/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

A lot of my coord file names are the dress names but posting what they are anyway.

MM Madeleine Chiffon

>>9576382
Apollonia OP

>>9576384
Apollonia OP

>>9576386
MM Meria Rose OP

>>9576388
MM Perfume print

>>9576390
VM Lace-Up Doll

>>9576392
VM Lace-Up Doll

>>9576394
VM Flowery Flocky Elegant OP

>>9576397

>>9576396
Unknown, believe it is a VM dress from the Beth line

>>9576398

MM Cordelia OP

>>9576399

>>9576397
Thanks anon!

MM Teresa JSK

>>9576402
VM Petal Ruffle Bustier JSK

MM sailor collar OP

>>9576400
>>9576402
Thanks to you for making this thread, MM and VM haven't been getting love lately

>>9576405
Unknown

>>9576407
Unfortunately I have already run out of images to post, hence starting the thread. I wish secondhand Japanese sites stocked them more, for example fril doesn't have a brand category for either. I will say it makes searching for dream items more difficult.

>>9576415
Combing through Tumblr & CoF now

MM Elodie Doll

>>9576419
Fleur Antoinette OP

>>9576457

>>9576458

>>9576379
>>9576382
This dress in red is my holy grail and I only know it exists thanks to pic related.

>>9576388
this is so adorably good!

>>9576390
That blazer is my Dream item <3

What actually happened with MM? Do any of us know or can infer? I know they stagnated and then their dress quality fell a bit. Maybe they lost a seamstress or someone important in the company?

>>9576480
I thought this was a photoshop recolor and wondered how cruel someone could be to do that. I can't believe such a gorgeous color exists!

Dumping some more coordinates. Farutetto JSK

>>9576459
Is this Ophelia, or her friend? I can't tell anymore.

>>9577207
Rose stripe JSK

>>9577209

Valeria JSK, limited edition version

Adela Rose JSK

>>9577208

It's Ophelia.

>>9577214

Petit fleurs/fours OP

>>9577216

Yet another Elodie Doll (I sold mine and half regret it but at least it will be worn more often)

>>9577217

Morgane OP

>>9577220

Millefleurs JSK

>>9577221

Cordelia Puff OP

>>9577222

Arabesque Fleur JSK

>>9577226

MM lace up frill skirt

>>9576421
MM Elodie Doll, this time in an interesting color/coordination

>>9577232
VM Rose Flocky Chiffon

I liked the more goth? styling

>>9577233
Speaking of goth styling, this image is from a 2003/2004 Victorian Maiden advertisement. If I hadn't had seen the credit, I would have thought this was Moitie.

>>9577236

>>9577242
Another Victorian Maiden ad, looks Regency inspired

>>9577243
VM Rococo Bouquet print, unknown cut

>>9576399
Found the name, it's Chiffon Frill JSK by VM, not from the Beth line

>>9577244

If someone knows the name of this dress, I'd be grateful. Searching for a solid dress while Lolibrary isn't at full capacity is suffering

Antoinette Fleur was my DD from 2010. Im so happy to have it in my wardrobe :)

>>9577248
I found the name right after posting, VM Fairy Doll Puff Sleeve OP

>>9577250
Nice, anon. I'd like to own it eventually, though I can't make up my mind about which color.

>>9577253
Sax was always my first choice but you're right, the colour ways are all so lovely its hard to choose. I think I'm a big fan of the Mint and Blue.

>>9577226
>>9576404

Sauce on shoes? This entire thread is so gorgeous, thank you for making it and filling it.

>>9577236
>>9577242
Yess, I absolutely love Victorian Maiden's older ads when they had a more gothic direction. I so rarely see people use VM for oldschool as well, I guess because their actual dresses haven't changed as much as the styling so people don't always realise they've got older pieces. I'm an oldschoolfag and have a ton of ancient VM but I think I've literally never seen anyone post Victorian Maiden oldschool coords.

>>9576405
This may be the only pic I've ever seen this JSK worn. If there are any more out there, I'd be grateful

>>9577208
>>9577214
>Opaline Rose a.k.a. Kagome
Ophelia is the old school lolita

>>9577232
double related to thread as the op underneath is VM Royal Lacey op.
this is a nice ass coord

>>9577250
Congratulations! It's such a lovely dress.
>>9577253
>>9577257
I got antique peacock, but it's been difficult finding matching accessories. I still love it to pieces though.

VM is truly hard to find. I just went scouring for it.

>>9577220
And it's the courdory version too...I'm a sucker for unique fabric choices.
That being said,>>9577232 looks great but that choice in tights is horrible. I feel like MM/VM looks best with understated stockings because the dresses are usually more detail-oriented than print oriented.
>>9577248
OT but I stg lolibrary has shit the bed, it never saves my searches and there's no browse function anymore, any story on what actually happened? It somehow got worse, and they still have repeats on dresses. If it's still broken by the time I get my grad degree/get a moment to breathe from doing ACTUAL CS research, I'm fixing it myself.

On topic I really wish there was more greens, I have pic related and love the color, but the cut of the dress is...interesting.

>>9578227

>>9578228
I have this dress and I'm in love with it.

>>9578229
Annnd the dress that finally convinced me to take the dive and start wearing the fashion after looking for years.
MM and VM make up the vast majority of my wardrobe. I really do wish pieces were easier to find, but then again I'd probably be broke.

>>9576397
>>9576388
>tfw you've been in the ita thread for so long that when you see a pic of something flawless it makes you undefinably nervous

>>9577268
This warmed my heart, thanks anon. I can't source the shoes but hopefully somebody knows

>>9577287
I wish it was a thing. If I have time I'll try to dig some older ads and pics up for you anon.

>>9578227
From what I've heard they're working on LM somehow without it being user facing, sorry I don't know the terms. They left the current one up just so we'd have something.

>>9578358
I chuckled

>>9579716

>>9579718

>>9579718
Source on shoes?

>>9577268
Neosens
>>9580308
Too hard to see since it's covered by the grass. Maybe JM?

Are there any worn pics of Ekaterina that aren't a godawful replica?

Anyone got an ID on this? All I know is it's old VM, since the seller says so.

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l380999550

I tried looking on lolibrary for it and couldn't find it, there were a couple of blank listings that looked similar but the length measurements didn't match up:
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-antique-doll-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-velveteen-flare-sleeve-op

>>9576382
I've been wanting ballerina-style shoes for such a long time! Does anyone know where they're from?

>>9580701
They come on sale periodically from a shop on Taobao. I have a pair and they are okay. But they are very versatile and easy to coord with.

>>9582337

>>9582339

>>9582341

>>9580705
Link pls

>>9580636
I have this in brown, as soon as my orders come in I'll try to do it justice for you anon

>>9580636
For now

>>9577357
That hat is to die for! <3

>>9577217
>Elodie Doll
I love everything about this. Though I don't think I've ever seen this colourway on auction.

>>9576379
MM & VM Classic is best classic, don't know how some could ever choose tacky af JetJ over these two.

>>9584866
You know, I felt that way for a long time, but JetJ was a GoH at a convention I went to last year and seeing all their dresses in person and watching a new collection go down the runway with intended styling and all, I just suddenly "got it" so to speak. The aesthetic doesn't really translate to online as well.

>>9585082
I feel like VM/MM is certainly more wearable for everyday, where JetJ is far more ott/opulent. While you can MM/VM look ott with the right styling, you can't successfully tone down JetJ without making it look tacky. They kinda borrow more inspiration from modern western high fashion. It makes for something interesting done right, but not really my personal taste

I'm not a lolita, but MM makes me want to get into the fashion so bad.

>>9584866
>>9585092
What about Innocent World? Or is it they're more for the specific substyle of 'sweet-classic' rather than just outright Classic like MM, VM & JetJ?

>>9585116
I'm currently wearing an IW blouse under a sweater for work attire.
Innocent World is a mixed bag, It mostly swings sweet, but it has nice pieces for classic when corded correctly. I use it mainly for blouses (yay being busty), but it's a solid place to go for basics.
>>9585109
Just a warning, MM/VM runs a little bit smaller than most other lolita brands. Especially MM.

>>9585116
IW has a lot of cheap solid jsks I like to pick up on sale, as well as headpieces and OTKs since they're quite long and affordable. IW is like the Target of Classic Lolita.

>>9585116
IW is a lot more cutesy compared to the other classic brands, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they're "sweet-classic". Most of what they release are still classic, though some of their pieces like Lotta or Rabbit Letter are sweet in pretty much everything apart from the brand that released them and (to a lesser extent) colour palette.

>>9585133
>Comparing any glorious burando to Target.

That's Bodyline's department.

>>9585126
No they don't. VM/MM's sizing, shirred and unshirred, are comparable to Baby's and IW's medium. The only difference is that they don't release items with shirring nearly as often as the other brands.

>>9585133
>>9585139
IW's more like the Gap if we're using the normie store analogy. Nicer than Target, but not THAT nice if we're being honest.

>>9585141
True. I was talking in terms of largest possible size that it can fit
I was so confused the first time I received a dress with shirring.
There's definitely a quality jump though on main pieces.

>>9585178
Did I get a bad batch or something? I have a couple of old VM pieces that are nice, same as my other normal oldschool stuff, but I have one of their sailor releases from the past few years and it's probably one of the crappiest out of all my Japanese burando pieces (comparing to old and modern Baby, modern AatP and AP and old IW). The construction is fine but the material it's made out of wrinkles so fucking easily and is almost impossible to iron or even to steam. All except like two of my Taobao pieces are made of less wrinkle-prone cotton. I'm the second owner (bought from Japan) and it seems to have got some permanently creases in parts from being folded in storage for a long time/ironed on too high a temp by the last owner that I've never been able to get out. It wrinkles just on the hanger and even when I steam it I can't get it to look nice and stay nice. Also, you know those horizontal wrinkles dresses get on the lower part of the bodice when they're too small for the person wearing them or too boxy a cut? It has those too and they won't iron out, and I can't see how someone could have ironed them in so it must have got them just by being worn by someone it fit awkwardly, even though there are no signs of stress on the seams. A button came off as well but I've had that from all brands.

It's so fucking stressful spending an hour ironing it every time I want to wear it and still having it look bad that wanted to sell it since I've got it, even though I love the design.

>>9585141
Nah VM and MM are smaller than any of the brands overall. MM is the only brand I have problems fitting into sometimes since I'm taller. Compare measurements to Baby, AP and Meta and theres no question with the vast majority of pieces they're on the smaller side. Any other brand. even my IW in M I'm swimming in.

>>9585458
I'm 178-88-68 and my VM and MM don't fit me any differently than my Baby or IW. Can't speak to AP and Meta because I don't own any of them, but from my experience their unshirred sizing has hovered around the 90-70 mark like the rest of the main brands. The one main difference I can think of in terms of sizing is that neither brands seem to have ever done full back shirring.

Also in last few years VM has been releasing a lot more "free size" dresses like the Frill Collar Blouse OP that they have on their site right now. I had a friend whose bust was in the low-100's and she fit into Royal Lacey Long OP without any issue.

>>9585505
>I'm 178-88-68

What are these measurements????

>>9585520
Hopefully height-bust-waist

>>9585522
I am fucking terrified. I hope so.

>>9585458
That's super weird, MM fits me better than Baby and AP and I'm hella tall. If we wanna talk about tiny fucking burando, MMM is the smallest of them all.

Dumping some coords from the recent KERA snaps, Google translate for comments.

>Kurumi
>(born in Gunma prefecture · living in Tokyo)
>B type · height 154 cm
>Today's fashion · theme ● sheerunderdress, one piece, choker ● Victorian maiden
>pierced earring ● Q-pot.
>ring ● self-made
>bracelet ●
>brooch with a façade● Ivy
>bag ● Michiko Kuge
>shoes ● Queen Bee
>My boom ● Bowling
>Fashion brands and shops that are interesting recently ● Victorian maiden The line is beautiful!
>Twitter @ krm 0320
>Instagram KRM 0320

>>9587904
>Koharu
>(born in Kanagawa Prefecture · living in)
>Type A · Height 158 cm
>Today's fashion · Theme ● Summer classical doll
>hat, wristcuffs, bag, socks, shoes ● BABY, THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT
>one piece ● Victorian maiden
>necklace ● no Brand
>ring ● Individual writer's work
>Recent anxious fashion brands and shops ● China and other overseas brands
>Twitter @ khr_0v0

>>9587910
Some lovely detail shots as well, this is all from here:
http://kerastyle.jp/news/4069

Forgot to mention also, I'm editing the translation into slightly better quality since otherwise some lolita-specific words come out as phonetic nonsense, but I'm not changing anything major.

>>9587911
>Smith!
>(Saitama born, living in Tokyo)
>Height 149cm
>today's fashion theme ● summer of cool coordination
>headband ● Anonhatto
>dress ● Mary Magdalene
>ring ● Tiffany
>wristcuffs ● Metamorphosis
>parasol ● department store
>shoes ● Ginza Yoshinoya
>my boom ● pudding
>fashion brands and shops become recently care ● MIHO MATSUDA

>>9587914

>>9587915
Not a conventional VM coord since it was in the gothic section, but posting anyway.

http://kerastyle.jp/news/4449

>Of'll
>(born in Tokyo)
>O type · height 154cm
>today's fashion theme ● straw hat
>hat ● Takeshita street
>blouse ● Triple * fortune
>skirt ● Victorian maiden
>corset ● MRcorset
>earrings ● Paris Children's
>glove ● Angelic Pretty
>bag ● h. NAOTO
>socks ● were at home
>shoes● ESPERANZA
>my boom ● Writing a ghost story
>recent anxious fashion brands and shops ● Haydies Cool!
>Twitter @ with _ NEGI

>>9587925
Also, pictures for ants but here's a snap from Melt containing MM and VM.

Seems like IW and VM didn't pay for any more advertising in the magazine than just flats of a few items of clothes, and MM weren't in there at all. There were no on-model pictures of any of the classic brands except Triple Fortune and AatP.

>>9586778
>mfw I'm tall and just too busty to make MMM work

I have a better time finding MM and VM coats that fit me than most other brands and I'm ~94 cm

>>9585285
Is it French marine?
The quality seems great to me, just ironing with those pleats is a pain.
I'm kinda big on VM's marine lines, I think the most prone to wrinkles is >>9578230
>>9585458
I'm tall, but basically I love as a beanpole before puberty and now I'm a beanpole with a sizeable bust/hips, so O just have to give everything hook &eye reinforcements.
I got a royal marine from CC that's stupidly small in the bust, which is weird for VM. I just took it out a bit today, and it's much nicer

>>9587989
Nah, it's British Marine, although I think the pleats are a big part of the problem.

>>9587997
Ahh I...honestly didn't like the British marine release so I didn't go for it. I tend to like the winter releases more despite being a slut for sailor releases, which makes my wardrobe a little bit unbalanced but I'm working on it! They've also been going a little earlier historically than I'm a fan of...
>>9587980
I feel this feel, I'm in the same boat
>tfw 30G despite being on the edge of underweight