/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Doing a dump of coords from this old Japanese geocities page, I've seen some before (I think they were collated in that oldschool imgur folder) but others I don't recognise at all. Greentext courtesy of Google translate.

http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-rgos.html

>To five years ago Victorian maiden-like patty that was decorated in the city of window visited in training love glance to the generation of Sierre dress. I have collected and wear it since. Now a lot in the closet ... more like a cosplay costume. Here I display the photographs I took with the Sho Ru and friends, at the event

>October 2003
I was invited to do after the location of Meiji village location FSS, to do it by everyone. It was fun

This is the epitome of oldschool to me and my favourite style.

>>9596790
>霧香様
>Kiri Kaori-sama

>>9596794
>聖羅
>Seira / A Holy Shrine

>>9596797
>剛田武様&える様
>Gōdatakeshi-sama & ???
(auto-translate translated this as "and E", Google translate came out with "I seem to" and Excite translator came out with "they seem to get it")

>>9596797
I can see how newbies can get this so wrong

>>9596803
>明石怜音様
>Akashi Rei Oto-sama

>>9596806
>前田公爵邸(藍羅&志摩様)
>Old Maeda Marquis Youth House (Ai Rin & Shima-sama)

(as usual, I've ended up not using google translate's translation for half of these after all or it comes out as nonsense or doesn't do the honorifics properly. It's better that way since there'd be no point me copying the automatic Chrome translation over when you guys can easier look that up yourselves)

>>9596808
>2003年8月東京
>ゴシック&ロリィタバイブルという雑誌主催の試写会に行きました。メイド服を着てきた方一名にプレゼントありとのことで、バンパイア風メイドにて参加。賞品の王冠バックいただきました
>August 2003 Tokyo
>I went to a preview held by a magazine called Gothic & Lolita Bible. Participating in a vampire style maid that there was a gift for one who wore maid dress. I received a crown of prizes

>ヴィクトリアンメイデン
>Victorian Maiden

>>9596810
>王冠(Larmes de Angel)
>Crown (Larmes de Angel)

>>9596817
>Millefleurs
>コルセットとクラシカルが素敵なブランドです。
>Millefleurs
>Corset and classical are a nice brand.

>箱根ロケ
>Location Hakone

>>9596819
>ヴィクトリアンメイデン
>一番大好きなクラッシックドレスのブランドです
>Victorian Maiden
>It's the classic dress brand I like the most.

>パティシエールワンピース
>Patisserie One Piece

>>9596823
>京都 長楽館
>Kyoto Chouraku-kan

>>9596824
>コール天ワンピース
>Corduroy One Piece

>>9596826
>ティローズワンピース
>Tea Rose One Piece

>>9596831
>ドールワンピース
>Doll One Piece

>>9596833
>マロリーワンピース
>Mallory One Piece

>>9596837
>明治村
>Meiji-mura

>>9596838
>ホワイトコート
>White Coat

>>9596839
>メアリーマグダレン
>とてもクラシカルで可憐なブランドです。大好きです。
>Mary Magdalene
>It is a very classical and pretty brand. I love it.

>モルガーヌワンピース
>Morgane One Piece

(it should be this but the dress in the photo doesn't look like corduroy, I wonder if they also released it in cotton)
https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-morgane-op-2004

>>9596839
>メアリーマグダレン
>とてもクラシカルで可憐なブランドです。大好きです。
>Mary Magdalene
>It is a very classical and pretty brand. I love it.

>モルガーヌワンピース
>Morgane One Piece

(it should be this but the dress in the photo doesn't look like corduroy, I wonder if they also released it in cotton)
https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-morgane-op-2004

>>9596845
>ジブリ美術館にて
>At the Ghibli Museum

>>9596846
>ケープ付きミディコート
>Midi-coat with Cape

https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-midi-coat-with-cape

>>9596847
>編み上げ靴
>Lace-up shoes

(no blouse, no petti, no socks, not mentioned)

Couldn't ID the dress but the really simple design makes it look old.

>>9596847
>編み上げ靴
>Lace-up shoes

(no blouse, no petti, no socks, not mentioned)

Couldn't ID the dress but the really simple design makes it look old.

>>9596852
>ナンジャタウン、古河低→
>Namja Town, Old Furukawa Garden

https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-rote-rose-op

>>9596854
>ローテローゼワンピ
>Rote Rose One Piece

>>9596859
>メタモルフォーゼ
>とてもロリィタで可愛いお洋服が多いです。マリーをイメージして着てみました
>Metamorphose
>It is very Lolita and there are many pretty clothes. I tried to wear it with the image of Mary

After this there are no more small captions under the images.

>>9596863
Everyone's seen these few before.

>>9596865

>>9596867
Having a hard time figuring out from the numbering whether I'm supposed to be reading these left-right or right-left, which is why I IDd the MM items to check if I'd got it right.

>>9596868
ouji

>>9596869
>BABY THES TARS SHINE BRIGHT
>こちらも可愛いロリィタブランドです。深田恭子さんも映画で着ていました
>BABY THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT
>This is also a kawaii Lolita brand. Fukada Kyoko-san also wore it in the movie

>>9596872
Some really weird mob cap/bonnet thing going on with the Karami JSK there. No blouse again and she's not even outside so I doubt it was because of heat.

>>9596876
I like the velveteen babydoll JSK but hoo boy not a fan of those lace-up peep-toe wedges

>>9596881
>Angelic Pretty
>昔の少女漫画の主人公が着ていたような可愛いドレスのブランドです。
>Angelic Pretty
>It's a kawaii dress brand like the heroine of an old shojo manga would wear.

>>9596885
Then as now, AP was so much poofier and sweeter than all the other brands. That seems to be a MM parasol she's using with it though, and Maple still sell a similar style of wig.

>>9596888

>>9596889
>海外ブランドのブーツとコルセット、ストッキング
>手づくりのパニエのコーディネイトです
>Overseas brand of boots and corset, stockings
>Coordinated with a hand-made pannier

>>9596892
>左のはアマチュアの作家様のドレスとメイデン様のヘッドドレス
>On the left is an amateur author's dress and Maiden's head dress

>>9596894
>左はメイデン様とBABY様のでコーディネイトしました
>To the left (sic, I think she meant right) coordinated with Maiden and BABY-sama.

>>9596896
And that's it, unfortunately! The Wayback Machine never crawled the site so I just added both pages and all the image links to its archive, but I'm screenshotting the pages as well just in case - we all assumed Hello Lace was archived but since the malware attack even the Wayback Machine deleted it from their archives.

>>9596907
By the way, the translation in OP >>9596790 was shit. It should read something more like:
>5年程前に研修で訪れた街のウィンドーに飾れたヴィクトリアンメイデン様のパティシエールワンピースの生成にひと目惚れ。それ以来収集して着るようになりました。今ではクローゼットに沢山…コスプレ衣装より多いような。こちらでは私聖羅と友人、イベントで撮らせていただいた写真を展示しています
>Five years ago I fell in love with the generation colourway of Victorian Maiden-sama's Patissiere One Piece that was in the window display of the city that I visited during the training. I have collected and wear it since. Now a lot in the closet ... more like a cosplay costume. Here I display the photographs I took with the Seira and friends, at the event

The timeline and translation is confusing since the site is "copyright 2005.2" but she says she bought that OP "five years before". According to Lolibrary Patissiere OP was released in 2002, but it doesn't make sense for a 2002 OP to be her first lolita piece when there are photos in the collection like >>9596863 that are explicitly dated as early as October 2001. Even if she was rounding up to five years, Patissiere must be at least 2001, possibly 2000 (if VM even displayed in physical shops as early as 2000).
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-patissiere-op

I tried to look it up on VM's website using the Wayback Machine to check where that 2002 date might have come from, but I couldn't find that OP in their catalogue at all.

>>9596909
One of the things that surprised me when looking it up was just how many releases VM had on their webshop even as early as 2001. They were a really big brand by lolita standards then and held a lot of events, no wonder they got so many full-page spreads in the early G&LBs. Makes me wonder if their sporadic releasing now is really because of the design replicas and lack in popularity or if it's just the designer stepping back, or even getting bored and running out of ideas.

I also found myself a new oldschool dream dress while looking for it, and it's absolutely fucking beautiful:
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-classical-doll-op
https://web.archive.org/web/20010413211112/http://www.victorianmaiden.com:80/catalogue/op/cdop.html

And here's the original ¥120,000 coffin listing for anyone that's curious:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010627201908fw_/http://www.victorianmaiden.com:80/catalogue/hitugi/index.html

>>9596914
Also, I don't suppose these items are too interesting to anyone else, but here's confirmation that brands themselves made sock toppers and they weren't just hand-made. I have a pair of old BtSSB "wristcuffs" that are so loose I always wondered if they were perhaps originally intended as sock toppers.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010414013413/http://www.victorianmaiden.com:80/catalogue/accessory/rg.html
>梯子状のトーションレースにベルベットリボンを通したガーターです。
>靴下止めや付け襟等、使用方法は様々です。
>伸縮性のあるレースをたっぷりと使用しており、またリボンで絞って頂く事がますので、
>靴下止めとして使用して頂く場合、
>オーバーニー~足首あらゆる長さの靴下に対応出来ます。
>It is a garter that passed a velvet ribbon through a ladder-shaped torsion lace.
>How to use is various like stopping socks and collar etc.
>I am using plenty of stretchy lace and I will squeeze it with a ribbon again,
>When you use it as a sock stop,
>Overnight ~ Ankle It can correspond to socks of any length.
(the fact that ankle socks get a mention also confirms their presence in some form as an item in oldschool)

That pair aren't on lollibrary but another similar set of garters from a few years later are:
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-lace-garter-belt-one-pair

I really need to learn how to make these (although I doubt I could find wide enough lace locally). I wear through the toes and heels of socks first and something like this would be so fucking useful and make lolita laundry so much easier - it'd save me having to either be kinda gross and avoid washing or only handwash the feet for as long as possible, or washing properly and then having to re-starch and re-iron every time.

>>9596916
Plus, here's a dump of Victorian Maiden wallpapers. These are interesting fresh content because they're not just duplicates of shoots from magazines - I recognise some of the models and coords from G&LB shoots but the photos and framing are different. They're also dated, which always makes me excited in oldschool since so much of our research is based off imagedumps of unsourced photos.

This one is for July 2002 and matches a shoot in G&LB 5, also from July 2002.

>>9596924
Corresponding magazine spread.

>>9596928
August 2002.

>>9596929
The wallpaper shows the details of the coord much more clearly than this advert did, also in G&LB 5. VM's gaijn models are pretty tall (that photos not even taken from a low angle and the dress is hitting well above the knee, although I guess she is raising her arms) so maybe that's why they cropped it.

>>9596933
September 2002.

Not sure if I love or hate the poor shopping skills. Everyone is just cut and pasted on "European" scenery.

>>9596935
G&LB 5 again.

>>9596941
'OCTBER' 2005 and I'm not even sure what this is meant to be. Super basic black slip dress that just looks like an average 90s goth look.

>>9596938
I've always loved those kinds of effects in brand ads and other old photos desu, they're both hilarious and aesthetic. I've always wanted to do it to my coord photos for a laugh but my shooping skill is Paint-tier so I've never been able to.

>>9596946
G&LB 5 again. Looking at the wallpaper, I think it might be a bustier/cami and fishtail skirt set and not a slip dress? Hard to tell and seems more for the goth market.

>>9596947
November 2002 and they're still pulling from G&LB 5 shoots.

>>9596950

>>9596953
I guess the coat for December 2002 just never made it into a brand ad (unless it was in KERA or elsewhere), I checked up to G&LB 9 and it's not featured.

>>9596957
They've done similar looks to this one for January 2003 a few times, Misako wore that choker with a floral OP with the same cut and fishnets in an early G&LB, and they had a Japanese model wear it in G&LB 6 before they used it on this white model in G&LB 8.

>>9596959

>>9596961
Choker, fishnets, opera gloves, velvet cap-sleeved OP check.

>>9596964
And check. Different dress, same style.

>>9596967
Sadly the February, March and April wallpapers were never archived but I did notice the model from >>9596935 and >>9596941 crop up again in G&LB 9 (June 2003). Slightly different dress (no lace overlay) but exact same model, hair and styling.

>>9596971
May, June and August didn't save either and after that they stopped doing it, but July 2003 did.

These are so interesting. Thanks for sharing, OP!

>>9596973
Also corresponds to G&LB 9.

>>9596974
Thanks! I always get dispirited when these threads are started with a dump of street snaps everyone's already seen from Tumblr. The threads have been kinda dead lately and we can't have discussions of new oldschool coords without accusations of selfposting since most of them browse here, so I thought it was about time to contribute some OC.

>>9596977
Dumping snaps from the coordinate section of their site now:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040607161119/http://www.victorianmaiden.com:80/victorian_room/coordinates.html

(the wallpapers were all from here: https://web.archive.org/web/20030407092427fw_/http://www.victorianmaiden.com:80/wpaper/index.html))

Mostly sadly only have ant-sized pics archived, summer 2003.

>>9596986
Interesting that the filename calls this shirred OP a nightdress.

>>9596988

>>9596989

>>9596990

>>9596991

>>9596992

>>9596993

>>9596997

>>9596998

>>9597000

>>9597001

>>9597003

>>9597004

>>9597006
Nice easy hairstyle (less easy if you're Japanese and have to wave your hair I guess, but it looks like waves from overnight braids).

>>9597007
VM goes goth again.

When was the last time VM did any gothic styling? It was a huge trend in the early 00s and maybe they were just trying to capture that market, but they never do anything gothic now AFAIK.

>>9597009

>>9597011

>>9597015

>>9597016
Sandals are absolutely fucking everywhere in oldschool and part of what made it feel wearable even in summer but nobody tries to bring them back. I wonder if it's because the Western comm can't accept it or just because everyone thinks they're ugly (I have a huge aversion to peep-toe anything).

>>9597019

>>9597021

>>9597022

>>9597023
Sandals *and* an ankle-length dress with what looks like a hoopskirt holding it up. I don't think I'd call this aristo either.

>>9597024

>>9597025

>>9597028

>>9597030

>>9597032

>>9597033

>>9597034

>>9597035

>>9597037

>>9597040
That's me for the night, I think. 4chan is being awful and making me fill out multiple captchas for every fucking image, and I've posted everything from Summer 2003 now anyway. I'll come back either after food or another day to do Autumn and Winter.

Plus I don't want to drive the thread into image limit before anyone's even got a discussion going.

>>9597042
Wait, just a couple more - corresponding magazine scans for some of the above. It doesn't say whether the girls in the pic are staff, the designer, customers or what but the styling of some is the same.

>>9597047
Pic related matches the skirt in >>9597024 but uses a different blouse.

>>9596967
want that IW op so bad

>>9596967

>>9597049
You and me both. I found it on mercari once missing the collar and sleeves, tried to buy it but japonica took to long to process my order.

Fucking worst day

>>9597065
Maybe you were fortunate and it'll come up with the collar and sleeves some day. Without them it's nothing special, lots of brands have released shirred OPs like that.

>>9597049
>>9597065
it's on ebay

>>9596790
>>9596797
>>9596810
>>9596819
>>9596826
>mfw seeing all these glorious platform heels

>>9596833
Incidentally, that OP is up on Closet Child's auction account (and I assume also their website) in both black and brown:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h277359439
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h277359791
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-antique-doll-op

>>9597212
Fuck, of course it is when I dont get paid until later this week.

>>9596803
It says Eru-sama. Could also be L-sama.

>>9597227
Few more old VM things:

2001/2 gobelin JSK and capelet set:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t525385607
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelins-jsk
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelin-stand-collar-cape

2004(?) gobelin fur JSK and capelet (design is identical and gobelin is the same but colour looks different, might just be lighting/age)
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m205513382
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelin-fur-jsk

2005 black velveteen cap sleeve OP:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/192978026
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-high-waist-ribbon-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-high-waist-ribbon-op-2005-2nd-release

unknown white velveteen princess sleeve OP for 6500 yen!
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p554263363
couldn't ID this but I think it's old, it reminded me of the Rosa OP from 2002

judging by the measurements, this the slightly longer 2013 re-release of a corduroy OP VM have been producing since 2001
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n201608905
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-curduroy-op-2013
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op-2002
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op-2003

This cut of Rococo Bouquet isn't on lolibrary so I got over-excited thinking it might be think it might be the 2002 release that has no photos, but then I remembered >>9596933 and lo and behold, the text on that ad says that OP is the 2002 Rococo Bouquet. It could be an unlisted cut of either year.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b154711698
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-rococo-bouquet-op-2002
The cut is just like this but the fabric is different:
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-ophelia-ribbon-op-2005

>>9597227
Few more old VM things:

2001/2 gobelin JSK and capelet set:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t525385607
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelins-jsk
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelin-stand-collar-cape

2004(?) gobelin fur JSK and capelet (design is identical and gobelin is the same but colour looks different, might just be lighting/age)
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m205513382
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelin-fur-jsk

2005 black velveteen cap sleeve OP:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/192978026
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-high-waist-ribbon-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-high-waist-ribbon-op-2005-2nd-release

unknown white velveteen princess sleeve OP for 6500 yen!
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p554263363
couldn't ID this but I think it's old, it reminded me of the Rosa OP from 2002

judging by the measurements, this the slightly longer 2013 re-release of a corduroy OP VM have been producing since 2001
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n201608905
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-curduroy-op-2013
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op-2002
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-corduroy-op-2003

This cut of Rococo Bouquet isn't on lolibrary so I got over-excited thinking it might be think it might be the 2002 release that has no photos, but then I remembered >>9596933 and lo and behold, the text on that ad says that OP is the 2002 Rococo Bouquet. It could be an unlisted cut of either year.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b154711698
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-rococo-bouquet-op-2002
The cut is just like this but the fabric is different:
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-ophelia-ribbon-op-2005

>>9596881
> not a fan of those lace-up peep-toe wedges

but anon... they're like barefoot rhs...

>>9597322
They're heels so they're not like RHS though, and barefoot anything is a little gross. Her feet are essentially naked except for some string and it freaks me out.

>>9597342
yeah i was joking. i think they're weird too but for some reason i don't hate them.

Speaking of shoes, I absolutely love >>9596852 and it doesn't seem like places make them like that any more. Any idea where I could fins something similar?

I recently bought a velvet jsk from 2004, its got cotton eyelet lace panels and velvet bows just above those panels.
the dress needs to be taken to a dry cleaner to get the years of age out of the lace and bring it back to life. ive been putting it off because summer is not the time for extremely heavy velvets.
the bows above the panels have probably never been steamed into shape, theyre in a drooping position deeply creased into this shape, i can pull them into a nice bow shape but they immediately droop back. im hoping i can ask the dry cleaner for any options to get these deep creases out of the bows and have them open again but i was hoping an old schooler could give me some advice.
is it possible to spray starch the bows into their proper shape after its been dry cleaned and steamed? does spray starch leave any noticeable residue on black velvet? any better way of bringing this dress back to its glory days?
>pic related is dress, cant see bows above the lace in pic bc of exposure though.

>>9596964
I love this so much.

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-28501

>>9596876
I've gotta get myself some socks like these, I know they're super basic but I'm almost bored of using ruffly lace-topped socks with everything, I need some variety.

When I've bought them on eBay though a lot are sheer or way too white. Is there an easy source for white/black knee-highs and OTKs IRL? Are school socks the best bet? It's back-to-school sale time right now but I'd have to make a special trip to a large supermarket to look.

>>9597048
On to autumn.

>>9597912

>>9597913

>>9597961

>>9597963
These boots are amazing.

>>9597976

>>9597984
I always used to hate gobelin but now I find myself wanting it more and more.

>>9597987

>>9597994
More gobelin coats.

>>9598018

>>9598022
Black florals.

>>9598033

>>9598034
I like the atmosphere of black florals but, kind of weirdly, I feel like they only look appropriate indoors in old buildings? Floral seems weird for winter even in black, and the dusty colours of dried flowers mixed with black don't fit outdoors in summer. Maybe I just don't have enough gothic sensibility to appreciate it. Indoors they look like they belong, with antique furniture and wallpaper and dusty dried flowers in vases.

>>9598041
This is a really interesting neckline, feels much more mediaeval or Tudor-inspired. I never see stuff like this for sale.

>>9598043
The model's face and make-up is different too, she's very pretty.

>>9598047
Kind of odd posing, I thought she was spreading her legs at first until I realised she was sitting sideways and letting the skirt drape over the armchair.

>>9598049
Another mediaeval neckline with much more traditional lolita hair. I fucking love square neckline OPs, wish I had smoother skin and could pull them off without having to risk getting foundation on my clothes from putting make-up on my chest.

>>9598052

>>9598056
It's unusual to see a textured/patterned underdress instead of a plain one.

>>9598058
And here's winter's coordinates. The warmth level doesn't really seem any different from the autumn ones.

>>9598062
The black colourway of this dress is on auctions right now, incidentally. It's been sat there quite a while:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l380999550
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-airel-op

>>9598066
I wish I could get my curls to look this perfect. They're so neat but they don't look sausage-y or fake, I wonder if it's because of the varying tones in her hair.

>>9597034
I like her hairstyle here. I will definitely try it with my next old school coord.

Btw anon, thank you for this thread. It made me remember how and why I fell in love with lolita fashion. Not always perfect poses and styling, fairy tale mood and simple outfits... ahhh, I miss those times...

>>9598068
Super wintry long fur coat and capelet. I really need to step up my hairstyling game, I should stop being so lazy about it.

>>9598070
I can't help thinking that this perfect look would be destroyed the moment you stepped out of the door here though. It's pretty easy to cope with dry cold in lolita but local winters here are extremely wet and windy, and every public building ends up being disgustingly humid indoors because of people's wet coats drying.

>>9598073
It's just so angelic.

>>9598074
Return of the coffin.

>>9598076

>>9598078
I would love to have hair like this, I've tried three different straight black wigs for gothic coordinates and they all look super unnatural on me. Maybe my skintone just doesn't suit it.

>>9598058
I adore the floral underdress under a plain overdress. I may steal that...

>>9598080

>>9598084

>>9598080
Make sure the undertone of the black compliments the undertone of your skin. That's likely the issue.

>>9598086

>>9598087
I was thinking I might need a very dark brown instead of a bluish black. At first I thought the wig fibres just weren't as good-quality as on brown and blonde wigs I own, but when some friends of mine with naturally dark hair tried them on for Halloween they looked fine and very natural, whereas on me they look super obviously "wiggy" even if I darken my eyebrows and do heavier make-up.

Anyway, I'm done. That's every coord VM put on the website for 2003 that's accessible (some I'd never seen before appeared to be dead links but if you amended the URL it was actually just the first page in the gallery that wasn't archived and you could pull other photos out). There are coords for other years I might come back and post another time.

>>9598069
You're welcome anon. I've always loved old VM ads and I hope some people are inspired to start buying and wearing more of it from this dump. I love how formulaic oldschool sweet can be but it also bores me sometimes, so the "freer" styling in old classic lolita is an interesting change of pace.

>>9596914
>do not sleep with the lid closed

brilliant.

How salty do you think people would be if I edited my next old school coord on CoF like these? >>9596894
>>9596896
>>9596872
>>9596831

>>9597307
Wunderwelt have the black colourway of the beige gobelin JSK linked in >>9597307, but they're charging a lot more and it doesn't even come with the capelet:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-22548
They have the beige too but it's missing the waist ties:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-25184

Brown colourway of the corduroy OP from the same post too. Brown was released in 2003 and 2013 but this looks like 2013 because it's 93cm long:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-26696
I also just realised that I pasted in the wrong auction link in the original post and put a recent velour mermaid OP in instead, correct one is here:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w152492782

Brown colourway of Ophelia Ribbon (2005):
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-08961

Velveteen Gather JSK and bolero set, 2001 in...light plum? IDK what you call this colour:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-11132
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-gather-jsk
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-puff-sleeve-bolero

They also have the Odette OP (similar to the velveteen OPs in >>9596961 but shorter), but I can't tell if it's the 2000/2001 original or the 2013 re-release because VM tend not to change their designs when they re-release. If you got it you could probably tell by checking if there was a phone number on the tag:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-13424
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-odette-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-odette-op-0

And the similar Charlotte OP from 2001 in both black and red with a matching bolero:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-08047
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-21226
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-charlotte-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-flare-sleeve-bolero

>>9598135
I for one would love it, do it anon I'll back you up kek

>>9598141
More spoonfeeding because pls, I know we're all cheap and VM holds value really well on the Japanese market then is difficult to sell in the West, but I want it to regain popularity:

WW have the brown colourway of Velveteen Antique Doll from >>9597227 as well, but they've priced it 5000 yen higher than CC did:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-13423

They also have the long velour OP from >>9597912 in black:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-02582
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velour-long-op-0

The coats in >>9597984 and >>9598018 aren't available right now but this gorgeous 2001 gobelin coat is:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d227897392
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-gobelin-short-length-coat
(I like how the seller knew enough about the item to say the original price was 48k yen, but left out that that was 16 years ago)

The white velveteen OP in >>9597307 is also on LM. The price is higher but it might work out cheaper for an EU buyer since velveteen's a bitch to ship and customs are a thing:
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/victorian-maiden-velveteen-op-2

The black cap sleeve OP overdress thing from >>9597307 is on Wunderwelt's LM for $30 but is heavily damaged, I think this is the one people were saying in Lolita General that it looked like it had been worn by a big guy to stretch out the elastic and then spunked in to get the stains:
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/l-1690-signs-of-use-elastic-stretched-out-stained-victorian-maiden-velvet-overdress-black

The beautiful 2002 suit set from >>9596950 is also on LM right now for cheap:
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/victorian-maiden-sailor-collar-frill-pink-suit
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-sailor-collar-frill-suit

>>9598135
I would applaud you. They'd definitely be less salty than if I overexposed my next CoF post to look like noseless Mana even though I secretly fucking love doing it and often do it to my own photos just for fun.

>>9598174
Olive skirt and bordeaux JSK of 2002 Velveteen Crown Trump's are both on Tokyo Alice:
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b03230/
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-crown-trump-skirt
(I have the skirt in black and it's so nice, looks good even without a petti)
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b03231/
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-crown-trump-jsk

As is the 2004 Rose Miranda black floral JSK:
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b01808/
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-rose-miranda-jsk

Finally, someone please save me from myself and buy this 2004 JSK. It's ¥5800 for a beautiful, versatile velveteen dress but it's fucking August and I have so many black velvet dresses already that I've put myself on a velveteen ban for non-wishlist pieces:
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/a81474/
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-ribbon-frill-jsk

>>9597377
Have you tried steaming it? Steaming alone might fix the floppy bows.

I have no specific experience of using spray starch on velvet, but I was surprised when I starched some OTKs that it seemed to leave any residue on black socks or lace. You might be able to proceed with caution.

Another solution might be to tack the bows into place with small stitches on each corner. If you do it right they shouldn't be visible and should cause less damage than pinning it would.

>>9598197
>it's fucking August
but anon, by the time you've ordered it, waited for it to arrive at your SS, waited up to 30 days seeing if there's anything you want to combine shipping with to save money, and then waited 1-3 weeks for international shipping to arrive, it'll be autumn anyway...

>>9596790
The girl(?) in the blonde wig just looks perfect to me. Girl in white reminds me of myself...wearing massive platform sandals and still slightly shorter than everyone else in the group.

Has anyone here gone out shiro/kuro twinning with a friend? I want it to become a thing again but I guess it'd double the amount of hassle you got from members of the public thinking you were performance art or something.

>>9596806
I love her expression, like she's trying not to laugh.

>>9596823
>>9596824
>>9596826
>>9596847
>>9596852
>>9596869
>>9596894
I don't know if its the Photoshop, the intense stare into the camera from a high angle, or because she's wearing lenses but this girl's eyes are cursed image level scary in some of these.

Also, I know things were different back in the day, but she seems to think those spike-heel stripper boots go with everything that would match white and I'm just not convinced.

>>9596907
Thanks for saving this, anon. Just the webpage layout by itself is already a blast from the past. I wonder what she's doing now, there aren't any updates but somebody must be paying the hosting fees to keep this site active.

>>9598573
nm I found it, the homepage has been deleted/deadlinks but if you Google her username lots of the other active pages comes up. She was primarily a cosplayer (I suspected as much from the lenses) and carried on cosplaying until at least 2008, married another cosplayer and had a kid it seems:
http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-tdl4.html

Last trace of her wearing lolita is July 2006, where there's pic related and
http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-mts2.html
>ロリィタ
>聖羅。せっかく当日着ていたのスタジオで撮影忘れたメイデンさんのティローズワンピ。ホテルで撮影しました。しかしゴスであのケーキ食べに行けばと反省。
>Lolita
>Seira. Maiden's Tea Rose dress you forget shooting in studio was wearing long-awaited day. I took it at the hotel. But I regret that I should go to goth to eat that cake.

>>9598580
Also this but those aren't her own clothes I think, just rented from a photo studio.

>ゴスロリ
>沙姫さん持参のお洋服可愛い。手作りなのかごのか聞き忘れ残念。似合ってました
>Gosurori
>Clothes brought by Saki-san is kawaii. I forgot to ask if you are handmade. It suits you

There's a kind of interesting segment on places where you can rent clothing for photoshoots where she tries on a bunch of victorian sorta dresses, but that's all:
http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-hensin.html

>>9596967
Bought the Innocent World OP! Not sure how much it usually goes for so I guess I can feel ok with what I spent on it.

>>9598614
I'm happy for you, anon!

>>9598616
Thanks! Thinking Ill take some detailed shots of it when it comes in and post them here

So im doing a big closet cleaning and i thought i should include them here too haha. I have a super old meta furry leopard print skirt that i posted her a few nonths back. I have a btssb red riding hood op and parasol plus some btssb old school shoes.
Just in case any one is interested before I post them.

I also have a wiz me over the rainbow set. Only mentioning since it was mentioned in the last thread

So I've had yet another unsuccessful trawl through different sites searching for a new pair of oldschool shoes, and couldn't find the style I wanted in my size. I thought I'd share the rejects here:

White Meta cross strap platforms, size S (22.5-23.0), 17000 yen:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e205788701

White enamel slightly pointed toe offbrand(? - I think they're just using Meta's tag) platforms with rose on buckle, size 22.0, 3888 yen:
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m64434381537/

Pink enamel Meta platforms, size S (22.5-23.0), 3000 yen (very old listing, might be a non-responsive seller):
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m76839851574/

Red crown embroidery Meta flatforms, size S, 1200 yen (very old listing, might be a non-responsive seller):https://item.mercari.com/jp/m65236197914/

Brown (and black and red) genuine leather chunky double strap Mary Janes, new, interesting design, 17,064 yen:
https://www.locondo.jp/shop/commodity/SCRS0047D/AS341BW11331

Black enamel Miho Matsuda x Kera Shop platform wedges, size M (23.5), 1500 yen:
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m37558998242/

Offbrand/AatP? black square toe platform Mary Janes (another old listing):
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m820934144/

Wow, you guys already close to image limit.....

>>9598761
Yeah, there's been a lot of dumping and not much discussion. Image limits on these small boards are too low anyway.

>>9598668
I'd be interested in the Red Riding Hood OP.

>>9598869
There is some damage so im willing to let it go for cheap. Drop me an email and i can send you pictures if you want

>>9597891
Most brands make them with the small embroidered logo on the side, and they usually pop up new second hand for like 1500 yen.

>>9599395
Ah really? I've never seen a white brand pair that plain, they usually have small details like scallops at the top. I did see Meta put out some similar ones a while back but even though the site called them knee-high they were obviously only calf-high when worn (and also ribbed like football socks, which I found really weird-looking).
https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/product/detail/11724

There's a plain Moitie pair on auctions right now that I was considering, but the seller wanted something crazy like 3000y bid 5000 BIN for them when they've always sold on the Western market for like $15 because that style's just not popular (according to Lolibrary they were only 1700y new ffs). Plus the Moitie ones are black and I already managed to find some plain black knee-highs and thigh-highs, it's white that's proving hardest to find in adult sizes and non-costume quality.

>>9598972
how cheap? i'm willing to be second in line if anon doesn't take it.

>>9598972
Why do I always come late, this has been my dream dress for so long. Congrats to the gull who gets it

>>9599429
Idk maybe like $30+shipping. I havent recieved an email from anyone yet so its open to whoever

>>9596141
Anyone know where can I buy a wig in this style?

>>9599445
Emailed!

>>9599449
Maple.

>>9598668
Is it the op with cape, or the coat op?

>>9598668
Which shoes?

>>9599453
Thanks

I was searching for stock images and stumbled across this blog, this girl has shoe problems I can definitely relate to...

http://yaplog.jp/enamel1349/monthly/200706/1

>baby,the stars shine bright
>バラコサージュ付きウッドソールシューズ

>やっと修理に出せました
>パパありがとう

>スナップ全箇所(計6回)破損した問題児
>サイズも大きいしクロスストラップがぷちぷち外れて歩き辛いし。。
>それなのに、これがいないとコーデが完成しないという恐ろしい子

>一日立っていても平気なのは、この靴ともう1足(アンテナ)しか持っていません
>(姿勢がおかしいのか、時が経つにつれて足の痛みがひどくなってゆくorz)
>手間は掛かるけど、その分愛着もひとしお
>思い出も沢山あるしね。。。
>ずっと大切にします

>白と赤も欲しかったー!(´Д｀;)

---

>Baby, the stars shine bright
>Wood sole shoes with rose corsage

>Finally I got to repair
>Thank you Daddy

>Snap all parts (6 times in total) broken problem children
>It's hard to walk because the size is big and the cross last is off the beach ..
>To do that, if this is not present, Corde is not completed and a horrible child

>I do not have it with this pair of shoes (antenna) even if I stand for a day
>(Orz is getting wrong with the posture, the time is inscribed and foot pain gets worse)
>It takes time and labor but I also love you
>I have many memories too ...
>I will cherish it forever

>I wanted white and red too! ('Д `;)

This bitch's shoes broke six fucking times and fucked up her feet and she still wants them in two other colours.

>>9598573
>this girl's eyes are cursed image level scary in some of these
I kind of like the evil doll look so I'd actually like to be able to pull this off, but all photos taken from a low angle make me look manly as hell. Gotta use Mana posing to stay kawaii.

>>9598141
Why do so few VM things have shirring? I love the styles but can't buy them

>>9598233
*seemed not to leave any residue, typo

>>9598426
Don't tempt me, anon.

>>9599549
What size are you? Some of these go fairly large even without shirring.

>>9599552
actually I take that back, just checked them all again and nothing is fairly large even by oldschool standards (100cm bust Meta etc). About half of it is 88-92cm bust, which is average for both oldschool and modern lolita, but the other half is 80-85 with a lot of 82cm stuff. Still, it's not all 82cm like a lot of people think.

Not sure if this should go here, but I can't find this dress anywhere and it looks like older style Meta. Can anyone provide me a name? I've scoured lolibrary and hellolace via the archives to no avail.

I just ordered it off WW, so no help there

>>9598034
>>9597057
>>9596824
>>9596823
>>9596806
Pics like these always make me wish I had antique furniture to pose on/around. Sat-down posing is also interesting and makes a change from always seeing the same straight-on coord shots and snaps.

>>9599611
Looks like older Meta to me as well t b h

>>9599611
Looks like an older lucky pack jsk.

>>9599659

NAYRT, but I was leaning towards a LP item too, >>9599611

>>9596839
>>9598070
This coat and capelet's just gone up on auctions too:
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e212701341

>>9598233
im going to steam it after i get it dry cleaned, if that doesnt work ill probably try to tack the bows in place with small stitches. ill come back here to update with the results if i decide to starch as well,

>>9599449
Direct link:

http://www.maple-wig.com/fas/shopping/goods_color.php

>>9599891
Oops here's the correct link:

http://www.maple-wig.com/fas/shopping/goods_detail.php?gid=646

Found this
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p561531643
Think it's https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-pleated-wrap-skirt-130513 but missing the bow

>>9599527
fashion is suffering

Can't believe I managed to snag this off WW for ￥7900

>>9600127
Were you one of the anons that had it on their wish list? Super jealous.

>>9600129
I was! Old school shirring OPs are my heart

>>9598135
Do it. Definitely disguise the wobbly lines you cut around the image by adding a glow effect too.

>>9597307
>design is identical and gobelin is the same but colour looks different, might just be lighting/age
It looks like it's just super yellowed, I can't find any other photos so I'm not sure if VM's stock photos were inaccurate or it's just disgustingly stained by being stored in a smoker's house or something.

>>9600127
Congrats, anon, it's really cute!

>>9600130
Its my dream dress and I was so angry when I saw it sold out. All of days when I was travelling on plane... at least another gull got it.

Speaking of old VM and MM, the 2003 Minerva OP is up on Tokyo Alice new with tags in black, and FJ still have their Rakuten discount going on right now. I fucking love those nun-like button cuffs.
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b03212/
https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-minerva-op

I'd get it myself but it's too small for me, I want the 88cm bust 2006 re-release as the 84cm bust 2003 original won't fit me (I could get into it with shapewear but it's the sort of simple dress that I'd use daily, so I don't want to be uncomfortable while wearing it).
https://lolibrary.org/items/mary-magdalene-minerva-op-2006

I snagged this 2006 angelic pretty "JSK with ribbon bolero" from rakuten! It is that signature old school full rose color that defies definition. The lace is also more of a classic beige so I am planning on purchasing some new items to match or tea dye some white things. The ribbon on the bolero is removable: it can slide on and off a little strip of fabric that fastens with a clear button. It is quite large with some back shirring. The tag is sewn on the front inside layer which was surprising. It's a really cute and elegant set.

This hobby is so addicting.

>>9599465
>>9599478
Hey guys >>9598668 here with pictures of what i have. Shoes are size LL everything is in pretty good condition minus a missing button and missing one neck tie in the OP

>>9600352
That Meta skirt is AMAZING. Where are you located and how much are you asking?

>>9600318
That's so cute! What an awesome find!

>>9600352
Ah sorry, I'm not interested in the Heart Buckle shoes. Hope you find another buyer!

>>9600318
I fucking love tiered designs and dresses that come with matching capes and boleros, I hope you enjoy your purchase anon!

>>9599891
>>9599893
Thanks anon!
Do you need an SS to buy from them btw?

>>9600424
yes they do not ship oversea

>>9600352
I'd love to take the Heart Buckle Shoes but I'm a M size, they'll be huge on me.
How does the parasol fold? I want everything from that collection but I doubt it'd be shippable to South America.

>>9600127
im so pissed i missed it. i tried to get it with an SS cause WWs packages always get hit with customs in my area.
>guess ill fuggin die

>>9600818
Anon, the dress was only 7900 yen. How could custom fees be that much for you to risk going through a SS for a dress that rarely comes up?

>>9600818
Anon, just use Tenso. I'm in Europe and when FJ changed their fee structure I switched to using my Tenso address for Wunderwelt parcels and I've never been happier. I can buy straight away using my own account which means I get points on the site, use their coupons, and mark down the package to whatever I want once Tenso have it.

Do you guys see the pink with pink lace karami head bow/headdress often? Or other similar Baby pink with pink lace ones?

>>9601404
I've never seen a pink one with pink lace, was that ever even released? I don't look at non-oldschool stuff much so I don't know. I see a lot of pinkxwhite though. Cameron katushya is much easier to find than karami because it had a bunch of recent releases.

>>9601443
It has white lace about half the time.

>>9601520
I know there's a pinkxpink karami but I didn't know there were matching accessories because I've never seen them for sale.

>>9600897
You're not from Europe aren't you? Let me tell ya, anon has all the reasons. Customs are the absolute fucking worst around here. I live in the Netherlands and it's a living HELL. They overcharge you like crazy for EVERYTHING coming out of the EU if it's not under 20€ (and even then sometimes they will charge you just because you get a fee for them opening the package/filing a document) and marked as gift or somethinf like that. I got charged 23€ for a package marked down to 25€. It was initially 80 or something, imagine the pain if it wasnt marked down.
Fuck these cunts.I'm super salty because of that shit I get anxious everytime I order something.

>>9601552
Also customs here are kinda like russian roulette. Sometimes you can be a lucky bastard and sometimes not. It's suffering

>>9601552
Like the other anon said, why not use Tenso instead of waiting for an SS to bid? I can see how it's risky if your customs frequently open packages though, since Tenso don't discard original documents and invoices that have the real, non-marked-down value on them. It works well to the UK because our customs charge a lot of fees but rarely open mail unless they think it's suspicious (in five years of heavy online ordering, often multiple large packages a month for the past two years, I've never had them open a parcel to try to work out the real value, although I've heard horror stories of it happening).

>>9601525
People probably keep them to use with other pink stuff.

>>9601556
I didnt know that. Thanks anon, much appreciated. I can't believe I never knew about this in my 5 years of being in the fashion

>>9601607
I put off using it for way too long myself, I only got an account when I was forced to because I wanted to buy a new AP release, and I carried on using FromJapan exclusively for a year until I realised how much money Tenso saved on some purchases. Especially now FJ have reviewed their policies so they behave more like a forwarding service than an SS half the time anyway, Tenso is super useful for sites like Wunderwelt and CC it's easy to order from yourself. For sites that require emailing in orders or anything complicated (Maidenclothing, some small brands without a cart system) I'll usually use an SS anyway, even if they allow Tenso addresses or ship international, since it's not worth the hassle to me.

They also let you ship to whatever address you want, unlike FJ which force you to ship to whichever you paid for the auction with on PayPal (a massive pain in the ass if you spend time at two addresses or are about to move).

>>9601552
I live in Canada so I'm used to customs. But even if other anon got charged 100% of the cost of the dress in customs fees that's still really cheap... Maybe it's just me but if I see a dream dress up for sale that doesn't show up very often I don't hesitate to buy it. Seems like a silly risk to use a SS to save at most 75 euro on a rare piece (and really when you count in SS fees you're saving less than that)

a bunch of stuff I either just got or is on its way ~~

could anybody help with id'ing some of it? I can't find anything. All of it is baby except for the MAM blouse.

>>9601787
how do you have stock photos for a skirt you can't ID, did you double-check if the people you bought these off had included lolibrary links?

>>9602059
It's very likely they were bought on the second hand japanese market. Items will often have generic names like "Baby skirt" but include stock photos in the listing.

>>9602060
I've very rarely see Japanese sellers include stock photos for a second-hand item unless it was released recently.

>>9601787
>skirt
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-hem-scallop-skirt-2003
>headbow looks more like the 2006 if it really does have slightly more pointed lace like it looks in the pics, but it's similar enough that they could have identical lace photographed slightly differently and yours could be from either year
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-trump-lace-head-bow-2007
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-trump-lace-head-bow-2006

(It literally took me about 30 seconds to find those, have you never used Lolibrary before or something?)

Bottom right is some variation on the Lace Frill JSK that's either not on lolibrary or not named as such. I'd guess 2004-2008, could guess more with detailed pictures of lace and care tag.

CBA looking it up myself but the Wayback Machine has MAM's blouses saved pretty well and I've seen the one you posted on there while I was looking up one of my own.

>>9601787
Pretty sure the blouse is Maxicimam, with probably a name like "crown embroidery blouse", but cannot find any exact info.

The skirt in the top row is the Scallop Hem Skirt by Baby, judging from the stock picture the 2003 release.
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-scallop-hem-skirt

The top row cutsew appears to be the cap sleeve T-shirt.
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-baby-cap-sleeve-t-shirt

For the bottom row cutsew I don't have an exact match, however this lolibrary listing looks close, except for the collar. Looks like those sleeves are detachable! I'm betting it is some sort of earlier release of this item.
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-square-yoke-cutsew

The headbow is the trump lace headbow, which had many releases as well.
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-trump-lace-head-bow-2007

The bear bolero (?) I could not find anything on, I'm sorry.

Also I couldn't find anything on the JSK. The top part looks like a frill or pintuck JSK, but the skirt part doesn't match up.

But your haul is super cute, congrats!

>>9601787
>tfw you adore old school pieces but aren't too hot on oldschool styling
I'm destined to be an ita mess, aren't I?

Adore the haul, anyway. That jsk and hoodie are lovely!

>>9600127
Congrats, Anon!!

>>9602234
What do you struggle to grasp about oldschool styling? I think people sometimes think it's harder than it is because many of the efamous oldschool lolitas are interested in pushing the envelope with risky coords, but at its core oldschool styling is mostly incredibly formulaic, esp. for sweet, and you don't actually have to artfully mismatch anything or figure out when black shoes with a light-coloured coord looks good and when it just looks weird. As long as your items are all old you can go simple and match everything to the lace on the dress.

Say you have a pinkxwhite JSK. You wear a white blouse, a white or pinkxwhite headbow, white socks, and white shoes (or one of the rare pairs of period-appropriate pink shoes, like Heart Buckle shoes), and maybe a necklace. Or you can use black shoes and a black bag for earlier styling. The exact same applies to redxwhite, saxxwhite and so forth.

>>9602192
>>9602198
Thanks for the help!

Also I tried using lolibrary, but no matter what i searched or did the items were always unrelated to what i searched? Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Also just picked up this coat off wunderwelt's lacemarket ~ does anybody know what it is? Also, I'm no good with materials but does it look like pilling on wool or is that fleece?

tia!

>>9602558
Sometimes you just have to comb through all the entries for a category to see if it comes up. Search "Baby coat" on lolibrary and then look through all seventeen pages - if you still can't find it get back to us, it's easier for anons to search if we know where you've already looked. It seems like fleece to me but you might as well wait until it arrives to find out for sure. If it was pilling Wunderwelt should have mentioned it in the description.

Some items have generic names but a lot of items on lolibrary are tagged or named according to their features, so if you search those features they'll come up. I found that skirt in 30 seconds by searching "baby scallop skirt" - it was on the first page. I knew that brands often call card suit motifs "trump" in their names, so I searched "trump head bow" and again, that headbow came up immediately. Likewise, in my (fruitless) search for the bear ear bolero I tried variations on "bear" + "parka"/"cutsew"/"hood"/"bolero", then put the same words into Google translate to get Japanese to search to see if I could find it on any shop blogs.

Lace Frill I just knew by sight.

>>9602558
Also, you can search by colour, material or suspected year of release, although you may miss stuff that way because entries can be incomplete. If a lolibrary entry was made with data from a shop on the Wayback Machine they'll usually have info on all the colourways, but when it was put together through only seeing an item in a scan, the only colourway they're sure exist may be the one pictured, so other colours may exist but not have been named in the entry. Or a lot of brands have released stuff in different materials at different times (or the same time), so you might not be able to find an exact, say, velveteen piece but may find a piece with an identical design that was released in cotton and is probably from the same period.

It's harder to search without the advanced search back the way it was, but the search box has some advantages (like catching similar spellings and misspellings of keywords).

>>9602568
>>9602576
I wonder if i am doing something wrong then? If i search "baby coat" probably only 40-60% of the results are actually coats

>>9602585
It puts items with both of your keywords first, then after that it'll list things that match either one of them, which is why you're getting things with the keyword Baby in them that are not coats. The entire first few pages of results for me are still coats.

Also, you can use quotes to outline a specific phrase, but in this case that wouldn't help. It's really useful for items with generic names that you remember exactly, or when the similar results algorithm is throwing up things you don't want (e.g. if you search 'velvet' it'll also come up with listings saying 'velveteen', which is usually useful, but if you remember that the specific piece you were looking for was called velvet only you can put '"velvet"' and it won't give you the extra results). You can't use Boolean operators in the search field though, as far as I can tell. And searching every item released that year/whatever isn't back up yet but you can still find a lot of yearly results by just putting the year in the search field, e.g. "angelic pretty jsk 2003". This is useful if you've seen an item in a scan that you roughly know the date of (if you go to fujisan.jp's Gothic & Lolita Bible listings they tell you the exact date of release of past issues).

did one of you guys snag this off mercari?
I put in my order on the off chance I could get it, but it was gone soo fast

>>9602743
The dress was up all day... I wish I could have got it, but I don't know of any SS that's up late/early enough to grab things before the western SS orders hit for the day.

>>9602758
yeah I put in my order this morning and was watching it all day.. A Japanese person probably got it unless some SS was super fast.

>>9602758
What SS are even open on the weekend?

>>9602769
Japonica is

>>9602743
I saw this one too and was thinking of snagging it but damn it, I should have been faster.
Do we know which year this dress is or the name of it? I couldn't find anything on Lolibrary that matched.

>>9602786
I looked through the 2002 2003 glb but couldn't find it, maybe i didn't look hard enough
I can be seen in the pink version here

>>9602802
and here

Hey guls, what make up is to wear with old school gothic?

>>9603056
Look through some scans yourself and discover it through the magical power of observation.

>>9603056
If you check the archive, the thread before this one had a bunch of make up scans.

For the anons who were asking about good-quality plain socks upthread, I bought some black "knee socks" from Uniqlo thinking that'd be a good bet but maybe I'm just short but they're way too long on me. They're definitely OTKs on me at 5'4" so I guess what they have marked as OTKs must be thigh-high unless you're tall. They stay up well and the quality's fine but they still have that tiny bit of shininess a lot of offbrand black socks do from having lycra or whatever in the blend instead of just cotton.

Anyone here have experience heat-styling their hair (or even a wig) for ringlet curls? What barrel width do you use? I bought a 25mm barrel curler and it seems maybe slightly too big, but the next step down from most brands is 10mm, which seems way too small. I can at least use a wider curler for other hairstyles but a too-narrow one is kind of useless to me.

>>9602310
Nah, that stuff I get and love (that's honestly how I coord my more modern stuff when I'm feeling lazy anyway). I just have very modern tastes in a lot of ways, like preferring chiffon blouses over cotton, not loving most old-school hair styles, sometimes enjoying more modern ways of coording. I just really love a lot of oldschool main pieces, too.

tl;dr I like oldschool dresses and don't want to dress like it's 1999

>>9604243
I don't see any issue with that; I have a lot of oldschool pieces that I style very modern and it's pretty cool because my coords will look oldschool at first glance, but if you pay attention to more detail then they will have a more modern feel. However, I wear Gothic so I feel like this it's easier to pull off in that sense.

If you want to look more oldschool with your oldschool, then I suggest maybe trying to style more like the 2005-2007 transitional period or just finding some really nice pieces that are an exception to what you usually wouldn't like, like a very silky cotton blouse or an updated version of a rectangular headdress, like pic related.

>>9604243
That's fine though, as long as you don't tag it as oldschool. I'm committed to that 2002 aesthetic and obsessed with getting every detail accurate (my jimmies are seriously rustled by seeing people post "oldschool" coords that are anything but), but I'll also wear pieces in more modern coords. I'd just say it's oldschool-inspired or whatever. I actually really like what Misako called "traditional lolita", where they're using those same sorts of colour schemes and main pieces they've been re-releasing for years, but have used more modern shoes, bags, blouses, make-up and hairstyling with it. KERA have also done a few spreads of this "standard" lolita style, like this 2014 one that's often mistakenly tagged as oldschool:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/16/98/58/1698584e39ee3374dfed332f8982daca.jpg

https://youtu.be/E0izDSIrrus?t=51s
(the one in the video is pretty close to just being oldschool unless you want to get anal about the release years and colour of the hair accessories, but she's used the term a few times for less period-accurate oldschool stuff, and often wears outfits with things like the Dessert OP combined with a modern MILK heart bag and shoes)

If it looks good, why not? A dress having an old design doesn't mean you can't do modern things with it.

Another thing you can do if you want to do authentic oldschool is just pick out all of the things you *do* like from old snaps. There are ways to wear oldschool with chiffon blouses, no ringlets, no peter pan collars, no lace-top socks, no bloomers and no chunky shoes if that's your thing, as long as you get the details of those pieces right. A lot of the things people make out are essentials were just common, not ubiquitous - Moitie have been releasing chiffon blouses since forever, for example. The downside is that noobs won't read it as oldschool and might try to school you on how to "improve" your coord.

>>9604248
>>9604282
Thanks! There are some old school cords (particularly gothic) that I would just lift and wear, and others I would just edit to fit my style more. I really like the "traditional lolita" suggestion, and I certainly won't tag anything as old school if it's not!

>>9596964
I wonder why fishnets never really became a thing with Western lolitas? They've made a small comeback in Japan and China but haven't seen anyone on CoF wearing them.

>>9604379
Probably the same reason black x white gets a bad rap. It tends to be an ita staple.

>>9604379
i wear fishnets with oldschool, although they give my coords an instant ero/fetish vibe because of my body type and face. i really love the contrast when they're paired with grandma's floral curtain type fabrics!

>>9604379
I think western lolitas aren't aware of how to shop for fishnets. Smaller netting or even micronet can stay away from ero, while adding a bigger edge. Too often itas just grab stringer nets and it strays into hooker territory

>>9604461
Bit of, not bigger*

>>9604461
Would you care to share some examples of what you'd mean? I'd like to see the nicer quality fishnets for reference.

I recently got an old-school tie from Meta and now I am looking for oldschool coords with ties, do you gulls have any examples for me?

>>9604484
We've had several fishnet dumps on cgl recently including brand scans of VM and Moitie using narrow-gauge fishnets. Search the archives and it'll come up, it's been in a few different threads. There were quite a few in G&LB 8.

>>9604496
Thread's at image limit but, BtSSB and Maxicimam did this a bunch, if you look through G&LB scans there are quite a few in the first ten issues.

>>9604379
I've seen them quite a few times, maybe you just missed them. They seem to be popular, although controversial, since they became a mainstream and larme trend.

>>9604484
I would, but the thread is at image limit

>>9604379
western here, every time i wear fishnets on CoF i get posted to the ita threads. its just too experimental for their delicate sensibilities

>>9604496
The camo tie? Because if so hey gurl

I just got that bxw eyelet lace heart apron that was posted last thread, and wow it is not cute on me. I'm super bummed.

>>9606841
I'm sure someone here would take it.

>>9606863
Yeah I'm trying to decide if I should put it on lace market or keep it and see if I can make it work. It wasn't expensive, but there's no point just keeping it.

They're worse than you might guess if you're kinda busty and kinda chubby.

Anons, I need your help. I found this dress for sale on eBay for an absolute steal but I just can't ID the dress. Pictures below. The seller says it's Metamorphose and while it looks like genuine brand, I've trawled through Lolibrary and can't find it on there.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/U-AAAOSw~iRZoKUQ/s-l500.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/v3UAAOSwPydZoKeq/s-l500.jpg

Any help would be much appreciated!

>>9611142
it's metamorphose 2007 lucky pack op

I just bought a blackxwhite one on friday

>>9611142
Just so you know, I couldn't find it on lolibrary either, but if you google search metamorphose 2007 lucky pack op there are a few others from people's egl wardrobe posts/blog posts floating around. that's how I figured out what it is

>>9611144
>>9611145
Thanks a bunch!

Does anyone have scans and coords of Mukuro and other defunct brands?

Does anyone have scans and coords of Mukuro and other defunct brands?

>>9604379
For many western lolitas fishnets collide with the modesty aspect of the fashion. It would appear that rules trump experimentation.

>>9611465
It's not experimentation, lolitas have worn them ever since gothic and punk lolita became a thing, maybe even before

Where can I get oldschool ringlet wigs like OP?

>>9611469
second this question, i want to buy one

>>9611469
>>9611512
It was posted earlier in the thread here >>9599893

>>9611517
Thanks!

Someone make a new thread plz, can't be bothered lol.

>>9596938
I love it. Especially with the weird lighting and slight Gaussian effect to the photos of the models. It sorta looks like they are in the anime version of a hammer horror film.

>>9598069
Me too. I always liked the more grown up looking victorian classic stuff like VM ITT and the stuff JetJ was putting out at around this time... It looked like a more youthful and low makeup version of victorian or period goth, kinda. I moved out of lolita and back to western goth when it abandoned that aesthetic.

>>9611469
>>9611512
Dreamholic have also started stocking a pretty cute one https://world.taobao.com/item/546427788841.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-11967549831.38.lwRCs8

Hey old school anons theres the Hawase Doll set up right now if youre ready to make your Momoko dreams come true.

http://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/k269252243

Who got this Moitie skirt? I've wanted it for ages but was holding off on spending until I saw what the damage from DMC was, and it sold.
(auctions link because their own store page for it has 404'd)
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j446766503

I couldn't tell from CC's shitty pics if that was real lace or a screenprint, but if it was a screenprint I think it might have been this:
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-rose-design-print-skirt

>https://item.mercari.com/jp/m44957506903/
I want this so bad but it wouldn't fit my bust if I tried.
black velveteen Baby op, with bodice lace reminiscent of Isabel OP.
does someone know the year on this?

What's the consensus on modern headdresses with oldschool? This AatP one is tempting me by its wideness and amount of lace, but I feel like the shape and bows especially make it look obviously like a modern design, even though it's not got tulle lace or anything.

http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154072509001
https://lolibrary.org/items/aatp-luna-maria-headdress

(if anyone else wants it don't feel bad for sniping it, I have way too many black headdresses anyway)

>>9615492
It look fine for oldschool for me

>>9615492
A few people might clock it as not authentic oldschool (unless you remove the bows), but most people won't care since it fits the look well enough. It's like how Ophelia always used to wear that 2012 IW bonnet:
https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-tuck-frill-bonnet

>>9615492
Imo this can definitely work for oldschool!

>>9614796
They're like 2 or 3 currently available floating around mercari or frill

>>9615047
Was eyeing this a while back, couldn't identify it, what would you say the bust/waist size is? The length is probly 87-89

>>9616764
Any chance of a white hawase doll set? that colourway always escapes me!

>>9615970
That bonnet is so good with oldschool, Ophelia made it work.

>>9616970
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m50995469708/

>>9617087
If you get that anon, I'll buy the cutout/eyelet lace headbow if you stick it on LM for a reasonable price (it's not like it matches Hawase doll anyway but I have the matching blouse and petticoat for that).