/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>9647512
Honestly? It sort of looks like hot garbage. It doesn't capture the enchanted but less strict on the rules charm that old school often does. This just looks like something else entirely.

I agree that the west can get to caught up in the rules but this is just like a really shitty knockoff that misses the point of the original

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>>9647512
These are all otome, or himekaji. They aren't lolita at all.

>>9647518
100% this

>>9647518
I'm just embracing it as the new Alice deco/daily ala mode, which also looked like a mess

>>9647532
The magazine and the people wearing it say differently, I'm sorry it doesn't add up to you. Do you also still think otome kei and kodona are real, current styles?

>Do you also still think otome kei and kodona are real, current styles?

How does that relate to anything I said in my post?

Its okay as a style on its own, but naming it neo Lolita when it doesn't have the same feel or structure as Lolita was a mistake.

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>>9647549
Because you're ignoring what Japanese people say and claim it looks like otome, which is not a thing unless you meant RPG.

>>9647512
Sorta cute but bad name, unless it's aiming for the other kind it's not anymore lolita than half the dresses in hot topic or on taobao. Most of the examples anons post don't seem to be wearing any lolita items at all unlike unlike Daily Ala Mode. Imo even "soft lolita" would've fit better instead. It gives the feeling of "almost lolita" instead of trying to be "new lolita." But it's not like what anyone says on cgl will change that. "No rules" lolita and lolita inspired is whole other thing, but since it's allowed I'll spam the thread with that instead.

>>9647561
I didn't say it looks like otome. There are two different people saying it doesn't live up to its name.

>>9647565
That's an example of Hot Topic style outfits. Not lolita just to be clear.

>>9647566
Then why did you reply to that? I was talking to the anon who thinks it looks like otome and himekaji

>>9647568
Most of these were acceptable casual lolita way back when, but get nitpicked even in casual threads here so I figure this a good enough place for it.

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>>9647575
I know ero is technically accepted by some people, but put it on a white model in a western magazine and even those people wouldn't read most of the really gothic ero as even vaguely lolita.

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>>9647578
The unofficial queen of ero doesn't get much backlash, but again without context she definitely would.

>>9647516
Where to get shoes like this

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>>9647565
As far as I can tell, these are all wearing lolita brands. There might be more that I don't recognise.
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>>9647582
My fault for not being clear enough. As I said "most of the examples anons post" as in all the threads we've had on cgl about it.

Even ignoring that though besides the ops and Jsks in the first two examples all I see is an Innocent World(?) blouse. The last two are most definitely not lolita dresses and 3rd last is very questionable. I don't consider things like socks, shoes, or accessories other than oldschool headdresses to be lolita specific to be clear.

>>9647588

Maybe other gulls in this thread will appreciate this Japanese Lolita. She has a lot of common coords but she pushes the envelope in others.

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>>9647588
Actually before another misunderstanding I mean if you can buy it outside a main lolita brand, specifically lolita taobao brand, or indie lolita brand it's not lolita specific but something that's common in lolita.

>>9647592
This pic is what I meant about context. If you were around you remember the outrage and how many "just because it's in the bible doesn't mean it's lolita" arguments. Unsurprisingly Mana and Japanese lolitas didn't get it anywhere near as much.

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I think this is what neo-lolita is trying to be maybe?

>>9647611
For the ero.

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>>9647615
I still love this t.bh.

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>>9647582
The theme that you should be getting from these pics is literally all but this >>9647603 are wearing at least one main lolita item from an official lolita brand. They're also nearly all from brands themselves or experienced and well known lolitas.

If you can't even tell the difference between larme/general girly j-fashion and lolita you're nowhere near being able to bend the rules and have a decent even vaguely lolita coord. That's the entire reason they exist in the first place. So you figure out what lolita consists of and get a basic understanding of what looks good. "Lolita inspired" is fine, but if you're getting told it isn't lolita at all it most likely isn't instead lolitas being "obsessed" with rules,

>>9647623
One more pic as an apology for that horrible punctuation at the end. I'm not sure what happened there.

>>9647591
Usagiyouhinten’s owner (?) also does the same kind of outfit, very overtop accessorizing.

>>9647573
I don't know about the headdress, but this outfit is really cute

>>9647581
This is not neo Lolita
This is not new

This is gothic!

You can't just pick something that already exists and claim to invent something new called neo Lolita.

Otome and soft Lolita Are old concepts. These neo Lolita people just want to feel like pioneers but they are nothing special

>>9647663
THIS
THIS
THIS

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>>9647668
Whoops, for some reason I meshed >>9647537 and OP together. Regardless posting that coord if it were a less well known white model would get you at least ten replies calling it hot topic ita. It's most definitely not just gothic lolita, it's very controversial ero/fetish lolita. If you're trying to imply I'm calling it neo-lolita read my first post here >>9647565 Between that my apparent stroke on my last post I'm going to stop posting now though.

>Sorta cute but bad name, unless it's aiming for the other kind it's not anymore lolita than half the dresses in hot topic or on taobao.
>"No rules" lolita and lolita inspired is whole other thing, but since it's allowed I'll spam the thread with that instead.

>Neo lolita thread
>posts coords from old GLB
Neo lolita is such a hot mess now, I feel like it's hipsters that want to be even more original, so normal lolita isn't cutting it anymore.
>L-look I'm not like the other girls, I'm totaly different, I wear "neo no rules extra super original nonlita", give me attention!

>>9647682
That was my bad, I'm not calling it neo-lolita at all. I'm exhausted and somehow merged it with a past thread that was everything "rule breaking" using lolita brands.

>No rules" lolita and lolita inspired is whole other thing, but since it's allowed I'll spam the thread with that instead.

>>9647588
>I don't consider things like socks, shoes, or accessories other than oldschool headdresses to be lolita specific to be clear.
That's just your opinion then. Based on the examples posted from Kera, neo lolita uses burando accessories, and is not trying to fit in or be a new version of lolita fashion as we know it. It feels like a style lolitas might wear when they don't want to wear lolita and decided to use their lolita wardrobe for something new or mix it with other streetstyles.

>>9647682
One anon posted relevant images from actual neo lolita spreads, another anon started posting old stuff nobody asked for of lolitas breaking the rules

>>9647687
That just sounds like the common "street fashion" style, the idea was often featured in Alice Deco A La Mode, it's nothing new or inventive, just an old idea with a new label.

>>9647690
Exactly, and what's wrong with that? Nobody is acting like this is the new improved lolita

>>9647693
Nothing wrong with it, I guess some people just find the name misleading.

>>9647699
Neo was just a buzzword because English, just like girly style desu

>>9647687
How is that lolita items if you get anywhere though? Something like a lolita appropiate circle skirt I can see, but what's so lolita about mary janes and bows? Both have existed for decades before lolita in and out of Japan. What difference does a head bow or a pair socks being precious burando? If it wasn't actually burando but the same otherwise generic j-fashion outfit does it suddenly stop being neo-lolita? It just sounds like an incredibly snowflakey way to say you're wearing items from AP or Baby. Is this neololita or not because of bodyline shoes? Where does that fall.

>neo lolita uses burando accessories
What lolita brands are being used here? >>9647516
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>>9647693
>1.new.
>2.a new or revived form of.
Nyart but neo is literally another word for new. That's the same reason people where confused by a "neo-gyaru" that was almost the antithesis of gyaru.

>>9647705
Because they wrongly assumed it was a new version of gyaru. Stop taking the word so literally and stop overthinking this, and your confusion will go away.

>>9647715
>stop taking the word so literally

How the fuck are people supposed to take it? You can't seriously be suggesting people ignore the actual meaning of a word for whatever bs someone wants it to mean.

It's a shitty name for it.

>>9647715
Why use gyaru then? I can get neo-lolita but it's pretty ridiculous to say "don't assume they're using the actual definition of a word or that's it's in anyway related to this fashion we added in the name of." If you want people to post neo-lolita you have to actually tell them what it is, what it consists of, what it isn't, and actually stick to that yourself. If lolita brand items are the entire basis of this style posting more pics without then with is just confusing.

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>>9647719
Because they are Japanese people, not anglos. If you hate neo lolita or don't know what it is, feel free to not post images here. If you are trying to make up a definition for neo lolita to fit into your autistic world view, I can't help you.

>>9647723
Cool it with the buzzwords kiddo. It doesn't make you look tough like you think it does, it just makes you look retarded.

Also wasn't this style pretty much forced by rinrin? Like it's not an actual thing.

>>9647726
What does it say on this pic >>9647512?

>>9647723
Don't worry I understand now.

>>9647728
So you're saying you DONT know that neo Lolita is pretty much just forced garbage? Google Rinrin and neo Lolita.

Don't get pissy with me just because you don't know the history of it.

>>9647733
How does that make it a non-thing? Tbh, I don't care if it's "a thing", I just want to see cute coords and feel inspired about incorporating my lolita stuff into my normie wardrobe now that I have a real job.

>>9647747
Then say that instead of trying to pass it as something else anon.

This is from an official "neo lolita" release, it's not what you're talking about is it? Maybe use the right terminology and you'll get what you want?

>>9647750
I'm not trying to pass it as something else, I posted images I found by searching ネオロリータ after seeing the term in Kera and kerastyle. So that's what it is called. I didn't expect people to get so triggered over the name, I thought other lolitas had also looked at Kera sometimes these past 2 years at least. I know this doesn't always look good but I prefer seeing it over the same old stuff >>9647565 posted

>>9647760
> I thought other lolitas had also looked at Kera sometimes these past 2 years at least.

Wow, you could not be more salty that your thread is shit.

>>9647663
This is exactly how I see when people try to make “neo lolita” happen. Ever heard of gothic? Seen how long the aesthetic of “otome kei” has been around? It’s so special snowflake.

>>9647770
You don't understand anon. It can't be old but it also definitely doesn't mean new despite the neo. Remember you're autistic if you assume the definition of well established words.

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Literally all you have to do is look at the pictures that have ネオロリータ and neo lolita written on it. That's it. That's what neo lolita is. I don't care about making up a definition beyond that.

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>>9647774
Are you dumb? Not everyone posting is OP. >>9647581 is obviously not the same style as >>9647512 and >>9647513.

>>9647789
What's with the backtracking? The old answer was one of the only reasonable things you've said so far.

>>9647794
I just gave up about my own thread and decided to shitpost it to death, gulls don't deserve cute clothes. >>9647774 wins. I'm trying to make this the new better version of lolita. I actually secretly hated normal lolita the whole time and am trying to destory it like I did with gyaru.

>>9647800
>I'm trying to make this the new better version of lolita. I actually secretly hated normal lolita the whole time and am trying to destory it like I did with gyaru.

What the fuck this is some grade A level retardation.

>>9647803
I was reading the old neo lolita threads (which I didn't make btw) and there is really someone out there who thinks gyaru died because of neo gyaru.

>>9647805
Please stop posting, you're a fucking embarrassment

>>9647800
What? Are you having a stroke anon? Are you the one who has posted normal gothic and somewhat ero gothic lolita? It isn't new, you are not a pioneer.
>Destroy it like I did with gyaru
Now you have my interest, you killed an entire style. How did you you achive it, evil overlord of jfashion?

>>9647808
The best thing is I have hardly made any of the text posts, someone else was arguing about what neo lolita is the whole time and I'm just pissy because someone posted so many casual and ita goth coords in a neo lolita thread.

>>9647800
You're incredibly thin skinned. Just say you want things posted from that tag or things extremely similar. It's your own fault for getting so pissy and refusing to answer properly. You've been quoting me to both bitch at then agree with. It's not some dastardly scheme to ruin your life in particular. All of this could have been avoided from the start just by being clear and getting triggered.

>>9647810
They're obviously being sarcastic. Also that was another anon who explicitly stated they're another anon and weren't meaning it to be neo-lolita.

>>9647814
The title of the thread is neo lolita, I posted neo lolita, how is that unclear? someone started posting goth stuff and then people started arguing, I just came back to this shitshow.

>>9647815
Because there's no definition and seemingly random examples. Neo-lolita has been posted about multiple times and very few anons have ever mentioned a magazine or tag as the basis. Just RinRin and the "concept." Literally all you have to do is say looks from __ magazine or from __ tag and no matter how conflicting or unheard of it is people can actually contribute. If you want to people to "educate themselves" you can't act like a tumblr sjw and insult people until they magically give you what you want.

>>9647561
>claim it looks like otome, which is not a thing unless you meant RPG
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2002/05/24/language/japanese-women-staying-in-touch-with-their-inner-virgin/
??

>>9647818
Okay, I'll be more clear. I posted the first image dump and the deleted reply of >>9647794. Then I started to read the thread and decided it has gone to shit. I don't think it can be saved by saying I meant coords from neo lolita tags and photoshoots.

>>9647826
So you're a completely different person than the one that's being arguing and calling everyone autstic? Yeah then my reply doesn't apply anywhere near as much as before. My point is if you were there from the beginning simply stating you didn't mean no rules literally and posting the tag most likely would've resulted in a completely different thread. People aren't going to respond kindly or want to help a thread when the OP did what that other person did.

This reminds me of Abby from NCIS

Thanks for all the cute casual gothic lolita inspo anons!

Any recommendations on brands or particular petticoats that go well with otome?

>>9647580
Found them for you anon.
>http://shop.hades-japan.jp/?pid=100588980

>>9647565
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It literally is her.

>>9647668
Fuck yes THIS!!!

Looks all like casual and gothic Lolita to me

>>9652898
The poster said she's NOT posting neo lolita
Now let this thread die

>>9647608
Anyone know where the skirt is from?