/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Yeah dood your good, this was a big worry for my wife, untill she tried her first ap dress on and looked amazing. Race and body shape dont really matter as much as how good you coord your outfit unless you are really fat.

>>9662419
That makes me feel a lot less worried
Thanks anon

>>9662420
Np, gull. get a dressyou love and coord it well and you will feel amazing. Dont forgey accesories and socks that compliment the look and you will look better than 90% of the itas you see around the interwebs

>>9662416
Not sure if troll but people don't look good in lolita because they are either ugly or fat or have no sense of style. Race has nothing to do with it.

>>9662419
>>9662427
What's generally the line for "too fat"? I've always been curious.

>>9662435
If you don’t fit brand without stretching it a lot, you are fat.

Idk, why don't you ask Innocent World, Victorian Maiden, Juliette et Justine, Atelier Pierrot, and other Japanese brands who've gone out of their way to hire white models?

>>9662427
This. There are beauties and uggos in every race. You'll look good if you're pretty, and if you're ugly you'll look less good. Just like with every other fashion style.

>>9662457
I'm not a lolita, I was just wondering if there was a general guide to sizes and what is too big and etc. It's just outsider curiosity.

>>9662467
Certain brands are very forgiving, others not so much. I've had dresses with a minimum waist measurement of 70cm with elastic on top of that and dresses with a maximum 65cm waist with no give at all. Overall, though, I've known several girls who are actually medically obese who fit (or "fit") into lolita clothing. But whether you think they look good is up to you.

>>9662470
If you're of average height, you still want to be on the low end of healthy BMI to fit brand without stretch. Lower if you're taller. If you're chubby, it also depends on where you store your fat, and if you're really short, like under are just about five feet, you might still fit if you're technically obese.

If you're tall and stout, brand OPs are off the table. I'm tall-ish but skinny, and fit the non-elastic waist band of the size 1 JetJ skirts, but I'm not going to tempt fate and buy an OP or a JSK without stretch unless it's a size 2. I fit VM but long sleeves on OPs are just a hint too short and I add lace in the same color. And good quality lace is a bitch to find.

If you have big boobs, you may be shit out of luck for many OPs, but if your waist is slim you can still get many skirts and coord them with blouses and cardigans. Investing in bras that keep your boobs from flopping or loafing is important, you want to look elegant and not like a tavern wench.

If you store your fat in your abdomen and are apple shaped, you wanna lose that fat for your health anyway, but ordering dresses without shirring would be fruitless, and your best bet is empire waist or sack shaped dresses.

Brands don't give a rat's ass about "fat shaming" (never mind tall shaming or masculine frame shaming), they're a niche fashion and unlike taobao sellers, don't sell enough volume to make plus sizes profitable.

>>9662416
I've seen Russian twinks look better in Lolita than average Japanese girls. Of course the ones in magazines and brand promotion material look very cute: they're models, and what imperfections they have are photoshopped. Look at Mana sama, those pictures aren't woozy because he's a perfect ethereal twink, they're deliberately hazy to hide that he's a man in his late forties, with all the skin imperfections that implies.

>>9662467
There is no real guide that I know of, and it depends on the brand of course (Angelic Pretty and Metamorphose are going to be more suitable for bigger sizes than Mary Magdalene or Victorian Maiden).
It also depends on the age of the dress; older dresses are mostly shorter and smaller than newer ones, especially in the bust.

Generally I think you're gonna have real trouble fitting into dresses if your waist is over 75cm or your bust is over 98cm.
I have a 68cm waist which is mostly fine except for some oldschool skirts from classic brands, and a 96cm bust that is a real pain to fit into dresses.

You also have to think about shoulder measurements; I didn't bother thinking about those until I got an IW OP and I found out I have actual quarterback shoulders. Besides that, just make good choices keeping your body shape in mind. If you have fat arms, you're not gonna want to do short puff sleeves or cap sleeves. If you have a huge bust, you don't want highwaisted cuts. If you are very tall, look into longer length dresses.
The fashion isn't completely static making it only suitable for one body type. There's lots of changes you can make and styles you can wear to better suit your body.
I look terrible in highwaisted short dresses with puff sleeves. I look great in long dresses with a natural or low waist and long sleeves. Does that mean I look good or bad in lolita?

>>9662464
>You'll look good if you're pretty, and if you're ugly you'll look less good

but if you're ugly then you'll at lease have beautiful clothes on, which is better than being ugly and having ugly or boring clothes on.

>>9662416
Can you post more examples of what does not look good to you vs what does?

>>9662416
Go for it man!
Get something you love AND that fits you/suits you, coord it decently, and it'll be totally fine.

>>9662416
I think a large part of dressing in lolita that people overlook is dressing for one's face. Of course you should wear what you want! Completely! But if you feel like things just don't look right, maybe your face doesn't suit it. Personally there's no race that looks better in any style than any other, it's just about knowing what looks good. Say you have a masculine face with a long nose and square jaw, maybe try steering away from bright pastel makeup and wigs because it might be jarring (some people need to get the newsflash that platinum blonde wigs aren't a natural colour). But that doesn't mean you can't wear sweet, it just means maybe try natural hair colours and makeup that neutralises bolder features.

I mean, that's only one example. As long as your clothes fit and you're happy, who cares? It's not a race war, it's a niche fashion that you should feel like a million bucks in, not as if you're competing.

>>9662435
Please not this again

>>9662623
I agree. I am a brolita. You will most likely look better than me.

>>9662511
Nayrt or OP, and forgive my newfag but what brands or even just cuts would you recommend? My bust in a good bra is just over 100cm but my waist is 29". I always manage to struggle with Asian sizing due to my bust but everywhere else I have no issues with fit.

>>9662467
To put things into perspective, the perfect measurements for Lolita are within a few cm of 80 bust and 60 waist.

Anon, no one truly looks good in lolita. We all look like oversized toddlers--yes, even you, classic and Gothic lolitas.

What will make you suit it better, however, is your "spirit". Do you want to wear sweet, but don't have a youthful personality? Do you wear classic, but don't have grace or elegance? If yes, then you will look bad.

>>9663278
>personality
you mean face... right?

>>9663280
I guess what anon means might be less the face per se but more the vibe somebody gives off through their facial expressions, the way they present themselves, and so on. Some people just look really wrong in their clothes due to their movements or gestures etc.

I hate that no one can take a good photo of me. I get too anxious and it feels impossible to make friends in my comm. So I feel like I'll never be comfortable enough to actually pose in photos.

I take my own photos at home and I look great tho. Not just selfies either. I use my dslr and get pretty good shots.

It just makes me feel more out of place at meets when we all go to take pics and people always offer it to me and I can't hide how I feel about seeing some shitty pic a girl has taken of me. I just thank them cause I know they're not doing it on purpose. But its so fucking annoying and I can't get passed it because I know I don't look that terrible but their photos are so unflattering.

I have a fucking bad memory photo from every meet I've been to.

>>9662435
I think chubby girls, bmi of around 24 can still look good so long as the dress fits. But when you cross the threshold from chubby to actually fat, then you start looking bad.

>>9662623
Lovely Lor sort of has a man face. But I think sweet still works very well for her.

>>9663156
I thought about 72cm for the waist and under 85cm for the bust was pretty standard.

Thought I'd post this since it's semi related to the topic (not specifically weight but body shape)

>>9663655
72cm in the waist is on the bigger side though, 68cm is better.

>>9663657
I hate this cause all the girls look samey

>>9663679
I think that you're right, and that the art could have done a much better job of differentiating, but the concept is still good. Like I know that I'm a triangle or rectangle shape, and even though the drawings don't look like my body type, I know that those are my body type.

>>9663280
>>9663550
This

Vibes, gestures, the way someone carries themselves...these are all more important than face or looks. Like >>9663654 mentioned, sweet suits Lor because if her personality.

Imo though, the one caveat is if you're fat. I don't mean slightly chubby, I mean really fat. Then lolita will suit you even less. I'm not saying you have to be a stick or have a bmi of <20, just be healthy. You can even be a little chub and still be fine! As for body shapes, I actually think that lolita is across the board one of the most forgiving styles. Everyone pretty much looks like a ball of poof.

>>9663156
>>9663655
>>9663671
I have a 85cm bust and 65cm waist and feel like these are pretty ideal for my preferred styles, which are classic and old school sweet. Smallest max I’ve ever owned was 66cm waist skirt from 2005. On the other hand, I’ve tried on many pieces that were awkwardly baggy on me even with corset lacing.

So I’d say that if you’re into really old oldschool gothic and classic 80-85cm bust and 60-65cm waist may be ideal, but if you’re buying modern stuff I’d say 65-70cm waist is definitely more accurate. You do need narrow shoulders and smaller arms for most OPs, though.

>>9663772
I was gonna say, 60-65cm waist is smaller than most current releases, and tends to result in a ridiculous amount of fabric bunching at the back/sides with waist ties.

>>9663096
I hope you're still there anon. 100cm is a large bust size but by no means too big to look good in lolita. There's always the obvious solution of skirts, but if you don't like those you don't have to resort to them. You could look into shirred Meta pieces and even some specific Innocent World cut. I own pic related and it could easily go up to a bust of 110cm, whereas it can fit any waist size because of the shirring. If you find that your dresses hit you too high on the waist because of your bust pulling them up, it's a good idea to lengthen the straps in case they are adjustable. You don't need much sewing skill and it makes the fit look a lot better. Definitely try to stay away from high-waisted cuts in any case.

When it comes to blouses you can always go for custom-sized taobao or indie brand, but Japanese brand is going to either not fit or have a gap between the buttons on the bust. I've found cutsews to be a great solution and a comfy addition to my wardrobe. Especially long-sleeved lacy sweater-like cutsews are great to wear under jsks.

>>9663896
Stilll here! Thank you so much for the suggestions, anon! I browsed lolibrary to look at some Meta pieces because of the shirring and I like some of the jsk's; the space between my natural waist and bust is short so I worry about skirt bands disappearing, but I suppose I'll end up with a lot of trial and error with fit regardless of what I go for. Thank you again!

can someone explain what exactly boobloafs are and how you get them/get rid of them? I used to think it was just fat/big-breasted girls in lolita dresses that were bordering/definitely too tight for them, but I have seen gulls complain about boobloafs on girls without huge breasts/not fat, and I am so confused.

>>9664154
Boobloaf is when you wear a dress that's too small in the bust and creates a single "uniboob" sort of look. It happens a lot with IW dresses on people with breasts larger than a B cup, even if they're well under the max measurements.
A few ways to mend this are:
-Consider how the dress fits you and what exactly is creating the boobloaf. If you're wearing a JSK and the bodice is sitting too high on your torso (so your boobs fit in the underbust section rather than where they should), you can lengthen the shoulder straps either by adding fabric or resewing the buttons in the back.
-Alternatively, if the bodice is sitting where it should and/or it's an OP which may be harder to modify, you can wear a bolero or cardigan on top to cover it up, or see if you can find a better bra to wear with your dress (sometimes sports bras create boobloafs); personally, if modifying is not an option, I'd suggest looking for a different dress to wear. It's an obvious sign that the dress doesn't fit you and it's not a good look.

>>9664228
I think I understand now, thank you anon!

>>9664228
Would you mind posting some pictures of people who aren't fat but still have boobloaf? I have a bigger cup size and own a lot of Innocent World and find myself worried about boobloaf that I'm somehow not noticing/not bothered by.
I get the idea the visual distinction between two separate breasts is kind of hard to come by in lolita dresses in general.

>>9664874
Honestly it's not the cutest but I wouldn't let it stop me from wearing the fashion.

>>9665741
and another.

>can non-asian lolitas look as good as asian lolitas
> picture is fanny rosie, a white French-Canadian, and one of the prettiest well-known lolitas

gee idk op

The fashion is inspired by european clothing, I think it fits small white girls best.

>>9662416
Remember that asian Lolitas use photoshop A LOT
you might be able to find examples of before/after
and people who know them irl can confirm they look completely different
There is this one photo of a Lolita looking out in front of a glass, and you can see the reflection of her real face in the glass. I can't find it right now, maybe some anon can

>>9666192
That's only for classic and goth.
White girls always look silly in sweet.

>>9667599
fuck you

>>9667602
Thanks for giving me the exact reaction I wanted.

Some white girls look ok in sweet but they are very few and far between.

>>9664874

>>9667610
>>9665742
>>9665741
>aren't fat
kek

>>9667610
eek, this is the worst somewhat-smallish-breast boob loaf I have ever seen. Usually I see horrible boob loaf on girls who are big-breasted but this is super unfortunate.

>>9667610
I wonder if this is really zipped up.

>>9667616
I might concede that >>9667610 and >>9665742 are chubby, but in what universe is >>9665741 fat?

>>9667676
there are a bunch of gulls on this kick that if you have large breasts it means you're fat and that's really reason you can't fit in brand. Because you're fat, big boobs have nothing to do with it apparently.

>>9667610
Waistloaf?

>>9662505
>I've seen Russian twinks look better in Lolita than average Japanese girls
Late reply but... share pics?

>>9667797
Anon probably means Spelendora

Considering lolita dresses are modeled after EUROPEAN dresses - yes, whites look good in it, so do light asians, blacks do not.

>>9667676
Are you fucking deluded? Look at that fat face. Look at this tree trunk calves.

She's only "average" nowadays because 2/3 of girls are at least fat if not obese. She would be 100% certified fat 30 years ago.

>>9667610

Are you partially blind or had a stroke? Do you not see her bodice?

>>9667758
>>9667676
Big boobs in JSKs make you look fat, wear skirts instead

>>9668209
Really? I think if the jsk is well-fitting it would smooth out the shape of the body, rather than skirts that cut you in half and accentuate the largeness of your chest.

>>9668214
But JSKs are generally not made to fit big boobs

...is it weird that boob loaf doesn't usually bother me? If the person is generally huge, it adds to the bad look, but a little bit of boob loaf on a normal or skinny girl is just nbd to me.

>>9668349
I don't care either, there are worse things

>>9663896
>custom-sized taobao or indie brand
Nayrt, but do you have any recommendations? I have broad shoulders and rarely find blouses that go beyond 38 or 39 cm in width.

>>9667968
I'm black. I want to look cute. Is there any J-fashion that might look good on me?

>>9674559
ignore them, any race can look good in any j-fashion as long as you're thin and have a cute face

>>9674565
Thanks. I've always been a weeb but I just don't want to look like I'm trying too hard to fit in where I don't belong, or something.

>>9674559
I think it's kind of a Ratatouille approach.
Not everyone can be cute, but a they can come in many shapes and forms. And shades.

>>9663722

>grew up poor
>white trash family
>loud friends
>had to be funny to fit in
>mfw no grace or elegance whatsoever

No wonder lolita never feels right. I don't know where to start to change my mannerisms. Is it too late?

>>9675475
it's never too late to change, just keep making progress

So does anyone have tips to be less stiff in photos? I've read a bunch of modeling tutorials but I can never loosen up enough to look decent in photos.

>>9676722
anyyyybody?

Growing up and until now, I get a lot of comments about how I might actually be pretty if my skin was light. I tried not to let them get to me, and usually they don't. But sometimes when I wear lolita all those comments come back to haunt me.

>>9676722
If you read a lot of tutorials already then just practice more. You can kind of tell when a model looks uncomfortable and stiff in a photo. If you practice what you read then you can get an idea of what works for you and feel less awkward and stiff in photos.

I think it helps to cycle through some poses as photos are being taken. That way if one pose didn't work out you have a few others to look at. You also might not feel as stiff since you are actually moving a bit instead of holding a pose for 5 mins.

>>9678182
Bullshit, any skin color can be beautiful if you do your makeup correctly and wear colors that flatter you. Don't let people's shit get to you.

>>9678709
Damn. I practice taking photos of myself all the time. I look fine in those pictures but as soon as someone else does it, I look awful. No one ever waits for me to change poses either.

Maybe my comm just fucking blows.

>>9667968
not lolita but still....

>>9681619
here you go....

>>9678182
Try not to think about it, most of j-fashion is so over the top that no skin color looks natural with it.

>>9679073
Ask whoever's taking your pics to do it from specific angles, to wait for you to change poses. Don't be embarassed about it, just ask.

>>9678182
Growing up I thought the same. People around me though dark skin is bad.
Moved out, and now live in a place where everyone wants to get orange tan and skin cancer. It about perspective I guess
But jokes aside, I realized there are many ways of beauty, and you an pull colors that lighter tones would not look as great. Dark skin can make a color scheme rounder and warmer, and you can use that. Just find yourself and enjoy.

>>9675475
Practice posing in the mirror, or taking photos, etc. Being aware of your body helps; if you do any sorts of sports, dance, yoga, etc. anything that requires coordination, it can help.

I'm usually off daydreaming about something or other, so in practice I'm a klutzy spazz in normie mode, but in lolita I can at least concentrate enough to carry myself gracefully, and I credit taking dance classes as a kid for all that.

>>9678182
Darker skin ages wayyyy better than lighter skin due to melanin. You'll likely look much younger than someone of the same age with lighter skin in the future.

>tfw will never have problems with boob loaf
Not sure if good or bad.

>>9688217
good. I used to be sad about having small tits too, but as I got older I started loving it so much more. no saggy tits, can basically wear anything. and if I want to 'fill out' something better, I can always get a padded bra or something, though I've never personally felt the need. much easier to make em look bigger than smaller.

>tfw 30cm shoulders and love puffy sleeves
If there’s anything I’m self conscious about, it’s my shoulders. They’re juuuust wide enough to look disproportionate, and I hate it.

>>9688291
Did you mean 40cm? I’ve never seen a brand blouse go smaller than 32cm.

>>9662503
Stop spouting that a certain BMI is healthy or unhealthy. Getting people obsessed with numbers causes eating disorders. No matter how much I starved myself and everyone told me I was skinny I kept starving because my BMI wasn't that low but my hair was falling out, i started hallucinating, my periods stopped, my digestive system shut down etc., I had palpitations etc. BMI is a crock of shit. Two people can have the exact same BMI and different builds/fat to muscle ratio. Mine is 28 and I have plenty of room to spare in size S brand.

I am fed up of people saying anything over 24/25 is fat. It's a dangerous lie.

>>9663156
>>9663655

I am 85cm bust and 58-60cm waist depending on what time of the month it is. I have miles of room in the waist. Some blouses can gape though. I thing is I worry about it height though as some dresses (particularly IW and Haenuli lengths with long bodices) make me look like I've been eaten by a lampshade with a tube on the top and stumpy legs sticking out the bottom.

>>9688338
>bmi 28
>waist under 60 cm

If you're 4'8 and you weigh 134 lb, you're not exactly representative as sizes go, Danny de Vito.

>>9663772
Oh god I have wide shoulders and big biceps. I need help getting this OP on but it' always very clmfortable once I get it on. I sold all my other OPs though because there was definitely enough bicep room which just made me feel fat (though I know it isn't fat) and 'unfeminine' as stupid as that sounds.

>>9662416
Face is the most important, good legs are a bonus, shortness is another bonus. Fat will almost always make you look bad and unable to find fitting clothes, i have seen some cute chubbers but they are thin by american standards.
A lot of the designers for these clothes are asian, so having a flatter chest helps but doesn't make it impossible if youre oppai.

>>9662416
I kind of agree. Asians tend to have much smaller frames, which plays up the cute aspects of lolita. Fanny is very thin (she often needs to wear belts even with Mary Magdalene dresses), and she tends to emphasize the 'elegant' aspect of the style.

A decent amount of her coords aren't even from traditional lolita dressmakers. She focuses more on elegant 40's style-dresses and chignon/tied-up hair styles.

Other races can absolutely look good in lolita, but I do think that Asians usually look the best in the style.

>>9663156
I'd say this is actually too small.
I'm 83-86/63-66 depending on diet/time of the month, and many dresses are too big on me to look good.
I'm sure there are pieces that are still too small for me, but a lot of AP, Baby, IW, and ETC is too big.
Out of the brands I've owned a lot of, I think Meta and Baby do the best job of making sizing adjustable. Their bodices always look nice, even when the corset lacing is tightened a good bit, and they release a lot of different cuts/styles with differing sizes.
Personally, I love Baby for their unshirred pieces, too. Their smaller sizes fit me like a glove.

>>9688349
5ft 146lbs

>>9688338
>I am fed up of people saying anything over 24/25 is fat. It's a dangerous lie.
It isn´t a lie, unless you have verry much muscle your fat puts you at a risk at that point.
Bodyfat% is a more accurate measure for health aspects than BMI.

If it is about getting the correct sieze clothes consider the following:
I fit in child sieze M due to beeing small and having a BMI of 21.

>>9688469
The point is you can't have a hard and fast rule like 'anything over 24/25 is overweight' if there are exceptions as you just admitted. There are plenty of girls who are just muscular being told by the school nurse or doctor that they are fat then ending up fucking bulimic. I am certainly NOT the only one on the planet to have experienced this. The whole way through my recovery I fought the diets they were prescribing me/being force fed/followed to the toilet because according to the numbers/the BMI rules I was being pushed my further and further into the 'overweight' category.

>>9688473
>There are plenty of girls who are just muscular being told by the school nurse or doctor that they are fat then ending up fucking bulimic.
Listen, we talk about professional athlete level of muscle here, not what a normal highschool girl has.
I do a shitload of training and did not reach that point.
To be not fat at 5 feet and 146 lbs you would need to look almost like Arnold Schwarzenegger, wich is impossible for a female.

>>9688469
>bmi 21
>24 inch waist
>32FF tits
>figure is still not good for lolita because huge tits ruin the cute aspect of the style
I just want to wear a frilly pink princes dress

>>9688478
Aren´t there these band aid like things to hide your cup sieze?

>>9688479
As long as they don't destroy my tits like binding would, I'll look into it. I am very paranoid about saggy tits, even though its probably not something I'll be able to stop after a certain point, sadly.
>tfw old lady egg on nail tits will be my only future
you DFC's have it made. you really do.

>>9688464
You have very similar measurements to me (I'm 87-66). Would you mind sharing what sort of cuts (or specific dresses) fit you well? I'm just getting into lolita but I've already owned a few dresses which I've had to sell because they were too large on me. I'm really short as well which doesn't help.

>>9688606
What are your preferred styles/brands?
I'm more on the sweet side with a splash of otome, so most of my experience is there. I'm also pretty short (156cm).

In general, I have to avoid dresses with full or even partial back shirring but no corset lacing. These will simply be too big or baggy, especially if the elastic is stretched in any way.

For example, AP's Honey Cake Round JSK, Petit Patisserie Tiered JSK, Chess Chocolate Jabot JSK, Little Bears Cafe High Waist JSK, etc. are all too big. The other versions of these, however, are okay; they might bunch a bit when tightened up, but they still look good.

With Baby/AatP, the Miranda JSK cut (pic related) fits and flatters me incredibly well, as do the cuts of Chandelier Flocky I (unshirred) and Circus Tutu (shirred with lacing in back and front).
Fragrant Rose Memories Camelot cut is another stunner.

IW is usually okay, but their bodices just fit me like shit in general because of my boobs (28D-F). I like that they have longer and shorter lengths, though.

I've only recently got into Meta, but so far I like their collared JSKs and the Pintuck Tiered JSKs. The latter is sooo comfy.

I'm sorry this is all over the place. If you have more specific questions, I can try to help. My wardrobe is pretty small at the moment, but I've owned a lot of different dresses at some point or another.

>>9688626
Dropped my pic.

>>9688338
Triggered fatty detected.

>>9688478
You could still lose a lot of weight and be healthy. Get to it.

>>9688644
A 24 inch waist is thin as fuck. Going smaller than that gets into eating disorder territory and doesnt look good. Do you want them to be a skeleton??

>>9688662
>implying waist sizes say anything about eating disorders
>it's not dependent on bone structure and where a body deposits fat at all
Get out fatty

>>9688662
>thinks because someone has a small waist it means they have an ED

Eating disorders are mental illnesses, not a body type. Fuck off.

>>9688665
No seriously, she sounds fine. It's hard to have a 24 in waist 32 band and bmi of 21 and be fat. You are delusional as fuck holy shit.

>>9688670
She could still probably lose 10lbs and be completely fine. You don't even know what an eating disorder is and that other anon is delusional? Please.

>>9688667
Which are easily spotted based on a person's very large body because they eat too much or skeleton body because they starve themself

>>9688672
No she didnt? She said her big tits make lolita outfits hard for her.

>>9688676
Sorry, misread your post, I think you are projecting your own fatties onto other people. You don't even know what she looks like, all you had were some vague measurements. I highly don't someone with measurements like that and 21 bmi is anywhere close to fatty territory.

>>9688675
Do you really think everyone who's thin has an eating disorder? Sure every fatty is, but not every thin person is.

You don't know what the anon who posted her measurements looks like, she very well could lose weight and be fine, especially at her BMI. Waist size isn't the end all measurement.

>>9688679
>projecting your own fatties onto other people
Are you having a stroke? Because your logic and grammar is that off that I think you may be having a stroke.

Someone with a BMI of 21 could lose a good bit of weight and be medically fine. No doctor would be worried if she lost a bit.

>>9688682
>Someone with a BMI of 21 could lose a good bit of weight and be medically fine. No doctor would be worried if she lost a bit.
Unless that person has verry high muscle mass it should be prefectly fine.

>>9688688
She was complaining about how stuff fits her and she is able to lose weight without it being dangerous, so I told her so. Why are you this pissed off?

>>9688662
My friend is fatter/flubbier than I am and has a 22 inch waist because she's very curvy and has a long torso. I'm fit and slim and have a 24-25 inch waist because I'm a squashed banana.

You're just stupid.

>>9688682
Ok, but she is still rather ideal. You made it sound like she had a lot of wieght to lose when really she can fit into most brand and look very good, her only issue would be her big rack. And it would depend on her height too which wasn't given

>>9688692
She said she wasn't fitting stuff properly, for fucks sake. She is of a BMI where no doctor would be concerned if she lost a bit. Nobody said "WOW YOURE FUCKING FAT, DROP THE LBS FATTY"

Oppai girl here, not worried about being a fatty, i was worried about my big tits. I am a size 2 dress. wtf is happening in this thread I am sorry i caused this.

>>9688689
I am a different poster than >>9688679
I litteraly fit in child siezes and am at 8% bodyfat with a BMI of 21.
Loosing 10 lbs would be dangerous for me.

>>9688698
Nobody said you are fat, but if you lose weight you lose weight over all. When I was at my higher weight I had tits about your size and I dropped 10lbs and they are smaller now to the point they look fine in brand.

If you complain about the fit be willing to do something about it. You can lose weight and even though you think it may not come off your chest, it will. You will still have larger breasts proportionately but they'll fit better. At your BMI you can lose weight to fix your problem.

>>9688704
>lose my big tits
hell fucking no girlfriend, fucking with your tits size is going to make that skin stretch and sag like no tomorrow lol

>>9688702
Post pics otherwise this is made up LARP bullshit. My BMI is 16.4 and nobody said anything about being concerned until I was around 17.5 so I highly doubt what you're saying is true.

>>9688706
Then don't bitch about stuff not fitting you, stupid cunt.

>>9688706
>complain about something
>refuse to do anything about it

Why?

>>9688702
Are you a female bodybuilder? The only woman I've ever known like this is my friend, who is an amateur body builder.

Pic related, it's you, right now.

>>9688715
I`m a male amateur cyclist.

>>9688716
Then you aren't really relevant to the conversation about FEMALES and their BMIs?

>>9688716
Then get the fuck out. We're not talking about your body or the bodies of your piddly little sex, are we? No.
So sick of filthy crossboarders and all the bait on this board lately.

>>9688708
>>9688710
Wouldn't say my first post was complaining, more like I'm envious that flat chested girls can fit into and look better in lolita is all

>>9688810
Shut up or do something about it.

>>9688810
Can you fuck off?

>>9688812
Destroying my tits isn't worth lolita, I can be envious, think the fashion is great and not try to become one. I think you're a little deffinsive, or I could have phrased it more elegantly, I didn't mean anything about my post to upset people. Yeesh

>>9688822
You're clearly new here, either stop bitching or do something about it.

>destroying my tits

If you have big tits they're going to get rekt rapidly anyway. No use prolonging the inevitability of them hanging down to your ankles.

>>9688830
I'm not bitching though, at this point you're the one responding to me being as agressive as possible and bitching, if anything. Calm your tits

>>9688834
Why are you so obsessed with tits? Also fuck off.

>>9688837
Jesus, you must be fun to be around. This isn't just a lolita board, other people into things like cospay or more casual jfashion post here too. I am just one of those people making a passing comment in a lolita thread because its still interesting to me. Just sad im not born with the body for it and not willing to do things like tit binding or losing weight just to get a smaller rack just so i can wear an outfit once in awhile, because other than that I love my figure and look good in just about anything else anyways. But there really is no reason to drag it out any more and try to justify myself more than this to you and ruin the thread with a e-catfight, so let's just move on from it. Cheers.

>>9688626
Thank you so much for such a thorough reply anon! I think my taste is not too dissimilar to yours, I really like Innocent World but I have a bad feeling that anything that they've put out is gonna be too big on me overall and too small in the bust.
I do have a specific question actually, what about jackets/coats? Have you found any brands fit you particularly well or particularly badly?

I'll be on the look out for cuts with corset lacing, although I'm worried that there just might be too much material still.

>>9688846
I hope you get stretch marks on your saggy tits

>>9688965
I've only owned a few coats from Baby and AP, and I've never had a problem with any of them. I don't mind my coats a little bigger, though.

For dresses I have that are a bit big or that look a bit bunched in the back, you can always wear them with a cardigan in a pinch. My bff helped me buy Sweet Cream House for my birthday one year, and even though it's too big I can't bring myself to sell it. So I wear it with a blouse and a cardigan usually, and it looks less big and frumpy, more cozy.

>>9688837
Not that anon, but man you are embarrassing yourself. Let it go and stop shitting up the thread.

>>9688983
Shut the fuck up.

>>9689011
You must be 18+ to use 4chan

>>9689018
XDDD it's funny bc ur saying I'm underage leleleleldllelelelelele

>>9689020
How ugly are you to be this rotten, sweety?

It's a LARPing man gulls. Move on an ignore the bait please

>>9689131
Stop projecting

>>9689232
Why do men like to come here to cause drama? You're not very convincing anon.

>>9689232
No seriously, how bad is it??

>>9689235
I can show you a pic of my vagina, would that convince you? Or would you still be this delusional and think everything you don't agree with is caused by the /r9k/ boogieman?

>>9689239
>someone says something I don't like
> y-you must be so u-ugly

Bet it took you forever to come up with that one

>>9689240
That would be expected of a bitter whore, to offer her vagina first and foremost. You can just start with your face and body though lmfao

>>9689241
Well, you really don't have room to pull the "be more original" card, seeing how everything you've said is cookie cutter bait.

>>9689242
Why would I post my face on cgl after insulting people? So you can give me shit on my social media? You aren't even a lolita are you? If you were you would never suggest that someone out themselves as a gull

>>9689244
You want cookie cutter? I'll give you cookie cutter

Kill yourself you fat bitch

>>9689245
I get the feeling you won't do it because it's hideous. You can censor the eyes, it's not that dangerous unless you're a moron.

>>9689246
I have facial features that would be easily recognized with the following that I have. I know since you're a bland nobody you don't understand this, but I'm not willing to post my face or anything identifying on 4chan just to prove a point to a worthless piece of shit.

I will post my pussy for you though, since you clearly want it. All you have to do is beg.

>>9689245
I applaud you for your effort /r9k/ baiter, but your act is transparent and way too unoriginal to pass as anything more than poor quality bait. 1/10.

>>9689246
NAYRT but what idiot would actually post themselves on /cgl/ after shitposting like this and behaving like an insufferable bitch?

>>9689249
>I have facial features that would be easily recognized
Like a stubbly man chin? Don't know anyone like that.

>>9689250
I have proof and you know what you have to do if you want it so badly

>>9689252
Wow, very original.

I know you're stupid but at least try and come up with something better, okay? I told you I have proof, and you know how to get it, so get to it.

>>9689251
Ssshhh, you'll scare it away

>>9689255
Stop projecting so hard. Clearly you have some issues with your own femininity.

>>9689254
Why are you so insistent on posting your mtf roastie toasty online? Are you that desperate for a (you)?

>>9689255
You are also behaving like an insufferable bitch, for the record. Both of you need to shut the fuck up and take this somewhere else.

>>9689257
>mtf

Lel, is this your fetish? Is that why you keep insisting I'm a guy?

You're the one wanting proof, I'm offering proof, all you have to do is beg for my pussy

>>9689256
Lmao of man, you are either bait or one amazing lulcow of a fuck up irl
>>9689259
>>9689259
NTAYRT but it's kinda funny. I think she might actually post her vagina, that would be pretty hilarious and disturbing. The perfect clusterfuck of a /cgl/ thread

>>9689260
No one will beg for your pussy here just like nobody is going to beg for your puss irl. Nice attempt at some creepy wish fulfillment though

>>9689264
>thinking shitposting anonymously has any baring on what kind of a person I am IRL

You spend WAY too much time on 4chan and place way too much importance on it if you think you can accurately judge me as a person based on a couple of posts.

>>9689266
>no one will beg for your pussy irl

Oh anon, you couldn't be more wrong.

>>9689268
>Oh anon, you couldn't be more wrong.
Nah. Take you wish fulfillment elsewhere, it's pretty disturbing that you are practically begging us to ask for your vagina honestly

>>9689268
>based on a couple of posts.
>a couple posts
Damn, she can't count either. Truly a masterpiece of disaster to behold.

>>9689278
Please count all of my posts and display to the class how autistic you are.

And really, if you do think you can judge me as a person from a bit of shitposting I did on 4chan you should probably seek professional help from a therapist because your ideas of how the world works are very skewed.

>>9689241
>>9689245
>>9689249
>>9689254
>>9689260
>>9689268
>>9689281
>a couple posts

>>9689281
You're the only one autistic here hun. It's very sad to watch you be this desperate for attention on a cospay/egl board. You've become boring and repetitive anyways, afraid you've jumped the shark

>>9689282
So you are saying you can properly evaluate me as a person, know the fundamentals about me and my situation, from seven shitposts that don't actually mention much about me on 4chan?

You must be the cutting edge in psychological evaluations, are you sponsored? What are your findings on childhood trauma leading to shitposting in adulthood?

>>9689284
Riddle me this, because I can't quite figure it out. If I am as boring and repetitive as you say I am why are you still replying and trying to get a response out of me?

>>9689285
Well, are you a troll or not? Is this the part you tell the class you're pretending to be retarded? If you're not pretending, you certainly seem very unstable by your posts. Is it normal for you to ask an anonymous image board to beg for your vagina to you?

>>9689288
I dunno doc, you tell me, you're the expert here.

>>9689287
I've made like two posts to you, you're the one camping the thread because you made yourself drag queen bait lol you gotta get your life together, or at least be more entertaining as our fool.

>>9689289
Cant tell you anything, you have to tell me about you first then we work from there. I don't think you understand how shrinks work, you should probably go see one however. I think you may actually be retarded. But you're not one of my clients so I can't say for sure.

>>9689290
Congrats, in this one post you've managed to sound more like an edgy 12 year old than I have in an entire thread of shitposting, and I even told someone to kill themselves. Please tell me your secrets.

>>9689293
Come on now, you said you could judge me from my shitposts. Don't back out on me now.

>>9689295
I trying to make one, based on your initial shitposts I am disturbed about your openers to promiscuity online, you need for attention, ect ect, the first evalution will lead to questions I ask the client. If you can't comply with answering basic questions I deduce that you probably have a severe mental disorder.

>>9689294
not that anon but the secret is to get better bait

>>9688303
Really? I’ve been looking at all the wrong sites for measurements, then. I do know that I can’t lift my arms in my Bodyline OP and Magic Tea Party blouse, though.

>>9688477

This is me
>>9688390

I have literally never been to the gym or lifted weights in my life but work very, very hard at my job. I volunteered at riding schools all through my teens and was forever frustrated that the more physical activity I did, the more weight I put on. I was always the heaviest in my class even when I got to a size where people started putting their hands all the way around my waist. It made no sense to me. Frustrating as hell.

I like that lolita hides my thunder thighs. I hate that people most likely assume my arms are just fat in tight blouses though. My back is too wide for lots of things but there can be a lot of sag in the waist. I'm short so dresses that are too long make me look stumpy, but an inch above the knee shows the size of my legs. My lower thigh is comparable to other people's upper thigh so it looks particularly bad/slutty on me if a skirt is 2cm too short.

>>9689405
Probably. Are you measuring from shouldertip to shouldertip? Mine are 37cm when measured that way and while I do have trouble with certain OPs and blouses, I've also found plenty of stuff that does fit me. IW's size L, Baby's oldschool blouses and M/L blouses from various Taobao brands fit me comfortably. I can't imagine someone with 30cm shoulders encountering anything that's too small for them unless they're trying to wear clothes meant for children.

I've struggled with this so much. I've lost a lot of weight and can finally fit into brand but always feel a bit strange as I have more of an hourglass figure. Additionally my face looks like a horse took a shit.

>>9681940
>Don't be embarassed about it, just ask.
The girls in my comm are fucking retarded or secretly hate me so this doesn't work either.

>>9695923
Are you me, anon?

I help people adjust petticoats and comb their fringes but nobody even bothers for me.

>>9662416
>However a lot of the asians ones do seem more professionally shot
Heavily Photoshoped to adjust lightning and remove imperfections, not to talk about swooping the whole face if needed/liked. A lot more Asians understand how to use Photoshop and similar tools good compared to Western people who on average use it less and make more misstakes. The "professional" thing is a big part adjusting light well instead of using some filter app.

>Bottom line is, can non asian lolitas look just as good as asian lolitas
Yes. Generally, just dress for your body and something that suits you. East-Asians do have some common features in their race that make most humans naturally think they are more cute or look better (wide cheekbones and downturned tearducts are examples) and more often take good care of their skin, but there is no way you can't overcome that with proper styling. Just style for how you look, not how you want to look.

anyone in this thread smoke weed?

>>9701814
I'm finally having a stonerlita meetup tomorrow and looking forward to it. The mint tea will be flowing,

>>9701814
I do, why do you ask?

>>9662416
Wish I was girl so I could dress like that.

>>9706892
You can become one!
[lolnospoiler]That's the wish I'm making true for myself.
Now this is is a reason to worry one might not look good in lolita.[/lolnospoiler]

>>9688846
Wtf? Why were you complaining about how it fits you if you don't even wear the style then?

Sounds to me like you just wanted to tell everyone you're skinny w big tits, and congrats, you might be

If you want to attention whore cgl isn't the place, go back to facebook

>>9688846
The fuck? what are you like a size G titty monster? I wear a D cup and I can still wear larger sized lolita coord comfortably and attractively. You don't have to be a twig to wear lolita well.