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I don't care how over used this headdress is, I love how simple it looks and how it doesn't take away too much from an outfit. It also sits nicely on he head.

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>>9283691
I really like this one. Everyone here said it was tacky.

>> No.9283707

>>9283704
that wig looks like garbage

>> No.9283713

>>9283704
The headdress is very hard to wear because it only goes with certain hair styles.

>>9283707
It's because baby uses the same wig for years on end.

>> No.9283734

>>9283713
>>9283707

poor wig, put it to rest, it's done it's duty

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9283748

I'm okay with fat people in lolita.

>> No.9283753

Natural hair only looks good if it's long and perfectly cared for and the person who has it is pretty to begin with. Lolita needs balance, and if you have short of gross hair then just get a naturally colored wig. It's not like most people can tell the difference anyway...

>> No.9283757

>>9283753
I feel like most people can tell difference. Even with nicer more natural wigs. But I agree with you. I almost wonder if there are large groups of people posting here in hopes of getting girls to transition towards natural hair so they'll have something to laugh at/bitch about.

>> No.9283759

>>9283757
>almost was meant to be always
I'm typing way too fast these days.

>> No.9283778

>>9283748
I don't have an issue with fat people as long as the clothes is made for someone of their size. Nothing good comes from someone who looks like a sausage stuffed into its casing.

>> No.9283787

>>9283748
I agree with this. So long as the person has a good coord and knows how to dress their figure, I have no problem with them in lolita.

>>9283753
I agree to an extent. Imo old school looks better with natural hair. But ofc your hair has to be maintained to look good in anything.
And not having bangs will never look good in Lolita.

>> No.9283791
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9283791

I would never do it myself, but I like blouseless lolita.

>> No.9283814

>>9283791
What are thooooooooose!

Really those shoes look bad with that dress.

>> No.9283827

>>9283814
They're tea parties.

Someone posted last thread about not liking them, but they're like, the generic lolita shoe. Which is maybe why they are losing popularity? That's a really old photo however.

>> No.9283838

>>9283791
tea party flats are those worst.
needs to have a heel or else

>> No.9283840

>>9283838
why is this place so obsessed with heels?
Like when I first started really browsing /cgl/ about two years ago now... I noticed people just talking about how only weaklings don't walk around in heels all the time. Plus I met a girl in a friend finder thread who only ever wears heels. And she's a fucking conlita.

I thought people were being facetious until I talked to that girl and she showed me her shoe collection...

>> No.9283843

>>9283840
with all the straps and bows they look imbalanced and goofy as flats.
look at the pair in >>9283791, they look like soggy house slippers.
the heel, whether an inch or 3 inch, un-clunkifies (so to speak) the design of the upper.
nothing against flats, just tea party flats

>> No.9283845

>>9283748
I have a lot of respect for plus sized lolitas, it's not like they can just buy anything and coord it. I feel like the good ones put way more effort in than thin lolitas

>> No.9283846

>>9283843
How does it un-clunkify it if the heel is in the back and you can't see it head on?
Also I thought clunky was like, bigger shoes with platforms or heels.

>> No.9283850

>>9283838
words to fucking live by

>> No.9283852
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9283852

I love gothic without fringes.

>> No.9283857
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9283857

I really like Melanie Martinez

>> No.9283864

>>9283748
I'm fine with plus size lolitas so long as they fit into their brand. I'd much rather they custom order things if they're too big.

>> No.9283871

>>9283846
it's all about the angle dude.
it's visually less of a chunky clusterfuck and more dainty when there is a heel. google img src tea parties and you'll see for yourself.

>>9283857
>unpopular indeed.
I guess if you'd like to spend your time fighting disgusting misconceptions about your fashion, then stay a fan. I personally wish she'd fuck right off.

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>>9283871
No, but seriously.

Clunky usually refers to a shoe have more volume to it. I think you're using the word wrong? Chunky as well.

Sure it is more dainty with a heel. Granted it's not a wedge heel.

I'm not a huge fan of tea party shoes and I'm not trying to defend them, I'm just letting you know you are not making a ton of sense.

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>>9283852
same. with well-styled but alternative hair styles, too.

i feel like the classic lolita aesthetic has taken over sweet and gothic to the point where anything unusual or unnatural is unthinkable. i miss when the more unusual substyles were allowed to take risks and be creative with their hair.

>> No.9283893

>>9283846
It lifts the foot making the legs look better under the skirt. It also helps maintain a more elegant posture which this fashion is about. Ballet flats look bad with Lolita and these are just ballet flats with bows and straps.

>> No.9283900

>>9283893
What are some better flats to wear for walking around?
That girl pictured was at a street market. Would you guys really go to a street market in heels?

>> No.9283902

>>9283873
okay, you actually made me smile with that img

I guess what I mean is it looks busy in a bad way when all those features (straps, bows, buckles) are on the same level. elevation is key. sorry for the confusion.

>> No.9283907

>>9283900
platforms, brand engineer boots...
pretty much all cute, well-made boots

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>>9283900
Or a shoe with a low enough heel. I have these ones and they are so small of a heel that you really don't notice it.

>> No.9283973

>>9283691
>>9283704
I own both of these because I'm a basic bitch. But I like them.

>> No.9284045

i like off-shoulder styles in lolita sometimes

>> No.9284056
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9284056

I have bangs but I absolutely love seeing lolita's without bangs

>>9283753
Most people can tell the difference

>> No.9284111

>>9283748
That's a shitty coord though. That disgusting kebab skewer headdress with tumblrina flower crown and plasticy untrimmed wig that desperately needs a brush. Ew.

>> No.9284113

>>9283691
I hate that this is trendy now. Most of the plebs that wear it don't even like Antique Beast or own any thing other than this headdress. And they wear it with AP.

>> No.9284115

>>9283874
>i feel like the classic lolita aesthetic has taken over sweet and gothic

Flouncy AP OPs aren't gothic. Sweet is very much still the reigning substyle in terms of popularity.

>i miss when the more unusual substyles were allowed to take risks

There's only three substyles and all of them are more experimental than ever.

>> No.9284132

>>9284111
>>9284113
These sound like typical cgl things and this is the unpopular opinion thread.

>> No.9284148

What's important is that I feel pretty.

>> No.9284149

>>9283857
die

>> No.9284150

>>9284148
This is the truth.

>> No.9284173

>>9284113
I want it to wear with rosy nights masquerade, but I don't like anything else from antique beast except maybe the crown they have. You just sound like the insufferable cunt that is too posh for the community tea party.

>> No.9284178

>>9283748
I have no issue with fat people in lolita as long as it fits correctly.

That goes with all clothing though.

>Unpopular opinion

Skinny girls wearing lolita/clothing that is too big on them looks worse imo than fat girls in clothing that fits them

>> No.9284189

>>9284178
To clarify on this, I don't mean purposeful oversized items, I mean the person has bought the size closest to themselves but it's still too big

>> No.9284192

>>9284178
>tfw skinny-chan who's too afraid to get burando taken in

is it very damaging at all? everything is huge on me and I feel like it takes away from my coords

>> No.9284193
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I like the dangling star clips, if they fit the theme of the coord

>> No.9284195

I really love light yellow in Lolita. It contrasts so nicely with blue, lavender, pink, and mint. It's so rare to find these days though.

>> No.9284204

>>9284192
I've had bodices taken in at the seams professionally and the tailor said that they're reversible as long as you don't alter the skirt's gathering.

>> No.9284207

>>9284192
Another skinny-chan here. If you get it done professionally or have the sewing skills to do a nice job it makes a world of difference. Makes things harder to sell though so consider that if you sell things often.
Stick to jsks because shoulders can be a bitch to take in.

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/cgl/ and /r9k/ should get together and have lots and lots of beautiful babies

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>>9284209

>> No.9284222

>>9284111
that's an ott flower crown. tumblr flower crowns are the little shitty ones on a rubber band you get at Claire's

>> No.9284237

>>9283907
>looks hot af where she is
>wear boots
ok

>> No.9284252

Veils are goddamn tacky. I want it to end.

>> No.9284264

I really enjoy Kate's coords

>> No.9284337

I hate nearly everything Metamorphose releases.

>> No.9284340

>>9283857
This is not even an unpopular opinion outside of cgl. I have ~40 lolitas on my Facebook feed and I've seen four of them post about her and her concerts. Not random ita newbies either.

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>>9283787
>not having bangs will never look good in lolita
someone's new

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I love unnatural hair colours with lolita (assuming it's not a fake looking wig)

>>9284222
you're wrong

>> No.9284370

>>9284348
Kinda nice seeing that her make-up is just as average up-close as mine.

>> No.9284374

>>9284193
I wear star and other dangling clips a lot. I just love them!

>> No.9284410

>>9284370
I thought the same thing, but then I was reminded that she's just that fucking pretty and I'm back to being jealous again

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>>9284340
It's an unpopular opinion here. I didn't get a chance to make this thread but I made the other one.

I don't see much point in having a typical cgl opinion thread.

>>9284264
They're fine, yeah.

>>9284178
>Skinny girls wearing lolita/clothing that is too big on them looks worse imo than fat girls in clothing that fits them
Yeah, some models fucking bother me with this shit. Kimura U is a repeat offender.

>> No.9284501

>>9283827
I love tea parties because they're cute and comfortable and easy to walk in

fuck the police

>> No.9284528

>>9283748
Not an unpopular opinion, just one that so happens to conflict with the loudest autistic anachans on cgl.

>> No.9284531

>>9284423
>Yeah, some models fucking bother me with this shit.
Fucking Bodyline, man. Years of specifying models must weigh only 45kg, despite the fact all their dresses are huge. I weigh 58kg these days and the two "M"-sized Bodyline dresses I still have are way too big.

>> No.9284534

>>9284528
see >>9284423
There isn't much of a point to having a thread dedicated to the typical opinions we usually see in other threads. General consensus on cgl is that fatties are hated. Therefor, it is an unpopular opinion here.

>> No.9284753

>>9283748
Most people do, just the ones that don't like to scream on /cgl/
>>9284178
Same, it looks worse, especially because a lot of the times these girls think they're so small that it doesn't actually matter, they can pull off whatever.

>> No.9284777

>>9284534
>Most people do, just the ones that don't like to scream on /cgl/
I swear. You guys just don't even read the threads.

>> No.9284885

>>9284777
No, I disagree. Personally, I was speaking more to the community on the whole. I think fattie haters come to 4ch to bitch about fatties so it's more concentrated on /cgl/. But I naively think that about most things on /cgl/, so I could be off.

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>>9284885
Way to miss the point.
What is the point, pray tell, of having a thread dedicated to shit you'd see in ANY cgl thread? This is the UNPOPULAR opinion thread. IE, the opinions here should be ones that you wouldn't normally see on the board.

I just love spoonfeeding.

>> No.9284894

>>9284888
unpopular opinion: I legitimately do love spoonfeeding.

>> No.9284929

>>9284894
Same but mostly because I enjoy collecting resources. It also stops derailment faster

>> No.9284934

>>9284929
>>9284894
I wasn't being entirely sarcastic. If I can spoonfeed, I will.

>> No.9285570

/cgl/ needs more OC.

>> No.9285664

I don't care if people think lolita is cosplay. I've only wear my dresses to meets and Halloween, and I haven't been bothered to wear it anytime else. If I can get some more skirts then I might wear lolita out casually more, but otherwise my JSKs are right now an exclusively special occasion thing.

>> No.9285668

>>9285664
Also the last meetup I was in people were also bitching about how lolita was a fashion, not a costume. Except we were at a fucking Halloween event where the vast majority of people there were kids and parents dressed up in costumes.

>> No.9285692

>>9285570
yes

we're never going to have another Derpy-chan again because too many people believe the board is for salt and feels, not OC

>> No.9285711

>>9285692
>too many people believe the board is for salt and feels, not OC
QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH.

>> No.9285718

i don't think the CoF thread should be allowed. it is a private group. coords are regularly posted to other social media, publicly, so why not do image dumps and give opinions about those?

the thread only exists because gulls are too weak to comment directly, and too lazy to aggregate coord posts from public platforms. in so doing, armchair seagulls have a narrow view of current EGL fashion trends because all of the focus is on this one, English-speaking Facebook group.

>> No.9285803

>>9285718
We tried to have tumblr threads awhile back but it just got reported into oblivion if I remember correctly. For some reason CoF isn't seen as targeting but posting randoms from tumblr is? But probably because in order to post stuff from tumblr, you have to track a tag, then go to someone's blog from there. So in a way, it's like you're looking up someone's blog and taking their photos to post elsewhere and laugh.

Honestly, we should just stop all the lolcow behavior in general. We need a new sticky badly and me and some other people applied to be janis but none were let in from what I have read. Sad. Mods like it this way I guess.

>> No.9285857

>>9285803
We need Janitors that are up at all points in the day so we don't get AMAs that don't belong on this board. One of the new janitors I'm feeling is a little ban happy and or a very bitter person. They keep removing content that is actually material for the board.

>> No.9285953

>>9285857
I haven't noticed anything getting suddenly purged.. but we do need someone who is up the same time as Australia/Japan. Other boards have straya posting, and its usually people up at that time of day, shitposting because here in America, it's lights out for most mods/janis and they know they can get away with it.

>> No.9285959

>>9285718
>the thread only exists because gulls are too weak to comment directly
This is BS, gulls often DO comment on the coords in the group.

You realize YOU can start threads here, right anon? You can go grab some snaps from your public platform of choice, link to it, and start something.

>> No.9285960

>>9285857
>>9285953
NEVERMIND. I just found what you're talking about. Ugh. Maybe AMA bitch is a jani. How gross.

>> No.9285962

>>9285959
Did you just skim the comment about how we tried to have tumblr threads?

I rest my fucking case. we need a new sticky.

>> No.9285967

>>9285959
>You realize YOU can start threads here, right anon? You can go grab some snaps from your public platform of choice, link to it, and start something.
yo i actually did and it's been going pretty good, if slow due to the narrow focus (and due to not providing FB pussies a way to give comments they are too scared to make with their FB identities attached, which--before the Amino threads--was what most lolita community threads here were about).

it's like y'all don't check the catalog or something

>> No.9285969

>>9285962
No, I saw the comment, and I didn't reply to it. I don't think that person is talking about tumblr. There are sites other than tumblr.

>> No.9285971

>>9283757

Nah, just a backlash. There was a few months where the ita thread had solid amounts of idiots who prioritised getting a hugely fluffy pastel-coloured wig and no petticoat. Granted, most of them were plus-sized (the type likely to say "I don't need a petti, I have hips"), but the idiocy of prioritising a wig as something necessary instead of a petti led to a lot of anons going around advocating natural hair over wigs.

>> No.9285972

>>9285967
It's like you assume I am psychic and know what threads are yours.

Again, many lolitas here do in fact make comments on FB. Hell, screencaps pop up a lot and commenters will get into meta discussions here. Do you not pay attention to the threads?

>> No.9285974

>>9285971
Oh yeah, I remember that shit.

>>9285969
And I'm saying, that we tried to do threads like you're talking about they got fucking deleted. It wasn't JUST tumblr.

>> No.9285976

>>9285974
Are we thinking about the same tumblr and IG threads? The ones I'm remembering usually become a /soc/ shitshow where people just circlejerk sharing their own accounts or get into PULL-style drama shitfests. Those specific threads are cancer and don't belong here.

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9285981

Cosplay/lolita girls make the best gfs

>> No.9285982

>>9285976
No, they were meant to be like ita threads and kind of like what the amino threads are now. I think the only reason we still get to have the amino threads is because the amino mods are here.

>> No.9285990

>>9285972
it's cool to be proud of your integrity, anon, but a lot of gulls have said repeatedly that /cgl/ is to say all the things you can't say in public. those are the weaklings i mean.

>>9285974
>we tried to do threads like you're talking about they got fucking deleted. It wasn't JUST tumblr.
i had a Halloween instagram coord thread for multiple jfash styles. it did not get deleted, it just fizzled out due to disinterest. i pull from a lot of platforms when doing image dumps, to try to keep the reposts of the same Google Image Approved results from dominating inspo threads, and to share/discuss current shit. have never had an issue with deletion when doing that.

maybe the janitors are different now

>>9285982
or this

>> No.9286000

>>9285990
>maybe the janitors are different now
I don't know. There is still spastic deletion going on.

You replied to me twice. I've already covered what I was talking about, and it's not that I don't believe you. It's just that I've been here for awhile on this board, and not much has changed and all the same stuff gets deleted.
If your thread fizzled out, was it due to disinterest in that people here don't like those kinds of threads and just want to shit on people? I notice that positive stuff can stay on the board, but won't get a lot of comments and will eventually autosage.

Or were people saging and not saying anything? Could be that too. You have no way of knowing.

We have image dump threads too, for all of j-fashion and those do fine, and sometimes people try to derail and sometimes they succeed and sometimes they don't and sometimes it's just a bunch images from other platforms, and if that's the case, what is the point of having it here? You can see those same photos elsewhere.

That's why I can not believe the amount of people that NEED to have a CoF thread here. It is here only for the purpose of laughing at girls who are generally interested in the fashion. Literally anyone can have a fb account and see those pictures. Is it supposed to serve the purpose of letting chinese lolitas know what the west looks like? Give me a fucking break.

>> No.9286007

>>9285976
Agreed, the tumblr/IG threads are cancer now. 9/10 times it's just trolling or someone shit-stirring instead of actual content. No one self-posts anymore and it's a shame. But I don't blame them.

>> No.9286014

>>9285990
Well you can't be honest on CoF or else it's not CC. The mods of CoF have only allowed asspat comments for CC. I know of many people that come to the CoF threads to leave their actual CC to the posts and people that post themselves to get honest opinions and crit. I do it and most of the people I'm friends with do it. It's not all about not being able to say something mean. It's because you have harsh CC that an ass licker of a mod won't allow.

>> No.9286033

>>9286000
>If your thread fizzled out, was it due to disinterest in that people here don't like those kinds of threads and just want to shit on people?
this is my belief as to why most jfash threads not about "salt and feels" often fail to catch on or else linger for weeks with slow involvement.

even the reaction image threads seem to be mostly reposts of images people barely use as reactions and are mostly conveying negative or bitchy emotion.

this is veering off the topic of gulls using /cgl/ as a Facebook speakeasy where only shady things go down but imo it all ties together into a ratty knot.

>sometimes it's just a bunch images from other platforms, and if that's the case, what is the point of having it here?
i imagine people who do not take the time to cultivate an image dump appreciate the efforts of those who do.

>That's why I can not believe the amount of people that NEED to have a CoF thread here. It is here only for the purpose of laughing at girls who are generally interested in the fashion.
and it being here, with such intense focus given to it, makes armchair seagulls without a FB account think of CoF as the biggest, most important coord sharing platform.

worse still, it contributes to the idea that /cgl/ exists to be a bitch which stifles WAYWT threads or any kind of creativity or selfposting.

>>9286014
>I do it and most of the people I'm friends with do it.
wouldn't it be great if you could get together and make a new group instead of being duplicitous, though? or what if you used a tag when posting to tumblr or instagram, like #critme, to signal you are open to honest feedback that doesn't have to be sandwiched between stale flattery?

>> No.9286039

>>9284195
me too anon, my whole wardrobe is yellow pink and sax

>> No.9286043

Lolita humor is inferior to cosplay humor. I don't know why, but when we do story threads--weeaboo horror, crafting injuries, whatever--the funnier ones are usually about cosplay. I can't imagine a drawfag making a lolita story into a comic the way they have for cosplay stories.

>> No.9286054

i don't really mind people matching their shoes or other parts of their coord to their hair as long as it's cohesive

it's not a must but when it's done well it can balance a striking hair color (as in dark brown with a pink coord) very nicely

>> No.9286075

>>9286033
Yeah but if someone started a waywt thread, would you join in?

The other part of the problem is that no one wants to step up to the plate.

>> No.9286079

>>9286075
yeah, i usually do.

i hereby give people permission to post more than once in a single WAYWT thread, because not wanting to get called out for multiple selfposts prevented me from contributing. i imagine others were also worried

>> No.9286099

>>9284370
All I see is an end of the day candid unedited shot with shit lighting. And yet, she still looks fine.

>> No.9286103

>>9283838
Tea parties are flats? (Well, they have the 1/2" heel or whatever, but that's not the point)

"Tea parties" refers to one specific type of shoe, which is the flats with cross straps and bows that AP makes. Idk what people think it means, all sweet shoes?

>> No.9286124

>>9286033
If you tagged it people have to look up that tag. Get real anon. People are lazy and don't want to tag hunt. CoF is just a huge database of it that is hell of a lot easier to do then tag hunting on Tumblr. Then you can't expect someone to say their opinion with their identity showing and not feel like that person will hate them for being brutally honest. That is why anon here is perfect. They can have their brutally honest opinion without being seen as the dumb cunt that didn't like my gold shoes.

>> No.9286294

>>9286124
What? I track tags all the time??

>> No.9286355

>>9284252
Small, dainty veils attatched to something like a headband or canotier are fine. It's the huge, long ones that are more like bridal veils that look awful, especially if they're longer than the dress or skirt.

>> No.9286534

>>9286294
maybe you but not every one tracks tags or even uses tumblr. coming here is hell of a lot easier them making a blog, finding the tags, going to the blog asking for crit, taking the time to provide the crit. here all you got to do is hit the post button and its done. no account needs to be made and you're completely anon.

>> No.9286577

>>9283757
I would like to respectfully disagree with wigs never looking real. Been wearing wigs for years and just recently I told coworkers and even a few cosplayers I wear wigs and they couldn't believe it. It depends on how you take care of it and look and customize it to fit your head and face. If girls go for good lengths and find wigs with color depth I think it will be a good look. Im just not here for odd colored hair in lolita though.

>> No.9287192

>>9284209
ew, is that an incel? Quick, somebody bring a chad to scare them off!!

>> No.9287195

>>9286534
Most social media platforms have a tagging system. Sure people may or may not use them but it looks like anon was referring for people just join that system in order to get proper crit?

The thing about here is that anon does not equal honesty. Like you said. It's too easy for ANYONE to post. You just type something in, there it is, for everyone asshole who might be passing through to see. Could be anything. You've seen the shit that gets posted here right? It's not all based in truth just because the person doesn't have to do anything other than type something in a box and hit a button.

>> No.9287273

I think receiving positive comments on your CoF posts and not responding to them, or even liking them, is rude af and super ungrateful. It makes it appear as though you just posted to get asspats.

Similarly, I think that asking for no concrit shouldn't be allowed in CoF. If you're going to expose yourself to the public eye, you should at least do your best to grow, and if I'm being forced to look at your coord, I should at least be able to give you advice to look better.

>> No.9287348

>>9287273
ooor the person can just be posting to share their coords and be part of the community.
it's really time-consuming to respond to every comment, especially if you're like me and don't care for facebook.
Dressing up like we do isn't the same as workshop or crit for an art class: feedback shouldn't be expected, and I likewise shouldn't be expected to respond. If someone wants to speak directly to me they can message me I guess, which I'd definitely respond to.
I log in maybe 3-4 times a month, dole out likes and crit for concurrent coords, post, and then log out. It's a way of being involved and seeing other lolitas, since it's a major social platform for us.
I treat it just like Daily_Lolita.

I have to say I'm confused by your initial statement.
If a person is getting positive comments, but is not replying to them, how do you conclude their motivation is getting asspats?
it would make more sense if they responded feverishly to any and all positive feedback, but ignored all concrit or "negative" feedback.

What do you mean by positive feedback?
A lot of shit I see is stuff like "0_0 wow you're so pretty, I love that print, slayslayslaaaaaay," etc. would you really need to respond to all of that? I don't expect people to respond to my compliments I leave them. Facebook comments aren't that serious.

>> No.9287361

>>9286043
I find /cgl/ humour in general to be lacking. It all just seems really 'safe' as compared to some other boards.

>> No.9287363

I think it's cringy when people wear anything more elaborate than simple gothic or classic lolita to fancy places (except if the place was reserved for a lolita event).

>> No.9287409
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>>9287361
I find jokes go over quite poorly here, mostly because people don't get the reference or just don't have a sense of humor and need to be the bitchiest bitch possible in every reply?

>> No.9287417

>>9287409
It's also due in part to many people on cgl being Aspies.

>> No.9287427

>>9287409
This so much.

>> No.9287439

>>9287417
There are people all over the spectrum on all of 4chan. But they still manage to fun post with ease.

>> No.9287442

>>9287273
interesting. i feel like i'm being annoying or redundant when i respond to every comment on my post after a while, but i still do it every time because people deserve responses.

is it the default on CoF that no concrit is allowed unless asked for? or is it the other way around?

>> No.9287454

>>9287409
this

seagulls take these hobbies too seriously sometimes. humorless bitching is as repulsive to me as "attention whoring" is to most other seagulls. lighten up pls gulls

>> No.9287468

>>9287454
I have legit been posted on one of these boards in the past and was in tears with what was being said.

Tears of laughter. I couldn't be mad, it was too funny.

But my humor generally consists of taking the mick out of myself so...

>> No.9287471

>>9287468
>But my humor generally consists of taking the mick out of myself so...
i enjoy self-deprecation humor and also love humorous critiques in general. i prefer a CinemaSins video to a long-winded AV Club critique even if both say the same things, you know?

or put a cgl-related way, i enjoy Deerstalker's and Lor's Shit Lolitas Say series more than a /cgl/ Pet Peeves thread, even when they all target the same behaviors.

>> No.9287484

>>9283778
I'm a fat chick and i have said this very thing to so many people and I'm always met with a chorus of "Who are you to decide what looks good?" I even tried to explain it this way "If you wear a size 9 shoe you're not going to try to wear a size 6 shoe right? That's stupid, doesn't make sense, will probably look bad and be uncomfortable which will show as well. So why not get the same style in a size 9 and be comfortable, not look like your clothes are too tight and be able to be confident in something that fits?

Still got attacked. Seriously this body acceptance thing was okay at first but then the retards joined in.

I don't even care if a fat chick wants to wear a crop top and shit, But if you're trying to emulate a baggy-style one, you have to get one in your size or larger to reflect that or you'll look like a ham wrapped in twine.

I tried clarifying it in every way possible. Wear the style you want, wear what skinny girls wear, just wear it IN YOUR SIZE.

Nope. I was a fat shamer, clearly. Fucking idiots.

Meanwhile I'm fat and I haven't had a single negative comment on my weight since I was in high school because I learned how to dress myself and what styles flatter my figure. Even a skinny bitch will look stupid in an outfit that doesn't suit her bodytype or plain doesn't fit.

>> No.9287485

>>9283814
>>9283827
Actually I think it's just the color imo. I'm a newb with lolita personally but looking at it objectively, the shoes just don't match in color. There isn't enough yellow in the rest of the outfit for it to balance. If sh had a yellow accessory and hairpiece it'd be fine but instead she has MORE PINK and a beige on the bag and a barely visible yellow on her hairpiece with MORE PINK. The shoes should've been pink with a little bit of yellow in such a case.

>> No.9287486

>>9283857
I only hate her because she keeps dealing with Lime Crime and that makes a lot of her fans think LC is a good brand you can trust when it's really not. Plus she should fix her ugly teeth.

>> No.9287488

My opinion...I think people spend too much time in this community (Whether it's on reddit, tumblr, 4chan or elsewhere) worrying about what other people are wearing and enjoying when it should be about having fun first. Unless the person is modeling it professionally, no one should be under the kind of scrutiny sometimes done by this community.

>> No.9287495

>>9287471
Completely agree. Though I think part of it is something short and sweet is better than a drawn out critique.

>> No.9287501

>>9287484
This!

I work in retail; so many women are fixated on the number on the label.

Heads up, they're all different. A size 10 in one store is a 16 in another. Heck, a size 6 in one dress can be an 8 in the SAME dress but different batch.

Today, I'm wearing a size 6 skirt, a size 12 top, large tights and an XXL jumper. All from different shops.

And don't even get me started on bras.

Maybe the USA is different from UK, but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna be the case.

>> No.9287508

>>9287195
Any one with a back bone can spot the obvious bitter anon when they see one. If you soo badly want to ask for crit on Tumblr via the tag system then go right ahead. You won't get much feed back because you know full well no one is going to use that shit. You just have to face it that having CoF threads is the only way you can get honest crit in a timely fashion.

>> No.9287511

>>9287484
Lolita fashion doesn't make shoes in bigger styles. The same goes for dresses which is only plus sized because it's stretchy not because it was cut for a waist over 30 inches.

If you're small and fat it might be easier but if you're tall and fat then because your entire body is more bulky it will look impossible.

>> No.9287534

>>9287511
You say that, but I know a girl who's tall and big (probably a UK size 16-18) who finds lolita that fits her correctly.

Then again, I do not wear lolita so she might be wearing a non brand or something. Plus it depends on where the weight sits (like, if it's on your hips you're more likely to be able to wear lolita if you're bigger)

>> No.9287563

>>9287501
Sizing in Australia is pretty universal across stores in my experience. I wear a size 8 in every dress and t-shirt I have ever bought.

>> No.9287565

>>9287511
If the max measurements are bigger then your own it will fit without looking like a stuffed sausage. It's fat lolitas who put on a dress that they reach the max and or maybe a inch or two bigger then the max that is the problem. If I'm buying something and I'm not at least three cm smaller then it's measurements, I won't get it because it will be stretched to the max.

>> No.9287580

>>9287563
You lucky sod.

>> No.9287621

>>9287563
Are you just buying from generic chain stores? As soon as you get remotely *designer* the sizes start changing based on the target audience - Gorman, for example, seems to run huge in a lot of the items and I swim in a 6 at times yet am always a 6-8 in somewhere generic like Dotti, Glassons or Forever New.

>> No.9287654

>>9287348
Sorry, I could have worded the first segment a bit better. What I meant by posting for asspats is that people post, seeking positivity and compliments, but then don't take the time to thank the people who left them, or even acknowledge them at all.

Also, I don't think you have to respond to each individual comment, but liking the comments, or even just leaving a general "thanks so much, everyone!" comment is enough to show that you appreciate it.

>> No.9287788

My unpopular opinion:
I don't understand how someone who's been in this fashion for very long time, let's say 5, 6 years doesn't seem to improve their coords in time. For me it only shows they have no style whatsoever in normal fashion either. And I'm not talking about improving by getting brand, just a general taste

>> No.9287814

>>9287508
It's not always honest. Especially so during certain times of year.

And it's not always someone being bitter. Sometimes it's a newfag or a cosplayer who doesn't know jackshit but knows how to emulate other negative comments in a convincing way.

I know cause I used to be one of those people.

>> No.9287836

I think meet-ups are really odd. Why would you travel and pay money to hang out with a bunch of strangers wearing similar clothes? I especially can't relate to people who only wear lolita when they go to a meet-up. I just imagine most of them are weebs and use it as a way to meet other weebs.

>> No.9287837

>>9287442
Concrit is always allowed on cof unless they stated otherwise on their post

>> No.9287859
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Royal Princess Alice is overpriced wannabe AP. It looks like Taobao I'd buy for about $100 because I missed out on the new AP release.

>> No.9288029

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I have a raging hate boner for sweetbitsy. She's really one of the worst dressers I have ever seen, and her constant posts about how cute she is are annoying as hell. I don't follow her anymore for this reason.

>> No.9288173

>>9287814
Then you're and idiot for taking a troll statement to heart. Hate filled statements are not something someone actually trying to help will make. If you're so daft to believe a salty remark then you are too new in the fashion to understand when you're getting good crit versus a troll. I have posted myself on the CoF threads looking for true crit. I have gotten the salty crit but that salt is usually called out on by other anons. It's not hard to know when someone's just a bitter cunt to be a bitter cunt.

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9288174

I really like the late 00s version of casual sweet lolita, which is basically cutsews/T-shirts and hoodies worn with a shorter puffy skirt. I love the AP parkas and I love it worn with OTT sweet-era AP skirts. I much prefer this casual approach to the "cardigan and non-print tights" version of casual that ends up veering more otome. I think it's the best way to incorporate prints and bright colours and still look like a casual sweet style.

>tfw a style is so dead you can't find worn pics on Google images
>tfw you will never be the one to bring this style back because you don't wear sweet

>> No.9288175

>>9288174
*casual street style damnit

>> No.9288223

I just don't give a fuck about which exact substyle coords belong to. Some coords fit in more than one, or don't fit clearly in any, and it doesn't make them bad coords as long as they still look cohesive.

>> No.9288225

Lolita can look appropriate for formal occasions, even somber ones.

>> No.9288227

>>9288174
I love sweet, and I'd love to bring that style back.

>> No.9288263

>>9288227
Do it anon, I will whole-heartedly support you. I only rarely see coords like this nowadays. There's so many cutsews for sale from brands and on auctions yet nobody in the West seems to wear them (or maybe they don't think cutsew coords are worth a CoF post, IDK).

>> No.9288324

Am I the only one with this opinion?

>Heavy winged eyeliner on top lid looks fucking awful on everyone, especially with lolita

I'm so over this trend. It needs to die. Especially when people only wear eyeliner on their top lid. Do people not realize how bad this makes them look? It makes your fucking eyes look tired and heavy. If you're only going to put eyeliner on the top or bottom, put a thin line on the fucking bottom.

>> No.9288330

>>9288324

Could you provide examples?

I normally end up using darker eyeshadow to frame the 1/3 bottom of my eye rather than eyeliner for the same reason I line the bottom of my eye with light eyeshadow - looks too harsh and closes my eye otherwise. Any crit of that? I'm just curious and I would really like to improve on my makeup routine.

>> No.9288363

>>9288324
I think I agree? I would have to have examples to know for sure. But as for my opinion, I think that the overdone Western makeup style that's popular right now is way too gaudy for loltia. Think heavy eyeliner, noticeable contour, way overdrawn lips, etc. That's likely to be a popular opinion, though. The same goes for the overdone attempt at the "anime" look as well--think stark white eyeliner sandwiched between the eye and a thick, dark, poorly drawn faux waterline. So bad. So so bad.

Though I think it has to be different for every face. I do very soft Misako-inspired makeup because we have a similar facial structure and it goes well with sweet. Too often a lot of people just do what they see is popular and don't think about how it affects their face shape. Sorry for makeup rant.

>> No.9288369

>>9288363

Isn't that everyone's opinion on cgl though? While there were a few who did like the overdrawn drag queen look there were MANY other responses that basically said the same thing as you are now.

I prefer a natural look too with minimal contouring (totally doesn't have to do with my minimal knowledge of contouring) but sometimes I just love unusual or strong eyeshadow colors popping out and complementing my outfit. I totally agree with you Misako makeup is probably the best suited for lolita. Even if her eyeliner looks like she has familial tremors or MS.

>> No.9288430

>>9284348
But anon those are bangs.
Bangs =/= straight across fringe.

>> No.9288431

>>9287859
It's Kimura U's brand, what do you expect?

>> No.9288435

>>9288430
Nope, the hair is as long as the rest but tied to the together at the backside of her head, not hard to see.

>> No.9288502

I think blouses underneath OPs with puffy sleeves look terrible. Either wear outerwear with long sleeves or wear a JSK.

>>9288324
On the other end, I think /some/ wearable J-fashion makeup (not extreme makeup like shironuri) looks terrible with lolita. A lot of times, the eye makeup is sloppily applied and not even blended out well.

>> No.9288536

>>9288173
They're not always hate filled. Sometimes it's something as simple as "but where is her legwear" that then turns into a meme.

Did I say that I believed someone? No, I was admitting that I used to come here and troll people using that tactic.

>> No.9288540

>>9288029
>look up her tumblr
>bunch of empty links everywhere
GOD I HATE THIS. I don't know what she dresses like that but that alone is a redflag.

>> No.9288550

>>9288430

>not recognizing what a side sweep is

Being an autist and stupid is tragic.

>> No.9288602

I just really can't look at old school coords and think they look good, especially those with bloomers showing under the skirt. Some sweet coords look okay, but they all usually look kinda tacky to me.

>> No.9288609

People who aren't willing to suffer even a little for lolita don't deserve it

>I love lolita but I'm too scared to wear it what if people make fun of me?
>I'm too fat to fit fucking Dollbe so I can't be lolita

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, cause without a petticoat that shit's going to hurt

>> No.9288612

>>9288609
>dollbe
Oh shit I forgot that existed...

>> No.9288622

>>9288029
Wasn't that the girl Josh Macedo sent dick pics to before he deleted and tried to kill himself?

>> No.9288731

Not so much an unpopular opinion on cgl, as you guys can be brutal, but elsewhere.

I think complimenting/praising subpar work is counter productive. Like I've made skirts and such and having people go "it's fantastic, you should make money from doing this!" when actually, the seams are wonky and puckered and it's poorly hemmed.

What does it achieve? All what will happen if I tried to sell it (even at cost value) people would have an issue with quality and lead to me getting down.

It just promotes people settling for something they could do better on. Or getting inflated egos thinking they're really brilliant and not being able to take criticism later on

(This excludes like, first done things. That's a different thing altogether)

Cgl related

I think cgl is too focussed on weight and dictating what is healthy and unhealthy. At both ends of the spectrum.

>> No.9288734

>>9288731
I'm with you on the weight thing, if someones not twig thin it's non stop 'Oink oink fatty chan' if someone is twig thin 'oh but they definately have an eating disorder' rumors start flying

>> No.9288771

>>9288734
Its also scary that so many spread the "if you have a waist line above x you're fat" thing, cause that is what is likely to cause eating disorders.

I think so many gulls focus on one set of measurements that only work for certain body shapes, race and lifestyle.

>> No.9288776

>>9288536
Then why push so hard for the Tumblr option when it's obvious that no one will use it? Hate the CoF thread all you want but it's not going any where and it is the best way to say what you want without the mods saying it's too harsh and keeps your identity secret. Face it. Tumblr for con crit won't happen so drop it.

>> No.9288837

>>9288771
I hate how quick people are to say things cause eating disorders in this community. I feel like more often than not it's fatties just trying to shut down a conversation. Especially when the talk is about completely average weights or measurements.

>> No.9289060

>>9288776
Doesn't have to be tumblr. Love how you won't stop focusing on that. I even mentioned most social media.

>> No.9289066

>>9288837
idk, I have a history of eating disorders and that's pretty much dead on what triggers a lot of girls. I know you like to have your fun making fun of "fatties" or whatever, but you should be aware of what you're doing...

>> No.9289088

>>9289060
Then enlighten us on a platform where you can post and retain a hidden identity from others retaliation that is easy to use, quick to post and isn't Facebook or tumblr. I mean this is cgl and CoF is Lolita related so it can be on this forum. I don't know why people have a problem with the thread and have a problem when people post their CoF post from there here to get true crit.

>> No.9289118

I think that solid colored tights look fine in many lolita coords.

>> No.9289122

>>9289088
Cause it's not true crit.

>> No.9289138

>>9288324
What? This is so wrong lol, I agree that heavy winged liner doesn't suit lolita, but putting eyeliner only on the bottom makes your eyes look droopy and tired. Thin eyeliner on top is much better than thin eyeliner on the bottom; as long as you don't wing it out too far, it just makes your eyes look more defined and alive.

>> No.9289151

>>9289118
I didn't even realize solid colored tights were frowned upon until reading it here. I can't fit into the fancy printed tights and I don't want to put an investment that big into something that's going to run and be ruined later, and plain tights look just fine.

Not everything has to be covered in a print ffs.

>> No.9289166

>>9289151
I think the wisdom is that you should have some kind of texture if you aren't going to have printed tights, but I love my plain tights when I'm trying to incorporate my skirts and JSKs into my work wardrobe.

I think that printed tights can spice up a plain dress, but having printed patterns on everything looks so messy to me.

>> No.9289167

>>9288174
I like this style too, but my unpopular opinion is that it's one of the only lolita styles that you have to be petite to pull off. I'm not sure if it's because you have to be short and flat for loose T-shirts to look deliberate, or if it's because I associate this so much with AP and their skirts and cutsews run much smaller than their JSKs, but I think something about the silhouette of this style of casual lolita is less flattering to plus-sized girls than typical classic, gothic or sweet coords are.

I don't know much about dressing to flatter silhouette beyond the basics, so if someone could explain why this might be (other than "hurdurr fatties look bad durr") I'd be interested to hear it.

>> No.9289168

>>9289151
People tend to like them more in darker colours, but white plain tights can look really weird. I've never seen someone shit on opaque black tights, but white consistently gets hate and colours like wine and navy don't seem too popular either.

>> No.9289184

>>9289167
Could be because AP skirts and casual skirts tend to be much shorter than normal, so they don't look right if you're tall and sit weirdly if you're very fat, but IDK.

>> No.9289211

>>9288837
But the thing is, there isn't such a thing as an average weight or measurements. A 32" waist measurement would be really big on someone who's 4'11, but on someone 6'2 would be considered under their recommend waist (generally speaking)

People are different shapes, different heights, different races and have different lifestyles. What is healthy for one is not for another, yet saying in order to be healthy or "not fat" you must be the same as the other? That does not work.

It's like comparing the measurement for a body builder vs a ballerina.

And with you saying this, I think a lot of gulls (not fatties; all anons on this) will call someone a whale or fatty or whatever to try and shut them up - or try and discredit them.

>> No.9289217

>>9289066
If you're easily triggered by anons of 4chan discussing weight/measurements, 4chan is probably one of the worst fucking places for you to be. Especially /cgl/. We're not your hugbox. Nobody gives a shit if us saying a 32 in waistline is obese "triggers" you into puking.

You may want to GTFO and go to tumblr. Sounds like a better place for you. Don't come to 4chan and expect us to change the way we've acted for over a decade to suit your sensitivities.

>> No.9289219

Related to >>9288792

I think whales are a stupid name for fatties.

Whales are graceful and majestic. And swim for hundreds of miles.

Walruses (or walrus), however, have rolls of fat, sit around a lot and clap/get excited when food is about.

As a certified fatty, I think walrus is a lot more accurate.

>> No.9289220

>>9289138
I don't think you know how to do eyeliner correctly if you think a thin line on the bottom makes you look tired. Ideally, nobody should even be able to tell you're wearing eyeliner.

>> No.9289223

>>9289217
Calm down dear, it's just an unpopular opinion thread. No need to get so triggered by it.

>> No.9289249

>>9289219
I dunno, as another chubby person, it kinda sucks being dehumanized.
people are going to tease either way, but trying to pick your nicknames is pretty cringe.

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>>9289217
wow, you really need to chill. all I did was confirm what another anon was saying. I didn't even tell you what to do it or that it bothered me personally.

talk about getting maymay triggered over stupid shit.

>> No.9289271

>>9289219
Cow is more fitting

>> No.9289279

>>9289249
Eh I was just trying to inject humour into things.

People need to lighten up a bit

>> No.9289335

>>9288263
I'll definitely do it, maybe I'll even post some coords here one day.

>> No.9289337

>>9288263
I think it might be because cutsews tend to be very unforgiving and small in the bust.

>> No.9289434

>>9288622
Yeah

>> No.9289442

I kind of like Kawaii Goods.

>> No.9289449

>>9289220
Putting eyeliner on the bottom puts emphasis on the bottom of your eyes, which will inevitably make them look droopier and more tired.

>> No.9289451

>>9289449
Wrong. Emphasizing your top lid makes them look heavy, droopy, and tired. Slightly lining you bottom lid makes your eyes look larger and brighter.

No wonder so many lolitas' makeup looks like shit.

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>>9289451
this isn't "slightly" but is the best i could find. this discussion is pointless without examples.

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>>9289480
what i find seems to suggest tightlining your lower lid is bad, but they all still line the uper lid

for the record i have no opinion on which is better and have not participated before this, i'm just trying to understand

>> No.9289487

I hate meetups. The ones I have been to are so awkward and not very fun. I have some close friends into lolita and it is way more fun when we get together as opposed to meets.

>> No.9289503

>>9289487
I went to a non-lolita but /cgl/ meetup and it was awesome. I guess stick with your friends for now anon, sorry you haven't had any good experiences so far.

>> No.9289522

>>9289484
Left side is middle school Avril Levine phase, Right side is high school when you finally learn how to apply the stuff

>> No.9289532

>>9289487
Most of us don't have any opportunity to meet lolita friends without going to meets. Sucks when you join one and the members are already close-knit, though.

>> No.9289536

>>9289484
Left actually looks better on her IMO, but it really depends on the face. a lot of south asian and middle eastern women look good with this style, but it isn't good in lolita.

>> No.9289555

>>9289484
>>9289480
None of these are what I'm talking about though. I'm literally talking about a line that's barely a line. It's a technique where unless you're looking really close and know what you're looking for, it looks like you're not wearing makeup but just look magically polished and bright.

>> No.9289557

>>9289122
What >>9289088 said was enlight us on another platform not complain about not true concrit. You have beaten that horse to a pulp. Time to say how to fix the issue and not beat it any more. But it's obvious you can't because you keep coming back with the "it's not true concrit" without saying a way to get a platform that offers it without being Facebook or tumblr. Doesn't matter if what you see isn't true concrit. I have gotten some better concrit here then I have ever gotten from CoF and rather like the brutal honesty and trolling. It's oddly amusing.

>> No.9289559

>>9289536
no it doesn't. Unless you are trying to grasp onto you scene kid days still, that technique needs to be thrown out like the raccoon stripe extensions that accompanies it. Black eyeliner on the bottom lid shouldn't be there. Neutral browns and a lighter color in toward the corner is better and blended well looks far better then lining your whole bottom with black. Keep the darker colors to the outer corner and the lighter colors on the inner corner.

>> No.9289567

>>9289555
pls share examples

>> No.9289593

I think lolitas should be lovelies, especially out in public. I'm not talking about being all rainbows and sunshine, but ffs act like a damn lady. Don't curse loudly, don't be a bitch, watch your behavior and be mindful of others. People already think we're weird as shit, can't you be polite instead of an edgelord?

>> No.9289597

>>9289593
Isn't this just manners and how people should act in public no matter how they dress?

>> No.9289598

>>9289593
I feel this so hard. I'm getting really tired of the idea that we should be able to curse like sailors or be obnoxious in public. Lolita may just be clothing, but every sub style (punk, goth, etc) all feature certain behavioural expectations, and lolita is no different. If you're not going to act like a decent lady, you might as well not bother dressing like one.

>> No.9289601

>>9289597
Nah, tumblrinas think that it's """quirky""" to wear lolita while acting like an edgy teen, I can't even tell you how many times I've been to meets where younger (often newer) girls are being obnoxious and gross. Common manners are an expectation for everybody, but there are lots of people in the community who seem to think that acting like a bunch of ruffians is acceptable.

>> No.9289674

>>9289557
Okay, I'll keep lying in the CoF threads then.

Also, if you absolutely need to be anonymous and couldn't possibly make a throwaway account and cover your face in photos.... there are other chan sites as well?
I don't get the need to be anonymous and I don't know why you guys keep trying to equate being anon with being honest. People tell lies on anon all the time.

>> No.9289677

>>9289674
>I don't get the need to be anonymous

You might be in the wrong place, friendo.

>> No.9289678

>>9289557
>have gotten some better concrit here then I have ever gotten from CoF and rather like the brutal honesty and trolling. It's oddly amusing.
Give me an example of some really good concrit you got here?

>> No.9289681

>>9289677
I'm not anon on other sites. I use a name on other boards. I don't here because people throw shit fits.

>> No.9289687

>>9289681
You clearly don't fit in here lmao. Are you Voldie? Cause I think you're Voldie.

>> No.9289689

>>9289687
sure.

>> No.9289731

>>9289674
Keep lying in the threads all you want. Like you said before, a lot of people lie. Will I take it to heart? Nah I can tell when people are intentionally trying to be an ass.

>>9289678
I actually got con crit about how an outfit would be significantly brought up if I chose a different purse and went with a larger hair accessory to balance out and other wise bottom heavy coordinate. I tried it out the next time I wore the outfit and what do you know, it brought up my CoF likes and my Instagram likes by over 80% then what I normally get.

>> No.9289756
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9289756

>>9289480
>>9289484

These really don't fit my eyeshape though. I much prefer Asian makeup, because well, it's for Asian eyes, and I'm Asian. Granted there is asian makeup where you do line the bottom lid, but for the most part, I prefer lining with some sort of shimmery eyeshadow than with actual eyeliner for 2/3, then blend into a darker eyeshadow for the last third.

>> No.9289770

>>928369
Have we seen any good coord with this?

>> No.9289772

>>9289756
I do this and I'm not Asian, I just have small eyes. It really opens the eye up when you make the outside darker and the inside lighter. I usually use like a champagne shimmer liner on the bottom lid that I blend out a bit to give that dewy look and a pearl liner on the inner corner with a bronze on the outer corner blended up into my shadow. Looks soo much better then a dark eyeliner under my lid and really makes my eyes stand out more.

>> No.9289784

>>9289484
Lining the eyes all over heavily in black makes them look smaller because of an optical illusion where dark objects appear smaller, and light objects appear bigger. The eye labeled incorrect appears smaller then the eye labeled correct. It's not really advice you have to go by unless you are trying to make your eyes look as large as possible or have small eyes by nature.

>> No.9289788

>>9289480
This is a really bad example because this woman's face is just not meant for heavy liner on the bottom lid. It does not flatter her face. It isn't unusual to see heavy bottom liner in j-fash. It is done to give a doe-eyed, sleepy effect. It can look really good and unique when done correctly with the right face.

Most white girls are going to find subtle cat eye makeup more flattering then heavily lined bottom lids.

>> No.9289879

>>9289559
It looks scene on white girls, it looks generically "ethnic" on girls from a lot of the rest of the world. Neither work in lolita but it works well with some outfits.

>> No.9289899

>>9289271
cows are a whole lot more useful tho

>> No.9290055

I'm not sure how unpopular it is but I love OTT sweet from around 2008-2012 and can't get into the newer kinds of sweet.

Older OTT sweet looks so magical and makes me so happy when I see it whereas I feel nothing looking at newer sweet dresses save for a few. It bums me out a bit how it became a bit of an ageplay/pastel vomit/overhyped meme that's now looked down on a lot because nothing else looks as happy and fun to me (fairy kei doesn't have that same kind of spark). I love the art and colors on most sweet dresses from that time, mostly AP ones like the dreaded sugary carnival, dream sky, milky planet, sugar hearts, toy fantasy, jewelry jelly, and the like.

I mainly own older super sweet dresses and don't wear them much anymore to meets because I feel judged even though I coord them decently and appropriately for the occasion, such as not going super OTT unless it is a friend's house or a con and doing more toned down sweet for tea or events. But the looks I get from comm members feel like what I am wearing is old and terrible. Sucks man.

>> No.9290072

>>9290055
>the looks I get from comm members feel like what I am wearing is old and terrible
I'm sorry that this is what you have to deal with, anon. Your comm sounds judgmental and shitty.

>> No.9290090
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>>9290055
Older OTT sweet is what got me into lolita, and even though I never wore it, it really makes me happy in a way that modern sweet never could.

It's kind of hard to explain, but I felt like the motifs of older Baby/AP were more genuinely 'sweet,' instead of the dresses we're getting today that are lean towards gothic motifs (castles, crosses, etc) with sweet styling. There used to be a very clear split between what was gothic/classic/sweet, and now that split seems to not be so defined.

>> No.9290099

>>9290055
Most of my comm are still into that style of sweet and don't buy newer stuff.

>> No.9290110
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9290110

>>9290090
I miss seeing 2008-2011 AP style sweet. You hardly see it anymore. There is something so cute and bubbly about this style. I never saw it as something infantile, only a representation of cuteness and a bright nature.

>> No.9290178
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9290178

I hate the current "look" of fairy kei. It feels like such a clash of decora and mish mash of pastels. I miss the fluffy tutus, cosy tshirts and jumpers and fat socks with bright tights, very few accessories and jewellery. Now you have to cram as much onto your body as possible, wear all the clips you can on your head and wear as many clothes. The other option is a snapback, hoodie, hammer pants and sneakers; which sucks so much fun from the look.
Maybe Menhera/Yumekawaii can take its place but I've already seen girls overdoing those styles even.

>> No.9290208

>>9290090
Definitely agree. I'm still adding older AP prints to my wardrobe as opposed to newer releases, since their current genre of sweet is far more mature than I'd like.

>> No.9290272

>>9290055
Still my favorite style, I have some newer stuff but I prefer that era of sweet. Most of wishlist is older sweet dresses, glad I started making more at my job recently.

I'm glad I don't really going to meetups, everyone in my comm is into classic or gothic. Also, I'm older and I know the looks I would get would be way more nasty.

I'm glad I don't

>> No.9290275

>>9290178
I love those tutus! Anyone know where I kind find tutus like that?

>> No.9290355

Hey >>9288324 is this what you mean? >>9289206 Because now I think I know what you mean.

>> No.9292098
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9292098

>>9290355
This girl doesn't look tired at all? I think this has more to do with bad camera angles..

>> No.9292153

>>9290275
we used tutus from bodyline but when Pinkly Ever after was still a thing, they made pretty great tutus.

>> No.9292164

>>9290055
That is my favorite style too, and although not a lot of other girls in my com wear it, when I wear it they tell me they miss that kind of style and they're happy to see me wearing it. It really warms my heart when people make comments like that to me. Keep wearing what you love anon, and keep ott sweet alive!

>> No.9292172

>>9292098
>>9290355
I'm the original anon who hates heavy winged eyeliner on top
Her eye makeup makes me fucking cringe in both pics. Looks so bad.

>> No.9292174

>>9292172
>Her eye makeup makes me fucking cringe in both pics
That is making it sound like you think those are the same girl, and they are not.

>> No.9292190

desu if i dont plan to post my shit or tote myself as pro for e fame i will go wigless for casual lolita just so i feel comfier. my hair isnt even that great. im mixed and its the kind that when u brush it, it gets hella poofy, but idc lmao

>> No.9292194

>>9292174
I think anon just hates any eye makeup that isn't the exact same as hers, desusenpai.

>> No.9292225

>>9292194
On the girl in the picture that linked and not posted, it doesn't look that great, she looks like she's high. On the second one, it looks fine and minimalist.

>> No.9292445

>>9292194
Agree with this. There is nothing wrong with the winged eyeliner in >>9292098

>> No.9292449

>>9292194
I think >>9292172 is a troll trying to ruffle some ruffles. Winged eyeliner is fine as long as it's applied correctly to the person.

>> No.9292485

I love gothic lolita to the roots of my cold obsidian heart, but! A while ago, my friend pointed out how my black/white coord gives the gypsy vibes. It was a joke, but now I can't unsee it. Send help.

>> No.9292488

>>9292485
Try look at some pretty Manas!

>> No.9292489

>>9292485
That's an odd observation. What did that coord look like?

>> No.9292509

>>9292488
I will. Perhaps there's blue candlelight waiting at the end of a tunnel. Mana-sama guide me.
>>9292489
Your typical old-school coord: black velvet, white lace, A-line skirt, maxipad headdress.

>> No.9292512

>>9292509
What about it gives off gypsy vibes? I'm not even sure what that means to be honest, a clarification would be nice. Sorry, I'm a bit confused.

>> No.9292523

>>9287836
>meetup
>a way to meet other people with similar interests as you, including fashion
What a concept

>> No.9292527

>>9292512
Gypsy ladies my country sometimes wear these black-white velvet dresses, seems like it's not a thing elsewhere, so couldn't find anything on english.
Put "romanipuku" to google image search, and you'll see what I mean.

Even if it might be kinda far-fetched, there is still some resemblance.
Everytime I put that particular gothic dress on, I'm afraid I look like some raceplayer fetishist, since I'm white.

>> No.9292530

>>9289788
>droopy and tired
>doe-eyed and sleepy
For fucks sake, anon

>> No.9292543

>>9292527
Oh! I've never seen these types of outfits before. Makes a lot more sense now. I'm sure your coord looked very cute though! Maybe try to coord your dress in a new way to clear your mind of this?

>> No.9292559

>>9292527
Those blouses look like some unholy mix between my grandmother's blouses from the 80's and Milanoo lacemonsters.

>> No.9292567

>>9283787
>>9283753

I have a question that has been plaguing me anons and hope you can give me some input since it came up.

>I'm fat
>I have long, pretty, thick, well kept hair.
>don't have bangs
>often wear my hair naturally cause it looks nice in more toned down coords.

Here is my delema, about getting bangs.
>If I get bangs I will look really cute
>worried about getting bangs, taking volume out of the body of my hair, which is important for fatties to achieve good balance.
>Bangs might make my sort of chubby face look even rounder.

Thoughts?

It is a massive decision to make for me because my hair is hip length so they wont grow out anytime soon.

>> No.9292572

>>9292567
This isn't help at all, but really it's more of about what you want.
I doubt you'd want to post a picture for a better judgement.

About the chubby face, I've found it's more about face length than width.. Sorta. It's easier to pull off bangs if you have a long/oval face, whereas a short face looks really bad with bangs.

>> No.9292576

>>9292567
Get clip on bangs?

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>>9292527
Concluding from the image search results, their look is floor-length black dresses/skirts, black top with lots of white lace, long sleeves, no headwear.

Besides the colour scheme I don't see a lot of resemblance to egl though, if you exclude lacemonsters, as another poster has pointed out. The laces, fabrics and textures are completely different, as is the entire silhouette.

I'd recommend you to just Mana up!

>> No.9292582

>>9292567
Get clip-on bangs and style them to suit your face shape.

>> No.9292601

>>9292572
>>9292576
>>9292582
Thanks anons. I will try clip-ons for now to see If I like the look. Might post a pic of myself on a hair thread at a later date if I want to get more advice. Thanks.

>> No.9292726

>>9292543
>>9292559
>>9292581
Thanks gulls, I knew I could count on you. Mana be praised, I'll rock that dress just like before!

>> No.9292759

>>9292726
Anon, I feel so weird sometimes in my poofy dresses when they come around. I fear they think I'm trying to badly copy them or something lol.

>> No.9292873

>>9288431
Its not her brand, shes just their model

>> No.9292896

>>9284531
I have the same problem. I fluctuate between 58 and 65kg but even when I've been a pig the size S is swamping me and some dresses only seem seemed to be stocked in M and up for whatever reason. So why do the models all appear to be skinny af. Isn't this counterproductive if they market to bigger girls?

>> No.9293093

>>9292567
Take the section of your hair that would become your bangs and clip it up in that sort of 'bump' style so that none falls o the side. Decide if you like the weight of your hair without it.

Alternatively, what everyone else is saying; clip on bangs. But if you have thick hair, bangs will probably be fine. I'm fat, and I hate other fatties with no bangs, it's so unflattering.

>> No.9293106

>>9292896
I'm so fucking huge I don't even fit in size 2L. I want to die.

>> No.9293117

>>9292567
Get real bangs. You can get clip-in bangs and if you like the way you look with bangs, just go return them and get your hair cut into bangs. Clip-in bangs look like awful clip-in bangs.

You most likely will look better with bangs. I struggled with the decision for years and finally bought clip-in bangs, thought they looked fake but still wanted bangs, and went and got them the next day. BEST DECISION EVER. Bangs are kawaii as hell and so easy to style.

>> No.9293128

>>9292523
I like the girls in my comm, but we have nothing in common other than we wear the same clothes. Not that other anon but I get where they're coming from.

>> No.9293136

>>9293117
>the feeling when you have a double cowlick and can't have bangs

I wear clip in bangs made from human hair and they dont look like clip in bangs if you wear them correctly. If you go cheap they look cheap. Thought people in this fashion understood this simple concept.

>> No.9293172

>>9292567
Just in case you're ESL, it's "dilemma"

>> No.9293496

>>9293136
Ignore the other anon. They obviously only know of the cheap and plastic clip in bangs. If you invest real money into them like you have you're fine.

>> No.9294011

I'd rather see a guy in gothic lolita than in regular goth. Western goth fashion for men is so unappealing to me that I think honestly guys have to go jfash or go home, whereas western goth for women still looks pretty good.

>> No.9294012

>>9292445
That anon is a troll, but the pic doesn't look good IMO. I liked winged eyeliner but she should have pencil lined at least the outer quarter of her lower waterline, even if she did it in grey or something instead of black, because the look of heavy liquid liner above and nothing, not even mascara, below gives an odd effect.

>> No.9294269

>>9289442
Is there a reason not to like them?

>> No.9294330

I love every tacky, terrible, ugly thing meta comes out with.

>> No.9294996

I think Lolita looks better on busty girls than on flat girls, given that the dress fits.

>> No.9295035
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>>9283857

>> No.9301155

Girls with round, chubby faces look cute in lolita.

Matching coloured wigs, even twintail wigs, look better than naturally-styled hair with pastelsplosion 2012-era OTT sweet.

Every time I read anecdotes on /cgl/ about how the public, their SO or their family react negatively to lolita, I wonder if they are actually a cute lolita people are being dicks to for no reason or if they're a newfag/perma-ita that genuinely does look so bad they're embarrassing to be around. (Projecting slightly, but I still feel lingering embarrassment from three years ago when I went for a day out in babby's first coord without warning my friend what I'd be wearing. They were a perfect gentleman about it, but in hindsight I looked like a hot mess and it's no wonder people said I looked weird).

I think it's unfair (if unavoidable) that slim, conventionally pretty girls always get both the most likes online and the nicest reactions from the public. I feel sorry for girls whose faces mean they get a harder time getting normies to accept the way they dress.

>> No.9301167
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>>9292567
Your hair just has to be long. I understand what you are saying about the proportions. As a stylist, it basically means we are suppose to say 'that'd look horrible' when big girls with long hair ask, 'Would this shoulder length/pixie/a-line bob style look cute on me?'.

If you get bangs, try to go for longer side swept bangs. You could do the straight across bangs, but there's a fine line between cutting them too short. Wispy straight cut bangs that fall right below the eyebrows can look good. Heavy straight cut bangs that sit right out/above the eyebrow will reveal the worst of features.

Also, make sure they cut it properly. The area they should be cutting only extends from the end of one eyebrow to the other, this will leave plenty of long hair around the temples and cheeks. Many hairdressers accidentally cut too far into the sides of the head and remove this part, revealing the sides of the face too much. This pictures shows what I'm talking about, this hairdresser cut the hair past the end of the eyebrow. Don't do this, not even with side bangs.

>> No.9301278

>>9301155
>Every time I read anecdotes on /cgl/ about how the public, their SO or their family react negatively to lolita, I wonder if they are actually a cute lolita people are being dicks to for no reason or if they're a newfag/perma-ita that genuinely does look so bad they're embarrassing to be around. (Projecting slightly, but I still feel lingering embarrassment from three years ago when I went for a day out in babby's first coord without warning my friend what I'd be wearing. They were a perfect gentleman about it, but in hindsight I looked like a hot mess and it's no wonder people said I looked weird).
I wonder about that too, especially when you can see some of the people you know for sure are posting here. I never get negative reactions but it's because of where I live, people don't care about it, and I sometimes see other lolitas out in the wild so it's just a rare occurrence. I think sometimes there are definitely some weirdos here who are posting those sympathy stories and they probably do look weird and maybe the area factors in too, but I bet most of those stories are just, the area effecting the individual. If I wore lolita back when I still lived in the rural parts of Florida, my parents would for sure be losing their shit and the town would be like "wtf is wrong with you". But I'm in a big city so no one cares, regardless of if the person just looks like trash.

>> No.9301338

>>9301278
I mean, I don't want to imply that everyone is lovely to lolitas that look pretty and the public will only react negatively if you're ugly and ita - and I've had a fair few negative experiences myself (including in coords that were really popular online) - but some of these people probably do look bad even by our standards.

I've posted in funny/awful story threads about this before, but reactions definitely vary by area. Now I live in a big city I wear lolita all the time without too many issues, but if I still lived with my parents in a run-down post-industrial town with nowhere to work and fuck all to do, I wouldn't wear it. I respect those that persist despite the opposition, but for me it's not worth the hassle. Anywhere with enough youth unemployment to have gangs of 20 bored lads hanging around the bus station all day shouting shit at passers-by and following people around is not somewhere I want to stand out.

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>>9294011
goth guy here

i concur, with the caveat that jgoth for men in general is much better than what the West offers. sadly most Western men can't fit Japanese brands.

>> No.9301779

>>9292098
I think it depends on your eyelashes. This girl would greatly benefit from wearing some mascara on her lower lashes, and it does look unfinished and odd this way. If you have naturally dark eyelashes you might not need it as much, but you do need to balance your eye framing somehow, whether with a thin eyeliner line, eyeshadow or mascara.

>> No.9301830

>>9301703
I mean, it probably doesn't help that a lot of goth sites seem to use mainstream mens' models, or that the goth guys I see seem to be older in general than the girls (I have seen good-looking goth guys under 25, but most of the ones I see IRL are way past that - I feel like girls are starting with goth at a much higher rate than guys).

I do empathise with men though, since they get less leeway to wear interesting clothes in general. With western goth for guys you've gotta get away from wearing fucking printed T-shirts and black with dyed hair and calling it a day (istg, most "goth fashion" for men is so low-effort and bland), but it's hard to go formal, long coats, hats, etc without looking like a fedora. It seems tricky to balance and hard to look properly goth without being too flamboyant for most occasions.

I guess there isn't a huge availability of materials about the style, and there's a big hassle/money/effort barrier to get into it, but I know a few guys who I think would like jgoth and I wish they'd try it.

>> No.9302161

>>9292190
I'm mixed, too. Use coconut oil and an appropriate brush (bristle material/density, brush shape etc). I have never worn a wig and don't intend to.

>> No.9302194

>>9288324
>only line the bottom
That looks fucking terrible, but okay.

>> No.9302196

>>9283691
I am really tired of seeing friends who only got into star wars after TFA cry and pretend like Carrie has been their role model their whole lives. Like bitch pls you never said a word about star wars or carrie until it suddenly became relevant again. To stay on cgl topic, I'm curious to see how many leia cosplays we'll be getting soon.

>> No.9302878

Hating flower crowns isn't an unpopular opinion anymore. And not everyone who wears flower crowns wears them because of Tumblr.

>> No.9302933

>>9302878
Is it the really flimsy flower crowns you see at renaissance festivals that get all the hate, or any headdress with flowers, even if they have nice bows or feathers or what have you?

>> No.9302953

>>9302933
It's usually the tacky ones, especially if the flowers are really big and even more so if it doesn't match the coord (which surprisingly does happen).

>> No.9302990

>>9302953
I think flower crowns with bigger flowers work than ones with smaller ones just as long as the person's hair/wig and poof are just as voluminous. Otherwise, it'd look way out of balance.

>> No.9302995

>>9302933
If the quality of the flower crown is poor no matter the style/volume/size, it's Tumblr shit. It also shit if it's shoehorned into your coord because omg flower crowns.

>> No.9303000

>>9302990
Could be, it's the same principle as wearing head eating bows with big hair, but from what I've seen so far large flower crowns are often thrown on top of a wig (sometimes with a veil and/or a halo) without much consideration to hair volume to balance it out and it looks awful.

>> No.9303075

I don't get it when people say they feel self conscious in lolita. I don't think anyone cares, and if anything I just get a lot of compliments instead. More than any of my normie clothes.

I wouldn't wear lolita with my normie friends if they were so self conscious but actual lolitas don't have an excuse.

>> No.9303163

>>9303075
>I don't think anyone cares, and if anything I just get a lot of compliments instead.
I'm glad you've been lucky, but it's all down to area. I have friends who've had horror stories in lolita, and although I mostly get positive responses and it seems like the majority of people just ignore it, I get a lot of people being uncomfortable, not knowing how to react, staring, and the odd negative comment or people shouting at me. I'm probably on a 6:1 positive:negative ratio for things people say out loud, but I can see how the non-verbal reactions and stares could make a lot of people uncomfortable, since they are mostly negative or neutral.

>> No.9303679

>>9303163
Then why get so caught up in what other people think? I'm tired of people on this board being special snowflakes who have ~anxiety~ who have to cry the second someone shoots them a bad look.

Where do you guys live? Do y'all live in the ghetto or in bumfuck nowhere?

>> No.9303795

>>9303679
You sound like an ita.

>> No.9303799

>>9303679
>feeling uncomfortable standing out
>special snowflake
I don't think that phrase means what you think it means

>> No.9303806

>>9302933
not OP, but honestly any flower crowns at all get OMG TUMBLR!!!!!!! piled, regardless of quality or coord

>inb4 mad tumblr baby
I wear old school gothic, I just find the constant tumblr witchhunts irritating

>> No.9303832

>>9303679
There are some areas where standing out can literally get you fucking killed.

And even then, feeling like shit because someone shoots you a dirty look is a pretty human reaction.

It's great you can just brush it off, but the vast majority cannot.

>> No.9303859

>>9303832
Different anon but I really don't understand people who cry over dirty looks or some frat guy going "nice dress". Like, if you legitimately live in a dangerous area then I feel bad for you and I sympathise, but personally I love seeing people's reactions, it's very amusing and makes going out for boring shit less boring. I just feel like if mildly negative reactions are enough to get you down lolita isn't really the fashion for you.

>> No.9303864

>>9303679
I agree, I don't get it either. If standing out makes you soooo uncomfortable then maybe you shouldn't wear this fashion at all instead of whining about it.

>> No.9303916

>>9302953
>>9302990
>>9302995
>>9303000
>>9303806
This has me a little worried. I'm in the process of commissioning a flower headdress with a veil for a coord that heavily features coffins and crosses. I thought medium sized black roses in a tasteful, high-quality headdress with a bow or two would be very complimentary, and my wig has plenty of volume to balance it out, but now I'm not sure if I should bother with it at all. I mean, wouldn't most veils benefit from some flowers and bows?

>> No.9304354

I have never joined the comm in my country, nor would I want to. I had a peek & they are mainly a weebish con going, genderfluid, special snowflake fat sea of bodyline, barring a couple of well dressed cuties, are around college age & living with the parents. Their instas look like chris chan sperged all over it. So disappointing.

>> No.9304356

>>9303916
Do whatever you want. Anons are just being contrarian. Do you wear this stuff because you love it or because of what anons might say about it?

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>>9294011
every time I think of male western goths, I think of VTMB npcs

>> No.9304359

>>9290178
on the topic, I HATE the sudden large use of black and white polkadots. I also hate the over use of those animal pastel sweaters. They're pretty cute and I'd wear them outside of fairy kei, but goddamn bw polkadots and those damn sweaters make every coord look like the same bland shitty coord

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please, photographers, weebs, itas for the LOVE OF GOD stop making everyone do a DABBING photo for group photos at meetups. no one finds it funny except for you and your weeb ita friends or whoever's inevitably the gold digger girlfriend of the photographer. no one wants to do it, everyone also hates you afterwards.

>> No.9304572

>>9303916
Black roses are often nice and funereal, I'm sure it's fine.

>> No.9304811

>>9304356
>>9304572
You're absolutely right, wearing what you love really is what's important. I'm going to wear it so long as it's high-quality and looks good. Thanks guys.