/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Well at least you can complain about Bootleg now @TomoFair

Also that guy from Fake Is Sad held a bootleg controll yesterday.

>>9645877
>mega twister
That's actually sounds really fun

>>9645877
Too bad they won't do anything with bootleg reports. They still haven't rolled up that unlicensed Mario Kart track outside.

>>9646037
hahahaha

>>9645922
If you want some smelly crossplayer his hairy balls in your face, yes.

>>9645922
If only...

>>9645922
Update: it was fun. No sweaty balls were spotted.

>>9645922
I never really got the appeal of Twister. It never gets as complicated as shown on the boxes and in the commercials.
Which is kinda disappointing.

>>9646300
Do more Yoga.

>>9646312
I've done ballet until recent. Still doesn't help the fact everyone always stays in their own spot.

>>9646321
It all depends on how wacky the players are.

I pick the more difficult spots because I know it will get hard and I like the challenge

However I won't do that with strangers that I'm not comfortable clambering over/under

Welp, I keep seeing more and more people banning Tomofair.

>>9646350
What?

.>>9646352
More people I know say that they aren't gonna ga to any Tomofair in the near future. Apparently it was even worser then last year.
They were saying they would expand, while actually, they made it smaller.

>>9646322
Same, I can be quite competitive and flexible but I don't want to have my crotch hanging above sombody their face or something. Plus whenever things do get hard a lot of players drop out at the same time. I always feel sorry for the small girls getting crushed.

>>9646300
>Actually wanting some fat disgusting weebs ass in your face
Onkuys!

>>9646375
If all your Twister experiences involves fat weeb asses, it says more about you than me mate.

>>9646350
Care to explain?

>>9646300
unless you have the "no multiple on one circle" rule

>>9646590
>>9646372
If the players are too boring you can always step it up with messy twister. Guaranteed to end in fun, sex, suffering, or any combination of the three

>mustard
>ketchup
>relish
>blue dyed pudding or mayo
Apply each topping liberally to each corresponding color circle. Get the spinner and get ready for a hot mess

Tomofair was absolutely terrible (like expected). There was barely anything to do and literally everything was overpriced. Of course it was crowded because 99% had free tickets. What surprised me is the fact that dazzle is trying to be the new NoZlan. Also, there's some things on my Facebook feed about that TomoMark pulled some nasty stuff again.

How can Tomofair even afford to give away so many free tickets?

>>9647202
Charging vendors a small fortune.

>>9647202
Tomo opts for dirt cheap locations for their events, bans food and drink from outside and forces people to use their own overpriced catering. But most of the event is paid for by the dealers who have to pay good money to be at Tomo, even more so if they try to cancel their contract.
Also it's not really giving away tickets if you simply double your prices only to give them two tickets instead of one.

>>9645273
>Bitches about bootleg, but torrents movies, tv shows, anime and music or enjoys them on unofficial streaming sites. Enjoy that double standard life my friend.
Yes, I'm a hypocrite. I pirate TV shows on a regular base as it often takes weeks or months for a show to become available legally here in the Netherlands and I don’t like my shows being spoiled. Movies I’ll pirate if I’ve paid to see it in theatres before, am not sure if it’s worth spending money on to begin with and isn’t already picked up by Netflix. Meanwhile I also pay for access to cable TV, Ziggo On Demand, Netflix and Google Play Music. The first is mostly for background noise and mindless consuming, but the latter three I pay for because they offer me convenient access to various media.

Now I’ll ask you, does this act hurt the industry that much? I would say yes, it does hurts the industry. However, once you consider how the fast majority of this content eventually gets licensed (and paid for) by either a cable network or Netflix, both of which I pay to have access to, I would say the damage being done is rather limited.

>>9647213
>>9645273
So let’s compare that with bootlegs, not that’s there’s very little point comparing apples to oranges. Bootlegs are often a direct copy of existing media or merchandise made with the sole intention of being sold for profit. Not only do license holders not see a single dime made from bootleg sales, but said bootlegs also swallow up market share from the official releases. This saturates the market with cheaper tat, making it harder to clear stock and reducing the overall sales of licensed products.

And that brings me to what I find the biggest problem of bootlegs: scumbag dealers trying to pass off bootleg reproductions for official items. With bootlegs becoming better by the day it’s no surprise so many people fall for them, only to find out later on how they have been scammed or never even finding out at all. It’s no wonder why so many dealers at conventions like Tomo, ACC and DCC, as well as actual stores try to pull this shit. For instance, you can easily make €40 just by reselling a €10 Nendroid knock-off from Ali Express for the regular retail price. Hell, you could even outsell other dealers by offering a “competitive price” that’s €10 below everyone else’s and still make a better profit of it than you would selling official Nendroids. This has already become a problem in retro gaming where people are trying to pass off reproduction carts of more valuable titles as original copies. Hell, just search Marktplaats for a GBA SP and you’ll find a bunch of “rare GBA’s” listed, despite them clearly being reshells using a €6 shell from Ali Express.

But sure anon, just because I’m a total hypocrite definitely means my opinion on this matter is moot, and that facilitating the sales of bootleg items is an okay thing to do.

>>9647202
They get their money back from charging vendors ridiculous amounts and their coin system is bullshit and overpriced as well

>>9647211
>Also it's not really giving away tickets if you simply double your prices only to give them two tickets instead of one.

this, the tickets used to cost 2,50 each at the door.

Tomofair was, as expected, terrible, the only fun part about it was meeting friends again and eating overpriced fries and cereal, this is probably the shittest conyear I've experienced up 'till now with Abunai being the only one I've actually enjoyed (seeing as how the con was, not my experience with friends and such).
I've heard a lot of people (mostly long-time convisitors) complain about Tomo and they're right, I personally think Tomo should only be a con for the newcomers and not be marketed as some sort of big con (Being more than 1 day, giving away tickets, acting as if they're one of the first/best in NL etc.)
If people just stop visiting Tomo, even if they have their own tickets, it'll die on eventually, though this might make newcomers switch over to better cons and start ruining them, this whole deal with Tomo and the sudden storm of newcomers is just one big mess and we'll have to endure it for now.

>>9646137
If you didn't spot any sweaty balls, chances are high you WERE the sweaty balls.

>all these people saying Tomo was terrible "as expected'
Then why did you go? Legit question. When I know something will be a waste of time and admission I don't support it, I go hang out with my friends somewhere else without the screaming weebs or overpriced everything.
Please don't mistake this for a defense of Tomo but I'm getting a bit fed up with everyone on my friends list going "we knew it would be shit but we went anyway and omg it was shit!!" as if that doesn't make them sound like dumbasses. Most of them paid for tickets, too.
Y'all remember what Einstein (never actually) said about insanity, right?

>>9647200
Dazzle is better than nozlan atleast, the only good thing i saw about tomofair.
I'm so tired of nozlan cramming out the same bad quality photos every convention all around the year.

>>9647287
It's not a con, its a fair. But I think they should change the location or atleast make it a bit more fitting. A gym hall is really off-putting for the prices they charge.

>>9647294
haha nice one bro :p

So it turns out Tomo actually listened and is now conducting an online survey to see how much people have enjoyed TomoFair Nijmegen. Anyone can submit an entry and by doing so you can win a ticket for a future Tomo event. While they aren't enforcing any means to prevent duplicate replies, I would never ask anyone to actually do so.
Submitting several replies with low ratings and shitty memes would totally be a dick move, just like a few people associated to Tomo did to us during the second /cgl/ survey. Do not do this. This is a very very very mean thing to do. I will appreciate it when you do this.

Anyway to those looking to submit their opinion after visiting TomoFair Nijmegen, and only after visiting TomoFair, their survey can be found here: https://www.tomofair.nl/enquete/

Apparently you can get banned from Tomoevents if TomoMark/TomoBrian thinks you speak negatively about Tomo.

>>9647633
I love you, "Arjen Lubach"!

>>9647644
How sad, to read this all. Let's ban everybody with another opinion than yours. Good job, Tomo Mark.

>>9647644
Nani the fuck?! Hey Mark, I thought we had something special! Where is my ban you fucking inconsiderate asshole? I've been saying Tomo is pure cancer ever since before it became cool! And yet here I am, still welcome at the trash you dare to call an event. You better add me to the Dutch Tomo Blacklist list or we're done mister!
~ Signed, a very angry seagull

>>9647659
So when are you two going to have a hatefuck? I ship it.

>>9647633
As i have never been to a tomo event, and hate it when people fuck up my statistics with that kind of shiy, I will withhold myself.
Also do keep in mind that the moment you add an email adress you are traceable, and some survey software can actually track your IP address.

~SurveyAnon

>>9647711
Luckily this is Google forms and there is no check in place to see if the email address you enter is real.

>>9647711

Do it from a computer you don't use often and fill in an old e-mail address you don't use anymore. Problem solved

>>9638733
>Sincerely someone who's been trying to finish a cosplay commission since February but lost all motivation to finish it

bruh i finally finished this commission i'm free

>>9647725
Got any pics?

>>9647725
Congrats!

>>9647725
Niice, what did you make?

>>9647732
>>9647736
>>9647738
Mwa since the costume is going overseas I cannot stuff the tails, so it looks dumb atm. It's somewhat of an incredibly out-of-hand shiny ninetales onesie.

>>9647714
Still data pollution.
Also if they don't accept feedback people bitch, they try to get feedback people bitch.

>>9647200
>Also, there's some things on my Facebook feed about that TomoMark pulled some nasty stuff again.

Tell me more.

>>9648511
I think anon means this: >>9647644

Atleast dazzle is so much better than nozlan, and also weeks faster
fb /pg/Dazzlephotographyarts/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1940462852892972

>>9647442
>>9648561
I honestly like NoZLan way better ... Nozlan should just stay doing what they're doing. At least they're not fishing and milking for money.

>>9648701
Doesn't nozlan also charge for printed photos? I don't think 5eu is a price you can really milk.

>>9648736
They do, but Nozlan isn't doing it for the money. That's the difference.

>>9648777
I'd rather have good quality photos than some nice guy who isn't doing it for the money, but hands me mediocre photos.

>>9648777
>>9648783
Same lol. And what's the difference, he's one guy getting paid to spend his time there making pictures and nozlan has a couple volunteers or something? I don't even know if he's getting paid to be there or invited desu.
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable job to me. You never had to work for your money? Photography is just as much of a job as selling and making cosplays is.

>>9648783
But then again, a lot of his photos in that album are really overexposed.
Sucking up to your friend on /cgl/, isn't doing him any good.

The problem with Dazzle is that almost all of his photo's have this over the top exposure of colors. I think he just tries to hard to make his photo's really stand out. I also heard that he favours models over one another, but I have yet to confirm this.

>>9648848
I heard this as well.

>>9648838
Except for the fact that cosplay isn't a job. And cosplay photography isn't a job either. It's a hobby, not something someone MUST make money off. It's only a ''job'' when someone is a professional cosplayer/cosplay photographer, of which he obviously isn't.

>>9648866
If you're paid to do something, you're a professional.

I don't now what set-ups conventions use, but it wouldn't be weird to hire an photographer to walk around all day/weekend and snap pictures of the event and cosplayers. Another option is to invite someone and maybe pay a base fee, but allow that person to sell the photes they shot directly to the visitors. There's nothing unusual about that. Atleast, as far as events go.

Anime conventions are a bit of an exception because they expect eveyone to work for free because it's 'fun'. Some conventions can get downright sleazy when they try to arrange workshops/lectures/panels.

>>9648866
Haaa i thought cgl was the last place this argument would be used. Fuck off if you do something for another person(s) you get paid for your efforts. I make enough money from cosplay to live good.
Just because it started out as a hobby or because you have fun doing it doesn't mean you should do shit for free.

>>9648848
I kinda agree, but the tomofair photos seem a lot more reasonably edited. But yes i dislike the rest of the editing he does, it takes away a lot of the contrast and detail in his pictures when i saw a before and after shot.
And he does like to work more with instagram-type slets i think.

>>9649604
The first thing I noticed while looking at his Tomofair album that a lot of the photos have extreem blown highlights. I can't call that reasonably editing.

>>9649544
The problem is visitors DON'T want to pay extra for better quality.
Paying photographs, helpers and organizers is not doable.
And why would a photographer be any more important than the people running the event.
Same goes for events. People want to hold a lecture but demand more than they are worth.
This is why shitty events like Tomocon are getting bigger and evets like Abunai, Animecon, Nishicon are struggling.

People want more more more, but don't want to poney up more money for it.

>>9649618
>animecon
>struggling

Hahaha you must be new.
Not to mention the fact that Nozlan has a paid service too. You don't HAVE to buy the photos. The difference between Dazzle and Nozlan is just different style. That's all. You don't want to pay for printed photos? Cool. If you do? Great, here's your printed photo.

>>9649618
Abunai's way of doing things is basically getting everything as cheaply as possible, then cheering when there's a whole bunch of money left over at the end. Doesn't go unnoticed either. Apparently they even managed to piss off Aniway this year.

>>9649672
oh?

>>9649681
Don't have the details, but:
1. Voorwoord is latest issue is about volunteering in the fan community and occasionally being screwed over by organisations.
2. Writer of that column is Tamara van Staalduinen, who also happens to be a member of that crafts club Tegendraads.
3. Tegendraads didn't give any workshops at Abunai for the first time in like 5 years because of a dispute over unfair contracts and Abunai neglecting their own responsibilities.
4. In the column, she refers to certain contracts as 'legal bondage', so I'm assuming it's a dig at Abunai.

Might just be a petty squable though.

>>9649626
No i actually know the financial state of all 3 of these conventions.
And all of them are struggling.

>>9649746
Nishicon I'm willing to believe, but Abunai and Animecon keep expanding. That's not exactly typical for struggling events.

>>9649811
Yes but if costs go up faster than sales.

>>9649811
This discussion doesn't really matter Anon. It's not like >>9649746 would post any real proof to back his claims so why bother?

>>9649824
If that's the case they're not struggling, they're being dumb by allowing their event to grow at a rate they can't accomodate.

>>9649830
Somethings dont get cheaper. Finances is a reason animecon is leaving the world forum.

>>9649860
That's not what I've heard. The story I got is that it is more of a logistics issue. For instance, the time it takes to set-up and break down Animecon doesn't really mesh the the rest of the World Forum's event schedule. Security is an issue as well. It's a rather sensitive location and there are visitors running around with cosplay weapons that are a tad too realistic. Not to mention World Forum is reaching its limit in terms of visitor numbers and Animecon will need a different location (or at the very least a way to spread out more) that accomodates more visitors. Some of these problems could in theory be solved with money, but that doesn't mean World Forum not being a great fit for Animecon (anymore) is a financial issue.

>>9649824
Money doesn't just come from tickets. It also comes from (depending on the con) vendors, food sales, sponsors etc.

>>9649867
Yeah and the fact that the world forum almost got them bankrupt this year.
Also The koningshof raised the bill with 10% anf the hotel with 30 euro's.

>>9649696
I've seen the contracts. This year a literal lawyer joinef the event staff and decided to make "better" agreements on events. The contracts are extremely safe for Abunai themselves, but as an eventholder you could get a fee for running through the halls basically. No ground to stand on.
We decided to not sign the contract and even offered an alternative that was less frightening to us. However our contact with the staff was extremely bad, often waiting weeks before we got a reply. Needless to say we did not sign. We still held our events, noone from Abunai came back at us for the contract. They also forget to supply the technical stuff we requested. Pretty disappointed in their events staff this year.

>>9649903
Floriaan is stil a student ;)

>>9649867
That is what they are using as an excuse not to admit they screwed up and lost a shitload of money.

>>9649746
you do realise that none of these cons are 'for-profit' organisations, right?

>>9649982
'For profit' does not mean that they don't have to break even.

>>9650213
Yes, it's even smart to make some "profit", so you can invest it in next years event.

>>9650258
Also, when you have a decent amount of liquid assets around you can afford to take a bit more risks (like long-term commitments)

>>9650213
>>9650258
Absolutely, but not making loads of profit doesn't mean struggling either. Looking at the conscene from the past few years, the struggling ones have already been knocked out. Animecon gets bigger every year and I'm not entirely sure what Abunai is doing to be entirely honest. Do they get bigger or do they just...I don't know? Stay the same?

>>9650344
The current location is at its limits, so they can't really grow beyond what they have now. They could rent out more of the small conference rooms for events and such, but it wouldn't really increase the number of visitors the location can hold. Well, perhaps they could hold part of the convention outside, AnimagiC style. Put up an outdoor stage and such. No clue if that's possibility for them, though.

>>9650354
An outdoorstage is indeed a possibilty for them. I mean they have the space for it.

>>9650355
Space, sure, but permits may be a problem. Would be pretty great, though. I loved lounging on the grass and enjoying the concerts at AnimagiC. It had this really laid back music festival vibe.

But AnimagiC had way more artists though, both professional and amateur. Abunai may not have the budget/talent pool for that... Oh, but now that I think about it, something like an outdoor movie screening could be pretty cool too.

>>9650373
At least Abunai seems to be quite lucky in the weather department. So an outdoor stage 'could' improve it slightly. Or another activity.

>>9649696

wait, who hosted the amigurumi workshop on Abunai then, since the schedule did mention the amigurumi workshop.

Also, could this also be the reason why I haven't seen them doing the workshop on Acon?

>>9651033
Abunai handed the amigurumi workshops to a Abunai crew member who had helped Tegendraads before, but those were sort of cancelled at the last moment? There weren't on the final schedules that hung by the doors. Abunai did have patterns and supplies available in that crafts room thingie but no people to actually teach you how to crochet.

Tegendraads still does the Japanese braiding workshop at Animecon, and individual members do other lectures/workshops as well. Just not the amigurumi, they gave up on that after Animecon couldn't get their Event Plaza act together who the fourth time in a row or something. Circumisso (spelling?) does small scale work-in workshops now.

Lucario is done! I got some things i have to adjust but overall very happy with it

>>9651097

Helping out during a workshop and actually hosting a workshop by yourself are two totally different things, no wonder it didn't work out.


whelp, nothing changed then. The event plaza still has trouble keeping their shit together.

>>9651278
I really wanns hug you! It looks so good!

>>9649746
We're good, no worries. Last edition went great but the year before we did indeed struggle, since we had to to fix all the water in the halls and heat-safety stuff like that.
Nothing long term though.

>>9650344
We actually grow but in less visible ways. For example we originally didn't use the entire venue, mostly red only being included for two editions now.
But it's fair, we've been reworking our staff structure so we focused more on making the event run with new methods.

>>9651097
Does not help that Tamara thinks she is oh so important and that any convention not doing things how she wants is bad.
Just read the shit she posts in the anyway forums.
She is on a serious high horse and surfers from bitch syndrome. You should hear how she talks about other groups who do crochet.

>>9649696
>>9651697
Ah, so that is why she uses the magazine to get her point? I find it strange that the magazine allowed it. But I didn't read it, so I can't say much about it.

>>9651698
Its also a problem for older groups in the comm. they think because they have been in the comm longer they deserve more respect.
Especially when a younger group comes that has more popular merch( not the same boring thing the old groups have been been selling for 10+ years) they complain. Bad thing is the older groups are friends with the organizations and so get what they want.

>>9651278
thicc

>>9651697
>You should hear how she talks about other groups who do crochet.
I always hear my MIL talking about how bitchy and two-faced yarn hobbyists can be but I always thought she was joking.

>>9651697
Eh, if what anon said about the contracts is true, having a bitch with connections bitch at Abunai may be a good thing. Might actually change some things for the better and that'd be good for all of us.

I've never actually heard her complain about other crafts group aside from the Mermaid. Which I do kinda understand. That whale is weird...

>>9651698
Isn't she the one who decides what goes in the magazine and what doesn't?

>>9651731
So we should rename the magazine, then? ;)

I thought there was a whole team who decides what goes in the magazine or not, not one person.

>>9651723

> you should hear how she talks about other groups who crochet.

Hello double standard, why are they complaining about other groups and at the same time copying their works?

>>9651742
She's the editor-in-chief and editor-in-chiefs usually have the final say. I assume it's the same for AniWay.

>>9651753
desu I don't know this person at all, so I didn't know that she is the editor in chief. I also don't read the magazine. But if you have a personal matter with a convention (if it was really meant for Abunai!), then it is kind of sad of her to do so in a magazine.

>>9651892
She didn't actually mention Abunai by name. Just that one convention was using a contract that was very unfair to eventholders and volunteers shouldn't put up with that. Most of the article isn't even about that. It's about keeping volunteer work fun for yourself and others. So... I dunno. Within the context of the article that contract is just one example taken from personal experience. And the contract was bad for everyone, so it's not exactly a personal matter.

>>9651923
eventholders are not exactly volunteers they get paid for the event. Either with money, getting costs covered or free dealerroom tables.

>>9652026
Except that's not the norm. Usually it's only a free ticket for the day your event is held on. Unless you're a valued guest or doing half a dozen or more events, it's unlikely you'll get anything more than that. Believe me, I've tried.

>>9652026


Great, where do I sign up?! I'd love me some money or to have my hotel costs, gasoline costs, food costs and parking costs covered.

Because as a volunteer, I'm not getting any of the above.

>>9652069
Are you an eventholder though?

>>9652039
It depends on the event. A one time lecture is different from a whole day event.

Are germans allowed,we live close enough,right?

>>9652112

where/what? allowed out of their country?

>>9652112
würst und käse

>>9652112
Just promise you won't dig any holes, borrow any bicycles or do any plumbing and all will be fine.

>>9652112
If limburgers are allowed, then why not germans too?

Thoughts?

>>9652624
cheapo aliexpress cosplay costume maids incoming.
Isn't the whole idea behind a maid cafe is that a maid serves you and does what you demand and that's why people go there largely? I think cosplay outfits would not suit that roleplay geographic.

>>9652628
Dragon maid, Saber maid, Aqua maid, Tokyo mew mew maid... See, this can work!

>>9652653
>tfw no mass produced Taobao cosplays of Tokyo Mew Mew maid outfits
why live

>>9652624
Tbh, i think this could work out if done right. Its a nice idea as long as they dont hire fuck ups and uglies. im getting tired of the wannabe maids so i like this idea. Hope it works out for them

>>9652624
I'm interested. Sounds okay

>>9652624
One of the co founders is Xiuemi, so I have some hope

>>9652624

Well.. it is new.. i got no fucking idea who are gonna work there, so dont know wjat to think about them.. Will see what people say about it and/or check it out myself when someone will give them a spot.

Lets hope the food and service is better then the maid/butler cafe's. You would think that wouldnt be hard, but every maid cafe is kinda.. meh, same level of.. service i guess.

As long as they act mature, not a plastic plate, food and drinks worth your time and money ( size and price ) and just decent looking people, i am good.

>>9652624
In my opinion there is nothing to be discussed and I see no reason for this to be posted here in the first place. At this stage this entire thing is nothing but an idea, as made overly clear by this post made by Ivy. My advice to all, better save your thoughts for until after they have something to show the world besides a simple Facebook page.

Quite frankly, considering Miki A made this post and her being friends with Ivy, I also wouldn't be too surprised if she simply posted this here hoping to either trigger a discussion, drama, or force it by selfposting. After all, that really wouldn't be the first time someone tries this method to gain some attention...

>>9652746
Miki here. I posted this here to discuss it, because I personally thought it was a pretty interesting concept. I definitely don’t want to cause any drama or anything. Hope that’s cleared up now.

>>9652746

That is true. Seems she had a good intention.. only this would be better on fb than 4chan.

Dont know how this would start drama excluding the basic maid outfit comments...

>>9652624
The concept itself is nothing special, it's just your average maid cafe except for some different outfits and some (likely cringeworthy) in-character acting. Still, I guess it could work and make a nice change from the eternal maid and butler cafes. However normally when one is serious about an idea like this, they would hold off going public until they have done some basic research and actually have something to present:
>What would it take to set this up?
>How does one organise a (non-profit) business like this?
>What are the typical costs and expanses for a (maid) cafe and will I be able to turn this a self-sustainable service?
>How big is the demand for a service like this, who is my competition, where do they currently operate and will I be able to compete with them?
>Do I pay my employees, cover their travel expenses and/or the costs of their costumes?
>What are my employee requirements to begin with? Sex, experience, being to act and do their character justice?
>Are they're enough people who fit my requirements and would agree to my payment plan?
>Do I have the capital to set this plan up and it afloat until it breaks even?

These are just a few basic questions they really should had known the answer to before going public, the tip of the iceberg really. Instead here we have two 'idea people' who launched a FB page stating they have an idea and nothing more, something that's only amplified by the FB post >>9652746 shared.
Now pardon my pessimism, but I really don't feel like this will go anywhere unless someone with the experience to set this up joins them. Even then odds are everything will simply fall apart due to the inflated ego most idea people get after someone else has done all the hard work for them. But hey, maybe they'll prove the hundreds of similar failed projects the Dutch scene has seen wrong. Or at least I hope so...

How was Firstlook? Did anyone even go there?

>>9652950
It sucks but I will meet up with friends today so I will go again today. It wasn't worth the money. The games werent that interesting and they have even less for cosplayers than last year.

>>9652950
Will go with my lucario suit so lets see.. Havent heard very good things at all already

>>9652707
>dont hire fuck ups and uglies.
People applying to work for maid café's are 99% fuckups and uglies so this is going to be a tricky one.

Firstlook is okay for me if u decide to meet up with friends or enjoy some gaming but it is a little on the expensive side just for that. Honestly I have gotten so used to cosplay events that it feels like this is lacking but its a Game convention, more game cosplay motivation would have been appreciated.

>>9653033
That's absolutely true. I hope it works out for them.

>>9653023
Since AnimeCon took WCS back, that's not really surprising.

>>9652950
This is my first time and it's fun to hang out with friends but why does anyone go to this "con"? There's literally nothing to do.

Sadly Firstlook was such a bummer compared to last year. Specially the 'marketplace' corner where there was a motor cross thing (for the one who did a performance, didnt see it). And karaoke (and shitty tomofair promoting everywhere). Gotta say I was sad the CosVille was placed so badly this year... The space it was in, was empty for the most part, almost no visitors walked in there.

Is it safe to say that after bumping head with organizing WCS and dropping it that cosplay isn't a main focus of Firstlook anymore? Anything they do for cosplay now is just 2nd rate effort to try keep minimum cosplayers interest and because modern geek populism have the image of cosplayers om comvemtions. Just going through the motions.
How is motorcross stunting even closer to gaming than cosplay?

>>9653217
Why pay money to stand in line to play a demo for a few minutes? This might've been a thing before broadband internet, steam and beta's. But in these times it's kind of stupid.

>>9653217
Why pay money to stand in line to play a demo for a few minutes? This might've been a thing before broadband internet, steam and beta's. But in these times it's kind of stupid. If most of the event is just companies advertising stuff with nothing much to do, entrance really should be either very cheap or free. Maybe this is what people call paid adverstisements.

>>9653217
Releasing their schedule isn't even a main focus of FirstLook...

>>9653225
Schedule is still on Coming Soon haha. Is that a big FU to paying visitors or what.

>>9653226
Here's another laugh, they did release their schedule in an app but only linked to it in a single FB post. Pretty silly really, although I wouldn't be surprised if they "forgot" to put it on their site considering how few real events are on there.

>>9653233

>>9653238
Poor bakka cosplay.

Is it just me or is PostNL one huge mess right now?

>>9653284
Hasn't it always been a huge mess?

>>9653309
PostNL is as big a mess as the NS; everyone here complains about it while in reality they're one of the best in the world at what they do.

>>9653284
They have fired most of the Post people for packages and diliveries are done by ZZPers payed per dilivery.

>>9653315
Actually completely false. I have no complaints about NS but PostNL is an incredibly shitty company. My package spent days just lying around waiting for someone to bother delivering it, then when it was out for delivery it somehow got marked as "wrong address - return to sender", I call PostNL and they admit it was a complete fuckup on their part, say they'll deliver the next day or the day after. It doesn't come. I call them to ask where the fuck my birthday present (which is at this point over 2 weeks late) is, and they admit they lost the package and will get back to me in 9 working days. Thanks.

>>9653315
I call Bullshit!

>>9653346
>when it was out for delivery it somehow got marked as "wrong address - return to sender", I call PostNL and they admit it was a complete fuckup on their part
This had happened to me several times, and every time it was already back on its way to Japan by the time I called to ask wtf was going on. Each time I had to pay shipping again and PostNL was just like "lol whoops" and refused to reimburse me. Fuck that shit.

>>9653315
I don't think you can compare PostNL with the NS in this case. The NS legimately has good scores. PostNL...not so much, because letters are measured differently to packages. Most people here will most likely complain about 'packages' which is what >>9653325 mentioned. Most of them are done by ZZP-ers so PostNL doesn't have to 'pay' for that. Which leaves the ZZP-ers often also uninsured for some things. Basically, this is cheaper for PostNL and they can fuck over both the customer and the ZZP-er.

Not that the Royal Mail is any better...

>>9653346
Confirmation bias. Just because you' personally had a bad experience doesn't mean my statement is false.

>>9653347
A recent study of the Universal Postal Union puts the Dutch postal service at fourth place worldwide (pic related). The entire report can be read here: http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/integratedIndexForPostalDevelopmentEn.pdf

>>9653357
You think this is the first time something like this has happened to me? I get package all the time and it's about a 50/50 chance something gets fucked up. There's plenty of other people I know who also have issues with PostNL. Saying they're comparable to NS just isn't true.

>>9653357
How the hell can you get a 100% score on this? Don't they have a single fuck up or something?

>>9653359
You might just have a really shitty delivery driver. The quality of the service really depends on the ZZP'er responsible for your area.

>>9653357
>http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/integratedIndexForPostalDevelopmentEn.pdf
These results are for 2016 though, but PostNL recently had a big fuckup. That said, the averages point towards decent service then.

>>9653359
Except I'm not comparing PostNL to the NS? All I'm saying is that Dutch people love to bitch about PostNL just as much as they love to bitch about the NS. It just makes me laugh when I hear someone say about how horrible these and other things are while in reality we have it pretty damn good in this country.

Now I'm not saying you aren't allowed to complain, but honestly you're better off doing so directly at PostNL. I've had issues with some of my mail not arriving, gave PostNL a friendly call (yes stay friendly, you're talking to a human being after all) and everything was fixed within a week or two. That or maybe your delivery guy just hates you for ordering things despite you never being at home. I know I would considering they only get paid per delivered package.

>>9653371
Well, it is pretty difficult to release a yearly report when still 85 days left to go.

>>9653406
Yeah, the averages for 2017 might be a little lower due to the failure/disruption they had earlier in the year, but it shouldn't impact averages too much.

>>9653238
It hurts how accurate this is

>>9653357
Are you postnlMark?

>>9653357
Those statistics don't mean shit if it doesn't represent the majority of the country. How the hell did they measure this?

>>9653365
Normalized results. The country with the best results gets a 100 point score and the worst gets a 0 point score.

>>9653486
>Open the linked PDF
>Check the table of contents
>Methodology: page 11
There you'll have your answer, complete with the sources they used and how one should read the results.

>>9653406
I always call PostNL for complaints and I stay polite because it's not the phone person's fuckup but they have rarely been helpful at all. They usually just say to wait x amount of working days and if the package still isn't there to call again. Only one of the 4 addresses I've lived at over the past few years has had a decent package delivery person, and I miss it.

I get like 4 different package delivery guys and fortunately they're good at doing their job. There's one who's even willing to wait 3 minutes until he moves on to the next house. Maybe I should buy him flowers next time kek

>>9653315
>>9653357
>>9653406

Sorry, but if you want to defend PostNL, you have to come with different statistics.

Because:
1) It's doesn't only calculate PostNL, but every postal service in the Netherlands.
We have a lot of small services (or had thanks to PosNL taking over ZZP'ers).
And we've Dutch branches of DHL and Kiala (not that they are spotless).

2) it calculates everything from simple packages, to roads, to salaries, to big world wide shipping, etc.

Of course is the Port of Rotterdam going to increase our statistics big time, almost whole Europe depends on it. But for simple Dutch people, cargo has no use.

Unlike with the NS, in which it doesn't matter if you buy 1e or 2e class, if your train is late, it's late, their's a huge difference between business and prived.
Like, nice we're standing good overall, but doesn't make prived national shipping from one postal servers suddenly 4th in the world.

>>9653514
Social Media tends to work better than calling them. Especially when it's public, because then the pressure to reply and resolve it is higher.

>>9653887
Well, too late, I haven't seen the package once and it's being sent back to sender because "I refused the package". The call center woman literally hung up on me because it waas already sent back and not their problem anymore, even though I haven't done anything to cause this.

>>9653900
Mine was also sent back to china once because they added the suite nr to the adress nr and it resulted in a bad adress lmao

>>9653902
I called them when I saw the notification that it was being sent back, and they admitted nothing was wrong with the address and that it was their fault. Then said they would make sure to deliver it to me as soon as possible. It's literally their mistake and they're refusing to do anything about it.

>>9653904
Hahhaha sounds about right.
I never had anything else going wrong though, i'm quite content with PostNL

However GLS is the worst package shipping company ever. They nearly destroyed all of the packages they ever sent me.

>>9653900
This happened to me too once, even though the tracking showed that the package never even cleared customs before it was sent back because I "refused" it. The worst part was that the sender didn't believe me when I said the postal service messed up and actually seemed to believe I refused the package at the door, so I had to beg them to send it again and pay for shipping a second time.

>>9652723
You should stop defending your girlfriend. It's getting old.

All these people forgetting that complaining keeps companies on point. If we took every mistake as it was saying "och, we're still on the top tier of service in the world!" we wouldn't be on the top for much longer.

Complaining is the feedback report from customers companies need. If they don't get the feedback when they fuck up they'll never fix it, if they don't have competition the odds are they'll slack off as wel.

So keep on complaining you damn Dutchies. You're keeping the country strong and slightly annoyed.

Having worked for PostNL i can tell you that 98.5% of letters get sent on time,PostNL has to keep above 98% to keep their government subsidies.
With packages they have no min expectations but i k ow it was around 96-97% when i worked there (like 3years ago)
The annoying part is that as sender you have no protection what so ever. That is gor both clients and businesses. I have sent €500+ packages with insurance where the client doesn't get his/her package and all PostNL says is that I have to be able to prove they made the mistake so i can get my money back. Also the insurance is bullshit. Also dutch law holds you responsible for sending a new product to a client so its a double hit.

>>9653947
This is really strange to hear, because I was told that I have no power to start a procedure looking into where the fuck my package is/what happened to it because I am not their client, the sender is their client. They wanted me to ask this American seller to contact the Dutch postal service to file a complaint for a package I didn't get.

>>9653959
difference is that the american sender is not obliged to send you any compensation shit because america (i think)
Chinese will just send you new because 'omg muh 5 stars'

PostNL is pretty bad. The % of letters delivered is still decent. But contact with customers is poor, and how they're treating the delivery people is bad. And the price increase of stamps is crazy. http://www.hetinkoopkantoor.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Prijsstijging-postzegels.png They entered this downwards spiral where increasing prices lead to less mail leads to higher prices. All to keep the shareholders (profit)happy now, without thinking about the future.
Package delivery really depends on where you live. In my street the delivery guy is great. This one day he recognized me on the street and gave me my package (after confirming my address) because I wasn't at home earlier that day.
But other people aren't as lucky. I know people who had packages (with electronics) dumped in the garden in the rain. Since delivery people are underpaid some just dump packages or mail. Recently they found 3m3of mail in the house of an ex employee. (sure that's his fault, but it's also PostNLs fault for getting rid of good people and hiring the cheapest ones).
Compared to shit countries PostNL is great, but why do that? Compare it PTT from before 1998 and it's gone downhill. Jewellers gave up on PostNL years ago..
That said I've had fuckups from Royal Mail and US Mail too. One time they mistook "Netherlands" for "Trinidad and Tobago", I got my package six months later…

NS is horrible. Depending on where you live it's pure hell or it can be decent. The train from Smalltown to Dorpsstraat Het Dorp probably runs on time 100%. And you can even sit. Take a train to Amsterdam between 07:00 and 09:00 and you might fit 50% of the time, and must stand 100% of the time. And pay full price for standing 20 minutes. Want to go from Eindhoven to Haarlem on a weekday or in the weekend? There's a 70-80% chance it will be delayed somewhere (50% chance it's delayed more than 30 minutes so you can get some money back). The ticket inspectors are often ill-mannered abominations. And if you forget to check in you get a large fine instead of just buying the ticket at a higher price like they used to do (and still do in the UK).
I know for a fact (from a lot of experience) that the trains in some other counties are much, much better. For example the UK (though they're expensive), China, Japan. Also the whole OV chipkaart is awfully tourist unfriendly.
Again, the NS is great compared to trains in shit countries but why compare it to that? Compare the price and quality to how they were 20 years ago..

>>9654024
>UK
I beg to differ. I really really miss the NS.

Putting this 'Dutch companies discussion' aside, was there anything fruitful at all at Firstlook? Anyone going to VienCon?

>>9654106
Team chaos was. some cool cosplays, but nothing much. was there sunday.
Got around 6 shirts and some free monster energie

>>9654024
If you think the trains in the UK are better than NS you are high as hell.

>>9654106
There were like, 20 cosplayers total at Firstlook on Sunday (when I went), which meant you got lots of pictures and attention but also there was pretty much nothing to do at all. I'm interested in Viencon but would have to room with someone who has a car because it's pretty much impossible to get to the location by public transport.

Maybe it's just me, but I honestly can't get hyped over Star Wars anymore? I used to be a big big Star Wars fan and loved Darth Vader. But now I'm just like '..cool.' and then I just forget about it. Especially as it's not a particularly interesting plot or anything.

I don't think it's a case of getting 'too old' because the Star Wars fanbase covers all ages. I'm just wondering why I seem to have 'outgrown' it. Anyone else here no longer a fan of something they used to love?

>>9654106
Saturday was a lot more fun than sunday. More visitors and more stuff to do. It was a really small venue though compared to last year

>>9654136
I feel that way about anime. When I was a teen I loved all sorts of anime and it made me so happy to watch it even if the series wasn't particularly good, but now even objectively good anime just make me feel "meh" at best. I don't know what caused this change or how to reverse it.

>>9654106
>Anyone going to Viencon?
Not me, I'm holding out for Gullcon. But I do believe a few gulls on Discord mentioned being interested in a "Gull House" at Viencon. There are no real plans yet however, although I wouldn't be surprised if someone brings it up at the next big meet.

>>9654121
>I'm interested in Viencon but would have to room with someone who has a car because it's pretty much impossible to get to the location by public transport.
Getting there isn't all that difficult as Viencon will arrange shuttle busses from a train station. Hopefully they'll go for Station Deurne as it has an intercity connection although I wouldn't be surprised if it will be station Horst-Sevenum due to the distance. despite that I get you completely. Having been there before I can tell you having at least one car available is a necessity. The on-site shops are limited and expensive and the nearest super market is 8KM away. As much fun as riding a bike with a shitload of beer, meat and coal is it does get quite annoying after a while...

>>9654136
>>9654183
Oversaturation maybe? It's kind of a meme term by now but that could be part of it. Another part is as a child you generally are more excited about everything. This bout of Star Wars movies just has me feeling kinda... meh. Not hating it, but not excited at all.

>>9654190
Oversaturation definitely plays a part in it. But I have to say, being excited for any kind of franchise is hard these days for me.

>>9654106
Some complaint on facebook.

>>9654187
I am thinking of going, sounds like a fun weekend with friends in a chill environment. I'd go for a 2person bungalow though.
Do need to go to school on friday though.. that sucks.

>>9654187
I'm not on discord but I mentioned it before, gull house please.

>>9654249
There wasn't even a schedule. The schedule on the official site is still on 'coming soon'. The cosplay shows were 'cancelled' (literally no information from organisation whatsoever, even for the cosplay 'host'), i'm pretty sure the 'instagram' contest won't be rewarded at all
The cosplay was stuffed together with the tiny anime merch in a corner with motor cross (??). No visitors in that corner at all due to no lights, no sound, nothing to do.
Hall was at the other end of the jaarbeurs, you had to walk all around and if there was a queue for people in the morning, they had to stand outside because the entrance was a back alley for suppliers.

No new games, just old stuff like csgo, overwatch, black desert which you had to stand in line for ages.
All the big loud companies were in the other corner of a really tiny hall compared to other years. One food court from jaarbeurs themselves in the middle. All i've heard was complaints, money hoarding and no events whatsoever due to lack of schedule and no schedule pamflets. There was also no bag check and no age check and i didn't see any actual firstlook staff. Reports of pickpocketing too oh and they sold afternoon tickets for 10eu which wasnt displayed anywhere.

>>9651278
Hi Merel!

>>9654888
Hi random cosplayNL dickhead! Was it necessary to put a full name up here for no purpose whatsoever?

>>9654888
Oh no! Someone is a regular on 4chan! Oh no she must be one of those drama queens! Oh no she MUST be a bad person! Oh no the world is ending!

Stop that crap kek. The actual drama queens shitposting here about drama are not the regulars but some cosplayers with vendetta's or self posting attention whores. The constant drama here is the reason we made a discord.

Lucario-ANON isn't a bad person. You are the nasty one here for shitposting names here.

>>9654981
That's a lot to assume from a 2 letter post kek.

>>9654888
>lemme just dox this girl right quick to show everyone how reasonable I am and how meanie seagulls are the real assholes here

>>9654534
And when they did do a bag check was at the end of the day (on saturday).
Everyone was very confused why they randomly started checking the bags of people leaving and it took ages.

>>9654249
>>9654534
>>9655008
>Not being able to provide the basic shit you promised to stand holders
>Offering no new games to play despite it being one of the main reasons visit your event
>Not communicating with your hosts about their events and why it got cancelled
>Not having a schedule available beforehand nor on-site and only releasing it in an app that was linked to once in a FB post nobody saw
>Checking bags of people leaving as if the con staff came from the Bizarro World where they want to keep drugs and weapons in rather than out.
Sounds to me FirstLook is the Tomo under gaming events. Good thing I didn't go, I don't like wasting feeding money to hungry cash cows.

First Look has been a joke for the past six or seven years. Back in the day when it was still Power Unlimited Gameplay they had some scoops. Now, not so much.

>>9654375
To be fair, I don't think any of us would be willing to share a bungalow with a random person we've never even seen, let alone spoken to before.
Trust is a major issue as we don't know if you're a responsible person or just some careless idiot. The last thing anyone wants is to have their stuff broken, stolen or getting fined for causing damage to the bungalow. Personality wise you could fit in, or be the opposite of us causing frustration to all including yourself.
Finally there's the money. Considering Viencon wants a €100 deposit in advance I'm guessing they want one person to make the reservation and pay the bill. If you don't show and/or don't pay up it will cost the rest of us an additional >€20 to make up for it. Not exactly a good start of the weekend am I right?

Honestly, if you're chill, speak Dutch and are willing to get to know us a bit better, just hop onto Discord. We don't bite, welcome newcomers (we're no elite lolita group) and have several active channels for both on and off-topic talk. We sometimes play games together and have plenty of off-con meets going on. Some are small like the Nijmegen cat cafe + sushi meet last weekend, and some are big like the 2 day BBQ we had this summer over at one of the gulls. Pretty comfy stuff really and the only thing we expect is that you aren't a dick and actually say something as we kick lurkers after X days. The invite link is https://discord.gg/kjQxd4S

Viencon has very unrealistic and strange expectations.

The location is totally un-centralized , massively inconvienient and expensive to boot.

Also. There is a "adult" vibe to the whole thing while the main congoing crowd is between 14 and 18.

Also, a swimming pool and """summer""" based cosplays. Sounds like some kind of excuse to take pics young teen girls in bikinis.

Will definitly not be going and really skeptical about the whole affaire.

>>9655112
He's kidding, we bite.

>>9655208
No, you do. I just bite in food.

>>9655184
>Viencon has very unrealistic and strange expectations
So do I. For instance I expect one not to use the Reddit markup on 4chan. Unrealistic am I right?

>The location is totally un-centralized , massively inconvienient and expensive to boot
Hence the shuttle busses, although admitted the lack of nearby affordable shops and towns is quite annoying to those without a car. Also are you really calling €90~99 p.p. for a 3 night stay at Center Parc is expensive? I pay twice the money on a hotel room at Animecon and that doesn't even include the €60 con ticket. Maybe you should learn to budget anon.

>Also. There is a "adult" vibe to the whole thing while the main congoing crowd is between 14 and 18.
Better call Animecon and have them cancel all 18+ events, because apparently you aren't allowed to target anything at adult anime fans. Besides even if the biggest age group at a con is between 14 and 18 years old [citation needed], that still leaves plenty of adults to target. And guess what, unlike these teens you obsessively keep mentioning us adults actually have the money to afford going away for the weekend with friends. I for one welcome an anime themed event free of those annoying OMG KAWAII NARUTO CHECK MY VLOG XD weebs.

>Also, a swimming pool and """summer""" based cosplays. Sounds like some kind of excuse to take pics young teen girls in bikinis.
Better stay away from TomoParty, swimming pools, beaches and wellness centers. Last time I heard those too are places where people of all ages walk around in bikini's. Better not give those creeps a chance at taking a picture am I right?

>Will definitly not be going and really skeptical about the whole affaire.
Good for you.

>>9655208
Only because you were asking for it. I mean I did warn you to keep your fingers away from me, didn't I?

>>9655215
Hey Prop-Anon!

>>9655230
I didn't see the post you're replying to but people don't take pictures of people inside swimming pools and wellness centres, and if someone was taking photos of specifically teens at the beach you bet your ass most people would take offence to that.

>>9655230
The largest age group at Acon is 18-23 years and as one of their staffers said, almost three quarters of their visitors is 18 years or older.

I expect even more 18+ events.

>>9653217
The only reason First Look even still has a cosplay thing is so that they don't have to pay for boothbabes walking around, because these events attract the more attractive female cosplayers, they can show these on their website for the 12 to 16 year old boys they're trying to target.

>>9655336
Tbh cosplayers will be the new boothbabes in the next coming years, I i can almost guarantee it.

I just realised I probably have been a seagull since like august 2013 and I only know/recognise 3 people on here, and never met any of you.Time goes fast...

>>9655347
As somebody who met most of them and had a ton on in my house.

Be glad.

>>9655374
Hi Brotege!

>>9655374
Story, or did everyone involved agree to never speak of the events again?

>>9655392
There is no story, only a mass STD checkup.

>>9655336
And for free or a goodiebag. While actual boothbabes they have to hire as staff.

>9655310
Totally agree on that!

>9655230
So Viencon is just going to be 14 to 18 yo "OMG KAWAII NARUTO CHECK MY VLOG XD weebs" that you think you are above for some reason. You know that just puts you right in the weeb complaining about weebs basket right? And middle aged single guys that've attended NL cons for decades that yearn for some con entertaiment more aimed to adults and basically are there to look at young girls in wigs and bikini.
Why don't you stick at your anonymous board where you edit faces of con visitors that you've met over badly shopped fake nudes to fap on and we call it a day? #wink
This Viencon thing sounds great alreay.

>>9655310
Totally agree on that!

>>9655230
So Viencon is just going to be 14 to 18 yo "OMG KAWAII NARUTO CHECK MY VLOG XD weebs" that you think you are above for some reason. You know that just puts you right in the weeb complaining about weebs basket right? And middle aged single guys that've attended NL cons for decades that yearn for some con entertaiment more aimed to adults and basically are there to look at young girls in wigs and bikini.
Why don't you stick at your anonymous board where you edit faces of con visitors that you've met over badly shopped fake nudes to fap on and we call it a day? #wink
This Viencon thing sounds great alreay

>>9655510
you have entirely missed >>9655230's point.

>>9655524
No I didn't sweetheart. I read quite correctly >>9655230 is single middle aged male weeb that complains about weebs. Don't be that 40 y/o ish person that still goes to nightclubs where the average age is 19 to look at girls please. At some point you're just a creep really. Of course people won't say it in your face, but you can bet they do. So keep an eye out for this middle aged single male anon going to Viencon and you'll know who it is.

>>9655510
>I for one welcome an anime themed event free of those annoying OMG KAWAII NARUTO CHECK MY VLOG XD weebs.
Learn to read Anon. And yes, I complain about weebs that act in an overly annoying and obnoxious way. By the extend of your logic I shouldn't even be allowed to complain about people blasting their music over their headphones at such high levels everyone can hear it while I'm listening to music myself at low levels myself.

>And middle aged single guys that've attended NL cons for decades that yearn for some con entertaiment more aimed to adults and basically are there to look at young girls in wigs and bikini.
Sure, because adults totally can't go to a con because they're still interested into anime, cosplay and Japanese culture. Surely all the adult visitors, core staff members, gophers, dealers and event staff at every con ever are only there so they can fap to under aged girls afterwards. Get real Anon.

>Why don't you stick at your anonymous board where you edit faces of con visitors that you've met over badly shopped fake nudes to fap on and we call it a day? #wink This Viencon thing sounds great alreay
Personal insults and accusations aimed at a stranger, really?

>>9655528
Yes, I am a total creep. I definitely only go to cons so I can stare at under aged girls and jerk off to them afterwards. Now if you excuse me, I feel like jerking off so I have to Photoshop Prop-Anon's face onto some hot chick's body otherwise I won't be able to get off tonight.

>>9655528
>>9655510
hi stranger
it's obvious you're not familiar around these parts
you're kind of making a fool of yourself
feel free to leave

>>9655544
Oeh, look at that jump reply.
Feel free to eave yourself sweetheart.
kiss

>>9655536
Yes, the whole point was that you're a creep. You are good at reciting facts. Now just like >>9655544 suggests, feel free to leave. :)

Feel free to close the door when you do, you don't live in a church.

>>9655536
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG! Shit, I just came SOOOO hard, betetr clean up before it leaves stains.

>>9655548
Okay, nice bait Anon. 8/10!

>>9655536
Actually, it's no secret that you are a senior con organizer of one of the bigger cons in NL.
And after a few gull meets, it's also really no surprise who's who. You don't still think you guys are all anonymous right?

>>9655552
5/7

>>9655548
ah the classic diamond-strength retort of "no u", truly a venerated debate technique hailed by professionals for generations
excuse me while i go delete myself from this planet in the face of this total destruction of my very personality

>>9655552
the amounts of bullshit in this post is staggering though, i'm dying

>>9655551
have some more

>>9655557
>while i go delete myself from this planet

Yawn, I'm still waiting.
:)

(and waiting for your even poorer comebacks)

>>9655559
Yeah, I see you at cons all the time and will so the next con too. Stop trying to throw yourself in front of middle aged anon I'm talking to.

>>9655551
>>9655559

I'm flattered

>>9655569
That coslay is really good by the way.

>>9655567
"1v1 me irl next con"

>>9655579
"Peek a boo"

>Yes, I am totally showing these mean people what happens when you mess with mai cosplay waifu.
>After I tell her what I just did for her I am totally entitled to have sex with her as the good guy I am!
>Or maybe some attention?
>A thank you is fine too...
>Just notice me please ;,;

>>9655528
Oh anon, you've never been to Elfia, have you. Such innocence.

I am gonna Taaaaaaaaake the bait!
As a female in her 20s, and not a newcomer to conventions.. lemme tell you that there are creepy people at conventions. Yes, indeed. Let me also tell you that there are many, many people older than 18 just going for the fun.
>but..but desu! Those people are only going to stare at underaged girls in bikini.
Well.. so am I. If someone has an amazing cosplay, damn right I'm gonna check it out! If someone has an amazing body, damn right I am gonna be jealous in a corner! Its not like the gulls are surrounding themselves with underaged girls, it's actually the opposite.
>aha!. But they are gonna take creepy photos for their fapfolder.
If you're going to a public beach event.. in bikini-cosplay. and you dont want them to take photos... Maaaybe you're at the wrong place. Either cover up or get out.
Oh, and between you and me, most of these girls love the attention. It probably boosts their selfconfidence. Oh, and you can find plenty o boudoir/bikini photos of them on their cosplay page, so why pay to make them yourself if someone else already did it for you?

In short, you dont know shit about the people/groups of people you're talking about and are just here to stir drama, as 4chan is toxic etc. Go back to facebook and stay there!

>>9655804
Holy fuck keep your autism to your blog.

Even if this is bait, I can’t have wild accusations like these floating around, so...

>>9655552
>Actually, it's no secret that you are a senior con organizer of one of the bigger cons in NL.
It’s also no secret that everyone who actually knows my identity is probably laughing their ass off right now. You know, I’m not quite sure if I should feel offended for being called an old fart, or feel complimented because you are somehow convinced I’m some prominent and powerful figure in the Dutch convention scene. What’s next, some ludicrous claim on how I’m in fact not one person, but an online persona secretly used by the major Dutch conventions in order to control public opinion and slander those who threaten their absolute control? Please do Anon as I do enjoy having a good laugh every now and then.

Now if you really need to know, the truth is that I am likely the least qualified person to be “the face of the Dutch threads”. I don’t really cosplay nor do I care about the cosplay community. I’ve never volunteered at a con, never hosted an event, and unless you count making pictures of my cats I’m definitely not a photographer. All I’ve been doing over the past 8 or 9 years is visit conventions, have fun and go home with a lot of new fond memories. Or perhaps that makes me the perfect person for the job. After all, I don’t care about any personal vendetta’s, cosplay group rivalry and the silly mud fights some idiots keep having because they’re uncapable of talking things out and move on. Okay, Tomo gets it rough, and I have to admit they have grown quite a bit and hold the potential to grow to a major player in size, content and quality. But still, leaders and admins picking sides in petty drama is what kills most groups, and yet here we are today. A community where people can speak their minds being more active than ever and some ended of us up making real friends in the process.

>>9655552
>>9655824
>And after a few gull meets, it's also really no surprise who's who. You don't still think you guys are all anonymous right?
Actually no, I don’t believe everyone here has remained anonymous. The con meets were all public and announced as such. The moment one attends a meet is the moment they voluntarily, and knowingly, give up their anonymity. The same also goes to those who share WIP shots, traceable “insider information”, or flat out linked to one of their social media accounts. The moment you join our Discord you’re even greeted by a disclaimer which states it’s a publicly accessible Discord, and that those wanting to remain anonymous should take great care in choosing what they decide to share. Anyone who believes they are still anonymous after any of this clearly should have their heads checked. Each of us knows what it meant to denounce their anonymity, and accepted the fact that they’re might be consequences for doing so. How’s that for great character?

And now, here you are. Not trying to threaten me, but the person you are convinced I should be. Quite the feat really, considering I’ve never made any real effort in hiding my identity. I’ve doxed myself several times, and always came clean to anyone asking if I am that Tully person from /cgl/.

It does make you think, really. If you managed to get my name wrong during your little “vigilante investigation”, just how many more names did you get wrong? 1, 2, 5, all of them? Are you truly willing risk the reputation of all the people you listed, knowingly you could be wrong about them? Do you realise Anonymous isn’t some hivemind where everyone agrees, but rather a wildcard of anyone with an internet connection such as you? Just because person A says something sucks doesn’t mean Person B agrees just because she asked what material to use for her next cosplay. The choice is yours, but I’d highly recommend thinking twice before acting. You might not like what happens when you are wrong.

I know we're in the middle of drama, but I'd like some help.

I am sort of decided on how to make most of this cosplay. (Jeanne D'arc, Fate) However, I don't know how to make the gloves. Last time I tried, it turned out a horrible mess. Any tips?

>>9655835
There was a tutorial about the gloves specifically on Kamui's fb too but I can't find it right now - I think it was a video. Anyhow this seems like a good option?

>>9655848
Ah yeah, you're right! She shaped the pieces on her arm, though. How would I be able to make that armpiece bend outwards a bit without looking weird?

>>9655852
Maybe try padding your arm?

>>9655852
By making the outer circumference bigger, your bracers will move away from your arm naturally (especially if they do fit snugly at the wrist). You could also try and shape them a bit more with heat.

>>9655338
They already are, where have you been? Maybe NL is a bit behind on this, though.

I'm the host of animecon, ama

>>9655927
What was the deal with the whole date/location thing that happened after the 2017 edition. There where a lot of rumors about you changing venue due to the breaking of contracts and stuff. In the end you're still in worldforum but I also heard rumors that you'll leave there after the 2018 edition.
tldr:
Was the WF contract broken& how?
Are you actually moving venue after the 2018 ed.?

>>9655915
Pretty sure paraluna and team chaos were hired for firstlook this year

>>9655552
Im here for unsweetened feedback on my cosplays, something cosplaynl is too sjw for. I don't even edit the photographs watermark out of my pictures and my cosplays are incredibly easy to recognize. What makes you think i care about anonymity.
But because some people dont see names on the post they assume everyone who is 'unmasked' automatically posts a part of the backlash too, hence the no names rule.

>>9655552
I like how you're assuming that no one's aware of their identity being public when openly 'announcing' who they are.

>>9655958
You think? Chaos has been doing promotions for quite a while now, no offence to them, they're not bad cosplayers, don't really see the need to bash hired cosplayers, it's better than booth babes, at least cosplayers know what they're promoting and are more fun interacting with.

>>9655930


The contract was not broken.

Acon is actually not moving after the 2018 edition but is simply splitting up in two so There'll be a summer and winter Acon.

There said it, i let the secret out.

>>9655958
>>9655968
Seeing the mess from the firstlook organisation I doubt they did. I think they were just there as visitors because they generally make game cosplays.

>>9655973
Id unironically be up for a winter acon, the gap of meh is real.

>>9655977
Pretty sure Paraluna was at a certain booth.

>>9655978
If nishicon gets dedicated rather than hobbying it might fill it up.

>>9655980
I haven't seen them around, only team chaos so yeah maybe. Paraluna don't really strike me as the people that just come in cosplay to a random con for no reason so i think hired more likely yes.

>>9655982
Team Paraluna was hired by the ASUS booth and Team Chaos by OMEN as far as I know.

>>9656005
Ah that would certainly explain their attendance.

>>9655826
Most conventions follow and a lot of staff actively participate in this tread.

Firstly its a place where people dare to be honest and say things without filter. Good and bad.

Secondly organizers have a lot they would like to say, about their own organization, other conventions, cosplayers, the schene etc. without it automatically being made into the opinion of organization X or Y.

Lets say Karlijn says she doesn't like popular cosplayer X and said cosplayer participates in an compo an loses, it will automatically be rumoerd as Cosplayer X lost because animecon hates them.

Also not everyone here knows who everyone is, but most people know someone who lurks or post's here.

>>9655927
>I'm the host of animecon, ama
Say you don't feel like doing groceries but still need to make dinner. You open your fridge and find half a bell pepper, some spring onions, mushrooms and some carrots. What dish would you make it? I believe I have some beef left in the freezer if that helps.

>>9655978
>Id unironically be up for a winter acon, the gap of meh is real.
Same to be honest. The con schedule looks so empty the next couple of months.

>>9656183
Not the same anon. But i recomend you get pizza.
because why not?

>>9655551
>>9655559
Hold on, hold on, Trigger-chan said badly shopped.
These are way too high quality, I won't stand for this!

>>9655824
Well, someone has to make sure the photo in the OP passes QC now, right?

>>9655978
Same, but then I'd prob skip abunai unless I get a car / room at the venue itself.

>>9656218
Yet another anon: screw pizza (because that costs extra money and I'm assuming leftover anon is as poor as I am), stir fry is the answer to all veggie leftovers.

>>9655112
Now as someone with a little bit of social anxiety and as a long time lurker. I feel unsure to join the discord, cause of the "we kick lurkers after X days" thing. If I would join what should the frequency of actually saying something be? once an hour? once a day? once a week?

>>9657055
If you say something once a week you'll be fine.

>>9657055
I'm more worried about the bad rep 4chan has to show myself. I go on cgl/this thread daily.

>>9657094
There's no bad rep if you're a decent person. Nothing happens. it really depends on yourself. I'm well known to be posting on 4chan, but never had any bad remarks.

I want to send some english cosplayers fun stuff / maybe even food, anyone ideas? Things they don't have over there foodwise?

>>9657178
obligatory hagelslag and stroopwafels

>>9657094
Dont join, there are some really fucked up freaks hanging in the discord. You've been warned

>>9657224
I heard one of them was a big con organiser though?

Can anybody who knows him really well confirm this?

>>9657199
forget the stroopwafels. They sell them everywhere here now in the UK. I can even get them at my uni.

>>9657227
Stfu

>>9657227


Haven't you heard he's the reason why Prop-anon won that competition at Acon?

>>9657094
Well, if you earned that reputation you're the only one to blame. If not, just explain things when or if people bring it up. You'd be surprised how willing we are to listen.

>>9657178
Tbh, Dutch food is only good for fish, cakes, candy, cookies and deep fried food. So I'd say herring with onions AND pickles, the eternal stroopwafels, kokosmakronen, boterbabbelaars, honingdrop, Haagse hopjes(!), roze koeken, pepernoten, frikandellen, bitterballen...

>>9657178
I've send a few packages like that and candy is always a hit. Girls tend to like the traditional Dutch candy because it looks cute. Just grab a few small from Hema. Tony's Chocolonely is also always a hit. I usually go for an alltime favourite (like caramel & sea salt) and one of the weirder ones. The new limited editions came out last month and one of them is a very Dutch looking one with stoofpeertjes.

Non-food: if they are into cute, things like Takkie (the dog from Jip & Janneke) and Nijntje goods tend to be well-recieved.

>>9657178
Mergpijpen and might as well send some Sinterklaas stuff.

>>9657596
Nijntje is quite popular here as well, just going by the name of 'Miffy'.

I'd also send kruidnoten as we're in the season and people seem to love them here a lot. And speculaas. They don't have that here.

>>9657178
Send Dutch liquor. If you don't want beer or anything too strong, I recommend advocaat.

>>9657612
I gave an American friend a Nijntje/Miffy plushie once and she called it a Hello Kitty ripoff...

>>9658586
>
LOL, while Nijntje/Miffy was much much earlier created than Hello Kitty.

Are there any decent photo's made of cosplayers during Firstlook? Doesn't even look like any of the photographers i follow were even there?

>>9658713
>decent
>firstlook

It's dark as shit in there, don't expect much.
Here's two photographers I saw:
fb: /Aryashiriarts
fb: /venomcosplayphotography

>>9658724
Unsharp photo.... man. Such a shame.

FirstLook is terrible for cosplayers.

>>9658790
Obviously the focus of the photo was not on the cosplayers, but on the background. Clearly more important since it's so sharp!

>>9658790
Best picture I could find that didn't have team chaos all over it.

>>9658562

How bout Bols Jenever boiiii

Hmmm to bad not to exciting photo's........

>>9658865
You're joking right..

>>9658865
The center of attention is once again Sakuraflor

>>9659070
center? yes. Attention? no.
She's not in cosplay and in no way stand out even if she's in the middle. My eyes are drawn in order to the LoL pair(xayah and ra-somthing?), the peach and then the junkrat.

>>9659370
Yeah that's kinda what I meant, they're still in it somewhat i guess (now you say it, i didn't actually recognize them in casual outfits)

>>9649928
I bet acting unprofessional as fuck will get him a job in the future, Floriaan Banaan.

>>9653238
Everyone who feels fucked in the ass by the con gets an extra chance to catch hepatitis A from the neckbeard who peed in the ballpit, yay.

>>9653350
It's incompetent fatties, and stoners, and fat stoners, I guarantee it.

>>9653357
That's lies and damn lies. The only place I've ever lived where mail and parcel services were 100% reliable is Japan. The Swiss and France are lying through their teeth, and Japanese services are probably crucifying themselves over delivering something a couple hours later than planned.

>>9658586
Och vey the american education system. retards galore.

>>9659392
To be fair, if you had never heard of Miffy you too would probably assume it's a knock-off of a character you're familiar with. For instance look at this character and tell me what you think.

>>9659402
Musti, Belgium children's tv show that also aired in the Netherlands. Was developed in 1969. The creator of Musti said since 1945, but only after getting Nijntje-Musti comparisons (I'm not saying he lied to prevent law suits, but Musti wasn't in the public until 1969).

Also eventhough the main characters look a like, the art of the TV show and Nijntje books are quite different.

>>9659370
Ugh don't get me started on xayah.

>>9658724
Not that impressive photo's, such a shame.....

>>9658713
Miradel was there but I've only seen a chubby Samus pic, and there didn't seem to be much cosplayers to begin with.

>>9658724
Is one of them cosplaying Jessica Nigri?

>>9660456

>>9658724
>>9660456
>>9660564

No, it's a little bit different. But pretty much all Roadhog genderbends look the same. So I get the confusion.

>>9660641
Are they working off the same fanart or something?

>>9660688
Well that's the funny part. Al the fanart looks the same aswell. They only difference if noticed so far, is if they made the genderbend thin, chubby or as fat as the original character.
The clothes are pretty much all the same.

I guess it's a character people don't like to be creative with. Don't know why.

Already done with the metoo trend.

>>9660796
Same. Bet half of them just do it for attention

Ok so what exactly do you want us to do/say?

>>9660830
My reaction as well. Just attentionwhoring like 9/10 on cosplaynl. Happened to see the harley club dress cosplayer as well?

>>9660846
amg but look at my bought costume!!!

>>9658724
Hey look it's a bad firstlook picture AND team chaos is in focus! We're in luck.

>>9660846
No I didn't. Which one's that?

>>9660830
Same dude who was really persistent on finding a harley quinn for dcc x-mas to walk all day with him. Someone told him that chances are higher to actually go there and ask a harley quinn cosplayer but he refused and said it wasn't guaranteed that they'll be walking with him all day.

>>9660830
Wow. That face does not say 'Link', but he'd be absolutely perfect for a 'that creepy teacher from Azumanga Daioh' cosplay.

>>9655824
>>9655826

You are my hero for these posts, dude. Whoever you are. I haven't been on cgl in a long damn time and with all the fuckery I've already seen in the type of threads I used to frequent I was ready to not come back again for a long time. But you have restored my spirit and I feel comfy and happy and faithful that there in all the dramallamas that flock to jfashion and anime shit etc, there will always be a silver lining...always someone like you.......these posts have helped me with real life bullshit going on too, i really cannot express what stumbling upon this thread has meant to me today.

i lov u

>>9660956
That's weird.

>>9661423
Holy shit you're right!

You know the drill, new thread: >>9661641