/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Lol at the woman on the Rufflechat thread about aging saying that she has amazing genes and everyone says she looks so much younger. Whenever people say this they look either their age or older so I clicked on her page. She looks like she's in her 40s and is super haggard. So embarrassing and delusional.

>>9653979
I'm an older Lolita and don't think I'll ever graduate the fashion completely, but as far as tips go: we need to look at ourselves in the most unflattering light possible. Not the mindset, literally light, as in lamps as well as natural light. See any jowls, wrinkles, stuff like that? Others see that too. Always look worse in pictures than in the mirror? The pictures show the truth, believe it.

There's no clear line for anything, but if you're aware that you don't have the most youth full face or cute features to start with, maybe it's time to graduate:
Sweet, including plastic accessories. With a haggard face, you look unhinged and probably dangerous in sweet.
Bright pastels
Prints with large hearts, bears, toys, nursery stuff, candy and sweets
Edgy prints with religious themes like heaps of crosses, and nun dresses.
Other J-fashion that implies youth and is mostly made up of glitter, pastel, and unicorns
Tea parties and ankle socks
Bright or unnaturally colored wigs (they draw attention to the fact that your face is not what it used to be)
Anything that is "sexy" in normie fashion. Combining platform heels with lolita to look taller, or a push up bra to give you cleavage where it shouldn't be, will only make you look desperate and at least slightly unhinged.

>>9653979
>>9653993
Agreed. People always tell me I look younger and can easily pass for a teenager, but the harsh reality is that I'm heading towards my thirties and some things just don't suit me anymore. A few weeks ago I was on vacation and headed out into the city wearing a brightly-colored ETC dress with a busy print, equally bright accessories, teaparty-style shoes and twin braids. It resembled something I'd seen Misako wear in a street snap so I thought it would be fine. All day people kept staring at me, and when I got back and caught myself in the unflattering and unfamiliar hotel mirror I realized that I looked like a grown woman dressed as an 8-year-old. I've since dumped the teaparties, changed my go-to lazy hairstyle and only coord that particular dress with more muted colors. It was a sobering moment.

>>9654029
Fuck, this makes me so sad. I'm 26 now and up till now never really had the chance to properly get into lolita or any alternative fashion for that matter. Now that I have the time/money I'm constantly looking at sales and auctions & see things I like but I have that constant nagging voice in my head 'you shouldn't bother spending money on that, you'll be able to wear things like that for another year at best'. How do you deal with feelings like that?

What do you think of sleepmask headdresses? Is there a tutorial for one anywhere?

>>9654029
>>9653993
This is such bullshit. The only thing you need to be aware of is fit and unflattering colours. A 50 year old wearing a sweets print isn't more weird than an 18 year old wearing a baby toys print.

>>9654052
That's like saying a 17yo in a miniskirt and a 40yo in a miniskirt are the same. Even with the exact same weight and bodytype other people are going to react very differently. In the end it's about when you feel how people treat you and how you see other people your age overrides what you want to keep wearing. For some people that's 15 and others it's 50, but there is a very noticable difference at 30 and it's not just a few people acting that way. Honestly it's the majority, even in glorious Nippon. Especially there actually.

>>9653979
I'm of mixed race which I think is the only reason anyone tells me I look younger than I am. I don't agree because I see my wrinkles starting, but the fact that people on the street tell me this only tells me that most people can't determine age from just looking at someone.

It's not just when I wear lolita either. I've been told this when dressed normally. I had to take a test in my state to be a bartender, and part of the test I took teaches about judging age off of someone's face. It's fucking nearly impossible. They present random faces of which they don't tell you the gender of, and you have to guess their age and I remember getting them all wrong the first time.

I mean sometimes you can get it right - the person that looks young is, but most of the time they're not the age you're thinking.

I think people just like to say things and be shocked. I don't know why anyone takes a strangers opinion to heart. Same thing with anons, though. You're all just strangers and there's no reason to take it to heart.

>>9654051
I haven't seen any tutorials, but you could probably just follow a tutorial for a rectangle headdress and change the shape and trims a bit to get a sleep mask.

>>9654051
Google regular sleep mask tutorials and add some lace and ribbons.

What is this bullshit, we're talking about a fashion where you wear huge-ass petticoats, tricorns, cakes and skulls on your head, and suddenly people are concerned about normies staring. Wtf.
If you give so much of a shit about what society thinks about how you look/dress, maybe lolita is not for you.
This is the same kind of bs as "you shouldn't wear lolita if you're fat/ugly/black/tall/etc."
It's a different story if you dress a certain way and that makes you feel uncomfortable in your own skin, but saying it's a rule that people shouldn't wear certain things after a certain age is just stupid.
"You're not allowed to have fun when you're old" yeah fuck you.
I'm 30 and I intend to wear whatever I want for the rest of my life, if someone's gonna judge me for that they can suck a fat one lol. If I live long enough I'm gonna be that crazy grandma who goes skydiving in lolita, zero fucks given.

>>9654057
If you agree with that mindset, lolita is just not for you.

>>9654052
>A 50 year old wearing a sweets print isn't more weird than an 18 year old wearing a baby toys print.

Only if the fifty year old looks thirty years younger than she is. You're not going to tell me that this looks the same as when Misako wears it. There's just faces that don't work with sweet, and that risk increases when faces get older. Mutton dressed as lamb (avoid those lamb and bunny easter prints too). It looks creepy even if you're not in any shape or form a fetishist or some other kind of pervert. If you don't look dangerous, you look sad, and people worrying you're mentally ill is not the effect most people go for with their frills. If you turn around and people are shocked at your face combined with the outfit (and I guarantee that with Andrea people are), it means you're probably too old for it.

There's bodies too of course, but if you have good posture and aren't hugely fat an aging body isn't going to look as awful as a significantly aging face, not in the least because the body's aging skin is covered in fabric with this fashion (unlike that of aging mall goths who insist on wearing "sexy" hot topic stuff over their saggy bits even after they hit forty).

>>9654029
>>9654049
Chin up, anons. Classic can definitely look better on people who've grown out of their childish features. You can also wear most art prints like those of JetJ, and there's plenty of items in muted colors and patterns that aren't OTT, so you really don't have to give the fashion up entirely. Innocent World, Mary Magdalene etc. all work better than Baby and Angelic Pretty. The Gothic style is also very versatile.

>>9654080
Is this bait? That's a known trans man that everyone hates

>>9654076
No one said you can't wear lolita as you get older, just that certain substyles, in particular sweet, become harder to pull off. No one thinks it's weird when a teen girl or a twenties woman wears stuff that is cute and twee, after that it gets harder and harder to pull off.

>I'm gonna be that crazy grandma who goes skydiving in lolita, zero fucks given.

I have a skydiving license and would not risk my dresses getting bunched up under that harness.

It's not an all or nothing game, anon. Just saying that for many of us, as we age, we may have to (and want to) carefully tweak our style and our lolita wardrobe, to keep it elegant instead of veering into cringey.

>>9654083
Not bait, just an example of a face that's absolutely too old for lolita. Plenty of younger brolita's can pull off sweet, this dude cannot because of his advanced age. He just missed the train.

>>9654083
>transwoman
ftfy

>>9654076
Mte, they are projecting their own insecurities on others. Sure, normies will think I look creepy with my wrinkles and pink dress, but they will also think that when I wear classic or gothic like I'm the woman in black or some shit. The pressure of society gets worse when you're a working adult, what else is new.

>>9654091
>/pol/ tier comment

>>9654094
Don't pretend that "normies" don't react differently to sweet, classic and gothic.

>>9654088
>No one thinks it's weird when a teen girl or a twenties woman
Yes they do anon

...Do these look good on anyone except models in photoshoots? The weird impulsive part of my brain wants them bad, but I'm worried they might look really stupid IRL.

>>9654057
Agree. There's plenty of young girls who also look bad in mini skirts, but they're forgiven because no one expects them to have figured things like personal style out yet. And it's also a fact that young people just have firmer skin, and can show more of it without grossing other people out.

>>9654102
They look okay on people with skinny legs.

>>9654099
We're saying that if you are wearing lolita, you already look like a weirdo to normies. It's true that that's worse when you have a career compared to when you were a student. It's not true that sweets prints become less flattering with age, some people look unattractive in anything, they just look less weird in normie clothes. If your goal is to look more acceptable to normies, I don't understand why you wear lolita. Classic and gothic have "weird" prints too, but normies prefer dark colours over pink and pastels.

>>9654088
See, there's a significant semantic gap between "want to" and "have to" and that's what gets my bloomers in a twist - claiming that anyone HAS TO do anything because of external factors, when the whole point of wearing alt fashion is to say "fuck you society" through what you wear. For some people, this may be about looking elegant, for others, about wearing pink vomit and plastic jewelry. Saying "this is my personal choice because this is what I like and feel comfortable with" is one thing, claiming that there are "rules for what's age-appropriate" is another, and it's complete garbage. Nothing about lolita is appropriate from the majority's perspective - that is its whole point.
If a wrinkly 50 year old man wants to wear pastel dresses because it makes him happy - let him. It's not like he's harming anyone with that (apart from a few gulls' self-esteem). The only people who will mind are a handful of normie nobodies and some salty anonymous bitches on the internet.

>>9654094
Yeah man, I've had enough of this bullshit that older women are not allowed anything but to be sad and bitter all the time because they're "past their prime" and women are only valid when they're young (and preferably pretty). I'm just sick of hearing it from gulls / other lolitas, because there's enough pressure from the normies for "our kind" to be adding onto it. If we don't try to break the mould, nothing's gonna change ffs.
Though who am I kidding, CGL is not the place to be ranting about being accepting and open-minded lol.

>>9654102
They look awful and cheap. I hate those fucking socks.

this thread reminds me of some conversations i saw on the old livejournal, where a lot of the pre-2010 teenyboppers collectively decided that adults wearing lolita was icky. i wonder how many of them are having the same crisis now lmao

>>9654102
As someone who pretty much only owns pink printless dresses, these are the type of socks I live in

>>9654105
Hm. Might not be for me, then. I'm skinny, but I have dancer calves.

>>9654122
I've only ever seen them in pics of Anna Tsuchiya, but from your reaction, I'll take it that you've seen them IRL and they're fugly?

>>9654129
A lot of people have the replicas, that's probably what anon has seen

>>9654077
I've been wearing altfashion since I could buy my own clothes. It's like I said, if you feel uncomfortable in it you won't enjoy it. If people you meet are regularly treating you oddly and it makes you feel bad about yourself and you can't get over it you have to make yourself happy. The more uncomfortable you look and feel the more people will make fun of you for it.

It's a personal case by case thing, but at the same time you can't pretend an edgy satanist goth is going to be just as accepted in portland as the bible belt. Some people just can't handle it long term or when other problems in their life pop up.

>>9654120
Yeah I'm definitely not talking about anything like that. I was talking about how some people can't handle the "pressure" of wearing lolita or other alt-fashion and some could but no longer feel comfortable for various reasons. I had social anxiety, as in actual diagnosed panic attacks and vomiting, and dressing up ended up being one of the things that really helped me feel more confident and happier.

>>9654130
desu the replicas look the same as the originals, provided that they aren't too short.
these socks look fine imo, just overworn because of their versatility.

>>9654134
Do you have comparison pictures?

>>9654131
This discussion started because there is a list up here of guidelines and things you should graduate from if you don't have a youthful face and people agreeing with that

>>9654134
>>9654141
Seconding, I'd like to see too.

>>9654128
Are they comfortable? Do you have the BTSSB ones or the replicas?

>>9654134
I have replicas, only bc they never have stock of the white ones. I can take a picture if anyone is interested.

>>9654154
I'd be very interested if you would!

>>9654131
exactly what >>9654143 said, I probably should've tagged my initial posts as replies to the post with the list, but the thread was still short so I didn't bother.
The bottomline is that any mindset, principle or set of rules is fine and dandy as long as you apply it to yourself (not you specifically, an abstract "you"), as soon as you start forcing it onto others you can fuck off right away.

Note: I don't mean the objective rules of the fashion like wearing a petti, blouse, etc. even though those can be flexible, too, I mean trying to pass "rules" based on nothing but subjectivity and the general consensus on what's "appropriate" for a certain age, gender, and so on.

>>9654076
You sound really fucking annoying, but I agree with this sentiment. If you care what people think about how you look, alternative fashion isn’t for you. And whining about how people think you’re ugly on fb is just pathetic.
And to be a broken record player: If you dont want strangers to rip your photos apart don’t post them online.

>>9654052
I agree. It's dependent on each person and not on blanket age statements. For example, Misako and Shelby Cloud still wear the fashion well.

If said 30+ y/o has taken very good care of themselves through sunscreen/exercise/etc, they will look way younger. I have seen some 20 year olds who look 30 or older because of relentless tanning, no skincare regimen, and cakey makeup.

I'm in my mid-20's, and instead of swearing off sweet and pastels, I just wear them in more flattering ways and in smaller doses/less OTT.

>>9654049
seeing posts like this is what inspires me even more to still wear lolita even when my face is wrinkly and my body is aging. why should that stop me from doing and wearing what i love?i swear to god we live in a society that is obsessed with women looking youthful and its soooo tiring. i am 27, i love sweet lolita and i do NOT dress in this fashion to please anyone but myself. if you care so much about what other people think about how you look, maybe lolita is not something you should get into anyway. lolita looks strange and maybe someone will think bad stuff about you when you wear it but whoooooo caaaaares come on???? just buy the stuff you like, wear it, and be happy. simple as that.

>>9654215
Okay.

>>9654049

If it helps you any, I got into it at 29. The voice in my head said "If you don't do NOW, you'll never ever do it. Are you really happy sitting on the sidelines watching everybody else have fun?" My grandparents lived past their 80s, so when I turned 29 I had this vision of turning 40, then 50, 60, 70, 80 and every decade thinking regretting ever thinking 29 is too old to do something fun.

So I got my ass in gear and started getting things together. I thought I had maybe a year or two, and then I'd sell off everything, but at least I'd have done it. Turns out I'm still here, and like the other anon, apparently you can coord the sweet pastel OTT stuff with some toned down stuff so you don't look crazy. I haven't even sold off all my sweet stuff, turns out some pastel dresses still look okay if you throw on some brown shoes and a brown cardi.

In other words, go for it. If the money worries you, figure out a budget you can live with, plan to sell it all off after a year if that helps you. YOLO, anon. Do it now and get some good photos/stories to show/tell the nurse you'll meet when you're 80 and in a nursing home.

>>9654049
You could wear one of those cute face masks that cover the bottom half of your face.

>>9654163
Here's my replica pair. I'm 5 foot and they are OTKs.

>>9654049
In my thirties and I'm still buying and wearing the things I want in lolita, so you do you, anon.

Regarding the overall discussion, it's not ironic to anyone else that we're claiming to be defying age/societal norms about youth/not caring about the limitations of age while wearing a fashion that's all about youthful feelings and capturing a specific moment in a young girl's life? I don't care either way what someone's life choices are regarding this, but to claim to not care about wanting to recapture youth while wearing a fashion that's all about youth strikes me as cognitively dissonant.

>>9654230
>defying age/societal norms about youth/not caring about the limitations of age
>capturing a specific moment in a young girl's life
>implying this is a contradiction
That's exactly it though, according to modern society hair bows and frilly dresses are for young girls and anyone over the age of ten shouldn't be dressing like this. Wearing lolita because you like it regardless of your age is doing exactly this, defying societal norms of gender and age to recapture a moment/image/dream of young girls, because you damn well want to because it makes you happy.

>>9654226
Honestly that does look pretty cheap. Then again you aren't getting anywhere near that close or in detail irl or most coord pics.

>>9654120
one thing is the right-to-wear what you want. And all that is very good. Freedom is good.

But from the point of view from that one fashion-lover who strives for perfection and refined aesthetic, the question of whether age is relevant for the choice of style appears in a more relevant light.

As much as I want to ignore that fact, I believe it is important. I love sweet, and I am getting old. Soon I get more wrinkles and imperfections that really throw off styles in pastels. For me it is now a challenge to make it work, but it takes some sacrifices.

>>9654234
Right, I have no argument with those who are wearing it because they like it. I'm talking about the ones who are saying, "I don't care about looking young" yet the core tenet of lolita is recapturing youth.

I'm saying that lolita itself is about looking young, so to claim to not care about looking young at all is a contradiction to the fashion itself.

It must really suck to give up wearing things you like because society and some mean anons said you shouldn’t wear it anymore.

>>9654241
>lolita itself is about looking young
Is it though? IW's designer herself tweeted that the clothes she designs are for girls and women of all ages "from 10 to 90" https://twitter.com/innocentfujiwar/status/915947938748051456
I doubt the other designers think very differently.
"Capturing the dreams of young girls" ≠ "Looking like young girls"

>>9654236
Yeah I wish I had a real pair to compare to, but like you said no one can tell the difference from afar.

>>9654243
I wish fatasses would be half as sensitive and stop shoving their rolls into clothes that don't fit them. Older women can still look elegant in lolita, fatasses can't.

>>9654243
ffs

i can't take anybody seriously as a lolita if they care this much about weird rules that aren't the basic structure of an outfit. if people care this much, they're clearly dressing for other's tastes and not for themselves.

Shoutout to everyone who told this cunt to fuck off.

>>9654272
does she even wear lolita? can't tell if she's a stupid kid or an immature socially inept weirdo

part of me wants her to get banned but the other part of me likes seeing how people respond to her inane questions

>>9654277
I doubt she's an actual lolita. She has 0 self awareness and no grip on reality.

>>9654272
Ugh some of my friends liked her post.
She's just mad because she doesn't want to get a real job to pay for nice things.

>>9654272
I didn’t think people still used the term ‘brandwhore’ seriously.

>>9654272
I have literally never been approached by an "annoying brandwhore" who tried to give me "killjoy BS" in a decade of wearing lolita, including my (embarrassingly long) Bodyline ita phase. Where are these people getting this from?

>>9654272
Is she ok mentally?

>>9654294
Forgot to mention but these are all comments she posted in RCU, not on her personal page or anything.

>>9654291
It’s because it didn’t happen. I’m sure what ACTUALLY happened was a girl wearing brand walked by this bitch, bitch made some noise to get the attention of the brand girl, they talked, bitch asked a question, and brand girl gave some advice something along the lines of ‘Bodyline isn’t worth it, secondhand market is great’ or ‘the quality from bla bla is better than bla bla’ or even what happened to me when I got called a brandwhore cunt ‘Oh, thanks for the compliment! This is Angelic Pretty’s Powder Rose! It’s really high quality, it’s definitely worth the price!’ because insecure itas will take talking positively about brand is shitting on Bodyline.

>>9654272
She's weird and wrong, but it's also worth noting that several of people who went in right for the kill are itas themselves. RC is just a mess of people overcompensating for their inability to dress themselves.

I've only just started to use facebook for lolita (other than for my comm), so what is acceptable in tone for Rufflechat? I keep seeing people that I want to call out, or to make posts talking about things that might offended the worst of lolitas, but I don't want to be seen as a bitch by my entire comm lmao (I've been in it since I was 14, so no ones ever really liked me too much since day one rip). Will I get kicked out for being honest or?? This sounds retarded,but I'm too used to the attitude of 4chan and btb that I don't know what other places are like.

>>9654316
wow sorry youre a cunt

>>9654294
She's apparently ESL, but that doesn't excuse the obnoxious weeb shit or brandwhore pwning fantasy.

>>9654303
The more active someone is discussing/shitposting about lolita online, the less likely they are to dress well.

>>9654316
Call someone out and see what happens.

>>9654146
I had the replicas- unwearably small. Don't do it if you have anything besides super skinny legs.

>>9654330
Keep in mind that these socks don't stretch that much and since you're buying them from a chinese site, are sized for chinese girls. The main thing if you want to buy the replicas is to make sure to get the 68 cm ones instead of the 58 cm ones.

>>9654316
the excess of tumblr punctuation already reveals way too much about your personality

get some social awareness

>>9654248
IW's designs reflect her statement - it's been mentioned in multiple threads that it's possible to wear some IW in a professional setting when toned down. That sort of flexibility isn't present in most sweet designs, which is part of what kicked off the entire discussion.

AP's statement does reflect your mention about young girls' dreams, but isn't inclusive of women like IW's (and thus the designs reflect this):

"Angelic Pretty provides adorable clothes covered in lace, frills and ribbons like that of the fairytale princess you dreamed about as a little girl. We want girls to never lose sight of that dream and this is a brand for girls who want to keep that dream alive."

I see capturing and looking like going hand in hand, you can't really have one without the other. And I don't see anything wrong with that - I think that as lolitas we've simply chosen a different avenue for the same desire of youth that everyone has.

>>9654316
If you have to ask then the answer is don't do it

https://youtu.be/UZVTw_EqKUU

Anyone else seen this train wreck?

>>9654345
AP purple label is designed for older women and still has "childish" prints

>>9654371
No physical drop??

>>9654381
nayrt but purple label? I've never heard of that, only seen the pink labels. Do you have any pictures or examples?

>>9654409
Victorian Tassel has a purple label

>>9653993
This is retarded, big poofy A-line skirt classic looks just as outlandish as cupcake sweet to normies. And the part about not looking sexy is just odd, older women are expected to look sexy. If you want to try ero, go for it

>>9654409
Antoinette Decoration is also purple label

>>9654409
Everything on the purple side of the shop

>>9654186
I totally agree with the taking care of yourself part. I know quite a few girls who look 5 years older because of their intense desire to be a leather couch and abuse of tanning beds/cigarettes. Getting into lolita was actually a major factor in me really getting into skincare/exercise, which will be a lifelong benefit.

Everything is case-by-case. Body types, face shapes, personality.I fully believe that there is a style that will flatter everyone, and they'll find it. I started the fashion in my early twenties and am about to hit thirty. I have toned some things down, my tastes a little more on the elegant side, but I will still continue to wear it.

>>9654409
Hello newfag

Thought I was going insane, couldn't find the right general for days.
But I'm not giving up.
Please, does anyone know what happened to victoriangirldress on ebay?
I just wanted a petticoat.

>>9654277
She's like an asian auntie with delusions of being a lolita.

>>9654049
I'm 30 and I'll be wearing my sweet as a 300 year old skeleton in my fucking grave because I do it for me. Though it is true to learn to use the right makeup for the right times and don't go OTT without a reason. Also have a diverse range in your wardrobe so it's not just crazy ass pastel vomit. It's also important to stay healthy as you get older so don't start looking like a troll.

>>9654080
>If you don't look dangerous, you look sad, and people worrying you're mentally ill is not the effect most people go for with their frills.

Sorry but we all look mental ill to normies. Muted tones or not...

>>9654120
Please let me love you anon

OT but definitely reminded me how old I am and how dead LJ is. I have the EGL LJ synced with my RSS reader and the past couple days have been very active with this one dweeb posting her shitty lolita guides

https://egl.livejournal.com/20141593.html

there were others that are still in my RSS reader, i can post screenshots, they were great. one even had her posting a shitty DoL replica jsk saying "Girls look me in the eyes. Is it always ita?? This one piece is perfectly made by an experienced lolita. I dont have more to say."

>>9654409
No wonder you don't get it...

>>9654412
>>9654442
>>9654444
Thanks for the help! I just checked the archive, it looks like DDC and some of the cross motif dresses have it too.
>>9654493
Get what? I'm not the anon that was the point of lolita, if that's what you're thinking.

>>9654505
*arguing about the point of lolita
oops

>>9654505
You are embarrassingly new. The pink label is for the more girlish sweet releases, while the purple is for what AP considers their more mature releases.

>>9654507
You're just restating what the first anon said. I just asked for some examples.

As an older person (30) who wears the fashion, I think less is more. I would never attempt OTT at this age, and I feel uncomfortable wearing anything too sweet. I know what's best for my hourglass body shape, and I coordinate conservatively; this includes makeup.

I stay away from anything TOO frilly: tea parties or shoes with too many bows, headbows, sweet prints, lots of ruffles. I gravitate towards oldschool anyway, so it's quite nice. A lot of older lolitas, I've noticed, tend to really pile on the makeup. I'm not sure that's the way to go.

>>9654509
lurk moar newfag

>>9654248
i wholeheartedly agree with this

>>9654120
this.
all of this post.
getting real tired of all that bullshit lately

>>9654425
It doesn't, unless you live in a place full of slobs who only wear t-shirts and jeans. Normies in dressier areas who see a Mary Magdalene dress with poof just think it's fifties inspired and get on with their day. They give you a compliment or two and do not think you need professional help.

There have been a bunch of anons in other threads who say people look at them weirdly if they even dress up the normie way, in like a skirt or dress from Anthropologie. I you live somewhere where people think you're "overdressed" when you're not wearing sweatpants and a t-shirt with food stains, of course they're going to act up if someone dresses more fashionably. It's not that they think you're crazy, it's that they want to drag you down like crabs in a bucket and are paranoid about you "thinking you're better" because you're not a slob.

>>9654486
Wasn't that a post from 2014? And it's gone now?

The last what did you by post there is from July :/

>>9654464
i havent seen their shop since 2014/15
just go to bunnyhouse (or mlt if you can wait). theyre same quality huge poof or smaller options.

>>9654595
Thank you! I haven't been around for quite some time so was feeling a bit lost.

>>9654583
As someone who lives in a big city - I find there's a mix of both of those kids of people and you're going to get different reactions varying by person.

You guys try to make everything black n white.

>>9654291

This, it's the girls in bodyline/replicas who've given me shit over my burando.

>>9654478
>>9654561
thanks so much, I was a bit embarrassed that my post ended up so ranty and obnoxious (apologies to the anon who found my tone annoying), I just felt that it needed to be said. I'm so glad to see that someone agrees with me. ILY guys.

All of us are gonna get old someday - if we're lucky and don't kick the bucket sooner - skincare, makeup, plastic surgery can help with looking better and younger, but you can't stop ageing. The worst thing you can do about it is perpetuate this stupid stereotype that you must "age gracefully" and give up certain things, even if they make you really happy, setting yourself and a bunch of other women up for a pretty shitty and miserable life. Youth lasts only about 20-24 years, there's a whole lot of life after that, stop forcing these expiry dates on yourselves and on one another.

>>9654154
Wunderwelt has the AAtP white ones in stock right now. Also ivory but not black.

>>9653965
I'm not reading all this autism. I just wanted to say that its nice to see a picture of people having fun and not looking crazy in the eyes.

Interesting news for all you Moitie whores out there!

>>9654723
>Wunderwelt

Wunderwelt just needs to get access to selling Atelier Boz next and I think all my dreams will be met.

I thought Wunderwelt already carried MMM though, or is it going to become more of a Sheglit situation where they always carry their (mostly) full line of stock?

WTF, simply26 is 37?

>>9653979
Thank god I'm black so I can't crack.

>>9654291
I've seen it once. The girl was 16.

>>9654737
She was 26 sometime around 2006, wasn't she? Makes sense.

>>9654738
This is a meme made by white people who can't tell the age of black people because they weren't raised around them and are therefore unfamiliar with black faces and the aging process

>>9654760
Not that anon but I like this meme. I'd like to continue to get carded into my 30s.

>>9654083
Do people in the community dislike trans people in general or just old ugly ones? Asking for a friend

>>9654762
Enjoy your subtle racism, fucking nigger cunt.

Ok let's be real for a second, black girls wearing lolita are on the same level as brolitas. They're too masculine for it to work. :/

>>9654767
Ok let’s be real for a second, this kind of race bait is really boring :/

>>9654772
I know it's upsetting to have people thinking you're overly masculine if you're a woman but it's literally a stereotype. Look at what happened to Michelle Obama. Masculine black woman, to the point people thought she was a tranny. But she's just your average black woman...

>>9654772
Please don't respond to bait.

>>9654778
It's not b8 it's true

>>9654763
Being a Admin for my Comm, I'm also a TERF. There have been a few trans members who have requested to join, but were rejected because we prefer not to have any trans people in our Comm. We have a number of feminists and we agree that trans people cannot be in the spectrum of feminism. Lolita is feminism. The same goes for brolitas too.

>>9654780
Glad I'm nowhere near you or your comm

>>9654737

the fuck, simply26 was a real person who's still around?

I thought it was an elaborate troll...

>>9654727
Anon they bought the brand. WW OWNS Moitie now. Not just distribution rights.

>>9654764
>>9654767
>>9654779
Samefag please go try and trigger some tumblrinas elsewhere. I'm genuinely interested in the topics going on here and you're going to derail it because you're fucking bored.

>>9654780
>Lolita is feminism
God you guys sound fun at a party.

>>9654763
In general I think they're fine with them. That particular trans person just really sucks. Looks have almost nothing to do with it in my case at least.

>>9654797
>inappropriate use of samefag
>baww Idk how to hide posts I don't like :(

Newfag pls

>>9654316
If nobody has liked you in your comm since you've been in there for at a minimum of 4 years, nobody is going to like you online either.

>>9654226
I still like these a lot, and I don't care if people think they look cheap. I could totally buy them and not post pics when I wear them to avoid the salt mine overflowing on me. But... seeing them on you makes it clear that these socks and muscly calves wouldn't be compatible. I'm a bit sad now.

Thanks for posting pic anyway, anon. I really appreciate it.

>>9654513
Why? Normies think you look retarded anyway, might as well dress cute and wear makeup?

>>9654763
I used to be super libfem trans-huggy going into lolita but after being in the community and dealing with trans on a regular basis for a few years, I now heavily lean gendercritical. I'm not alone in my comm but it's not an opinion you can openly voice without being excommunicated because even in lolita, the feelings of men who claim to be women are more important than the feelings and safety of women and girls. Every single violent, inappropriately sexual, threatening or stalker incident we've had in our comm was perpetrated by a MTF but good luck stating that fact without being banned.

>>9654780
TERF is a slur. Are you trying to troll and make us look bad?

>>9654780
As a non-TERF feminist, what comm are you part of so I can avoid having to ever interact with you?

>>9654763
Even if a trans person is ugly, as long as they're clean, friendly, dressed in a way that works with their body type, and can hold a decent conversation about lolita and things other than themselves, I honestly don't care if they're in my comm. There are plenty of ugly cis girls who do fine as lolitas too. Just don't be creepy or gross, and we're good.

>>9654486
How is that OT?

>>9654516
Yeah cause we talk about purple and pink label all the time, totally something you can learn from lurking

>>9654870
Anyone who's not fairly green to the fashion should know this anon.

>>9654875
Nayrt but I've been wearing lolita since 2009 and don't care for AP, so I had no idea they had two different labels. The girls in my comm who exclusively wear AP never talk about it either. It's not that strange. I know a girl who's been wearing exclusively Moitie for years and only just found out that BABY and AatP are sister brands. If someone doesn't care about the brand and never looks at the website, they're not that likely to find out.

>>9654880
My bad, I wasn't thinking that literal retards would read this.

We are talking about AP, so you know, I assumed the people involved with the conversation would actually have a solid grasp on the brand.

My bad, I didn't think to accommodate idiots who aren't relevant to the discussion

>>9654848
I don't know, anon, but it's complicated.

If you have someone who transitioned while they were fairly young and are not the tumblr variety gendertrender of "some women have dicks, lesbians pls suck it or else I'll put you on blast for transmisogyny!" I feel they should be welcome. Your average well-adjusted transsexual should be as welcome as your average well-adjusted cis lolita or brolita (and let's face it, no one wants a cis person with severe mental issues and/or weird fetishes they're very vocal about to join their com either).

If otoh you've got someone who transitioned rather late in life, you likely have someone on your hands who is not a real transsexual, but an autogynephiliac like Stephoknee who has a plethora of mental problems that should be handled by professionals, looks like an ogre in a way that few cis women can ever aspire to, and just can't resist the urge to smear his fetishes into people's faces; they will destroy the com if you allow them in.

No one wants to be called a TERF, but bending over backwards for the severely entitled and perverted is no way to run a com.

See Ray Blanchard's theory, and Anne Lawrence's "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies" (https://autogynephiliatruth.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf))

>>9654880
Same desu! I've been a lolita since 2010 and I stayed quiet for most of this conversation but like... I own one AP skirt and will probably never have any more. People were saying that the stores had a purple side, but I've never been. Finding out that there are two labels is blowing my mind a little right now.

>>9654882
We weren't talking only about AP but about brand demographics and statements. Should non-AP fans clasp their hands over their ears as soon as someone brings AP into an existing conversation?

>>9654883
The young "transwomen" who tried to join my comm have all been obvious fetishists too, to the point of constantly talking about how silky lingerie made them feel more like a woman, how they totally have a menstrual cycle too, and wanting to have girly sleepovers with the underage members. Now we have one who presents as a man the majority of the time but has a female/lolita "alter ego" who behaves like how they think women should behave (fake shy, constant giggling and hair flipping, no opinion on anything because she's just a silly girl) and dresses like a total ita. I hate having to embrace these guys just because there might hypothetically be a true trans woman out there somewhere who we've never met who might one day in the future want to join the comm, so in the meantime we must show goodwill and coddle these obvious fetishists? I don't get the logic but hey.

>>9654891
>>9654891
>specifically the point of APs pink and purple labels comes up
>b-but we weren't talking o-only about AP

You're an idiot, aren't you?

>>9654681
I'm glad, I was kind of regretting making this general

>>9654723
I've never used wunderwelt. Tbh I don't think much will change. Maybe they will finally change their webshop and I will miss it.

>>9654792
>Company that owns a few small businesses including wunderwelt also owns moitie now
>Wunderwelt totally bought moitie!
Think about that for a second

>>9654905
autism alert

>>9654905
Maybe you should start an APGTOW thread so you don't have to interact with us non-AP filth anymore.

>>9654911
Careful with those buzzwords kiddo. I know it's exciting to be in with the cool kids on le4chin but you can't over excite yourself like this

>>9654912
It's not my fault you don't know how to glean information or context.

>>9654456
>>9654507
>>9654516
>>9654812
>>9654914
Does calling people new make you feel good about yourselves? You know it'snot an accomplishment to be on 4chan for a long time right?

>>9654923
Spot the newfag

>>9654923
newfag

>>9654883
I will agree, it is a complicated issue. I have read a lot about autogynephilia before and we could probably argue until the cows come home on whether it exists or how important it is, so I'm not going to go there. (I actually agree to some extent but think most of the proponents of such theories take it too far and end up painting all trans people with the same brush.) Not going to touch the tumblrinas either, most of them seem to grow out of it eventually.

I do think that society is currently lazy in how it deals with mentally ill people. They're either excluded or told that they're fine and don't need professional help, leading to problems like people with extreme fetishes and no social abilities acting creepy and inserting themselves into groups where they don't belong but are too troubled to realise it. Essentially, the problem is with fetishists and creeps, rather than trans people in general. (Which is a huge problem for decent trans people too, their groups get invaded by these crazies even more than our comms do.)

I guess if your comm is regularly attracting these problem fetishists and not average trans people, banning them outright makes a degree of sense. I still think having a 0-tolerance policy on creepy behaviour and interviewing new lolitas before they come to a meet up and doing a quick background check on them makes more sense, especially if your comm has children in it, but I suppose banning all trans people solves that particular problem too and is easier. (Though watch out for cis female predators. We had one show up to my old comm once, she arrived drunk, groped my friend in ouji "to see if she had balls", and was generally disgusting the whole meetup. We actually started interviewing people because of her.)

>>9654780
TERF and SWERF are slurs used by trans activists to discourage questions and discredit legitimate criticism of their rhethoric and are not terms an actual feminist would use to describe themselves.

>>9654903
Eek, that's awful. This is yet another example of why interviewing people who don't have friends in the comm already before they're allowed to join or come to meet ups is a good idea. It may seem elitist, but it keeps the comm safe, encourages a better standard of interaction between members, and joining feels more rewarding.

>>9654903
Jesus. My condolences, anon. I wanted to give the young ones the benefit of the doubt, but that's probably too optimistic.

>wanting to have girly sleepovers with the underage members.

And when you say you'll call the police on them they go online to doxx you and scream transmisogyny waaaaaah!

>>9654929
Science and actual research is more and more leaning towards transsexualism and transgenderism as a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is not that different from body dysphoria, people who take out their eyes because they feel they have a blind identity aren't that different from people who want to cut their balls off. And no matter how much therapy and surgery someone gets, we're probably hundred years away from being able to change XY genes into XX. It's just not possible to become a "real" woman.

I know trans people (a couple of MtFs) who aren't creeps, but based on all the stories I hear of creepers, and the worrying trends of starting to push little kids into that direction just because they played with a toy not marketed at their gender, really disturbs me in ways that go far beyond our frilly hobby.

And I hate cis female predators too. If I could I'd ban everyone with boundary issues, regardless of what they have in their pants.

>>9654080
This is a stupid response. The person pictured wasn't born a woman. Most women aren't going to look like this with age. Also, who cares? Baddiwink will be my old lady role model. Just because I have to age some time doesn't mean I have to stop having fun. Why do you care so much if someone else ages in the fashion? Why are there so many idiots?

Lady Victorian Rose Jewelry~A wish on the rose petals~
>>9654942

>>9654929
>>9654935
I agree that we should do more rigorous interviews and background checks. The main problem is that people (incl. mods) in my community care very much about appearing accepting and inclusive and are terrified of being labelled transphobes so while they are generally quick to sus out creepy cis men and women, as soon as one of those creepy men declares himself trans he becomes invulnerable. A brolita who is ita and socially awkward gets criticism, while a self-identified transwoman who looks and acts worse gets coddled. No HRT, SRS or even talk therapy necessary, just use the magic word and suddenly nobody can criticize you or else they're an evil TERF transphobe. Unsurprisingly this attracts cluster B type men who want to push women around like flies to shit.

>>9654937
I agree with all of this, too. I feel really bad for people with real gender dysphoria because it sounds like a hellish thing to deal with, and the fact that the social movement that was supposed to be for their benefit is being co-opted by people who just want to bully others obviously isn't making things easier for them. Identifying children as trans because they don't conform to gender roles scares me too, not least because the "treatment" for this perfectly normal behavior leads to permanent sterilization and will likely mess up their sense of self for life. And whenever someone who went through transition regrets it, they are silenced and declared to never have been *truly* trans in the first place. But I thought that any little boy who likes glitter means the kid is 100% certainly trans? It's cult logic.

Sorry about all the OT, anons. I'll shut up now.

>>9654923
It's pointless anon, it's obvious they want to samefag it up to make themselves feel less of an idiot.

Available at the end of October - mid November
>>9654943

>>9654937
I guess we can agree to disagree on the nature of transgenderism. I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me, and that's OK. But I still think you can and should ban any people with boundary issues, especially if their fetishes come into it and there are kids around! Lolita communities aren't public commodities, they're private gatherings for people with a shared interest. Your meetup, your rules. If someone is overstepping boundaries, why not kick them out?

Comes in 4 colorways
>>9654946

>>9654946
>>9654949
This has too much of a Meta clipart feel to it for my taste.

>>9654944
Eww, those double standards. I think I see why it upsets you so much now, that's really shitty. I mean, trans inclusivity should be treating people the same no matter what gender they are, meaning that if they're gross, they should be banned. Coddling people isn't treating them the same. I'm sorry your comm is so full of this double standard. Hopefully you'll someday have better mods who won't be so weak about it.

>>9654949
>>9654946
>>9654943
>>9654942
Something about the design and colour of this is really unpleasant to me, and I actually love Meta's clip art aesthetic so I don't think >>9654952 is my problem. Like, it looks great on the models, but I feel like this is hideous irl.

>>9654943
I'm tall so I have to get this

>>9654943
I know we're bringing old school back, but do we have to bring back the maxi pad headdresses too?

>>9654767
Found the racist. Look, I'm pale af. But there are plenty of black girls who look just as good or better than me in Lolita. So please kindly piss off and spew that bs somewhere else.

>>9654763
Non passing trans people are always going to have a hard time being accepted in lolita because there's already the issue with people thinking lolita is fetishy, a "dude in a dress" does not help that image at all. Unfortunately that person in the picture does not pass so there's some aversion. It's sad but true. A fat ugly girl in lolita while probably obnoxious in her own right isn't going to set of fetish alarms to normies like someone who clearly is/was a man.

>>9654957
But it's absolutely lovely irl, I can feel it

>>9654961
Fuck you. Maxi pad headdresses are great.

>>9654961
YES

>>9654673
I have both the AatP and Baby lace up socks. The AatP ones have a slightly different design and don't stretch as much as the Baby kind

>>9654932
Shame its a troll, I would love a woman only comm without sjws

>>9654764
>not being familiar with a race = racism
ah yes that makes sense

Hey does anyone know why the Halloween treats op and jsk were more expensive than other equivalent ones? 34,344 yen vs 27,864 or 30,024. I'm not new to lolita but I dont buy straight from ap very often.

>>9655033
Probably because they wanted to get some extra money from all the halloween-thristy gals.

I can't think of any other reason. Sometimes they just make things more expensive I guess. I've bought from AP a couple of times and I can't see a pattern aside from "this might sell well so let's make them pay."

>>9655033
Could be a ton of reasons from fabric costs, cost of the design and pattern, wanting to get more money from us, inflation, etc. It isn’t like AP tells you why they do this.

>>9654961
Baby has never stopped having them....

>>9654464
If you live in the US, malco modes is having a sale (price varies depending on color, however), so you may as well pick up one of their higher quality pettis for about the same price as the VGD ones.

Okay so, I haven't used Lolibrary in months since they were making a new website. I just tried today and I was wondering. Can you REALLY only search by 1 criteria at a time?? I click on one at the left, and when I try to use the search function within that criteria, it won't load. Is there actually no way to search with multiple criteria like the old site?

I'd argue that was the most useful/important feature of lolibrary in the first place. Am I missing something here?

>>9655067
You can just type everything into the search bar.
Like "angelic pretty blouse long sleeves 2012" should work.

>>9655073
Okay so it's just not loading for ME! OMG thank you.

>>9655077
It doesn't work for me either

>>9655077
>>9655078
works fine for me though

>>9654763
There's plenty of trans people, passing or not, in the community who are great and treated nicely. This particular one is a giant selfish asshole who dicks over everyone. She's rude to staff, she's rude to designers and brand guests, and rude to her own friends but talks as if she's some kind grandmother of lolita.

>>9655012
Saaame

>>9654947
I agree with you anon. I could debate y'all until the world ends but this is not the platform to do so. Without even discussing what genitals people have/had, if they're creepy fucks kick them out. Mental illness can affect anyone so doing interviews or looking people up can help with entry control. Unfortunately, I've known a good deal of even ciswomen that would pass an interview but 6 months down the line turn out to be raving lunatic. Lolita attracts a LOT of strange fucking people and that's unfortunately what alt fashion is like gulls, sorry.

In the end, just have good rules in your comm, have people that enforce them properly, and force all members to read them and agree. Like a contract. If someone violates something, kick them out with documented reason and you should be good. If a someone is making the minors feel uncomfortable, that's what you put down. They can scream transmysogony all day but a pedo is a pedo.

OT but I'm still kinda floored at how poorly a lot of comms are managed. Though most comms I guess are managed by younger people then me with my admin experience.

>>9654937
Please don't "call the cops" in those situations. Schedule an interview with a detective and don't tell anyone else what you're doing.

>>9654944
Let them get sterilized and have them be the weak ones that die out.

>>9655185
Nayrt but why not? What's the difference?

>>9655186
It's not the children who are at fault though, it's the parents and doctors. If an adult wants to go on hormones and cut their bits off I don't care but people are lobbying to have this done to children as young as six years old.

>all those trannyhuggers
god, this place really became a hugbox.
Trans people make me uncomfortable and I don't wanna be near one (especially transwomen,i don't mind the transguys so much especially since i don't hang out with guys and am lesbian).
Men are trying to get into every single thing meant for women. Fuck that shit.
>inb4 b-but mana
He was a crossdresser,it's different. I'm alright with crossdressers because they're not delusional like trans people for the most part. (but that goes without saying,most of them are as ugly as transwomen). Trans people are mentally ill but telling them so is not "politically correct" and we have to pat them on the head and assure them it's totally fine if they chop their dick off and they'll totes be real women if they do so. Just get help and gtfo lolita already.

>>9655082
Ah ok I tried reverse imaging searching to see if I could find peoples experiences but no luck.

I'm trans but don't understand why you would be a fetishist about it. Like even if it was your fetish you would think they would try to make it not obvious. Like if you are trans there is a good chance people will think you look creepy why would you make that worse by acting like a creep. Socially awkward I get. Weebs tend to be that way anyway and then add in constantly wondering if you're ugly and if everyone hates you and it makes sense but why be a creep too. In other words stop making us look worse assholes.

This thread was such a mistake

>>9655204
You seem to be just as deluded, sweetheart. Good thing I don't have to exprience you on the daily. Honestly sage

>>9655212
You and this thread have a lot in common then, huh?

>>9655220
ow the edge

Anyone hear back from the Street Fashion Europe applications?

>>9655221
Please stop this misuse of the word edge.

A bad joke =/= edgy.

If I added in "kys your mom should have aborted you" then it would be edgy

>>9655211
>>9655211
She's got a thread on lolcow, name that starts with A, here's some snippets.

> Yelled at MUA/staff
> Reason a lot of conventions don't like/do lolita programming because she'll put herself in charge of lolita programming and run it into the ground
> FRILL
> Com can't have a nice tea party because if anyone else hosst a tea party she whines and takes it as a personal offence
> she tried to get people outside of our com to vote for her for com mod, and tried to harass the person running the vote into making her a mod
> She butts into conversations to brag about how she's going to Disney World/London/etc

There are so many more stories, but most of the people she's wronged don't like to talk about/be talked about publicly, which is why it isn't as well known.

A couple of my personal stories:

> A was rude and mean to a friend of mine simply because my friend wore guro. At the time, this was the first other trans person my friend had met (and A knew this) so it was particularly spiteful -.-
> I've been active in the com for 7+ years and A has only *just* started acknowledging me because I've become more popular recently.

>>9655211
>I'm trans but don't understand why you would be a fetishist about it.
Because they prioritize their fetish over the rest of the trans community

>>9655200
I think with kids all they do are puberty blockers from when puberty starts until they're like 16-18. If they change their mind they catch up naturally.

>>9655233
A acts like she's in charge of meets and takes over if it's a chill thing that doesn't need much leading. Just generally causes problems and I think a lot of people, at least used to, give her too many chances to not seem transphobic. Biggest lolita asshole I've met.

>>9655245
quillette.com/2017/10/06/misunderstanding-new-kind-gender-dysphoria/

>>9655222
glad somebody asked.
I sent them a message on the 26th and still haven't heard back. I do think they might want to sort out everything based on qualifications / prior experience and countries, but it'd be nice to get a "we got your mail"-kind of message.

>>9655211
>>9655236
For these people, being "trans" IS the fetish. There would be no point to it without the fetish aspect. They get off on invading women's spaces (not just lolita but support groups, shelters, etc.) and having biological women validate their female-ness as they perform the image of what they think women are. Without the performance, the asspatting ("so brave! so fierce! queen!") and the controversy, they would lose interest very quickly. These people are narcissists. They don't care that they're making people who are legitimately struggling with gender look worse, they only care about their own ego and narcissistic supply. Once the local lolita community finally boots them out they'll move onto a different group of young women.

Generally is it ok for me to check the item as gift? I know european buyers prefer it but does it really matter as long as im not a business/shop but just someone who sells an item on lacemarket once a year or so?

>>9655261
Yeah I'd even like so much as a "We'll get back to you before x" or even a "Thanks for getting in touch".
I feel like SFE is a bit of a clique with old LJ girls but I really want to shake that salt out and make myself realise (hopefully) that it isn't the case.

>>9655211
Because they "aren't really trans" they're fetishists using a cover that makes it extremely easy to silence everyone by name calling. Lots aren't on hormones, but tons of fetishists love them. Spend two seconds on fetlife and you'll see literally 1,000s exactly like that. They're attracted to lolita specifically because of the "humiliation" factor and similarity to sissy fetish dresses. Search "Melissa gun" on warosu if you want an example of a really messed up situation. Blatant sissy groups and erp with name attached and he was still in the comm because "transphobia."

There's nothing to get other than they get off on it and get off on forcing other people into it more. Or at the very least don't care if other people are uncomfortable as long as they can jack off to it later. DDLG fetishist are often a bit similar, but unlike Melissa for example have never been violent and even if they were they aren't 5+ inches taller, 50+ pounds heavier, 2x stronger, and aren't raised/"born with" with the same attitude and temperament as men are. Even if they're on hormones if they're adult men (and they are 98%) that changes absolutely nothing in that sense unless they've been on it for at least 20+ in order to lose at least some of their natural advantages.

>>9655269
European buyers prefer it because it means they might sail under customs' radar and have to pay no/fewer fees, but for your own sake I recommend looking into the rules regarding gifts and insurance. IIRC if the package is lost or damaged, either the receiver or sender is SOL.

>>9655275
>those user images
I regret looking

>>9655275
OP's profile. Note that searching lolita is blocked because of people hosting illegal content, but lolita groups exist. You have to get it through people's profiles.

>>9655227
edgy

>>9655262
all of this.

You all need to shut the fuck up about transsexuals. If you have an ugly transsexual in your comm post it in the comm thread or something? I don't care

>>9655281
Sorry about the gap. My internet is really spotty right now apparently. But it's not just the sissies that use it for fetish fuel. It's not even just brandless itas either unfortunately.

>>9655290
Been wanting to share these for a while.

>>9655281
Is that A? Or someone else?

>>9655291
The irl version of feels thread bait.

>>9655293
Much needed eyebleach.

>>9655292
If you're asking about someone in a lolita comm I have no clue. The usernames are generic, I'm just being careful mods in case ban happy.

>>9655275
My comm has had two problem people similar to Melissa. The first got compared to him a lot because they look alike and were around the same time, but the second had more in common with the threats of violence. She literally threatened to stab multiple lolitas to death with knives because they looked at her the wrong way at a meet once and online stalked and harassed other members for months because of a misunderstanding. She accused many of us of really disgusting sexual things (including pedophilia) probably because she's super fixated on sex herself. She is super unhinged and scared a lot of us badly enough that we still look out for her at public meets like at cons and warn newbies about her. I say "her" because this person is apparently "legit" trans and not just a man in a dress claiming trans for convenience. But still I think she fits into this discussion because she was clearly using our group to validate her identity, had weird sexual fixations, became threatening as soon as she thought not everyone was kissing her ass, and when finally rejected went on a textbook narcissistic rage here on /cgl/.
Mentally ill biological women exist too, but at least they're not 2 meters tall and have the strength of a man like this person. I'm SO glad she's gone.

>>9655295
Another actually fairly cute coord from a different user.

>>9655295
Another actually fairly cute coord from a different user. I could spam more but it's either too nsfw for cgl, nitpick tier, or 2007 Milanno style itas.

>>9655295
Third time's the charm I guess. Another actually fairly cute coord from a different user. I could spam more but it's either too nsfw for cgl, nitpick tier, or 2007 Milanno style itas.

>>9655300
Noooo not that print! I love that print!

>>9654763
Its more of a matter of passing, weather you fetishize it or if your tumblr trans and look like your doing it because "its cool".

If your passing there isnt really a problem. If you dont pass it gets into is this person a sissy/ doing it because it gets them off? We've had a few brolitas join our comm who wouldnt coord well, wear frilly bras and show the straps/edges of the bra as much as they can in a "coord" and basically post fetish posts online/on their facebooks which makes it harder for newer brolitas. We do have a few old time brolitas who come out once or twice a year to things who dont get shit.
If you're tumblr trans and someone who mentions it often in conversation and are generally a SJW who claims to be non binary but basically seems to look, act and dress as one gender that really just is annoying and we probably dislike you more than poorly passing trans female who does questionable things that border on fetishizing.

>>9655245
>all they do are puberty blockers
Puberty blockers are horrible drugs with lifelong consequences. It's not just an "lol wait til they figure themselves out!" pill.
The trans kids thing is a disgusting and disturbing trend that will be looked at by future generations the same way as satanic panic, maybe worse.

Wow it’s so nice to see the lolita general discussing topics relevant to the fashion and not being entirely derailed by painfully obvious bait.

>>9654966
>being so much of a sjw that you fall for this obvious of bait

Anon, pls

>this thread

I just got home and saw this thread. Congrats gulls.

If you want to bitch about gender politics, post that shit on the right board. This was supposed to be about ageism anyway so either stick to the topic or gtfo.

>>9655474
It's more about gender politics and lolita. So maybe it's board relevant just not this thread. I doubt any other boards wants to talk about trannys in lolita.

>>9655482
True I guess? But I also don't want to talk about trannys in lolita to begin with. If people can be balanced and polite individuals that follow the fashion's rules and their comms rules, what business is it of mine what organs they have sex with?

>>9654763
Trans people usually get disliked by prominent members in the community.

>>9655496
>If people can be balanced and polite individuals that follow the fashion's rules and their comms rules
You didn't read the discussion at all, did you

>>9655340 for people who want to talk about lolita clothes

>>9655503
Oh i did and I believe a fair amount of it is gull bullshit but we did already agreed that everyone regardless can be a disjointed fetishist danger to the community. I just don't see why I should give two shits about who might potentially have a dick if they aren't walking abominations that need to be put down.

>>9655471
Between this and the last few where there've been shouting matches about weight, taobao vs. brand and even shittier bait, I'm not sure what generals are supposed to cover anymore.

>>9655204
wow you need serious help

>>9655204
This desu

>>9655562
what are you talking about, it's always shit here

Woah just found this video, they talk about the spreadsheet that basically runs the postal industry worldwide. So with this spreadsheet you can calculate the exact price it will cost you to ship internationally.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHhkNwE7pr8

>>9655709
... or just use a shipping calculator..?

>>9654903
>constantly talking about how silky lingerie made them feel more like a woman, how they totally have a menstrual cycle too, and wanting to have girly sleepovers with the underage members

I know it's hard to put yourself in those shoes, but I read all of these things in a different light and it makes sense. transitioning is a huge deal and being in a hyperfeminine club like a lolita comm is probably so exciting that people can't help but basically sperg and be one of the girls.

I'm a cis lonelita and I know I'd throw my spaghetti all over at my first meet. that's likely the same excitement and happiness to be among peers that some transwomen experience. self awareness goes out the window and probably the only way to enjoy life is to actually pass, move away from home, only out yourself to people you trust, and live as a woman. that's an insane amount of work tho.
>I wish I could instantly make this world a more loving place but I physically can't

Is this actually a thing that happened, or is she bullshitting? I wanted to read about it because it sounds hilarious, but nothing is coming up.

>>9655778
>all this sensationalist drama is true, just go look it up!!
Sounds like serious bulkshit to me or at least something is being taken out of context (and if she’s talking about AP not wanting to cater to fatties that’s empirically not true as their dresses have become increasingly plus size/western sizing friendly)

>>9655778
Don't buy it, that girl is nuts and consistently full of shit.

>>9655754
It gets crazy though when you have someone like described, and then also there's men in comm who wear lolita who get offended when lolita is referred to as being feminine.

>>9654942
Ahhhh I hate ivory all over, but this is so pretty. On the otherhand, it probably only looks pretty OTT like this

>>9654961
I hated them too, but they do look hella cute when you wear them

>>9655790
>>9655782
Ahh that's disappointing, I was looking forward to reading some fatty chan butthurt.

>>9655817
If you’re looking for fattychan butthurt just search ‘plus size lolita’ on YouTube

>>9655778
I think they had factory issues for a while which was why their stuff ran smaller a year and a half ish ago. That's just what I heard, from a reasonable source.

>>9655817
Or not having to swim in their OPs, like Daydream Bed

>>9655754
They're not " one of the girls". They're men, and putting on a dress or inverting their penis doesn't change that. If brolitas can function at lolita meets without overstepping boundaries then MtF's should, too.

>>9655793
>offended when lolita is referred to as being feminine
That's hilariously delusional more than anything.

>>9654946
This looks like those anime character/famous person collages that people would make on tumblr. You know the ones with edited flowercrowns and candy hearts saying stupid stuff like "piss off" or "dead inside" on them.

>>9655894
Someone in my community asked people to stop referring to everyone as "ladies."
It's like a more entitled version of GOTIS.

>>9655894
The thing is that supposedly gender does not exist or does not follow earth logic (penis is feminine but frilly dresses are not) except when it comes to their identity/feelings, where it's immutable and any questions are akin to literally murdering trans people with word violence. You constantly have to adapt and be on your toes or else you're literally hitler. It really fucks up the social dynamic at meetups.

How many lolitas do you estimate there are in your country? I'm in the US and I've been lurking /cgl/ and CoF for several months, but I don't really have a good mental picture of just how many lolitas are actually out there nationwide. 10k? 15k?

>>9655913
So in order to be "considerate" you have to pretend that an obviously hyper feminine fashion is actually gender neutral otherwise you get publicly crucified? What the hell? My comm has a history with some bullshit gender-related wank but nothing this extreme (mostly because the mods stopped it from escalating)

>>9655916
Most lolitas I know don't post to cgl and CoF

>>9655926
Yup. This kind of logic is even more common with FtM transtrenders/fakeboys, who want to dress exactly like they used to dress and act exactly like they used to act yet also be special by insisting everyone uses male pronouns and calls them by a male name. They claim that boys can wear makeup and dresses and have long hair (which I do agree with to a certain degree) and so the fact that they're biologically female and present in an extremely feminine way doesn't mean they're not totally real boys in the inside!!!!! In fact, them being totally legit boys means that whatever they like is actually a boy thing, not just a girl thing! And the reason they feel like they're actually boys? They like some stereotypically male things like soccer and climbing trees. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
I've never heard a fakeboy openly talk about their genitals, though. That's more of a MtF thing. Also neither group will even try to impose this kind of thinking on cis men, only on women.

My comm has had its fair share of fakeboys and while they could be annoying, they were never threatening in any way. At worst they'd make a whiny FB vaguepost or two. People just kind of rolled their eyes and waited ~6 months to a year for them to get over it, which they all did. It's only the MtFs who get scary when not everyone is validating their identity at all times.

is there any way to buy from vierge vampur anymore? They have a website but no webshop.

>>9655916
I don’t think there is an easy way to know. A ton of people who wear the fashion don’t post publicly on cof, and while rc has a lot of activity it isn’t an indicator of who wears Lolita.

My comm has about 500 people in it but when I would say only 150 of those are active, so even comm numbers aren’t accurate

>>9654226
I fappped to this.
Thanks.

>>9655939
I don't believe people like that exist irl

>>9654937
Definition of a mental illness
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mental%20illness

Definitely fits trans to a T. I dunno why people are so bent out of shape about accepting that. People with depression accept they have a mental illness, why do we need to walk on eggshells when calling it what it is?

That being said, when it ISN'T considered and illness it opens up the door for "teehee I am trans because I prefer to be a girl." Like shuttle fuck up, you don't choose to be trans you piece of shit. It's the new "hip" and cool thing to do so everyone just loves being this fucking parody of the opposite sex. Being trans means you literally have the brain patterns of the opposite sex, not "I really like pink and attention from boys so I must be a girl! :)"

It aggravates me because they make actual trans people look like a fucking joke. Don't even get me started on personal pronoun and multigender shit. Fuck all that noise. What ever happened to not giving a shit about your label and just being yourself? Why are we, as a society, encouraging younger generations to define their selves with a fucking textbook of made up words? "Gee, I like transformers and MLP and stick my finger in my butt on the weekends. Guess that makes me Xenosax! Please refer to me with the pronouns GLURBICH and smeglord. If you don't then you're bigoted!"

Someone in my fucking comm is like this and nobody bats an eye. She is a sweet lolita who is "transmale." No, I didn't type that wrong - she is biologically female and claims to mentally be male but dresses OTT sweet and acts exactly like a girl. But there's a reason for that! She says she's a gender that is girly male in social outings. She wants us to use Xe when referring to her, or some bullshit like that. I just flat out don't use any pronoun at all when she's near.

>>9656053
I agree with you, but
>literally have the brain patterns of the opposite sex
Brains are not sexed. It is impossible to determine someone's sex or gender by putting them in an MRI machine, doing an EEG or anything of the sort. There is no such thing as "brain patterns of the opposite sex". The few studies that do claim to measure sex differences in brain scans are all fundamentally flawed, based on laughably small sample sizes and drawing conclusions that do not actually logically follow from the data they present. The concept of brain sex is just old-fashioned sexism. Women can't do math or be logical because they have ladybrains, men can't express their emotions because they have male brains, etc. It's bullshit pseudoscience.

Sorry for going OT, but this thread is pretty far gone anyway.

>>9656080
Thanks for the info, anon. I'll do more of my own personal research on this. I admittedly skimmed research regarding sexed brains possibly from bias of wanting to at least find some acceptance for trans people, but I really don't even know where to stand if it turns out that even brains don't have sex differences and the trans thing is really just full on gender dysphoria.

>>9655993
looking at their website and twitter it seems like they only open up their webshop from time to time maybe? It looks like they've been in fashion events lately, so I guess they wouldn't have any time to deal with a webshop right now in the first place.

>>9656037
I wish I lived in your world

I've personally identified as agender for maybe a decade now. I've never really felt largely drawn to anything when I think about being physically a male or female. Like I know I'm not interested in being a man but having a female body hasn't been enjoyable either. Not enough to look into surgery but just not overall enjoying the whole physical experience of it.

I grew up doing makeup and sports and wore whatever I wanted. Never was really a big deal; no one ever really cared. Never really understood the gender divide on toys; never really understood the gender divide on clothes. You get the picture.

The thing is, I'm not deluded enough to expect people to use any of these weird ass pronouns I keep seeing. No one's going to take you seriously if you start ranting about how someone didnt use xie or whatever psychotic shit tumblr's coming up with. I don't publically telegraph my identify because it's no one's business. And sure, some people just don't pass and will probably be misgendered. That's life. It's not hard to simply say "It's actually ---" and move on. It's also easy to leave you personal hangups at the door and be a sensible person at a public gathering.

Honestly though, what kind of trans people are your comms attracting like holy shit. No one I know is this fucking mental. Sure, a lot of the newly out crowd acts really awkward socially for awhile but god...this is just terrible.

Though honestly and unfortunately, a hyper feminine thing like lolita would definitely be an unhinged predator magnet. It either looks like a great place to find weak submissive women or a great place to be a weak submissive woman.

AATP's Elizabeth Bride of Death re-releases are being auctioned under $300.

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>>9656225
Tl;dr

Take your blog post elsewhere

>>9656225
This is such a special snowflake post. Most women don't think ''wow I really appreciate my femaleness. I wouldn't feel happy if I was born without boobs and this ovary stuff just clicks with me.''

>>9656225
Ironically, I started identifying as agender and wearing lolita at about the same time, three years ago. I like how it hides my body.
Personally, I don't make a big deal about it, but I try to use single-stall bathrooms when in public.I'm not considering surgery, but I occasionally bind my chest.
I've never identified with either gender or been comfortable with my physical sex characteristics, and I probably never will be.

>>9656239
okay, you think that, but nayrt and I literally feel those exact things.
it's like the opposite of dysphoria--I really like being feminine and it fits with me. I'm glad my body, for the most part, corroborates with how I feel. I love my shape and can't wait to be a mom, yadda-yadda etc.

But, I have no knowledge of my actual chromosomes. I assume I'm XX but who actually knows if they're XY with androgen malfunctions and stuff without genetic testing.
I think we'd all be surprised by the number of people who develop and present in ways that don't match up with our coding.

on another note, I'm getting really weary of these women-only safe space mindsets a lot of gulls have. I'd love to be in a comm with anyone who is a practicing, well-dressed lolita, who can at least pretend to be courteous and considerate of others.
I really don't care for anything that perpetuates an idea that I'm weaker, in constant danger, and need to be isolated.
Buck the fuck up y'all and learn how to speak out to actual boundary crossers without barring good people based on your paranoid biases

>>9656239
This. Gender is just a fancy word for personality it seems
>>9656037
Sadly they do. A couple in my comm have argued that penises can be female, and it's transphobic to not want to sleep with someone pre op. It's called the cotton ceiling and it's MtFs complaining when straight guys or lesbians don't want them, and to a lesser extent FtMs.
>>9656080
It's so fucking weird to me that the left used to be about the genders being equal and got up in arms whenever the idea of male and female brains came up, because it's usually garbage sexist research. Now it's accepted as fact and gender is the most important thing ever, guy brains and ladybrains are extremely different is a fact, if you like science and football you have a guy brain and you are a guy and it's completely acceptable to draw conclusions like that. It's insane.

>>9656247
>But, I have no knowledge of my actual chromosomes. I assume I'm XX but who actually knows if they're XY with androgen malfunctions and stuff without genetic testing.

I can tell you have at least one extra if that helps.

>>9656238
Oh no too bad. You are cordially invited to eat my ass.

>>9656239
Great observation but I'm not sure what you're trying to make a counter point on. You're absolutely correct that most women wouldn't ever even consider this. That's because most women are totally and completely fine with themselves and it's not even on their radar. I've ask myself those kinds of questions since puberty.

>>9656241
Oh hey, what a nice surprise in this ocean of piss.

>>9656261
Something like 90% of teenage women don't feel comfortable in their bodies. Most women aren't completely fine with themselves, its why there is such a push for positive body image in the media. And it's probably why so many young teenage girls are ftms or nonbinary now.

>>9656253
You totally missed the point were I said I don't feel comfortable in a female body it seems. That's ok, we all have trouble reading sometimes.

>>9656253
I'm so glad it's not like this in my country. I had a small culture shock when I found out that Kimmy Schmidt episode where she goes to college is real in some places.

>>9656253
I'm so glad it's not like this in my country. I had a small culture shock when I found out that Kimmy Schmidt episode where she goes to college is real in some places.

This thread is a shitshow. Next thread should be about roses in prints or something.

>>9656286
Agreed but unpopular opinion rose prints are lazy and overdone at this point. Please pick something more interesting. Sage this fucker

>>9656286
Like it or not its an actual issue in some comms, just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's not worth discussing.

>>9656290
Maybe you should make a comm thread and discuss your actual lolita comms instead of your made up issues with gender and transsexuals.

>>9656290
>>9656294
We already have a thread for that. >>9646763

Just start talking about A and the Atlanta Comm, ffs.

>>9656053
I have some bad news for you, anon.
>Beginning in 2018, California law will have harsher penalties for health care workers who address a senior transgender patient with the “wrong” pronouns than for people who knowingly infect others with HIV.
>http://archive.fo/oY1Yq

>>9656253
Oh god the fucking cotton ceiling. Hey lesbian lolitas, did you know that if you don't want to fuck transwoman's penises you're a mysogynist and a vagina fetishist? Even though the very definition of fetish inherently excludes genitalia? Dictionaries are transphobic!

>>9656300
Yep that last part is definitely a thing trans people believe, because what I really want in a partner is for them to be grossed out by my genitalia.

>>9656301
It makes zero fucking sense, I agree. But if you don't believe it's a "thing", just look up terms like cotton ceiling and vagina fetishist on twitter and tumblr. These people exist and they're LOUD.
I don't think they're really looking for loving relationships with lesbians btw, I think they get off on having women validate them and bullying the ones that don't.

>>9656309
A lot of radical tumblr blogs are fake though

>>9656310
I know actual people who believe this though. It's not all fake.

>>9656310
Twitter then. Or is Riley J. Dennis just an elaborate troll, too?

>>9656316
Or how about this extremely popular trans webcomic

>>9656322
That's not the same as saying ''I don't want to date someone with a penis''.

>>9656322
>I am a transphobe when I state biological facts

>>9654316
Your real name is attached, if you're going to be catty, be tactful about it and pick your battles. You'll get b& if you start shit that doesn't need to be started. Girls on fb got the herd mentality hard, the folks that might agree with you on something will just lurk when you get ripped apart yourself.

>>9656322
I just realized the strawgirl on the bottom left is referring to trans people who don't want to tell partners they used to be the opposite sex...

>>9654961
they never left and that kind arent even old school.

>>9655012
rip

>>9653965
To the anon that posted screens from FL:
You're a hypocrite and an asshole.
Ty

>>9656322
From a radfem blog about the cotton ceiling

>>9656344
Why don't you reply to her?

>>9654961
Bonnets, especially pure fabric ones are worse.

>>9656322
>Assigned male extremely popular
Most people hate that web comic. Like everything about it is bad, the art, the humor (or lack thereof), and how god damn preachy it is. Assigned male is pretty much a in joke in the community or a straw man used by "anti-sjw" types to say "see look all trannys believe this". I've seen people support the "artist" but that seemed to be mostly because she was getting harassed or something (tho those people are still dumb)

>>9656350
Bonnets are the best

Do any of you own something from Baroque? What are your thoughts?

>>9656354
I see it passed around on FB a lot. But, it's mostly by people who reblog what is popular in social justice without looking too far into it. I hope it's not that popular, it really is shitty.

>>9656350
>>9656356
I love hard bonnets but hate floppy soft ones. Unless you're going for very specific and clearly recognisable historical inspiration they just look like you snatched it off a baby.

>>9656372
I've never seen a baby wear anything like that

>>9656322
>You're tranaphobic if you're not sexually attracted to the same sex pumped on hormones with a fake penis sewn on

wew lad

>>9656376
Wow, so much is getting deleted. I think we've offended a janitor.

>>9656392
Oh shit who knew this board even had those?

>>9656402
Now we know our janitors feel oppressed by the cotton ceiling

>>9656322
Assigned Male is p much garbage tier webcomic. I know three lolitas in my Comm that read this religiously.

New thread >>9656374