/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9694745
here are some scans for you gulls of the newest releases

>>9694751

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>>9694751
mmmmmm that old school tartan meets modern styling

>>9694764

>>9694769

>>9694769
bonus pic of the wedding dress

Does it come with patterns? I literally just placed an order, should have come here before, ugh...

>>9694776
Hey, no matter what that qpot makeup bag is cute af. I'm almost ordering it just for that

>>9694780
nayrt but thats why I'm ordering it.

>>9694780
It's really cute, but I don't have enough courage to use those... I keep them stored forever to preserve the cuteness instead of going through the risk of staining the with makeup. (did the same with the cute strawberry bag that came with MELT 00)

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>>9694771
tfw I'll never buy first hand JetJ

>>9694745
Did you not read the catalog before starting a new thread? >>9694591

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>>9694784
That's a shame, because I've been using my MELT bag for makeup and holy jesus is it convenient to have a makeup bag with a strap (I travel all the time and if my bag gets too full I can just wear it. bonus: it's extra cute).

I'll likely use the Qpot bag for pens or something at work, though. It's one that's normie friendly while still being adorable

>>9694789
I did and I refreshed the minute before submitted to make sure and there was no thread, so sorry if someone made one the same moment I did?

>>9694794

>>9694789
lol sorry everyone ignored ur thread

>>9694784
I have the melt bag too. It's really cute, but I'm just glad the little extras that come with mooks are cheap on the japanese secondhand market. I'm considering getting another just to admire

>>9694791
this looks like hot garbage.

>>9694814
I'd just call it "meh." nothing too interesting, pretty normie. love the colors, though and could use the pieces in casual coordinates

Is this a separate publication from melt? Or are we just going to keep getting random magazines that have some sort of variation on a 4 letter word beginning with M?

>>9694814
>>9694820

Not a fan of MILK but I'm digging those five strap heels. I need more straps in my life.

>>9694796

Gosh I love Pink House style. I got one of their somewhat similar aesthetic brands and it's so pretty and retro and on point.

>>9694820
if thats casual lolita, then sweatpants and a wifebeater is business casual

>>9694827
>what does "pieces" mean

>>9694828
both pieces are garbo.

>>9694832
Dude it's literally your run-of-the-mill casual skirt with some bunnies on it in grey.

>>9694837
d u m p s t e r f o o d

>>9694832

>>9694841
Same

>>9694821

I've been wondering this myself. Maybe Eternita, Melt and Miel are all the same magazines with some identity crisis going on.

>>9694755
What does everyone think about the high bangs in the second photo? I've always wanted to try it out, but I'm not sure if I could pull it off.

>>9694769
Oh wow guys, it's only $450!

>>9694864
lmfao

Does anyone know how long Haenuli takes to manufacture/ship out preorders? Bought that moon dress a month ago but their site / social media hasn't really said much since the order window closed.

>>9694774
Holy shit what brand is this, how much, and does it have tit shirring in the back?

>>9694864
hey man thats a bargain, Thats like... a single pair of AP shoes

>>9694901
What fucking AP shoes are you looking at that cost that much? That's like 2 pairs of shoes.

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>>9694791
I hope thelse shoes come in black

>>9694858
I want to try them too. Let's do it together, anon.

>>9694745
I saw Risa in the OP and immediately thought this was a new Larme thread. I looked at >>9694751 and was about to post "Huh, looks like things are taking on more of a Lolita influence now".

Does anyone know if the Black Friday price for LM only affects the buy it now? or does the big get a discount too? I ask because I was going to purchase an item via the bid when it ended the other day, but the seller added it to the BF shit a day before it ended, thus increasing the time. I still kinda want the item I think... the main reason I've been holding off on actually placing a bid is that the shipping is pretty up there... and who knows, I might actually find something I want more by the time the auction ends, so I kinda want to keep my options open in case something like that happens.

ANYWAY, I heard the discount has to be at least 10%, but is that for the bid and buy it now? if I place a bid right now, will that bar me from getting a BF discount on bidding?

>>9694907
Is this a new sales tactic?
"You have the honor of not paying 2, but FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS for these extra special pair of boots!"

>>9694755
That pink blouse in the last photo (under pink JSK). Genuinely hope it comes in black or a darker color because I'm in love

I don't know where else to post this but I had the misfortune of buying this for way too much when I was a young and clueless weeb, do I have any chance of selling this travesty or should I just give up?

>>9694858
>>9694914
Try curling/pinning yours under to that length and see if it flatters your face shape first. It could look good, but it's also difficult to pull off for some people!

>>9694957
I have honestly seen worse sell on LM, so who knows.

>>9694957
Try eBay and see where it gets you

>>9694794
Nayrt, but
>3 hours difference
>same moment

>>9694864
That's pretty good for JetJ. Have you seen their prices for simpler dresses?

How does a gothic lolita do a Christmas meet/co-ord, help

>>9694967

>>9694974
Religious themes are pretty christmas, right?

>>9694774

....Goddamn, JetJ killing it at bridal dresses. I was prepapred for a horrible lacemonster a la btssb but this, this is actually gorgeous.

Fuck that price though. I'll just weep at it from afar.

For some reason I thought Misako didn’t model for AP?

>>9694926
Yes it will. Wait until Black Friday or send the seller a message

>>9694979
I feel like so much of a goth wardrobe is already so religious that doing another religious coord is kind of expected. Something actually christmas-y but goth is what I'm aiming for.

>>9694974

I've always wondered if Moitie's jewellery print is a Christmas print, it even comes in red or green, just add some little red accent to the green dress (or green accent to the red dress) and it'll look Christmassy. Actually, even if you don't have the Jewellery print you could probably use any other solid (wine/bordeaux) red or green and do the same.

Another option is to go the kurololita route and simply add whatever you can find that’s in theme, black and doesn’t clash. So you can add a square-ish black bag with a large bow on it (to look like a Christmas gift box), put some black star-shaped clips in your hair, etc. Just don’t go all in, keep to the simpler streamlined black gothic dresses so the “present box” bag and the star clips have a chance to stand out (they kind of get lost in the typical sweet kurololita outfit where everything else is also fluffy and has a billion bows and also hearts on them)

If you have striped stuff, you could also do something sort of Nightmare before Christmas-inspired, maybe throw together a Jack Skellington-ish coord and then add something a little Santa-ish, like some santa hat jewellery, carry a “present box” handbag.

Or, if you’re really out of ideas, I’d just go with adding something like poinsettia or holly accent (say, a hair pin, a brooch, maybe a headband) and just leave it at that.

>>9694864
450 and wont fit my titties? sold aaaand returned.

>>9694957
ill buy it if you post it on lacemarket

>>9694796
Nu-mori girl?

>>9694994
thanks anon!

>>9694974
Have you considered using a sweeter print in a gothic theme? Something like red velvet, like radiant candle light

>>9694957
throw it away.

>>9694993
she models for whoever hires her, she doesnt have an exclusive contract

>>9695058
Really? I thought she had to be loyal to BTSSB, AATP and Putumayo. Like, don't work for the competitor.

>>9694974
Gold, angels, crosses, chandeliers?

>>9695059
???? no ???? haven't you seen her leur getter shoots? She even modelled for soufflesong. when you are as famous as her the brands come to her.

from rufflechat

what happened there

>>9695086
To be honest I don't follow her as much as I used to, but somehow I remember someone saying she couldn't model for AP because of BTSSB some years ago. But good for her!

>>9695092
even back in my scene weeb days i wouldnt have worn converse with lolita, and i had the knee high kind

>>9694974
Wear it like Mana intended

>>9694864
actually it's $4500 (450,000 yen)

>>9695120

Whooosh.

>>9694752
Damn I want this Rapunzel dress so badly but it wont fit my boobs and I'm poor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_g2XDSRlUg
why do people like this exist

>>9694745
Why did you make it another general? Can we just use this thread for Miel and the first lolita general like normal?

>>9695136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJjli-JIqtA
theyre both just too damn big to wear the fashion
also the way this one speaks is absolutely abhorrent "i know you dont like angelic pretty watch this video" of course she doesnt like it, they dont cater to people the size of 6 girls

>>9694821
>>9694847
Melt has nothing to do with Miel. The ex-editor of GLB created Eternita (which flopped) and now created Miel. She also works on jabberwocky.tokyo

>>9694966
She just wanted to make her own

>>9695043
No

>>9695094
Don't believe that kind of stuff without source

>>9695138
You don’t really understand how generals work, do you?

>>9695154
>>9695154
I thought OP didn't get it, because they made a new general for Miel when there was a new one already here >>9694591

>>9695155
Yes, OP shouldn’t make a new one If there’s already one there, but it’s not just a thread for miel, it’s a general. Lurk moar

>>9695156
You should come up with a new meme. I was making a suggestion because last time this happened both generals stayed around so they were both extra slow. If this was any other board I'd expect the mods to delete the wrong one but here we are.

>>9695159
Survival of the fittest

>>9694960
I've tried that bit it never looks accurate, like you can tell it's super fake. Maybe I'll just shoop it or cut my clip in to test it out.

How much are these worth?

>>9695159
>they were both extra slow
no, no one used the other one; it has literally four replies. sucks that your general didn't get used, suck it up

>>9694882
They usually give you a timeline on the preorder album or LJ post

>>9695239
Nayrt, but stop assuming it's the anon that created the unused general that is complaining about cgls stupidity.

there are literally like 6 different posts asking about replica shoes in the FB groups GTFO there are bigger problems in life

>>9694960
I've also tried this, but it doesn't work. Maybe my bangs are too long at the moment.

>>9695239
>not understanding she was talking about a situation in the past

>>9695136
>>9695139
Ugh. Why are they talking about something they don't even wear (properly) and have no clue about?
The wig of the first is bad but the hair of the second girl is atrocious. She probably doesn't like AP just because it doesn't fit her lol

>>9694752
She looks so fat in the third picture

>>9694768
how is that old school in any way

>>9694751
The sheglit stuff is ugly but I love the Rosa Bianca!!

>>9695163
Memes make people seem like they have weak brains. Not exactly the fittest.

>>9695250
She doesn't look fat at all. What are you smoking, anon?

Reposting from the last thread:

Gulls who participated in GLISH last year, what was your experience like? Did you make any new friends? Have fun?

So, did anyone actually buy MIEL? I wanted to know if it comes with sewing patterns like Eternita.

>>9694791
... Are those shoes 34000 yen? Are they made of unicorn leather? I've paid less for Alexander McQueen sandals

>>9694926
It's for both, I can't justify discounting some of my things because of how much it would reduce it. And yes, you have to do at least 10% off on both. Nothing stopping anyone from editing the price and then reducing, though. I just don't feel like it

>>9695234
50? Not appropriate for lolita or most j-fash

>>9695266
Do you think shoes should be priced based on how famous the brand is?

>>9695262
Idk, it's going to flop harder than Eternita

>>9695258
She's wearing a corset or something and yet her waist and boobs are nearly the same?

>>9695248
Oh, definitely. I don’t care for AP at all which is why I don’t pay any attention to it, let alone make videos whining about it. They’re like those immature guys who get rejected by a girl and then go on for ages about how she’s totally ugly and a bitch and they never wanted to date her anyway!!!1 These girls had their fat asses rejected by AP and now they’re bitter buttbabies.

Is anyone getting the new Otome No Sewing book? Not sure if it’ll be worth it yet.

>>9695266
>Sandals = shoes

>>9695234
The only ones worth anything are the platforms

Anyone know where to get Buccellati-tier jewelry for gothic lolita? Doesn't have to be from a Japanese brand

>>9695278
No but who TF would pay 34k yen for MILK shoes

>>9695324
I would

>>9695324
I would. Milk is one of my favorite brands.
They're generally very good quality, have unique designs/aesthetic, and are comfortable to wear.
A few hundred dollars is nothing when it comes to shoes.

>>9695324
If theyre leather ya I would

>>9695120
sounds more realistic.
A floor length wedding dress with a shit-ton of lace and flowers, by JetJ? 450 would have been a steal.

>>9695336
Ok, fuck me, I only got the joke after hitting enter.

I think the lolita community should abandon facebook. There are other platforms that work. Lolitas go on facebook because it's what most people use, so there is most activity. But there are too many people who do not wear lolita in the lolita groups (not just talking about CoF and RC) and they are pretty active with commenting despite their never-ending ignorance and lack of interest in actually buying the clothes and putting them on.

>>9695296
What? Those aren’t sandals.

>>9695344
Those issues are prevalent on all platforms though. It's up to moderators to enforce rules and be stricter with their membership criteria. Of course this is easier said than done, especially when communities grow.

>>9695344
That's not an issue unique to Facebook. Just look at the lolita amino group, you can't throw a cat without hitting 10 people who just lurk or try to participate without wearing the fashion. You're going to get it in any online community so long as wearing lolita isn't a requirement for entry. There is/was an adult egl animo group, and they required 3 coords from new members or they'd get kicked, but sadly that group is dead due to being so small compared to the larger lolita amino.

>>9695361
>>9695362
There are millions of people using facebook every day who are in a lot of groups they shouldn't really be in, but it's so easy and convenient to be. Weebs are in cosplay and lolita groups even though they don't do those things, normies are in fashion and book club books even though they've never been to one of the book club meetings etc.

>>9695344
You know how bad Discord is? It's bad. The restrictions to joining EGL Discord is worse than joining the Facebook groups.

Have a bad reputation? Sorry can't get in.
You just started getting into lolita and don't have any dresses? Sorry you can't get in because you don't have 3 coords done.
Brolita? Sorry this fashion is for women only.
Only know Krad Lanrete? Sorry, you need to know Japanese brands. Chinese brands don't count.
Chinese? Sorry you can't get in because you're ruining lolita fashion.

>>9695295
I bought it. Shall arrive in 15 days.

>>9695361
>>9695362
There are millions of people using facebook every day who are in a lot of groups they shouldn't really be in, but it's so easy and convenient to be. Normies are in book club groups even though they've never been to one of the book club meetings, weebs are in jfashion groups even though they never intend to wear it. Other (less popular) platforms have much less of that because those people don't make accounts unless all their friends are on it. Why do you think so many SJW are on tumblr, facebook, insta and snapchat but not here? I don't know about animo because I'm not a teenager but I'd much prefer a small slow-activity group over a group with people who don't know what OTT stands for.

>>9695344
The amount of new people flooding the fb groups is killing the vibe.Everyone asking a billion questions, people should learn to lurk more or do some research. newbies responding to newbies just propels the misinformation and lowers the quality of the content. why the sudden influx? was it the kelly eden video?

>>9695385
It got dumb on starting on Sunday when someone started a thread about floor length lolita dresses. Ever since then it got dumber.

>was it the kelly eden video?

That's what I think. Kelly Eden's video followed by LWLN's and Loveylor's take on the matter got a lot of lolitas talking again. Everyone seemed upset and pissed.

>>9695385
I think people like the idea of it but can’t imagine themselves wearing it on their own, or don’t know the cost/time that goes into the fashion. I had a friend bug me for ages about it, I took her to a meet, gifted her some of my older stuff, but she still complained that for her to get anything new it was too much money, and she couldn’t be bothered to read the blogs I sent her so she never really knew much about it. I think a lot of people are like that with hobbies and never properly get into it, judging by activity on other Facebook groups.

>>9695380
Someone is salty they didn't get into the discord. It's not nearly as strict as you are pretending it to be.

>>9695380
most of these are false.

>>9694957
Seconding other anon suggesting ebay, or you can sell it as a "lolita cosplay" or something in some weeb fb group. There are also fb groups for replicas and offbrand which are teaming with itas who will buy just about anything.

>>9695360
Sorry, that was poorly phrased. They were complaining that designer sandals cost the same as proper shoes from an indie company, when they felt that designer sandals should be much more. Which is absurd, since sandals are always cheaper.

>>9695380
That sounds pretty good, actually. Better than a FB group full of cosplayers and sissies.

>>9695301
I barely dare to look at jewellery at the pricerange listed on google for Buccellati so I can't give you any brands, but hit up your local auction houses for historical jewellery

>>9695399
I know a few people like that too, but they never really got involved with any groups because they know it's not a serious thing for them. What I don't get is these people who can't be bothered to do any research, don't actually care about getting it right and don't want to spend any money on it at all who join communities dedicated to the hobby and then post all over even though they have no idea what they're talking about and have nothing of value to add. My local comm is currently dealing with some people who
>don't even attempt to read the community FAQ or guidebook and treat the comm like their personal Google instead
>spread bullshit rumors (did u know Japanese brands hate fat people and only make dresses with 55cm waists??) and brush off anyone who politely tries to correct them
>whine about AliExpress being too expensive and Taobao being too complicated (and don’t even mention those elitist Japanese brands!)
>ask for advice and immediately reject all of it because it's too hard/too expensive/doesn't suit their ~personal style~
>post stories and selfies that have nothing to do with lolita and then get pissy when people wonder why these were posted in a lolita group
Why are they here? Why join a group for a hobby you don't actually seem to care about and then get upset with people who do? What did they expect? With some of them I almost feel like they're so bored with their lives that they're looking for something to get indignant over and feel oppressed by. Some of the recent RC posts definitely feel like fishing for controversy, like the one about hating plus-sized people or the one about old prints supposedly being taboo. Where did they even get that from? Anyone who's been into lolita for five minutes knows that some of the most sought-after status symbol dresses are many years old.

I don't want to be that person crying about casuals, but seriously casuals gtfo!

>>9695466
I think it's people expecting every group (especially groups for niche interests) to basically be an all-accepting group of friends who won't reject them for the fact they don't actually participate in the hobby the group is dedicated to; for some reason they fail to grasp the concept of niche interest groups to actually be focused on said niche interest.
Every once in a while we get people who never interact with our comm loudly complain about how we're "lolitists" because our meetups have dress codes.
>i love lolita but can't wear it because it's expensive
>you only care about burando
>wah why can't i come to your meetup wearing jeans
Fuck these people, seriously.

>>9695362
>>9695385
There's a really good article about this. It's called like the death of subculture or something; I'll find it when I'm back at my computer.

>>9695466
Those people are into social media. Don't underestimate the amount of people who check facebook every hour of the day.

>>9695279
1. Corset is the second picture, not the third.
2. In case you weren't aware, plenty of asians and thin people don't have super defined waists or a lot of difference between their bust and waist measurements.
3. The corset is more for visual than effect.

>>9695489
I think I've read that article, and it's absolute nonsense. The one about how the internet existing ruins things because people know about them?

>>9695489
Woops! So I was way off on the title and had confused it with another, but here is the article:
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

I think you can definitely see some of this in the community.

>>9695380
Yeah that sounds pretty good. Tempted to join it now

>>9695466
>>9695487
These people make me scrunch up my face every single time. God.
They have no excuse if they're not truly poor IRL, they're just not invested enough. I started in 2006 and now you have so so many ressources available on the internet AND brand pieces available for very reasonable prices,there's no excuse

>>9695380
>bad rep
tru
>newbie
sorta
>brolita
false
>taobao
super false, everyone here loves taobao
>chinese
also super false

sorry you have a shitty reputation!

>>9695557
People always seem to want to belong to something, even if they aren't actually part of it. Lolita is cute and interesting and attracts people because of that, and people want to talk about their love of the fashion, which I think is fine... it just sucks when it's mostly """lolitas""" at heart rather than people actually involved in the fashion.

You learn a lot by reading and researching, but so much more by doing.

>>9695498
That was not the article I was talking about, but somehow it's worse

>>9695560
>everyone here loves taobao
I don't want to be a part of that

>>9695557
That's the thing, they don't care to actually put an effort into it or even try it at all. One might even assume they're looking for something to be offended by. Like >>9695564 said they just want to belong to something, and they feel personally attacked when a community dedicated to a certain fashion style has a dress code they can't/don't want to/are too lazy to follow. The fact they expect lolitas to be elitist meanies like the internet told them only makes their inevitable butthurt worse.

>>9694974
Last year the theme for our winter old was Victorian Christmas, maybe you could do a more Victorian theme?

>>9695144
thanks for this info, anon!

How do I join the discord?

>>9695557
>>9695487
>>9695466
Bless all of you and your opinions. My comm is great and doesn’t have these problems but holy shit I get ruffled seeing losers like this on fb/amino/cgl/whatever

>>9695498
This was definitely written by some loser who lives in a basement and has no real friends. Probably because his my little pony group got some girls in it or something.

If you subscribe to this thinking, delete yourself irl.

>>9695408
Not really, designer sandals can get very expensive. That was me and they are platforms heels sandals made of high quality Italian leather, not beach thongs or cheap shit like that. Much more hardware than the milk shoes, much fancier yet for some reason cheaper. I have a couple Milk bags and they are poor quality, I would absolutely not buy the shoes

>>9694907
They changed their mind.

>>9695380
Are you a newbie chinese brolita with a bad reputation?

>>9694755
Ok I don't wanna be one of those memers but this AP dress legit looks like something ToAlice would release
Also I feel that Miel's gonna fail harder than Eternita and Milk is painfully normie and expensive for what it is. I mean, 34000¥ for those shoes? Wot?

>>9695295
I bought it as well, it'll be here on or around the 20th. I'll be posting shitting cell phone snaps in the Handmade thread, so anons can better decide if they want it or not.

>>9695144

Thanks for clearing this up!

>>9695824
Awesome, thank you

>>9695813
I'm dying lol

>>9695144
I don't think Eternita flopped, if it had i don't think theyd use the same layout for the cover. Eternita and Miel are just one-offs which are Mariko Suzuki's creative projects. She has great connections from her time editing the GLB and probably got a lot of free work.

>>9694858
Do you have a good hair dresser? They should be able to adapt most styles to you, and the better ones will steer you away from fucking up your hair. I had short bangs, but not this short, and I liked them. My hair grows pretty fast though so it wasn't a huge commitment.

Has there been any word at all about a second issue of Melt? I really enjoyed it... honestly more than the GLB in its last issue

Does anyone know where you can still buy Eternita? I live in Europe btw

>>9696382
I bought mine from amazon.co.jp, if you can't buy it directly from there just use a shopping service.

>>9696395
I can only find the emook on there and for some reason it's just as expensive as the actual magazine

>>9696399
You better google what emook means...

>>9696399
An e-mook is a magazine. It's not a digital edition like an e-book, that's just a term the Japanese use for magazines that come with something extra, in Eternita's case it's sewing patterns.

Sorry for the dumb question but does anyone know what this is? I think it's a hanger cover. There is a small hole in the top and the bottom is open with an elastic band

>>9696400
That doesn't help in any way

>>9696406
Thanks

>>9696407
Is that not the tissue box cover that they were handing out with orders over a certain price?

>>9696407
Its a tissue box cover

>>9696412
Baby's ridiculous Usakumya merchandise is such a guilty pleasure of mine. This is cute and so silly, I love it.

>>9696411
>>9696412

Thanks! I was surprised to find it in my order, didn't notice it when I was buying my dresses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0P5aKGkQFc
watch out omaha comm, shes coming to a meet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDrTBF68l8

>>9695301
Honestly, just look around at other similar luxury jewelers. Bvlgari has a beautiful line of snake jewelry, for instance, although I guess that's a lower price point. I can't think of any high-end jewelry makers with a specific, consistent gothic look but there are plenty of collections that would probably have things you like in them.

>>9696541
theres a comm thread

>>9696541
Does this girl have a below average IQ?

>>9696541
oh god

What's considered a small waist measurement?

>>9696645
17 microns

was there a version of Cat Garden from putumayo that was a shirred OP? I have only found skirt and JSK version but found one on fril that way and I wonder if someone just sewed two dresses together. https://item.fril.jp/e4a839659c3c43141d74bacc65b5801b

>>9696645
sub 60cm

>>9696645
Depends on your height but 65 and under desu

>>9696541
Is she mentally challenged? She looks Iegit retarded and I don't mean it in a mean way

>>9696541
Oh my god anon...I think she has a mental condition. She seems to have no self awareness (showing her tights with holes in the crotch area and nothing to cover it,no bloomer), she speaks kinda weirdly, and she has facial features (especially her teeth/mouth) that makes me think she definitely has a problem

>>9696541
wtf is happening in the second vid with her hair and makeup it looks like her hair is stiff from not washing them and her "makeup" looks like she was beaten up or doodled around her eyes with crayon.
The outfit and umbrella are tragic too but jfc

>>9696541
i went through some of her other vids and oh boy oh boy, you guys should look. In one of them she says her camera voice isn't a kid voice but her lolita voice , she has a video where she talks about being an anime character's little sister,... I can't hate her because she looks so young and like she truly is having fun despite looking like a hot mess. And as said previously she probably is mentally challenged

>>9694974
One of the girls in my comm did a Krampus coord once, it was glorious!
Although you have to decide if your comm would understand the reference, you wouldn't want them to wonder how fur, horns and bells are related to Christmas and think you're a bit weird in the head after it.

>>9696724
If they don't get it, they suck.

>>9696758
I agree, but I'm also from a country that actively celebrates Krampus (and I fucking loved it as a child), so I'm slightly biased.

>>9696722
shes like 18 or 19, one of her videos says shes "senior highschool" and its from half a year ago

>>9695557
agreed, I hate these kinds of people! There's really no excuse, you can easily have 20 brand main pieces after two years in the fashion, if you're serious about it. these kinds of people don't last long, they do not belong, they are not welcome

>>9696541
i can't really bring myself to make fun of her because she seems legitimately disabled/disturbed. possibly some kind of defect because her face is off too. even unfortunate people need hobbies.

Someone posted an illustration on the Big Sisters Group showing a comparison pic of what an upskirt would look like with and without bloomers.

>>9696912
>visited the group to see if it's any better with context
>it's not

this level of effort was not required

>>9696541
I'll just stick to being a lonelita with some other lonelita friends, thanks. Our tea parties are so much less risky. If you're not officially a com, you don't get pressured into being inclusive.

>>9696620
Is that a rhetorical question?

>>9696724
That sounds pretty awesome.

>>9696863
I knew about the fashion for years but couldn't justify spending money on it. So I didn't complain and obviously didn't join the community, just lurked, watched, and learned. Now that my career is secure, I'm finally living the dream. Those people who think they should be handed it all without working on themselves first are a cancer.

>>9696408
”The e-mook has become all the rage in Japan. An enhanced version of a mook (cross between a magazine and a book), the e-mook, published by Takarajimasha, expands the hybrid concept a step further by including a premium gift inserted in a box attached to every mook.” Yes it did.

>>9696981
Nayrt but for me Google shows results for a company called eMook and another one called E - Mook

>>9697116
Try googling "e mook japan".

>>9696649
>Found the entomologist

https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/38351

This was crowdfunded lolita maternity wear.
>"I want to make Lolita clothes that can be wearing pretty even after childbirth".

>>9697143
>what are sack dresses
>what are empire waist dresses
>what is full shirring
Was this really needed? There are plenty of dresses that you can also wear when you're pregnant. Lolita must be the most maternity friendly fashion that exists.

>>9697143
This was posted before, it's still ita as shit.

secrets

>>9696971
I couldn't justify new brand before I got into lolita fully, but it was fairly easy to take the plunge with a 150$ taobao dress from a reseller. I had spent that on normie dresses several times. The only thing that held me back from LM was not having a PayPal. If I had got one sooner it would have been a no brainer to buy cheap brand

>>9697167
I don't have a PayPal account account and I have a closet full of secondhand brand

>>9697122
Or just ”what is emook”

>>9697172
Where from? It doesn't matter now but that's cool

>>9697180
Brilliant

>>9694847
Speaking of Melt, does anyone have news on when we'll get another issue?

>>9696912
I'm crying

>>9697191
I'm not even in this discussion, but

>>9697212
The point is that different people get different results on google, why y'all defending that anon? her answer was useless unless google already expceted you to look for that kind of emook.

>>9697235
Different anon, but it's not that hard to stick "Japan" after something when you don't get the result you are looking for

>>9697239
She was told to google what emook means. I just get results for ebooks, when I google emook Japan I get Japanese ebooks.

>>9697243
>-ebook

>>9696407
It's a mask, wear it on your head

>>9695301
I would stake out estate auctions. I work for an auctioneer and there are people who come to our auctions just to buy up all the jewelry and resell it. Even if its comstume-tier there is always a ton of it.

>>9696971
>>9697167
I don’t think anyone is complaining about people who don’t have a lolita wardrobe together within X months, but about people who don’t put any real effort into getting a wardrobe together yet are super loud in online communities. So many people in RC don’t actually wear lolita yet are super vocal and need to make their uninformed opinions on everything known and then throw a fit when people don’t agree. Nobody has a problem with quiet, studious newbs.

>>9697380
>So many people in RC don’t actually wear lolita yet are super vocal and need to make their uninformed opinions on everything known and then throw a fit when people don’t agree.

I agree! I was just saying, for as long as I felt I couldn't afford it, I also wasn't trying to get into any coms, let alone have possibly obnoxious opinions on what other people can afford/wear because I wasn't a lolita yet, just an admirer from afar.

And about the affordable part: learning how to sew isn't that hard nor is it that expensive. You see it in the Russian coms especially in the early two thousands: very few people could afford brando straight from Japan, but they started making dresses that were such high quality they gave brands a run for their money.

People who just whine and whine that everything, every suggestion to help them ever made, is too much effort are so obnoxious I understand why that anon quit the com.

>>9697146
those are only really useful cuts if theyre button down in the front like the ones posted. the buttons make a huge difference for breastfeeding
>people with infants shouldnt wear lolita tho, pregnancy is fucking gross

>>9698102
Are you kidding, kids are way more gross than pregnancy itself... I'm more surprised by people who wear it relatively soon after childbirth/during toddler years because the little darling is likely to vom. every 3-4 hrs after every feed (they call it spilling but it's curdled breast milk, it's a vom) plus then they become mobile, get into everything, develop a fascination with messy stuff...not to mention snotty noses, gastro etc. and they can't really reliably obey "stay clean" orders until school ago

For those who are still wondering about Eternita and Miel, on Eternita's twitter they wrote that the same staff is now producing Miel. They didn't gave a reason though. (In my opinion it's because Eternita was focused on Otome and Miel is focused on Lolita).

https://twitter.com/otonaaliceeter1

>>9697967
Yes. This is why I hate Facebook so much, my comm page is full of these retards who never actually wear lolita or even own it

>>9698560
I hope they will continue this idea of picking a different concept for each volume. But you're wrong that Eternita is more focused on otome than Miel is. They don't consider otome a fashion style, they were going for a 'mature' lolita style and mainly featured lolita brands. Miel has a bunch of non-lolita brands too.

>>9698560

I don't know, I think it only feels like Eternita was more otome-focused because no one really knew what was in it, and girls were surprised to find stuff from Milk and Pink House, instead of the usual purely lolita brands from the GLB, so that caused a bit of a shock. Going off the photodump above, it actually looks more like Miel is carrying most of the same brands. Maybe going from Eternita to Miel is just a minor name change and not really a huge deal?

Or maybe that's just my wishful thinking -- I really dig the "adult alice" all-inclusive concept. Most of the purely lolita brands still seem to be going in an OTT direction, so it's really nice to see more wearable stuff from Milk or Pink House or Qpot, stuff that isn't a fully tricked out teaparty coord.

>>9698625
I really like the term otona alice itself. I always loved alice-inspired releases and the idea of calling lolita fashion alice kei.

>>9698576
If they are going to do a different concept each time, I hope they will do a gothic one with Moitie photoshoot. A girl can dream...

>>9698102
Most mothers don't even breastfeed anymore. Yes, maybe for the first few months but then they go straight on with formula. So that will be only a short-term issue for most.

I feel like Meta and Physical drop make a lot of maternity friendly dresses though. Lots of shirring and larger sizing. And also Excentrique and Victorian Maiden for their sack-dresses. A lot of them have front buttons, too. So these dresses definitely exist

>>9695380
>>9695552
What's the invite situation for this server? Sounds right up my alley honestly.

>>9697166
I imagine this is always the same person, whispering the word "secrets" softly to themselves as they type their weekly cgl post.

>>9698667
>Most mothers don't even breastfeed anymore
The thing is though that those who do breastfeed a lot of the time breastfeed for WAY too long. One of my friends breastfed her daughter for THREE YEARS. caused all sorts of problems for the kid, too.

sage for OT

>>9698685
This, I'm also interested.

>>9694864
Pffffft

>>9697235
they are using different languages, which is probably why.

Can anybody tell me a good place to buy something like this for my waifu?

I'm finding a hard time finding shops online.

>>9699056
>What is reverse image search

Why doesn't lolibrary include prices anymore?

>>9698685
>>9698695
https://discord.gg/XHHA4Q

>>9699060
just points back to tumblr and some crappy app.

>>9699071
Look up caged lingerie and leave, this isn't lolita.

Putumayo is over https://twitter.com/_putumayo_/status/932444157263486976

>>9698657

I'm not all that into Alice myself, but it's certainly easier to explain the fashion as related to Alice in wonderland rather than trying to explain what lolita is not, especially with the Tim Burton movies doing us the favour of actually being pretty close to lolita ideals in terms of fashion and fantasy.

I wonder if we can make it catch on a tag/fashion? I mean just about everybody else is already using #eglfashion #eglcommunity instead of tagging as #lolita anyhow to avoid the weirdos and adult filters. Might as well tag it with #otonaalice or #alicekei at this rate.

I'm really more in favour of using alice kei as an umbrella term that also includes lolita rather than trying to give lolita a new name, though. It's a lot easier to say alice kei includes lolita, otome, or whatever Miel/Eternita includes, rather than try and make it a rebranding exercise for lolita alone.

>>9698694
I was breastfed for like three years and it was actually pretty good for me, health-wise. I didn't get any of the gross diseases people say babies are "supposed" to get, and I grew up relatively strong and healthy.
Not sure what effect it might've had on me psychologically, though.

>>9699388

I'm ashamed to admit I'm wondering if they'll do any good exit sales. Online store closes Dec 10th so I suppose there won't be a fukubukuro.

>>9699528
Pretty much the same. My only problem is that I can’t drink milk, I’m not lactose intolerant, it just tastes horrible to me. It might be non related at all tho.

>>9699546
Woah, same here. I think it might be related after all.

>>9699516
Just don't use otome kei, that's kodona-tier stupidity

>>9699623
Otome is basically just Lolita without the petti and a forest/country twist.

>>9699625
What the fuck is a forest/country twist? You are so wrong. Lolita tries to imitate historical fashion eras from 1600-1900ish and shortens the skirt and adds tons of lace and frills, otome is based on 1920-60s children's clothing which may or may not use a petti but is generally much simpler in adornment, with a wider range of colors than lolita. I'm so goddamn tired of people calling otome "lolita without a petti"

>>9699638
>What the fuck is a forest/country twist?
Exactly what it says on the tin, pic related.
>mfw otome kei isn't even considered a "thing" in Japan
>mfw gaijin literally made it up because they couldn't stand Lolita fashion that didn't fully follow the ruruus

>>9699638
>ETC is considered casual lolita
>LG designer gets confused when asked about otome kei
>Novala Takemoto popularised otome as a term for girly fashion when he was still relevant
>Lolita designers also take inspiration from the 20th century
I mean, sure, in the West we'll understand what you mean by it, just like we understand what someone means when they say kodona.

>>9699638
>LG designer gets confused when asked about otome kei
>Novala Takemoto popularised otome as a term for girly fashion when he was still relevant
>Wrote a book about a lolita who only wears ETC
>Lolita designers also take inspiration from the 20th century
I mean, sure, in the West we'll understand what you mean by it, just like we understand what someone means when they say kodona.

>>9698576
Thank you for clearing that up. I own Eternita but I made my assumption about Miel only because of a review which said that there is more Lolita content in it. Should have checked the magazine myself

>>9699388
And nothing of value was lost.

>>9699623

Yeah, I'm just using it because like >>9699659 says, western girls still understand what it is, it's not like I'm posting a question to some Japanese designers about it.

I never really caught up with whether otome-style aesthetics is now called girly fashion, or what fashion brands like Axes Femme, Secret Honey now fall into. Actually, I'm kind of really looking forward to being able to skip all the arguing, mix all of it up and simply tag it as #otonaalice #alicekei.

>>9699067
They do though

>>9694957
Post it on your local Craigslist site. I promise if your area has any kind of weeb community you'll get some bites.

>>9699642
If otome and lolita are "all the same thing", then why do Jane Marple, MILK, LG, etc. all refuse to be in the GLB? Why don't they do the same shitty foreign con events that lolita brands will? Because they don't consider themselves as lolita brands but rather high fashion. They don't want to be associated with lolita.

>>9702086
This. What we call 'otome' is just what some japanese girls wear as normal fashion and JM and LG are simply expensive fashion brands. They are no alt fashion brands. If girls in Japan wear them, noone would think they wearing an alternative fashion, maybe a little quirky, youthful, playful, but essentially normal fashion.

>>9702091
This is the most objectively incorrect, weaby thing I've ever read.

>>9702086
>>9702091
They are considered lolita by lolitas in Japan, but the brands themselves don't want to be associated with it. If you search lolita on something like wear.jp, you will find lots and lots of "otome" coords in addition to coordinates with pettis.

However, from what I understand, being an alt-fashion brand has a negative connotation and stores like JM want to be associated enough with the fashion (be promotors by mags etc) to make money, but keep themselves far enough away from the culture for plausible deniability.

>>9702115
Have you ever even been to Japan

>>9702140
Yes, and people dress pretty normally. They are often more put together, but if you can't tell the difference between JM and clean and thoughtful Uniqlo then this isn't the fashion for you.

>>9702086
I thought the reason JM didn’t want to be called lolita was because of the whole lolicon thing and the “lolita killer” serial murderer that was making the news back in the day.

>>9702117
That makes sense. If I were the JM designer I wouldn’t really want to be lumped in with some of the cosplay-tier brands you see in the earlier GLBs, either. Plus isn’t lolita considered to be a fashion for weird/mentally ill girls by the general public? I can see how being considered too alt would hurt their sales among “normal” people.

>>9702117
>They are considered lolita by lolitas in Japan, but the brands themselves don't want to be associated with it
>>9702164
>I can see how being considered too alt would hurt their sales among “normal” people.
So it's kinda like how Andrew Eldritch totally isn't goth?

>>9702086
Some of those brands have been in GLB baka

Have people talked about yet?

https://vimeo.com/230056733

>>9702198
>monotone voice
>footage of a girl getting dressed
>black underthings under a pastel coord
I'm already perturbed.

>>9702198
>>9702203
>ill fitting dresses
>leaving the house with the waist ties untied
It just keeps getting worse.

>>9702198
Those poor struggling seams

>>9702086
>They don't want to be associated with lolita.
The same way some "goth" musicians don't want to be associated with goth subculture.
It's basically irrelevant, they're classified as part of "that" scene by actual Japanese people, no matter what their wishes are. They may be more laid-back and casual than Lolita traditionally is, but that doesn't really change shit. And like >>9702178 said, some of the brands you mentioned literally have been featured in GLB.

>>9702198
>only feeling comfortable dressing up for meetups
Dropped.

>>9702198
Maybe she doesn't look totally on point, but I do think she is explaining the fashion quite well. I like that she's stressing that lolita doesn't have to be 'escapism' and that it is (/can be) just for fun.
(I'm not particularly fond of the image of all lolitas being unsocial introvert weebs, finally finding friends and courage through a fashion community)

>>9702198
Y'all know that's rabbit winner / the owner of shy lapin talking in the video lol

>>9702327
Who?

>>9702327
wow she looks way different with makeup

>>9699070
Damn missed the invite again.

>>9702198
it's not the most inspiring documentary i've ever seen (not much you can do with "american lolita explains fashion to normies") but I thought she looked cute

I'd give the documentary maker an A

(still a better documentary than girlyhoot's)

>>9703502
https://vimeo.com/23130973

it was better than this one

>>9702198
She's so negative, it's no wonder she feels awkward wearing the fashion on her own. It's true that the general public usually asks "why" we're dressed the way we are but immediately interpreting it as "why would you subject yourself to this humiliation" is such a twisted way of looking at things. I almost feel sorry for her for having this shitty attitude.

>>9702198
>>9702203
>>9703522

One of the easiest ways to avoid the association with the name Lolita when talking to normies is to not se the word. Just say it s a Japanese street fashion and avoid the word altogether.

>>9703502
I kind of wish girlyhoot's had been released just for the entertainment value.

>>9703569
She straight up says that people think it's a fetish because of its appearance rather than the name. I don't discredit her personal experiences if this is the kind of thing that's happened to her but she seems generally downtrodden with every aspect of the fashion. Does she even enjoy it? Why even bother if you're so self conscious and afraid unless you're out with your comm?

If any of you guys were contributing to the sissy threads, we moved to the farm since we obviously aren't allowed to defend our fashion here.

>>9703729
Talk about the fashion instead of individuals for once.

>>9703729
>defend our fashion
You are making it worse, they are into being humiliated

>>9703729
to be fair, reposting all of those captioned images wasn't cool. the girls in the photos don't need to suffer any more than they already are by being targeted by those freaks.

>>9699070
yo, i tried to join the discord server, answered all the questions, was only interested in the drama sub, why did i get kicked? nobody even answered my message :'(
me, a lonelita that has 10k+ in burando but lives in literally siberia, did i get removed because i don't have any connections.. at least let me have an online comm that isn't facebook!!

>>9703931
what's your discord username?

>>9703984

>>9703985

>>9703986

>>9694755
yeah sure, do a photoshoot in front of buckingham palace, why not get in the ugly as fuck roadworks in the background? That sure is a smart idea.

>>9704001
I think they did that on purpose to make it more contemporary-looking or something

>>9703984
Love the strawberries

Is this necklace based on an existing gargoyle?

How's the Black Friday doing on Lacemarket so far?

I'm 5' 10" with an 86cm waist and 100cm bust. I don't wear lolita often but ive wanted Milky Berry in blue since it came out. There's one on LM right now that I want but the waist limit is 63cm. I want to get it as inspiration to lose weight but don't even know if my body is capable of a 63cm waist. Are there any others here who have lost weight and seen that kind of shift?

Can RCU get a new Admin? One is shitposting nonsense that was in another thread on here.

>>9704519
1. The halterneck version is incredibly stretchy because of full back shirring. If you're worried, hold out for that version.
2. I've lost 20 lbs and lost a little less than 6 cm off my waist, and I'm brick shaped. You'll be able to do it if you try.

>>9704519
I don't think you're fat

>>9704519
It depends, I'm an inch shorter at 5'9ft and my waist is 61cm but most of my weight is in my legs and I have a small body frame. You'd have to loose a lot of weight to fit that, and it might take you into unhealthy weight territory. I'm just under the healthy bmi for my height.

I lost a lot of weight (100+ lbs) and about 10 inches off my waist, so it's possible.

>>9704520
They all need to be kicked imo, one of them is defending the admin that posted the content and the other is doing jack all to take it down, unless they're keeping it up so she can continue digging her own grave.
> tries to resurrect petty drama that people are already over
> causes even more drama than the original drama itself
Nice one

>>9704520
It's Alex, what did yall expect?

>>9703931
Happened to me too anon, even if you get an invite from a member they'll still vet you extensively. If I have a "bad reputation" according to those folks (I am a literal nobody) then I know who they are lol and they are shitty people.

>>9704520
>>9704544
she doesnt even have lolita on her profile

>>9704544
Op deleted the thread, here are a few other caps I managed to nab before the thread was wiped (red = op)
Congrats on your quality admin team RCU.

Khronos Utopia sold out within 6 minutes!
Didn't have a chance to watch the OP order but the JSKs sold out in the order of grey, green, blue, and black.
And once again AP's socks are hideous.

What did everyone manage to snag?

>>9704666
Nothing, sadly. Really loved the grey colorway tho

>>9703572
we all do

>>9704666
I'm so sad, I totally blanked and forgot that was today and just saw that everything is sold out. I was hoping to get the JSK in green, but now that I've seen photos of the grey, I like it better.
Curious as to why the sock stock photos are SO hideous.

>>9704096

Are these available again, or only in China at that Girlism event?