/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>Anons show no Mercy for sandbaggers
kek'd.
Glad to see the discussion is now going through the community without talking about individuals but about the principle and that it may be taken up to/with cons to see if they can look at their rules. Improving the community slowly.

>>9703250
Same

Not sure if this is the best place to ask but here goes: I'm looking to buy a steel-boned, plain corset to wear under clothes, costumes etc. and am wondering where to get one. Off the rack corsets tend to be lower quality and often don't fit properly, and I don't know any good commissioners. Most people I've found through google only have pictures on their page of heavily decorated corsets, which isn't what I'm looking for, and all the ruffles and lace can make it hard to see if the base is well-constructed or not. Does anyone itt have any recommendations?

>>9703250
The only one I can think of is Linny la vanté. She is pretty good with corsets, maybe you can ask her?

>>9703272
Bizarre Design/Jeroen van der Klis.
Huge name in the corset/fetish world.
Not the cheapest and you probably get on a waiting list. But goddamn, his corsets are drop dead gorgeous.

>>9703274
But will she help me put it on backstage, though?

>>9703250
>>9703253
Agreed. She now knows damned well that what she did was wrong and received plenty of explanation on the how and why. From here on it's up to her to decide what she does with this knowledge the future; show some dignity and live by the code, or ignore it and accept the consequences.
In the meantime this situation made it clear that while all of this is common knowledge to those who compete at higher levels or have been around for a while, there are still plenty of people who never heard of it. The more exposure the subject of sandbagging gets, the more people will learn about it and discus it. Hopefully in the end this will allow others to prevent similar situations in the future and wake up the organisers of cosplay competitions about the importance of fair play and proper sportsmanship.

Also to anyone looking for a change, I'd highly suggest sending an email to both DCC and TCC (as they organised the compo) on this subject. The more direct complaints they'll receive, the higher the odds will be of it being a subject during their evaluation of this edition of DCC. Just make sure to keep it formal and leave out any name calling or silly demands.

I love it how the video begins with a lot of cosplayers dramaticaly looking up and then there's this. Our best dutch cosplayer doing gods knows what

>>9703316
Is she sneezing?

>>9703317
She keeps waving her hands in the video; you're correct. She's about to sneeze.

>>9703316
>best dutch cosplayer
>has never won any noteworthy compo
>anon means 'most 'liked on FB' Dutch cosplayer

There.

>>9703349
Our dear kimu sama, our best cosplay buying, likes faking and fund raising hero

I was wondering what you all think of camera crews on conventions.
They have been giving nothing but drama both in the past and present. I can also imagine they most have made some people feel uncomfortabel, maybe even unsafe, in a place that is suposed to be their safe heaven. (Mostly thinking about Spuiten&Slikken and their pushy style of interviewing.) Don’t you think conventions should refuse camera crews in order to protect their visitors/fellow cosplay fanatics?

I was just wondering. I personally haven’t been at a convention in ages, but I was thinking about maybe attending one again soon. I just really don’t want to be at a convention and have a microphone pushed in my face for entertaining television.

>>9703301
Afaik she also wants to compete with mercy at the actual contest she won the preliminaries for.

>>9703391
I believe a lot of organisations are already repelling camera crews such as powned.

>>9703316
source?

>>9703405
Let's stop talking about individuals now. I mean the conversation has moved on to the 'problem' itself and how it's being seen and handled, rather than just blaming people all the time.

>>9703391
I believe a lot of people in the Dutch community should grow a thicker skin and stop being so easily offended about everything. Items such as the ones from RTL Boulevard, Chantal and Spuiten en Slikken are made to entertain, not to inform. They aren’t trying to sell “the truth about cosplay”, instead they simply taking a few cheap shots at the expense of our quirky hobby. Just lighten up, learn not to take these items too serious and maybe even laugh at your own silliness every now and then. It’s exactly those who take things too serious who end up in these videos and for a damned good reason; they’re an easy prey. Just look at Mr Performance Art if you need an example of what I mean.

Also, keep in mind it’s not just commercial broadcasters who are present at conventions. Regional broadcasters are often present at conventions and they tend to make short informative items. Sure, they’ll often still compare it to carnival, but that’s to give their viewers who have never heard about cosplay something to compare it to. Newspapers also visit cons and release articles with photographs afterwards, and you also have plenty of vloggers who create anything ranging from pure cringe to pure awesomeness.

As for the question ‘should conventions ban (specific) camera crews’, I’d say that is up to their PR team to decide. Of course it would be a wise thing to do considering these items are a form of bad press and negatively affects a convention's reputation. But just remember, you aren’t forced to talk to anyone and you can always avoid them or walk away. Cameras (both video and photo) are everywhere at conventions, if you’re too afraid being caught on one in a unflattering pose you might as well stay at home with your curtains closed.

>>9703437
extreme moments facebook page 1st video

>>9703579
I can't believe they put her almost sneezing in that video lol

>>9703391
Personally, I think they should ban 'em or only give press cards to geek media and such, I hate it when they give free tickets to this so-called "mainstream" media thinking it'll be some kind of free advertisement, they make money out of 'cringe content' and it's disgusting in my opinion, thankfully cons such as Abunai are pretty good at handeling this stuff, even when 3FM was invited, they insisted in having a positive article and I still think it's one of the better articles portraying the community.

>>9703513
I totally agree on this one.

>>9703284
The guy is a genius

>>9703513
Ppl might be soft in current times but cringe content is straight up worthless bullying. Don't support bullying.
On top of that it points unaware and uninformed people to cosplay in a bad way, making them form a wrong opinion about cosplay as a hobby.

Where can I find some cute socks in NL?

Anyone joining viencon their gopher team?

>>9703944
>Ppl might be soft in current times but cringe content is straight up worthless bullying. Don't support bullying.
But is it the responsibility of a convention to protect their visitors from these so-called bullies? That's the question that was asked by >>9703391, not whether bullying is right or wrong.

>On top of that it points unaware and uninformed people to cosplay in a bad way, making them form a wrong opinion about cosplay as a hobby.
So? People form poorly based and clouded opinions every day. If someone sees a bad item about cosplay and thinks 'hey, this cosplay thing is silly!' then that's fine. Odds are cosplay was meant not for them anyway. Not everyone has to like cosplay, let alone understand the full reasoning behind it. You can't expect anyone who isn't into something to read into the subject and have them justify why they don't like it. That's just unrealistic and somewhat entitled thinking.

>>9703944
Your complaint has been forwarded to the CABNL Facebook group.

>>9703944
The average person who watches those shows don't even care. They see it, forgot about it and moves on with their life.

>>9703964
What kind of cute?

If you're looking for colourful fun and cute, try children's socks at Zeeman, Wibra, Hema etc. The largest size is 35-38, so they can still be worn by the average adult woman.

yaya han announced for comic con brussels

>>9704098
Who cares about that old hag?

So, how long do we give this?

>>9704182
Haha, just like you I am not taking this serious at all. I have come across many people who said that they were quitting or on the edge or 'retiring', but they always come back. Just like weeds.

>>9704187
exactly, this is probably the 3rd time I've seen her retiring already, one other chick made a massive post about how stupid the dutch coscom is and how she'll never return ever again and that she would be deleting her profile in 24h, she didn't even last one day before her new and exciting shitty costest

>>9704182
>I’m insecure, please tell me how much you love me and would miss me if I quit UwU

>>9704222
Exactly.

>>9704182
She's gonna move to thailand shooting shitty cosplays I bet.

>>9704182
>9°C
>Cold

>>9704193
It's like the 9th time I see her saying this??

>>9704182
Unfinished projects, you mean trying to rake in that last amount of money. She doesn't even make anything.

My remote controlled wings are finished! It's been an insane build but i'm very happy with how they look now. I just hope they won't break with the slightest bit of wind.

>>9704364
Awesome!!

>>9704364
this shit's awesome. We need more of this shit.

>>9704364
amazing!

Is it just me or do her neck really look edited???

>>9704410
Doesn’t need seem like that’s the only thing that was edited lel

>>9704364
Senpai *^*

>>9704379
>>9704406
>>9704408
Thanks! I'll get a video wearing them outside tomorrow I think (if the weather aint shit)

>>9704429
Great, I'll be looking forward to that video in March!

>>9704410
If that's the only thing that bothers you about this photo. I mean, c'mon! That cosplay is horrendous! Needless to say she probably spend 30 euros on it and it shows.

>>9704432
Well also the fact you can see how fake that "boob crease" looks like how bad of a fit the dress is, you can see how her skin red is on her sides, photo composition, etc etc

>>9704432
Those teabags she calls tits aren't exactly helping either. At least stuff it or something, anything would better than letting that fabric hang like that.

>all these girls are probably tall as fuck
>all these girls probably have african and midleastern boyfriends

>>9704410
Versus reality

The way the dress is draped, it looks like it was made for a fit woman who is four months pregnant.

>>9704869
>>9704874
Yes, this wasn't a great fit. Bad choice.

I only have minimal progress to show. Sorry people.

>>9704874
Six months pregnant and still breastfeeding the previous one, rather.

>>9704874
>>9704918
The boobs are sewn uneven as well...

>>9704869
Trying to suck out someone soul with her eyes

>>9704930
Yeah, those overly ambitious boob socks are a new level of shitty construction compared to the rest of the shotgun wedding dress.

>>9704364
Short video of my finished wings. Total weight is 4kg!

>>9705132
I love how you kept moving around all like 'Better make sure I don't hit anything' only to end up in the same spot as where you started.

>>9705140
I wanted to make a turn to show both sides but it kinda backfired on me.. I hit both the wall and then my laundry on the other side.

>>9705132
When you showed the wings on the mannequin, I wanted to say you have a spacious living room. Good thing I didn't say anything, because it's obviously not spacious enough! Those wings look amazing!

>>9704182
How is that fence even crooked behind her back

>>9704410
That straight line between her boobs is so badly edited it's hilarious

>>9705316

>>9705316
Boobs? Where :|

>>9705314
She was complaining about some costumes that were “made too small” bitch no it means you gained weight @-@

>>9705409
I’ve noticed she had AWAYS complained about every cosplay she has received, and has tried to ask for refunds until she got banned from taobaotrends if I recalled correctly.

>>9705553
She also got banned from AliExpress because she tried to refund cosplays that were perfectly okay lol

>>9705593
Only needs to be banned from bhiner now, she keeps complaining about them anyway

>>9705674

Just send them proof of her complaints about them. done

>>9705684
>>9705674
gotta love a sponsor who only talks shit about your company

I can't be the only one thinking of this right now, right?

>>9705733
nah, but she has a lot of people with vendetta against her. Some are legit, some aren't.

Anyone reserved a Viencon bungalow yet?

>>9705874
I did. 2 person VIP cottage. I am bringing my cat, boardgames and thinking of hosting a foodfest/bbq at our cottage.

>>9705884
Same. I'm not really into the cosplay scene, but I know one of the organizers. I'll be hosting a workshop or two as well.

Two person VIP cottage, just for me.

>>9705874
Nope. Too close to Gamescon.

>>9703250
My opinion is you can submit the same costume as long as you stay on the same level or go up. Once you go up you cant go back down unless you are almost homeless or everyone has the same skill level. Dutch scene is small so everyone should be respectful.
>>9703391
I dont want to provide free content for someone I dont know. Local professional news crew for 1/2 hour ok but "self annointed reporter" no.
>>9703513
Tldr- you arent entertaining on your own so you go to cons to feel important. If you beed other people find a new job.

>>9705733
>Tldr- you arent entertaining on your own so you go to cons to feel important. If you beed other people find a new job.
More like tl;dr: stop being so easily offended by everything and learn to look out for yourself instead of expecting someone else to protect you from all harm.

>>9705874
None of my friends have shown interest in it yet so not yet.

I don't get why sakuraflor is so proud of hatona, it looks like a porn parody as far as I can see. Hashtag allforthemoney

>>9706097
Reminds me of a slutty pornstar version of a humanized rubiks cube desu. Probably the least exciting hero to see. She should have played more with the design instead of getting just a top and just pants, at least if it's an original character. Only googled about it a bit just now.

>>9706207
Same anon here, don't know why there is a random "desu" behind it. Gotta be autocorrect...

>>9706208
No, 4chan changes "t-b-h" in "desu".

>>9705733
> is called out for her behaviour
>> assumes everyone here is vendetta-canon
>>> is actually a vendetta-anon herself

>>9706097
Could practically say it's porn with her fully naked and undressing so many times

> wants to quit cosplay
> becomes active on instagram
followers are also bought, just check those profiles

>>9706529
she should ask her money back, she's only losing followers. or maybe she just lost all her real followers

>>9706529
Why is she ruining all those nice games? Love live, then fate and now gbf?

>>9706547
She seems quite happy about the amount of her bought likes that she could never reach with her mediocre bought cosplay and over filtered "i-never-use-filters" selfies.

>>9706547
Perhaps that comment was a cry for help.

>>9706529
What kind of commissions does she think she is able of doing?

>>9706558
I think she wants some custom comissions to be done for her

>>9706559
just like her Nero dress which turned out great!
or maybe she starts a go fund me for a decent commissioner.

>>9706097
Well, I would be pretty psyched out if I were the embodiment for a fictional character as well.

Shame it is such a mediocre character. However it is putting her on the map again.

I am more urked out by that producer guy. Why does he insist on being part of all the promotion stuff. I would not be surprised if he manages talking her into banging him at one point.

>>9705132
Wow, awesome!

>>9704182
If she has the same amount of 'concepts' as the average cosplayer, she'll never retire.

>>9705314
The golden liquify rule is not to make it noticeable you used the liquify tool. So yeah this is unfortunate in that regard.. Other than that, I don't judge her for using ps tools though. That's just what is needed to look professional, and often use it myself too when editing cosplay pictures.

>>9706530
and we keep going down and down

>>9706571
I do not understand your comment.

>>9706562
He makes my creeper-alert go off.

>>9706575
reply to other anon where they said her follower count was going down 2792 > 2750 and now 2735

>>9706588
If she really bought likes it could also be instagram delting all those fake accounts.

>>9706564
Thanks!

>>9706559
That makes more sense indeed.

>>9706521
>Herself
I know my penis looks a bit feminine but that doesn't necessarily means I'm a girl.

>>9706590
Just like that time she went from 8,5k to almost 4k in 2 days.

>>9704410
sorry not sorry for shitty ms paint, she doesn't deserve better. But this is some ps bullllllllshit lol

>>9706559
>>9706570
>>9706571
>>9705733
There is a LOOOOOOT of vendette whether it's legit or just drama stirring.

During the XM event she made depressing posts, people who asked her what's wrong got told, by her, that the organization was fucking rude to her and they lied to her ect. People got mad bc why would you mistreat the guests but because of that she got in trouble and then made a post about how people are just minding her business in search for drama which basically means she talks shit about the people that got mad for her sake.
So her reputation is pretty much shit now outside those desperate middle aged men that follow her.

Her insta account is also not a business account so she can't follow algorithms and she clearly doesn't know that ig is owned by fb meaning the ad revenue works the same way so if she keeps buying followers through shitty mobile apps they'll just be deleted in 2 to 4 days looool

And just... Her cosplays and makeup are just. so. so. so. bad.

The treats her sponsors like shit, she talks shit about everyone she hangs out with >except ofc her new buddy photographers because she needs them because she and her bf are shitty photographers obviously.
And she's just getting fatter without even lifting a finger to actually work hard to create quality content.

I hate patreon cosplayers that don't provide things like tutorials or info on characters, tips for cosplaying or things like that. Selfie reward patreons are just fucking retarded. Kim is dragging the already shitty cosplayers with her

her maid cafe is going the same way she is
that chinese with that soccerball head started buying likes, maymay idollu i dont speak dutch and only speak thai started patreon and her other friends started horrendously shopping after hanging out with her. then the friendship breaks and she leeches of someone else.

When will you quit kimu? When will you move to another country that understands you? What's holding you back?

>>9706771
Funny how the maid cafe got dragged into this as well.

>>9706771
I’d support maymay over kimu x100 though. :^)

>>9706789
me too
>>9706788
when I think about kimu i just think about that cafe and the members

>>9706771
Just to add to this. Her attitude to me has always been okay. Although, I do not know how she talked about me behind my back of course.

It is too bad she focusses on flavor of the month cosplays and only pays for cheap commissions as it is obviously visible.

I think she could be a cute cosplayer if she tried a bit harder to put some love into it, but this is her decision. She will probably never do that as she has a very negative experience with the community now.
She looks a bit fatter in the Nero dress, but I don't know if she actually got that much fatter. Little note, when you grow up, you can become a bit fatter, especially without exercising often. It could be that.

She hasnt been working for NNN for a while now. If you have problems with one of the people there, okay. However, I do have to admit that I love their food at conventions. I am happy to see that a maid cafe is allowed to serve more than cup noodles or watermelon as they have a chef. Their café in the Hague was also very nice.

I hope that Kimu might change her mind about cosplay and one day can truly enjoy cosplay and conventions once again. Until then, I just hope she doesn't damage her reputation enough to leak outside of Japanese culture communities.

>>9706798
I agree

I think that rather on focusing on cosplays she should learn to come to terms with herself and work on her self confidence/attitude

If she's in a mentally better state she won't need to lie, photoshop or seek so much attention. She needs to be at least on the level where it doesn't affect the people around her.
On another topic though I've noticed that the level of cosplay in The Netherlands is slowly becoming better? Less cringe

>>9706771
>>9706798
>>9706801
I'm pretty positive she'll never quit doing what she does right now. Only thing she does is play the victim card.

>>9706801
I honestly think so as well, but it’s also growing more toxic compared to years ago, there’s more drama than usual from the newer generation cosplayers.

Shoutout to Nedergundam anon for the good stuff though

>>9706806
And even if she did, we have enough others like xuimi cosplay who'd want to take her place.

better to move on and look at all the cosplayers you do luike.

>>9706801
Tbh, I think Roar and Clank are one of the better Dutch cosplayers we have here

>>9706808
Luckily Xiuemi* isn't a manipulative bitch like Kimu. Rather have her than kawaii kimu anyways

There's a forum dedicated to kimu for future reference, takes minor googling. Might be better to move the discussing (vendetta) over there before flooding another 4 4chan treads.

>>9706817
Xiuemi is alright, still is kimu 2.0 though. I’d rather have team paraluna take the spotlights.

I don't have a favorite dutch cosplayer, I just think the quality in general is better and we have more badass cosplays at convention than before

>>9706818
> Says to go to certain forum
> Doesn't link or name the forum

>>9706817
Xiuemi might not be as manipulative as Kimu but she talk shit behind your back a lot. Also will publicly humiliate you if you go against her.

>>9706823
Every fight/discussion has 2 sides though.

>>9706823
hello maika

>>9706822
PULL
I did the minor googling what the anon said. Hint: kimu cosplayer forum

>>9706823
Aparently, Xiuemi owed Dazzle around 300 euros, and when confronted about it by him, she blocked him because he was "too pushy." However, I don't know if this is true, but I overheard it some time ago.

>>9706830
Probably just rumors.

>>9706830
>>9706833
Might be just rumors. People love to hype/make things up and make situations worse than they really are

>>9706830
dazzle and xiuemi both seem like people who'd just throw it online if it was true

>>9706823
She is newer to the comm. Give it time. She'll probably turn out the same way. I do hope she turns out to be a decent person and maybe she will one day contribute to the community. She is still too thirsty for attention right now.

>>9706822
Anon is just being a 'Pretty Ugly Little Liar'.

>>9706843
> ''Newer''
She's been longer in the community than Kimu. Kimu has been in the comm for since 2015 or something, Xiumi has been cosplaying since 2011 I believe. I honestly believe she's not ''thirsty'' for attention, like Kimu, but just does what she likes to do. Like a escalated hobby or something

>>9706846
I can remember Xiuemi telling me exactly this

I saw this cosplayer on dcc and he's so fucking hot. i thought, MAYBE MAYBE we have a hot talented cosplayer that isn't a fucking autist. But he was a guest
Maul cosplay. we need guys at least this good in this shithole

>>9706852
Choke me daddy plz. If only we had guys like him in The Netherlands...

>>9706852
I'd say Rick Boer is at least this good. Definitely not autistic as well.

>>9706859
>Rick Boer
he's dutch???? i didn't know! he's good!

>>9706859
Love him to bits. He's really nice too.

I personally enjoy watching Team paraluna, Willow creative and Sednobis create and perform. Team paraluna are also really nice irl and they also contribute a lot to the community by giving workshops and helping out cosplay shops. Willow Creative is the only furry I do feel comfortable with. I think that is because of knowing who is inside and because her Lucario, for example, was amazing! Mad respect for her crafting abilities. Sednobis is so active behind the scenes as well as being a cosplayer! That's something that really shows how much someone cares about a community like this as they contribute to make sure it can keep on existing. She is also not the skinniest or prettiest, but still accomplished so much and still looking good in her outfits. That is also very inspiring.
Shoutout to Nethergundam/prop-anon for making joke cosplays real! I look forward to seeing those clogs and mill.

>>9706857
We do, they're just interested in you.

>>9706830
Honestly, I heard it the other way around, apparently Dazzle owed Xiuemi some money. I guess it really depends from who you hear it from. Don't know either of them that well so i can't really judge.

>>9706823
>>9706827
Both Maika and Xiuemi made a public post. Both are guilty of this. I thought they made up tho since I did see them commenting on each other posts. But again, idk them that well.

>>9706846
True, kimu just wants cosfame, but doesn't realize you can only get invited and keep being invited if you actually look like your pictures. Editing isn't bad, but if you look nothing alike, you'll just be a fraud.

>>9706870
did you forget the word "not"?

>>9706876
Oh fuck me sideways...

>>9706857
There are, they're just not interested in you.

>>9706874
>I thought they made up
I think you're right. I see them commenting on each others' posts as well. They might've did. Good for them.

>>9706818
wait is she on lolcow? otherwise just list the forum.

>>9706877
(it wasn't me about the daddy tho)
but for me it isn't about interest, it's more about they're obviously there and we need more
but bc of drama bitches in the community you don't see them as much as we should
any more reccs?

>>9706881
The name of the forum has been mentioned twice by now.

>>9706827
Gotta dissapoint ya there buddy

All the toxic, dramatic, fake, cosplay buying, wannabe bitches getting all the attention, likes, and 4 Chan discussions. Things never change.

>>9706934
Implying that buying cosplays is a negative thing

>>9706801
>>9706807
>>9706821
>>9706866

>all the Nethergundam shoutouts
Thanks people. I've finished my Uni project so I'll be back on that soon. I actually have a progress picture from today.

>Cosplay in NL is getting better
Definitely agree. I have been seeing a trend in rising quality for a few years now. And I'm really glad about that. Not just because it's nicer to look at, but it also pushes me to keep raising the bar.

>>9706843
Dont know.. the way i see it, she just says what bothers her and is pretty blund and straight forward..

Maybe not the best approach, but meh... at least she is not some crying little bitch.

Discussion/fb fights she posts on fb are at least true shit, not fake cry "why are people so mean, i try so hard, i should just quit or people should hang out with sad old me." Best to keep your shit private and to yourself in my opinion..

Hope she will start making shit herself with her number of likes...


I like cosplayers who make costumes themselfs like maul, paraluna, shiaya ( if i am correct ) and more foreign cosplayers/costume and prop makers

Competions are the main reason i visit cons. Better then seeing all those Aliexpress 10 dollar costumes walking around.

>>9706859
Rick Boer outskills Maul Cosplay big time, seeing as Maul Cosplay has a team making his costumes for him.
However Rick Boer misses the overwhelming good looks which Maul has in the bag.

>>9707009
When he does his make-up right, he looks pretty good imo... AND he's super nice. I love Rick. Well his cosplay & attitude that is. I'm not here to steal him from his wife. She's lovely too.

>>9706529
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>>9706571
have a good night lads

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So what do you all think of CABNL?

>>9706833
I know that Dazzle has his own "company" and made a site for her months ago. Havent heard from this site after so I think there is more going on behind the rumours than we know...

>>9707282
I feel you bro

>>9707467
It's full of shit, really. Considering people like olga partake in it, while bullying and supporting the bullying of an ex member of the dutch cosplay squad. Also people who are starting to use #cospositive are trying to be the new misa on wheels, who is fake as well for bringing down sexy cosplayers while trying to support disabled ones. In short: not buying it

>>9707565
I meant dutch suicide squad.

>>9707282
>>9707547
I feel both of you...

>>9707467
They apparently accept donations. For what though? what do they do with the money? Yeah uhm... no thanks.

>>9707467
I find it to be just another pointless awareness group that doesn't contribute anything to solving their main cause. So in other words, they are pretty much the Pink Ribbon from the cosplay scene. You also gotta love how they call themselves a charity despite not being officially registered as one and are asking for donations to be made on a personal bank account. Kinda makes me wonder if anyone was gullible enough to actually donate any money to them.
But hey, at least they can pat themselves on the back for their efforts and feel good about themselves, am I right?

>>9706938
It’s pretty lame.

>>9707598
But not bad. If someone buys cosplays and enjoys themselves, good on them. It's when they start pretending they made their cosplays and compete with them that I get a problem with it.

Remember two weeks ago when people got upset about that RTL Boulevard item at DCC? Yeah, DCC finally decided to respond to it.

>>9707598
>>9707599
It's only lame if they have a cosplaypage+patreon account while they don't even create their own cosplays in my opinion.

>>9707607
Took them long enough. I can't believe people can still be so incredibly disrespectful on public media in these times.

>>9707612
If the president of America can get away with it, anybody can.

>>9707609
>It's when they start pretending they made their cosplays

It's kinda the same thing but not really. I know what you mean. I agree yeah. you need to be able to offer something for your patrons.

>>9707617
like nudes perhaps

>>9707607
Seems like a respectful and polite enough response to me. Though honestly I didn't think the situation was as big as a deal as people where making it out to be.

>>9707662
I agree (see >>9703513), it was definitely blown out of proportions. However, that doesn't change the fact there was still a vocally present group of people upset by this item. As a convention directly involved you still want to react to these people in a timely manner, even if it is just to let them know they are being heard. Don't do this and they'll just keep complaining, get frustrated and slowly start to dislike your convention or claim you're being unprofessional for ignoring problems.

For example, earlier this year a group of people were vocally upset about there being a 18+ shibari lecture at Animecon. Some claimed it strengthened the idea that cosplay is something sexual, others were afraid it would attract perverts and then you had those telling everyone to think of the children. Was this too blown out of proportions? Fuck yes it was! But still, Animecon quickly released a statement the next day and things calmed down soon after.

>>9707678
I think Animecon is a very rare example in addressing issues like this. Most events just hide away or pretend nothing went wrong at all (hello tomo). It's a strategy that works most of the time:let it blow over.

>>9707688
While it might work, I personally don't feel it is a professional approach to ignore these matters. People will always remember what happened and the next time something similar occurs, even at another con, it will be brought up again. When that happens you'd rather have them think back positively at how your con took them seriously than how you ignored the issue. Pull that crap often enough and people will start to think less of your con (Abunai) or flat out start hating it (Tomo).

Speaking of Abunai, they did tried to keep everyone informed during the 2017 Annual Hotel Room Hunger Games. Whenever they finally heard something from NH it was immediately passed on to their visitors. It's just a shame how horrible things went as NH thought a toaster would be able to handle the traffic of +500 weebs simultaneously trying to book a room. Lets hope next year will be different, as in, just stick to that excel sheet which just works.

>>9707609
Have you ever heard of Enako? She is the superfamous version of a cosplayer doesn't make her own cosplays, yet has a huge following, and makes tons of money. All because she basically is super cute and looks great in whatever cosplay she wears. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-15/professional-cosplayer-enako-reveals-her-lucrative-income/.106485 You can call it lame, but hey, if there's market...

[idiotic cackling]

>>9707740
cool

>>9707717
I think the difference between Enako and the patreon leeching cosplayers is their professionalism(?) Enako in example provides concerts during conventions while Kimu just... takes selfies and low tier photoshoots. I don't know, I personally wouldn't compare those two together.

>>9707751
The concerts are good, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly just event modeling (just like at the Comiket this year). What I mean is, that you can basically become a famous cosplayer by not making your costumes, if you have the looks and skills of a professional model, or I guess idol. And that is exactly what Enako is, and why she cashes in. Kimu on the otherhand can indeed not be compared, because she has neither looks nor skills to make it on a professional level. Idk if it was ever her goal to be a pro, but if it is, she needs to work on a lot of things.

Jacob won 1225 euro on tv for best jack sparrow look alike, which proves you don't need to be a kawaii asian girl to get some good money.

>>9707789
Who said you have to be a kawaii asian girl to get money?
They said you'd have to look good, lol. Apparently, Jacob looked good so there you go.

>>9707789
Who the fuck is Jacob

>>9707811
Jacob is a good looking guy who has won €1225 on TB by being the best Jack Sparrow look alike.

>>9707811
Jacob is a good looking guy who has won €1225 on TV by being the best Jack Sparrow look alike.

Hey I just got payed! Anddd it's gone.

>>9707789
You either way need to be really kawaii asian girl or really good.I guess he was really good.

>>9703513
>>9704046
>>9704033
>>9704057
>>9707678
I don’t think comaring DCC/RTL Boulevard with the Animecon 18+ drama is a comparable comparison.

Animecon was completely ingrowed without outsiders (which made the whole commotion even more ridiculous), while DCC was a promise from outside that ended up in getting called mafkezen for litterly millions of people.

People can make CABNL jokes as much as they want. When even celebrities, who are supposed to handle tv attention, have struggles with it, you can't expect "everyday" people to handle it on the first try. Believe it or not, this takes practice.

Even the "they'll forget" argument is only true for a part. Some people still refer to the 'Ik heb het nog nooit gedaan' episode when I tell them I cosplay. Hack, a friend of mine got 'plausibel' comments from some guys while going all dressed in white (including facepaint and long wig) to the party. That 5 years after the episode.
I don't mind the comparison, I even laught at the plausible comment my friend got. But it shows people don't forget it as much as we like to.

But an important point I haven't seen here discussed: the interviewed cosplayers where ask through DCC's PR mail. It wasn't a powned style 'shove the camera in someones face and you should have known better' case.
As you can read >>9707607 DCC expected a positive fragment. And that showed in the PR mails. Which changed the expectation of the fragment to a more positive one, and that crashed like an airplane.

>inb4 I'm not blaming DCC, eventhough they got screwed over, they responded well to everyones concern.

>>9707878
I totally agree with you anon.

>I don’t think comaring DCC/RTL Boulevard with the Animecon 18+ drama is a comparable comparison.
Both are examples of a convention handling bad PR. Animecon has always taken an active stand with these matters, not all that surprising as they closely monitor the community. Sure, DCC had it worse considering their visitors were called 'mafketels' on live television, but that's all the more reason for them to take a pro-active stand. I get they wanted to wait from a response from RTL before making a statement, but you're not going to tell me it took RTL 10 days to get back at DCC. But at least they made a statement, even if was a predictive basic one. It's still more than some conventions have done...

>People can make CABNL jokes as much as they want.
But I'm not joking. I have a strong dislike for awareness groups as none of them have a plan in place to actually tackle their cause. Bullying is bad, we get it. Now is the time to actually jump into action and do something to put a halt to it. And yes, the fact that they are accepting donations on a personal bank account, without being registered as a charity, without releasing ANY details on what donations are/will be spend on, makes me extremely cautious about these people. If I want to give my money away without knowing where it goes I might as well give it to a homeless drug addict.

>>9707878
>I don’t think comaring DCC/RTL Boulevard with the Animecon 18+ drama is a comparable comparison.
Both are examples of a convention handling bad PR. Animecon has always taken an active stand with these matters, not all that surprising as they closely monitor the community. Sure, DCC had it worse considering their visitors were called 'mafketels' on live television, but that's all the more reason for them to take a pro-active stand. I get they wanted to wait from a response from RTL before making a statement, but you're not going to tell me it took RTL 10 days to get back at DCC. But at least they made a statement, even if was a predictive basic one. It's still more than some conventions have done...

>People can make CABNL jokes as much as they want.
But I'm not joking. I have a strong dislike for awareness groups as none of them have a plan in place to actually tackle their cause. Bullying is bad, we get it. Now is the time to actually jump into action and do something to put a halt to it. And yes, the fact that they are accepting donations on a personal bank account, without being registered as a charity, without releasing ANY details on what donations are/will be spend on, makes me extremely cautious about these people. If I want to give my money away without knowing where it goes I might as well give it to a homeless drug addict.

>>9707902
>But I'm not joking.

No, but someone else I tagged did.

>Both are examples of a convention handling bad PR.

I wouldn't say Animecons PR was bad, but that would be another discussion.

>but you're not going to tell me it took RTL 10 days to get back at DCC.

Considering an intern at RTL most likely did the job, it wouldn't surprise me.

>>9707878
Doesn't help that they air the "ik heb het nog nooit gedaan" episodes multiple times as well. Especially irritating when you were filmed without consent and now every classmate/colleague brings it up every few years. I just hope my pupils watch netflix instead of that crap, otherwise I'll have a very akward conversation with them about how 16 year old me was cosplaying and filmed , not even knowing what was said to me back then because of karaokeroom, and why I still celebrate carnaval in May someday in the future.

What's going on in the lolita facebook group? Why is it a big deal to clean up to group to get rid of ghost members?

>>9708006
From what I gathered:

A member asked how people felt about ghost members, and if there should be a cleanup. Seems like she just wanted some opinions.

Then there were some idiots who didn't know the definition of ghost members.

that settled down and then people just had a fairly normal conversation that just kept going on and on.

Some mods checked in, one doesn't want to get rid of ghost members, no idea why because they are useless to the com.

Two other ones think it's a good idea, one even was part of the discussion.

And then the last mod got all aggressive towards the OP. (Is aggressive the right word?)
Acting as if OP was attacking the mods by simply asking a question.

And now everybody's gone to bed.

>>9708019
Interesting how the mods who are actually active in the community were very supportive of the idea, and the mod who was super aggressive doesn't even wear lolita anymore. If it's such a hassle for them to mod the group (which includes removing ghost members) then why don't they step down and let actually active girls take their place?

>>9708039
Seriously, I didn't know she was a mod until I saw the shield/mod symbol next to her name.

I believe I've never seen her doing anything modlike at all until now.

so does pandaworks hav a girlfriend now cus i only see him shooting that one gurl all th time

>>9708253
Not his GF (as if he'd get one), just the only girl that actually likes shooting with this creep lol

"Sint Nekolaas"
First they change Zwarte Piet's skincolor, now Sinterklaas' species.
Great job Tomo.

>>9708039
>>9708047
She probably got so angry because she herself is essentially a ghost member who doesn’t really belong in the group anymore, let alone as a mod. But if being a mod of an online community is one of the only ‘powers’ you have in life, I guess it can be hard to let go.

>>9708257
Why is he a creep? His photos are quite nice.

>>9707789
But he looks amazingly much like Jack Sparrow, so it's well deserved. Not to mention, he may not be a kawaii asian girl, but he is a handsome looking guy.

>>9708006
Because there are people in the group, who don’t wear Lolita and are not even planning to become one. They are just there to lurk.
And some of us want them gone, because they are the reason most girls stop posting coords and such in the group.
The fact that RTL members and such are in it doesn’t help as well. And even though the mods apparently screen for it, I still got contacted by someone a few weeks ago. She told me she saw my posts in the group and wanted to know if I was okay with being filmed. (Said no of course and explained why.)

>>9708316
Isn't this something they used before? I have the feeling this is not new at all.

>>9708365
The post makes some lolitas show their true colors, elitist bitches.

>>9708395
What do you mean?

>>9708395
I'd rather be an elitist bitch than have 300 lolitas at heart who don't even wear the fashion in my comm.

>>9708395
Nayrt but I don't think any of us have a problem with people who are genuinely interested in the fashion and want to start wearing it. It's the people who don't intend to ever wear it and just want to stare who are making us uncomfortable. If you just want to see people wear lolita you can follow tumblrs and instas where lolitas post their coords for everyone to see. But the FB group is a closed group meant for local people who are involved in the hobby, not random onlookers. Like someone mentioned there are even people from RTL in the group and well, we don't appreciate being gawked at and called "mafkezen" any more than cosplayers do. I don't think that's elitist.

>>9708365
Who are the RTL people? Can someone PM the mods about them?

>>9708401
If they are interested in it, it shouldn't be a problem aside from obvious creepers that get off on it. Never seen a group more excited to kick people out than the lolita comm.

>>9708420
Well it’s quite logical when only 50 of the 500+ people go to a meet or post every now and then. There are too many members, even when you look at the people who might genuine like the fashion.
Lolita’s probably also dislike outsiders more than cosplayers, you should keep that in mind as well. You can already see that in how they react to the people who try to take photos of them, and the fact most of them will still say no even when asked. (Because they simply don’t want to be on a strangers phone and have their photo being shared to the other normies.)

>>9708420
>>9708428
I think it's important to stress the difference between cosplayers and lolitas here. For cosplayers, there's almost always a performative element: they generally want to portray a certain character, have their photo taken, participate in contests, make a fanpage, even start a Patreon and sell prints of themselves in cosplay. It doesn't really matter if the people liking their page or buying their prints are cosplayers themselves. But lolita is just clothing. Weird clothing maybe, but just clothes in the end. We dress for ourselves and other lolitas, not to portray a character and make other people happy. Lolita fan pages are an extreme rarity and I doubt there will ever be a successful lolita Patreon. So while it makes sense to have nonparticipating "admirers" in a cosplay community, it's a bit weird for a lolita community. Add the fact that we often have to deal with people who treat it like a fetish without our consent as well as people who just want to see our pictures for a cheap laugh, and you get a community that's not very welcoming to random onlookers.

Imagine if, say, knitting as a hobby was subject to a lot of misunderstandings, was viewed as a fetish to many and as something ridiculous to be mocked by many others. Do you think a local knitting group would be happy to have hundreds of members who just want to stare at them and aren't actually interested in learning to knit? Probably not.

Tfw too fat for lolita

>>9708471
Just wear a cowgirl coord to match those fat cowtits of yours.

>>9708471
Lolita is probably the most plus-friendly Jfashion out there, especially if you’re into sweet!

>>9708476
Don’t be an ass, anon.

>>9708319
He only likes to take photos of young lolita looking girls and half upskirt photos, just go have a look.

>>9708319
He probably just really wants to bang her and gives her all his attention. Of course she'll end up banging some other goodlooking guy that actually makes her want to bang in the first place instead of him trying to insert all the attention coins into her as if she's some vending machine, hoping sex will come rolling out someday.

>>9708319
He only likes to take photos of young lolita looking girls and half upskirt photos, just go have a look.

>>9708257
He probably just really wants to bang her and gives her all his attention. Of course she'll end up banging some other goodlooking guy that actually makes her want to bang in the first place instead of him trying to insert all the attention coins into her as if she's some vending machine, hoping sex will come rolling out someday.

>>9708471
If you're too fat for any type of lolita you have to a literal hamplanet at this point, there's so many brands that cater to huge sizes.

>>9708480
>Don't be an ass, anon.
What, you think she can't pull off such a coord? Fuck you Anon, stop ruining her dreams!

>>9708486

There's millions of photographers who take photos of undressed women, or some fetisj type art. Doesn't mean they're a creep.

>>9708496
Just ask soms members of PRISM about his creep tendancies.

>>9708499
Why ask them? Do they have a history?

>>9708505
Some of them don't work with him anymore for reasons.

>>9708510
You're just posting random shit without any proof now, aren't ya?

>>9708513
No I'm not.
Yeah that's a productive discussion right here, right?

PRISM isnt the only one not wanting to work with him anymore. Pandaworks is definitely one of the worst photographing creeps in NL

>>9708499
who is not working with him anymore? maybe i missed something

>>9708496
People have been called creeps for less here on 4chan, haven't they?

People have been called creeps for al kinds of stupid reasons. Unless these girls come out and say something happened there is no reason to assume he's a creep just because of his photostyle

>>9708575
>People have been called creeps for al kinds of stupid reasons.

So conclusively, "People have been called creeps for less here on 4chan.".
It's ok to admit that friend. You can word it as creatively as you want, it's the same thing.

>>9708448
I agree, lolitas only like being praised by others wearing the fashion or maybe people that wear other kinds of jfashion. If you cosplay a game character you want to be praised by people who like the game/show and character as well as other cosplayers. Cosplay also even has a positive tv show about it on TLC and is much more well known to the public. Because lolita is a smaller community a few rotten apples are more noticeable and thus we are protective of both our image and who comes into contact with us. In another thread the discussed how creeps have very often stolen pictures to put fetish comments on it and we also had a couple who tried to go to meet ups a couple of years ago. I also wouldn't join a tiny cosplay group of a specific show that I have not seen nor want to see just too lurk.

Pandaworks is whatever you want to imagine but you call him creep on account of people who aren't working with him which you're implying is not you. We know for a fact prism or ex-prism members are on 4chan so if they'd like to share some of these experiences why don't they? Roxanne sure loves to be the keyboard warrior and Elise sure loves bask in the attention she gets from calling out men who've called her cute on the streets.
Why would they miss a chance to call out so called creep pandaworks, they dont work with him.

I'd like to see their proof, unless what you've heard were useless rumors they can't back up because that's what 50% of their shit is.

>>9708735
i have never heard them say this shit, so why would they have proof of things they never said?

>>9708735
I don't think Roxanne or Elise would be the type to do that. OK I know Elise a bit better, so I'll just say that I don't think she the type to hang out here. Not for the gossip, nor the con discussions, meet-ups, cosplay progress and tully stanning.

>>9709071
Roxanne is DEFINITELY the keyboard warrior and on 4chan as well.

Sakuraflor and her producer the whole time.
I gotta admit, the quality of her videos have gone up, technically seen. But OMG, the amount of cringe and his creeper level is waaaaaay through the roof.

>>9709541
That was the cringiest shit I've seen in the past 24 hours.

>>9709541
Creeps everywhere.. it's the only thing we seem to be discussing on here.

I actualy like her new videos they are of good quality and pretty interwsting. I don't know why her producer is a creeper though, what did I miss?

>>9709541
Aren't there any close friends of her on 4chan that can tell her in a subtle way to proceed making cringy videos without the fellow?
I mean her try-harding before could still be considered cute since there was no odd dude next to her, but now it is hard to get a boner. (Pun intended)

>>9709456

do I smell a vendetta, anon?

>>9708471
I don't know what the average size for lolitas is, I've looked at moitie myself but even with a bmi of 18 I don't fit into a lot of their jsks.

>>9709722
Moitié is one of the tiniest Lolita brands, although they are also known for the fact they don’t always list accurate sizing. Modern full backshirring AP can cather a 120cm bust and 100cm waist. There are a lot more options as well.

>>9709722
Its just being lucky with your body type, I guess. If you're not that tall and have a natural waist of 65~ ish you could fit. I'm thinking back to my lolita days, I had a really pretty moitie skirt that needed a 64 cm waist, i'm 1.68m and a 63 cm waist with a BMI of 21. But as the other anon said a lot of other brands expanded their sizing. What you also could do is bring a sk/jsk/op to a seamstress and get it made bigger to fit

>>9709577
I don't get the fuss about Saku, it looks like a dragqueen for the way it does make-up, the nose looks huge in many of her videos and pictures, especially Sombra. Less make-up is better for her, looks more feminine and cute.

>>9710456
the Pinocchio syndrome.......

>>9710456
You don't get the fuss yet you start a fuss?

>>9710456
I agree the sombra is too much make-up but in her recent vlogs she looks really cute. Not too much make up and decent style.

>>9710496
Welcome to 4chan?

Viencon just posted they need 50 more reservations before december 8th. I hope they make it, I really like the concept :-(

It's not very smart to spend EVERYTHING... Do you think reservation money will be included as well? Would people lose their money if Viencon 2018 won't continue?

>>9710753
Possibly. Non-Refundable deposits exist.

It is very dangerous to have a minimum of 1.250 bookings con as a first thing. I mean, is that total people or just houses??

>>9710753
Is it Viencon or Vien con? Have the feeling that they have written this very fast..

>>9710753
It's also not realistic to assume a new con without any reputation would be capable of pulling off a 1250 visitor minimum. I can respect being ambitious and being highly motivated to set something like this up, but at least come up with a proper business plan first. Start small, make a name for yourself and expand only once the demand is there. Instead they are trying for to start big again, despite their previous attempt also failed for not receiving enough reservations.
At least the TomoAnons will be having a good laugh over this as for some reason they keep comparing it to TomoParty.

>>9710753
To be honest, would love to support the convention. But the concept is not my thing.

It would be their second time failing with organizing this event.... When will they learn?

>>9710753
I find it sad really, I know you shouldn't judge personality and intentions through written words on the internet but they seem like a group of people with an actual dream in mind, I kinda hope for 'em that they manage to make it to 50 reservations because the concept isn't even that bad.

>>9710753
So, Viencon. From the beginning that this convention had been announced (last year) I had the feeling that they try to become a success on the fact that 'many' people know the organizer(s) and staff. Last year it was a fail, and now they are now begging for people to make reservations. So they are doing something wrong, but what? I feel bad for them, as they put a lot of their own money in it. But I have the feeling that they made it too big from the beginning. How did all the other successful conventions started? They have a good group of staff in their team, but I haven't seen much of their promotion at the moment. Maybe they have to ask some of the promoting websites/magazines to help them out with making a name.

>>9710772
I mean the 'not in it for the money part' is true otherwise you could play it safe, set up something like TomoFair. Low cost, high results.

>>9710772
See >>9710764

The concept isn't bad and dreams are nice, but one should never lose track of reality when chasing their dreams. They unfortunately did and learned nothing from their previous attempt. The only to blame for this impending failure are themselves.

>>9710777
Plus, it's held a week after Abunai. Concidering the budget of the average conguest here, it's not really possible to afford and Abunai, and a weekend Viencon.

>>9710784
Haven't thought about that, so true! A TomoParty would work, because it is cheap.

>>9710784
>>9710786
Except you're supposed to pay for your reservation in advance...

>>9710788
Still. Many people have Abunai in mind for that period as well, and they want to spend some money there as well, regardless of paying in advance.

>>9710789
I'd rather go to Abunai as well...

>>9710801
At least people know Abunai will be held for sure

>>9706852
Looks on point, although his gambeson seems weirdly thin and unsheeted.
Also is the chainmail on his left shoulder piece butted and the one on his right riveted...? Weird style choice.

>>9706877
This.

>>9707282
Hi OPa.

>>9707592
Please stop feeling the regulars. We prefer them in their cold, emotional, robotic state. We have to prep them for the /r9k/oming.

>>9707866
Enjoy your authentiboots.

>>9710921
Giving the timing, I'd imagine it's more like this to most people. Well, maybe minus the struggle that is.

>>9710764
1250 is just to cover the location. They will need more than that dor events and such. That is a very steep amount when ypu are going against Abunai, Gamescon and Connichi which are all in the same period.
This is a good economy lesson to some people, A. k. a. organizing a convention is not cheap yo!

>>9710774
The biggest problem Viencon has (besides the stupid name) Is that they made the choice to focus on Cosplayers. The brokest, cheapest, most drama prone part of the community. Till now they have not presented one good reason for a non-cosplayer to go.
Its an event for cosplayers that that is normal right, wel not exactly cosplayers also have non cosplaying friends, if they're friends don't go niether will they.
Secon the price is quite steep and paying per cabin is not very dutch. because either one person has to pay the cabin and spend the rest of the year begging his / her friends to pay it back. Also canceling is not possible so mosr people will want to be 100% shure they can go before booking. And als that its in the middle of fucking no where whit no pulic transportation, people bitch about abunai and they have a bus stop right in front.
Also the weekend they chose iz so bad, school just started, other events, no guarantee of good weather.

I didn't know that a dutch thread existed on the chans. Can you guys give me a quick summary on what it is like here? You seem to write in elaborate sentences compared to most of the other boards.

>>9711223
However, there is a possibility of cancelling. It just costs a little more

>>9711230
Are you from cgl? Dutch thread here is mostly about cons, cosplay(ers), petty dramu, HEMA rookworst and very rarely the gl part of cgl. This board as a whole is on the slow side so there's time for everyone to write out their arguments in full sentences rather than just shitpost. But we also shitpost.

>>9711234
>no honourable mention of LARP faggotry

But boy, do we try.

>>9711234
I usually browse /adv/,/his/, /lit/ and /int/. I never took an interest in cgl, because I'm not interested in cosplay.

Now I'm going to lurk here for a while, because I'm looking for an anime buddy. It's getting too damn lonely for me to watch anime all by myself, I'd like some more interaction. None of the people I know in real life watch it :/

>>9711252
>watching anime

Jesus Christ man, just read and write medieval manuscripts if you want to take up celebacy. No need to hurt yourself this badly by watching goontoons.

>>9711223
The UK is having CosXpo (?) and it's a con aimed at cosplayers too. However, it's one day (for as far as I know), in a small hall, and it's mostly got workshops, dealers with materials and demos, as well as photoshoot opportunities.

That sounds a lot more like a 'cosplay con' than viencon did.

>>9711223
Yeah, I think everybody (except maybe the organizers) agree on the name, it is a joke name, we shouldn't take it that seriously. Maybe the name is also part of the problem.

>>9711223
Talking about the target audience....
>>9710775
That is why the Tomo events work.

Also mentioned before is that Viencon has no name, only we know that the first time they had to cancel it. And now they are also on the point that in one week from now they probably have to cancel it again. It is not a good start.

Smaller is indeed a better way to start out, also mentioned before here. >>9710764
>>9710774
>>How did all the other successful conventions started?

Here is the answer.

>>9711277
Didn't animecon start with an edition of maybe 300 visitors?

>>9711284
http://www.animecon.nl/program/history
>> Anime ’99 (J-POP Foundation - nr. 1)
>> Number of visitors: 208

>>9711236
I'm so sorry I forgot about our LARPfriends!
>tfw no qt Landsknecht bf

>>9711277
It also doesn't help that despite their call for help to reach 50 bookings is shared 40 times, non of the visible shares has likes from viencon page. One of the shares also had a painfully correct remark basically saying that message is a bit late 1 week before deadline and in the month of the holidays. But really, at least give all the people who shared the post a like, so it seems like you give a shit as the organizer. Because it really looks like you're putting in all the effort to reach that 50 atm.
^sarcasm

>>9711277
It also doesn't help that despite their call for help to reach 50 bookings is shared 40 times. Non of the visible shares has likes from viencon page.
One of the shares also had a painfully truthful remark saying that their message is a bit late, 1 week before deadline and in the month of the holidays. But really, at least give all the people who shared the post a like, so it seems like you give a shit as the organizer.
Because it really looks like you're putting in all the effort to reach that 50 atm.
^sarcasm

>>9711469
Tbh, if they can't even promote their event properly from their own FB page. I can't really imagine this group of people running a whole event. That is obviously a lot more work than the promotion alone and they technically had about 1,5 to 2 years to promote it now.

>>9711469
True, the timing is really bad overall (when the event is, and now they are begging for reservations).

>>9711469 >>9711480
>> But really, at least give all the people who shared the post a like, so it seems like you give a shit as the organizer.
YES! This is how I feel about it as well about the organizers. That is why I get the vibe of them that everything will be alright with no effort at all. And now it is almost the second time they will cancel the whole event.

Look on the bright side.
At least they wrote their introduction story without specific time references this year. So they can re-use that text again next year, for a third attempt.

>>9711485
I'm already saying my goodbyes.

>>9711534
Hahaha, good one! Stay positive, you guys!

>>9711480
They were hoping that having famous * cough* cosplayers would would be enough to get people on board.
I mean tomo has proven that planning skills aren't really needed to make an event "work"

>>9711406
<3

>>9711534
Now this. This is planning lads.

>>9710774
I have the feeling they are also trying to be some kind of Fotocon, but the thing is, except for the shoot they've shown in the pool, there's little known about the other possible photo locations. And that pool was just a basic pool and not even that big; pretty sure you can't get a decent picture if there's like 30 cosplayers in it.

>>9712119
This is also one of the downsides, many people wanting to do sexy pool shoots instead of using the pool to swim around/have fun with friends. Because a weekend of centerparcs with friends sounds great, but as a convention, nope.

Moreover, the promotion photo's really are a disappointment compared to the usual level of the photographers. I'm seeing condensation on the lens of velvet art's photos, Dr Cow's photos are so grainy (not sure if fb compression is causing this), atleast panda work's photos show of the locations a bit more and jacky's photos except for the last one are just horrible.

So Viencon thanked people for sharing the messages, but now I am very curious if the sharing really worked for them to reaching their goal.

>>9712146
Psh I doubt it. Even if they woud get the amount of reservations for their first goal, they'll never get the needed 1250. So I've already given up on them.

>>9711234
Don't forget Tully!

>>9712146
of course not, I think people know better than to trust a con organisation that didn't fail once but is about to fail twice.

>>9712146
If they had reached their goal you can believe they would've said so already.

>>9712249
Of course.

>>9712174
wait why are people talking about that girl who makes these threads cuz i dont remember seeing anything special from her

>>9712257
>Not knowing the awesome legend that is OP

What do you mean though? Where are they talking about 'her'?

>>9712316
Maybe they should organize a VienCon PreParty.

>>9712316
VienCon The Third Try. / VienCon T3

>>9712319
As it happens to be, there is a existing #previencon tag if you search on Facebook.

>>9712319
>>9712320

They already wrote that they're not going to try again if this year fails again. On a side note, imagine how hard Willy and buttcrack are laughing right now seeing Viencons second attempt fail.

>>9712319
As it happens to be, there is an existing #previencon tag if you search on Facebook

>>9712334
I can hear them laughing over here, so that must be rather hard. But I have the feeling that the Tomo bubble will also burst at a certain time. In the meantime, all the bigger conventions should be at their events with promotional booths inviting Tomo's audience to their better-organized events.

>>9712337
Was only staff invited? I only know about the pool parties (as in 'this is how it all began with the VienCon joke').

>>9712341
No, it was just with a group of close friends at that point. The Viencon joke started there indeed.

>>9712341
As I recall, the organizer originally made a post in a Dutch cosplay group to ask if there would be interest in such an event and it was always going to be called Viencon. I also remember from that first post that De Bonte Wever in Assen was the first suggested con location. The post was removed by the organizer himself after gathering info. More people should remember this because it had quite an amount of reactions. The poolparty followed after that, but it was always going to be called Viencon. That is also why the poolparty was dubbed previencon. I never understood why they would lie and change the story about that. The only reason I can think of is because chatter on 4chan started, where people thought it seemed arrogant and dumb to call a con after your own name.

>>9712355
Any Dutch FB cosplay group mods that can confirm this?

>>9712355
>> I never understood why they would lie and change the story about that.
Well you know, with promotion you want to show a pretty picture to get people go to your event.

>>9712364
It is a nicer idea that friends started calling it that than himself I suppose.

Talking about struggling conventions. I have the feeling Nishicon is also struggling... (again)

>>9712382
why that?

>>9712382
nishicon's always been a small con though.

>>9712388
Hotel is not sold out (saw a random post somewhere on FB), they don't promote the convention much (just like last year), I get the idea that there will not many activities at the convention thanks to the little promotion. Do I need to continue?
>>9712393
True.

>>9709722
Moitie has free waist and goes up to 110cm bust

>>9711252
int has dutch threads too, sometimes several

>>9712419
And they all give me cancer.

>>9712437
Dutch threads have a tendency to do so.

I found an old picture, like 20 years ago with a costume day at school having kids and the teacher painted yellow in chinese dresses. Oh the simple times when people didn't get offended by everything.

>>9712481
oh the simple days where we just ignored how racist we were.

>>9712481
How is this /cgl/ related?

>>9712499
Because cosplayers still get shit on for racefacing

>>9712572
By that logic finding the best way to prepare authentic Mexican food is also /cgl/ related because some cosplayers eat Mexican.

This bread has gone depressed. Please leave it alone and migrate to the new bread >>9712578

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