/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I hate feel threads.

>>9473104
The old one isn't in autosage yet, delete this and make another thread later

>>9473104
This is a slow board, it takes longer for threads to go into autsage. Why didn't you just wait?

>>9473109
>>9473112
Oh my god guys, it was 6 posts away when this was made, now it's 2. Saying "delete this" is fucking dumb.

>>9473132
>>9473112
>>9473109
Not OP, but the other thread is officially in autosage after only 20 minutes of this being up. Just like what happens every time someone makes one of these threads a few posts before autosage and people feel the need to shit up the new thread with criticism that they didn't wait until three fucking posts later. Happy now?

>>9473142
No.

I think most of my comm is part of weeb subculture and not lolita subculture

Can you even delete threads after people have replied?

...Anyway... I think when AatP does sweet, it's better than AP or Baby.

>>9473104

>kodona doesn't look good on female-aligned individuals/cis women
>brolitas should be more of a thing
>twins should not only wear similar dresses, but also have similar faces and hairdo

>>9473179
>kodona
Stopped reading there.

AaTP should be downgraded from a brand due to how far they've fallen. The quality of their garments is terrible and all they make nowadays are lesser quality Baby releases and shitty clipart prints.

>>9473186
As someone who buys something new from AatP and BtSSB almost every month, I don't know what you're talking about? Both of them have increased in quality the past couple years, if anything, and neither is worse that the other. They use the same materials and techniques for both. I think your observations must be based on a smaller pool of examples.

I hate these rabbit-jumpershorts

>>9473179
>kodona ONLY looks good on female-aligned individuals/cis women
fixed that for you

AP should stop releasing pastel x black prints, it's fucking ugly
Sweet lolita in black looks weird unless it's old-school
I have serious issues with how cosplay has become conflated with sexy but doesn't everyone?

>>9473179
>cis
>Female-aligned
And back to Tumblr with you and your gender nonsense.
Imo men look bad in ouji most of the time unless they're clean shaven and effeminate looking.

>>9473104
supercarly always came off as a total creep to me, like how can you feel comfortable with yourself making videos like that...

I think it's sad that the lolita community has barely any make-up tutorials because people love to criticise people's technique on anon (like what happened with Kate, I know people hate her anyway and her application wasn't great, but it's better than most lolitas I've seen IRL yet people acted like it was awful). I wish there were more easy resources to direct newbies to because a lot of them are terrible at doing lolita-appropriate make-up but it's hard to find Western videos for looks other than the OTT sweet trend from 5 years ago.

>>9473286
>Kate
>application wasn't great
She unevenly smeared foundation on her face, caked on mascara and lashes, and used lip gloss to stick glitter on her face and wig. It wasn't just bad application, it was repulsive.

>>9473250
>AP should stop releasing pastel x black prints, it's fucking ugly
>Sweet lolita in black looks weird unless it's old-school

>>9473314

>contouring always looks like shit in lolita and takes away from the cute round-faced look
>only acceptable for fat girls or goth looks where looking skelly would add to it

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, I would have guessed popular but a lot of girls in my comm use heavy Western contour for everything.

>>9473353
Subtle nose contour is great for lolita IMO, it's cheekbone contour which starts to look nasty.

>>9473353
Contouring looks like shit in general

Another makeup-related opinion: I hate it when white girls try to emulate Asian makeup trends. On most of them (there are exceptions, but they're rare), it doesn't look good on their face shapes. Not a fan of instagram makeup either, but I think there should be a happy medium, such as the minimalist looks by Glossier, Milk makeup, etc.

>>9473107
I haven't been in any for about a year now. Are they the usual "weeh my bf is doing things i don't like" "dump him" "no i love him"?

>>9473245
Well this is the unpopular opinion thread. One of you are in the wrong place.

>>9473360
>I hate it when white girls try to emulate Asian makeup trends.
Fuck, this. I've seen so many white girls doing aegyo sal or that undereye blush thing and it looks so strange.

Tealength dresses are not Lolita. Neither are salopettes or floor length dresses. Idgaf what substyle you wear.

>>9473373
I agree, especially on the salopettes part

>>9473366
Lately they keep being deleted due to /pol/ invasions, whiny male trolls and people handing out tips on camming.

>>9473373
Nor are dresses like Dream Sky. I fucking love that series, but it is straight up not lolita.

>tea parties are kind of ugly
>blunt bangs ruin certain face shapes
>it would be awesome to have a heathers themed meet where you triplet a dress with a red, yellow, and green colorway, have a goth Veronica and an OTT 'big fun' coord for Martha, and just watch a cult movie

>>9473301
Look at her makeup now though I would love a tutorial on what she does. She's improved immensely and even agrees that she did a shit job and didn't know what she was doing

>>9473410
>it would be awesome to have a heathers themed meet where you triplet a dress with a red, yellow, and green colorway, have a goth Veronica and an OTT 'big fun' coord for Martha, and just watch a cult movie

I would love this as a meet theme

>>9473403?
How is the full series not lolita?

>Fluevog shoes look retarded in lolita

Caravaggios are fine though, I just think that 99 % of their shoes aren't suited for lolita and I don't get the hype for them, especially their pointed styles are fucking ugly and ruin many otherwise fine gothic coords.

Sack dresses are cute (on girls with the figure for it). Fight me.

>>9473451
You mean super thin, petite, flat girls? I don't think sack dresses look good on any other body type. I also think big boobs look bad in lolita and I know some butthurt anon with cowtits is going to get mad at me for saying that

>>9473489
>big boobs look bad in lolita
that's not unpopular at all lol

>>9473245

transphobic little cunt

>>9473252
back under your bridge, patriarchy whore

>>9473512
Red shirts only look good on people with dark hair
>OH MY GAWD YOU REDHEADPHOBIC CUNT

Back to tumblr with (You)

>>9473252
>Imo men
Men without facial hair exist. Trans guys existed before Tumblr decided to carve out a space for minorities and help build a respectful environment. Not sure what's the point of your hatred for an already hated group that has nothing to do with your own life. Just jump off a cliff if you can't deal with people respecting others and if it breaks your tiny brain that genitals don't equal gender/people are more than a reproductive organ.

>>9473516
slow.clap.bmp

>>9473286
there are a ton of make-up tutorials in GLB but ok

Lolita looks retarded on ugly people, in a way that no other clothing style really does. Fat people don't look much worse in lolita than they already do out of lolita, but lolita makes ugly people look about a thousand times worse.

>>9473537
Agree

>>9473531
I meant video tutorials and I specified Western looks, the tutorials in the G&LB are shitty and difficult to follow and aimed at Asian faces. There are a lot of Asian make-up tutorials for lolita but it's hard for me to point white newbies at them because a lot of the eye make-up techniques don't work the same.

>>9473104
Drama in the lolita comm isn't cool, pretty or edgy, just plain annoying
Not being up for drama isn't weak
The perfect lolita is polite and strives to be a good person instead of a diva
A proper lolita's behavior matches her appearance

>>9473542
>proper Lolita's behavior matches her appearance
Holy smokes, look! A real unpopular opinion!

>>9473521
How's this for an unpopular opinion:
Sex is immutable, trans "men" are women because you can't change your sex, a woman is an adult human female, facial hair isn't kawaii and looks bad in ouji

>>9473546
But you CAN change your sex if you've got the money for it.

>>9473549
Nah mate. Sex is determined at conception. You can't change it. It's a biological reality. A woman taking synthetic testosterone is still a woman, just like a woman with PCOS is still a woman
An inverted penis is not a vagina, just like a bar of soap carved into the shape of a butterfly isn't a butterfly
Back to Tumblr, gendershit

>>9473557

You're so hurt that not everyone is as narrow minded as you. I pity you.

>>9473562
Informing someone of a fact in a nonchalant matter makes someone "hurt" now? Odd.

I hate these threads because nothing good comes out of them and everyone turns into a premium salt truck.

>>9473557

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2e/72/f7/2e72f7205afe644f4a7306e52a40ce69.jpg

This is my favorite woman then

>>9473573
Just take your butthurt back to Tumblr where people will validate your delusions and leave our thread alone

>>9473562
>fact

>>9473578

It's fun to ruin your bigot party, so no. Also, my opinion seems to be made for this thread, so how about you take your butthurt back to one of the threads you're welcome in

/cgl/ has a worse attitude than /r9k/

>>9473557
You care a lot about other people who are minding their own business. Please love yourself.

>>9473591
They're not minding their own business when they got title iv changed to say gender identity instead of sex, taking away women's sex based protections.
They're not minding their own business when they're shiftng the risk of them being assaulted in bathrooms onto little girls who now will have to share them with men
They're not minding their own business when they're trying to silence women talking about their own female biology and reproductive rights
They're not minding their own business when they try to force lesbians to sleep with men because they're hurting male feelings if they don't

>>9473600
>with men

Lol.

>>9473600
Just get out, radfem. Your blood pressure seems dangerously high right now. Don't forget to drink water, either. Please stay safe.

>>9473537
This definitely depends on the substyle and the definition of "ugly"

For example a really long nose or masculine features would look different in gothic than in sweet

>>9473603
A man is still a man, no matter what hormones he takes or surgery he has or what he's wearing. It's called science and common sense

>>9473600
I'm waiting for you to post the opinion that black people shouldn't wear lolita because social justice seem to be so appalling to you and this is a thing you overlooked in your bigot rant. You're welcome.

>>9473600
>citation needed everywhere

>>9473617
Did you dislocate your shoulder with that reach?
>>9473618
Prove to me you can change your sex

>>9473600
>weh my feelings matter most!

>>9473569
Quarantine, anon

>>9473581
That's not unpopular it just hasn't pointed out because we already know

>>9473622
I see, you're going to dodge anytime someone asks for sources because you have none. Nice chit chatting.

>>9473628
>weh male feelings are more important than women's rights and safety!

>>9473600
>little girls who now will have to share them with
Seconded, that's the main motivation behind being a trans girl: to rape little kids in bathrooms. All the misgendering and mockery and invalidation is worth a price to peek at a cis titty or pee in a cabin next to other women. Really, you got me; this is what's being a trans girl is all about. Just raping kids, lesbians and confusing some die-hard cavemen. The lesbian bit also applies to straight trans girls. Because it's not about leading a happy life, it's entirely about pissing cisgender people off.

>>9473633
transgender-harms-women.tumblr.com
knock yourself out, gendershit

>>9473634
>>male feelings

>>9473580
>Bigot party
>Is actively being a bigot
You don't know what bigot means, the fact you're using it as an insult like how people use cuck non stop shows you're just a buzzword parroting fuck.

>>9473600
your so triggered

>>9473637
Women fought hard for sex segrated spaces. Why are you taking them away to validate your backwards idea of what being a woman is? A woman is an adult human female, a girl is an adolescent human female. That's the only requirement, and you are a man. You are male and and adult. Just accept it

>>9473600
I proudly present the radfem side of Tumblr, girls, gals and nonbinary pals!

>>9473649
>segrated

just go to bed, little anon

>Sweet looks like ageplay 99% of time

>>9473651
I don't have a Tumblr, project harder tumblrina
>>9473646
All liberals like to spam buzzwords they don't know the meaning of

>>9473634
What about with transmen? Are you saying "women's" rights aren't more important than a man's?

>>9473655
Lolita is age play as it's based on victorian children's clothes worn by adults and teens

Wew what a derailed thread...

I'm just coming here to say my unpopular opinion is that you shouldn't post non-photos on IG.
There's exceptions, but I hate when I want to look at cosplayers and search a tag for a character and it's mostly just unfunny shitposts or screencaps of said character. The whole app is based around photography, it's really annoying..

>>9473600
>They're not minding their own business when they're trying to silence women talking about their own female biology and reproductive rights
lol wut. My experience is that transwomen in general are our greatest allies when it comes to reproductive rights. Is the only transwoman you know Caitlin Jenner or something?

>>9473655
>>9473659
Ageplay is role-playing

>>9473663
Thanks.

>>9473658
Trans"men" are women
>>9473663
You're either trolling or delusional. They demand that we don't call abortion a woman's issue, when only woman can get pregnant, and that we center trans"women" in reproductive rights when men already have reproductive rights and demand that we call ourself dehumanizing terms such as "uterus bearer" and "bleeder" and "birthing parent". If we talk about our biology, we're "violent" and "transphobic" and "exclusionary" They also don't give a shit about women in the third world who don't have access to contraception or abortion by saying that the reason women are raped and other violence against them is committed because they """identify""" as women, and not because of their female biology

>>9473673
Men can get pregnant, too. Check out Henry Steinn or Thomas Beatie

>>9473677
A man cannot get pregnant. Men do not have uteruses. Did you not take sex ed in 4th grade or are you brainwashed to the point where you can't accept science?

>>9473673
You know that men, trans or not, get raped, too? Really, just go home, you're making yourself sick and start getting on my nerves with your hateful unrelated brain farts.

Can cgl ever be cured of it's tumblr shit? Or because cgl is mostly female that we gotta deal with all these cunts not accepting basic science.

>>9473681
Trans men (some of them) do have uteruses and some even choose to have babies. Why does it hurt you so much that men can have penises and vaginas and so do women and nonbinary people? It's literally none of your business who decides to become a mother or father, by using or not using (re: adoption) their bodies to achieve that goal.

>>9473691
You should realize when it's time to go. Also nice gendered slur, baby Trump.

>>9473685
A woman is not a man. Men get raped too, yes, but the overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by men against women, so of course the majority of anti-rape activism is by women for women. It's a male violence problem

>>9473512
>cunt
I feel like I only see this word from Australians and trans women, it's very weird. Just say 'bitch' like the rest of the world.

>inb4 'cunt cunt cunt' lol

>>9473697
>A woman is not a man
No shit

>>9473696
I just got here bitch, this whole thread is derailed and hilarious to read.

>>9473698
Bitch and cunt are both fun words.

>>9473694
If you have a uterus, it's a good sign you're a female, therefore, a woman. Back to Tumblr
>>9473696
You too, go back there too

I feel like a lot of people here have no perspective

>>9473701
Well Tumblr seems to think that women can be men if they "feel" like it

>>9473709
What gave it away

>>9473702
Here is your cookie for having contributed absolutely nothing of value

>>9473711
Only on Thursdays ands Mondays.

>>9473639
>'go back to tumblr gendershit'
>cites tumblr as source
You're a fucking retard holy shit lmao

>>9473711
why do you care so much, poor baby. please stay hydrated, crying can be very exhausting

>>9473719
Radfems always are

Thread derailed.
Someone prune it.

>>9473719
>blog linked is literally a list of news articles
Who's the retard now?
>>9473720
I care because I don't want kids growing up thinking their feelings trump science

>>9473729
You are the retard. And no matter how much you whine trans people will continue to gain more recognition and respect.

>>9473729
THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN

>>9473733
Until they turn 40 when they kill themselves.

>>9473735

Enjoy your ban.

>>9473735
More acceptance leads to longer life spans, sweet pea :^)

>>9473733
Trans people deserve respect and to live lives free of violence. They can dress however they want, I don't give a fuck. I however am not going to let them deny science and reality and take away women's sex based protections in the process. A man is still a man no matter what, and men don't belong in women's spaces

>>9473737
Not be surprised if most of us got banned in this thread man. It's wildly offtopic. You guys should've never got so rustled.

>>9473742
It's the fault of the stupid tumblrfag who said something about "cis" women

>>9473740
>A man is still a man
And a trans woman is a woman.

I like peignoirs.

>>9473744
I almost think the original post was baiting with the word Kodona.

>>9473745
No they're a "trans woman". They'll never be a biological woman, ever.

>>9473745
>being this dense
A man is an adult human male. Male = of the sex that creates sperm. A trans "woman" is a man.

>>9473740
>deny science
You realize that planet earth being flat and the rest of the planets revolving around it was "science" once, too? Science is man-made, and it changes all the time, save for mathematics.

>>9473410
that would be so fun!
no martha though
martha sucks ass

>>9473746
Me too, but not in lolita
>>9473747
I hope they get banned

>>9473745
>And a trans woman is a mentally ill man
Ftfy
I'm not going to argue body dysmorphia isn't real when it clearly is but feeding the delusions of the mentally ill isn't healthy, the usual example I use is that you wouldn't tell a skeletal anorexic that yes you do agree that they look fat but I know how gulls are

>>9473745
don't bother anon, cgl is full of transphobes and they just aren't worth arguing with

>>9473750
Biological sex is not a man made invention or social construct, if it was, it wouldn't apply to animals. Animals have and recognize biological sex. Stop being so wilfully obtuse.

>>9473747
If this is about the holy uterus, scientists are in the middle of making transplantation work for women who don't have one, trans women included. Who can, by the way, have vaginas in case this is the key to womanhood in your opinion.

>>9473757
Not that anon but you are conflating biological sex with gender. Gender is a social construct.

>>9473755
Trans people without body dysphoria exist

I don't get it either. Like I understand trans men and women. But then when people say clothing isn't gendered... then a trans man dresses up in girly clothing and gets mad when people don't use the right terms it's just like ??? I'm so confused.

>>9473759
You better re read that whole thing about the uterus transplants again if you think they'll work for man anytime soon. Trans women are not included in that at all.

>>9473765
>Trans people without body dysphoria exist
Lolno

>>9473761
No I'm not and you don't understand gender critical politics if you think it does. Man and woman refer to adult members of the male and female sexes, respectively. They aren't identities, they're facts. Biological sex determines reproductive role and is determined at conception in mammals. It is immutable. Gender is the idea you should look and act a certain way based on your sex. The solution isn't to move people to different gender boxes because they don't fit or to make more boxes, it's to get rid of the boxes and the idea men and women should look and act certain ways

>>9473759
A surgically inverted penis is not a vagina/vulva. Go look at some photos of some, they don't even resemble it

>>9473752
Well you could always be an edgy EGA JD instead

>>9473757
What about that species of toads that can change their sex if the community is has too many females or males?

I think tea parties are kind of stupid looking.

>>9473757
Animals have homosexual sex. Lesbian animal couples that have sex exist (lion couple). Gay animals raise young and even break up and show bisexual behavior by choosing a female mate this time (penguin couple). Stop embarrassing yourself. Sea horses also aren't the symbol of pregnant trans men for no reason.

>>9473780
Humans aren't toads, retard
Toads aren't even mammals
>>9473784
And how does this prove biological sex is a social construct?

>>9473781
I don't mind them because they can work with sweet, but I do hate how they've completely taken over the community as the default lolita shoe.

>>9473788
The only thing they ever post is that there are gay animals sometimes. They always do this.

Gender and sex are the same thing tumblr.

>>9473789
Same, I hate when I see them in classic outfits.

>>9473788
>Humans aren't toads, retard. Toads aren't even mammals
You said animals, not mammals. I was just saying that there are animals that can change their biological sex. Why not humans? We have the technology for it and science is evolving.

>>9473792
Sex and gender are different, but not in the way Tumblr thinks. Sex is man/male and woman/female. Gender is the idea women wear pink and like shopping, and men wear blue and like trucks.

Not sure if unpopular, but I think waist ties are a pain in the ass. A lot of the time they just look like a bulky mess.

>>9473795
Because mammals have their sex determined at conception, and it is not changeable. We do not have the technology for it. Humans reproduce sexually and are sexually dimorphic down to our home structure and the amount of tissue bonds in our skin. Stop denying science to fit your personal narrative

>>9473802
Science is evolving, doll.

>>9473812
I can tell you're a man by the way you type. You cannot change your sex. Accept yourself as a man. A girly man, maybe even a beautiful man. But still a man.

>>9473812
>gets plastic surgery and mutilates their genitals
>I'm a woman now I swear, please believe me

>>9473795
>there are animals that can change their biological sex. Why not humans?
The frogs don't necessarily choose to do it. Secondly, once they change their behavior and mindset also changes to female. But hey, let's go with your argument.

Sure, why not humans if technology allows it? In fact, why not change sexual orientation with future medicine so homosexuals don't have to live with their smaller dating pool and social stigma? Why not allow parents to correct gender dysphoria in the womb so their precious children can lead healthy, normal lives?

Mana is a massive dork.

>>9473819
He's an edgelord but I love him

>>9473814
I'm a transman, so thanks.

>>9473822
Oh same, he makes me swoon from his beauty and laugh from his dorky mannerisms

>>9473823
So a woman who hates being a woman. Welcome to the fucking club. Cal me in 5 years when you're detransitioned

>>9473795
>Thinking animals with the ability to shift organs to fit the needs of the colony have anything to do with human sex and gender
>Thinking anything besides mammals can even be remotely attached to human based sex and gender

You want to know how human's sexuality and gender identity would be without the mental constructs that man has placed on itself? Just spend a little time watching primates. THAT is nature.
Also from what I remember, only some primates and dolphins have sex for pleasure.
Primates are sex maniacs though, they'll fuck everyone/thing/way

>>9473823
Good luck changing your chromosome to match your new gender.

Maybe the mods haven't nuked this thread yet because they like watching bickering

>>9473843
To be fair it's quite the shitshow.

>>9473104
Seconding the part about the "mean girls" stereotype. I've never come across a community of girls who share a common interest but just fucking hate each other so much. Even high school wasn't this bitchy, and most of us are grown ass women.

>>9473847
>most of us are grown ass women.
I think this thread is proof that there are more than a few here that are just pretending

>>9473847
Anonmity will always lead to shit talking. It's not necessarily a lolita only issue

>>9473104
This place is like taking a time portal back to 2007. Outdated opinions, outdated memes (Nobody uses kek anymore) and the mods rampant banning and deletion seems to only further isolate this board from everywhere else.

>>9473828
I thought I was a man to you?

>>9473839
Good luck checking the chromosomes of every person you meet.

>>9473895
Chromosomal abnomalities, especially those of the sex chromosomes, with the exception XXX female and XYY male, come with serious problems that make the anomaly apparent, usually around puberty. Intersex people are not pawns in your agenda. Stop.

>>9473860
It's not /cgl/ alone, it's irl comms and crossover hobbies with weeb shit. 9/10 girls seem desperate to be queen bee and obsessed with tearing each other down in a way I've personally not seen in any other community or subculture. It's like they think they're on drag race. I'm sure it's out there in other hobbies too tho.

>>9473901
Not true. Some aren't apparent until the person tries to have kids.

Underskirts look really ugly most of the time, especially when fat lolitas use them.

>>9473911
Men with XXY syndrome are not women. They are men. Trans bullshit is unrelated to chrmosomal anomalies and intersex. Stop using it as an argument, it's invalid. If you have an active SRY gene ( usually on the y chromosome), you're male. Otherwise you're female. Sorry sister

>>9473915
I feel like you just came from the COF thread

Underskirts can be cute, don't let an AP print over one fool ya

>>9473931
Nayrt but I think they take away from the lolita silhouette and fat girls still shouldn't wear them

>>9473901
Not even that. If a trans person passes well enough, you'd have no idea they were even trans.

>>9473931
Nah, I just think they look extremely frumpy for the most part. Then some of them under up being floor length and dont look lolita at all.

>>9473895
>Is upset they can't change their chromosomes
>Argues that they don't matter in appearance

You're actually backing "It's on the outside that matters"

>>9473104
Mini hats are terrible. I've seen like 1 that was good, and 3 that were okay.

>>9473954
Agreed. Top hats can go to hell, too. They're stupid looking outside of aristocrat and even then if it's on a chubby guy it immediately looks dumb

>>9473943
Trans "women" almost never pass
Trans "men" have an easier time passing but a good deal still don't
You can tell someone's sex by looking at them about 99% of the time because humans are sexually dimorphic so we can tell the sexes apart, you know, for reproductive purposes. You're a woman, stop deluding yourself. You don't have to conform to the role expected of a woman or be feminine, but you're a woman

>>9473969
Holy shit we get it, you don't regard trans people as the sex they're identifying as. Got it, good to know, thanks for sharing. Please leave, you aren't going to change any minds here.

wow this thread is fucking retarded great job everyone

>>9473985
>spends all this time trying to convince people "it's" normal
>every argument empirically blown out
>oh my gawd no one cares even though I was the one that wouldn't shut up about it in the first place
You have to go back

>>9473985
You can't "identify" as a sex, dipshit, just like you can't identify as a race. You either are that sex or not, no mental gymnastics required

>>9473994
Fine, thank you for your opinion. >>9473993
I don't give a shit about people's take on trans in a cgl thread.

>>9473557
You can't fool Tumblr with facts.

>>9473990
They always are, honestly. /cgl/ shouldn't be allowed to have discussions.

>>9474001
>posts trans bullshit all over the thread and ruins it trying to convince people of your fucked opinion
>"it's not like i care"

>>9473410
A Heathers meet would be rad, but there are so many ways it could fall flat.

>>9474008
You caught me, I'm the lonely anon that's been talking about the trans bs. It is I alone, the only anon. The only one replying. The single shitposter.

Striped sock are ugly as sin.

>>9474015
I was replying too, but kinda just gave up. You can't argue with a brick wall.

>>9473757
My neighbors have a transgender chicken, if there's not a rooster in a group, one will start acting like the rooster, it gets bigger, crows, and does rooster shit. So dumb argument.

>>9474015
You probably are. Or /cgl/ is more brainwashed and Tumblr than I thought. This is why we need to drop the t from lgbt.

>>9474014
True.
>$30 burando scrunchie gets ripped off
>"there's a new sheriff in town"

>>9474020
>This is why we need to drop the t from lgbt.
/lgbt/ is already trying to, the lesbian general always gets overrun by these mentally ill men trying to shame women into being with them and giving out contact info

>>9473104
>Reads OP
>Assumes thread will be about "how good of a lolita you are is based not only on how well you coord, but how impressive your wardrobe is, how long you've been doing it, and how pretty your living surroundings are"
>Off topic shit instead
Way to go gulls.

>>9473489
>mfw cowtits anon
You're really not wrong.
I do what I can senpai.

Underskirts only look good on rare occasions.
Bonnets look baby-ish, even in classic or goth.

>>9474040
feeeeeeeemales from tumblr can't stop taking the bait

I hate all the high waisted cuts AP has been pushing out, I miss their normal waist cut dresses with border prints instead of the all over prints they've been doing. I like the expansion on themes and fabric types though.

>>9474066
What's high cut to you? Natural waist or more like empire waist? I personally hate dropped waist cuts, they make most people look really disproportionate. And empire waists. They make you look pregnant

>>9473321
Sorry you were too poor when sugary carnival in black was popular.

>>9474063
I still don't understand how /cgl/ manages to bait itself so easily. Unless we have a constant influx of newfags.

I think crossplay is a good word to explain what you're doing and if it's done well also shows off your skill

I hate that artists in the artist alley always follow trends and thus cause the entire area to be consumed in large swathes of maybe five fandoms.

Speed dating at conventions is one of the worse events and the only way I would actually join into that would be if I was wearing a fucking quadsuit so someone would have to talk to a fucking unicorn/horse/dog for 2 minutes while my foamed covered ass barely hangs on the seat.

>>9474070
Empire waists, I really don't like them in APs recent releases at all. I think they look cute with some prints but holy hell does damn near every releases need to be empire waisted? Totally agree about the dropped waists, too.

>>9474073
>implying I'd waste my money on that dress

I think Sugary Carnival is overrated.

>>9474083
it's probably a combo of:
>gulls not being able to control themselves
>newfag influx

you can see this on /ck/. it's pretty much awful after that tumblr blog started up and no one should have tried to continued that thing after the original stopped.

Lolita is overrated and I wish other jfash was popular

>>9474093
Don't you have some old men to please gyaru slut

>>9473655
>For those who spout this off every five minutes, they look 100000% nastier with how they sexualize a huge part of lolita (including harming minors in the process and therefore ruining it for everyone in the fashion) and they come across as beyond pathetic since they claim to like lolita in the first place

Building a foundation on shit will get you nowhere.

>>9474097
Are you okay? I think you've had too much salt today

>>9474090

>>9473423
nayrt but my dream sky skirt barely fits a $15 leg avenue pettie underneath it... the best dream sky coords tend to be rooted in fairy kei because it just doesn't really fit the lolita aesthetic

>>9473489
>You mean super thin, petite, flat girls?

You mean the people lolita was made for and the only people who truly suit the fashion? Yeah.

>>9473423
Dat silhouette. Dat length.

Pretend for a minute that AP didn't come out with it and make that cut popular. Pretend it was a random Taobao brand. Still lolita to you?

>>9473489
How big is too big? I'm 32DD, but they're not that massive.

>>9474121
I mean, lolitas have been stereotyped as chubby by Japanese standards since the beginning and brands like Meta, AP and MAM designed their older stuff with that in mind, it's a massive exaggeration to say lolita was always made exclusively for really thin girls.

If you can't be thin and cute then you shouldn't even try, nothing is going to look good on you anyway

>>9474084
>I think crossplay is a good word to explain what you're doing and if it's done well also shows off your skill
What do you mean by this?

>>9474143

>>9474143
How is that unpopular?

>>9474152
Basically:
>crossplay tells the viewer that you are trying to cosplay as a character of the opposite sex
>If you only said cosplay, the view might just go "oh look at this character" instead of going "woah, that's a grill/guy/insert something else?" and doesn't show off your ability to change your body

kinda like if an artist did a photorealistic painting and didn't say it was a painting so everyone just thought it was a photograph and didn't think much of it

>>9473542
I agree with you there. It's pretty irritating to see lolitas in ironic poses of ahegao, gang signs, slav squats, and the like.

Why even dress up in a faux victorian doll style? Why not just dress like the common garden hoe that you act like?

>>9474097

>>9474174
Because the contrast of the fashion and the behavior is amusing to some people

>>9473373
I can sort of understand the salopettes and floor-length. I feel like salopettes (while I find them ugly as sin) belong more in a fairy-kei category. Floor length is much better saved for other fashions as well.

But tea-length things have been around since, like, the beginning. They're really popular, especially with brands like VM and JeJ. Idk that just feels too broad to knock knee length to tea length as "too long" for lolita

>>9474142
Chubby by japanese standards is very, very different from chubby by american standards, anon. They're still made for small girls with small shoulders and chests.

>>9473569
I hate these threads because the ugly in everyone comes out immediately, trolling or not.
It's always stuff like "Anyone over 100 pounds shouldn't be alive upupu~" or "(X) girls are too ugly for lolita" and then samefagging with "agreed."

It just feels slightly unnecessary, like people are just way too eager to put in "unpopular" opinions on something only vaguely related to lolita.

Hotgluing your costume together can be okay in certain conditions

I think it's completely fine for people to keep in piercings and keep their glasses on in cosplay.

>>9474174
I hate to break it to you, but the ones doing it probably don't give a shit. Finding humor in stuff doesn't mean you have to dress a certain way.

>>9474212
Now these triggered me and truly are unpopular opinions

>>9474193
>tfw man shoulders and nothing fits correctly
why me
I have a man jaw too but at least I can hide that with my hair or wig

>>9474174
You take back the slav squat diss.

Most people in cosplay should be wearing makeup

>>9474225
Yeah I'm fucking blind without my glasses and can't afford contacts so you can eat my entire ass if you think I'm gonna spend all Con stumbling around blind

>>9474193
It's still not "super thin" though unless Americans have some fucked-up definition of super thin I'm not aware of, there's old school that goes 95-100cm and girls in old snaps and even brand ads who would be considered slightly chubby by UK standards.

>>9473936
nayrt but i think fat girls shouldn't wear lolita. period.
curvy or plump? sure. fat? fuck off. go be fat somewhere else.

>>9474174

Simpler coords look better 90% of the time

>>9474143
How is this an unpopular opinion? It's probably the most fundamental belief /cgl/ holds.

>>9474783
I think a good chunk of the 'unpopular opinions' are just girls desperate to prove that they're mean girls or something.

>>9473214
I don't hate them, but there is definitely something off about them. Maybe they're too long? I don't like where those cuffs are sitting at the bottom.

>>9474212
>>9474225
>>9474319

Dude guys just wear your glasses and take them off for photos. A middle ground exists.

I think tattoos look fine with lolita as long as they're well done and not super colorful.

I loathe all the boystyles. Especially since they attract so many genderspecials.

>>9473104
>I will never understand seagull's love of supercarly64
I think it's because it was fun to see someone making fun of these people off anon and she was decently entertaining. I also think a good number of those posts were probably Carly selfposting or someone trying to make it look like she was. There were some that seemed really bizarre to be coming from random anons.

>unpopular opinions threads are one of the best parts of /cgl/

Genuinely. I'm consistently entertained by them, much better than feels threads, generals, making fun of itas or inspo threads that never get any new content.

>>9474172
Ahh, I see.

>>9474242
This is not an unpopular opinion around here. Casual grounds like Facebook, maybe.

>bittersweet is a useful label to be able to tag things with to look for/avoid coords like that

>blue lipstick can look good in gothic lolita; Mana isn't the only one who should be allowed to wear it

>Mana's pics are so shooped that they tell you nothing useful about how he really looks, so people should stop using him as an example of a good brolita for noobs to aspire to

>I really, really dislike jpop, as well as non-jpop songs where the singer is pitch-shifted higher or sings like a child

unpopular for this thread
>I actually love tea party shoes as long as they're kept in sweet coords, I just got my first pair after avoiding them for my first four years in lolita and consider me converted

I think all Lolita and any form of it is complete garbage and when I see you cunts at convention or shitty tea parties in parks i cringe so fucking hard.

>>9476383
Who hurt you?

>>9476419
They're too fat to fit burando is all

>>9476419
Too many 'tfw no cgl gf' posts

>>9476419
Just another person trying to get a rise out of people, as usual

>>9474861
Boy styles can be cute but you're right about attracting the gender specials thing.

>I wish it would attract more lesbians instead of generspecial snowflakes

AP bunnies creep me out they remind me of the bunny from Silent Hill.
Most of their bunnies are cute (Wish Me Well, Fancy Paper Dolls, Happy Garden,...) but this one from circa 2011 is just spooky

>>9475008
this. And it's nice because this way, gulls can throw their salt here and it's making the other threads a bit less sodium filled

>>9474779
100% agree

>I think anyone obsessively hating on sweet lolita is lowkey bitter they can't wear it and look good in it or just saw too many bad pastel vomit and think it's all the same
I'm not much into sweet and it's alright to dislike it/think it doesn't look good but when you spend every thread going "sweet is garbage for little girls reeeee" it's kinda sad and reminds me of Kylie trying to be a lolita,failing at it, then calling us "hoes dressing like 5yo".

>I also think anyone referring to sweet lolita as ageplay has a really perverted mind

>Lolita's golden era was in 2009-2010

>I barely ever watch anime at all and feel like a minority in my comm

>tattoos and piercings can look ok in lolita but it depends where they are,how big they are,the style you wear,what style they are,...

>I kinda miss the big drama era with Koti,Pixyteri and Luvmonkeys and all, it was too much garbage cluttering the board but I had fun times despite the excessive salt and all

>>9476872
>AP bunnies creep me out they remind me of the bunny from Silent Hill.

I thought it looked like something I've seen before, I thought it was cute kek
Hell, I thought about buying it but now that you mentioned that I'm sold, I fucking love SH and Robbie the Rabbit

>>9476906
Oh god just the image gave me the heebie jeebies, it's 3 in the morning. SH is fukkin cool though, saw a SH nurse inspired coord at a con once and it was absolutely amazing

I've been reading a lot of Novala's wack essays about the soul of the lolita lately so

>lolitas should be innocent, so a lolita should be a virgin
>lolitas are rotten inside, so a true lolita should also be a fujoshi pervert

I disagreed with him writing this when I first read it but the more I read it the more it makes sense, in a lifestyle-y way.

>>9476978
Was this in the same essay? And, gosh, I didn't know I was a lifestyle lolita

>>9476999
https://web.archive.org/web/20080514015046/http://www.curiosityvalentine.com:80/novala10.html

>Young ladies love homosexuals. From the Takabatake Kashou paintings of forbidden gay love between beautiful young boys, to Takemiya Keiko's generation-defining work "The Song of Wind and Trees," homosexuals are an eternal theme for young ladies. Why is it that young ladies like homosexuality (usually among young boys)? Because it is the origin of a young lady's warped sexual desire. The lust of the young lady is like the lust of ten thousand people. However, an elegant young lady will not allow her straight desire to emerge at first (like in an issue of Popteen).

>Gender contains both curiosity and repugnance, longing and anxiety, reality and acceptance, a young lady's sexual desire is like making one's way through a labyrinth. Inside this complex labyrinth brews the young lady's desire for her flesh to personally participate in this gay love. Their perfect aesthetic would be the "fantasy homosexual." The young girl closes herself in a fictional world to maintain the balance of her libido. I'm not sure, but maybe the included narcissism and negativity of vita sexualis is greatly troubling to the actual gay community. But such things are not important to the fundamentally self-centered young lady.

To be honest Novala's obsession with young maidens as selfish and rotten is pretty weird and borderline fetishistic/misogynistic at times, but if you take it light-heartedly it's pretty funny.

>>9477002
>forbidden

I know it was forbidden but samurai men repeatedly fucked the buttboys they groomed to serve them, it isn't like homosexuality was 100% illegal.

>>9477019
I couldn't actually figure out which Takabatake Kasho painting he was referring to, since I couldn't find any super gay ones online. Maybe this one? He was also a male artist not a female one, but I did find an article saying the museum had an exhibition on his bishonen a few years ago so maybe that's where Novala got the idea:
>When I last visited, the whole museum was dedicated to an exhibition of bishonen, or beautiful boys. Notwithstanding their beauty, they were all tough as nails, delivering swishing sword cuts when dressed as samurai, looking disdainfully at skeletal hands when tied up, and finishing off a much bigger blond opponent with a devastating punch when boxing in an international match. Indeed, it’s hard to ignore the nationalism behind much of the imagery, but herein lies part of its fascination.

He was a very prolific artist so it's quite possible there were gayer pics in the museum that I just couldn't find with a cursory Google search.

I think leftism and 4chan dont go together. Lefties on /cgl/, gtfo.

To add on to that, I also dont think leftism and lolita go together. I wish there were more right wingers here, and I kind of like seeing /pol/ infiltrate this board.

>>9477070
Your newfag is showing. Leftists have had a huge presence on 4chan since the beginning.

Also, politics and Lolita should never be mixed period. Don't act like it's somehow more okay coming from your side.

>>9477070
>I kind of like seeing /pol/ infiltrate this board.
You like seeing useless off topic faggotry shit up the board to further your political agenda? A cleansing fire upon you.

>>9477118
Maybe I should've said radical/tumblr leftists.
I agree that lolita doesn't have any specific politics tied to it, but its just an opinion. Lolita as a hobby is exclusive and luxurious, its not for everyone and the fashion and (most of) the community don't really reflect a leftist worldview. We are people with opinions and I'd like to know there's lolitas out there who I share political views with.

>>9477120
Well admittedly them shitting up the threads and >tfwnocglgf is fucking annoying, however the reaction it garners and how easily gulls take up the bait is more delicious than derailed threads are annoying. They'll fuck off eventually I'm sure, unless they've been here longer than I realise since I took a break from cgl for a good while.

>>9477147
>Thinking Radical/tumblr leftist are in great quantities
>Not knowing that in fact it's just small groups screaming very loudly even though you claim to be from /pol/
>Oh wait, /pol/ is a containment board, so they wouldn't realize that either
Keep religion out of politics, and politics out of hobbies. I bet you think /pol/ had a hand in getting trump elected too. I bet you'd even buy a kek flag if you saw one at hot topic where you get your dildos to fuck yourself

>>9477070
I think a lot of people are drawn to lolita because it's different and unconventional which I assumed would be the opposite of conservative/right wing thinking. It definitely is a luxury hobby, but I don't think luxury has always equated to right-wing views. If anything, i think the Lolita community as a whole is predominantly left-swinging, obviously with some exceptions

>>9477248
Jesus the salt is strong with this one.
Remind me where I said tumblr lefties were in great quantities and that I was from /pol/?

>Keep religion out of politics, and politics out of hobbies.
Yeah, y'know my favourite part of the unpopular opinions thread is being told I'm not allowed a specific opinion, not just that it's shit. Keep out of these threads if you cant handle opinions that oppose your own.

>>9477251
I'd agree most of the community is left swinging for that very reason, but to me the exclusivity of the community is very anti-left. We dont like fatty-chans, itas, poorfags, shitty handmade lolitas, ageplayers, sissys, (brolitas occasionally) etc. and there are rules to lolita whether anyone likes it or not.

>Wearing the full on Lolita look in public is embarrassing

I don't understand why someone would wear Lolita outside of events like to the mall or to a grocery store. It just draws unwanted attention

>brolitas are awful

They look so feminine sometimes it's weird

>>9477295
it sounds like you're projecting my friend

>>9477295
>I don't understand why someone would wear fashion outside of events

>>9477295
Get the fuck out my fashion, you conlita trash.

>>9477288
>We dont like fatty-chans, itas, poorfags, shitty handmade lolitas, ageplayers, sissys, (brolitas occasionally) etc.
I think you're confusing leftism with rabid SJW. Other than fatties and brolitas (which, I don't feel like brolitas are a good example since hating on them is such a minority opinion, even on /cgl/) any lefty I know outside tumblr wouldn't blame us for excluding anyone you just listed. Well, also poorfags, but we don't actually hate on poorfags just the ones who do shit like come to meets and whine about how they wish they could afford our dresses.

>>9477295
Sounds like someone saw a brolita who looked more kawaii than them

>>9477147
There's right wing lolitas out there, they're just a minority. Maybe start a blog or a group or something to meet more of you?

>>9477288
>We dont like fatty-chans, itas, poorfags, shitty handmade lolitas
This is pretty cgl-specific, people come here to bitch about those groups because you'd be ostracised for doing it in a comm. Nobody likes itas, they just tolerate them hoping they'll improve, but I've never heard anyone IRL look down on girls with a budget, shit-talk fat girls or complain about handmade.

I can't tell who's a transtrender and who's a true transgender because of all the fakebois and sissies pretending so now i have trouble taking anyone transgender seriously unless they look 100% serious about it.

>>9477578
It's time to step away from the keyboard. You're all over the front page.

>>9476872
From the first glance I thought that it was a pink head of a grasshopper. Ew.

>>9477718
Oh god, that's even more horrifying

>>9474174
because theyre obvious attention whores

>>9477733
Yeah, the sharp ears being antennaes, and all-dark eyes being compound eyes, and the mouth, kinda like what grasshopper's mouth looks like.

>>9477742
>having fun makes you an attention whore, lolitas are sposed 2 b kawaii and elegant!!! :(

>>9477288
>See a different opinion
>"lol y u salty"
>"Can't handle my clearly superior opinion even though it's all people's different thoughts, yours are wrong and mine are right"

Good meme m8

>>9477578
Generally if they put any thought into transitioning or passing, you should take them seriously.

I don't wanna say I hate Mana but... no, no but's about it. I do.

>unpopular opinion
I think Choke is weird looking. She's not really that pretty, just skinny and rich enough to wear all the newest burando.

Not an unpopular opinion but I can't stop peeking into lolita threads. It's all so bitchy and uptight, and for some reason I can't get enough of the irony that these cute girls dressed like princesses are horrible people once they get online.

>>9478694
that's how most fashion places are. look at /fa/

>>9474084
>AA artists always follow trends
They're there to make money, not cater to niche fandoms youre not even going to buy their merch for in the first place.

>>9473410
a heathers meet would be pretty cool
though, no martha
I imagine martha would be a very obese ita

>>9476431
No I really meant that. I really do hate all you cunts. It's not a spite or jealousy thing I just think it's all stupid and petty. But then again I get all of my views of these cunts from all you cunts in cgl. Good job.

>>9478942
I mean sure, you do you

but to assume all lolitas are like this just because of /cgl/ is dumb
Everyone's anonymous,so naturally people will be as mean as they want and vent because there are no strings attached
also it's a board on fucking 4chan, you can't come here acting like you're gonna find nothing but good people and lovelies~

AP looks like shit and I have no idea why this is the popular brand of lolita. When I first got into lolita, I assumed BtSSB was -the- sweet lolita brand and AP was niche for some reason.

It's too sweet, mostly impossible to wear outside, has toddler and pregnancy cuts, OTT sweet AP looks ridiculous even within our fashion, the prints are cluttered, and I feel it is why the fashion has all the current issues it does, such as premade "sets" to coord and even people leaving the fashion too early because "sweet doesn't look good after a certain age". I think gothic, classic, and even some BtSSB is something you could hold onto once you've grown older.

>>9477120
Kind of ot, but why does everyone keep saying /pol/ has "invaded /cgl/ lately"? What was the thread they supposedly made about us that led them here?

I dislike Sebastian Masuda
I also suspect that he created his kawaii culture bullshit just to meet underaged girls

>>9479028
Deets, anon?

>>9479025
I think people mean recently as in since the election.

Unpop opinion: I really hate a lot of lolita bags, all of the ones made of pleather/leather look stupid and from what I've heard the quality of similar bags on taobao are the same as brand.

>>9479036
The details are that I'm a huge weeb who watches kawaii international and has been to takeashitadori a few times

Fuck really? I thought you would all either know about him and either love him or hate him with no middle ground.

I don't know try and google sebastian masuda
I'm just head canoning the paedophile part but really if the pieces fit...

>>9479042
>head canoning
Stop using this term for shit that isn't fictional.
I'm not a huge fan of Masuda's work, I think his designs are tacky but he's been working with fashion and design for decades and people appreciate what he does. Why makes you think he's a pedophile? Because he's a man who works with and likes cute things?

>>9479025
Anectotal observation, but in the last 2-3 months there has been an increase of trolls baiting feels threads with mgtow talking points like women are all bitches,slaves to emotion/hormones, unfaithful, etc. I think it started in earnest around the time someone set up a new cgl discord and it turned out to be a honeypot from /pol/ dudes to lure in girls for hookups. As far as I know it backfired and they got pissy.

>>9479118
>I want to make zero effort to understand women, therefore they're all heartless bitches.

Oh, /pol/ and mgtow, continue to fail at being normal humans.

>>9479023
How long ago did you get into lolita? BtSSB were more popular than AP until OTT sweet hit and they did a good job at marketing themselves through things like Kamikaze Girls, which might be where you got that impression.

>>9479040
>from what I've heard the quality of similar bags on taobao are the same as brand.
Ah, an educated opinion. Nah, speaking as someone whose owned like 8 Taobao bags from different shops and 12 burando bags, brand ones are better, but not by that much.

>>9479051
ntayrt, but there was that DJ guy a few years ago who set up some sort of gal circle who was doing it just to meet underage girls and lure them into prostitution, there were deets about it on the gyaru thread. Maybe anon thinks it's something similar.

>>9479118
>slaves to emotion/hormones
I love how some men use hormones against women as if we're the only ones influenced by them. Oh wait-I forgot that emotions are only valid when they take the form of male rage and not whimpy female sadness. Sure, mass shooters are virtually always male due to their testosterone induced anger, but at least they're not being kind of bitchy because they're bleeding out their genitals.

>>9479118
JFC why is /pol/ so tsundere with us?

Everytime I see a fatty-chan in lolita, I get the mental image of a sumo wrestler. Can't unsee.

As a group, I cannot stand nerds

Either islam practicing girls need to stay out of Lolita or stop practicing Islam. Pants with Lolita will never be a thing nor will it ever look good. Find a fashion that actually works with your religion if you're so bent on staying in it

>>9481548
Yeah pants in lolita, or any pants under a skirt or dress is really dumb looking.

I actually really like how toxic and catty the Lolita community can be

It's just my kind of environment

>>9476419
You hurt my fucking eyes, bitch

>>9481572
I agree. While brutal and catty, I appreciate how honest the community is.

>>9479028
I was always under the impression the the model Yuka was his wife.
Does anyone know why the shopgirl with the V bangs quit? Her and Yuka were the main shopgirls, then suddenly Vani was gone.

>>9481633
Most of the new shop girls are from out of Japan these days and seem to keep changing. They don't dress nearly as creatively as the original girls.

Maybe the other models went to work at the cafe?

>>9481731
Nope, Vani left years before the cafe opened. Yuka announced a few weeks ago that she was stepping down as a shopgirl to focus on her own career, but that she would still be at the cafe most nights.

Vani just mysteriously left dokidoki, no comment or anything, or announcement.

>>9481734
That makes sense. It would get tiring to dress up so much all the time.

>>9481548
To add to everything you said, they also need to stay out of the media. Tired of these girls """converting""" to Islam and using the whole "lolita is about modesty" thing to get their 15 minutes. I don't want to be associated with any belief system so backwards towards women. Lolita is flashy as hell, expensive, and might as well be about outdoing eachother with putting ships and cakes on your head. It's not modest in a lot of senses at all. The two just do not mix.

>post 2008-2010 lolita is almost sterile
>lolita isn't necessarily supposed to be flattering
>short stubby legs are ideal in sweet and some old school
>UTKs > everything else
>Aprons and striped socks need to come back
>"kawaii" make up is bland and samefacey
>Only natural wigs should be used and circle lenses need to be burned

I feel like Lolita has been very heavily “commercialized” in a way. Not in the sense of buying more things, but being more appealing to people otherwise not interested in it. Like actual punk vs Avril Lavine. Everything has gotten more conventionally attractive. Less frumpy, less bitch facey, less gothic and creepy, less experimentation, less “weird”. The tie between Vivienne Westwood has been pretty much completely severed. Old Lolita is more about wearing what you like while modern is about wearing what you look good in.

And probably the most controversial one is someone who wears lolita like a costume or formal wear isn't "a lolita," just someone who likes it. They aren't less legitimate necessarily, but they are literally "less of a lolita" because the only way to be a lolita is to wear it. There are no lolita hobbies other than stalking releases/secondhand sites and maybe bitching about itas on cgl. The only way to be a "lifestyler" is to wear Lolita regularly. Otherwise you're just a collector, which again is not a bad thing in itself at all.

Inb4 “but my job” no one’s talking about jobs and things like hiking you daft cunts. Someone who gets drunk every night is more of a drunk than someone who drinks a beer at parties. It’s not a contest and in the end doesn’t mean much, but bitching about “elitist ita wannabe life stylers” doesn’t change the fact that cosplayers who wear Lolita a few times a year are less of a Lolita then someone who wears it like any other fashion. Complaining about how everything isn’t OTT and calling every non-OTT coord casual doesn’t help your case in the slightest.

>>9481793
I agree with you about aprons and striped socks. I love aprons, not just apron dresses. Aprons you can wear with multiple dresses.

I disagree with your points about wigs, makeup and lenses

How do you define wearing lolita regularly? How often a month should someone wear lolita and under what contexts? Is someone who only wears lolita to cons and meetups, but attends one every weekend still not a real lolita?

I don't like how catty the Lolita community is. I'm a social worker and deal with depressed suicidal teenagers everyday. Aside from creepy or abusive parents, a common issue is being bullied by peers.

>>9481817
>Is someone who only wears lolita to cons and meetups, but attends one every weekend still not a real lolita?

Again it's not about being a tru~ lolita and anyone else is a fake and should gtfo, it's about calling yourself a lolita like it's part of your core identity. But someone who wears it like any other fashion, you can get more into other things every now and then. Like just once a week or every other week for full lolita. Even just something like this pic. The place they go to doesn't change that when it's just clothes they wear regularly.

It's more a complaint about "lolita at heart" people who try to force the life style thing. You can't claim to be part of a subculture you don't actually participate in. Lots of goths only really dress up for events and don't go to clubs that often, but they still wear gothic clothing day to day and listen to the music. The problem is literally the only way to participate is wearing it. At absolute most shopping for it. You can discuss it for hours everyday, but someone who doesn't own any lolita isn't "a lolita." Someone who collects lolita items but doesn't wear them is just like a toy collector. Mr Yan having lolita stock doesn't make him a lolita. It's the whole someone who likes goth music vs someone who calls themselves a "real goth" schematics type of thing.

>I disagree with your points about wigs, makeup and lenses

Fair enough, that's why I'm saying it here and not the general. Kawaii make up meaning the eyebags and big eye trick type of thing btw.

>>9481827
Forgot to add that part of treating it like "real fashion" imo is being willing to experiment and use your lolita pieces in non lolita outfits as well. Obviously if like grunge and dress in sweet it'll be hard, but for more similar styles why wouldn't you treat it like any other article of clothing? Refusing to use any part of lolita, even plain mary janes, in the other parts of your wardrobe unless it's 100% photoshoot ready lolita is what makes something feel really "fake." Like someone who refuses to wear black or dark make up at all normally but goes full Siouxsie copycat and tacks on a nose to ear chain for a club. You can like "conflicting" styles, I definitely do. It's making it so separate and trying to pretend there's only one state of dressiness that throws people off.

>>9481793
The Vivienne Westwood thing kills me. I think it's up to the oldschool movement to really bring it back. Brands will never stand for it because they want you to buy all their little cheap tacky plastic jewelry and poorly made bags. I hate the idea of "sets" put out from brands and how pre-packaged everything is.

I do agree lolita was about being dark, doll-like, kind of bitchy or poisonous. A lot of early writing and depictions of lolita don't show anything purely sugary like now and emphasize the "rotten" nature. I feel like it's gotten so polished and shiny, it's not even a fashion and a form of cosplay without a character involved.

>Salopettes and dresses that don't fit a petti are still lolita if a brand released it
>I don't understand why everyone has to hate on OTT styles iff they dress in simple coords, or vise versa
>I'd rather see an ugly girl in a cute lolita coord than an ugly girl in ugly normie clothes, at least the former takes away some of the eyesore
>Lolitas shouldn't have to act like "proper ladies" or lovelies because it's fucking ridiculous, but that doesn't mean we should resign ourselves to all being drama hungry bitches. Can't we just all be decent people?
>We have a responsibility to the community not to alter or ruin dresses, since resale is such a big part of the fashion and everything has a limited release
>cgl has had a massive part to play in ruining creativity in lolita

>>9481765
Yeah I've never understood the logic of lolita being 'modest' when it's so eye catching and out there, classic is more modest but it's usually still something that sticks out in a crowd. If girls really wanted to be modest they'd be like those Baptist girls and wear nothing but plain shirts with floor length plain skirts and plain shoes. Modest goes further than not showing skin

>>9481826
Most lolitas are adults, and if you have any kids who are suicidal over what some anons are saying (because lets be real lolitas aren't mean to people's faces very often) then they need help sorting out their priorities and getting a grip on reality.

>>9481936
>Salopettes and dresses that don't fit a petti are still lolita if a brand released it
So to you brand makes the fashion what it is, not aesthetic?

>>9481970
Nope, but I think the aesthetic is more flexible than people give it credit for. That's only been forgotten because of people pushing the rules and nitpicking the hell out of stuff.
>inb4 the rules are there for a reason
they are but once someone actually knows how to coord well, it shouldn't matter so much

>>9481982
I agree with you but at the same time
>if a brand released it
would imply that the brand matters more than anything else. Would you say that a salopette or dress that doesn't fit a petticoat, abides by what can be accepted as lolita otherwise but wasn't released by one of the known brands, is or isn't lolita?

>some newer or taobao salopettes work just fine for Lolita
> Meta > Btssb
> natural makeup in Lolita often looks terrible and unfinished.
> AP should start putting shirring on their OPs again (I'm not a fatty chan, but shirred OPs are so much more breathable)
> visible bloomers are honestly what I live for
> RPA are fantastic.

>>9481982
When have you actually seen a coord that was really good but broke a rule tiered apart? I have personally never seen that.
>using a photo of 90's when trying to prove a point of nowadays lolita

>>9481936
>>We have a responsibility to the community not to alter or ruin dresses, since resale is such a big part of the fashion and everything has a limited release
What someone does with their brand is their business, so long as they understand it will change the resale value.

>>9481936
>we have a responsibility to the community
Lmao what? The only thing that connects us is liking an alternative fashion, we're barely a community and don't owe each other anything. If someone wants to alter/cut up their dress that's their right, the dress is their property, not the the "community's" property.

I feel like the golden days of lolita and drama (koti,PT,...) are long gone and it's making me genuinely depressed.

>>9482146
I do think that if someone wants to get something altered for whatever reason, they should try to get it done well by a professional or be excellent seamstresses themselves. A well done alteration might lower the resale value a little, but might be highly valuable to someone who has the same fit issues (too large, too small, etc). If it's well done, it will look better worn and fit the aesthetic of the fashion rather than a cut and hack job.

In the end, lolita is not communal property. It is nobody's responsibility to keep an item nice for someone else who might want it. Once that item arrives in your hand, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it, be it turn it into pillows or burn it. In almost all cases, it gets worn a few times and resold. The amount of times I see an altered piece in the wild or on sales is pretty damn rare that it's almost a moot point.

>>9481793
Don't agree with everything you say (UTKs are the worst) but agree strongly with

>I feel like Lolita has been very heavily “commercialized” in a way. Not in the sense of buying more things, but being more appealing to people otherwise not interested in it. Like actual punk vs Avril Lavine. Everything has gotten more conventionally attractive. Less frumpy, less bitch facey, less gothic and creepy, less experimentation, less “weird”. The tie between Vivienne Westwood has been pretty much completely severed. Old Lolita is more about wearing what you like while modern is about wearing what you look good in.

>>9481830
I honestly just feel like most lolita, whether modern or oldschool,just doesn't mix at all with normie fashions. It's so far apart from the norm that it looks extremely weird combined. Current mainstream trends are girlier and rufflier than they were a few years ago but I still don't think there's much you could get away with...maybe a heart bag or a lolita cardigan. I have a pretty large wardrobe with a lot of nonprints and some otome brand stuff and honestly nothing except the berets would look good with any of my normie clothing, it'd just look shoehorned in.

>someone posts an unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinion thread
>anons bitch that they don't agree
??

>>9482383
Are you stupid what did you expect?

>>9482383
It's called a discussion, anon. Lighten up.

>>9482386
More like what did you expect?

>>9482254
The closest I come normie fashion is alt-western fashion and larme, so I wear things like demonias, BPN, and putumayo day to day. My only purely normie clothes are work clothes and even then I can mix some of the more mature IW blouses in. This blouse without the bow in a drab skirt suit really helps perk me up. Fanny Rosie is queen at making classic lolita into more formal boderline normie wear. I admit I was thinking back more when a lot of people who were really into lolita were also wore alt-fashion and/or j-fashion.

>maybe a heart bag or a lolita cardigan

That's more what I was talking about. The kind of people I was referring to will sometimes even refuse to wear lolita accessories with otome or other j-fashions. Like this plain bag is for this "cosplay" and these plain socks are for this other "cosplay" and you can't mix them like you wouldn't mix character's outfits. I've never seen anything like it in any other fashion community. No one would ever say it's impossible to match docs with anything but punk and not be a laughed at for years to come. I just honestly don't understand the people who claim absolutely nothing can ever be mixed with any other j-fashion or alt-fashion unless they don't wear any other fashions. Even a purely OTT lolita could find some crossover with fairy kei, decora, or goth. OTT classic might have accessories that go with dolly kei or something similar.

>>9482442
Unpopular opinions. You clearly expected zero feedback on genuinely unpopular opinions, dipshit

>>9482466
Buddy if the thread's for unpopular opinions, you should expect to disagree with most of them. You might find kinship in some who share your thoughts, but this stuff is usually unpopular for a reason.

>>9482163
go to lolcow, it's alive.

>>9482459
Ah I see now, I misunderstood and thought you were talking about mainstream fashion. Yeah, there's a ton of crossover potential with jfashions like fairy kei (I've even seen items mixed well with menhera) or styles like goth, as well as there being items popular in lolita (e.g. RHS) that are popular in a lot of other fashions too. I just don't think it usually works with non-alt fashion, or even with ill-defined alternative fashions that don't have a specific aesthetic and are just generally hipstery/indie.

What I have noticed is that the pieces in my wardrobe that cross over tend to be a one-way exchange of normie items that I use in lolita but not really anything that goes the other way round...I have a vintage handbag, a vintage jacket, an offbrand blouse, a couple of turtlenecks, two pairs of normie shoes and three pairs of Demonias that I use in lolita coords, but aside from goth shoes and bags being usable in Western goth, I can't think of a single lolita brand item that I would wear with a mainstream outfit. Lolita shoes especially are just so fucking uncomfortable and scuff so easily that I won't wear them unless nothing normie would match. Even when I buy loliable stuff from mainstream stores, I tend to not end up using those pieces with my other mainstream clothes - maybe the issue's that my everyday aesthetic just isn't girly enough, IDK.

>>9479118
Sometimes when I'm drunk and bored I shit up the discord. Please forgive me, senpai

Maybe I don't get it because I just don't like it, but Holy Lantern is one of the most basic bitch, tumblr prints. Just about everyone who wears it either puts together something completely uninspired, some pastel goth nonsense, or is a ouija board wearing goth thot.
The print is boring, the cuts are boring, and most coords with it barely look like lolita half the time.

>>9483123
>goth thot
I prefer graveyard ho

>>9483123
I somewhat like the flocky print, but god damn if those cuts don't look like some cheap badly constructed Hot Topic shit. The fabric ruffles that aren't gathered enough, the fucking zippers...
I mean, I'd totally get it if this were some 50 buck taobao dress that turned out to be cuter than expected, but in reality it's way overpriced for what you're getting.

>>9474084
>I hate that artists in the artist alley always follow trends and thus cause the entire area to be consumed in large swathes of maybe five fandoms.

If the convention has a jury to decide which artists will be selling there, they HAVE to be trending fandoms. A-kon has a specific guideline that a certain percentage of artwork needs to be from "current"series (within the last few years)

>>9483123
I will fucking fight you, whore.

>>9482383
Posting in an UP thread isn't a magical pass for you to say whatever you want without disagreement. Even if it were meant to be, you're on one of the most sandy sites on the internet and can't expect such a thing.

>>9483123
It is basic bitch "I want to pretend I'm a sweet lolita but clearly can't get out of Hot Topic looks" lolita.

>>9474212
I understand keeping a piercing in if it is fresh, or one has trouble keeping it from closing. I can leave mine out for two days, and I'll be fine. I've had friends who will close up within hours.

There are clear piercings, but a new piercing shouldn't be removed/changed for as long as possible.

>>9481548
They wouldn't look so bad if they would make the effort to fit it into the fashion. Tea length dress with taller boots. No leg showing, no need for pants. It's not that hard.

>>9482383
the entire point of these threads is to throw salt around so idk what your point is

>>9481998
>Meta > BTSSB
FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME!
I love how Meta aren't afraid to experiment with bold colours and unconventional designs. I love how they straddle so many different lolita styles, while still staying true to their roots. All the meta clothes I've bought have been fantastic quality and sturdy enough for everydaywear, whereas I have a lot of AATP that I'd only wear to a meetup bc it feels so delicate. Yeah, they release some spectacularly ita things at times, but I can forgive them because they're hilarious and I love their non-ita pieces so much. Meta keeps surprising me, the things I buy from them are always nicer than I expect. Sure, their quirkiness can make their clothes harder to coordinate, but I love a challenge.

Pic is from 2004 and looks like something they'd release today, though they would coord it differently.

>>9486656
Another anon who loves meta here! for me personally meta and AP share the top spot, btssb is behind that- the laces are nice but I never really get excited over their designs.
I do love metas quirkyness, though recently I got the sugar tea time jsk, and the chiffon trim at the bottom is really odd looking, like it's longer in some places than others, it's not one straight length the whole way round?
>not sure if meta intended this or it's a flaw

Recently got Lovely forest though, it's absolutely beautiful.

>>9481548
I agree it looks like utter shite but you can't say anything because thass racist

>>9486817
I like Meta's construction and the attention to detail on their website (showing the design, detachable bits, etc really clearly), but I just can't get into their designs. I like BtSSB, VM, IW, MM, MmM, I even like a lot of AP, but Meta barely ever come out with anything I like, especially prints. Their prints are so saturated and busy.

>>9486656
>>9486817
Meta and AP definitely share top spot for me, with Btssb lagging behind. I just find their sweet prints all a bit frumpy and their classic is often just ugly.
Meta are definitely the best quality wise though, and they're so much more flattering imo as they really know how and where to use shirring

>>9481962
It's because too many people are under this annoying misconception that modest literally means anything not slutty.

>>9481936
>We have a responsibility to the community not to alter or ruin dresses, since resale is such a big part of the fashion and everything has a limited release
Honestly, I actually mostly agree with this. I think little alterations that don't really effect the dress much are fine (for example, I once saw a Twinkle Mermaid for sale that had the ribbon at the bottom removed and I don't think it's a big deal) but I look down on people who totally ruin the dress. Especially when it's in the form of fatties sewing dresses together because they're taking down two preciouses, while also making it clear they've given up on losing weight and actually bettering themselves. Most dresses get sold within a few years, so it's a complete waste. I remember like a decade ago, the community was in mass debate over this because some hamplanet bought two Carnivals and sewed them together (which was the Puppet Circus of those days and went for $800+). She made this huge deal about how she loved them so much and it was her dream dress and she planned on keeping it forever... not even a year later, she was selling it for literally 1/5 of what she could have gotten from selling them both as whole dresses. No one wins when people do this.

>>9487011
y u care tho

>>9487036
Because it kills me to see a dream dress of mine for sale that's damaged to the point of being undesirable. Seems pretty obvious. Obviously it's their property and they should have the right to do it, but that doesn't mean I can't judge their decision.

>>9473104
I rather see fat lolitas than ugly skinny ones

>>9487000
Sage because I don't want to drag up arguments about religion again, but the minutiae of the English definition is irrelevant when the Muslim rules come from a book written in Arabic, which specifically gives the rule as being that women need to be covered from wrist to ankle and men need to be covered from navel to knee. Whether modest just means covered or means humble in English is irrelevant.

I think most Meta looks really ugly but never say so at meets because it's popular in my comm.

>>9487049
Too bad you don't have the money or luck to buy it before them then.
I get what you mean but you're not entitled to the dresses.
Watching these fatty Chans waste money by ruining burando is kind of funny actually.
They still look bad even if it fits so

I hate all headwear in lolita.

>>9487049
This^

Lolita is a fashion, not a hobby.

>>9483123
Same. I bought HL during the second release and sold it 2 months later. Shit's ugly. I think it was the rarity aspect that got everyone's attention at first since it was SOOOO GAWTHIC but now it just looks beyond basic. (And is worn it an unflattering way 90% of the time.)

>>9487049
Be faster with your money or get stuck with damaged goods. That simple.

I hate the naming convention seagulls have started adopting for threads. By which I mean the whole "Lolita General: Blahblahblah Edition" or "CoF Thread: Blahblahblah Edition". It's just not necessary and not... funny. I don't even know if that's the intention, but it's not.

>>9487522
Generals always do that, check /vg/ or any other board with generals. It's just a 4chan culture thing.

I don't take the editions too seriously. As someone whose had to make the new thread for a general a couple times, I likely have no fucking idea what I'm doing with the edition and slap down the first relevant thing that comes to mind with the OP pic.

>>9487522
Humour is subjective, I find it kind of funny and it helps to differentiate old and new generals when there are multiple ones in the catalog.

>>9474174
>garden hoe

>>9487563
Oh my god

>>9487522
I like them because they can either be up to date on something "Holy Lantern Strikes Again Edition" or just something silly like "Ducks in lolita edition".

So, has anyone ordered from MM in about the past year or so? What is their quality like now? I've been eyeing some things from them, but I heard they took a dive in quality.

>>9487651
Oops, mixed up this with lolita gen. Unpopular opinion on the topic of classic lolita: VM is one of the better brands, but it's a shame no one tends to buy it.

>>9487661
Isn't VM also one of the tinier brands? I agree that their pieces are beautiful but that's probably why.

>>9487661
>>9487865
#lolitagoals is to get small enough to fit into some VM pieces. I'm average sized by American standards, but you all know how it goes, like anything above a 30" bust and 28" waist is basically plus sized here.

>A lot of IW prints like Lotta or Rabbit Letter are too sweet to be called classic lolita
>If a coord doesn't look weird with tea parties, it can be neither classic nor gothic
>Ruffled lace sewn directly onto a skirt hem without any trim covering the stitching looks cheap and ugly
>Most of LotV's stuff also looks cheap and ugly

>>9487865
>>9487907
VM being a tiny brand is a myth perpetuated by landwhales who are too lazy to do any actual research. They've been releasing shirred and free size items pretty consistently for a while now, and their 88/68 bust/waist formula is hardly small.

>>9487907
>VM being a tiny brand is a myth perpetuated by landwhales who are too lazy to do any actual research. They've been releasing shirred and free size items pretty consistently for a while now, and their 88/68 bust/waist formula is hardly small.
So much this. Their sizing seems small because a lot of their older pieces have no shirring but most of it is 88cm bust, which is completely healthy for most people of average height and definitely not tiny. As long as you're slim and don't have a huge ribcage structure you don't even have to be flat to fit that. People act like you need to be an underweight A-cup under 5'0" to fit it but I'm a 5'4" F-cup with a BMI of 22 and I fit VM's sizing.

I would say it's actually pretty difficult for a 30" bust to find stuff that fits - that's 76cm and even smaller brands like Moitie and MM don't usually have bust measurements below 82cm or 84cm. 32"-34" is ideal.

>>9487907
>>9487932
>>9487948
>VM being a tiny brand is a myth perpetuated by landwhales who are too lazy to do any actual research. They've been releasing shirred and free size items pretty consistently for a while now, and their 88/68 bust/waist formula is hardly small.
>I would say it's actually pretty difficult for a 30" bust to find stuff that fits - that's 76cm and even smaller brands like Moitie and MM don't usually have bust measurements below 82cm or 84cm. 32"-34" is ideal.

As an anon with a 27in bust, thank you so much. I'm so fucking sick of people with a waist the same size as my bust bitching about how "only prepubescent asians/midgets" can wear Japanese brands apart from Meta and modern AP. Even genuinely tiny old school isn't perfect. Small IW isn't perfect by far. Literally all the lolita models have at least what's known as a standard b-cup and other than a few brands most now pin the dresses to fit them.

Mary Magdalene is one of the impossible brands yet everyone always bitches about it being for "flat" girls. It takes two seconds to see they have a super defined bust. Even if I wanted to spend the 300 usd to rip out princess seams they wouldn't be able to make it fit me right with padding. Their average OP is easily twice as curvy as the average "curvy" girl. The same waist to bust ratio as a pinup model. In what world is that "flat," sticklike, or pre-pubescent unless you're hugely fat, a Kim K wannabe, or a delusional weeb/porn addict?

>>9487948
Okay first of all I'm aware I should loose couple kilos and I'm working on it but I'm still not overweight. I have 86cm bust and long torso. I'm E cup and it's pain in the ass. Most lolita (I don't own any MM or VM though) especially IW is cut for B cup and while I might be well under the bust measurements I get ugly boobloaf because first of all my boobs are too low most of the time and the cup size just doesn't match. I would compare it to trying on B cup bra that has the same bust measurement. They just won't fit my boobs even though the bust measurement should match. However, my point was that it could be other fit issues causing the tiny brand myth. But you seem to have pretty big cup size so idk if it's just my long torso. I'm not that much taller either (5'5).

>>9488116
>anything above a 30" bust and 28" waist is basically plus sized here.

You didn't say cut for a b-cup, you explicitly said girls that are actually too small to fit in the vast majority of brand are the cut off point. Don't expect people to not see you as a fat liar when you literally are lying. Brand is now the same size an American medium, possibly a small if vanity sizing is really bad. That's even worse than saying lolita is only meant for super short girls when the average height is only two inches smaller.

>>9488041
>>9486707
>>9486825
omg anachan please stop bragging about your disgusting body, literally no one cares and you sound like you have a lot of problems, please just go eat something

>>9488129
>>9488129
Sorry but I think you mess me up with other anon as I haven't commented in this thread before that. I just tried to give my experience on fit issues and mentioned loosing weight only so it doesn't seem like I'm delusioned and ignoring my size. The other possibility is I'm just stupid and do not get what you mean. Sorry for being unclear anyways.

>>9488180
How is it anymore bragging than someone with 110+ measurements asking if something will fit? I don't have a comm so all I have to go off on meta's fit is online pics and wishful thinking every time I see it on sale. People bring up measurements when specifically talking about measurements and fit. If following true bra sizes most healthy weight women 4'10-5'5 will have a 27-29in bra band. I'm 4'10 and literally titless, a genetic and hormonal defect. Chances are if you think that's worth bragging about you think everyone that can fit into brand is an ana-chan.

>>9488204
I'm not jealous of your disfigurement at all and you're clearly a nutcase from your posts. i really don't wanna spoonfeed you since you seem young and/or new but posting personal information like your measurements is frowned upon on 4chan unless strictly relevant to the thread. Your question about brand sizing was okay but you even say you're asking pointless questions and go on to say more stupid shit later, and I just linked those to show that if people can tell who you are on an anonymous imageboard, you're doing it wrong. Anyway it was really the retarded rant you went on in this thread that nobody asked for that's the most unacceptable behavior. I suggest you lurk more.

>>9488212
>asking pointless questions
Meta may be a fat girl brand but so is AP now and they still put out things that only look good on a-cups and below sometimes. It was more a joke about lolibrary never getting foxed.

Again how is mentioning bust size in reply to a comment noting bust size any different than >>9487932 or >>9487948 The only reason you can tell is because it's an unusual size, if I were bitching about being too fat or tall it could easily blend in. You see people with specific waist and bust measurements doing it nearly every few threads. You're only bringing attention to someone asking a question then thanking someone for a response but disagreeing in a different thread, then butting into a conversation to rant like everyone else here.

>Anyway it was really the retarded rant you went on in this thread that nobody asked for that's the most unacceptable behavior.

Pot calling the kettle black really. If you honestly think those are my only posts you're vastly overestimating how many people post on cgl and underestimating how many posts per a person.

>>9488116
>IW
I'm a small framed Cish cup and I boobloaf in IW (27.5"underbust 31.5" bust and wear 28D or 30C) it'll be the cuts. MM and VM are SO much better for boob shaping, AP is okay on me, some cuts like their old A-line stuff (polkadot princess springs to mind) were a bit better for the "boobs on a small ribcage" issue.

>>9487932
>>9487948
>>9488041
>>9488129
I'm >>9487907 didn't mean to cause a real ruckus. I'm a 35.5"/90 cm bust and a 29.5"/75cm waist. I'm not exactly "fit" at 135lbs at 5'3", but I'm not really a fatty-chan either. I have weird dimensions, in that I have a 29" underbust but I preferentially put on weight on my waistline first... I'm not really sure where I was going with all of this other than, uh, I just want to fit in pretty classic dresses, and measurements lead me to believe that's currently unrealistic. I would so so so so so love to be told otherwise though.

>>9488246
>>9488129
Also, to further elaborate, I was perhaps being a tad hyperbolic with the bust measurements, I'm just frustrated, sorry anon.

>>9488246
I don't think the measurements are so much the issue with VM but it's the very form fitting cuts, if your body doesn't align correctly with those hyper structured cuts you'll look a little weird. An American size 6 can easily -fit- VM, it's just a matter of what cut you go for. MM on the other hand is definitely the most size restrictive brand, but that's life. Some things you might just not be able to fit into.

>>9488246
>>9488247
I've known girls that dropped several cup sizes in the last 15-25 pounds. For me I didn't drop in shoe size that much till then but overall went from a size 7 to a size 5. I'll admit I'm not sure what the equivalent of that amount of weightloss when you're taller though, my irl friends are all midgets.

Fanny Rosie wears MM and VM, I don't know her measurements but she seems a somewhat similar size.

>>9488263
>Fanny Rosie
>somewhat similar size
Her measurements are 89-60-94, anon. She's tiny, at least in the waist.

>>9488304
Yeah I meant bust, closer than a lot of girls you see wearing it. Where did you get those measurements? It'd be really cool to know popular lolita's measurements so you'd have an idea of fit. Way too creepy to ask directly though.

>>9488317
I'm a popular Lolita, I wouldn't be freaked out at all if someone asked me that as long as it was established to be for fit comparison.

>>9488180
I don't think discussing your 12 year old Asian slave boy body anonymously can really be called "bragging".

I was really excited to visit closet child today and when I went in everything felt cheaply made and costumey. I'm honestly not trying to troll, I'm feeling pretty disappointed.

I don't see what the fuck is so hard about putting together a decent coord unless you literally discovered the fashion a week ago.

>>9488342
What did you find?

>>9488347
Probably a lot of AP and BTSSB

>>9488116
Some IW boobloafs on me too, so I just avoid those dresses and always pick stuff with back shirring and corset lacing. Because VM and MM is cut to be more hourglassy it fits me better with my high cup size. YMMV depending on your body though.

>>9473250
>AP should stop releasing pastel x black prints, it's fucking ugly

Fuck yes, I hate pastels with black, it looks so harsh and cheap.

About the kinksters: I think the whole daddy-littles thing is only acceptable to post in public if it's some fantasy scenario in a fanfic, for a very specific public (Snape and Hermione or some shit).
It's not acceptable to self-post or even fanfic post that stuff in fashion tags.
It's not acceptable to derail a fashion convo into a masturbatory fantasy.
And it's really fucking deranged to post your naked, pimply ass with a binkie stuck in your asshole and try to pass it off as some kind of sex-positive, body-positive, 3rd wave feminist thing. It is completely unacceptable even without figuring in lolita fashion at all. If you ever want a decent job, for the love of everything you hold dear do not post your fucking fetishes and nude pictures online. Why the fuck would you do that, regardless of what other subculture you're involved in? This is not kink-shaming, this is common sense.

>>9488366
I don't think these girls want jobs. They want an older guy to support and have weird sex with them.

>>9488180
Spot the land whale

>>9488374
Talk about having no long-term plans. :(

What is their end goal? Being 42 like kappa palermo, with no income, still trying to sell their droopy asses on tumblr as "little girls", and end up with a collection of STDs and eventually get eaten by their cats?

>>9488380
I'm glad to say I have very minimal experience with these types, but I imagine the only "end game" that could end relatively well for them is if they find someone with decent income to marry to secure their financial future. Theoretically, people with sullied reputations can also start online businesses, but my guess is you won't find many smart enough to do that among that crowd.

>>9488342
..closet child is like an op shop.

>>9488263
Fanny Rose is so beautiful. Does she have a wardrobe post at all?

I hate any kind of mini head accessory, especially mini top hats.

I think teenagers need to gtfo. They almost never have money to afford brand and complain like crazy about it, plus they're so cringey and awkward at meets. I wish meets were 18+.

>>9473107
Oh god, me too. They always get so ridiculously off topic, even when op says to keep it cgl related.

>>9473410
I agree, tea parties are gross.

>>9488422
It's also really uncomfortable to have to hang out with underage randos as an adult

New thread-
>>9488437

>>9488321
Okay then, which 'popular lolita' are you and what are your measurements.

>>9488685
I'm not gonna say who I am because my comm isn't totally seagull friendly, but 36-27-40

>>9488701
If you won't say who you are then your measurements are worthless.

>>9488701
Wow, you're even more disproportionate than I am. Must be hard to find button downs that fit correctly

>>9488701
I have the same measurements and button downs are my death.

>>9488778
Similar measurements and same deal, can barely wear most button downs.

>>9488701
I feel your pain. I'm 34-24-37, and I recently sold most of my blouses and bought a bunch of stretchy shirred chiffon things from taobao. Best choice ever.