/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm going to post some coords some of which are from real lolitas but are too costumey for normal lolita
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Please feel free to post costume lolita coords you like too!
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>>9593612
This isn't even a Lolita cosplay. It's just a cosplay. Nothing original

>>9593612
There's nothing lolita about this. This is just cosplay.

>>9593601
That's supposed to be Misa Amane, right?

>>9593646
I thought it was Kobato from Haganai

>>9593598
Can you stop trying to make bait threads? It's already been established that no one actually cares about meet/conlitas except for two or three anons, since meet/conlitas are just normal lolitas anyways.

What is an "otalita"?

>>9593705
otome lolita I'm guessing.

>>9593705
Otaku lolita. The lolita side of otahime, I guess.

>>9593598
I have no clue what you mean by might become real Lolita in the future. I don't get to wear my Lolita during work so meet ups and cons are a great place for me to wear them. Just because I wear my stuff to meets and cons means I'm not a real Lolita WTF.... who cares where ppl wear the fashion, just wear the damn thing anyway you can.

>>9593598
I actually think this is a nice thread to have around. I don't think there's anything particularly baity about discussing these.
I actually think some coslitas/weeblitas/otalitas and such are cute with their overboard chii tier frilly dresses and eccentric tulle and lace skirts, and I'm a lolita who dresses every day. This type of stuff is something I couldn't pull off well (I don't have the confidence or necessary interest) so it's fun to see people doing something I don't see normally done. And having fun while they're at it!
Me? I never got the chance to be a proper weeblita. I always used to aspire to that kind of aesthteic because I thought it cute, but only started wearing actual lolita at an older more independent age. So that's why I look upon weeblitas with warmth and nostalgia in my heart. I think people are too harsh on little weebs trying out a style and calling it lolita just because they might be unaware of this "comm" or its "rules".
Pic is a reference to an example of the look a lot of weeblitas aspire to but don't quite achieve. Which is kinda adorable if you think about it, reminds me of my weeb age when I dreamed of a house-sized closet with all types of frilly goodness I'd seen anime heroines wear.

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It is literally a cosplay of Misa anons... She wore this oldschoolish lolita look two times in anime

>>9581111
this thread isn't dead yet.

>>9593765
Yeah but this thread is different in nature, more about discussion rather than complaining. And far more interesting since OP asked some questions regarding con-/cos-/weeb-/otalitas. I think the start of this thread is more conversation-provoking.

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It's the Japanese word for weeblita

>>9593734
Thank you. I never intended this to be bait-y, I just look at them and think they are so innocent and don't deserve all the hate and hostility. I love seeing people have fun with lolita/lolita inspired clothes regardless of how they look but I posted coords that I genuinely like.

>>9593598
What would the term be for lolitas with a chronic/ongoing illness or disability that limits their social activities such as the real-world social gatherings?
I have a physical disability and an ongoing-health condition that limits my ability to take part in stuff like comm meets, and I never know how to explain it. I almost wish there was a word similar to "meetlita" or "conlita" for it.
Disabililolis? Maybe?

>>9594047
Lonelita

>>9594047
Spoonlita maybe to play off of the phrase "spoonies"? Although I guess it might not make a lot of sense to people not familiar with the spoon theory.

>>9594047
"I'm here, I'm ill, I'll wave at you guys from my bedroom window as you walk past"-ita

>>9594049
Ermagherd, I collect little silver spoons too so that works so well!
Thank you <3

>>9594047
You think it's easier to use a word for a minority of a minority of a niche fashion nobody knows instead of saying you're disabled? I don't think OP is baiting, but you are.

>>9594047
...why would you need a specific word for this? it's such a specific scenario and no1curr.

>t. another sick lolita

>>9594047
If you give a name to this sort of thing, it will be memed and weaponized to the point that no one will use it except to insult or accuse others. Just say it the way you did in your post, that your involvement is affected by a physical disability.

>>9594047
Damn, newfag. Don't get so personal on 4chins, as soon as you say "I feel" you're just setting yourself up for failure.

>>9594047
As soon as you say you're disabled people are going to be triggered and the conversation is going to get awkward. Just don't talk about it.

>>9594057
Please no

>>9593603
that's one of my dream dresses I can just never find it in good condition ;-;

>>9594047
Sick lolita here, don't need a word for it.

My good friends in my comm know what's up, though not in a great deal of detail. Have been at meets and thrown up, gotten intention tremors while holding teapots (FML) or had little paralytic episodes here and there. It's not exactly easy to hide, so I imagine when I say "I can't today" everyone gets it.

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Why are there so many "invisible illness" spoonhag pseudo-sick lolitas? It seems like it's either "hurr we do us" facial piercing pothead lolitas that drink and swear but claim they're lifestyle because they actually wear the clothes or frail little conveniently chronically ill lifestyle luvlies that never wear the clothes.

>>9594158
This is poor quality bait

>>9594158
so how mad are you about the concept of a pothead lolita with chronic illness that drinks and swears

>>9594158
because having invisible illnesses is the new way to gain oppression points and now everybody is claiming that they're ill. it makes those who are actually sick look bad.

people like >>9594047 have convinced me that most who never shut up about their ~invisible illnesses~ aren't actually ill and just want something to be wrong with them. kind of like all of the stupid people who think that they can self-diagnose their mental illnesses. to make it even worse, they might think it's cute to be frail (as if it adds to their lifestyle image or whatever) when the reality of being physically incapable of doing shit that normal people can do is awful and not kawaii at all. i fucking hate spoonies. it's likely that none of them know actual pain.

sage for angry spoonlita blogpost.

>>9594170
And what ~*invisible illness*~ do you have that you're this triggered-jealous of other anons mentioning they're ill?

>>9594172
i'm not ~invisibly ill~. i had cancer and managed to not be an annoying twat about it.

>>9594170
While I agree with all of your points, I didn't get the impression that the post you quoted was made by someone who wants to be sick but isn't. They cite physical disability, and it seems like it's a recent change in their life that they're still trying to balance socially. Hence their urge to find ways to make the conversation easier.

>>9594173
What kind?

>>9594173
If you survived you really didn't suffer that badly.

>>9594176
i don't want to derail the thread any further but fuck it. breast cancer that spread to my lymph nodes and my lungs. i went through chemo but my lungs are eternally fucked.

>>9594177
edgy

>>9594181
And this makes you better than someone how?
You're defending the position of Sickest Little Girl like a guard dog meanwhile claiming other people don't deserve sympathy as much as you.

>>9594188
no? i'm saying that i don't like it when people fake illnesses for asspats. unless you're faking your illness, you shouldn't be so offended.

looks like i triggered the spoonies.

>>9594190
Edgy response from someone avoiding answering a question.
I'm guessing you have daddy/mommy issues, anon? Are you looking for a reason to be considered more special than all the other girls?

>>9594197
>t. invisible illness-chan
go count your silver spoon collection or something

>>9594198
Keep avoiding your hypocrisy, you'll be the prettiest someday.

>>9594201
whatever you say, spoonie.

You definitely didn't learn any empathy from your experiences, did you?
There's about three different sick people posting in this thread so far and you've immediately assumed all of them, except you, are faking their illnesses, and based on what? Their evidence is as flimsy as yours is.

If you legitimately can't scrape together enough feelings to try and see that other ill people, other than you, might be posting here then fine, whatever.

>>9594047
Don't. Those with legitimate disabilities, including the invisible kinds, are already receiving enough backlash with the current trend to go munchie. Rather than turning the disability into a fashion statement or some trendy accessory, let's keep the two separate. >>9594069 is right, and I'd rather not encourage it.


>>9594071
That sounds like their problem. A person can mention it without dominating the conversation and if someone is uncomfortable by meeting someone who is disabled they may want to take the special snowflake princess wand out of their ass and move on. If the person brings it up in context and acts like an adult then they should get over it and act like one as well. Acting like a snowflakey spoony or a munchie is one thing, and a legitimate reason for anyone to feel uncomfortable.

>>9594158
Okay, I'll take the bait.

Theoretically it could be for those with legitimate invisible illnesses tend to be limited in their interactions with the world. More girls are likely to be exposed to and inspired to participate in Lolita the more they are on the internet where special interest communities thrive. For some it may also be a way to be comfortable with their body, when often it may feel like a source of betrayal.

Source: disabled Lolita.

>>9594208
>being this offended
you're not making your point any more valid, only making yourself look stupid

ITT: DISABLED LOLITA SHOWDOWN!! WHEELCHAIR JOUSTING!! OPPRESSION OLYMPICS!!

Too subtle? Knock it the fuck off you two, no1curr and you're both obnoxious af.

>>9594208
This isn't Tumblr. If you want to complain about your feelings and your nonexistent illnesses, go there.

>>9594221
>throws in that one last insult before exiting the thread

>>9594210
Oh thank god, there's at least one rational person ITT.

>>9594217
>WHEELCHAIR JOUSTING!!
I giggled.

Why can't lolitas get along? What's the problem here? Is it really as simple as anons above implied, that we get jealous of each other or step into each other's special spaces?

To be a little less general, why does it matter who's sick and who's not sick? Why can't we have multiple sick people? Two people being sick don't have to compete, why can't they get along without competing? You'd think they'd like each other more or want to be penpals to share experiences or something because honestly, they're pretty similar.

Polite sage for Pollyanna, I just cry a little when people fight.

I wear the fashion out with friends on the rare occasion that the stars and our schedules align. It's too much for daily wear as much as I love it. I live in my work uniform and PJs or super comfy casual clothes.

I make meets when I can get away from work (I get one weekend off a month, that's it). And I wear it to cons.

It's just sort of whatever. I don't get what /cgl/'s fixation on this is. It's probably all stemming from the fact that taobao is half decent, newbs can't find shit on bodyline, and brand isn't as coveted and is easy to obtain now. So now the ego stroking comes from how much you wear the fashion everyday as how "real lolita" you are.

Real world don't work like that. You are in a fortunate and blessed situation if you can wear it daily, or you are a student (and usually with less money to invest in a good awesome wardrobe).

>>9593612
I'd pay top money for a chobits collab with any lolita brand.

>>9594247
This is my first post in this discussion and I agree with your Pollyanna sentiment, but I don't think it's necessarily about jealousy. There's this one girl in my comm who literally only ever talks about her fibromyalgia, relates every single conversation regardless of subject back to her fibromyalgia, tags comm pictures with #fibromyalgia #fibrowarrior #invisibleillness #sickgirl etc. x30 just because she's in them, talks over everyone else especially if they try to sympathise with her, and is in general just really annoying to be around. There are some other girls in the comm with illnesses, some invisible and some not, who dislike her not because of jealousy but because she's so annoying and makes all of them look bad by association. A lot of people think she's faking or at least exaggerating but there's no way to prove or disprove anything. I think lolita attracts a lot of these types of attention-starved people that get on people's nerves without it having anything to do with jealousy.

Why are y'all talking about sick people instead of discussing what this thread is actually for?

I'm a lonelita and I don't understand why people hate conlitas, possibly because I've never met them irl. I don't consider them real lolitas but I don't see how that's a bad thing. Anyway, I actually think this thread can be good inspiration for Halloween.

I wish someone would dress up as Mis>>9594402

I wish someone would dress up as Misako or Novala for Halloween
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If someone cosplayed a brand mascot that would also be super cool
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If you don't consider them """true""" lolitas you're just as bad and elitist as the people you're complaining about

>>9594418
Why? I don't consider myself a cosplayer if I wear a costume once a year for Halloween, they shouldn't consider themselves a lolita because they did a lolita inspired cosplay.

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Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit hard to believe a lot of meetlitas exist? If they can wear lolita to a meet-up, what is keeping them from wearing it on a day off they want to wear it but there is no meet-up?

>>9594428
Lack of self confidence, fear of judgment when they're alone, the belief that it's "too much effort", etc. The majority of my comm is meetlitas, some of them only dress up for special events when they know they have photo opportunities, and unfortunately most of them are also itas.

>>9593602
>I'm going to post some coords some of which are from real lolitas but are too costumey for normal lolita
how is this too costumey for normal lolita?

>>9594439
The coord you are replying to is not someone wearing lolita fashion as herself, but as Hermione. It's not uncommon for cosplayers to do a different version of a character, sexy version is probably the most common. I don't know if she's a cosplayer normally but she's obviously dressing up as a character. Lolitas pretty much only do this for Halloween.

>>9594439
It's Harry Potter themed.

>>9594428
Like >>9594437 the majority of my comm consists of "meetlitas" though fortunately most of them dress okay. They're usually too insecure to wear lolita out by themselves and will only do it if they know they'll be surrounded by other lolitas. Some of them even show up to the meeting place in jeans and then get changed in a bathroom, not because they feel unsafe but because they get embarrassed when they're not in a group. I've also heard it said that getting dressed up is a waste of time if they aren't able to take good pictures. Most of them tend towards OTT which, I'll admit, I wouldn't wear on a daily basis either. I'm one of the only people in my community who even bothers buying toned-down non-print dresses and coincidentally one of the only ones who wears lolita on a more regular basis. The ones I've talked to about this simply say that they have no interest in "boring" dresses like mine.
I usually don't really care about most of this but I do get annoyed when some of the girls insinuate that it's unrealistic to wear lolita anywhere but meets. I even overheard a few of them mocking the idea of daily lolitas (they'd clearly been reading /cgl/ and were saying shit like "kek" out loud) and saying that anyone who wears lolita out alone must be mentally ill. It was only three girls saying this but uh, wtf? Why are they even into this fashion? Stick to cosplay if you really think that...

>>9594070
this is the kindest post in the whole 4chan

the spoon feeding of summer birds is real in cgl

>>9594476
>some of the girls insinuate that it's unrealistic to wear lolita anywhere but meets
>anyone who wears lolita out alone must be mentally ill
And there's my main beef with meetlitas/conlitas. Wear it whenever and wherever you want but if you mock the idea of wearing alternative fashion, this isn't the place for you.

>>9594428
I've noticed that a lot of these people (including me in the past) have friends that dislike lolita. When I was younger, I obviously didn't want to wear lolita to do really shitty things like clean or go to a low-end grocery store, but whenever I was out and doing something nice enough to dress up I'd either be at a meet or socialising with friends who felt uncomfortable with the second-hand attention lolita got. I liked wearing lolita out alone but I pretty much never got to go out alone because those same friends would get offended if I went to an event they wanted to go to without them (I didn't get that much time off work either so if I spent one day a week going out with friends I'd have no other time free). Or a lot of girls spend a lot of time with their boyfriend, and if their boyfriend lowkey dislikes lolita (like, tolerates it and doesn't try to stop her wearing it but they know he doesn't like the way it looks) they won't wear it around him.

I eventually got better friends but I can see why most people care more about having friends than looking weird, and wouldn't want to suddenly ditch their entire social group over it.

>>9594491
I agree 100%. What's especially weird is that these are the same girls getting upset at passerby's who compliment their cosplay because "it's a fashion, not a costume!"
A fashion that you're embarrassed to be seen wearing in your home neighborhood so you have to change into in a train station bathroom, that you only bother with when there's a photoshoot opportunity? Right.
Wear it whenever you want in whatever context you want, that's fine. But don't act like you're in any way above the people who actually do wear it as a fashion. If it weren't for the "mentally ill lifestylers" who wear it outside of cons and meetups, the fashion wouldn't even exist.

>>9594420
Those are coslitas, not conlitas sweetie.

>>9594443
People do themed/character base coords all the time, not just for halloween.

>>9594516
>If it weren't for the "mentally ill lifestylers" who wear it outside of cons and meetups, the fashion wouldn't even exist
This is untrue; the entire western lolita community could disappear off the face of earth and the fashion would still be held aloft by the chinese comm, most of which are not lifestylers.

>>9594706
I don't mean actual lifestylers (according to these girls in my comm, wearing lolita outside of meets/cons = crazy lifestyler) and I was talking about the development of the fashion. It originated as a street fashion and meetups only started happening after girls were regularly wearing it around town on weekends just because. Afaik meetups still aren't a big thing in Japan, most girls just hang out with friends. If these Japanese girls in the 90s had been too embarrassed to ever wear lolita outside except for very specific special occasions, the fashion would have fizzled out before it ever got started. If someone can't even respect lolita's origins as a street fashion then they can fuck right off.

>>9594715
Fashion's change anon, and most of the chinese comm doesn't wear their lolita out either. They just sit at home and take pictures and take it off.

>>9594721
I don't understand why you keep bringing up Chinese lolitas. They're not relevant to the attitude in my community, which is what I was discussing.
Anyway this started because an anon found it hard to believe that meetlitas really existed. Clearly they do.

>>9594700
Conlitas have worn lolita less often than I have made a costume for halloween

>>9594731
Because Chinese lolitas make up the majority of the lolita fashion community as a whole, and you were talking about the fashion "not existing" if lifestylers and girls who wear it outside of meets didn't exist. Which is untrue because chinese lolitas are the type who don't wear it outside meets and in public.

>>9594733
Unless you live in bumfuck nowhere, most people who go to cons go to more than one or two a year.

>>9594737
Can you see beyond what you've read about Chinese lolitas on cgl? She was talking about the development of lolita, not what type of lolitas are in the majority right now. If Chinese lolitas had created lolita, it obviously wouldn't be the fashion it is today.

>>9594737
Read >>9594715 again. Lolita did not originate in China. I was talking about its origins.

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Okay, and I specified that I was talking about how the fashion has changed. Brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

>>9594774
And nobody cares about that, it's not relevent and you were replying to someone else, making it seem like you were responding to her instead of bringing up something unrelated.

>>9593598
So what is this thread supposed to be for, anyway? Most of the pictures posted here are either fandom-themed coords or literal cosplay whose designs were inspired by lolita.
All this nonsense about "weeblitas, coslitas, otalitas, meetlitas and conlitas" is completely irrelevant if you just wanted to post fandom coords.
Either make a fandom coord thread or make another vaguely baity "con/meetlita" discourse thread. You can't do both.

>ITT: A topic so vague that no one knows what this thread is about

>>9594776
> nobody cares about that, it's not relevent
Talking about the fashion in it's current state is relevant, what are you on? I was responding to her (you), get over it if you misunderstood.

>>9594817
Everyone itt is just here because they want to fight

>>9594210
You. I like you.

>>9594238
That would be actually p cool, sports in wheelchair is amazing

>>9594428
the fact that "meetlita" is even a ffffuuuaaarking word now

i already know everyone in my con probably hates me because i hardly come to meetups, great to know theres another reason for someone to look down on me

>>9594476
also people thinking its because im elitist and looking down on lifestylers or whatever

its not that at all i love when people do what they love id love to do what i love more often and not be judged for having circumstances in my life that make me almost solely a meetlita

I'm a meetlita. I only go to cons or meets and other than a selfie I rarely get photos - i wish I got more. I only really dress up for occasions because I exclusively wear sweet lolita - there's a clear divide in my professional wardrobe and lolita wardrobe and that divide is pink. It's difficult to wear anything other than black to my job without it being made into a big deal about what colours are considered professional. I could probably try more but I think it quickly becomes more gyaru or otome than lolita and that's not the fashion I want to focus on. In my friend group there is one person in particular who has asked me not to wear lolita out if they're coming because they dislike the attention strangers give and another friend has a toddler. Wearing bright not easily washable clothes around her is dumb. Other than that yea it is a lot of effort. I think dresses without petticoats look bad and wearing petticoats makes me day harder with transport, moving around an office and even sitting at a desk chair becomes a game of "where do I put the floof?" If I go out my way to dress up I want to do it as much as I can without having to care about how others will view me and I'm free to do that at meets and cons - so that's what I do.

>>9594428
It's not an easy fashion to get around in (especially if you take the train), it can be uncomfortable, it's easy to overheat, and sometimes the amount of unwanted attention just doesn't feel worth it depending on your disposition. I like dressing up and planning a coord for a special event, it's fun to get excited and anticipate. I also like having an audience that appreciates what I'm wearing and gets it. I think it depends on where you live, your previous experiences, casual or not, what sub-style, what you want out of the fashion etc. Just walking around with my friend in sweet in the past has been incredibly disruptive, I don't know how she does it but I admire her for wearing it. So it can be stressful, it's hard to just be chill and relaxed when you're in a hyper aware state of what you're wearing.

I don't know, I guess I'm not really bothered? I've really never seen this as a problem, I do what feels comfortable. Does this actually bother the daily wearers more than the ones who wear it occasionally?

>>9595366
I don't think people are actually bothered by meetlitas besides shitposters on cgl. I think I can understand if it's like a social thing for you and you just like going to meet-ups and don't like doing things by yourself or wearing nice clothes on a "normal" day off. But I can never understand the arguments that it's uncomfortable or gives too much unwanted attention. If it's uncomfortable you should buy clothes that fit you better or higher quality that doesn't get ruined easily. And the attention you get from normies is much more and worse at a meet than by yourself.

>>9595393
This. Anons that cry about discomfort and attention should probably learn to dress themselves better and look for another fashion to be involved in.

All of this essentially boils down to an attitude of unless you're a daily lolita, you're not a lolita, and probably not that great a dresser. There seems to be a preconception that these so called 'meetlitas' will be inclined towards more OTT styles. As someone who comes from a comm mainly comprised of older lolitas, I have noticed a lot of differences between older and younger lolitas as a whole. Things I think are very job and lifestyle dependant on being able to wear the clothes, even in more toned down coords, on a daily or more regular basis. Ability to put together a good outfit together and the frequency of wearing the fashion doesn't necessarily have a causation relation. Having a good foundation in fashion basics such as knowing what cuts and colours suit you and how to coordinate pieces together can be applied across the board regardless of what style you wear, and lolita can easily be included in that.
Some people who only get to wear lolita once in a while, such as to things such as meets or special occassions such as dates or nice meals out, might have jobs where wearing whatever you like for whatever reason, such as having a uniform, or it being deemed unprofessional, or just plain impractical, might not work regular 9-5 jobs where you can just put things aside for the day once you get home. Good example, teachers, those in academia, etc. Lolita also needs a bit of space in the home to not end up knocking everything over, if you're wanting to wear it about the house, even if you wear more toned down pieces. Lifestyle plays a big factor. I personally would love to be able to wear things more regularly, but sometimes I'm sat working until the early hours going over research papers or marking coursework, and it's unsafe to wear in the lab. It all too often ends up being that meets or special occassions are some of the only occasions when I end up actually being able to wear my dresses out, even though I mainly wear IW non print pieces.

>>9595393
>And the attention you get from normies is much more and worse at a meet than by yourself.
Depends on country/area. Yes, being in a group gets more stares but there's also safety in numbers and significantly less genuinely scary/dangerous encounters because a group doesn't look like a vulnerable target.

>>9595409
Read the thread

>>9595409
>unless you're a daily lolita, you're not a lolita, and probably not that great a dresser
I don't think that's the point being made here. Read >>9594476's post again, I think that describes the type of "meetlita" that gulls are annoyed with pretty well: Girls who only wear lolita to meetups because they feel it's the only appropriate occasion for it, who think that anyone who would ever consider wearing it outside of meets or cons is "mentally ill", who think that you should stop wearing lolita once you hit X age or what have you - That's a shitty attitude to have and if anything is killing lolita as a fashion and subculture, it's this, and it's not made up either, there are very real people who hold these opinions.
If you only wear lolita to meetups because your lifestyle and/or career doesn't allow you to, the term and annoyances associated with it don't apply to you.

>>9594421
what does magical etoille have to do with sailor V ? moons or orange i get but Parisian carnival ?

>>9595409
I think people don't have a issue with people only wearing lolita to cons/meets in general, but they do have an issue that it is the EXPECTATION that lolitas only dress up for these events and nothing else. With the rise of con and meet lolita culture, that stuff gets exposure more and it seems more and more people say things like "wearing Lolita is impractical." It's not for many people, and they love doing it. People just don't want to get discredited for wearing unique clothing in a community that was founded on that very premise.

>>9594428
These "meetlitas" are beginning to lament their name and someone here and someone even made an angry thread over it. Yes, they actually exist.

I don't understand it either. Why would you buy lolita just for meets? I can understand wanting pieces to not just be every day, where some are for more special occasions, but that's still outside meets. I like wearing my lolita to plays, to nice dinners, and out whenever I get the chance. You don't have to be "daily" but use it like real clothing options.

I think there's just a current wave of lolitas that genuinely do treat it a bit like cosplay and wear it only to cons or events tailored to specifically lolitas, like how cosplayers only wear costumes to cons or cosplay meets.

>>9595422
My response has been in general beyond this thread alone to when the term recently started being thrown about. I've been seeing useabe of 'meetlita' being used negatively even for those of us who can only wear it occasionally due to job, etc, and we seem to get lumped by some into the same boat as those who are the ones bringing the fashion into disrepute. I agree with you about those who see it as a costume to only wear at meets or cons, and pile on everything but the kitchen sink. The same goes for those who see it as a style that you have to quit wearing by a specific age. Ive seen some amazing older lolitas, some of whom are over 40. You can't deny that IW's designer looks amazing and has a lovely personal style.

>>9595551
I haven't seen that anywhere. It makes absolutely no sense to use meetlita, which has the word meet in it, for people who wear it to other occassons besides meets.

>>9595554
Only occassionally, mainly meets.

>>9595561
That still doesn't make you a meetlita, sweaty

>>9594158
im exactly the pothead lolita stereotype, oh no

>>9595480
>it seems more and more people say things like "wearing Lolita is impractical."
I've had so many conversations both on here and even in my comm that went along the lines of
>"wearing lolita is impractical/uncomfortable"
>not in my experience
>"well what about wigs/shapewear/circle lenses/falsies, those are uncomfortable and impractical"
>I don't wear any of those on a daily basis
>"well then you must be ita"
Of course people in my comm don't call me ita to my face, but there's often this insinuation that if you don't always look flawless and photoshoot-ready when wearing lolita then you're doing it wrong and shouldn't bother at all. I make an effort to look my best for big events and certain meets but expecting someone to wear a wig and corset every time they put on lolita style clothes is not just impractical but ridiculous. It's perfectly possible for lolita to be comfortable, practical and cute, all at the same time.

>>9595532
I agree on the cosplay thing. I don't mean that as an insult, cosplay is cool too. But lolita is a street fashion, not cosplay, so it's weird to treat it as cosplay.
As an example, I've been told I should always wear a wig with lolita because wigs will always look better than real hair and hold up better during the day. That's literally, like word for word, the reasoning cosplayers use when someone asks if they can use their real hair for a character. Yet this somehow doesn't apply to other fashions and I doubt many of these people wear wigs on a daily basis because they "always look better and hold up better". Their reasoning only applies to cosplay... and to lolita, because lolita is just another kind of cosplay to them.
I understand that people like this play a part in keeping the brands afloat and I'm not saying they should gtfo the hobby completely, but I do wish they'd at least admit that they wear it as a costume for special occasions instead of a street fashion. It's a little insulting to claim otherwise.

>>9595532
>Why would you buy lolita just for meets? I can understand wanting pieces to not just be every day, where some are for more special occasions, but that's still outside meets. I like wearing my lolita to plays, to nice dinners, and out whenever I get the chance.
A lot of younger lolitas can only afford lolita in the first place by not buying other luxuries like theatre tickets and meals in restaurants. 4chan is also full of NEETs. A lot of people just don't have many occasions in their life to dress up for.

>>9595654
This. I don't really attend meets, but the times I actually do go out by myself anywhere, in lolita or not, are few and far between.
>inb4 if you can't afford a night out then you can't afford a luxury fashion
Yeah, yeah, I just don't value services like fancy dinners and theatre tickets the same way I do physical possessions like lolita.

>>9595654
I mean when I have a day off and there's no meet-up I wear it anyway. I don't need to go to a fancy restaurant or theatre to wear something I enjoy.

back on track hoes, no one cares about spoonshits, meetlitas and "crazy lifestylers"
can't we just talk about the fashions instead of making retarded assumptions on each other

>>9595696

>>9595654
I like to go for walks in a nice nearby park in lolita on weekends. Sometimes I hang out at the library for half a day. Visit a free museum, go window shopping, see local sights. All completely free and easy to do in lolita.
Sometimes I get the feeling that people are grasping at excuses for why they can only wear lolita to cons and meetups. If you're not comfortable wearing it except for on special occasions, just say that.

>>9595699

>>9595702

>>9595701
I often do the same on my own, reading a book at the park etc... I wish i could do that kind of stuff with an other lolita tho, would be funnier!

>>9595696
>"no one cares about meetlitas"
Read the OP again; this thread is literally about meetlitas and co. If you want a fandom lolita thread, go make one.

>>9595701
I'm the anon from the lolita gen that got a bunch of shit cause I don't wear it to the grocery store. I even said that I wear the fashion outside of meets and I was still told that I'm making up excuses for not being able to wear it to go grocery shopping.

Like why is it necessary to wear it all hours of the day?

am I the only one who has more than one outfit per day?

>>9595532
I made that thread and it was consistently over looked that I wear it outside of meets.

>>9595422
It doesn't apply to me yet it still annoys me. I really don't see a reason to differentiate this much.

>>9595735
You don't see the point in differentiating between people who look down on those who wear lolita as a fashion, and those who actually love it and don't treat it as cosplay?

>>9595715
You're the anon who thought it was unreasonable to walk even a mile in the clothes.

>>9595737
I'm talking about meetlitas not conlitas

>>9595741
No I said I didn't think it was worth while to walk to the store in it. The store happens to be a mile from my house.

>>9595742
Please read the thread, there are lolitas that think the clothes are only ever appropriate for meetups and never for anywhere else unless you're mentally ill/looking for attention.

>>9595709
The coords here are not fandom lolita, they are lolita cosplay

>>9595715
You kept obsessing over the word grocery store when people just meant you can wear it if you want to period. Don't say you are unable to wear it, you choose not to wear it because you don't want to, what's so hard about that?

>>9595763
Its inconvenient to wear to the store in my opinion. Its fine to wear it anywhere else. I've worn it to work for christ sake.
People were pissy that I don't wear it all the time, everywhere.

>>9595776
No they weren't, are you forgetting we could also see that thread?

>>9595776
I was in that thread, and you 100% came off as saying lolita was impractical for anything other than special occasions

>>9595654
I don't think you have to go to a fancy theater or dinner even to have a special event. If you're just wearing it for meets and cons and those are your "special events", that's basically being a cosplayer.

It's actually kind of worrying if those are the only special events someone goes to. You got cons and meets and that's it? That just sounds like some cosplayers I know. Why not just go on a picnic with your partner or friends in lolita? Money isn't an excuse. It's also clothing, not a characters costume.

This might be easy, too easy, for me to say but here goes nothing:
I wear lolita almost daily, except when I don't feel up to it (very rare, but happens after random bouts of insomnia and stress), if there's an occasion that bans me from doing so or I have to work in a messy environment. The reason for it might be that it's easy for me to be so insistent on wearing this fashion as everyday wear, since I live in a relatively OK area and attend a decent uni. Basically, I have the safest environment that a normal mundane person could have for wearing lolita daily.
I understand that a lot of people don't have the same situation or even liking as I do, but still I can't help it if a daily lolita seems more "authentic" or relatable to me. I secretly prefer people who do like I do and I've learned to understand why (relatability mainly, a lot of it subconscious).
However despite of what I approve over "meetlitas", I don't feel the need to differentiate people harshly into different groups like meetlita or "actual" lolita - in the end, I think of them all as just lolita wearers. To me, that's just unnecessary friction between people who experience and show their liking for this fashion differently. Everything's ok imo.
One thing though about rude people: Any "meetlita", as the term calls, who's ready to mock me for wearing what I wear on a daily might as well be ready to eat my entire ass, just like any other person who thinks it's up to me to please them by looking "less weird" alone. Probably couldn't even say a thing up to my face - isn't it the highest height of chickenshittery from them to project their own fear of being singled out as weird or alien, on a person who has seized the angst, and in the end does what they themselves would like to do as easily? It is.
TL;DR: I'm privileged kinda and that affects my viewpoint, I appreciate "lifestylers" more but wont shit on "meetlitas" at all, however I will shit on people who think ill of me for being a "lifestyler".

>>9595811
>Why not just go on a picnic with your partner or friends in lolita?
>It's actually kind of worrying if those are the only special events someone goes to.
I think you're underestimating the amount of anons that are virgins with barely any friends and no social life, we're on 4chan for fuck's sake.

I think "barely any" is the key part, because someone with literally no friends is actually ideally placed to become a lifestyler without having to worry too much about other people's opinions, and someone with lots of friends is probably still going to have friends even if they turn a few people off them by suddenly starting to dress "weird". It's your theoretical girl with just one or two friends who isn't going to want to do anything to risk jeopardising those friendships. A surprising amount of girls I've met at meetups use meets as their primary social outlet and don't have many other friends, or have friends who think lolita is embarrassing (a lot of newbies are ita at first so even other lolitas would be embarrassed to be seen with them, so it's not surprising their friends don't want to deal with the public reaction). It makes sense when you consider that a lot of lolitas found the fashion through being some shade of weeb or nerd (a lot of which are ex-"not like the other girls" who are mostly friends with guys who hate girly things), were social outcasts who didn't feel like they fit in mainstream fashion, or have otherwise spent a lot of time at home on the Internet to stumble across jfash. This is changing as more people discover lolita through mainstream things like Instagram or news reports but it applies to a lot of lolitas IMO...it is sort of worrying if people have no life outside meets, but I think it's very common in the scene.

>>9595849
But if you have no friends, why not wear Jfashion out to do other things? I go out to get coffee and go to the library im jfashion all the time. Not trying to instigate, I just genuinely don't understand

>>9595870
or even without going out

>>9595870
Because they lack the self confidence to do it, they're afraid of people staring or judging on taking pictures or complimenting them on their "costume". They care too much about what people think so they don't feel comfortable wearing alternative fashion on their own without a group to act as a safety net for them.
And >>9595873 they won't wear it at home because they don't see the point, like (oddly enough, to counter the previous point) it's not fun for them if no one can see them wearing it.

>>9595878
>they care to much about what people think so they are afraid of wearing alternative fashion on their own
this makes sense, and this is what I think of when I say I don't mind people wearing lolita to meets and nothing else. if you are uncomfortable or scared, that's your gig. that even gives me hope that one day you'll few comfortable and go for it. but when people say tabimpractical or innappropriate outside of meets that tells me they don't see it as a fashion. they see it as a clothes based costume RP like steampunk or ren faire. and that makes me uncomfortable...

>>9595887
feel* impractical* sorry im a bit drunk
>because I wore jfashion to a beer festival and had no issue *wink wink, nudge nudge*

I have a wardrobe full of lolita, but I've only actually wore it out once, to a con. There's no comm near me and I'm too insecure and afraid people I know will see me to wear it alone. I tried to wear it out when going out to eat with my family once, but as soon as I stepped outside my neighbor stared at me and I changed. I live at home since my uni is close, and my family gives me the side eye if I wear it inside.

>>9595870
I agree with you, but that's exactly what I said. Someone with no friends can easily do stuff alone, someone with one or two clingy friends that don't like lolita probably doesn't get that much alone time they can wear jfash in (of course, it would also depend on life factors like whether they have a job or are a student, etc - a lot of people just don't get that much time off, and already have to spend some of that time off with their friends to stop those friendships from fading due to distance). A lot of people spend most of their time with other people, and that sort of person often especially wants others' approval and fears being lonely. At some point, if you have friends or family who dislike lolita, you have to decide which is worth more to you - the ability to wear the fashion you love as much as possible, or your close personal relationships. I can understand why someone would think it was less hassle not to cause confrontation by wearing lolita around friends and family that hated it, when they can just make sure they book time off work for meets once a month and get other lolita interaction online.

I'm sorry if I sound like a robot describing human interaction here, I'm a literal autist but this is how I see it. There are definitely people like >>9595878 described but I think more fall into the category I described.

everyone in this thread has autism. seek help

>>9595941
>everyone with an opinion has autism

Is it seriously that hard for people itt to understand that even if you think a thing is fun, doing it in a hostile environment is not fun for most people? It doesn't need to be a masochistic pissing contest of who's the most dedicated and willing to endure the most suffering in order to wear lolita.

For me personally, lolita is one of the most important things in my life and it makes me happy even if those around me hate it, but I'm not going to look down on people whose enjoyment of wearing lolita doesn't outweigh the unpleasantness of being stared at or even insulted every time they go out alone, and knowing family and friends think you look ugly and stupid when you're with them wearing it even if they tolerate it.

>>9595956
(most) people understand that, the problem is when there is an undercurrent of people annoyed that the community is being dragged along to the point where many people in it think that wearing the fashion in any context other than a con or specially designed meet is "weird" or "wrong." or worse, that wearing versions of the fashion practical for daily life and not perfectly color matched with accessories they planned bought for that day months ago is "ita"

>>9595708
This is so cute, even though I don't like salmon.

>>9595887
I'm just going to be honest, it's not typical fashion to me, and it's very dramatic. It's a lot less sturdy than the stuff I wear daily and I think that impacts how I perceive it, especially anything newer than old school. I think I just see it as dressup and I don't really have a problem with that, I don't want to sparkle all the time so it makes it a special thing for me. I really think that's the original spirit of lolita too. You took your suitcase to harajuku, got dressed up, and walked around. No one would actually wear it leaving the house for the same reasons other anons have already expressed.

It's weird, I really like my personal collection, I love the fashion, but I'm just not sure what to do with it. I even try to buy more casual dresses but still, they feel really fancy compared to the comfortable chill clothes I wear to work. I work in animation so it would be totally okay to wear, but I have a certain feel I'm going for in my everyday that's more gender neutral right now. Lolita tends to be tailored with multiple layers and I like loose comfortable clothing when I'm working. After lunch something like that would feel too tight, so for me it is impractical. Even bracelets or jewelry when I'm trying to draw really bother me.

>>9595956
This pretty much.

>>9595962
I don't understand, the sample size for this opinion so far was one person in a comm, why is it being taken as gospel? I don't think this is the major opinion among meetlitas, that would be pretty ridiculous. I for one don't give a shit, I think it's really cool if you have the fortitude to wear it daily.

>>9596139
>No one would actually wear it leaving the house for the same reasons other anons have already expressed.
Not really comparable though because those girls lived in Japanese society which is different than most western societies. Things are a bit different today but all the same, if people close to you perceived you as strange (which is what liking and wearing lolita would do) you may become a social outcast and it could have been disastrous for you. In western societies you'll have people side eyeing and judging you but wearing strange alt fashion in your free time doesn't necessarily mean you won't have any job opportunities ever and have to live in your parents' basement because no one else will accept you.

>>9596139
>the sample size for this opinion so far was one person in a comm
Two people in two different comms, actually, and this is an opinion (re: "lolita is impractical you can't wear it every day why would you wear it outside of meets lol also you have to be photo-perfect at all times or don't bother wearing it at all") that is also commonly seen on places like COF and Rufflechat, and here as well.

>>9596139
>I really think that's the original spirit of lolita too. You took your suitcase to harajuku, got dressed up, and walked around
Actually that was only a group of lolitas who wore it because of their favorite bands. Lolita existed before that.

>>9594402

I don't mind lolita versions of characters, but this is really ugly.

meetlitas and conlitas are fucking filthy casuals

>>9595791
How is saying that I wear it to more than meets and cons mean its only for special occasions?

>>9598489
your attitude and the words you said

>>9594028
>it's the weeb word for weeblita

We're getting a little too deep

>>9594158
Gonna take the bait, but gonna sage for it

Taking yself as an example because I can't speak for anyone else

I have chronic migraines, IBD, and widespread inflammatory pain. Migraines are debilitating (obviously) and I can't wear my hair long because the weight of it on my head makes them so much worse when they hit, so I pretty much always wear wigs with lolita, which... can trigger a migraine.

Having anthing tight like tights or a petti or even a skirt around my stomach area can trigger my IBD, and then I'm on the toilet for god knows how long.

Literally carrying just my clutch wallet is enough to make my shoulders become so inflamed that I can't lift my arms anymore, on a bad day.

All of these things are very, VERY unpredictable, so when i wear lolita I'm taking some serious risks, especially if I go anywhere alone. My migraines can make me go half blind. The nearest comm is almost a 2 hour drive away, so I don't get out there often, and when I do it's a risk, because I don't have anyone around to take with most of the time.

Luckily the girls in that comm are very welcoming and accepting and open and are genuinely nice people, one of them hooked me up with some pain meds last time I got a migraine and mine weren't working, so I could at least make the 2 hour drive home by myself. She offered to accompany me home, even though it would be out of her way (she was from even further away, in a slightly different direction).

There's a lot that can go wrong. I love the fashion so i try to wear it with my friends when i can, but we're all working adults and our schedules don't often line up to go out together either.

ofc, I don't run around screaming about how unfortunate I am, or telling people about my business, unless I need immediate assistance with something that i absolutely can't handle on my own. Living with this shit for years makes you alright with handling it and being prepared but sometimes shit happens.

>>9602024
Uhhh thanks for the blogpost? You don't need to justify yourself.

>>9602022
It's used by Japanese lolitas

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>>9606881
What is funny about it? Seems to me like that anon just didn't understand we don't use otalita.