/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

People who complain more than they cosplay should be shot.

All I see in here is bitching about cons, bitching about cosplays, bitching about lolitas, bitching about events, bitching that there's not enough events, just bitching.

If you have nothing else to do than complain, just end it all.

I've been seeing a lot of popular cosplayers tweeting/posting about how cosplay is
>just a hobby! Don't take it too seriously!!!
I'm pretty sure you manage to pay your rent with your patreon cam show bux. You sure if you quit doing those things that your little "hobby" would remain unchanged?
I think that it's not really too controversial to ask that people start realizing when their hobby has crossed the thresh hold into side job/profession. The resources and the time some of these cosplayers have for their costumes is obviously going to be higher than a lot of other people involved in the hobby side of it. I think parts of the unrealistic standards we have of quality now and the criticism taboo can be traced back to the fact that these people refuse to admit that they are different. At this point I think it's a way for some of them to deflect criticisms, standards, and responsibility (see: Momokun).
Just fucking realize you should have a set of standards at some point and stop trying to use your army of followers to influence the rest of the community.

People who bitch about how a cosplay is ugly, that person is too old, and they don't cosplay themselves.

People who want to judge other people in cord and they are not even into the scene

This isn't a fucking hug box but there is a difference between being a cunt and trying to help someone or at least give them empathy

Mega Popular cosplayers who don't even make their own costumes, eg: kawaiibro, moderatelyokay, etc

>>9701972
Whoaaa John doesn't make his costumes? i don't follow him like that, but that's dissappointing.

>>9701993
the only thing he's actually claimed to have made was the armor for his Ravus costume.
Everything else hes worn he either bought or was given to by other famous cosplayers. His arms for Genos were given to him by Jechts, his sword for Noctis was from Danielle Beauleu, his entire Ravus costume was made and gifted to him by a fan, he bought his persona outfit from mycostumes.

lolita groups that dont vet each member to be sure theyre actually lolitas are trash and a waste of space to the community. rufflechat has im sure less than 30% actual lolita wearing members. the new lifestyle lolita group? even less. what is the point of listening to someones advice and "lolita knowledge" if theyve never worn the fucking thing.
not only are we giving platform to newbs with subpar coordinates. were giving platform to people who do not own a single dress, bow, petti at all
what the fuck, really? take anything you read in the facebook groups with a grain of salt, check profiles and see if someone wears lolita and flat out ignore opinions and advice from non wearers.
>make online comms great again

>>9702002
my own salt to add to your salt:

people who whine about vetting and not being allowed into a group are hilarious. why are people so against vetting unless they're forever-itas/lolitas at heart? is it really so hard to send a few coord pics and answer a couple of questions?
"but muh anonymity!"
if you're wanting to join a niche interest group with the sole purpose of getting to know each other, your anonymity will inevitably be compromised. might as well get it over with now.

I still hate Holy Lantern, but I think I hate girls who wear it more.

>>9702003
this too. the amount of bitching about keeping communities strictly to wearers is ridiculous. if you really wear the fashion there is no reason to say "no i dont want to privately share a picture of proof to a group mod via pm" they cant even use the excuse of keeping a private profile, its over messaging
im sick of these lolita at heart/ its not a fashun mom its WHO I AM type people

>>9701958
This so much. I hear cosplayers that don't want to get treated as a piece of meat but all they do is produce fap material. It doesn't help that money comes easily for patreon lewds so the amount of people that do it grows. Also what are they going to do when their fame runs out, they can't get a decent job with their softcore porn pictures floating around.

>>9701948
The Natural Kei/Mori threads are honestly embarrassing to see in the catalog, because they don't seem to realize that both of those fashions died years ago in Japan. Not to mention that the Western natmori comm is almost all itas in thrifted garbage. And they defend thrifting instead of buying brand too.

I unironically believe that if youre white, characters of color should be off-limits.

I guess this opinion applies more to Western material than anime since theyre all white anyway.

All the bad cosplay and it's threads do is drive people away. Instead of any actual constructive conversation, they just rag on people for making mistakes, and they're typically newbies. The vetting discord in particular has some outrageous rules and that just seems to turn people off learning.

Male cosplay in general is 100 percent underappreciated. Excluding crossplay of course. It seems like for a guy to get noticed at a con or appreciated he has to dress as a girl, do an otter armor cosplay, or do a shirtless cosplay to shit off his muscles. Those seem to be all people care about for guys. As opposed to the girls who typically are appreciated even for things like seeing on non slutty cosplays.

More cons need to be 18+ or have more 18+ events.

Also what >>9702231 said. Men get way less attention for the same amount of effort.

>>9701948
I think lolita and cosplay should have separate boards

>>9702264
This but I feel like the boards would be extremely slow

>>9702131
I mean so is VK and gyaru? I mean you're welcome to your own opinion, but it seems odd to single out one group.

Menhera > Uchuu kei

>>9702521
Uchuu kei > Menhara

Also, idgaf if a fashion is "real" in Japan or not, as long as it's cute.

the bad cosplay threads are turning into nitpicks, as well as the bad makeup and wig threads

if it isn't awful then it isn't for the bad __ threads

>>9702542
agreed. frankly, I don't want to make 4chan into a hugbox but calling nitpicks shit-tier is slowly making the fashion bland and unwearable.

that one comment (I forgot in which thread) about missing coords with shoe colors that aren't in the coordinate are a great example. for all intents and purposes it's fine, but because some people get sandy any time something's not perfect it gets plopped in the ita thread and no one can wear it without taking shit.

it also stops people from posting wearable, non-CoF ready coords for fear of being called ita which just perpetuates the OTT crazy (not that OTT is bad, but it's not what I'm wearing to the grocery store you know?)

>>9702547
>>9702542
fuck I read that as lolita related. generally true across the board, tho. sorry about that!! I feel your pain.

>>9702524
>offensive neon coloration and holographic skirts/leggings/accessories that were only okay in like 2014
>cute
bad taste

>>9702550
1) it's meant to be an unpopular opinion thread
2) how is it any worse than the emo kid clusterfuck with a doki doki now that is menhara
3) fuck you I love space

>>9702248
Eh on one hand, yes please no kids. On the other hand, I've been to 18+ events at conventions and they are cringe anyway because most people there act like horny kids that just hit puberty.

>>9702231
>Male cosplay in general is 100 percent underappreciated
Unfortunately there is no easy way around it with guys. People, especially those with only a casual interest are just more interested in seeing their waifu in real life. Partly due to any nerdy hobby will attract more male eyes. The only way guys will get that attention is if fujos amass in big enough numbers to have as big an effect. But no one wants to see bland self insert anime protag #2347, while any random girl from that show will have fanboys.

>or do a shirtless cosplay to shit off his muscles
This is kind of a bigger problem with male cosplay in general, even slim characters are often somewhat toned. Unless it is some noodle clamp shit, or bland self insert you will need to be in a little shape otherwise the cosplay rockets down in quality. While a girl in okay shape can generally pull a lot of stuff off, doubly so with photoshop or just has big tits to distract horny teenagers.

Basically guys need to step it up and get a large crowd of fangirls.

>>9702570
>This is kind of a bigger problem with male cosplay in general, even slim characters are often somewhat toned
I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say the majority of male characters do actually wear shirts, so being toned or not isn't really an issue

>>9702578
You can't hide the noodle arms though.

>>9702581
That's what sleeves are for, bb

>>9702578
>the majority of male characters do actually wear shirts
I'd give that with a two caveats. First most would be completely boring and no one would have any interest in doing outside lazy people. Second a lot would still have some noticeable muscle so not filling the top right hurts it a lot. >>9702581 is right, the mass and shape under clothes means a lot and guys lack good ways to fake it. I'm not saying there are no cosplay opportunities, but a lot are not going to get notoriety.

>>9702586
>most would be completely boring and no one would have any interest in doing outside lazy people.
It's actually the reverse for a lot of them, sadly. A lot of fully clothed male character designs are fairly intricate, and it puts a lot of people off (with exceptions being really common ones like MCU Cap America, where there's a-million-and-one places you can buy a decent looking costume).

I unironically wish most people made their own cosplays, no matter how awful they may look

I really like seeing the minor imperfections that give away if a cosplay is homemade. It adds character. Way better than the shitty taobao shiny polyester you see most the cosplayers use

>>9702592
>It's actually the reverse for a lot of them
Possibly, but if we also get rid of ones you need to be somewhat in shape for that really cuts down on the ones anyone would get attention for. Which if they are difficult to make really makes the problem worse. I think the culture around and demand for male cosplayers has to change more than anything. You need people to be asking for those simple and easy to pull off male characters. But i also don't see that change happening cause people just don't really care.

>>9702555
I love that coord. Westerners usually do it bad.

>>9702570

Exactly. Ubless you take the male pornstar route and be willing to be gay enough you are not going to get far in the cosplay industry. It is like mma or athletics. Its a sausage party before you can get the women's attention

I ave no pity for anybody that posts up a con room horror story about how broke they are. You know that the con you want to attend is coming up in a few months time. Try saving your fucking money so you can afford a hotel room, food and dealers room shit.

I understand broke teenagers and college kids, but grown ass adults with jobs are going to cons on that struggle life crying broke. A convention is pretty much a test in financial literacy. Put aside money every payday for a few months and by the time con oms up you will have some money to spend and a hotel to yourself.

>>9702879
This. I'm not rich but if I want to go to a con bad enough, I research it and hotels in the area months in advance. Literally anyone can do it, all it takes is basic financial planning. There's no fucking excuse

>>9702879
Agreed! My friends and I book our hotels months in advance, and for the most popular con in our country we book at LEAST half a year in advance if not more.

>>9702514
VK and gyaru are subtypes of cosplay at this point and are acknowledged as such. NK/M still has girls claiming to be "lifestyle mori" and trying to act like it's as popular as lolita.

>>9702938
>gyaru is cosplay
I can see your argument for VK, but that makes absolutely no sense. just admit you have a bug up your ass about one specific style and move on.

it's the unpopular opinion thread. you're allow to be unreasonably salty.

Of course everyone is intitled to their own opinions but I think to look good in jfash you should be
>under 5'6"
>under 25 years old
>with BMI 17.5 -19

>>9702945
agree but changing the bmi to 17-20 and age to whenever you stop looking 25

>>9702945
>5'7"
>25
>BMI 20
time to die

>>9702945
>with BMI 17.5 -19
more like under 18 for white girls

>>9702945
>under 25 years old
>no fun fashion for you if you're older
Can't wait for you to sell your wardrobe on your 26th birthday, anon-chan

>>9702955
I will sell it then, because I respect the fashion a lot and I think that older women wearing it makes it look bad like how teenage goths are fine but 40 year old goths are cringy even if their clothes are good.

>>9702958
More brand for us then, bye.

>space/galaxy themed lolita is fuckign terrible tacky tumblr spawn (constellations are good though)
>Brolitas shouldn't be allowed in comms unless the mods are 1000% sure they aren't fetishists/not ita, especially old ones
>knee-high socks are atrocious, especially sweet ones. anklets, tights, or stockings/thigh highs are the only way to go.
>sack dresses look TERRIBLE on EVERYONE, including stick thin asian girls. mumu-kei is not kawaii
>black and white polka dot pattern in fairy kei is cancer
>lolitas having any sort of bangs at this point should just be cardinal

>>9702958
>but 40 year old goths are cringy even if their clothes are good
almost all goth icons are older people and it's widely accepted that most goths don't grow out of their baby bat phase until they are on their 20's, when does this opinion even come from?

>>9702945
Just cause you age like shit, doesn't mean everyone else does.

>>9702958
>thinking goth is a fashion statement

>>9701958
a fucking men!!!

>>9702524
This.

I hate menhera. And I think Larme is so normie it doesn't even warrant the title of alt fashion.
Also I hate how OTT lolita has become.

>>9702958
I mean,that's your opinion man. At least it means more brand for us. But I just find it terribly sad that you limit yourself in that way It's like no fun is allowed past 25. You can also change/tone down/...to adjust your style to suit your features as you age.

Guru lolita is the only substyle I dislike. People just do it for Halloween.

>>9702802
>westerners usually do it bad
>photo is in the middle of times square and the girl is a westerner even if she's asian

>>9703702
How do you know she just isn't visiting America.

>>9703702
not necessarily, Asians love tourist trap areas/big cities in America

>>9702958

>>9702938

Pretty much every mori thread I've ever been in mentions how it's a dying/dead fashion lmfao. You are so salty about this it's kinda funny. Did someone not like your mori co-ord?

>>9702945
I used to think this way about age but I'm coming up on 25 and I can't forsee myself wanting to wear un-cute things within a year or two...

>>9703722
>your mori co-ord
>implying
I never liked Mori, but I know annoyingly many bitches who do. They're weeb hippies.

>>9703722
I don't dress in mori but i personally think it's never been popular to begin with, they're just rare.

>>9703775
>I personally think it's never been popular
That new

>>9702958
It's funny because most people start making good enough around that age and can start to really afford their burando by then.

>>9703696
>guru
The term you're looking for is guro. I dislike it when people just splash white dresses with red paint of some sort that usually doesn't even look like blood and leave it at that; it can be great in concept but people are just lazy and lack creativity when attempting it.

>>9702945
>under 25 years old
that's silly, anon. actually i think a lot of people start looking better in their mid-late twenties because they're more in tune with how to style themselves and what looks good on them.
>inb4 old hag
i'm 18.

>>9702231
This is never going to change because of the demographic. It's like expecting Pokemon to not be popular or Naruto/Seasonal anime of the month. Guys want to see waifus and they are going to be more girls cosplay as waifus and girl characters because that is the majority/norm.

>>9702595
The problem is things like >>9702542 and >>9702231. I want to make my own cosplay outfits but I don't want to end up on the internet or talked about/ridiculed by my friends. My self esteem is already bad enough.

I've seen people complain and nit pick about a Makoto cosplay just because she was black. Not her wig, not her outfit, just because she was black.

>Most lolitas have bad taste
>MILK was the first lolita brand
>Only attention whores wear menhera

>>9704186
>Most lolitas have bad taste
Unfortunate but very true. Many girls in this subculture can't dress themselves outside of (or even within) lolita.
>MILK was the first lolita brand
That's an unpopular opinion? I thought it was common knowledge.

>>9702004
Same anon. I find this dress hideous and I will never understand the hype for it

unpopular opinion I unironically hate Pokemon and any Nintendo cosplay and prefer more obscure cosplay like Concrete revolutio, Punchline, Culdecpt, etc.

>>9704186
>>Only attention whores wear menhera
Isn't that true for all conspicuous J-fash? Explain your reasoning.

>>9704184
That's ironic then because the cosplay community and sewing/crafting communities are overwhelming female. The problem is that men support women in these hobbies and women support other women .

>>9704206
They're like people who bring up their mental illness in any conversation, but are even more in your face about it.
>true for all conspicuous J-fash
A lot of girls I know wear lolita or fairy kei but hate getting attention.

>>9704206
not that anon but let's be real, menhera is the physical manifestation of tumblrites who wave their (usually self-diagnosed) mental/chronic illnesses in everybody's faces

other j-fash doesn't have that same aspect. i mean, people might think i'm crazy or unwell for wearing lolita, but i'm not perpetuating that idea on purpose for attention.

>>9704232
Menhera is basically just generic pastel fashion but edgy and with occasional medical themes like pills or crosses, though. Unless you're seeking them out to talk about mental illness explicitly, it probably won't come up.
A lot of its wearers are into other styles like fairy kei and have severe anxiety around people noticing them, too (a trait that doesn't really fit when you're wearing any sort of alt fashion, but people are weird).

>>9703704
>>9703706
I know her and she's from Norcal, and went to FIT for school. She's a westerner.

>>9704245
>a trait that doesn't really fit when you're wearing any sort of alt fashion, but people are weird
I don't think it's weird. People can express themselves through fashion and hate the attention it brings them, because they prioritize their own wants above what people around them might say. It's not a bad way to deal with anxiety, actually, if the person in question perseveres and continues dressing up despite their anxiety.

>>9704245
What I get from seeing it is ''I take pills! See the suicidal anime child on my shirt!?''
It looks like the weeb version of pic related

>>9704185
Those people would nitpick her no matter if her cosplay was bought or handmade, so I don’t really get how that puts you off making your own cosplays.

>>9704258
It just means the wearer is an edgelord who likes the aesthetic 99% of the time (unless they're advertising actual types of pills like Stellasine or something).
In the same way, wearing Lolita doesn't necessarily mean you think you're an expert on European period clothing, you're an ageplayer (especially if you're wearing prints like Dreamy Baby, fucking ouch), or that you want to be a little girl from the Rococo era, and wearing goth fashion that involves harnesses, corsets and chokers doesn't really mean you're a BDSM freak who wants to show it to the world for attention.

>>9704212
And most importantly imo, men don’t support other men. Most hobby communities I’ve been into are pretty supportive all around, but then there’s cosplay where it’s almost like it’s taboo for a man to compliment, photograph or help out another male cosplayer. Are guys that afraid of being called gay? I don’t get it. You end up with a communty where women are expected to fill this void but they’ve already got enough on their plate with supporting other women, so they’re more selective in which male cosplayers they support and only a select few manage to rise to the top. I also don’t get why male cosplayers only look for support from the opposite sex, because it’s supposed to be about the craft and love of the source material and bringing your favorite characters to life, it’s not sex work.

>>9704273
What are you babbling on about? I don't care about what menhera means and what you think of sweet lolita prints, to me they look like attention whores worse than the people who can't stop pointing out their mental illnesses to people verbally

>>9704298
>wearing alt fashion is attention-whorey
Cool, good thing this is the unpopular opinion thread.

>>9704298
I didn't even talk about what menhera means, I just pointed out you're making a dumb distinction. Lolita, Menhera, Fairy Kei, EGA, goth - shit all looks attention whorey to a normie, and it's all based in aesthetics, not necessarily wanting to show off that you're mentally ill or whatever.
Weed is a culture, not a fashion, so you made a bad comparison there, too.

>>9704311
But I'm not a normie

>>9704316
I love alt fashion

>>9704305
I love alt fashion

>>9704311
I'm not a normie

>>9704316
You kinda are if you're operating from that logic.

>>9704318
See >>9704320

>>9704320
>have unpopular opinion about weeb emo fashion
must be a normie!!

>>9704322
>thinking one type of conspicuous, eye-catching edgy alt fashion is for attention whores but the rest somehow aren't at all because you personally know wearers who (claim to) hate attention
It's either brainlet or normie, anon.

>>9704327
Because it's not about the colors and stuff, it's about the anime girl literally cutting her wrists on their sweater

>>9704340
Some people just like a mix of cute things and dark things. You might as well complain about goth fashion having BDSM gear or paciifers on Lolita prints, like I said.

>>9704311
Menhera is literally about showing off or glorifying mental illness. The name comes from "mental health".

>>9703862
Also a lot of 18 year olds have acne.

>>9704358
Then you might as well say emo fashion is about showing off or glorifying emotional problems. It can be true because there is some overlap between legitimately sick people and what might draw them to creepy clothes and motifs, but it's generally more populated by people who just like how it looks. "Glorifying" is a bit of a stretch, too. I haven't seen anyone try to induce mental illness because they want to fit Menhera better.
Like most fashions, it's an aesthetic, not some sort of organization.

>>9704205
you and I? We're kin

>>9704245
>a trait that doesn't really fit when you're wearing any sort of alt fashion, but people are weird

Something I've noticed too, but as the saying goes "Confidence is Silent, Insecurity is Loud"

>>9704388
I think it might be because people who are shy or have social anxiety feel like they don’t have as many opportunities to express themselves. Everyone needs to be able to express themselves and what they’re feeling or going through, and to be fair clothing is a pretty passive way of doing that.

>>9704205
Hello friend

People place too much value on what japanese people think and do.

I know, we're weebs, we consume their media, our clothes come from there, and it's called "J"fashion for a reason, but the west has such a weird obsession with it, treating whatever the japanese standard is as a rule to be followed and/or a perfect ideal to be aimed for.

The japanese do their own thing when they're influenced by outside sources, and I see no reason why we shouldn't too. We have a different context, culture, market, etc, it's retarded to try and copypaste their crap in our context.

I'm talking about jfash and idol crap specifically, btw.

>>9704601
bravo anon!!!

>>9704601
this so much

>>9704273
>doesn't teally mean you're a BDSM freak who wants to show it to the wotld for attention.
I mean, if you're a fucking nugoth pussy, gtfo of my scene you fucking mop.

>>9704340
You obvs have no idea why menhera exists. That's ok, but you really should educate yourself, you sound super normie talking about it like you get it, but you really dont.

>>9704601
has anyone also noticed how asians who actually live in asia/don't speak english don't catch a lot of flak here for anything, but asians who live in the west/speak english are commonly targeted on /cgl/? i mean this mostly in regards to stuff like coord photos and editing, not personality. when we have inspo threads, everything that's posted that includes somebody asian from overseas is generally accepted... but the moment an asian from the western comm is recognized, people go batshit.

>>9702945
Id have to be under 100 lbs just to be close to that BMI ...

>>9704698
Yeah, the ED in me had a brief panic attack. Idk what this person is on

my opinion is that dreamy baby room isnt "the ageplay print" i hate that it gets such a bad rep just because it features baby toys. lots of ap prints have building blocks etc on them and i dont think that makes them suddenly sexual? anyone who immediately sees childhood items and thinks of sex has serious mental issues. step off my dream dress, we all hate ageplayers here, so why call an innocent ap dress ageplay

>>9704737
>anyone who immediately sees childhood items and thinks of sex has serious mental issues
seconding this. the lolitas who have a vendetta against toy prints/pastel sweet for being "ageplay" are the real pervs for sexualizing something innocent.

>>9702216
Sure, I'm sure a lot of people are on board with that - provided that people of colour only stick to their own races while cosplaying as well.

>>9702976
It's amazing how many "goth icons" just look like weird sad basement dwellers with Peter Pan complexes when they go out to do their shopping or run errands.

Sorry, after a certain age, it's not quirky, it's just kind of sad. Tragic in a "I hear she's still living at home selling arts and crafts on etsy" kind of way.

>>9704742
Reach a little harder, you're nearly to the moon.

On seeing toy themes, most people think: Why would an adult be into children's toys, children's prints, and dressing like a toddler?

Option 1: they're developmentally challenged

Option 2: they're into some weird shit

>>9704737
>adult woman
>dream dress is designed to look like a toddler's dress
>dream is to look like a grown woman wearing toddlers clothes
>"we all hate ageplayers here"

Yeah, sure.

>>9704774
>>9704777
>samefagging because you don't look cute in sweet
it's okay anon, no need to be bitter.

>>9704774
>>9704777
You guys must be pretty ugly to get flak from random normies irl for wearing toy prints.

>>9704780
Chances are, unless you are a tiny Asian chick with very pixie features, you don't look cute, you just look like some creepy woman who brought her creepy kink into the public.

>>9704783
>yfw i am a tiny asian chick with pixie features
i'm having a laugh over here

>>9704786
Then why are you getting your panties in a wad, girl? You're good to go. No one will think you're an ageplayer, they'll just instantly assume it's some weird Asian fashion and move on.

>>9704698
holy shit how tall are you?

>>9704791
>why are you getting your panties in a wad
my bloomers remained unbunched, but even though i'm in the "good demographic" for sweet i don't think anybody deserves to be called an ageplayer for wearing some AP toy print.

>>9704793
nayrtt but probably around 5 ft

>>9704794
Sorry, fashion doesn't exist in a vacuum. You have to be aware of what looks good on you, and what doesn't.

Whether a grown woman wearing toy prints is or isn't an ageplayer is irrelevant when she looks like an ageplayer.

And an ageplayer looks like an adult trying to look like a little kid.

>>9704799
can't tell if bait or serious

yes, some people look less good in sweet than others but labeling them with a gross sexual term isn't cute. it's easy enough to leave it at "that look doesn't suit her."

>>9704799
When was the last time you saw a child dressed like this?

>>9704803

>>9704805
that's... not even close? you just chose the first pastel children's dress you could find?

>>9704799
>>9704805
>implying a pastel colored dress = OTT all pastel coord
>implying adults can't wear colors
I'm so sorry for your sad, drab life, anon.

>>9704803
What kind of adult sees something like this and go, "Yeah, that's the look I'm going for-- Easter at grandma's!"

So, again, one assumes mental illness or bizarre deviancy because what adult wants to dress like a toddler.

>>9704806
Keep reaching, the reason you guys get so offended over how sweet looks like clothes for toddlers is because it hits a nerve. You know exactly what it looks like, and no amount of denial or threads on /cgl/ will change that.

>>9704808
>dress like a toddler
Again, you're implying adults can't wear pastels and saying that children dress like this. Please provide examples or stop talking out of your ass.

>>9704808
This too then, right?

>>9704806
Yes. Also just because appropos, in an google image search for "pastel toddler dress" this was on the first page http://holleyteatime.storenvy.com/collections/187655-dresses/products/10234194-pastel-party-blue-skater-dress-made-to-order

>>9702958
you sound 14 if you think 25 is old

>>9704812
More costumey if it makes you feel any better. The lack of sugary pink/blue, and the added flowers, kind of make it look Victorian, but it looks more like a costume.

You're okay anon, I'll be here for you if you need any further advice on not looking creepy.

>>9704814
>using holleyteatime as a legitimate comparison to lolita
you really do know nothing about the fashion, and nobody cares about the opinion of an outsider looking in

>>9704817
No idea what holleyteatime is but, again, not sweet nor into ageplay so a site that comes up in a google search for "pastel toddler dress" hasn't really come under my radar.

>>9704814
I searched that and got pages and pages of, well, children's dresses. Google caters your results to your search history and web browsing. Have something you'd like to admit?

>>9704817
(Also, if you didn't care about the opinion of outsiders, you wouldn't be getting so defensive when people say dressing in toy themes makes you look like a creepy ageplayer.)

>>9704816
oh so you aren't even a lolita

>>9704820
Wait, so have I never heard of holleyteatime and am ~an outsider~ or have I spent my time on google looking up holleyteatime for my pastel monstrosities?

>>9704823
>being so new you've never heard of holleyteatime
>seriously assuming I'm >>9704817

>>9704822
Must have missed the last update, are bonnets a requirement now or are some of us still allowed to not like OTT?

>>9704824
Honestly, the biweekly dramathon you guys seem to have in sweet just never interested me much. Why should I have heard of a store with such hideous designs?

>tfw i posted my unpopular opinion on dreamy baby room and left and it blew up
i still dont see anything that makes it any more "childish" than any other ap jsk. its an extremely basic dress, barely any details but a small yoke. the print isnt something you see on childrens clothing, its not princesses or cheeky phrases. children dont wear clothing with themes of dummies and prams on them. the reason i love the dress so much is because it reminds me of my daughters room, which i cant bare to take apart after miscarriage.
unless the wearer is going around with a diaper on, sucking their thumb, and eating glue theres nothing more ageplay about it than wearing a tshirt and leggings (what most toddlers wear! look at any childrens store. printed tshirt with elsa and colourful leggings.)

>>9704858
funny thing is after owning and wearing the dress ive NEVER been told off by a "normie" or called an ageplayer, anything of the sort. its always other lolitas attacking eachother over it
the more you call it ageplay the more people will associate it. what makes DBR any more ageplay than toy fantasy, dreamy dollhouse?

>>9704858
condolences anon. like what you like and wear it proudly.
(i also like toy prints because A) i'm a toy collector and B) they remind me of my grandparents who were also toy collectors)

>>9704859
funny story: the only time i've gotten a negative reaction while in DBR was from another lolita at a con. she said the print was too childish... but i was literally fourteen at the time.

meanwhile, only positive reactions from normies because they think i'm adorable.

>>9704737
Agree.
I'm not a fan of baby items in lolita and fairy kei but wearing it isn't ageplay

>>9704781
Ikr people say i look cute.

>>9704859
>its always other lolitas attacking eachother over it
This, or in the case of this board, it can also be non-lolitas trolling because they know they'll get a rise out of us with this bait.
On topic with this discussion and this thread (more on the vent side than unpopular opinion): I wish lolitas weren't so concerned with what people are saying about them. Is it rude and annoying when a stranger comes up to you and says inane things about what you're wearing? Yes, but there's no reason to make a big deal out of it.
Fact is that many normies are stupid - They see something out of the ordinary and their brain goes haywire trying to make sense of it, and when they react they do or say completely idiotic things out of impulse. It says nothing about you or what you're wearing and says a lot about the person reacting to you, and it's nothing to get upset about. I'm tired of hearing my comm members bitching about "fucking normies staring" at them when they're wearing some ridiculous OTT pink thing to go out for tea; either wear your frills and stop worrying so much or look for something else to do in your free time.

I know before I wore lolita, I 100% thought that sweet looked like weird baby clothes, especially when people wore bonnets. Now i'm desensitized, but I definitely see why people say that it makes you look like an ageplayer.

>>9704601
I think the West does have it's own culture about lolita. Compare the patterns in OnS, where tea length dresses and circle skirts are somewhat common, to conversations on RC where people ask if tea length dresses are lolita or if it's ever okay to not wear a blouse.

I know it's probably a popular opinion, but people who say they want to learn how to do something every time you see them but never do it. I know I suck at painting my nails and keeping them nice. I make fun of myself for it. I don't tell people I'm going to learn how to do nail art.

>>9704601
But most lolitas these days give 0 fucks about what the Japanese think. Otherwise pop lolita and steam lolita would've been added to the list of substyles at resource/help sites and they wouldn't be so confused/angry at neo lolita.

>>9704601
Also all of the ''just because a brand does it doesn't make it lolita'' and ''it's just clothes'' stuff is not how Japanese lolitas think

>>9704783
I'm a tiny white girl with pixie features. People think I'm halfu but I'm not. I'm just perfectly adorable.

>>9702958
Awww, you poor dear. You must have horrible sour milk, jowly white person genes for you to think 25 is old. As long as you aren't cursed with terrible genes and take care of yourself, it's pretty normal for 25 year olds to be able to pass for teens.

>>9702972
Wait, you don't like bangs?

>>9705167
I think they mean that at this point, lolitas should always have bangs.

>>9705179
Okay, that makes way more sense. I don't think that's really an unpopular opinion, though.

>>9705163
>people think i'm halfu but i'm not
why do white people brag about this? you're not asian and you never will be, lol.

>>9704783
It's ok anon given your personality you can still try bittersweet

>>9704212
What anon >>9704286 said men don't support other men. No matter how people feel social norms will continue to be social norms. It's like trying to find a guy who actually likes yaoi.

>>9704266
>Those people would nitpick her no matter if her cosplay was bought or handmade
Not really? I seen a lot of Taobao or bought cosplays with girls wearing them and nobody complained because they looked good. Meanwhile both the Makoto cosplay, which was hand made, and the Panther cosplay, which was also handmade, were both ridiculed and nitpicked for minor things such as the girl's boobs on Ann wasn't big enough or too big and the Makoto was black and how 'dare a black girl cosplay my waifu.' People complain more so if you did it yourself no matter how much effort you put into it than if you bought it. Looks are almost always important to people first.

Give me a good reason why I should make my own cosplay when I can just buy one and don't have to worry about being on /cgl/ because of it and still look good.

>>9705201
>a guy who actually likes yaoi.
Google fudanshi

>>9705212
>the Makoto was black and how 'dare a black girl cosplay my waifu.'
I seriously hate people, ugh.

>>9705347
Anon there's a difference between finding them and knowing they exist.

>>9705201
Gay men exist and like yaoi lol

>>9702945
>5'5"
>20
>BMI 12
Yay I can do it!

>>9705201
Yeah it’s not like these social norms are created by, like, people.

>>9705440
i used to have a 12 bmi. im sorry that youre going through whatever youre going through and i hope you get well soon

>>9704879
True. If you grow up in a culture that doesn't value cuteness in adults, then people might think someone that dresses cutesy is trying to be a child.

I do not care if people make their own cosplays or not, if it looks good that is really all that matters to me.
Menhera is so annoying and I'm sick of the edgelords who wear it. But menhera and uchuu are on the same level of tumblr bullshit.

I enjoy Menhera a lot, but I feel like I'm already jaded about it. I can't stand the attitude espoused by the western community at times.
Like one of the moderators of the fymenhera blog. She's this Austrian furry chick who never grew out of her 2009 scene days and has this very specific typing style that she somehow doesn't think is obvious. She's constantly sperging out or antagonizing people in the threads over one thing or another, and it's just annoying. She posts useful things sometimes, but also a lot of bullshit.
I also hate the way Tumblrites seem to latch onto it (either positively or negatively) and take the "mental" part a little bit too literally, the worst being when they screech at people for "glorifying mental illness". To them, you're not allowed to enjoy an aesthetic unless you are struggling, and even if you are struggling, you're still wrong/bad because you always have to make sure people know you're in pain, and you're never allowed to look cute or poke fun at it. Like, fuck off.
All I ever wanted was an aesthetic that mixes cuteness with guro and medical themes. It's not even a "new" thing in theory, and it has little to do with Tumblr culture (Junko Mizuno, Shintaro Kago, and Trevor Brown have been doing it since the 90s/early 2000s). It's just unfortunate that it started popularizing overseas while Tumblr was in both its "support the mentally ill uwu" and "kawaii guro!!1 fairy gore elfgutz dolls saccstry!!!! uwu" booms at the exact same time.

>>9702216
I believe if you are a nigger, you should make do with mud huts because real architecture is cultural appropriation

>>9702972
>"black and white polka dot pattern in fairy kei is cancer"
>what is spank kei

It's fun to see what people wear to events and stuff, but by far the kinds of coords I like seeing are everyday coords, the kind that people in CoF threads deem "boring" and say they don't want to see. I love seeing how people juxtapose lolita fashion with everyday wearability.

Also, I love solid tights and most of the time prefer them to printed tights. Printed tights look too busy most of the time imo.

>>9705720
I agree with this to some extent, except that I prefer lace-top OTKs to plain tights, or plain tights+peeking bloomers. I can see what gulls mean when they say that plain tights are too boring, though I suppose they're alright when coorded with a non-printed main piece.

Board purists are annoying.
It's ok to go a little off topic if you know you won't get the right help from other boards.

>>9704626
I agree. It's a common thing in media too.

>>9705388
What I'm saying is that it's rare af not that it doesn't exist. The social norm is that girls like yaoi and things like that. It's no different than people being surprised that women actually make ecchi, hentai, or even like hentai in the first place.

I hate people who go totally off topic to something unrelated to what was in the thread or even the board just because they are too lazy to find the answer or they want to start an argument.

Nobody cares about your hate boner for consoles on a bag thread.

fujos to male ruin cosplay

>>9705811
Agreed. I'm skeptical of any uwu gay trans man~~
If an ftm dates women I'm more likely to take it seriously. When they only date other fakebois or lust after men exclusively it's obvious they're just fujoshits rping.

>>9704799
>>9704803
>>9704808
I still can't see j-fashion as dressing like a toddler. Like idk where or when any of you grew up but I'm pretty sure most toddlers/little girls just wear like, denim overalls and stretchy cotton pants and lots of primary colors.

What kinda Mormon-ass Pinterest mom is dressing their little girls in lolita-esque clothing?

>>9705212
>>"Give me a good reason why I should make my own cosplay when I can just buy one and don't have to worry about being on /cgl/ because of it and still look good."
Preach. The only time I would make a cosplay is if I couldn't find one that already looked good. Otherwise why would I make something that already exists in good quality.

>>9704879
Same. Honestly I don’t mind too much, as long as people are realistic about it. And I understand getting annoyed when someone equates any kind of cuteness with children even if adult women used to wear the same thing, like peter pan collars or puff sleeves. But so many sweet lolitas in my comm wear dresses with baby toys on them, shop for accessories at the children’s section and carry around stuffed animals made for babies and then flip their shit whenever anyone makes any mention of children. Have some self-awareness, please.

I hate ouji. It looks ridiculous on men and only marginally better on women, and I don’t understand why so many lolitas cream their panties over every dopey motherfucker that posts to COF with trousers on. There’s only one woman who ever pulls it off and the rest looks awkward as hell. The oujis in my comm all think they’re hot shit despite looking like they’re wearing a cheap Halloween dandy outfit made to fit a dwarf.

>>9705880
Ouji only exists because men have to be included in everything. It's the same as with Mori boys and male nanchatte: nobody actually wears it, but if they didn't exist men would get butthurt.

>>9705899
Don't bother responding if you don't know what you're talking about.

>>9705880
i agree with all of this. there's this one male ouji in my comm who's particularly ridiculous and i dread going to meets because of him. he thinks he's hot shit and is really pompous/rude, when he's just a 4/10 guy with a receding hairline wearing a nice jacket... also he constantly begs for attention, does/says stupid and rude things, and then follows it up with "it was just for the memes." cancer.

>>9704879
seconding this, before I was into the fashion, I thought sweet was childish, in a creepy way, but nOT a sexual way. The fair middle ground is that it is not sexual, but it definitely can be childish..

I'm sorry but Dreamy Baby Room is 100% in a child/baby dress cut. I'm a nanny and I use to work in a daycare, and it is for sure a cut/outline I typically see in 8 month olds - 1 year olds clothing.

....also, the name is kind of a dead give away for the intent behind it.

>>9705899
I'm tired of radfems shitting up this place. Both Ouji/Kodona and Mori Boy were basically pioneered by girls who prefer looking boyish to looking girly.
The aesthetics do allow for men to join in, but they were never the focal point and it wasn't to "keep them from getting butthurt". Let's be real, men are kind of a minority in jfash, at least when it comes to the western community.

>>9705163
whatever you say halfu-chan

>>9705908
I agree with you about the childish thing. Lolitas who immediately connect it to sexual stuff skeeve me out though.

If you're Asian normies won't give you flack though, they'll just think it's some weird Japanese shit.

>>9705720
same, especially if the print of my dress is already pretty busy. I always feel the need to match them/ get the same brand too

>>9705918
>tfw asian and never get shit from normies
feelsgoodman. it's only lolitas who give me shit for wearing what i like, which is interesting. like, i personally am not a huge fan of dresses with classical paintings on them. but am i going to give someone shit for wearing something i don't like? nope. it just means our tastes differ. for some reason lolitas abandon that decency when it comes to sweet.

This might not be an unpopular opinion since this is /cgl/ but I like seeing itas my age (early 20's) simply because it makes me glad I'm past that phase and boosts my self esteem.

>>9705720
I don't like plain tights if they're paired with a print, but I think a good in between is those tights that are half sheer and half solid.

>>9705948
same. it's petty but i also enjoy that i have more burando/better coordinates than people older than me.

>>9705720
Personally I think a lot of the printed tights that go with a set look way too busy and cluttered. 9 times out of 10 it just looks ugly and detracts focus from your dress print.

I wear gothic so I find floral lace tights are perfect and so are department store tights that have some kind of decoration (vertical stripes, sparkles etc.) As long as they're well coordinated and aren't just the cheap dollar opaque tights from the supermarket, solid tights can look nice with casual coords too.

As long as they don't look and feel cheap, I think you can really wear all kinds of legwear as long as you know how to coordinate it. There's more out there than just OTT printed tights that match a dress set, and cheap solid tights. Maybe in sweet it's harder to find things but in classic and gothic there's a lot of options if you know where to look that can make an interesting coord. Who cares if people on CoF think you need to have a full set to not look 'boring'? OTT full sets all look the same after a while, that's boring.

>>9705953
printed tights/socks with a printed main-piece is really busy, not pleasant to look at

>>9705983
Which is why I said a good in between is tights that are sheer/solid, not printed.

>>9705948
>>9705955
I like when people's dream dresses are dresses I already own.

If I'm thinking about following or just followed someone on social media and see they have a patreon, i instantly unfollow and ignore them in the future. That shit is cancerous and completely unnecessary

>>9706001
Hard same

>>9704812
I'ts more of a " im ready for my funeral" kind of look It creeps me out, those hats are terrible

>>9705717
whatever kei it is, it looks terrible

>>9705720
>Also, I love solid tights and most of the time prefer them to printed tights. Printed tights look too busy most of the time imo.
100% agree, they're really distracting and no one takes the time to up-close look at someones legs

>>9702581
Gym is that a way
>>>/fit/

its hard to fin accessories specifically for lolita coords that look decent

I think all Jfashion is good and cute on internet but wear it daily is fucking cringe

>>9705908
if dreamy baby room is a childs shape dress then so are all dresses from those years because its super fucking generic AP. its literally jsk with a yoke. half their dresses still follow that formula. the op is just a short sleeve OP with a yoke, theres classic dresses the same shape that just happen to be grey or beige or whatever. still not a sex thing so i dont see a problem.

>>9706252
How so? Where have you been looking?

>>9706604
Thinking fun things are "cringey" stops being cool when you grow out of your high school awkwardness, assuming you grew out of it at all. Enjoy your boring life, I guess.

>>9702002
>if theyve never worn the fucking thing.
That's funny cause I feel like a lot of gulls don't actually wear the fashion.

>>9706618
True, but cgl is an open board on 4chan where anyone and everyone can post as long as they're within the age limit; not comparable to a lolita-specific group on facebook whose members can (and should) be screened.

>>9706110
it's a bonnet...

>>9704805
Just so you know, if this was an adult sized lolita dress, people would come out in droves to call that thing fucking ita.

Even putting that on a child is wrong. It's just hideous.

>>9706619
I was only bringing it up because many gulls insist they are full of good advice yet, it seems like hardly anyone here has an actual wardrobe.

But hey, keep calling people out even though you're literally just talking shit about people for the sake of being an asshole anonymously right?

>>9705968
>Personally I think a lot of the printed tights that go with a set look way too busy and cluttered. 9 times out of 10 it just looks ugly and detracts focus from your dress print.
It's so weird to me to see this opinion often when most burando looks include this type of socks/tights for full sets. Like it's clearly supposed to look busy.

If you don't like it, fine keep wearing plain tights, but I don't see any reason to give anyone hell for wearing a full set the way that they are meant to be worn.

>>9706627
Did you miss the part of my comment that said "true"? I'm agreeing with you in case you couldn't tell, just pointing out that this board and groups on facebook aren't really comparable.

>>9706629
Sorry, second half of my comment wasn't directed at you and was meant to be in general.

>>9706627
op here. maybe im just salty because i wear lolita almost daily. i know cgl isnt a reputable place for criticism so i guess its good i never asked for any! lol. i just think if a facebook group is dedicated to the fashion then there should be a strict system of vetting members. its ridiculous to have a facebook profile and say "no i wont send the mod a photo of my coord, im a lolita at heart and deserve to be here!"
fake lolitas gtfo

>>9706607
>so are all dresses from those years
Bingo.

>>9706643
>its good i never asked for any!
Most people who are posting to other sites before they are posted here are not asking for crit either.

Let's be real though. Facebook is for normies and that is who is there. Vetting is worthless because you'd have very few members because that's how few lolitas are actually there. The rest are all fakes. I was so fucking entertained when that girl in the Lifestyler thread insisted on making a FB comm. We all saw how well that went over.

Apparently there is another comm that does vetting and does in fact have way less members.

I hate the repetitiveness of this board in general.
I know, I know, I should probably leave if that is the case but I bring original shit to the table all the time as far as discussion goes and I just get shouted down with dumb memes.

and no, I will not go to Reddit.

>>9706604
Lol you probably think it's a costume.

>>9706734
What "original" things do you post?

>>9706734
some people on here repost entire image dumps

>>9701948
Honestly, I think casual coords need black or dark brown hair, and all good coords need a wig. Even casual jfash looks bad with light hair, unless it's gyaru.

>>9707364
>all good coords need a wig
not everyone has shit hair. people with shit hair need wigs.

>>9706845
I've posted discussion topics and open ended questions only be met with unnecessary back lash. I'm not going to give any examples because I'm not looking to get more criticism when people could just have a fucking discussion instead picking apart questions and inserting memes everywhere.

>>9702945
>5'11
time to kill myself, i guess

cotton candy shop is the cheap meme print that every new sweet owns but... i love it. i think people underestimate it a little. the print has so many cute details.

I really hate western fairy kei and spank kei. I've tried being in the international fairy kei fb group multiple times but always end up leaving it because it's trash. I'm tired of the cosplay wigs matched with obnoxious t-shirts of stolen art and a Forever21 skirt. Or the let's throw on everything pastel I have outfits. And let's not forget the endless etsy shops that all use the same basic resin molds or make the easiest things with those dollar tree plastic safety pins smacked on em.

Also give zero fucks to anyone who complains how "expensive" fairy kei is, its origins are literally Japanese girls coming to the US to shop at our thrift stores for all the cute shit nobody wanted.

>>9705905
>4/10
I'll take it.
It's always for the memes tho.

>>9707941
Yes

>>9708091
Agree, I hate all the posers that love Melanie Martinez, hot topic, 4ever21.
Even worse are the people that wear plain pastel t-shirts and blue jeans.
I hate all the sjws.
The scalpers.
The ugly decora

>>9702945
You must be white. White people age like mayonnaise.

>>9704601
You can apply this logic to many aspects of life in the anime/con community.

>>9708124
>Agree, I hate all the posers that love Melanie Martinez, hot topic, 4ever21.
>4ever21
Ok gramps.

I don't really understand when people say they've been harassed in lollita. I live in a city where alternative fashion is definitely not the norm (only like 500k people) and I've never gotten anything but good reactions. I feel like people who are worrying about harassment are too self-conscious.

I also don't get why people expect real lolitas to wear lolita very frequently. Most people have jobs where you can't wear lolita. Then on the weekends people might just want to relax and wear something comfortable.

>>9705918
>>I agree with you about the childish thing. Lolitas who immediately connect it to sexual stuff skeeve me out though.
Unfortunately since dd/lg is so popular, people are going to connect it with ageplay.

>>9708091
I don't hate it but none of the fairy kei coords I've seen on the fb group have captured the dreamy/fluffy look that inspired me to wear fairy kei.

>>9708216
It's called being lazy with your writing Dumbass.

>>9708216
>Implying anything besides Forever 21 is on trend
Sorry for your shit taste

>>9708264
You're lucky then, because I've had people follow me around and yell insults at me just for wearing a plain dress with IW printed tights, or RHS with an otherwise simple outfit. People can be assholes, and some places have more assholes than others.

I was into Lolita for arround 10 years, though I started wearing it arround 5 years ago, switching between Lolita and loliable/general kawaii shit for a while.
I stopped wearing Lolita some months ago, and I feel a lot fucking better now. For some reason I immediately stopped liking frills, lace and anything antique. I started disliking anything pastel or cute and I'm not into goth stuff at all anymore.
I started liking bolder, brighter colors, I cut and dyed my hair, I even got a tattoo on my leg and got more appreciation for high fashion and better made garments (not just taobao shit). In a way you could say I became a normie lmao. But since I grew out of lolita I've been questioning how many things I limited myself to do because I adored the fashion so much. Hell I'm even questioning my gender (yeah that sounds fucking cringy sorry). So my unpopular opinion are
>Lolita really limits your life, your choices and the things you are into, even your identity
>Lolita limits the way you behave and your friendships
>Lolita might not let you explore yourself/new ideas/things you always wanted to try
>It's admirable how Lolitas still have a meaningless commitment to it even if some of them "are rude and smoke weed and are camwhores"
Sorry for blogposting lmao. Pic unrelated

>>9708477
>Lolita really limits your life, your choices and the things you are into, even your identity
>Lolita limits the way you behave and your friendships
>Lolita might not let you explore yourself/new ideas/things you always wanted to try
I agree with this so much desu. I like to wear and try all types of styles, and I think it's ridiculous when people post shit like "w-well you're not a REAL lolita because you don't wear it every single second you have free time!!!!"
Like ok great, guess I'm not a REAL lolita then, but that's not going to stop me from wearing it when I like and not wearing it when I don't like.

>>9705905
...Texas?

>>9708483
yup...

>>9706734
Same. Its starting to not be interesting so much.

The threads I actually like just keep dying off and the ones with no substance keep appearing.

>>9708477
I don't know if this counts as an unpopular opinion as it is a very *personal* opinion. Most girls in my comm don't dedicate their entire lifestyle to lolita, and while I do (to some extent), I don't feel limited by it at all, quite the opposite actually.
I don't disagree with you because this does apply to some people which is frankly too bad; it's just a personal thing and presenting it like this, as if it's fact and applies to everyone and isn't just a result of your own self reflection, it's a bit of a reach.

Hannah Alexander is taking the piss these days. At the start she seemed like she was doing art for the love of it. Now she's just churning it out for the attention from cosplayers fanning over her.
Especially now she lets people vote on who she draws and it often being already over cosplayed characters.
You can tell she doesn't care for the art now and just wants the attention and people to cosplay her work.

Most artists are really grateful and appreciate cosplayers. I feel like she just expects it now.

>>9703063
THIS. Goth is a lifestyle as well as punk.

>>9704737
I bet you're the same poster from the lifestyle thread who referred to tea as "leaf water" and coffee as "bean juice"

>>9708861
Given that that's a real common (overused) joke, I doubt they are.

>>9708477
>Questioning gender
Unpopular opinion - this is bullshit.
Just be yourself. You're a girl who sometimes acts "boyish?" Congrats, that's called having a fucking personality. Why is it trendy to brand ourselves as with a myriad of different names like we're all potato chip flavors?

You're you. You're not a guy because you skateboard or buzz cut your hair, you're just not the stereotype you've created in your own head of how a "girl" is supposed to be.

T. A girl who skateboards, has a mohawk, and prefers action packed shonen to cheesy shoujo romance any day, BUT also enjoy wigging up and frilling down for tea parties with the comm. I'm sure there's some made up Tumblr term for my "gender" but fuck all that noise. I am me, I am an individual with my own unique quirks. Fuck boxing myself into some stupid lable. Don't have a Y chromosome? You're a girl. Not having traditional "girl" personality traits doesn't change that.

>B-but gender and sex are different!

That's like if I made up a term for mentally being another species.
>Well biologically I am a human but my Luxtor is canine because I'm most comfortable and myself when on all fours taking it from behind while wearing s collar

T. Someone who is wild about being on all fours in a collar taking it from behind.

Fuck you.

>>9708477
Lolita can be very limiting for certain kinds of people, but for others it's no more limiting than literally any other hobby or style of clothing.

If you make lolita your entire identity, and have your whole life revolve around the aesthetic, then yeah you're probably restricting yourself too much. But I, and every lolita I know, has a lot of stuff going on outside of wearing frilly dresses too.

Ultimately it's a you problem and not a problem with the fashion itself.

I love people for doing what they want to do may it be 'good' or 'bad' in other people's eyes. May it be jfash, cosplay, fursuits idc. Let people do their thing. Giving critique when asked for is cool tho

>>9708893
>getting this buttmad and typing all this from one little sentence
Hahaha chill out
You're far cringier than they are

>>9708913
I can understand anon being kind of triggered desu. When people on tumblr are literally stating that wearing pants and having short hair means you're actually a man.

>>9708893
Thank you.

>>9708926
>>9708913
NAYRT, but chill out. You have no idea what OP is actually thinking regarding their gender beyond its role in their feeling of lolita being limiting. Which.. it kind of is: it's very much based in traditional gender roles. As someone with short hair, I felt very uncomfortable trying to make my hair work in lolita, and it's part of the reason I no longer participate in the fashion.

>>9708893
Yikes you're an obnoxious person.

>>9708477

>lolita for 10 years
>better made garments (not just taobao shit)
>taobao shit
>lolita for 10 years

I don't know what to make of this. Especially since constantly comparing brand to taobao is what gave me a better appreciation for high fashion; once you spot the differences that makes up the price between taobao and brand, you honestly start looking for it everywhere, and then it's easier to see why high fashion is priced higher than normie or disposable fashion.

But good on you for getting out. It honestly sounds like you started too young and let your hobby dictate your entire life, instead of choosing a hobby that suited you in the first place.

>>9708861
i'm that anon and it was literally a joke

are you ok?

>>9701958
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>>9708861
nope. not me! sorry sam, i love tea

>>9701954
Where do you think people come to vent? Fucking presumptuous twat.

>>9704205
I hate the word unironic. What you fuckers mean to say is "seriously"

>>9706206
I like the semi-sheer tights/socks the other anon mentioned, in addition to LOVING embossed socks. There are not enough fun but boring embossed solid colored socks.

I kinda like Melanie Martinez. I don't think she's Lolita in the slightest, but I do believe she takes a lot of influence from J-fashion (specifically cult party kei, dolly kei and larme). She has a small face and big doe eyes that allow her to pull it off, too, which is rare for westerners (especially western celebrities).
I think the initial Cry Baby angle with ageplay-esque imagery basically turned her into a joke to anyone who's not a basic bitch or a dd/lger, which sucks because she definitely has an eye for art and aesthetics.
I don't know. I honestly can't hate somebody who takes influence from Mark Ryden and likes Hikari Shimoda.

>>9708508
are you new? cgl has always been rehashing the same shit every few months forever

>>9702002
I was actually really enjoying the new lifestyle group. Sure you can tell sometimes wich commenters and posters aren't lifestyle but the ones that are, are nice to engage with so I don't mind so much.
>>9702131 I cant believe we have been letting furries have a regular thread here. What happened to us gulls.
>>9703862
Adding to this, also have a disposable income to make there coords really great

Unpopular opinion: anyone who utters "make it in cosplay" are just cringey. There is nothing to make. Even if you get cos-famous for a couple of years before random drama BS drags you down, the only thing you get is pathetic affirmation from strangers in the form of 'likes'. And if you manage to make any money it is probably from being hot and cam whoring at wich point you should just go be a prostitute, the money is better and you will have less of an expense indent. Hell even do actual porn, you will get more of a following from that than cosplay will ever give you.

>>9704192
I just joined in on lolita social media groups, I have to agree. It really smacked me in the face just hiw bad most of them are. That being said, I feel many of the good ones don't share pics because being fab isnt a special occasion for them.
>>9704245
the origions of menhera comes basically from the japanese "mental healther", the whole style is directly tied to the theme of mental health and instability. Sure tumbl tards obscure the meaning with their dumb pastel vomit crap, but the pill iconography are litterally "happy pill's", the oversized cuts are supposed to make you look deathly anorexic, or like you are obscuring self harm, and the cute colours and imagery romanticises it. In japan it is supposed to be confrontational in a society where talking mental health is essentially taboo, everywhere else it is an outward expression for the self-diagnosed to gain negative attention; fullfulling their victem complex.

>>9709458
Sage because I am a dumb ass and aome how missed the whole second half of this thread.... And in the process repeated everything that had already been said. Like a dumbass.

>>9702131
I love mori girl but I'm fully aware the fashion is just outright not a thing anymore. Not too much of a shame considering it looked more like bag lady kei because people often took the layering thing too far. Pic related is what I consider good mori style.

These days I prefer the girly jfash generals because I'm fond of super feminine clothes that don't fall under a specific label.

>>9701948
Lolita is dying and it has about 3-5 years left.

>>9709458
>everywhere else it is an outward expression for the self-diagnosed to gain negative attention; fullfulling their victem complex.
People don't see pic related and think "That girl must have self-diagnosed BPD and is going out of her way to make people know about it by wearing a pink sweater with a blood bag on it and thigh-highs with a stitch design!!" (or at least not more than they would for any girl with unnaturally colored hair and/or an out-there sense of style), they'll think "I guess this is one of them "alt" people or Harajuku kids. Not my taste. Stockings look a bit gruesome, reminds me of some zombie Halloween stuff." That, "How cute!" or "Thigh-highs are sexy".

>>9709470
Yay cheap brand.

I love pastel goth, soft grunge, pastel hair and bittersweet....

>>9706252
From high street shops? Well... of course not? I'm not sure what you mean when there are so many places that sell accessories.

>>9706604
how are you supposed to put it on the internet if you don't wear it? I'm not buying $300 dresses just to take instagram photos.

Most people on cgl are way too fat for what they are trying to cosplay as

>>9708936
Thank you. I'm op and I've had gender dysphoria since I was pretty young and Lolita justade it worse. That's what I was trying to say. I don't want to continue this conversation so sage lol

>>9709612
Still a disgusting tranny

I really don't like the materialistic culture of this hobby. It seems like blowing hundreds or even thousands of dollars on dresses even though your finances are marginal is accepted and even encouraged here. I understand adults can do whatever they want with their money but it doesn't seem like buying whatever you want is the sound answer. I question how many people here have no debt as well as adequate savings (including for retirement).

I feel like the amount of people who complain about conlitas probably has something to do with them wanting to justify the money they've spent on their hobby.

>>9708477
Why the fuck are you letting a hobby/clothing style dictate your life? No wonder you got sick of Lolita.

>>9709612
I have no fucking idea why you would get into lolita if you have gender dysphoria. Just sounds like a dumbass move.

>>9708477
If you just don't enjoy it anymore that's up to you, but of course you're going to get fucking sick of it if you force yourself to wear it when you don't want to and don't even like frilly stuff. The fashion doesn't limit anyone's life, you limit your own. Lolita is empowering for most. It's only limiting for the select few who pretend to be someone their not, and if it weren't for lolita they'd probably be pretending to be something else. No one cares that you decided to become some genderflake normie, but don't discredit the fashion for your own mistakes and identity crisis.

I'm not just talking about you either. This a;so goes for all the wannabe efamous lolitas that make out that they're lifestylers but then sell their whole wardrobe and diss the fashion the second they get criticised on btb or /cgl/

I think if people get caught up in wanting to be a lifestyler and end up resenting the fashion that's their own fault. If you have too thin of a skin to think for yourself and are more hung up on being a 'real lolita' by some salty gull standards than actually enjoying the fashion, that is not the fashion's fault. If you don't really love lolita but force it to be your whole life only to resent it in the long run, that's on you. Same goes for if you care more about calling yourself a lifestyler than enjoying the fashion and then grow to resent it. Lolita is about dressing for yourself and expressing yourself, if you don't want to wear it just stop. But don't throw the fashion under the bus, it isn't limiting anything that you wouldn't be already. Chances are you'd just be pretending to be someone else. Lolita isn't some big bad frilly demon that forces you to dress a certain way. Learn to think for yourself.

>>9709802
All of this.

I'm tired of "ageplay" being the new go-to cgl insult. Anytime a less than perfect sweet coordinate is posted on the CoF thread the ageplay accusations start being thrown out left and right. What do we gain from accusing randoms of being ageplayers because we don't like how they wear the fashion?

>>9706628
they posted that in an unpopular opinions thread. This one. The thread in which we are posting.

>>9709566
KEK
Anon, that’s not an unpopular opinion

>>9709977
So? I'm discussing their opinions.

>>9709850
Seriously. People here like to talk about how this place isn't a hivemind but everyone sure does like to fall on the same old crutch of an insult.

>>9702958
You can dress in any alt fashion if you do it with respect to your own age. Many times an old person (above 25yo according to you) looks better than a young one because of research, money and trial and fail.

Chess Chocolate is the worst thing Angelic Pretty has ever done. It could be coorded well and I'd still fuckin' hate it.

>>9710181
You take that back

My thing is that all yellow dresses look ageplay to me. Ageplay peepee yellow. Won't catch me in one of those.

>>9710175
im a sweet lolita now but if my hair goes white in my old age im going romantic goth like this
and my husband will hate it, and when he dies under mysterious circumstances ill have trouble deciding which mourning veil to wear that day

>>9710200
I hate all mustard or dark yellow. tartan and plaid yellow dresses are the ugliest.

>>9710181
Not Queen Chocolate? That thing is a monstrosity.

>>9710237
>not having a man that likes both

>>9710129
if they're posting it here then they've already heard the points of the other side. Empasis on u n p o p u l a r

>>9701948
Cos-thots are a net benefit to the community because they motivate male nerds to improve themselves.

>>9710266
Here's my unpopular opinion:

People like you are a fucking drag and it must be hell on earth to be friends with someone like you. I can't fathom having to put up with someone like you on a regular basis. People like you are fucking annoying and wreck this board with your repetitive dullard comments.

Feel free to discuss my opinion.

>>9705352
Not a female so it probably matters less, but my introduction to cosplay was through a group of people that laughed at the idea of me cosplaying pretty much anything I wanted to because face is too negroid to be compatible with about 90% of anything unmasked. I'm looking to do a masked cosplay this summer though.

Growing up I was already sort of racially insecure, but the that being my first exposure cosplay community makes me feel worse than IRL since moving out of my home town. I get pretty discouraged from most designs that catch my interest because I can only think how ugly and unfitting I'd look, and I get very paranoid thinking everyone else is just thinking how I'm a pathetic self-hating black playing pretend as a pretty race.

I mean, I know that's all unrealistic, but it just makes me too uncomfortable to do anything that isn't masked/concealing most of my skin.

>>9710289
Factually incorrect.

>>9710299
I'm sorry, anon, that's awful. I hope one day you feel more confident and do what makes you happy, and surround yourself with people who support you.

>>9709850
Agreed. The whole "sweet is ageplay xD" meme is absolutely retarded. It's thrown around way too much to the point where I sigh whenever I see it and I don't even wear sweet to begin with.

Almost all ouji look more costumey than any lolita

>>9710299
This is the first time after being trenched in HP Lovecraft that I've read 'negroid' in a sentence.
Jesus anon, have some sense of self worth.

I , brolita!

>>9710365
I like the concept of ouji but feel like it looks awful on real people. I do like it on dolls though.

>>9708893
I like you

>>9709458
The whole style is centered on the juxtaposition of cuteness and negativity. I think, in the U.S. and Europe, the theme of physical health and mental illness is just the most popular theme. You do have some prints that are more obscurely negative such as those alluding to social media, 'May sickness', or even romantic or sexual issues such as that seen in Sugarless' work. It does include negativity that those who aren't necessarily 'sick' can relate to if you look.

The oversize clothing is suppose to be comfortable. It also serves a practical purpose. Large art prints work better on unisex clothing then a baby doll tee. It's not to make you look anorexic or like you are obscuring self-harm.

There's still a lot of stigma in the U.S., for example, if you look to real life instead of basing something off what teenagers do on Tumblr. That stigma is just more prevalent in Japan. I dunno',I agree the style isn't for everyone, but I don't want people to think it's purely about mental illness and looking like an anorexic cutter.

>>9711930
This! Those selfie shirts were so cool and I'm kind of amazed by the selfie sickness thing now.

>>9708893
righteous, and true.

It's hilarious how people fail to realize that they are actually making gender roles more defined and strict.
You like dresses and makeup? Sorry, boys can't like that, you're either non-binary or trans now.

so fucking backwards

one of my friends did a genderbend cosplay once and decided afterwards that she couldn't be a girl because she liked having short hair and wearing boys clothes..

>>9711930
It's seriously because of posts like that anon's that I'm glad Menhera probably won't get mainstream media spotlight like Lolita does, ever.
If even seagulls don't "get it", imagine what the media will have to say once they find out Menhera stands for "mental healther"?

>>9702524
Fake news

>>9705185
It's true

>>9701972
I still like of a lot of these people, but yeah I agree with you. It's so frustrating to spend time on crafting/styling/diet and these people can just order things and get a lot of phrase for their work.
Megan Coffe is a good example of this. I think she's so beautiful but everything she does just seems very promo... her modeling experience works for a lot of the characters she does but it's starting to look same face. She brings no personality to some of the characters she dresses as but she's still really popular. I think a lot of the characters are just sent to her by the websites for advertisement/free photos though...