/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Truely a pioneer

>>9456593
I'm so excited about this!

>>9456593
Bit sad that a lot of people obviously didn't look at PD's current sizing. And Americans need to stop giving their bra size, nobody else understands. Cm or bust.

>>9456593
Engrish is strong with that one.

What are the average amount of likes you usually get on a CoF post?

>>9456631
~100-200 for average to decent coords, 300+ for good coords with nice photography, or popular lolitas. Anything less than a hundred means you're either ita tier, posted when someone popular did as well, or the photo just sucked.

I was excited for Shelby's new casual/actual daily Lolita group, but already I see a bunch of "well I know it isn't really casual..." And "I know it looks Ott, but insert reason why it totally isn't so I can justify posting it here anyways"
And if you have to ask if it's casual enough to post in the group.. it probably isn't. Take your 20 hairbows and pastel bullshit wigs to closet of asspats like you were before and leave the casual group alone til you wear something fucking casual

>>9456639
>Anything less than a hundred means you're either ita tier, posted when someone popular did as well, or the photo just sucked.
Or it's a very boring/unpopular substyle. Unless the photography is beautiful and the girl is thin and pretty, non-gothic dark-coloured solids do really badly. Oldschool sweet used to do terribly as well but it's having a moment now (blackxwhite has always done all right).

For an AP print, less than 100 is definitely ita though. If it was a recent release and you're one of the first few people to post any old shit can go 300-400+

>>9456631
usually ranges from 400-600

http://uedagakuen.com/index/public_html/kawaii/gosuori/gosurori.html

>>9456671
Milk and Jane Marple store

>>9456593
I really hope with the huge breadth of answers they're getting that Physical Drop doesn't feel pressured to cater to everyone at once. Like hopefully they can just take some pointers and just integrate it into what the designers already like doing. It's still crazy and amazing that a more indie brand is actually approaching the overseas community, hopefully we reward them with lots of sales.

With so many larger girls complaining about sizing though, probably RIP for items fitting my 160 tall / 82 / 66 self.

>>9456697
Those girls are so dumb, a lot of them are giving sizes physical drop already carries

Where can I see which sellers zenmarket doesn't buy from?

>>9456697
Oh hey we got the exact same measurements! Ayy.

>>9456697
god i feel this, Id fit lolita perfectly if I wasn't 175cm tall, but because I'm so tall the waists on jsks and ops hit me like 10 cm above my waist and make me look weirdly proportioned

>>9456608
Yeah the amount of people asking for ridiculously huge sizing shocked me. I wonder if they would even buy full price dresses or if it would flop like when brands used to do plus size.

What the west needs is things that are just slightly longer since most of us are above average Japanese height

>>9456641
What's it called again?
>>9456647
I think it has the most to do with the attractiveness or popularity, not even photo quality and wearing cute sweet classic AP sets

>>9456767
please longer dresses, for the love of god just give us a few more inches

>>9456775
Longer in the torso and in the skirt length pls and thank u

>>9456775
>>9456767
Is wearing underskirts this hard?

>>9456783
an underskirt isn't going to help if you're like >>9456761and the waist of the dress isn't anywhere near your natural waist

>>9456767
>>9456775
Physical Drop dresses are 95-115cm long, how long do you need it to be??

>>9456786
In that case, yes, but with some cuts adding length won't do anything. You should tell them how long your torso is, otherwise it's pointless.

>>9456783
not every dress looks good with an underskirt
>>9456787
i was talking in more general terms, like across the board it'd be great to see dresses just a bit longer

>>9456787
>>9456778
>>9456783

Proportion, not length is the real problem. We don't need those ridiculously long cuts made for short girls to have tea length dresses like PD is doing. Especially as a lolita who would like to wear more sweet, underskirts rarely work and you are still looking ridiculously high waisted in most dresses because of torso length. Literally all I need is 95-100 cm lengths that are proportional. IW is great for me, but it would be nice to have sweet dresses not look fetishistic

>>9456810
Then y'all should've stated that more clearly in your comments, especially considering her english

>>9456593
>ex metamorphose designer
the new meta designer is so much better than the ex designer. theres a reason why meta was never popular until they hired their new designer

>>9456641
DESU I don't think the group is exclusively for casual, it's just for whatever you wore that day, whatever it was.

From last thread: Why is Atelier Boz's website full of broken images?

What's the cheapest way to buy from fril?

>>945683
I haven't been on their website for ages. What a mess. I especialy like the "aaa" on top of the page.

>>9456838
I was wondering the same thing. It's been like that for a couple of weeks at least as well.

>>9456838
>>9456878
>>9456898
Maybe they are finally actualize their website?
I think it it has been the same since 2010.

>>9456838
We went over this last thread. But really it's been like that for months, makes me wonder if ordering still works.

>>9456824
Pretty much anything I want from Meta is an older release. Most of their new stuff just isn't as good, it's trying to do the popular AP thing while keeping the tackiness and just ends up looking bad.

>>9456858
I use Tenshi. She might be a little more expensive but its worth it for good communication and her checking the items.

She'll also communicate with the sellers for you - I'm not sure if the other SS do that.

>>9456985
>>9456858
im seconding tenshi
shes not cheap but you get what you pay for and you shouldnt skimp with shopping services

>>9456941
Yeah a lot of new stuff just looks like SO with a shit color scheme. Some of its god though.

>>9456941
Yeah a lot of new stuff just looks like AP with a shitty color scheme. Some of its god though.

>>9456950
I really REALLY wanted to like this, and I was so hyped from the preview. But god damn its such a disappointment for me. The JSK cut is OK but I think the thing that bugs me the most is how weird the blue stands out on the dress. It seems they went with that ugly darker dusty blue than a cute sax. I would have loved to see this dress in lavender as well.

>end rant

>>9457008
>>9456941

What releases specifically because Meta is known for really doing their own thing (especially around here) so I'm suprised someone would describe them as such. What releases in particular give off an AP vibe to you?
>Inb4 butt-hurt metafag. No I actually like understanding opposite opinions.

>>9457023
I guess I mean like 10-20% of it. Mostly the non simple really sweet prints. I love meta though.

This delusional seller...

https://egl.circlly.com/users/Hoshizora

>>9456985
>>9457002
Anon said cheapest. Either zenmarket or jpn-depot.

>>9457023
Whatever the castle mirage ripoff was called, that one was pretty blatant. Dim light looks like recent AP style, too. Other than Meta's wa pieces, I haven't even noticed most of their new releases being talked about

>>9457161
Dim light was a rerelease

I'm making stuff for my comm for ILD and I'm so excited I could have a goddamn aneurysm. I have to keep myself from jumping the gun and ordering supplies early.

>>9456608
>cm or bust

You >>9457096 I understand where the vibes can come from for that amount of it (10-20%). I agree with your example. I would also say the bakery bear release gives that impression. On the whole as your percentage reflects, they seem to do their own (debatibly-tacky) thing

You >>9457161 on the other hand are less than compelling in your explanation. Especially considering Dim Light is a re-release that predates "recent AP style". It might be more succinct for you to merely say "you don't like meta" then to give me weak examples and talk about their releases being discussed. Discussion has nothing to do with whether or not it's copying AP.

Again. Inb4 metafag. I like compelling explanations of opposite opinions. What you gave me was personal taste trussed up as something discussion worthy.

>>9457161
Dim Light is old though

>>9457184
This too, although it's just a clusterfuck overall.

>>9457184
>>9457192

These two pages put the opening of Kato's online shop somewhere in 2010-2012

http://tawaraya-kato.ocnk.net/diary?page=4
http://blog.livedoor.jp/katokuniko/archives/cat_147817.html

You can clearly see Physical Drop brand being referenced in the 2010 entry.

The earliest date I can find for Dim Light is 2012. Doesn't that make Dim Light the work of the newer designer, then?

>>9456767
I bet all the people asking for huge sizes will flake when it comes to actually buying anything. They always do.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how can I connect with the tokyo lolita comm? If it's on facebook can someone share the group's name? Like the internation one that's mostly foreigners from what I've seen. I'm going to be by myself in Tokyo for a few days due to some schedule errors and I want to see if anyone wants to hang out/if there'll be any meets.

>>9457565

groups/tokyointernationallolitas/

>>9457575
Thank you!!

This is it gulls.
Baby The Stars Shine Bright Paris closed today.
It's the end of an era.

>>9456761
Which brands do you prefer? Because AP jsks often have adjustable straps so waist looks good on me even if i'm taller than you
But yeah, good luck with OPs

>>9457145
Yeah I did, and I know tenshi, but zenmarket doesn't buy from fril anymore. I'll check out jpn depot, thanks.

>>9457486
Kato left meta in 2009 and she already had a different brand before that, called love dice

>>9456985
Does she mark parcels down and let you add things to your order one or two weeks later? Does she charge you in yen? I can't find that info on her website.

>>9456767
Please no longer dresses. I am tiny by Western standards and Asian clothes are the only things I don't have to shorten. I would hate it if all brands suddenly put out longer skirts.

>>9457760
It's not so much about longer skirts but longer torsos imo. Nothing but Haenuli and newer AP really sits right on me because it's too short on my torso, so it looks high waisted when it's not supposed to be. (173 cm btw)

>>9457825
Most physical drop releases are supposed to look high waisted tough

How many pairs of shoes in the same colour becomes excessive? Most wardrobe posts I see have a rainbow of colours with one or two pairs in each colour, but I have a whole bunch of shoes in neutrals (12 black, 7 white/cream, 5 brown) and just one of each other colour.

>>9456761
I totally feel you on that pain. I'm 178cm and my JSKs will forever hit me 10cm+ above my actual waist. :(

What's the best way to get a bonnet to stay put on your head? I have a chantilly bonnet that will not stay put no matter how I tie it and keeps slipping of my head.

>>9457834
I don't think there's really a limit, if you have a variety of designs in colors that work with your wardrobe then that's fine. There aren't any rules about this, you build your wardrobe the way you want it to be and the way it works for you.

>>9457846
I'm 163cm and everything is high-waisted on me because I have a stupidly long torso. I actually worked it out compared to average people once and found out that if my legs were proportional to my torso they'd be about 4" longer. ;_; Luckily lolita hides how low down my legs start, but dresses never, ever hit at the narrowest part of my waist.

>>9457858
I have the same height proportions issue - long torso with relatively short legs. I'm 5'6, but if my legs were better proportioned, I'd be closer to 5'9 or there abouts. I find that IW's longer length dresses with the longer bodices fit me really well, thankfully, as does Atelier Boz, whihc definitely accommodates taller Lolitas well.

>>9457870
Thanks for the tip! It's an awkward thing to fit because I'm not actually that tall, so anything much longer than 98cm makes me look stumpy, but I'll definitely look into IW long length if it has longer bodices.

>>9457847
Sew in hair combs or weave clips

>>9456950
AP HAD to have dramatically reduced stock for that series to sell out. Either that or it was bought out by all the menhera lovers rather than lolitas.

>>9457630
I don't think it's the end of an era until baby closes their US stores.

Do AatP high-waisted skirts normally fit kind of... awkwardly? I just tried one on and it's uncomfortably tight at the waist seam yet gapes wide open at the top under my bra band. I'm under the max waist measurements (~70cm, mine is 65cm) but I feel like I might need to wear a corset under it for it to fit comfortably and 'safely'. The way it fits it feels like all the strain is put on the waist seam where the skirt and band are attached and I worry about damaging it when I breathe in too deeply or something.
I normally love high waisted skirts but I'm starting to regret buying this one.

>>9457942

Cutsew OP was the first to sell out, it's the most casual and least lolita cut. Could be a combination of menhera fans snapping up reduced stock.

>>9457907
You're welcome. The longer bodices with the room sometimes to alter the strap length (depending on jsk cut) means that things just look so much neater. The only downside atm however is that often they're combining the longer lengths into the larger sizing on some of the dresses, something I'm annoyed at as I fit the size M but need the longer length.
If it's a longer length skirt on the dress it's also not necessarily unflattering, as long as you don't mind below the knee skirts - something I prefer anyway.. I find that wearing a high heel of some kind then balances out the shorter leg proportions. For that, I love my Demonia platform boots.

>>9457945

Just about all high-waisted skirts fit me like that, gapey at the top even if they're all right at the waist. I have a pear-shaped body, my underbust is the same size as my waist. I'm guessing you also have a smaller underbust/ribcage than the skirt is made for.

If your shapewear makes your waist smaller (without also making your underbust smaller) that's a decent solution. I ended up selling off those skirts that looked gapey, some of them could probably be reinforced with a bit of interfacing or boning so that they at least stay up by themselves, but I couldn't be arsed dealing with that.

>>9457994
and the fact that the other OP was fugly. is there something wrong with menhera fans buying AP?

>>9457944
It is for us, Paris used to be the jfashion capital to europeans

>>9458029
I think it's moving to London. I wouldn't be surprised if a lolita brand tried to open up shop there.

>>9458026
Nothing wrong with it, it's just that last year was amazing with all the non-bloodbaths and extra stock. People were hyped about this print and then severely disappointed. When it got sold out, it was a surprise. It's more about speculating and finding out what's popular in the lolita community. I know a lot of their skirts were more used in fairy kei and decora, so it's not unusual for other substyles to use AP. I think it's just the first time menhera really has.

>>9458026

Why would you think there's something wrong?

>>9458031
I'd be very shocked especially with Brexit it wouldn't do well.

>>9457834
All my shoes are black

>>9458047
Yeah, that won't become a capital anything of Europe

>>9457834
The majority of my wardrobe is black and the majority of my shoes are black as a result, but your post made me realise I only have 2 pairs max of shoes in other other colours that I just wear to death...

>>9457486
Oh, I just meant it predates the newer AP style that the anon I was responding to was talking about.

>>9458029
I'm from the UK, and desu, since when? We still have our events that brands are invited to, and we can still order online. Why do we need a physical shop with inflated prices?

>>9458090
Maybe it's different for you because you're from the UK but there used to be several jfashion shops and 3 lolita shops in Paris, me and other people I know from Spain, Netherlands and Germany have made trips there just to go shopping. Just like some people go to Tokyo just for shopping.

>>9457112
>Still complaining about Moitie secondhand prices
Just don't buy from them if you're so butthurt, goddamn.

>>9458014
Yeah my underbust is only a few cm larger than my waist but the waistband is made for a much bigger difference. I own several high waisted skirts from IW, Meta, VM and Haenuli and this is the first time I've had this problem. It's the first high waisted skirt I've owned without boning, too. Plus the ribbon in the back is laced through flimsy lace loops and can't take any strain whatsoever so I can't use that to tighten the top. Damnit AatP! I'm going to have to consider if I love the print enough to alter the skirt and kill its resale value.

>>9457926
Thanks anon

>>9457760
No midget

>>9458117
Some random sundress is not worth 500. Girl is cray as it's high even for moitie

>>9458351
And who else is selling that dress at this very moment for less?

I have a question: are shoulder width measurements for dresses like pic related? or it's the lenght of the width shoulders?

>>9458376
That isn't how a second hand market works. Just like the other girl that no one buys moitie from, it will just stay there until it is reasonable.

>>9458391
>or it's the width of the whole shoulders?
sorry i'm tired

Why do so many pretty lolitas have ugly/fat/neckbeard boyfriends? Is it just that lolitas have low self-esteem on average?

>>9458395
And like it's been pointed out to you before, people have already bought a lot from her. I agree this new girl is overpricing her stuff but why do you care so much to bring it up in several generals? Moitie isn't available as much as other brands so people can basically ask whatever the fuck they want and keep lowering it slowly until someone buys it.

>>9458419
yes

>>9458427
Why are you assuming every anon is the same.

>>9458419
maybe they're dating for money?

>tfw you have a nonconventionally attractive bf

>>9458391

Measure it this way. If you have a t-shirt that fits you, put it on and measure it from the top of one sleeve to the other.

>>9458419
because they might be weaby soulmates
it's not all about looks anon.

>>9458712
not them, but this is the second time someone has been whining about Moitie prices on LM in the general recently.
makes sense to assume you're a poorfag who doesn't know how Moitie secondhand prices work, kek

>>9458770
I'm also not them and not poor. But sure anon. Continue thinking we're all the same poorfag because that's the seagull thing to do.

can someone tell me what's going on with JetJ?
what the hell is this design?? just came across this in a 2nd hand shop and this apparently was released in '16

>>9458828
Which 2ndhand shop? This is a dream dress of mine.

>>9458419
A couple reasons

>Nerd guys
Most lolitas are involved in nerdy hobbies or interests, be it anime, gaming, cosplay or whatever. Most dudes with similar hobbies aren't all that attractive. So they bond over shared interests rather than looks.

>Lolitas might scare attractive guys away
It's a flashy fashion and most normal "attractive" dudes are scared away by the flashy clothes or think its something weird.

>Lolitas have different taste
Kinda related to my first point, but maybe most lolitas have a different taste in men. Maybe they aren't attractive to you, but as long as they are happy and in love, who cares?

I'm struggling to think of any lolitas off the top of my head with super attractive boyfriends, but I don't keep tabs on many lolitas personal lives.

>>9458854
oh wow. glad I posted! pardon me for talking shit about your DD

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/violetblue/juliette1/

>>9458862
>Most lolitas are involved in nerdy hobbies or interests, be it anime
Add to that, if it's sweet, most normal guys don't like the "cute" look and prefer mature, sexy, massive tits, etc. Weebs appreciate moe. Most sweets I know seem to end up dating weebs or first-gen Asians. The fact a lot of sweet lolitas are weebs or Asian fetishists is a factor, but I think it's also that those groups are less creeped out by cutesy looks since looking cute and pretty is popular in the mainstream over there.

Same reason a lot of lesbians like lolita IMO/bi girls in the community date girls. Girls tend to appreciate this kind of fashion, most men hate it.

>>9458862
I didn't necessarily mean conventionally attractive. I understand people have different tastes, but a lot of them just look fat and/or gross, like they don't take care of themselves.

>>9458924
This I can actually understand. Most guy friends I've talked to about it admit to finding sweet unattractive-looking on girls, they're generally much more fine with classic and gothic however, due to how it looks more classy and less cutesy.

>>9458862
Huh. Whatever happened to Sae?

>>9458419
My boyfriend is admittedly kind of derpy-looking but he's a really wonderful guy, so it doesn't matter to me. He's hygienic, though. I know some girls in my comm who are dating stinky neckbeards and I don't understand how you can put so much effort into your appearance and not expect your SO to at least shower before an event.

>>9458924
I wear classic and sweet-classic and this is definitely an issue I've encountered with 'normie' guys. It's not that they all want big-titted bimbos but they're definitely more into sexy than cute. Several times I've been rejected with the words "you're so cute, you're like a little sister, I can't date you". My boyfriend on the other hand grew up in Japan and prefers cuteness over overt sexuality, so he likes that I wear lolita whereas most other guys would be turned off.

>>9458419
Lolita is a japanese street fashion. How do people get to know about lolita? Most of the time through anime, manga or other related j-fashions. Most lolitas are or were in some way affiliated with nerdy hobbies like anime/manga or japanese games. Thus their friends and boyfriends tend to like these things as well.

I was pretty relieved I didn't need to explain lolita fashion to my boyfriend, since he already knew about it through anime as well.

Also, please consider most people are ugly or average and therefore most people have ugly or average boyfriends as well. Lolitas are not a rare group of people that should have attractive boyfriends.

I was pretty surprised some of my lolita friends had normal looking boyfriends.

>>9457942
Can you blame them? Last year was a disaster with all the left-over stock.
Somehow I missed participating in blood baths.

>>9457167
Same here Anon! It's hard work but hopefully it'll all work out in the end.
>Been planning for months
>Polls for type of meet/date/location been open for over a month
>Know people will complain they didn't have enough time to plan/whatever people voted for most doesn't work for them
>Don't care, gonna have a fun ILD!

>>9458722
Thank you!

>>9458419
H-having no bf means that i respect myself? W-well I'm not that bad after all... I preserve myself, like grandma said...

>>9459094
>>9458924
Why don't men like sweet. Ah will i ever get a bf

>>9458351
Since when did poorfags feel entitled to moitie? It's always been a more exclusive brand. Harder to get, fewer releases, fewer dresses per release

>>9459190
Yes you will. I'm not into gaming, anime, comics or other nerdy things and I only know one nerdy guy and he is a friend. I have succesfully dated to normie boys, I'm still together with the other. He actually first liked me because I dared to be myself and that was years before we started dating. He is really into old cars and lolita kinda matches so it's pretty cute and fun to combine our hobbies sometimes (obviously outside of carage, however I'm participating in it there too). I find myself often liking more of the shy and not so popular guys. They can be really sweet, fun and understanding but that probably goes for everyone. But in my experience they are definitely more open for lolita. The fashion isn't for everyone though and it's just something one have to accept. Still, honestly, I have never felt bad about a boy disliking my clothes.

>>9456950
All I can see is under-developed bad quality Dreamy Doll house.

>>9457161
Castle mirage was reminiscent of Dim Light

>fixed it for you, thank me later

>>9458862
>but as long as they are happy and in love, who cares?
This is the Lolita Mindset

Not all nerd men who are not a 10/10 are ugly. They can be fit, clean, smart and polite.

>>9459271
I've owned both prints. There is no similarity between Dim Light and Castle Mirage. What prints are you looking at?

However, as much as I love Meta and prefer it over AP, Fantasy Parade definitely is reminiscent of Castle Mirage. It's not a copy, but based on the art and when it came out in relation to Castle Mirage, I'd wager on Meta trying to capitalize on a popular theme.

>>9459349

>>9459349
Dropped text
Is not only about the print, but the color combo, the structure, the bottom sharp silver forms climbing up through the skirt.
Is not only about castles or candles, is the whole design

>>9459362
You realize Castle Mirage wasn't first made with that cut, right? And princess sleeves are hardly unique in lolita.

>>9459120
Disagree. Last year was glorious, full of buying stuff and amazing sales.

>>9459362
Anon, I'm sorry, but you're really reaching. Meta does not have copyright over a navy/silver color combo and princess sleeves. There are far more things dissimilar than similar in these dresses.

>>9459364
Not only talking about that cut. I could have used the jsk version and he same problem applies.
Bottom bright silver/light blue shapes climbing up to a dark navy.
The rest is AP adding pastel no matter what.

>>9459372
Not saying is stolen design or a copy. Just saying that is rather Castle Mirage being reminiscent of Dim Light, than the opposite.

Dim light -> Castle mirage

>>9459376
But no one connected Dim Light with Castle Mirage until you did. One dumb anon said Dim Light reminded them of AP's style. That's it. I happen to agree with you that Dim Light is a great print. But so is Castle Mirage...in an entirely different way.

>>9459114
I'm pretty sure she's still around, she cosplays now too. I think she's on twitter? Maybe another anon remembers better than I do.

>>9459190
Yeah, and in the meantime enjoy your freedom and working on yourself. You'll do much better in a relationship when you've taken the time to improve yourself so you've got plenty to bring to the table and you've given thought to what it is you actually want.

>>9459367
And this was really bad for AP, who is a niche brand and survives on blood baths. Why do youthink we have reduced stock now? Because AP loves to give out cheap burando?

>>9458924
>a lot of sweet lolitas are weebs or asian fetishists
as an asian sweet lolita this always freaks me the fuck out. actually, most of the other sweets i know date asian dudes exclusively. i guess there's nothing wrong with that, but it's weird to me. especially because i've heard "i wish i were asian!" from two different sweets i've known. like, what? how is that okay?

>>9459094
i am the pastel vomit kind of sweet and i managed to catch myself a "normie on the outside, turbonerd on the inside" type of guy. finding someone who is willing to be seen with me in public is a godsend. i feel like a lot of dudes (at least in America) are just looking for sex appeal, plus they might not want all of the attention that comes along with dating a poof monster. but there are some good ones who can still appreciate cute without being fetishy or anything. have faith!

It's almost two months now since Lolibrary went down.

>>9459976
It works just fine tho? What are you talking about?

>>9459978
idk, it exists, but the new layout is pretty bad imo.

>>9459981
I think they are still actualizing it and they had to chose between it being down for few months and having an incomplete version.

>>9459517
Yeah, it's pretty creepy, although I've never encountered a lolita who openly said she only dated Asians, since it'd be seen as racist here. I just see it as a pattern with a lot of girls I know (plus them constantly sharing yaoi shit and k-idol stuff on Facebook) and wonder if it's coincidence or just fetishism. I'm a lesbian anyway, but in my experience guys raised in Asia are less freaked out by lolita than my white friends - like, even if their personal fetish is for chubby MILFs or whatever, they understand the concept of girls wanting to be cute, whereas a lot of the white friends or second/third-gen Asian guys I know genuinely seem baffled by it.

People comment a lot on here about toned-down classic being the most normie-friendly style but it's mostly just appreciated by women and the elderly IMO...all the guys I know dislike it because they think it's boring, sexless, whatever. Gothic is the only thing that seems to be okay.

Couldn't find a new comm thread, so I'll ask here (please let me know if there's a better place to post this). Because of my job, I'm going to be moving to Seattle in less than a month and I have no friends up there. How is the lolita comm there? Are people friendly and well dressed? Or are there mostly cliques and drama? I'm not trying to demand the best comm in the world, just wanting to know if I can expect to meet like-minded individuals.

>>9458924
I feel like most Lolita's in the community date within their own race, especially if they're white. The only two I can think of who have/had Asian boyfriends are Dejavudea (who is also a cosplayer) and LolitaCharm/Victoria. Most white weebs end up dating other white weebs.

And no one blinks an eye at an Asian woman/white dude couple, which is way more common in weeb/cosplay/lolita circles.

>>9459114
>>9459406
You're getting her confused with Takulu, anon, who was in that same friend group and also cosplayed. Sae seems to be gone, I tried searching her username through google to see if other sites care up but nothing. Maybe I can find her through Takulu's twitter if they are still friends?

>>9460001
>Gothic is the only thing that seems to be okay.

Goths are already an established group. If your coord is gothic enough, people tend to think that you are a normal goth, so you can skip the whole awkward name part. But still you will most likely be treated like a weirdo.

>>9459361
One is a castle one is a table top, are you retarded?

>>9460001
Your comm sounds awful

>>9458419
This is pretty shallow. Maybe it's not about looks. I see a great variety in what people date, though, so maybe your comm is just like that.

>>9460016
I think I found her. I went through Takuku's follows and found someone with a similar handle as Sae's original yaplog. She had a baby? I don't know Japanese so there's a strong chance I'm wrong.
http://yaplog.jp/milukyun/ was her original blog

>>9460030
Did more digging and yep, it's her! She got married. She looks super thin now, or maybe it was just hidden under the layers of Lolita.

She had another blog here: http://mblg.tv/milukyuny/

Kinda sad that so many of the Lolitas I admire are now marrying, having kids, and settling down. Makes me feel old.

>>9458419
I noticed this in some cases. In my lolita online comm most have attractive or average looking guys hopefully, most them are into some alt style or nerdy, few are meh/too normie looking. I never liked super normie looking guys nor greasy neckbeards, i'm into goth or alt dressed medium-long haired guys that care of themselves even if they aren't that handsome. A not so good looking guy dressed well, with the right haircut makes a great difference compared to a unkept scruffy guy. I would never get why some lolitas choose the latter type but well it's OK.

>>9460019
IMO it's because goths are already mildly fetishized as sexxxy death chixxx so guys see it as a sexy style and assume you're into bondage or something, rather than thinking you're repressed/an age regressor/an ageplayer.

>>9460035
Don't really know what is worse. But hey, if word "goth" is associated with a subculture and not a barbaric tribe, than maybe sometimes soon "lolita" won't be automaticly associated with Nabokov?

>>9458862
>tfw bf is hot, fit, charismatic, smart and a fucking weeb/nerd who loves lolita, loves learning about the dresses, styles and cuts, brands, etc.

i was really hesitant to date him because he appeared way too normie, but he turned out to be much deeper than his public facade. also i didn't even find him attractive at first, even though pretty much anyone would say he's a good looking guy even if he wasn't their taste.

>>9460025
Ehh, it's a vocal minority of weebs, it's not like it's the whole comm. For >>9460012, I don't raise eyebrows just from seeing an Asian guy and white girl dating - it's no big deal - I just can't help noticing that (aside from one or two girls) the ones who consistently seek to date Asians also often can't shut the fuck up about their yaoi husbandos and who they're stanning for this week. Fluff/shipping is one thing, but I genuinely don't understand why fujoshi feel comfortable discussing and reccing porn on their open Facebook - people would find it weird if normies did that.

Can someone who speaks Japanese help me? What is the difference between ロリィタ and ロリータ? They both mean Lolita.

>>9460152
I could be wrong, but I think the first is a short 'lolita' and the second is more of a 'loliita' with emphasis on the i.

>>9460152
The first one will usually give you more relevant lolita fashion results, the second was the spelling used for Nabokov's novel. Both tags are pretty muddy though.

>>9459978
I'm mostly worried about all the new releases that aren't being added to the database.

>>9460234
Me too, it's possible someone like Rainedragon has been keeping tabs on it but it's gone on for so long that there are bound to be gaps. No ability to update old entries either so I've had to save pics I've found in a folder with a note of the links.

>>9457834
>>9458071
Same anon. Half my wardrobe is black so it's normal to have a lot of black shoes (I keep buying gothic platforms that I can't walk in and then having to buy flat shoes as well), but for the rest of it it's basically one pair per other colour apart from red.

Is it normal for facebook buyers to ask tons of questions, ask for more pictures and/or say they're interested and then disappear without any answer? If I'm waisting my time taking extra photos, PMing you, checking items for bigger measurements or telling you where I bought a sold out item, you can take the two seconds to write "thank you, but I'm not interested anymore".

>>9460272
Yeah, it's normal. Annoying as fuck though.

I just got a printer and was going to make myself some stickers with brand logos. Some of them are pretty bad, pic related. The classic brands are mostly boring, just the words in kinda fancy fonts. Baby's logo is really cute though, the B in the fancy heart.

this week's release.
that "headbow"
yikes

>>9459517
The whole "i wish i was asian" thing just stems from jealousy over the appeal of "exotic" women even though if you think about it with travel and the internet were all either exotic to someone or were so connected so well nobodys exotic anymore. Men now especially western men like the appeal of an asian woman imo because they are seen stereotypically as smaller and more submissive and wanting to please the man. Also because of the fetish material tenticle porn hentai crazy bullshit that effects the attraction of some men. little women are easier to make a man feel more manly and easily overpower the weaker female. Guys get off on it instead of strengthening themselves they pick and are attracted to less physically strong less outspoken and less tall females than maybe western women for example.

>>9460299
I didn't even like this beforehand but thanks for continuing the high-waist shit, AP. Really appreciate it. /s

Also that headbow is awful. Legit looks like scrap fabric.

>>9460299
Okay but that headbow seriously looks like something you'd see in a bad handmade thread. All you need to do is take a picture of it with dim light with some cat hair in the background and some dirty fingernails peeking into the shot.

>>9460299

Man I really feel like the print has a lot of potential to be cute and sophisticated but the cuts just ruin it.

>>9460299
again, a print where i would've thrown all my money at if it came in a cut that suits me. first the hospital shit, then misty sky and now this.

also, can somebody explain that headbow to me?

>>9460299
The head bow is awful but the print is adorable

>cramming for a test tomorrow
>decide i'll have more fun if I wear lolita while doing it
>zipper tears while I put on the dress
>can't do it or undo it
>can't take the dress off

It was a pretty cheap dress, how do I get this zipper open!

>>9460166
unfortunately, in searching on something like y!ja for lolita items you'll find most listings use ロリータ as a tag

>>9460247
>I keep buying gothic platforms that I can't walk in
oh my gosh thank you, I thought I was the only one.
I adore these kinds of shoes but after 30 mins I can't walk comfortably at all.
I'm a lonelita but do you bring the flats with you to meets and switch shoes? (assuming you are in a comm)

>>9460297
that's not Maxicimam's only logo
they have several sub-brands or labels, kind of like Meta's Crown Label, and the lolita logo (as opposed to the punk label's) is actually very cute. I love their signature crown motifs.
try to find good quality of pic related for printing

there other, possibly older, logo that I've found on the tag of one of my pieces has an elongated cross and the letters MAM are reminiscent of smoke or candle flames. pretty neat, wish I had a pic for you

>>9460424
Buy actually nice white or black mary janes.

>>9460297

>>9460299
why doesn't AP carefully make sure the print isn't cut off between bodice and skirt anymore? where has that attention to quality gone?
this looks like To Alice shit and I miss when taobao brands were scrambling to copy big brands, and not the other way around???

>>9460450
I have a theory that big brand releases are starting to look like Taobao releases because they think that's what's popular. They don't understand that Taobao releases are growing in popularity because they're cheap and of relatively decent quality, not because people are sooo in love with the looks-wise cheapness of their prints.

>>9460373
What do you mean, the zipper tore? Did the teeth come out? If the zipper can't be fixed just take the whole thing out and get it replaced. Have a friend seam rip you out of it!

>>9460461

The teeth are all warped and the zipper is coming apart from the seam. It's like 1 AM but I'm about to make my room mate seam rip this bitch off of me. Wish me luck!

>>9460446
the thing is they are nice black mjs, just chunky gothy platform mjs
>pic related for shoes, not aggression lol

>>9460468
If you have a needle nose plier you can also pull out the warped teeth and get the zipper tab down that way. Good luck on getting out of the dress and on your test!

>>9460453
I'm worried that AP is actually budgeting less for production but keeping retail prices the same.
most of everything they've been releasing is clip-art printed onto sateen or other thin looking fabrics.
I hope they stop the identity crisis soon and realize they are the trendsetter. I want beautiful creative series with cuts for adults! no more stuff that Risa would wear to bed

>>9460299
I saw this on the AP website and it looked so nice on the model, now that I see this image I'm just disappointed. That headbow is bizarre, is it meant to be a bone motif or just really wonky bows? The print looks pretty cute even though I'm not into animals on prints but the cuts are just ugly, why is AP insisting on these childishly high waisted cuts that are unflattering on everyone with any bust?
>>9460477
>I want beautiful creative series with cuts for adults! no more stuff that Risa would wear to bed
This so much, the cuts they're putting out rn look like they're either designed for children or like straight up maternity tent dresses, they don't look good on any body type. Not to mention they seem to be putting out less and less skirts as well, what are they going for?. AP seems like they're confused at the moment. I just hope other brands don't start to follow suit.

>>9460477
>>9460512

Thing is, they've done the adult cuts. Victorian Letter long jsk and Mercator had both a long jsk and a bustier jsk. Most of these sold out pretty slow, in Mercator's case I think the long jsk sold out slower than the high-waist cut. Dolly Cat is another one that had a low-waisted cut that sold out slower, and girls bitched about the low-waist cut looking weird on them afterwards.

I love AP, but sometimes I really wonder if I'm in the right brand. Everybody else wearing this brand seems to actually love the high-waisted tent dresses, idk.

>>9460564
the dresses you mentioned are still made for short people with small busts (nothing wrong with that, they're an asian brand after all)
when you create a pattern, you have consider different things when you create a cut with a lower waist vs a cut that is supposed to fit a person with a long torso.

what people mean when they say "stop the children cuts" is "make a dress that accomodates my torso length and bust width" and not "make a dress with a drop waist and shirring that is still meant for short people with small busts"

a babydoll cut can still look good on a busty and tall person btw, lolita brands just don't make clothes for them. it all depends on the tayloring.

>>9458419
My bf is tall and fat, but I generally prefer big guys tho, so it's not a problem for me. He's also super sweet, kind, patient and good looking imo.
I've dated more attractive guys and they hated Lolita or just treat it like a fetish. I couldn't even talk about the fashion because they told me to shut up or just ignore me. My bf is supportive, even if he prefers toned down coords.

A friendly reminder that only fat people in denial whine about high waisted cuts.

>>9456532
wtf is meto?

>>9460065

Same.

>>9460447
>>9460445
Thank you! I saw that one but not a very good quality version. I'll have to look for the cross version.
Innocent world has a cute thing they occasionally embroider onto stuff.

>>9460001
Will guys ever stop thinking with their dicks?
I'm not attracted to them so I dont care much but I feel for all the heterosexual lolitas out there.

>>9460776
And tall people too anon
I cry every time

>>9460776
And thin people who don't enjoy looking pregnant.

>>9460605


Actually, you can judge the size of the bodices by how they sit on mannequins (which seem to be a uniform size worldwide for some reason). Most AP dresses fit the mannequins pretty neatly, but Mercator and Victorian Letter’s long jsks tend to have fabric wrinkles and pooling around the waist, the bodices are generally too long for the mannequin’s torso so it always sits weird because the dress waistline is trying to get past the mannequin's hips.

The other example you can look up is Cosmic jsk, the stock photos have saggy boobs. But irl, the dress looks decent on larger-than-small girls, it’s the mannequin’s boobs that’s too small to fill out the dress.

Only Dolly Cat might be made for smaller girls, since there’s little to no such fabric distortion on their mannequins.


The other thing is, if girls are already chosing the high-waisted kiddy cuts still ahead of the less kiddy cuts that are still made in their size, it looks even less promising if you want them to make dresses with even longer torsos. Their main clientele has spoken, and you’re not it. Which was the main point of my post in the first place.

>>9460001
Most of my friends are dudes and I'm dating a dude and in general their opinions on lolita are
>sweet: really weird, maybe cute on very young-looking girls but creepy on anyone who looks 16+, assumed to be into kinky shit but in a bad way
>classic: stuffy, boring, classy but sexless at best and grandmalike at worst, assumed to be extremely prudish
>gothic: tryhard but the most sexy, therefore the most desirable (except to my bf who hates gothic fml), assumed to be into kinky shit in a good way
Basically the take home message here is that if your main priority is appealing to guys, don't wear lolita. I'm sure there are guys out there who do like it but overall this fashion is a dick-repellant.

My bf has come to accept my wardrobe but I think that if I'd been wearing lolita when we met (rather than vintage sundresses), he would never have asked me out. Kind of weird to think about, to be honest.

>>9460850
>but overall this fashion is a dick-repellant
mostly because it is a pretty feminist fashion.
even if they don't know it, they're probably reacting to it like that because how dare a woman want to dress cute? how dare a girl wear clothing with an aesthetic she likes for herself and not for men? and if they even/also prefer "sexy", it's obviously only to be attractive to men, of course.
>gag

AP is releasing some special sets.

>>9460899

>>9460902
And a yukata

>>9460902
I love the border print but I hate everything else

>>9460841
Doesn't the long JSK usually go for quite a high price secondhand? Someone must want it.

>>9460904
I want that, but what an ugly obi.

>>9460850
Just find and date a guy already into EGA and ouji. Thats what I did and I love it.

>>9460008
Here's the new thread to ask for advice. >>9460929

>>9460927

Well yeah, it's usually being hunted down by taller/bustier girls.

Not that this helps much, because AP isn't tracking secondhand sales. All they can see is the girls who want kiddy-style cuts buy way more dresses from their stores than the girls who want dresses with longer torsos.

>>9460945
>AP isn't tracking secondhand sales
And then they wonder why a bunch of their dresses sat in sales forever last year, they don't even bother seeing what people are looking for and buying and try to incorporate those elements into their designs for the next year.

>>9460899
Very tempting.
That headdress though...

>>9460896
lol

>>9460896
this actually.
I got like two girls asking me "but don't you want boys to be attracted to you? no man is going to want you dressed like that" and a guy telling me it was "a shame that i dressed like that" because i "look cute"
That was pretty annoying.
Also laughing at the two girls because even then I still got some dudes after me. But not the good kind. Egh.

>>9460477
Ribbon Berry bunny was decent cuts and a nice cotton. They are still doing it occasionally and it's interesting that that completely sold out, but AP probably assumes it's because strawberry print. Which I guess is pretty true, but for me they really hit the mark with that release.

>>9456593
Physical drop mostly looks like frumpy shit. I'm glad she created her own brand.

>>9460850
Honestly, lolita being dick-repellent is such a pro for me. I have a boyfriend and he loves my clothes both for the aesthetic and for the fact it's anti-slutty. I feel uncomfortable in most normalfag clothing nowadays because I don't want to be seen as a sex object by guys. I'm fairly skinny but hourglass-shaped and I hate wearing skinny jeans and tight-fitting tops because I just feel like I'm exposing my "curves". Lolita allows me to cover it all up and look cute to boot so it's perfect.

>>9460424
I can walk in them as long as it's a flat, even surface (e.g. indoors) and I'm not going to be on my feet walking for like ten hours, so I look at what the meet will involve and how long it will take me to get there and decide that way. Sadly my route into the city is not a flat, even surface because the pavements round here are shit and there are a lot of stairs, so sometimes I'll take a photo in my better shoes then change before I head out. I'm yet to find a pair of truly flat shoes that are goth enough, so I usually end up in boots or platforms which only have a small heel once you ignore the platform. If I'm walking a lot I usually just won't wear gothic.

>>9460446
Not goth enough without platforms (I have three different platform pairs though). I do have two pairs of low-heeled Mary Janes (one with bows for sweetish stuff, one very plain for classic/old school) but they don't work in goth goth and they still have enough of a heel to be uncomfortable.

>>9460899
>>9460902
AAAA these look amazing and that headress is so cute
what is the 4th color with british crown? my japanese sucks but i see ivory wine kon(???) and black

>>9460902
Why do we need yet another high waisted British Bear, AP? Wasn't the last JSK enough? And the last special set? ffs.

>>9460987
Also, Charlotte's Bear, not British Bear, I'm stupid.

>>9460959
Im sorry but whats going on here? It seems like "society" cant get its opinions down.
>dress for other people
>fit in or people stare/comment/touch you or your clothes cause duh ur dressed weird, it happens cause u.
>body positivity
>muh curves
>no slut shaming
>effurbeautystandards
>wear what u want act how u want no1 curr its 2017
>dress to attract men
>no one will want you if you dress like that
>"its a shame you dress like that cause ur cute"
Im sorry but what are we supposed to do? Dress for ourselves and act how we want or do we need to dress to attract men?

>>9460959
I got used to hearing that shit from my family, when really the reason I wasn't popping out babies is because I was busy getting a degree. Now that I have a degree and a fiancé, they blame the degree for the lack of babies. Actually lolita is a big reason I don't have kids yet but it's more because I don't want to give up my expensive hobby than because I can't get a mayun.

>>9460967
Same. I love that I don't get hit on while wearing it. I get harassed in other ways but that's easier to shake off somehow.

>>9460992
b urself
but only if urself is exactly like we want you to be

>>9460850
I have mostly male friends and this is their reaction too, plus one of them is into history and also thinks a lot of Victorian and Edwardian-inspired classic looks creepy because only children wore knee-length skirts in those eras.

I don't mind because I'm gay and repelling guys is fine by me (guys I know that do like lolita have mostly said it's cute but they can't see it as sexy, like a little sister, whatever), but
>My bf has come to accept my wardrobe but I think that if I'd been wearing lolita when we met (rather than vintage sundresses), he would never have asked me out. Kind of weird to think about, to be honest.
really got to me. I have literally been told this by several normie friends, including girls - that now they've got to know me they think lolita is cute, harmless, whatever, but if I'd been wearing it when we first met they would have assumed I was an attention-seeker or fetishist and not even spoken to me. I'm having a hard time meeting people at uni already so this is the main thing putting me off wearing lolita more often...sometimes I wish I was a loner like in high school and didn't need to worry about first impressions, but I like having IRL friends too much.

>>9460982
4th color is dark blue/navy.

>>9460899
Wish they'd sell the headdress separately, I already have British Crown and want it as an accessory.

>>9461006
>looks creepy because only children wore knee-length skirts in those eras.
I know gulls can get over-defensive about ageplay but a big influence of lolita is children's clothes and dolls from those areas.

I have no issue making friends and meeting people because of lolita. Probably because I don't want to be friends with people who would judge me and make such assumptions about how I dress before getting to know me.

>>9461029
>I know gulls can get over-defensive about ageplay but a big influence of lolita is children's clothes and dolls from those areas.
I know, I accept it's an influence but I don't think it's creepy (shorter skirts are more pravtivak, after all). He does.

People who "don't judge" you from your clothes can be just as horrifying, since chances are they're still making weird assumptions about you and are just unusually non-judgemental about hanging around with someone who parades their fetishes in public. An old roomie saw lolita stuff on my FB and asked me about it when we first met, so we chatted about it a bit and I thought she was chill. Found out months later that she had actually thought lolita was an ageplay fetish thing despite what I said and had been making jokes to all her friends about it - but still moved in with me. She found out later that it wasn't, but I'm kind of freaked out by the fact she was happy to live with someone she thought was a closet pedo.

>>9461050
*pravtivak= practical, mobile-posting is hard

>>9461050
I don't know what culture you are from, but here people are straight forward and outspoken (to the point foreigners consider us rude) so if someone thought I am wearing something fetish related they would ask me about it

>>9461070
China?

>>9460836
people who are ACTUALLY thin look just fine in highwaisted cuts

i have a feeling that some people here have an inaccurate idea about what thin is in regards to their own bodies

>>9461070
Haha, I envy you. I'm a blunt autist and kind if wish I could move.

>>9460899
>>9460902
Damn such a dramatic price difference between these .

>>9460776
>Hourglass figure

My waist is my best asset, no shit I'd prefer to show that off than look pregnant.

>>9461087
again
>fat people in denial

>>9460959
Ew fuck those slutty cunts

>>9460234
If you are that worried you can save the item links to the waybackmachine or offer your help as becoming a contributor yourself. I know they are currently understaffed and they weren't even able to catch on with everything when lolibrary was still up with all its functions. It's gonna be tough for the 2-3 volunteers to get back on track with all the new releases once lolibrary is fully back up again.

>>9461050
Pedo =/= ageplay
The ignorance of normies...

>>9461083
60cm waist, 80cm bust and sticklike arms. AP's babydoll cuts make me look pregnant unless I wear a belt with them, which looks like shit. Maybe you're the one overestimating how good you look in these cuts.

>>9460982
kon is short for cornflower blue, it's a dark blue, more saturated than navy

>>9461087
same anon!

>>9461088
I know it's hard for you to see outside of the body shapes and fat distribution in your family gene pool but there literally are other people with different compositions in the world.

>>9460949

In the case of Mercator it wouldn't help anyway, all cuts go for pretty high-ish. Including the kiddier higher waisted cut.

>>9461050
Ageplayers and pedos are not one in the same anon.

>>9460977
have you checked out the sprite model by demonia? i wear gothic and oldschool too and they're my go-to lolita shoes when i need to walk a long time and/or on difficult surfaces. i have pic related and i'm planning to buy the heart ones to elevate my oldschool sweet coords.

>>9460992
it's almost like different opinions can exist in a society...

>>9461092
I already was contributing, you don't need to volunteer to do that. But I can't do that now that it's down, I'm just saving images on my computer at the moment.

>>9461167
Apparently she thought so. She also had a bf at the time who was super into anime lolis (as in characters that look like kids) and liked her because she was flat-chested, so maybe she just didn't care about associating with people with pedo tendencies.

>>9461174
Those also look a little sweet for a lot of my goth stuff. I have something similar to the Demonia Kera 08 but lifting the heavy sole gets tiring after a long day and they're still a risk of breaking your ankle on really uneven surfaces, and IMO they don't work well with non-oldschool gothic either.

>>9461090
Well I wouldnt call them that but I think dressing solely for men is...dumb? They probably think my japanese dresses look dumb but I find them equally dumb to care about such a thing.
Also the funny thing is that I'm not even into boys.Only ever had gfs. Both of them thought i looked wonderful in lolita and even asked me to try.

>>9461207
imo they have that slightly sweet vibe that seperates gothic lolita from western goth, that's why i like them a lot. yeah, i agree that shoes of kera height can be too uncomfortable. i also own swing, charade and bravo shoes by demonia and they all get uncomfortable after a while.

what i haven't owned or tried on are pic related (abbey), they look less sweet, have a reasonable heel height for walking and the extra straps seem to add more support to the ankle. although i've heard from other people that the ones with the crossed straps are uncomfortable because the straps sit weirdly on the foot. (but those would look too sweet anyways)

>>9461087
>>9461140
Cow tits aren't kawaii.

>>9461255
being retarded isn't kawaii

>>9461267
take u and ur bewbz outta muh fashion

>>9460299
Cinema doll and holy lantern's hideous lovechild

>>9461234
Yeah, I've been eyeing up the Abbey 08 for a while but not sure if I can justify it because my experience of Demonia heels (not boots) is that they're super hard and uncomfortable as heck, even though they're more durable and feel more like real shoes than most lolita brands. I have Demonia Charade and Abbey 03 Mary Jane platforms and they both have a really hard toebox that gets painful after a while. Most Bodyline shoes have the same hard toebox issue, but I owned those multi-strap platform BPN knockoffs they did that look similar (pic related) and they're way more comfortable than the Demonias I have.

>>9461291
Dropped pic

Want some advice on wearing lolita to concerts.

I got a free ticket to see the flaming lips and the guy I'm seeing wants me to dress up for it - good idea or bad idea? why exactly?

All I can think is that if it's crowded, it'll suck. Also if I'm standing the entire time, I probably can't wear heels.

>>9461325
I think it depends on whether the concert is in a closed space or not. If no, I think you could figure something out, but if yes, it could be suffocating.

So, I was just browsing Wunderwelt and came across this. What

>>9461351
kek, wunderwelt strikes again.

>>9460299
>French theme
>no beret

>>9461337
I just looked at the seating chart. Its mostly standing room only. I don't know what kind of tickets he got but I'm betting we're standing the entire time. And that it'll be crowded.

This kind of bums me out. It's definitely one of his favorite bands and he was looking for like, the perfect time for him to first see me in lolita. I really want to pull this off.. but all those layers in a crowd of people sounds like a really terrible idea.

>>9461325
>>9461366
Wear Bodyline or something else you wouldn't mind getting too dirty and tossing in the washing machine (+ no ribbons or lace that can get snagged), go minimal on the petti and wear comfy shoes that are tough enough to survive some jumpy asshole stepping on them. If your dude wanted to see you all done up in the finest of finery he shouldn't have chosen a standing room concert, nobody wears their best clothes there. Maybe go out for a coffee a few days later and go all out then?

>>9461366
I worded it wrong, I meant to ask if it's open-air or not. I do recommend to take normal shoes either way. If you really want to have a full coord, take them as a second pair, so you can change into them anytime.

>>9461140
sorry I can't help that my genes are superior to yours

>>9461325
I've worn lolita to visual kei and metal concerts loads of time and it was fine, just don't go to the front rows or mosh

>>9457858
I feel you, anon. I'm your height and have a longer torso too, everything hits mid-rib cage instead of my actual waist ; ~ ;
I've just accepted that I have to adjust shoulder straps on dresses for it to look right.

>>9458862
Mostly these reasons. I find myself more attracted to the nerdy crowd because of mutual interests and personalities, and if I explain what I'm wearing to a nerd they'll just take it in stride versus normies that give you a really weird look [of course that's just my personal experience]. I wear lolita to my DnD group and never once have dealt with someone harassing me about why I'm wearing what I'm wearing, they just seem more of an accepting group of people than most other people.
>waiting for my perfect nerdy, chubby tech bf

>>9461366
Check out the casual thread, there should be stuff there to give you inspo.

>>9457858
I'm 173 and only newer AP actually sits where it's supposed to on my waist. It hurts when older dream dresses don't fit right because of that.

>>9461351
>>9461355
Is that from Bing Translation? Google Translate has it as 'Spoofing Girl'.

Random and possibly stupid question:
Do you think that it is necessary to remember the names of the prints? I've been into lolita for few years now, and no matter how hard I try, I can't remember the damn names. I have nightmares in which someone asks me what my favorite brand is, and then tells me to recite their 5 most popular prints.

>>9461424
No lol, there are too many chocolate, melty, pretty, cross, misty, royal, biscuit, cookie, and princess names to keep straight. I just save pics with the names of the prints so i can revist a dress if I need its name

>>9461424
Nope. Maybe know the name of the one you're wearing? You can always make up a joke name if you're put on the spot.

>>9461132
I thought it was just the katakana version of 紺 (navy blue, also romanized as kon).

>>9461255
anyone feminine can be kawaii
whether the tits are big, small, or trans

>>9461415
>more like spoogin' girl

>>9461414
But what about sleeve length? It feels like it's gotten shorter in comparison to older dresses, now blouses look kind of ridiculous on my long arms.

When is too hot to wear velvet? Planning a trip and average temperature when I'm going is 16-18°C (60-65°F), but could easily get into the mid-20s (high 70s in F) on some days though. I've gotta stay a month with only a small case and wanted to bring a bunch of stuff in the same colour to make laundry easier, which is easiest to do with my wardrobe using black, but a lot of jfash and normie black clothes are velvet. I can't have bare legs to compensate and I can't bring a parasol while travelling.

>>9461534
Beauty is suffering anon, always remember that

>be me
>be poor
>see a full alice and the pirates coord on LM for $450
>seller agrees to payment plan for $50 a week
>make last payment last Friday
>seller sent it in the mail on saturday
>it was meant to arrive today
>check status updates between my 2 jobs
>"undeliverable" due to incomplete address
>panic

Ive already called the post office but my first job gets out after all the people who could help have already gone home.
They told me to call in the morning. Which i will 1st thing at 6am to see if I can pick it up.
My second job is done at 10pm. Good bye sleep.
I already messaged the seller incase its already en route to be returned.
Im so freaked out right now.

>>9461562
Don't panic, anon, it'll be okay! It's a good thing you messaged the seller too. Call the post office in the morning and go pick up your coord, I'm rooting for you!

Is it normal for sellers to never give you buyer feedback if you give them a review that isn't glowingly positive? Every shady seller I've ever dealt with has never bothered giving me feedback, even though I didn't actually give them a neutral/negative.

>>9461576
>shady sellers
>not giving feedback

Not sure what you expect, anon.

>>9461594
It's just so petty and seems like it's out of spite. I'm not talking massive shadiness, just stuff like minor damage that the seller didn't disclose, claimed not to have noticed and immediately gave me a partial refund for, or the seller taking a few days more than they said they would to ship. Do people expect you not to mention it in a review if they already refunded you or something?

>>9460965
Agreed. A lot of the newer PD cuts are too narrow for lolita, while others are awkwardly long for casual looking dresses with high waists.

I am not a fan at all of that brand and I don't know anyone who is. It looks like boring normie clothes that wouldn't fit right

>ill two last weeks
>not having anything better to do so looking at lolita sales
>doing this for entire two weeks
>going outside and remembering that most people don't wear lolita

I don't know why but this came to me as a shock. I usually know that I'm the one that dresses weird, but today I was like: "the hell is wrong with you people, why are you wearing this?"

>>9461365
This doesn't look like Olive Garden

>>9461602
Possibly. I've given all of those things you've mentioned a pass before because I realized that a huge majority of sellers don't actually ship the day they say they're going to or try to batch their shipments in one trip rather than multiple.

>>9461693
It's not fair to other buyers to not mention it IMO - you're still giving them a positive so their numbers don't change and it shouldn't cause them issues if it's genuinely a one-off, but if they do it all the time to multiple buyers it'll start to impact on them, as it should. Talking like, 5+ days late here, not just 1-3, if it wasn't already stated in their TOS or listings that they can't ship til the weekend.

>>9461714
This. I hate leaving feedback for 5 stars, 100+ because I know it won't change the amount of stars even though the experience was less than stellar. I tend to be overly wordy in my explanation to compensate.

>>9461424

You need to be able to be specific when it counts, for eg if you’re posting a WTB or FS, it’s going to look dodgy if you don’t know a print comes in three different “blue”. Worse still if you’re selling and you describe the wrong thing. Write it down somewhere if you can’t remember, someone said they have a spreadsheet to keep track of information about their wardrobe a few threads back, which seems like a good idea.

Another one is you claim a print or dress is your absolute favoritest most adorable thing in the whole wide world, you’ll look fake if you can’t be arsed to remember its name (unless you genuinely don’t know it, for eg an old school release from who-knows-when).

And of course, if you’re going to use a dress in a discussion (about designers or whatever), don’t get the details wrong, because people will look up the dress.

Outside of that, it’s totally okay not to care. Older Baby releases had some of the weirdest names anyway, leading up to the infamous Longest Name print.

>>9461008
>>9461132
thanks anons!

There's no ID thread atm, so can anybody id the dress under the cape if possible?

>>9462006
It's actually a salopette!

https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-candy-gingham-salopette

>>9462006
Sorry for my misfire anon! I'm drunk and wasn't paying attention, it's from AP's Candy Gingham series but it's not the salopette! There's not a lolibrary listing for a JSK though, only the skirt and salopette.

>>9462042
(OP here) I just had a look and I think it's the skirt! It's just sitting very fitted to the waist + the cape covering the top makes it look like a JSK bottom. Thankyou for the name!!

>>9462057
you're welcome!! I thought there was a JSK in this series too but the tequila may be lying to me lol

>>9460299
I really like this in the white. I think overall it could be very wearable normally. That's more than I could say for last weeks.

>>9460776
Sorry about your pear/apple shape, anon.

>>9461617
Everything you said is wrong

>>9462308
Here's hoping that PD releases some tall girl friendly shit now that they're reaching out to the community.
I LOVE this lace apron they're releasing, I need it in Navy.

>>9461617
do you have eyes or

>>9461424
My favorite brand is JetJ and there's no way I'm going to remember any of those French names

>>9461424
No. Don't worry about it. There are so many release names. Lolibrary exists for a reason.

>>9461424
If it's a popular print like a lot of AP or motherfucking Iron Gate it'd make you seem super new and ignorant not to know it. I mean, it's weird if you're wearing Nameless Poem and some girl comes up to you all "OMG, is that Nameless Poem?" and you just give her a blank stare. But if it's BtSSB, JetJ etc nobody will give a shit. There are maybe some AatP prints that are popular/rare enough that it'd seem weird not to know their names (End of Immortal Eden, Vampire Requiem, etc), but not much.

>>9461534
I'd say go for it anon, when it hits mid 20s you can wear your non velvet stuff or stay out of the sun. maybe buy a pair of light spring pants for those days if you can't have bare legs.

>>9461562
as long as you catch it before they resend it back to the seller you'll be fine. Just have an ID or mail with your name/address on it and be like "a frilly dress is inside and it is for me i swear" lol

>>9461424
>I have nightmares in which someone asks me what my favorite brand is, and then tells me to recite their 5 most popular prints.
i feel bad for laughing at this but i did
going to find lolitas (that are my friends) at the next convention, ask who their favorite brand is, and then go "oh yeah well name 5 of their albums"

>>9462356
I don't know any AP prints by name other than holy lantern but I know nearly all moitie prints. They do have easy names tough.

>>9462184
Excuse you, I'm a pear and I look awful in high-waisted cuts. Especially the short ones that hit above the knees. Anything that shows off my thighs but not my waist makes me look super fat.
>damnit, AP

>>9457945
The boneing might have shaped to the former owners shape which is a possible reason for the discomfort. You could try having it replaced and maybe have the waist area re-enforced to ease your worries.

>>9462184
I'm petite and cute unlike you. uwu Stay jelly fatties. Lose weight or stop complaining about cuts that don't fit you.

>>9461337
>>9461371
>>9461409

Guys!! I found out it's balcony seats and we're next to the bar. ALL IS WELL CAUSE I ALREADY SHOWED HIM THE COORD I COULDN'T JUST CHANGE IT

>>9461445
>>9461838
>>9462356
I do know what I am wearing and also the names of my dream dresses. Not knowing what you are wearing at a moment would be just plain stupid.
>>9462367
That's why I asked in first place. I don't know if it's just my friends, but if asked them what their favorite musician is, they would me tell all of their songs.

>>9462489
Thanks for advice. Going to lose some spinal cords now.

>>9461415
I have Chrome set to autotranslate pages in Japanse. IDK man

Devils Cherry is out now by Kawaii Holic

Idk if this has been posted or not previously. I havent been lurking cgl but I thought you guys would be interested

https://kawaiiholic.shop-pro.jp/

The headband is sold out now but I was really surprised they released it. Everytime AP shows something quirky/cute in teasers they never ever release it.

I was invited to a 1925-style themed party.
Very excited about the idea of having any reason to wear Lolita.
Do you have any suggestions of what to wear?
Vaguely considered wearing Fizzy pop jsk in red by AP, but that may be rather rockabilly (1950)

>>9462647
I don't think lolita clothing is suitable for this style.
I mean, all this lolita poof is a polar opposite of these rectangular dresses without any waist at all. I think you should settle for accesories only.

>>9462667
Searching for patterns I got this one, it resembles a lot the Lolita silohuette, but it might be inaccurate

>>9462696
This could work. Just get the skirt to sit ridiculously low on your hips.

>>9462365
Just tried. It was already sent to the warehouse because my local post office is notoriously shitty.
Now its a needle in a haystack and Im going to have to wait for it to be sent back, and I have no idea how long that will take.

>>9462586
Sorry anon, spinal cords are just fine. I don't hate people for their bone structure.

>>9460779
He's in a band and he designed for AP

>>9461714
I tend to treat it as one off because it's not mentioned in any of their previous feedback. When would you call it out as a consistent pattern? I don't buy enough from the same sellers to be able to tell this.

>>9462696
Reminds me of this VM JSK: https://www.mbok.jp/item/item_486013257.html?_SRC=li_i0

>>9462647
Ive seen a few 20s inspired lolita looks. There is one nice one Im thinking of but I havent found it yet. Heres one from CoF

>not really sure how accurate it is. I dont know 20s fashion because I'm not really a huge fan of that decade myself

I don't have time time make a previously in Lolita General right now, and it's a pain to do it on my cellphone because I didn't follow this thread so Idk what happened.
I do have a question tough. Are there any good and complete Spanish guides to lolita? Or should I be the change I want to see and make one?

I don't have time to make a Previously in Lolita General right now, and it's a pain to do it on my cellphone because I didn't follow this thread so Idk what happened.
I do have a question tough. Are there any good and complete Spanish guides to lolita? Or should I be the change I want to see and make one?

So are they still working on Lolibrary and will eventually let people log in again?

>>9463941
Yes

>>9463941
No

>>9459361
You need to go back to lolita school, dim light is much older than castle mirage

So i've never worn lolita but have always been kind of curious. The problem is I don't know if i can really pull it off and if i can't pull it off, i'll never wear it in public, and that means a waste of money.

I heard of Bodyline recently though and while the Lolita wiki says it's kinda sketchy and cheap I figured it was a good enough place to start since they're cheap.

Anything I should know in advanced before I place an order though? Any sketch regarding purchases not being delivered or anything? Is it rue21 cheap? (i.e. will literally fall apart the first time you wear it) or will I get at least a few wears out of it before it breaks?


It doesn't need to be "average lolita" quality but not so cheap it breaks instantly or looks like babby's first sewing project (cause i might as well make my own shit in that case lol)

>>9460424
tfw i wont let my goth pride change out of my meta platforms
tfw i fell on my ass like three times last time i went out because the ground is uneven cobble where i live

im an embarrassment

>>9466930
>goth pride
>Not realizing goths wear more shoes than just platforms
>fake goth detected