/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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Btw let's not post the same old coords we've all seen a million time unless it's really your favourite
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this girl made moitie look so cute.

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My favourite thing from Moitie is the Holy Queen skirt in black. I wonder what'll be the next most sought after print after Gothic Arch and Iron Gate now that both have new versions? I know Ritual in ivory is really rare but I think that's just because of how it was released.

>>9531564
I love Iron Gate honestly, but I'm not into Gothic Arches at all for whatever reason. My favorite is still Sleeping Garden, but that's been posted upthread somewhere.

longtime moitie fan reporting in. I got into lolita through vk (probably 7 or 8 years ago now?), so naturally moitie was the first brand I knew much about. My fav prints are probably Iron Gate and Holy Queen, though Stained Glass is lovely as well.

I'll post a few of my fav coords to keep the thread going

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>>9531564
I think the new versions will shoot up the price and prestige of the originals. They're already pretty rare, so being able to say that you own the original will be more of a status thing amongst Moitie fans.

>>9533683
Iron Gate lowered in price and Royal Gate is rising

>>9533688
Has IG dropped that much? I bought mine years ago, but the auctions I've seen have still been 600+ to 1000+USD, depending on skirt or JSK/OP.

>>9533683
Is it bad that I'm tempted to sell my original so I can get, like, two versions of the rerelease? Also pic related is my dream dress.

>Walk up into Moitie like wassup I can only afford to buy this keychain

>>9533692
That's a drop compared to before royal gate was released

>>9533891
Depends on the colourway. Personally, I only like RG in the white colourway. Something about the black x blue looks strange (the blue is almost florescent on my screen).
>>9533900
Royal Gate is, what, four years old now? Going by LM it looks like it consistently sells anywhere between 300-450, which is about average for most secondhand printed moitie.

There was a moitie girl from a while back who was from Quebec. I think her username was something like minouche? I always loved her style. Does anyone have pics or links to her current stuff?

>>9531557
Holy cow
The new looks so much more beautiful

>>9531564
Iron gate has a new release?
When did this happened?

>>9534014
New version

>>9534012
YEP. I'm the anon upthread who said they weren't really into Gothic Arches. Guess what I'm about to buy in white? RIP my wallet.

>>9534018
Are you guys confusing it with Royal Gate?

>>9534162
Now I'm confused. Was Royal Gate meant to be a new Iron Gate? Why are we treating this half a decade old dress like it's the second coming?

How is the quality of MmM bags?

>>9531532
>Mfw way too fat for this skirt now
>Almost fit but a bit tight when I got it and didn't have a nice black blouse so I couldn't wear it anyway
>Saw a really nice Chantilly shirt on WW or something that would match it

Rip in pepperoni, I'll have to try selling it again

>>9534591
I've never had one but i'd gotta guess it depends on whether you get the leather or faux version.

>>9534591
I have the Candelabra handbag and love it; it's very sturdy and the metal hardware is very nice quality.

does anyone know any mmm lolita like youtubers. So tired of the massive angelic pretty. wish more goth brands had loli-tubers

>>9534764
>loli-tubers
This made me think of many potatoes dress in lolita

I'm pretty new to the fashion so please ignore me if this is common knowledge: how much does Sleeping Garden actually go for?

>>9534586
I believe that royal gate was intended to be a new and different take on IG. it's not identical, but it's similar enough to appeal to a lot of people who wanted IG. Pretty sure people have been saying that since it was announced.

>>9534591
I own the bat bag in nylon and in faux leather, they're very nice. The biggest flaw is that the points on the bottom warp if you store it on them, so you're best off storing flat.

>>9534783
I noticed the same thing on my own bat bag and I'm super bummed out by it. Any tips on how to get them nice and pointy again? pic related though not my bag

Other than that issue though it's my favorite purse by far, roomy and well constructed. The little coffin zipper is the cutest thing

>>9535039
On the topic of Moitie purses, I heard that some of them are made with real leather, but are older releases. I'd love to see any made of real leather if they exist. Or are they just that pleather?

I've had problems with moitie monochromatic prints peeling. Does anyone else have a similar problem? I got it second hand so it might be the previous seller but she said it was rarely worn and dry cleaned once. The prints are gorgeous but it really turned me of from buying more moitie.

>>9535039
Oh gods the zipper is adorable, I love it so much. Honestly I'm not sure how to straighten them out, the nylon version has the stabilizer inside bent out of whack so that's not fixable unless I get creative and take it apart. The faux leather one I haven't figured out either, but I'm hoping that if I keep it stuffed and flat long enough it'll straighten out a bit. I've debated a hair dryer to heat it up and reshape the points, but I've been terrified of causing the glue to break down. What year is yours?

>>9535104
The bat bag was released in real leather once back in about 2000. It's pretty uncommon to find, although a quick google shows me an LM listing.

>>9535110
I've never had that issue, maybe she/they washed it wrong. If lacemarket is to be believed, all lolitas rarely wear their clothes as all of them say only worn a couple of times.

>>9531532
>>When did you start liking Moitie?
Right when I first got into lolita I loved it the most, but I couldn't afford it so I built my wardrobe around other brands. I only started buying more Moitie this year.
>>What is your favourite dress/skirt/print/item from Moitie?
Either Iron Gate in black×blue long-sleeved OP cut or Ruins Cathedral in white×black. I like Royal Gate in black×black and Silent Moon in white×black too.
>>What is your favourite Moitie coord?
Almost anything Mana has done. There are a depressing amount of Moitie itas.

>>9535110

If it's a screen print, dry cleaning is the issue. The solvents can do weird stuff to the chemicals in the screen print paint, like dissolve it and wash it away, or stiffen it and make it peel.

>>9535156
Damn. I think it was the dry cleaning and I definitely overpaid for the dress given the damages. I should have fought harder for a refund or at least a bigger discount. It was a dream item too.

>>9531557
I inverted the colours of this image and now I'm really sad there wasn't a whitexblack colourway.

>>9535039
a hair dryer is a smart idea, but yeah I totally feel with your apprenhension. My bag is nylon, though I'm not sure the year since I picked mine up at closet child.

>>9535242
Agreeeeed. I get not re-releasing every color for exclusivity but the new dress is pretty different from the original? All those intricate details really stand out with the black screen print. A single tear for what might have been.

>>9534764
Tallulah Bee does big moitie hauls pretty often, but I know most gulls don't like her because she is just a 'collector' *cough*hoarder*cough* of old moitie stuff and doesn't wear most of it. Still interesting tho

>>9534780
I got mine for under US$200 last year, but there was a bit of a snag in the chiffon overlay. Not really noticeable unless you're looking for it, though. Was the JSK for the record.

>>9535242
Agreed. I'm still all about white x gold Moitie though.

>>9535352
Tallulah is great specifically because she's a collector and goes for old Moitie.
>>9534764
As for your normal Youtuber, I'm not sure. I normally just look at old reviews of pieces. No such thing as Moitie "haul" videos for the most part and no one buys Moitie frequently like AP for obvious reasons.

I feel you on hating AP hauls, though.

>>9535352
I just looked this lady up and even though I didn't like her voice at first, I really admire the passion she has for the clothes, you can tell how much she enjoys all the small details of each piece she buys.

>>9531532
>When did you start liking Moitie?
Saw the Divine Cross scan in 2013 and fell in love, I had never heard of them before seeing the scan.
>What is your favourite dress/skirt/print/item from Moitie?
My Cathedral jsk.
>What is your favourite Moitie coord?
I don't have a favourite coord for the brand in general, but my own best coord is pic related

>>9534591
I have the Cathedral and Gothic Arch ones, I bought both damaged for dirtcheap and I'm glad I did because they are not worth retail prices in my opinion.

>>9535352
I really like Tallulah! I just want more!! so many AP hauls even just more gothic or even strictly classic would be good too

Does anyone have the white on black Divine Cross? I don't care what cut, just not velvet for consistency's sake. I just received mine that I bought "in like new condition" and I'm trying to figure out just how damaged my print is. It has a pink discoloration throughout and is more of a grey than white-white. I'm pretty upset as I don't have much hope for recourse with my SS or restoration.

>>9535401
Drooling at your coord. I am hunting down that headdress and kicking myself for skipping out on it twice!

>>9535401
Gorgeous. I'm definitely jealous!
>>9535478
Where did you make the Facebook post again, anon? I'd like to look at the other pictures of this since I'm interested in this colorway of the print as well.

>>9535478
It's like she washed it with something red

>When did you start liking Moitie?
Right back in the day when I first got into lolita - so 2009?
>What is your favourite dress/skirt/print/item from Moitie?
Lace flock JSK. It was my dream dress. I don't actually like many of their prints - never been an omg iron gate/gothic arch/etc. sort of person but there are numerous solid items I want.
>What is your favourite Moitie coord?
I don't actually have one, but of coord inspiration that I have saved a significant amount is Moitie!

Does anyone know why this movie is tweeting about moitie?

>>9536178
From what I can tell, the movie is based on the pentamerone, a fairy tale collection, and those dresses have those collection and their theme. At least it says "the pentamerone as imagined by moitie... in two black and white coords, it expresses the dual nature of woman." Maybe a cross promotion?

>>9536200
...*have that collection as their theme, whoops

Are there any older moitie releases (pre 2010) that fit a 95cm bust which aren't fully shirred, because I hate full shirring somehow.

>>9536206
No. Stuff was always 82 cm standard, and older stuff didn't have any size difference at all.

>>9536215
You clearly have never owned any Moitie

>>9535478
I think it might be the undertone of the screen print showing through. My Polycopie de Poupée dress had bright orange spots on the print. At first I thought it was a stain so I soaked and gently rubbed the spot. I think the agitation rubbed off some of the brown pigment so the orange underneath saw exposed.

>>9536215
How come I've seen stuff online that's size 3 if there's no different sizes?

>>9536258
Anon doesn't know what they're talking about, size 3 is really large and some OP cuts are roomy too

>>9536274
So to answer my question, there ARE pieces which would fit a 95cm bust? Like, the only thing holding me back is my bust as my waist is definitely slim enough.

>>9536380
Yes, but it would be better to ask first about certain pieces if you're not sure. Stay away from JSKs unless they're size 3.

>>9536395
Yes, I just wanted to know if it'd even be worth it to search for something. Because everyone tells me that if I want to wear moitie I'd have to go with those ugly fullshirring abominations.

>>9535964
Good luck anon! I am myself looking for the BKN colourway and lowkey the solid black one

>>9536215
My bust is 81 and pre 2010 moitie is often borderline too big if not outright clearly huge on me. 82 is just their default bust size measurement, and doesn't actually reflect the measurements of individual dresses. Pre 2006-7 ish is often smaller, but still stuff like the Orchestra jsk which is a 2003 release was completely baggy on my torso, and measured 88-90cm bust.

>>9536445
It's worth looking if you have patience, a lot of it I think will be <90cm bust unless you can find the size 3.

>>9535352
I love her Moitie videos and I hope that she makes more. It's a shame that she doesn't wear most of them due to sizing because she is decent at coordinating. I would like to see her pieces worn because she has several rare pieces.

I wish the European diehard Moitie fans would create a Youtube channel.

>>9536445
Just buy skirts then, moitie always releases nice skirt cuts and then you can choose a nice blouse from another brand

>>9537186
No, I want a dress from moitie. It's like my holy grail, to own a dress from moitie as it was the first brand I knew. I wouldn't be able to take a skirt serious. Or if I had one, I'd still long for a dress

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>>9537112
Europe is full of Moitie itas judging from CoF and Tumblr, it's not a huge loss.

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So, what happened to this girl?

Tips on people to follow on IG?

>>9537657
Rosenocturnalia and Sorgevinter are the two I follow that seem to have the most Moitie.

>>9537311
Wtf, skirts are the best

>>9537657
Ventovir

>>9537689
I like them, but I want a dress and if I want a dress I won't be happy with a skirt even if I'd love the skirt (there's actually a dream moitie skirt) I'd still want a dress, because reasons! I want the ultimate mana feeling!

>>9537843
I admire your dedication, Anon.

>>9537689
Not if your waist is over about 24" lol

>>9537952
they have skirts bigger than that

>>9537952
Ok, I just checked some random older skirts on lolibrary and they're all waist 64cm so I guess it's just fine if you're slightly over 24'' (why you even use this system still it's so inaccurate)

>>9537527
She quit as far as I know.

>>9537311
??? A lot of the dress cuts are ugly or boring, I'd much rather have moitie prints in a skirt. I wish moitie would release better jsk and OP cuts but until then, I'll buy skirts

>>9537969
I have a 27'' waist and I fit holy queen comfortably

>>9537969
Plus they fit a bit bigger on the skirts I have, mine are about 68cm flat (size 2)

>>9538011
I don't like prints and especially the moitie ones are...not my thing. I love their plain pieces, they have the most romance, nostalgic, mana feeling to me.

>>9538017
Guess I can easily fit their skirts then

>>9537471
This is like my dream maternity dress. Everyone I've seen wear it looks like they're packing a small baby bump underneath.

Moitie & resale value, I just get so confused.
Most of the higher priced stuff don't seem to move at all.
How do you know you are asking the right price, without taking a huge loss?
Is it not as popular like it was 5+ years ago or are people just overpricing it?

>>9538883
thats what lolita looks like half the time

>>9538888
Moitie is one of those brands that people think never depreciates, so you'll see people asking what they paid for, and refusing to drop the price. It happens a lot with European Moitie fans, because most of them bought their stuff years ago, when it was ridiculously expensive and difficult to have stuff shipped from Japan. The pool for people actually willing to buy Moitie is also pretty small, so it takes a lot longer for pieces to sell when compared to the sweet market.

>>9538954
There's also not that much moitie desu. Even if nobody is buying an overpriced dress on lacemarket, it's the only one available right now.

Dear fellow Euro hardcore MmM fans. No one wants to pay the prices you did in 2010. /I/ don't want to pay those prices. I sold those damn white shoeclips for 12€ last year no one will pay 40 for them. Iron Gate skirt is not worth 600 USD, the jsk is. Basic dresses go for 80-120€ and those are the cold hard facts. I've lost money, lots of other sellers have lost money, that's just how it is. If no one buys your floral flocked jsk for 500€ lower the damn price.

>>9538888
I entered this thread after a trip to LM just for complaining about this

Dumping some pictures as well so my contribution to this thread is not just angry market talk

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fyi this is an altered blouse

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My favorite thing about Moitie is the lace they use. It's really high quality and pretty. I have a few pairs of their lace-top socks and they are so nice.

I guess maringo7207 on yahoo auctions just decided to clean her closet because she's selling a bunch of moitie dresses, like pic related, for 5500jpy, tough it's auctions they're ending quite soon. I hope someone brings those prettys to the Westen market.

Here you go
https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/seller/maringo7207
Highest one is 15000 with no bids

>>9539042
>Iron Gate skirt is not worth 600 USD

Well, the white skirt just sold for $600. Moitie has depreciated in value but not nearly as much as you seem to think.

>>9540082
Damn it did sell? I was thinking about the jsks up for 600 that took months to sell

>>9540082
Well I stand corrected on the IG issue but damn this hurts to look at

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Moitie unshirred stuff can be difficult to find measurements for, see the above convo with the anon with 95cm bust. All of their dresses are usually listed as 82cm bust but actually varies quite a bit irl, so even if you're not fat it can be uncertain whether you fit or not.

Skirts and the shirred stuff always sells much more easily for that reason.

>>9539192
>all these Moitie sales suddenly
It's like the floodgates opened all at once after a drought and I simply don't have enough for all I want.

>>9539196
I got my long-time dream dress for 20,001 JPY, which isn't a bad price. Quite pleased since I panicked last-minute when it went up that high ten minutes before the auction ended and set my max bid to 26,000. Don't know if I was bidding against a gull or not.

My dream is to twin this coord in the V&A but I don't know if it'll happen, since I don't really care for the Moitie bat bag that much.

>>9539192
Those auctions were great; I ended up winning pic related for a very low price. I was also bidding on that gorgeous bustle-back JSK, but it ended up going too high for me to justify both. Congrats if a gull got it! (and also sorry because we were the only bidders running it up)

>>9538888
Market oversupply. It used to be hard to get stuff in the west so the price was high. Now there are so many secondhand pieces, even moitie, that everything depreciates by about half besides accessories

>>9542086
Who ended up getting the Gathered Side Cross OP? Could you maybe post some pictures here when you get it?
>>9542072
Congrats! I was eyeing that one. It's really gorgeous. How often have you seen it go up for auction?

How much is Holy Queen worth these days?
The BlackxSilver jsk in particular.

>>9542148
Not too much help, but I sold my bk/slv skirt for $175 last year. It sold in about a week.

>>9542148
I think it's more grey than silver but it's still their best print imo

>>9542104
AFAIK I've either seen it once or never but I never used to check that often because I only started being able to afford Moitie this year. I couldn't find any info on the true size though so I might end up having to sell it on if it's really 82cm bust.

>>9542756
I've had bad luck with that cut running really small in Moitie, but I don't think 82cm small, more like 84-86 as the max.

>>9542404
Do you have the print? I really love the artwork, but was so disappointed when I got mine because of how terrible the print quality was. It was fuzzy and faded looking, unlike any other prints I've had from them.

>>9542785
Yes, mine isn't faded looking at all, but definitely more grey than white. I don't know why it's not called black x grey.

>>9542785
I'll have to see how it is when it arrives. I'm above 90cm right now but I was 86 a while ago and 84 a year ago so it's probably manageable at the right time of month.

>>9542756
Do you mean this JSK? You should have asked here first. Out of the 50-60 Moitie dresses I've owned, it's by far the smallest at a max bust of 32" or less than 81.5 cm. Maybe you can wear a corset or something if you're close to that?

>>9543539
Holy crap that would be skin tight on me after a blouse, I've never seen that outside MM or VM.

>>9543539
Haha, shit. I didn't ask because I didn't want to draw more attention to the auction. I'll have to see when it arrives, I guess.

>>9544191
Hope it works out for you, anon. If not, I'll look at your sale.

>>9543539
Oh man, would have bid if I'd known. Most strapless stuff is hopeless on me and just slides down if I don't pin it to my blouse.

Speaking of sizing, anyone know the true size of this bad boy from the sale? Website says 82cm as usual but it's apparently got back shirring.

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How big do the shirred print OP's run
(Max bust?) Please help, none of my secondhand is selling even at a loss, so I don't want to buy

>>9545616
I just checked on my Ritual Print JSK and I would say the max is about 104cm. I think as far as appearance goes 96~98cm would be the max, but if you want to stretch it then it can accommodate. For reference I have a 90cm bust and it looks fantastic worn; not stretched looking at all and is very comfortable.

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>>9547527
Oops, sorry, just saw you said OPs. I've had shirred Moitie OPs that are basically the same cut and I think those measurements would still apply.

>>9545616
Mine seem to max out around 100cm give or take, so same as what the other anons have said.

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>>9548027
Man this is the only dream skirt I ever had and back when they had it up on cd Japan i was still a poorfag high school student and I have no idea for how much it'd go these days or if my fatty 68cm waist could fit

>>9547527
What colourway do you have of Ritual? I'm obsessed with the ivory and I can't find any good worn pictures

>>9548149
Sorry anon, I've got black, not ivory.

>>9548096
The last times I saw it for sale it went for around $150-200 iirc? But that seems oddly cheap to me.

I got mine on y!j auctions for about $40 USD but that was definitely a lucky find.

>>9548322
Why tf is second hand moitie so expensive? (Don'treply I know why)

Wouldn't be willed to spend more than 80$ on it though.

I went to fururun for the first time and got this for $157. I am so hyped to wear this!

>>9548322
I've seen it go cheaper; highest I've ever seen is 14000 on auction.

>>9548096
I have a 69-70 cm waist and I can /wear/ it, but it's not comfortable. It might be more bearable at 68 for you.

This beauty came in today. I'm in the process of moving, but I can post some side by side comparison photos with the black x blue skirt in a week or two, if anyone is interested.

>>9552254
I'm interested anon, hmu.

How much do you think pic related goes for? Is it rare?

>>9539117
One day I hope I can own one of their lace top socks. I just got my first Moitie OP in the other day and it's so beautiful with the lace.

Bumping with high res photos of such dress.

>>9556117
I'm on the hunt for older Moitie dresses now, socks and some blouses. I only owned their EGA stuff until recently.

>>9556120
Last photo of the little Ms on the lace.

>>9556117
There's a few on Mercari right now, anon!

>>9556117
Thank you!

Are Moi-dix-Mois interviews always this dry or is it just the interviewer and translation?

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/interview/moidixmois

This dress is on its way to me! I'm so excited. I wanted it ever since I saw it in GLB.

>>9556447
Haven't clicked the link but foreign interviews with visual kei bands always feel awkward

Has anyone been to a Moi-dix-Mois live in the past five years? It seems like less and less pictures of Mana are released (outside of heavily-photoshopped brand spreads) and I'm really curious what he looks like now, since he must be 43-47 now.

Has anyone else ordered the Neo Gothic Arches OP? Mine just came in today and it's enormous on me. Like I haven't had a problem with any of Moitie's other (size 2) full shirring pieces, but the fabric under the elastic bands doesn't even touch my skin at the waist. Chest is a bit big too IMO but I don't exactly have huge tits so whatever.

>>9562957
I've ordered, but still waiting for it to ship. I'll report back once I get it!

>>9562957
What is the flat measurements?

>>9533894
underrated feel

>>9563030
Laid it out and got ~35cm across the waist elastic, ~41cm between the side seams right under the armpits, and ~30cm across the lace trim on top of the chest :(

>>9563799
41cm chest means it's 82cm bust like stated right?

>>9564356
Yep. Their site didn't have waist measurements so I guess I just assumed it wouldn't START at ~70cm waist, especially because the JSK is listed with a waist of 63-74cm.

Anyway, now the short JSK is sold out so I guess I'll just Suffer.

>>9563799
About how big will it stretch, I might try to get it if it will fit but my bust is 96...

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>>9556120
Alastair is that you? if it is you have the fucking best coords

>>9564926
Just set my dressform to 96cm bust and threw it on. Was a bit annoying to get over the shoulders but bodies are squishier than mannequins so I think you'll be fine. Please excuse shit lighting in pic related.

>>9531532
Horrible

>>9565100
When did you order yours, and did you get a shipping confirmation email? I'm just getting worried that I haven't heard anything about mine.

>>9565100
I'm developing a mightier and mightier need for this dress....

>>9565100
I'm developing a mightier and mightier need for this... but the short JSK sold out. Mana why?

>>9566559
Order confirmation Jun 26, shipping confirmation Jul 9.

>>9566659
I really regret not getting the JSK now, but maybe it'll turn up in like 5 years, r-right...? I'm too short for long JSKs. Then again, I'm a sucker for white Moitie, so.

>>9567003
5 years and twice the price probably. Farewell cruel world, farewell.

>>9567003
Damn, I ordered the same day but it still hasn't shipped. any day now...

Also did people get anything from the WW sale? I'm salty that I just missed the Royal Gate OP for 33k.

>>9569124
Oh man, really? I've been eyeing up the three(!) bat bags they listed recently but I never really liked the design that much (yeah, I'm a bad Moitie fan) so I can't bear to spend $250 on it.

>>9566659
I wish I'd just gone for the black OP but it sold out while I was wavering between OP and JSK. Navy long JSK and white OP are still up.

>>9571046
I saw those bat bags, they're hella overpriced (said as someone who adores that design). I paid maybe half that for mine.

I don't really like all white or all navy, white is a disaster waiting to happen, and I try to limit the amount of Moitie blue in my wardrobe, I don't hate it but it's not ideal. Now it's my turn to be a bad Moitie fan, not loving the iconic blue.

>>9565100
Thanks!! If you sell I am definitely wanting this now

>>9571056
Ah, that's good to know! I've never really followed what they go for that closely since they're not a dream item (and the western market is saturated with the replica), but they're a perfect match for some of my items so I'm always tempted.

>>9571197
It's still available on the webshop anon.

>>9572293
Haha I always wanted one, but they always were too expensive or snapped up before you could blink. I got lucky and found two in the same weekend, for about $130 each I think? They were different materials and colors, which is how I justified both.... one day I'd love to get the real leather version from the dark ages, or a second black x black one because that goes with 90% of my closet.

>>9572318
Real leather version is definitely the one I'd lay down the cash for, seems like there's way less chance of a leather one having irreparable undisclosed damages like peeling as well. I'm more tempted by the Silent Moon bag that's up right now but I feel like that might be similarly overpriced (and I've always favoured the messenger bag design for it over this one):
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-27373

>>9572342
Yeah, if they were asking $200+ for the real leather version I'd be all over that. Or if they had the coffin bag that was released at the same time as the leather one. But I've never seen the coffin bag for sale. I will say that a lot of the bat bags are new enough (2010) that they aren't too likely to be peeling.

Oh and people were chatting upthread about storing the bat bags so they warp less/flatten out a bit, I've found stuffing them with newspaper and storing them on their backs works pretty well to flatten them a bit, especially if you flip them occasionally.

The silent moon bag is so pretty! I love Moitie single-color prints, they have so much character. I have this back and forth, do I love the screen prints or the dresses covered in custom lace more? They're both so amazing.

>>9572374
If we're talking bags, Table Ornament's bag is still up and on-sale and I'm dithering over getting the blackxblue. I have a lot of blackxblue Moitie and I don't like to wear crosses (difficult with Moitie) so I've never bought the bat bag or its replicas. The table ornament bag technically doesn't have any crosses on it but I feel like the table arrangement in the centre looks like a cross from a distance and I'm not sure if it's intentional? Not sure if I should just suck it up because I'm pretty sure every other bag Moitie released with a blue colourway except Iron Gate had obvious intentional crosses on it somewhere and this might be the best I'm going to get.

>>9572420
Bag discussions are good! There's some older ones without crosses, although they're generally not the solid feeling pleather ones, they're fabric so they might be navy velvet with white lace.

It doesn't look too much like a cross to me, but I have no aversion to crosses (crucifixes or saint imagrey however is a no-go, true rosaries as well). It must be really hard to avoid crosses though, if Moitie isn't putting them in the print then they're in the lace. Mana loves his crosses.

>>9572443
I don't mind very small/subtle ones, like in non-contrasting lace or a very small part of an architectural design or cityscape (like Silent Moon is just about OK) but I avoid stuff like >>9548345, >>9545474, >>9542148 or >>9543539. It's partly for my family's sake rather than my own, since I still live with them. It'd be easier to decide if I'd seen any worn photos of the bag but I haven't seen it pop up on Insta. I even checked Coordisnap and Wear and nada.

Mana sure loves his crosses, I can't get over how edgy this menswear release was.

Does anyone know the real name of pic related or can tell me under which name I find it on lolibrary?

>>9572499
The white's up on Tokyo Alice right now if it helps you decide. I do think it looks like a cross:
https://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/b01068/

Somewhat stupid question, but what is the lenght of Moitie's OTKs? I'm quite tall and wonder if they will look right.

>>9573302
Are you the person who just bought it? Without knowing what it is?

>>9578798
Jelly much? You don't have to know the name to like the dress. I don't know the name of half the shit I buy until I buy it.

>>9578788
I own https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-cross-arch-otks and https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-thorny-otks - just measured them worn; from heel to top of OTK I get 54cm.
Both stay up nicely even when worn for several hours. Hope that helps.

>>9533614
>>9533632
I remember her from the lj days. Does she still wear lolita? Used to love her coords.

>>9537484
also her

>>9578788
Moitie OTKs are some of the longest I've ever had. I'd measure them for you but I'm not home right now, but at 5'9 they go over my knees easily and stay there. They're the best.

>>9578798
No, I didn't. But I intended to.

>>9562957
Anyone else still waiting for Cdjapan to ship theirs?
They were supposed to ship by mid July but it's almost the end of July.

>>9533688
What about the IG boston bag? I have one and would like to sell it, but have no idea about the current value of it. It's the black x silver version.

>When did you start liking Moitie?
As soon I first found lolita, say 2009-ish? I saw Iron Gate (obviously kek) and fell in love.

>What is your favourite dress/skirt/print/item from Moitie?
I love their solid items a lot, shame they are still so expensive because I would to have a wardroube full of plain Moitie. My favourite print... honestly I love all of their prints, maybe holy stained glass? My favourite peice that I own is the cross and roses OP, its so comfy and versitle. >>9548345 Have fun wearing it!


>What is your favourite Moitie coord?
I dont have once specific favourite, but pic related really stands out to me, its my favourite Moitie shot/spread (I thought I had the orginal on my computer but I could only find this edit). Anything simple and oldschool with big poofy hair is perfect to me.

>>9537470
>>9537483
>>9542072
are 10/10

Moitie is the ultimate lolita brand to me, so iconic. Their dresses are simple, delicate and cute whilst still being dramatic and gothic. To me thats perfect and what lolita should be. No other brand can do what they do. Im finally going to Japan this october and knowing that I can't visit the store makes me cry real goth tears. I dont wear lolita as much as I used to, but moitie is what what made me discover western goth and Im always torn between the two. But when I see moitie I makes me remember why I feel in love with lolita in the first place. I sold a lot of my other brand and I want to build up my moitie collection a bit more when I visist japan.

Also they have the best lace and that makes them superior. Gothic lolita is master race

>>9535401
Amazing coord!

>>9537672
Seconded, Rosenocturnalia has some fucking great coords.

>>9579727
So Cdjapan basically just replied to say that Moitie hasn't given them an estimate on when they can ship Neo Gothic arch.
Next time I'll just buy direct from Moitie, not a fan of how Cdjapan just keeps brushing my enquiries off. Isn't it normal
to just give an update on delays before people have to chase?

>>9582174
Nonny that's Japan. It's embarrassing to say there was a fuckup so they don't. I'm sure you'll get the dress eventually. Although I totally understand the frustration and would be also.

>>9582184
Oh they finally shipped it so it's not so bad. I'm looking at simple and polished coords with Moitie for inspiration now.
Pic related is my one of favourite coords.

Just got this in the mail and the bust fits me fine even though it was listed at 82cm. I'm at least 88cm so I guess buying size 2 in the future shouldn't be a problem.

I'm really looking forward to coording this!

Anyone have any idea how long Moitie "high socks" are? I checked every past listing I could find on Lacemarket and not a single seller had given measurements, and the lolibrary page doesn't list it either. Really curious about whether they'd be knee high-on me, barely able to go OTK because I'm short, or would end up as weird calf-high things.

I've loved reading through this thread. Moitie will always be my favorite!

Maybe you guys can help. I'm trying to place the year of my bat bag (roughly), if anyone has info. The most noticeable difference between mine and stock photos, is mine only has the logo charm on the main compartment and the back zipper is plain. The material is pretty solid and not very soft, is it possible it's an older version? I bought it second hand a few years ago.

>>9589679
The material looks like synthetic/faux leather, which Moitie has used on a couple Bat Bag releases, according to lolibrary 2000 and 2010. The 2000 version is pretty sparse on pictures, so it may or may not have the back charm.

Bear in mind however that the Nylon variation of the bat bag from 2004 does have the coffin charm on the back (unless I'm remembering mine wrong, I can't check ATM), which means the 2000 edition might as well. So it's possible the charm on the back was removed or knocked off somewhere. Really it's a toss up unless you can find a product number.

>>9587501
Oh man, I've had this for ages but still can't come up with an interesting coord! What sort of looks were you thinking of trying with it?

>>9587499
She needs to stop with the lip injections

>>9589781
I was thinking of just going old school with it actually, something simple with a white blouse and black x white otks.

I'm not really innovative

>>9589758
Another anon puzzling about that bag; where would the label with the product number be? Mine (faux leather, bought second-hand) doesn't have a label.

It's also missing the stamp on the back above the back zipper, but has the coffin charms.

>>9589758
Thanks for the input! I thought it may have fallen off too, but unless someone went through the trouble of replacing it seamlessly with a plain zipper pull, I doubt it. If it's to match the main zipper, the charm IS the zipper pull, so if it fell off, there wouln't be anything left.

>>9591311
Same. No tags beyond the brand label. I was kind of hoping to find out what material my bag is. I'm shit at discerning real leather from faux in this case. Does mine look similar to yours in texture?

>>9591402
You're right, that is interesting! Moitie is really poorly cataloged, there might be a release lacking the back charm. I'm actually doing some digging because I'm intrigued. The texture of yours looks like my black x navy, which praise be was released only once and in one material type, which is why I think it's faux leather.

>>9591311
Digging for you too, hopefully something can be found.

>>9565100
nayrt, but I have a 96 cm bust as well and generally give up on Moitie dresses due to the all over the place measurements. bless you.

>>9591402
I just checked mine, the material looks similar to yours: very smooth, fine "pores", very regular pattern. I assume mine's faux because of the price. I paid around 180 USD or so, and the real leather version cost over 40000 Yen according to lolibrary.

>>9591432
Thank you for your help!
To be honest, I am a bit worried that it's a replica because the stamp is missing. Also I noticed the coffin zipper differs from the ones seen e.g. here
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-blue-cross-bat-hand-bag and here
http://rosenocturnalia.blogspot.co.at/2015/05/review-loris-cross-bat-bag-review-moi.html

While those seem to be stamped in, on my bag zippers the logo and brand name is a relief.

>>9591637
I just looked up the 2004 nylon edition, and it has the same zippers as yours. Most likely they changed the zippers for the 2010 release. The bat bag replicas were all from the early era when replicas were much more easily spotted, the lining wasn't even blue as far as I know. You're unlikely to get scammed with one. More than likely yours is one of the early releases, probably 2000. It's really frustrating that I'm away from my collection so I can't compare my 2010 bag to my 2004 bag.

Price secondhand means very little with Moitie, I've gotten a dress that was ¥58000 when it was new for only about ¥10000. Sometimes you get very lucky, especially with the Japanese market so it could be real leather. Thanks for the zipper pictures though, that actually helps a -ton-. Devil is in the details after all, especially with MmM.

>>9591637
Mine has the same charm, with the raised logo! They are definitely authentic. Other Anon was right, the fakes made of this bag are pretty generic and lacking most major details.

>>9591432
I really can't tell with mine. The raw edges are frayed and it passes the nail test, which are characteristics of leather, but I think the overall stiffness of the design throws me off and makes me think it's the faux leather release that you mentioned. I know this is a silly thing to think about so much, but I love the mystery behind older pieces.

Thank you both!

>>9591928
It would be interesting to know if your 2004 bag has the stamp on the back (or not, like mine); if you happen to think of it when you're back with your collection, maybe you could check?

You are right about second-hand marked prices often being random, it's just that I usually don't get that lucky.


>>9592254
I'll ask a friend of mine who works with leather a lot if she can tell the difference. I don't see her that often though, so it will take a while.

I too love looking up these details to find out when a piece has been made, it's part of the fun when collecting things!

I also love this particular bag very much; it's iconic and it goes with so many dresses, also outside of gothic lolita.

Requesting coords of Sugar Rose since they were deleted from blog/lj

>>9592254
I totally understand the appeal of a good mystery, I've got my own mystery OP from Moitie. From searching the product number I've estimated that it's from 2003 or so, and I've found dresses of similar cuts in that era, but never the exact dress. Amazingly enough that's one of the only dresses I own that I have minimal info on.

Hm. If I had it in hand and could compare it to mine it would be so much easier to tell the material.

>>9592377
My 2004 bag doesn't have the stamping since it's the nylon edition (impossible to stamp that material). I have a strange affection for it, I got it in pretty used condition but damn if it isn't cute (pic related is mine).

I agree that this particular bag is amazing and goes with everything. I'm currently fine-tuning a coord with a velour Meta OP and this bag.

Ok! Some findings. So far, assuming accuracy of blogposts and such, the only bat bag editions I'm finding without the stamp above the back pocket is the nylon and the suede. I found a 2009 post from CC Shinjuku (http://blog.livedoor.jp/closetchildshinjyuku/archives/51098559.html)) with what they're calling a leather bat bag, missing the back zipper but with the stamping.

As far as the zipper goes, it seems to be an old incarnation. If you look at the Loris replica review page, she shows a tiny snap of the leather bat bag, which seems to have the same. So if you have that zipper it likely means your bag is older.

>>9592377
I buy vintage designer, so I've had to check if something is leather or not often. This wiki-how has most of the methods I use: http://m.wikihow.com/Identify-Genuine-Leather

I usually just smell it, desu.

NOTE: the water method may stain the leather and the fire method will ruin PU, so proceed with caution.

Does anyone have experience with non-shirred long OPs and regular length JSKs? A lot of the stock measurements are missing, so I was wondering if someone could measure theirs. I want more Moitie, but my waist is 70 cm and I've already learned I can't fit their skirts.

>>9592775
I have some that fit my 71cm waist with enough room for a blouse

>>9592600
Thanks, I will check out the different methods.

Does leather never lose its smell though?

>>9593814
Not in my experience. It can deminish, but it's always there.

>>9593830
No scent of leather, so the bag does seem to be faux. Well at least it's authentic.

>tfw you will never be sacrificed to Mana on a Moitie counter

can I have a show of hands of who would willingly be killed as a virgin sacrifice in a black magic ritual to revive the brands' fortunes?

>>9597884
If they also started giving out real-life max measurements of their garments, I'd think about it.

>>9591637
>>9591928
Interesting to add, I can't find the suede bat bag on lolibrary but it also had the 2010 stamped-in logo:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-27368

at least someone is buying moitie. God I wish there were more gothic lolita youtubers. https://youtu.be/c7u6vgAM0VY

>>9599758
She obviously puts so much effort into her presentation, her outfits, her videos. I feel genuinely bad for her that she doesn't have a more aesthetic appearance. Maybe she's happy with herself. Either way I'm glad she's contributing to the community with videos like this.