wear.

>>9706595
I'm going to reiterate/add on to what >>9706642 said:

some of the cutest things about old school can also be the most jarring to normies. Keep peter pan collars on the smaller side. A nice cutsew would be great if you have one. Avoid bonnets, rectangular headdresses, or huge bows, go with something more subtle. Tights rather than kneesocks. Not as much of an issue in sweet, but big platforms always stand out to me, so maybe a plainer mary jane or something might be nice. Muted colours instead of something like pink or sax.

>>9706702
They are, but you should be careful before you label your coords as lolita if you're unsure of it. Not all lolita is OTT, but not every frilly dress is lolita.

So the point of soft lolita is that it's not actual lolita

>>9710430
It's just toned down, easy-to-wear casual lolita rebranded with a term that Misako coined.

>>9710431
Does >>9705000 look like lolita to you?

I prefer the term otome kei. It doesn't have the word lolita in it and it's easier to explain it's a Japanese fashion. If otome kei is just an out of date way of saying girly style, and Takemoto used it for lolitas, I don't see why we can't use it for lolita fashion now too.

>>9710443
otome kei can have pants though so its more like a toned down term for egl in general, while soft lolita meaning the same thing is only to do with lolitas

Forgive me for my ignorance, but a lot of this looks like what I thought otome fashion was?

>>9711097

It is, but now Misako has coined the word soft lolita, apparently we all have to listen to what she says as word of god and follow her.

>>9711074
I know what otome kei means on cgl, I just don't care

>>9711097
Otome kei is just the 90s way of saying girly style. It's not anything specific.

>>9711097
Otome kei is just the 90s way of saying girly style. It's not anything specific.

Do any of you wear a style that is inspired by lolita but is not lolita? Like, wearing things from lolita brands, but not a lolita coord. I wish there was a name for that. I think a lot of girls in my comm wear their brand casually, but don't tag it with lolita because it's not.

>>9714191
This used to be called a la mode.

>>9714195
I know. I just wish there was a more current term for it because I'd love to see more coords like that. It'd be pretty weird to call those coords a la mode in my country. Maybe a Japanese word works better because it's jfashion.

>>9714206
i do this too, i didnt know it was called a la mode. i usually just tag the brand names and not lolita fashion

>>9714393
It's not called a la mode, that's just the name of dead lj comm

>>9714805
Which was named after a magazine that was mostly known for its quirky and unconventional brand coords.

>>9714815
That was Alice deco a la mode. Just calling your coords a la mode is weird, especially if you live in a country where people might have learned french or another latin language. If you want a label for lolita brand coords that aren't lolita, it's better to come up with something else (that doesn't have lolita in the name like soft lolita)

>>9714818
>lolita brand coords that aren't lolita
I wish this was called otome kei

>>9710441
The "rules" of lolita are less hard and fast in Japan. You are more likely to petti-less coords labeled "lolita", as it's more about the aesthetic and feel of a coord than a checklist of items to wear. Soft lolita, otome-kei, casual lolita... these are all considered to be lolita in a way, even when they don't have the necessary silhouette, because they have the right aesthetic. Think of these casual styles like himekaji to hime-gyaru. They aren't the same, but they are a casual style with a similar feel.

>>9714818
>never having heard the phrase "a la mode"
jesus, I can't tell if I feel old or if this is just a lot of new

>>9714851
??? People speak French in my country and I own two volumes of the magazine. It's weird to call >>9714191 "a la mode"

>>9714860
It is, but you act like its a term this person just invented because they like the sound of it. "A la mode" is ages old in the western comm, dumb name or no

>>9714863
And it comes from the magazine alice deco a la mode, what's your point?

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>>9714863
The lj comm was named after the magazine, but it was called Daily Ala Mode. They didn't call their coords a la mode.

>>9714206
Alice Deco would actually be a cute term for it.

>>9714847
The way Misako explains the style it doesn't sound like she considers it normal lolita fashion, but more like a stepping stone to become a lolita.

>>9711155
Of course she just HAD to keep the word "lolita" in it too. Thanks a lot Misako.

>>9714868
what's your point?

>>9714805 is not correct, people used it as a term to describe a way of dressing. And telling them >>9714818 means nothing, since they are just stating that this was a term the comm. used to use here >>9714195.

No one is stopping you from calling it something else (it is a dumb name) but don't try to dispute facts.

>>9714880
Who is using it?

>à la mode
>fashionable; in the US it also describes a dessert with ice cream (as in "apple pie à la mode") or, in some US regions, with cheese. In French, it mainly means "fashionable", "trendy", but is occasionally a culinary term usually meaning something cooked with carrots and onions (as in bœuf à la mode). It can also mean "in the style or manner [of]"[57] (as in tripes à la mode de Caen), and in this acceptation is similar to the shorter expression "à la".

>>9714876

I'd hate to jump on the ageplay meme, but soft lolita is not something I can exactly broadcast to my coworkers without invoking weird images. So I'll just keep saying vintage inspired until someone less dead in the brain and as influential comes up with a different name.

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>>9714876
Maybe because it doesn't have the agaplay connotation to her surroundings and she spends half her life promoting lolita