/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9424121
Yeah, especially in lolita and fairy kei. Honestly if these "bois" want to pass as male and be treated as such, they should maybe consider avoiding hyperfeminine fashion. The whole "clothing has no gender" argument doesn't hold any credibility in the real world where people are going to look at a bio female in a pink frilly dress and automatically think "girl".

It seems too that the moment you misgender them all hell breaks loose. They don't even politely correct you, the rant on and on and on.

this is what happens when a generation of nerdy girls gets raised on yaoi. they want to be ukes, pretty much. and tumblr always whines about how straight girls who like slash are the devil, so now you can be kin with a yuri on ice character, and if your d cups are hanging out, you can't be criticized if you're a mlm soft trans boy uwu. i'd rather deal with annoying, tone deaf ita weebs than these thin skinned whiners, because at least weebs have a sense of humor about things. also, these girls look like spreepicky vomited on them.

>>9424121
Fakebois are a plague not only in the J-fash community but in all communities. I hate transtrenders and "trans activists" that have this retarded rhetoric because they're honestly so cringe worthy and if you so much as criticize them or point out flaws in their snowflake identity, you're "transphobic". Also, this >>9424154
They want to be gay men so bad to play out their yaoi anime fetish and quite frankly it makes lesbians and gays and real transgender people uncomfortable as fuck. Real LGBT people have fought for years for our rights and for these people to come in and make it into sort of a joke and to call US transphobic and bad people because we don't believe in their snowflake gender is retarded.

>>9424162
I forgot to mention that the same can be said of transtrender "women" who think that all there is to being a woman is slapping on some shitty winged eyeliner and saying you're a woman. Looking at you, Riley Dennis

What is mlm ??

>>9424164
lol Riley

Sort of off-topic but it must just be a "girl" thing to match clothes. Guys see women their entire life but when they decide to transition, they wear nasty grandma/hippy long skirts with boots, leather jackets, big stupid necklaces etc. Common in young weeb "trans" is bow hair accessories that no biological girl wears. I know there's a huge amount of women who can't match colors or materials but transwomen are on a whole nuther level.

>2017
>Still caring this much what gender someone decides they are
>I have no field but I must sage

It's a real boy everyone!
Prince??? You mean Princess,hunny

>>9424121
I wish I could somehow convey these points without people getting triggered;
1) People can be very accepting of the unusual, uncommon and new: your chosen gender is yours to choose and if someone doesn't like you it's probably not because of any of your identity labels.
2) People use social ques when interacting with others to determine how to utilize their vocabularies properly. If you are covered in pink and are presenting as "feminine" then any mis-gendering going on is most likely due to what you are communicating visually: no one is trying to weaponize pronouns.
3) Anytime you step outside of the box of your surrounding cultural norms, you are going to encounter some form of friction. This is unavoidable and is not tied to your specific labels; sorry, it's not about you in particular.

I feel so conflicted, because I want people to feel empowered, but with that empowerment you still have to learn how to deal. I feel like that's what separates the "boys" from the "bois" - that realization that being able to express yourself is a god-given right but also that you then can't tone police how others react to you.

>>9424121
I mean, I'm glad they're happy. It creates an awkward situation because I genuinely believe that someone can be a trans male and still like feminine things just as a cis male can like feminine things without being a woman (and I know more people who've forced themselves to be something they're not and deliberately repressed parts of their personality to seem like a normal cis man than people who go ~clothing has no gender! uwu!~ and act shocked that anyone would misgender them in fairy kei), but, yeah, I'm convinced that some of the people doing this on tumblr are deluded and not actually trans. (Even harder when the reason you believe it's possible to be trans and like feminine things is because you believe being trans is about experiencing body dysphoria, which is of course invisible to others, but saying actual body dysphoria is a criteria will have people on tumblr calling you truscum because apparently anyone can be trans as long as they just believe???) You can't diagnose people through a screen, so calling every transman a fakeboi is a dick move. Mostly I just try to avoid and ignore these type of people unless it's already someone I know well.

I actually think we reached peak fakeboi a year or so ago, seems like with the backlash it's dying off a little.

>>9424176
Holy fuck, that growth is revolting

How come this fakeboi isn't in this thread yet? I mean cmon they are a poor "Artesian" that is too good for "brand" (bodyline)

>>9424214
I've already seen people who sold off their Lolita to become "fairy kei bois" now sell off their pastels to go back to sweet Lolita.

Trans is really tied to body dysphoria and luckily there are procedures and a more accepting society willing to embrace the whole situation more... But I think we're starting to get extreme; I see girls trying to tell cis men that if they like pink then that's a sign they're actually trans. We really need to somehow "de-snowflake" being trans; so everyone can calm down and stop mis-labeling themselves, others and making mistakes that could affect their futures.

>>9424219
Umm... To good for... Bodyline? WTF? How is that possible? I buy a lot of bodyline for daily / out and about Lolita... It's good, sturdy stuff but, I mean, it ISN'T on the "tier" of brand.

>>9424198
I feel that "fakebois" are a self-solving problem. They're gonna go outside, realise that it is strange and socially awkward to try to force a masculine social role when you're wearing pastels and kiddie jewellery, and either transition and find themselves being increasingly treated like weirdos for dressing "cute" or backpedal and get comfy as women.

Or else they're going to be pastel tomboys in real life and LARP as "boys" on tumblr, which is dumb but who really gives a fuck.

>>9424173
There's a difference between seeing how women dress and knowing how to dress yourself. Lots of the tacky shit trans women wear is stuff tacky cis girl nerds wear, like the bows. Combined with a bit of wearing weird stuff because it hides the body (grandma skirts)

>>9424223
Their tumblr was a center of good cringe a while ago

>>9424219
Here have some of same fakeboi "not" ddlg caps.

Gotta love self diagnosed autists.

>>9424173
Do you actually know any transwomen in real life or just bitch about them on instagram?

Don't let the vocal minority of retarded children cloud your perception.

>>9424121
I've never seen them. I live in Amsterdam.

>>9424250
You sound triggered. I am friends with three. Good friends with one.

I've seen many more horrible looking ones than appropriately dressed ones. And no the excuse that "some pass so well you don't even notice them". Nah, we can tell.

>>9424267
I wonder how your "friends" would feel about you using them as currency in an internet argument. My issue with your post is it's blatant ignorance and stereotyping, which I shouldn't be suprised about but based on my own experiences with trans people of all ages (not just trendy teens) they tend to be like, you know, most people on this planet and have their own individual sense of style

>>9424274
I work at a place popular with young trans women and the leather jacket/long skirt/combat boots look is quite popular. As is the taobao girly-girl look.

There's a rather obvious reason to those (camouflaging unusual proportions or lack of curves) & they're styles people grow out of. Yeah trans people have their own fashion senses but like any other group of people you get common looks.

>>9424274
>asks If >>9424173 knows any trans people

>bitches when same anon says they know som and calls it currency

I like your logic anon. It's flawless. Now go.go back to Tumblr from where you came.

There are only two genders and that is male or female. Do you have a dick? Then you're a boi. Do you have stank pussy? Grill. Everything else is a mental disease. People (and usually kids in puberty) have the need to feel special and make up all kinds of shit to stand out. I say, lock them up on a deserted island and only let them return if their attention whoring phase is over.

>>9424283
Man I would feel bad if someone was that very very rare percentage of born with both reproductive organs and genitalia if you view genders like that.

>>9424288
Insta ticket to deserted island or India.

>>9424294
Go back to /r9k/ no one likes you here.

The problem with transgendered people as opposed to transsexual people is that, isn't saying you're transgendered saying you believe (gender) has to act/look in a certain way?

I can get transsexual where you don't feel comfortable in your physical body, that I get.

I don't get 'I have boobs and a vagina and masturbate to the idea of two men going at it but I sometimes wear pants so I think I know what it is to be a gay guy.'

You can hate frilly dresses and like gay porn and still be a chick. You can be a dude who likes make up and frilly dresses and still be a dude. Like what you like, shouldn't we be moving past 'only (gender) likes (thing)/ (thing) is only for (gender.)'?

>>9424296
Why should I? I'm a female, and just as interested in cosplay and lolita as you are. This is my home. If you can't even handle others opinions, you should probably get off the internet and take part in those disgusting pro-trans movements to make yourself somewhat useful in life.

Xoxo

>>9424300
>admits to being from r9k
>argues like your typical tumblrina
>"Okay. I'll feed the troll." and replies some nonsense no one cares about outside of Tumblr
>signs with Xoxo like a cringe lord.

Please don't stop being beautiful anon. Really you're making my work day less boring.

>>9424288
Would you say it's fair to describe humans as having two arms, five fingers on each hand and a proportionally large brain? Well fuck you then shitlord because some people are born with no arms or eleven fingers or no brain and we should let these deformations define our society otherwise feelings may be hurt.

>>9424288
Anecdote: there was a kid in my street who never left the house. We always tried getting them to come out and play but their parents said no dice.

Turns out they were a hermaphrodite. And one day they did decide to come out to play.

But the kids they ran into wasn't one of the kids in the main group. Oh, no. That poor soul goes out and the person they finally opened up to just happened to be the neighbourhood sociopath, an 11 year old chick who I swear must have grown up into a serial killer. Just... Strange, in a bad, bad way. Making animals disappear strange. Trying to start dogfights in a rich neighbourhood way.

I never saw that person, but I and everyone else found out they were a hermaphrodite because that girl was laughing about it for months.

We were all of 12 years old and didn't know what a hermaphrodite was, but I'll never forget that girl's laugh, "We should call it Hermy!" I can remember her explaining what a hermaphrodite was but we were so used to ignoring her it didn't sink.

It was only years later and at the other side of the country that I realised what the "joke" was. Last I heard, the family had a restraining order on the little sociopath.

Sometimes I wish the poor kid hadn't gone outside, others I wish me and my friends hadn't been so insistent, asking for them to come out- we made the poor kid think it was safe, that there was a group of kids wanting to be friends.

>>9424231
Please don't compare trannies to LARPers, I know we're low but even LARPers don't want to be assosciated with these people.

>>9424304
Seriously? Alright, I'll play your game.

>>admits to being from r9k
Did I?

>>argues like your typical tumblrina
What does this even mean?

>>"Okay. I'll feed the troll." and replies some nonsense no one cares about outside of Tumblr
But you do actually care, or else you wouldn't have responded to my post.

>>signs with Xoxo like a cringe lord.
Bitch, I do what I want. xoxoxo

Your post is literally so contentless, I don't know what to say. I keep forgetting there are brainless people everywhere, no matter if it's in real life or an American imageboard. This shit leaves me baffled everytime lmao

>>9424309
Did you graduate Highschool with that stupidity? Because I want to know how the hell you managed to get to that analogy when it's not the same thing. Try harder .

>>9424315
Lots of love from the Malaysian airlines plane hide-and-seek competition imageboard!

xoxoxo
Yas queen slay

>>9424311
When I was a kid there were all kinds of rumours that "so and so is a hemaphrodite" about anyone who was unpopular. Seems kind of more likely that the neighbourhood sociopath was telling lies than that shut-in kid was intersex with two sets of junk.

I knew this thread was going to go to shit. Now for the Janis to wake up and clean this train wreck before it takes out any more pedestrians walking on the tracks.

>>9424321
When you've got people who don't like to hear what others have to say like fucking babies, this thread is the outcome.

>>9424319
Very well could be. It was just so mysterious- we rarely saw the kid, just enough to know there was a kid in that house. They never answered the door, always the parents. They were super kind, but the kid could never come out.

Honestly, I'd rather they were just shy and awkward. If they really were a hermaphrodite and the one person they came into contact with did that... Yikes. Not enough therapy in the world.

>>9424319
This! I remember this shit when I was a kid because there was a fat girl that had a heavy face that looked like fat bastard from Austin powers. School bully said she had a dick. Poor girl ended up soo alone because of the dumb rumor.

Not saying that they don't exist, but they are really not that common as you think they are. I think I read somewhere that it's actully linked to someone's that's a chimera and they just assimilated their twin that way. Dunno if that's right though.

If society wasn't so hung up on the hard lines between guy things and girl things would we still have people so torn up about their gender that they need complicated surgeries to feel better in their own skin?

>>9424274
Lol I knew when I said Im friends with transwomen you'd backpedal and something like that. Fuck off

>>9424336
Ignore them anon. They are just trolling to get you to respond. It's pretty obvious at this point.

Isn't >>9424219 the fakeboi that has that translolita network that wants no cis scum or some shit?

>>9424154
I literally know somebody who is fictionkin as a male character and is an a uwu yaoi relationship with husbando, they also wanted to get into lolita, so I just bombarded them with the most expensive shit I could find to put them off.

>>9424170
mlem

>"fakebois"
fakebois suffer from internalized misogyny. they don't want to be female, but they also don't want to be adults with responsibilities and self-sacrifice. pretending to be a gay boy lets them play with male privilege without giving up girlish comforts.

>"hermaphrodites"
human true hermaphrodites are not real. however, intersex conditions are about as common as red-hairedness. most intersex people identify as a single gender, which may or may not be the one they were assigned at birth. just like non-intersex people. so, if someone is born physically "in between" male and female, but can live successfully as either gender depending on which they identify as... it kind of blows apart the idea of gender essentialism.

i want to know how many people with externally-manifesting intersex conditions (which tend to always result in cosmetic surgery, even if it sterilizes the child or puts them at risk for urinary incontinence/sexual dysfunction) experience dysphoria without prior knowledge of their genital modification surgeries. many spend a long time unaware of their condition, so--would that indicate an absence of dysphoria? what implication would that have on their assigned gender, which typically has more to do with how their genitals looked at birth rather than their chromosomes/gametes, if they did not feel out of place growing up? what would it imply if they DID experience dysphoria? what if the dysphoria was unrelated to their original anatomy?

>>9424350
Shit I was in love with yaoi in my Highschool years and never turned into one of these dorks. I knew the boundaries of what was fiction and what was real. I'll admit I had some weeby loves of characters and shipped them with other male cheracters I loved. But never did I "switch genders" to be more like this stupid ideal of a fictional gay male that sometimes wasn't even gay. I just liked watching and reading them fuck like the creeper I was.

there where way many fakebois before, i still wonder what happend to gutterface and aki.

anyway is it triue that fairytaleprince aka leo amadeus made phalloplasty adn that's why his leg was bandaged and he had to be in a wheelchair?

>>9424370
why don't you ask directly?

why do you want to know?

>local con having mini maid cafe for two days
>immediately sign up with some friends
>see they have butlers as well, super excited to be cute with friends and have cute butlers around
>get to cafe/lounge early to get ready
>pour myself a cup of tea while I wait when
>THUD....THUD....THUD....
>tea ripples as something sinister approaches
>get a whiff of female axe body spray and manic panic hair dye
>hear the rattling of cheap chain wallets and a Zelda ringtone somewhere
>the squeaks of converse echo in the hallway

>enter: The Fakebois
>every single butler is Tumblr level fakeboi with some weird hair and facial piercings
>enough BMI ago get me through the harsh winters to come
>meet some of the strongest vest buttons that day god rest their souls
>one of them waddles over to me and bows
>holds her greasy hand out
>'How do you do, madame?'
>godplzhavemercy

Where do you all live? I've literally never seen a fakeboi in my life

>>9424374
This is an anonymous online board, I'm just speculating on rumors. I doubt that he'd answer if I were to ask him since he doesn't know me at all, I'm just some random stranger on the internet that like gossip and drama. I.e. I wanna know because I'm a very curious and nosy person.

>>9424374
#triggered and for no reason at all.

>tfw love to look androgynous but that's because lesbian
I don't want to accidentally tread into fakeboi territory though. Is there like a line between wanting to look like pic related (Acrush, awwyeah) and being a fakeboi?

>>9424420
yes as long as you don't claim to be a boy or demand people using male pronouns it's all fine

>>9424422
Ok, that's a relief. I'm one of those 'Hey call me whatever' types since I get a mixed bag of Miss and Sir depending on where I am.

I just wasn't sure if looks factored in like oh, you're trying too hard to look masculine and you tag your pics androgyny, you're a fakeboi.

>gender is a mess but afab
>wear pastel shit
>dont get pissy when misgendered

am i in the minority?

>>9424121
>>9424130
>>9424138
>>9424154
>>9424162
LOL it's just girls with short hair, are you cereals?

>>9424434
I feel you anon. 100% relate.

>>9424267
>>9424274
>>9424274
>don't worry guys I know a black guy so I can't be racist :^)
I love these types of arguments haha.

>>9424434
the real secret is that EVERYBODY's gender is a mess unless you're a cookie cutter masculine man or feminine woman stereotype with no deviation and variety in personality, interests, hobbies, or style from the most basic gender role stereotypes.

This is all just a product of young people somehow internalizing the idea that personality + aesthetic = gender, and if you aren't 100% feminine or 100% masculine you must be off the binary. Gender as an "identity" that you and an indescribably feeling, deeply tied to your sense of self, is a new concept.

My philosophy is if you don't have severe body dysphoria that can only be alleviated by medical transition, you're not trans. You're just an individual. A nuanced human.

>>9424451
I understand your point and I think you're right in a way, but I just can't agree.

Idk what experience other ppl have with their gender messes, but as for me, that's not the way it works. I think you're referring to the idea of "whatever-gender" that tumblrinos are brandishing now (which are cringey af) but that's not the entirety of non-binary identities.

>>9424451
I follow a lot of fanartists because I enjoy their work but the amount of "they/him/her" pronouns on their profiles and the like is astounding.

Then when they talk about why they do so, it'll be shit like "Boobs sure are annoying" or "I hate being catcalled"
Not to mention, pretty much all of these 18+ adult women present themselves super feminine but are all apparently in massive distress about their gender for no apparent reason.

>>9424451
>>9424456
Instead of binary I try to think of it as a graph with local maxima and local minima with the average of your traits defining your place. It's perfectly fine if a man or woman doesn't feel they can relate to their peers but academics wont go make a new gender just to satisfy them.

>>9424469
That's exactly what I was referring to in >>9424456. I've seen shit like "forestgender" and "stargender" and things like so and I couldn't agree less with those kind of nonsense. The word "gender" refers to something that's generic, that's widely spread and it's used as an identification tag, not as an complete accurate description of your special snowflake persona. That's why (IMO) you can define yourself as male and not being a stereotypical male, and define yourself as female and not being a stereotypical female, as long as you fit into that description. Or fitting better into a "non-binary" tag that serves as an umbrella term. But *name*gender stuff is utter nonsense. (And don't even let me get started on kintypes.)

As a lolita who doesn't buy into the trans dogma due to concerns about women's liberation and homophobia, it can be lonely. Most lolitas seem to be crazy liberals who support the whole alphabet soup kweer community when I believe in truncated everything after the "B". But whatever. Liberals and sjws and gendershits will still continue to flock to it. I hate it but there's not much I can do without being witch hunted and told to go jump off a cliff.

>>9424299
Exactly my problem with those transtrenders. I support actual trans people and I support peoples' right to wear whatever they like, but I hate how "I dislike being girly and I often wear pants" turned into "I must be a boi". Don't these people always yell about how clothes have no gender?

>>9424451
All of this, so much.

It's been pretty ingrained for a while now that "popular things girls like" are shitty things to be made fun of, and being a woman often sucks... so labeling yourself as genderqueer because you like pants is an easy way to escape from that box while simultaneously showing off your unique snowflakeness. Two decades ago, being a lesbian was the cool, unique thing to do, and now it's being fluid or a fakeboi. Except news flash: most women aren't 100% hyperfeminine, and by claiming you aren't one if you like anything boyish, you're just reinforcing shitty stereotypes.

>>9424360
>fakebois suffer from internalized misogyny
so true, and it breaks my heart. Most of them yell about what they think is feminism and "down with cis" and all that shit, and yet they don't realize how big of a victim of the patriarchy they actually are (and I'm not talking about "uwu my classmates made fund of because I'm a rainbow sparkles boi"

>>9424376
>enough BMI ago get me through the harsh winters
i kekd

>>9424451
The real secret is that gender is a social construct.
But not in the way that gendershits say it is.
What I mean is that gender is the idea that you should look and act a certain way based on your sex.
And I believe sex is immutable. Woman/female and man/male are biological realities, not "identities", humans with no y chrmosome and with a y chrmosome, respectively. Nothing can change that.
Gender says women should wear skirts and be passive and men should wear pants and be assertive.
The solution is not to make more genders or claim that your taste in fashion, personality, or interests makes you the opposite sex, it is to get rid of the idea that certain activities, behaviors, and ways of dressing should correspond to sex.
If a little girl wants to wear jeans and play with trucks, conservatives will tell her to wear a dress as play with dolls because she's a girl, and liberals will tell her that's she's actually a boy because she doesn't want to wear dresses and play with dolls
Both of these "solutions" are backwards and counterproductive, the girl should be allowed to live her life as she is.
There is no requirement to be a woman or man other than being an adult human female or adult human male, respectively, regardless of how that individual dresses or acts

>>9424299
Anon you get me
so many snowflakes say clothes dont have gender roles and gender isnt real uwuwuwu but like what was said upthread when some random cis boy puts on makeup theyre "omg transgirl/nonbinary goals"
theyre constantly reinforcing the gender roles theyre trying to break

>>9424466
yup, it seems to go like "being a woman sucks sometimes and I don't like that -> I must not be a woman!". Not to mention people don't realize that gender =/= gender roles.

>>9424162
Amen.
Transguy here, don't want to get all conspiracy, but I swear fakebois are the reason I don't pass to some people. Got all these women running around dressed like pre-school boys. I leave the house looking completely male and normie and get people all confused, because I get lumped in with the rest of these gender-jumping retards. They're toxic to everyone.

>>9424532
I'm really sorry for you, anon-kun. If those transtrenders didn't hurt anyone, they would just be slightly annoying and hilarious to watch, but with their behavior they diminish actual trans peoples' chance of being taken seriously.

>>9424174
Y'see this is why transtrenders are fucking awful.
You dont decide or choose your gender, fuckwit.
It's innate to your brain mapping.

>>9424299
Very much this.
I'm a guy, I love cutesy things. I collect pastel vomit plushies, I love window shopping frilly jfash, I do "feminine" things like elaborate skincare, I'm not afraid to wear pink (which used the be considered a masculine color anyway until like the 1930's), and I totally gush out at cute things. All this considered, I'm a guy and never think of myself as a girl.

I just am who I am. When I was a teen I wished I was a girl just because it would be easier to express those sides of myself without getting bullied, but as I grew into an adult unrealized it really doesn't fucking matter. I can do what I want and it doesn't change the fact that I have a fucking Y chromosome and still have my share of "guy" interests as well. I don't define myself by stupid shit like this. I'm not looking for a special snowflake term to label me.

What happened to when teens used to dislike being labeled? When we all realized that we're all unique individuals and as such can't be boxed into catch-all terms like this? Now everyone wants a special spot in the dictionary just for them. Of course I expect time to change and for us to progress, but this feels like such a huge step backwards.

>>9424198
>1) People can be very accepting of the unusual, uncommon and new: your chosen gender is yours to choose and if someone doesn't like you it's probably not because of any of your identity labels.

Just. Stop.
Gender isnt a choice, holy mother fucking shit.
People who have dysphoria just can't choose what gender they are. Your "progressive" mentality is the most damaging thing to real trans people.
If its a choice then HRT and SRS are totally unnecessary and therefore will be seen as cosmetic and not covered by insurance.
Then actual trans people cant get the hell they need and are more likely to commit suicide.
Take your fakeboi self elsewhere.
Sage for rage.

what the fuck is uwu?
I thought it was a kawaii Uguu kaomoji like ^w^ or o_O but you guys (WHOOPS, MISGENDERED YOU. SORRY!)are throwing it around like it's a term.

>>9424527
I've also noticed that a huge amount that fits in that category has some sort of history with being abused one way or another

I can't help but wonder if there's a connection

>>9424552
>What happened to when teens used to dislike being labeled?
fucking THIS.
All those labels they try to press themselves, like that the "INFP pan greysexual demigirl" bullshit.
By pressing themselves into those pigeonholes they restrict themselves so much, it's sad. How about just being human and doing what you feel like atm? If you want to wear pants and kiss a girl today and a skirt and kiss a boy tomorrow, just do it! Why put a label on it?

>>9424558
it's a popular emoticon on tumblr, just like "^w^".

>>9424543
False, brain sex has been disproven multiple times. There is no such thing as a "male" or "female" brain just as there is no such thing as a "black" or "white" brain.
https://m.mic.com/articles/129459/are-men-and-women-really-wired-differently-science-says-no?utm_campaign=social&utm_medium=main&utm_source=policymicTBLR#.tKxlcXcNX
http://www.theplaidzebra.com/science-finally-supports-that-we-are-all-born-as-blank-slates-and-gender-is-merely-a-construct/
https://sexnotgender.com/brain-sex-does-not-exist/

>>9424569
No, it hasn't. Quite the opposite.
Here have an infographic that includes actually good sources.
And not mic.com.

http://myragewillendworlds.tumblr.com/post/158981691389/sources-first-known-use-of-transgender

>>9424576
Congrats, your links are bullshit. Once again, you can't have male brain or female brain. We are born blank slates and raised by society to act certain ways based on our sex. The trans ideology is built off of sexist and backwards stereotypes, being an loud and confident woman or a quiet and shy man doesn't mean that you're the opposite sex.

>>9424576
Here's a Tumblr link to disprove your pseudo-science
http://gnc-centric.tumblr.com/post/146566955135/websinz420-inmyarea-anyone-knows-about

>>9424569
>>9424576
The problem is that a lot of this discussion boils down to "nature vs nurture" and that's a paradigm question, fully depending on what you believe in. Natural scientists insist that it's all in the brain/hormones/body, while social scientists claim it's all about socialization. I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

>>9424173
Dudes can barely dress and groom themselves as it is. It makes sense that if you were raised male then when you decided to transition you'd still be shitty at it The long denim skirts and long one length hair bug me the most though, it makes them look like they're in a cult.

>>9424634
It's because it is a cult. The science denial, the lies, the demands of ideological purity, the constantly moving goalposts, the Orwellian mantras, the reversals, all consistent with cult behavior

ftm anon here (not the same one as posted earlier)
I think a lot of these kids don't understand that there's a difference between having dysphoria and not belonging in your own skin vs being unhappy with the way society treats you because of your gender. I've known too many people who wanted to ditch their gender with that as their ONLY basis. A lot of the fakebois in jfash don't want to be "like the other girls" or don't like the pressures that society starts putting on them as they grow up. Not sure why they decide that not being female is the answer, instead of just acknowledging that societal pressures are stupid and not your obligation.
And like >>9424553 said, people who say it's a choice are why I had to pay for surgery out of pocket, because insurance companies consider it a "cosmetic" procedure. A few years ago, my doctor had to code my HRT as a "hormone disorder" so my insurance would cover even part of it.
There's a really simple litmus test I use for any genderspecial person I'm introduced to. I tell them this, which is true: if I could CHOOSE to be cis, of course I would. That would be so convenient. I've never met a trans person who seemed legit that didn't agree with me.
/blogpost

>>9424154
lol
>remember being 15
>only watch yaoi
>dreaming of having a cock
>being so sad of not getting an uke or not having cock
> only yaoi makes biological sense

then grew up and got a real man
not all that is in the past cringe-dimension

These girls need to grow the fuck up

>>9424659
See all of these "gay trans boys" are just straight women with autoandrophilia or who read too much fanfiction, and are full of internalized misogyny so they delude themselves into thinking they're a gay man and then demand actual gay men sleep with them or else they're committing an act of violence.
I'm so glad I left the transcult behind years ago. They're now preaching blatant homophobia like how it's now bad to be a woman who isn't interested in dick.
Transgenderism harms women and children and is full of backwards misogynistic ideas and homophobia. I wish more people would wake up and see that

>>9424490
You're not the only one! The genderists are beyond misogynistic and I'm sick of them in lolita. Being a woman is a reality, not a choice. Someone please explain to me what it "feels like to be a girl" because I've never "felt" like a girl in my life, I've only ever felt mistreated for it. You ask them to define what it means to be a woman and they can't because they genuinely don't understand it and never will

>>9424154
Real talk, I'm a gender fluid person who has kept my identity from comm members and the general public in fear of being confused/grouped in with these fake bois. I literally have such bad anxiety about it because of these transtrenders make people who actually deal with gender dysphoria and visibility look like shit. I wish Tumblr would fucking die.

>>9424673
>genderfluid
>claims not to be a transtrender

kek

>>9424661
In all seriousness the amount of gender confused women/girls I've seen that also happen to be obsessed with yaoi is rather high

>>9424673
It's because you are a gendershit, retard. The concept of gender fluidity is backwards. You aren't fluid because you like wearing pants sometimes and a skirt sometimes, you're a woman who owns a lot of clothes and has diverse taste in fashion. The very concept of transgenderism reinforces the belief that pants = boy and dress = girl

>>9424677
As >>9424652 said, there's a difference between wether you have gender dysphoria/feeling uncomfortable in your own skin and being unhappy with social expectations placed on you. Sorry anon, but if I've been diagnosed by doctors with GID, I would say it's pretty legit. Let's stay on topic. This fake boi bullshit is cancerous.

>>9424687
Yes and? You can have GID and that just proofs you're a retard for claiming you're genderfluid. It means you're messed up.

>>9424687
*with having GID. Shitty wording, mb.

>>9424707
Disorder = retarded. Lol ok.

>>9424585
I think you might be trolling, but you're thinking of gender roles.

There are a lot of studies about 'gender' and the brain:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803
http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(07)00181-8/abstract?cc=y=

not in terms of personality, or one being "more caring" or whatever, but in terms of "body map", and the awareness of one's body, also called proprioception:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception#Conscious_and_unconscious_proprioception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortical_homunculus

i.e. if your brain's body map and your body don't match, you get dysphoria.

>>9424737
Op who posted the link to the infographic. Apprently all that brain mapping is pseudoscience, so i just realized theres no convincing people who drank feminist theory kool aid.

I think I'm not so...on board to this is because you've got 20something year olds only being "boys" and not "young men." Any of my friends who are transitioning do so appropriate for their age. My 25 year old friend started off young woman and now transitioned to a 25 year old young man, not "boi" or looking like an Uke. It seems almost insulting (and a bit... Creepy /borderline pedophilic) that the go to is to look like a little boy, simply because in many of their minds boys have the least amount of responsibility and are the most appealing socially, hence the dismissive excuse of "boys will be boys" (a man has too many expectations socially, as does a girl, as does a woman).

But whatever they want I suppose.

>>9424490
Economically and politically I'm pretty liberal, but when it comes to gendershit I'm practically a terf by my comm's standards. We don't have many transfolk or even fakebois but plenty of cis women who regularly get offended on their behalf. One of them asked for my pronouns before I had a chance to tell her my name. I'm hardly androgynous-looking. Some meetup conversations turn into pissing contests about who's most 'accepting'/least misgendering shitlord even when there aren't any trans people around to impress. One time a girl got pissy at a random guy for "assuming the gender" of his own young daughter (who was practicalling pissing her pink tutu in excitement over our pretty princess dresses) because "xe might be agender and not know it yet". I shit you not.

I do feel like there are others in my comm who are sick of this shit but nobody feels comfortable openly going against the SJW grain because some of these girls have shown that they'll harass and cyberbully anyone they perceive as transphobic or racist. They hold grudges for years and go out of their way to make someones life miserable, up to contacting family and employers. It's easier to just roll your eyes behind their back than say something that can be perceived as intolerant and have them harass you from that point on. I'm not surprised private meet ups have become common here. Funnily enough, the most 'elitist' private meet group are also the most self righteous SJWs. They're starting to filter themselves out and good riddance.

>>9424749
sounds like you are surrounded by teens

I think its a mixture of things. kids growing up were coddled and had good lives so when the internet accessibility came along, you have that to be coupled with the praise/sympathy kids give eachother in middle school trying to cope with life stuff and the depression that comes with seeing everyones life on the internet be better than yours. Theres studies done on how it depresses people by them watching a feed of constant happiness (fb insta vloggers) and its not good for the posters either.
>this in middle school
>my parents suck and im poor all my friends have it better than me
>oh no ur so cool ur parents are meanies were not better than you noo
Enter 3rd wave feminism and tumblr.
Its all this rolled into one big monster.
You cant be the slightest bit mean or even confident because your confidence hurts others so your only recourse for feeling better like all kids do (waa parents suck mentioned above) on the internet (more friends) is whine about being oppressed. The more oppressed you are the rarer and more fragile you are and thus you become the best snowflake.untouchable to others. Special. Worth something. And in a world where you cant be self confident or happy without bowing to the nearest oppressed person and saying "sorry my lifes better than yours" they have no real healthy way of communicating or maturing. They are stuck in this cycle of trying to get sympathy likes and attention from people but they cant do it by being self confident they are forced to self deprocate in order to be worth anything. The dynamic is like an abusive relationship and they never were allowed to move past the middle and high school conversations with friends because bettering yourself is wrong now. Taking responsibility is wrong now. Its all the patriarchy. And if you tell a fakeboi they arent special or fragile they have to fess up to the mature reality that is they arent special and they put their self worth in nothing real for years. Their life is essentially a lie

>>9424679
to like yaoi you have to be twisted in the first place

>>9424753
18-26, unfortunately.

>>9424679
I also questioned this, because many I've met don't care for Yuri either. I'm pretty tired of the "ew girls are weird" disrespect.
Or maybe they want the fictional characters so bad and are upset because those fictional characters are gay and guys like that won't like them, so in turn they are attempting to turn themselves into what they read.

>>9424443
>cereals
2007 was 10 years ago anon, you're welcome to stop being a LOL so randumb ecks dee faggot anytime.

>>9424755

Lbr this is the leftist side of the same coin that spawned reality denying trumpettes who vote against their own self interests and feel oh so oppressed by not using the n-word anymore. Nobody cares about facts or taking a deep breath and coming to consensus, it's about how victimized you can feel and how your feelings override facts and reality. It's a sickness across our whole culture, it just depends on what brand of crazyface cereal you're buying.

>>9424761
They'll care about yuri only when it's twisted as "so gay so cute uwu"

But yeah I remember reading something like Yaoi essentially being a weird version of self insertion, which is why pairs are always played out the exact same way (one dominant, one submissive)
Personally I would classify as a shitty fujo if it wasn't that I don't care about BL. I just wanna talk about hot anime guys desu, just not them fucking other dudes.

>>9424758
>be me
>successful woman in midtwenties
>2 university degrees
>happy long term relationship
>mentally healthy
>large friend circle
>fairly well known and respected in my hobby
>fujoshi and still reading gay fanfiction
>shame.jpg

It's the one thing I am most embarrassed about. I'd sooner tell people my fetishes than admitting to enjoy seeing anime boys fuck.

>>9424765
It's typically aesthetically pleasing or their idea of a gay couple as well. Not every relationship is dom/sub, big surprise when some of these people meet IRL homosexual couples.

>>9424316
How is it any different? "Humans are bipedal" is a biological fact, just as much of a fact as "Humans are sexually dimorphic."

The fact that some people are born without a limb or lose one later in life doesn't change the fact that humans are a bipedal species.

So the fact that some people have deformities of their genitals doesn't erase the fact that humans are sexually dimorphic.

>>9424515
>Woman/female and man/male are biological realities, not "identities", humans with no y chrmosome and with a y chrmosome, respectively. Nothing can change that.
being born with an intersex condition is about as common as being born with red hair. see >>9424360

the existence of intersex and the variety of outcomes they experience makes me doubt gender essentialism. rather than appeal to gender as "natural" or "innate," which both pro- and anti-trans* people do, i figure let people do what they want as long as no one else is harmed.

>>9424746
>Accuse people of drinking the koolaid when you believe in gender nonsense that states there's a such thing as "feeling like a woman"
Ok anon

>>9424552
>What happened to when teens used to dislike being labeled? When we all realized that we're all unique individuals and as such can't be boxed into catch-all terms like this? Now everyone wants a special spot in the dictionary just for them. Of course I expect time to change and for us to progress,
Foucault predicted the exponential rise of terms to catalog sexualities when he examined the roots of using categories to designate individuals as subjects. it is part of a larger Western compulsion to divide things into categories so they can be useful/controlled more.

>>9424515
I wish gender wasn't a thing, and people could just be people. And that biological sex would only be used in the medical field and when trying to make a baby. Also maybe sports. Otherwise people shold just be treated the same, and everyone can do whatever they want.

I feel sad about this topic because usually it's girls who feel ugly as a 'girl' so they slap the 'boy' label on so nobody can say, 'You look like a boy.'

>>9424787
People with chromosomal abnomalities are rare exceptions. Intersex is unrelated to trans. Stop using intersex people as pawns in your twisted agenda. They do not change the fact that female = no SRY gene (or at least, one that hasn't activated) (located on the y chromosome over 99% of the time) and male = activated SRY gene.
XX males can exist but they still have the SRY gene, it just ended up on the X chromosome, and XY females (Swyer syndrome) can exist, but their SRY gene is mutated and didn't activate because the way sex determination works is female is the deafult unless the SRY gene is activated.
The existence of outliers and anomalies doesn't change fact, just like people with Down syndrome or Turner syndrome or any other syndrome related to atypical karyotypes don't change the fact that humans have 46 chromosomes.
So stop with your science denial

>>9424679
yaoi is made for women in a culture that disrespects women. it enacts female fantasies without the stigma of female sexuality.

of COURSE it will appeal to females dealing with misogyny around the world.

read or watch your next yaoi with the "headcanon" that all the ukes are just women. the stories make more sense that way.

I can understand how transgender etc. works but I'll never be able to get behind shit like genderfluid. Doesn't the idea behind genderfluid undermine the whole point of others being transgender?

>>9424535
To be fair trans people aren't and haven't been taken seriously anyway. Try applying for a job or going to a job interview as a non passing trans woman.

>>9424823
Transgenderism undermines itself. It states that gender is both a social construct and an innate feeling. It can't be both. Girls aren't born with lipstick in one hand and a high heel in the other, the idea girls should like these things and that men shouldn't is socially constructed

>>9424764
this.

we only complain about intolerant virtue-signalling leftists on this board because we can freely complain about intolerant virtue-signalling rightists in public.

>>9424824
That has nothing to do with trans and everything to do with the fact that gender nonconforming males aren't accepted due to homophobia, since gender nonconformity is associated with homosexuality. The solution isn't to say that men putting on dresses makes them women, it's to accept men in dresses