/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I thought this drawing of the La Farfa girls was really cute. You can really see how stylish and cute their outfits are.

Found this on a Storenvy called Pocket Tokyo. I wonder if it's from a Taobao store originally.

Tsunoshi is a famous Shironuri icon in Japan.

>>9213013
Who is this super cute model?!

>>9212982
Gross as fuck

sometimes, when I see cute fat girls, it makes me want to be fat

>>9212982
Where can I get this? Not even plus sized, I just absolutely need it

>>9212982
This is still so adorable

>>9213055
It's probably plumprimo

I feel sick to my stomach every time I see a fat person. I just think of how much garbage it took for them to blow up to the size of Ohio and feel like vomiting.

>>9213068
HWC plz.

>>9213081
Sorry I eat healthy food and feel sick at the thought of eating a ton of garbage? greasy food makes me queasy

>come back to /cgl/ after 2 years
>it's turned into a HAES nest

Absolutely fucking disgusting.

>>9213083
You don't have to apologize for a healthy diet anon, ignore the trolls.

>>9212984

I love this model so much, she has such a cute face

>>9212982
Why call fat "plus size"?
What's the difference?

>>9213114

>>9212982
Disgusting fatfucks even ruin japan!

>>9213116

>>9213113
My feelings are the difference anon

It's not the same someone call me "fat" than "plus size": plus size shows some respect while "fat" is an insult

>>9213122
fat isn't an insult, is a condition
if that is true, thin should've an insult too? wtf
there's a reason you're ashamed of being fat, don't you think?

>>9213113
Both mesning the same plus size is a softer term to use than fat. I also feel like plus size covers any thing from chubby to landwhale while fat is just that.

>>9213127
Fat isn't a condition, fat is something everyone got in their body so you are fat too.

>>9213127
>>9213139
fat is genetics
fat cannot be choosed, I'm fat since I was born

>>9213142
I know you are being ironic but I'm still mad because some people unironically think this

>>9213113
Originally, plus size was coined as term for every kind of clothing bigger than the average sizing avaiable, extra long clothes for tall-as-fuck people are labeled plus size too.

This argument is tiresome and overdone. There are other places you can debate your opinions on weight. Let's just share cute jfashion pictures.

>>9213151
Sorry you're so offended that you can't deny being fat is a medical condition but that doesn't mean we have to stop discussing it.

>>9213158
I'm not offended, just tired of hearing the same nonsense. You don't actually care about it being medically threatening. You just want to laugh at others. I'm also not plus-sized. I just admire fashionable people that work around their bodytypes. I like fashion being more than just one body type.

It's offtopic to this board and is doing nothing to help. That's why you should stop discussing it.

can anyone recommend any good plus size jfashion shops?
I'm pretty tall so unless I'm underweight I can't fit most asian clothes unless they have shirring.

>>9213168
>You don't actually care about it being medically threatening. You just want to laugh at others.

Fuck you. You don't know that. I genuinely feel fear for fat people, they are rotting themselves from the inside out and need to be forced to stop. The damage isn't entirely reversible but they CAN improve the outlook by BEING HEALTHY. Which means LOSING WEIGHT through HEALTHY means.

>>9213175
kek

>>9213180
Why is fearing for fatties lives funny? They're killing themselves slowly. If someone was cutting their wrist to kill themselves you'd fucking stop them but because these people are eating themselves to death and it'll take longer it's okay?

>>9213186

>>9213169
For JP stores, there is Plumprimo, Re-J and Punyus. Uniqlo and Clover Plus have more 'normal' clothing options in larger sizes. La Farfa have also collabed with DreamV.

>>9213175
Congratulations. Use that passion to help them, not ridicule them. Complaining about them on 4chan isn't going to make anyone healthier.

>>9213194
Don't you understand? Ridiculing fatties is the best way to prevent future fat people. It's why there wasn't many fatties before this century. But slowly it became less appropriate to call people out on their shit and thus fatties flourished.

We need to force them into rehab centers each time they reach a certain BMI.

>>9213169
If you want tall sizes, Isetan, Rope and Nissen have tall sizes available.
>http://www.survivingnjapan.com/2012/06/where-to-find-tall-and-plus-size.html

>>9213199
That's not actually how it works. (fairly SJW article but with sources that show harassing fat people makes it worse)
>https://authoritynutrition.com/fat-shaming-makes-things-worse/

>also calling them fatties doesn't really show that you care about their health just saying.

>>9213186
I'm fearing for your life over the autism fit you're having right now probably due to skipping your meds. Stay safe honey praying for you.

>>9213199
>wah fat people
This boards obsession with fat people is out of control. Is it because everyone thinks you're all whales and you're trying to overcompensate?

Them being fat literally doesn't effect you at all. And that 'I'm concerned about their health!!11!1' nonsense is bullshit.

>>9213209
Some of us pay taxes anon. Fat people need more medical care and that's a big impact on taxes. I don't think it's fair that I have to pay for someone's medical bills because they're too fucking lazy to go for a run or eat a salad instead of a deepfried burger.

>>9213209
>mte

>>9213212
Fat people actually don't make your taxes worse. Smokers, alcoholics and drug users do, however. Are you harassing them too? Keep making excuses bro

>>9213213
That purse is vaguely threatening

>>9213212
...are you actually retarded?

>>9213135
This outfit is cute!

>>9213214
Keep telling yourself that when most of the overweight population is also on welfare.

>>9213216
No, but you probably are if you support people literally killing themselves by over indulgence.

>>9213211

Do you happen to know who the girl on the left is? She's adorable

>>9213215
I didn't actually read the text, lol. I love weird Japan English.

>>9213224
She is! I am not sure what her name is, sorry.

>>9213236
Is she downs?

>>9213244
The fupa on the left one is frightening. How does she wipe her vagina?

>>9213246
Quality image you got there.

>>9213245
She doesn't, it reeks of stale pee and yeast infection/period residue.

>>9213248
Best quality I could find of that photo.

>>9213222
Or I have other things in life to worry about

>>9213252
Why post a shit image? There are plenty of other things to post.

Also, that bitches knees look like they giving out.

>>9213252
Ah another cute one!

>>9213256
>cute
>knees are collapsing inward from all the strain

yeah having to use a wheelchair in the future sure is

"cute"

>>9213175
You can tell you don't really care, because if you did then you would know that the only actual way to help fat people lose weight is to be nice to them and raise their self esteem.

Those fat positive sites do more to help people lose weight than you or anyone else ever will by being mean and condescending. This has been scientifically studied over and over again. Being a jerk to fat people only makes them hate themselves, and why work to better yourself if you hate yourself? You don't, you only start doing that when you feel good about yourself.

NB4 "fuck you anon I lost weight because I hated the way I was and because people were being assholes to get me in gear!", well thats very nice for you but that is not an effective strategy for most people. Also, it means you are probobly going to get fat again soon because you never worked on the actual problem.

TLDR:
Being an asshole to fat people does not make them lose weight. FACT.
Nice threads about cute clothes and talking about the best looks for them DOES.

>>9213263
I love you, anon.

>>9213257
Your persistence is embarrassing

>>9212982
>>9212984
>>9212998
>>9213135

Chinese.

>>9213263
>being this #triggered
put. the. fork. down.

You know what would make them lose weight? Forcing them into fat fuck rehab.

>>9213270
Your weight is probably embarrassing.

Japanese plus size is what, a US size 8-10?

>>9212995
One more of this girl. I like her style.

>>9213222
Uh.. Pretty sure they aren't.

>>9213275
Whatever helps you sleep at night senpai

>>9213279
I'm in love with this style lately! Definitely going to be updating my fall wardrobe. I'm not familiar with styles so not sure what this one is called? Someone yesterday recommended Liz Lisa to me which I like so far

>>9213287
>can't think of an argument
>b-Baka Senpai ur fgt

K

>>9213278
Most Japanese plus sizes start around US Size 10-12 depending. The largest JP sizes I've seen are US 24.

>>9213194
Forgot to add, for lolita Metamorphose is good for the smaller end of plus sizes. Maxicimam has a line for larger plus sized girls.

>>9213287
Frumpy kei.

>>9213299
>meta is the tacky fat girl brand
Sounds about right.

>>9213299
Oh shoot, original comment is gone. JP plus sized stores often features in magazines include Plumprimo and Punyus. DreamV has a plus sized line (very gyaru cute). For normal style clothing, Uniqlo, Nissen, Isetan and Clover Plus is good.

>>9213287
It's mori girl / mori kei. Similar styles include cult party kei and natural kei.

>>9213311
I'm familar with CPK but I don't like that as much as I did in high school. Thanks!

>>9213314
She looks like she just farted and now she's confused about it

>>9213317
>that awkward moment when you keep trying to make jokes but you're not funny

>>9213318
That was my first post of the thread, chill anon.

>>9213318
>when you're so paranoid you think every joke you don't like is the same person

>>9213321
>>9213323
If you're gonna try to be insulting, at least make it funny.

>>9213326
That's ironic because anon was literally just using what they replied to and changing up the subject matter.

Also, those posts are two different people. You sound super defensive.

>>9213326
Here you go, use this to calm down. It sounds like you need it.

>>9213329
>>9213334
When trolling is this easy here

>>9213335
Calm down. Please. I worry for your health, being fat and that upset puts a massive strain on your heart.

Wouldn't want your diabetus to flare up.

Why do fat people always vaguely smell like vinegar or stale sweat? I don't hate fat people or anything but I can't figure it out.

>>9213347
I always find they smell like stale farts or ham.

>>9213347
>smelling fat people in your free time

But in all seriousness, more rolls = more sweat.

>>9213357
Have you ever been around a fatty? It's kinda hard NOT to smell them.

>>9213358
>being around fat people
found your problem

>>9213279

I'm a fattychan and I dont think it looks that great on heavier girls. Mori is all about draping layers and losing silhouette that on a bigger person, they just turn into a blob of clothing.

I dont have a hate for chubsters, but I think its best to dress properly for your shape. I dont closely follow mori but if anyones ever done it with an accented waist line, then I think it could be a-OK for heavier girls

This entire thread makes me want to vomit

>>9213630
I can smell her cunt cheese from here

Why not just lose weight and wear clothes meant for normal sized people? No fatty-chan can get away with Lolita, it's like insult to injury. There is just something embarrassing about a fat chick bursting out of the seams on an OP and looking like a blimp in a petticoat.

Has Plumprimo released anything new as of late? I used to check the DreamV store on Rakuten 's global site but they changed the layout and I can only find Plumprimo-specific things by searching.
>Lose weight past the point that old Plumprimo purchases are frumpy as hell
>Waist could fit into regular burando but chest probably never will

https://world.taobao.com/item/531963865549.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14439252867.72.h1XWKs

Spamming some taobao links

https://world.taobao.com/item/534807536823.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14439252867.81.R55FJi

>>9213689
https://world.taobao.com/item/527664975558.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14954753091.69.9PCOBj

>>9213690

https://world.taobao.com/item/531963865549.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14439252867.72.h1XWKs

>>9213689

https://world.taobao.com/item/537800494744.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14439252867.78.nHoXq9

>>9213689

https://world.taobao.com/item/43101197980.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-14954753091.99.B09oqz

>>9213169
>this feel
It's the worse

>>9213726
Same here. I'm 173cm so even if it fits, it's always way too short. I can't even consider buying most j-fash dresses unless I want them as dresses.

Case in point- Just ordered a cute sweater in XXL hoping it would be oversized and i'd have sweater paws- Fits fine on the torso, doesn't even reach my wrists on the sleeves. :c

A few Japanese fashion shops that have plus sized clothing.

Natural clothing
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-ecoloco/

Urban/Natural/Oversized
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/osharewalker/

Natural/Casual
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/amarilyn/
Also has a plus sized model for reference-
http://www.rakuten.ne.jp/gold/amarilyn/imakore/code-1/code-new-index_100items.html

Casual
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/clette-online/

>/cgl/
>accepting haes

Holy shit what is with all the deleted posts in this thread? This is legit abuse of power by some fat fuck mod.

>>/cgl/thread/S9212982#p9213086

INB4 ban but I already know that's coming. Mods here no longer accept opinions that run contrary to their obvious bias. RIP 4chan.

bless this thread

>>9213013
Considering it is a taobao reseller I am pretty sure it is. Taobao's section for all items containing plus-size is http://nvzhuang.taobao.com/

>>9213885
The mods know most of /cgl/ is morbidly obese and to quell their raging beetus and prevent them from being #triggered into heart attacks they delete the "offensive" posts.

Bless you mods, these fat fucks get to live another day and shovel down more cake.

Jfashion doesn't look good on overweight girls period.

Swap that slab of cake for an apple and actually walk somewhere and you might be able to fit normal sized clothes.

>>9213956
>implying you can't get fat(ter) off of healthier foods
>what is calroies-in/calroies-out
2/10 made me reply.

>>9213978
That's even more terrifying when you think of the volume of shit they had to eat versus eating a smaller amount of junk food.

If someone gets fat on healthy food they must really not be able to stop shoveling food in their mouth.

>>9213895
Yes, bless cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis and type-2 diabetes, because god knows we need more of this in the world.

You HAES morons are braindead.

>>9213731
>>9213726
I know this pain, anons.

I generally get XXL for the bust, but because I'm so tall 9/10 they end up awkwardly short.

Y'all got any recommendations for brands?

God damn, why are Japanese girls always better than white girls?
Even their fat girls are cuter than our fat girls, some of their fat girls are even cuter than our skinny girls.
jfc

>>9214014
Eh, fat in any race is disgusting.

>>9214014
Because they obviously wouldn't take the ugly ones for modeling pictures as the ones posted here.

>>9214017
Stay pressed, you're probably not pretty yourself (Yes I'm a fatty chan and proud kek)

>>9214063
>proud of being fat
Jesus Christ. Why would you be proud of being physically handicapped?

>>9213672
I've noticed that DreamV has been incorporating 3L and 4L more into their regular lines recently than marking it as Plumprimo.

>>9214079
Because people who get fat are mentally ill.

>>9214063
>I'm not pretty

I am and you know what else? I'm not fat. Automatically miles better than you.

>>9213055
It's a plumprimo coat, there's a similar one for sale in the dreamv shop right now.

>>9214112
This explains a lot. I'll have to check it out! Not that anon but thanks for the heads up!

>>9213603

>>9214481
more of this lady because I really dig her style
1/2

>>9214481
my second pic has disappeared, but I'll wait and see to avoid a repost.

2/2

>>9214479
I need these pants! Is this plumprika?

>>9214572

>>9214575

>>9214577

>>9214578

>>9214581

>>9214600

>>9214603

>>9214609

>>9214577
gosh, she's so lucky to have an agreeable bust. this is hella cute

this makes me almost eager for easter

>>9214666

>>9214473
>>9214479
>>9214492
>>9214496
>9
>>9214494
Isnt Plumprimo a Chinese brand though..? They aren't on Rakuten from what I can find.

>>9212998
I like that skirt/shorts on the left... source?

>>9214702

>>9214703

>>9213731
>>9213726

>182 cm
>even japanese mens clothes wont fit

kill me senpai

>>9213672
I feel you, bro.
>be me, lose some weight
>waist goes from 80 to 74cm
>bust goes from 108 to 106cm
>thatisgreat.jpeg

>>9214703

>>9214720
>tfw 184cm
>tfw it's all in the torso
>tfw I just want to wear jfash

Feel you so badly anon. It's like the world doesn't want us to look cute and pretty. Even when western brands have some cute stuff it's always shorter.

Every time I see something adorable I'd love to wear I have to remind myself it's made for girls that are 160cm at best.

Holy fuck, /qa/ and /diy/ were right, there are literally whale in sheeps clothing threads on /cgl/. I can smell the hormone imbalance wrapped in polyester from here.

To think Hiro is threatening to shut the site down while you landwhales post your literally oversize images of frilly sausages, stealing bandwidth that could be much better used elsewhere. You people fucking disgust me on multiple levels.

>>9214703
This looks so comfy, I love it!

>>9214671

Are you sure you looked?

http://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?k=pp&sid=dreamv&l-id=gs_product_search

http://www.dreamv.co.jp/shop_brand/brand_plumprimo.html

Oh my gosh shes so freaking cute WHO IS SHE!!?!?!?!!!!!!

>>9214496

This isn't available anymore. qq

>>9215040
Plumprimo's model is https://twitter.com/mibb_7

>>9213003
Are these all from the same brand? I need this whole outfit, including the wig. It's too cute.

Plus cutie is a great Storenvy shop! It's a branch shop off of SpreePicky. They even have an app on the app store!

>>9213665
Oh that bear coat is so cute! want * p *

>>9214671
they sell through DreamV on Rakuten, I don't think there's much in stock at the moment though

Ahh, so your mods are all fat cunts as well.

Literally natural selection you fucking genetic dead ends.

>>9215875
cry harder all around /cgl/ you tard, have a (You)

>>9213203
Anon, thank you for the link.

>>9214610
I love the hair on the one on the left.

>>9214786
Same, anon.
>tfw get recommended Haenuli because they have things that look good on long torsos and run large
>Moon Jelly Princess goes up for PO
>Oh cool! I really really love this print!
>buy OP
>It arrives, I take it out
>Shit. That torso isn't long enough.
>Shirring is ridiculous.
Fuck my luck. It's probably the only release of theirs without torso length. I ended up getting the JSK (in a smaller size, because it runs HUUUUGE), but it still looks a bit awkward.

>>9215338
I expected her to have more followers

>>9214492
anybody know where i can buy this?

>always tag my coords with plus size lolita cuz I'm on the bigger side
>tfw they don't pop up in plus size threads
>too fat to be thin but too thin to be fat

Guess I'm just average

>>9216514
dreamv's rakuten no longer carries that coat so second hand shops are your best bet

>>9216543
if you have to tag your shit as plus sized you aren't average?

>>9216005
You should try high waisted skirts. It looks wonderful on my long torso about 17.75 inches, whereas normal is 16.5 inches.

>>9216240
Probably because she doesn't post selfies a lot in comparison to the average japanese girl on twitter.

>>9218137

Diff anon but I feel like "plus sized' standards are different with asian fashion vs amerifats.
Basically western girls who post plus size coords are looking for girls who are quite large, or more the western stardard of fatties. While for asian clothing you only have to be slightly larger to be considered plus size for their sizing.
So technically anon could be plus size via asian sizing but still look like a normal person ?

I'm preparing to do a lolita panel with a segment on dressing for one's body type. Looking at the Beautiful Plus Sized Lolitas which links to Lolita-Tips since they're the only relevant search results. Have anyone used this source in particular with success? If not, any personal advice and examples? I'm familiar with Lolita-Tips sharing dubious advice, and want to make sure the author isn't talking out of their ass.

>>9216005
ooh, different anon, but a friend wants that dress and I'll let her know it runs big. With any luck, could you get it taken in?

>>9214786
I'm 182cm and everything is pretty short on me. I just bought my second tea length underdress in red/bordeaux to make my sillhoutte resemble a normal one with a few pieces.

>>9213215
>>9213225
Off topic but it's not weird english - it's a famous Chinese poem that's been translated into Japanese, originally by Meng Haoran. It means 'to have slept so long that you feel sleepy for the rest of the day'

>>9216543
>too fat to be thin but too thin to be fat
Same anon, I got a lot of hate for calling myself chubby (not fat) in some self post thread some time ago. Apparently people got really triggered by that because I don't look fat enough, despite being UK16 and using 4XL in asian sizing...

>>9214005
Some taobao lolita shops offer custom sizing, you can find them on the taobao spreadsheet doc in the taobao thread. You have for instance surfacespell.
Fanplusfriend also offer custom sizing.
You also have underskirts

>>9214720
>>9214786
I guess you too have given up on """"over the knees"""" socks.

>>9214845

sauce?
This is cute as hell.

>>9218603
if I ever want "OTKs" thats what Thigh highs are for, and if I want thigh highs I'm fucked

so for taobao custom sizing I've had an issue where when I tell them i'm tall and to make it to certain measurements they always assume I'm fat too and make it wide as hell, completely ignoring any measurements I give them. and if I don't deal with that, they always send me a shirt with the bust at my collarbone or some shit. Do you know any shops that does custom sizing well?

>>9218628
That was also sold on dreamv and they no longer have it. Go search the second hand websites

>>9213657
I saved this picture as "Making Innocent World work" because goddamn are they unkind to boobs. Never getting a jsk from them again.

The Plumprimo model is absolutely adorable. Cutest plus size model I have seen so far.

Does anyone know of some good places to buy plus-size blouses? I was redirected here from another thread!

Anything at all with guys? I'm assuming not, since J-fash for men is unusual as it is, but I'd love to dress my boyfriend in J-fash with me, but I can't think of anything that would work...

>>9218969
Little Dipper, Lady Sloth, some Infanta ones may stretch, Anna House, some Meta blouses, Yolanda

>>9213029
i love her, this is definitely a toned down outfit for her some of her shironuri looks are intense lol

>>9214489
Wow damn

>>9218852
I learnt the hard way that just because their high waisted garmets list their bust measurement as 100cm doesn't mean it'll suit a 100cm bust.

>>9218969
Maxicimam lovely size has a few

>>9214496
this is adorable!

>>9213332
Where is that dress from? It's adorable!

>>9218798
>dreamv

Thank you. I know little about 2nd hand sites though. I'd probably be better off just sewing it myself.

are there any larger images of it? Image search doesn't want to pony up.

>>9221486

oops nevermind, I found a bigger image after all!

>>9214835
damn why they can't photoshop
those girls correctly, it's look like the right one legs are fuck'up

>>9221637
>girls
It's the same girl in both photos.

>>9219254
jfashion does not look good on fat girls, let alone fat guys

I am going to be in Tokyo in November and since I am a plus sized to Asian clothes standards, I was wondering best stores to go to? Where should I definitely hit up for clothes?

are ETC full shirring jsks forgiving on large busts? I'm about 105cm and I want to get into otome but I can't find much info

Requesting good plus size jfash on the gothy side of the spectrum.

>>9223205
Not incredibly. While 98-100 can make it work I think 105 is pushing it with them. Still, it might be passible if you have a good minimizer bra and boleros

>>9212995
>>9213001
>>9213328
>>9213640
>>9213654
>>9214572
>>9214577
This is why we need "good" in the title

>>9214821
Wow a decent Mikki pic.

>>9218181
>So technically anon could be plus size via asian sizing but still look like a normal person ?
Yes, that's essentially what I was getting at in my original post. Thanks for summing it up so nicely!

>>9223529
Those all look fine.

>>9226822
Not that anon but I have a few nitpicks for >>9212995 >>9213001 >>9213654 and I hate >>9213328 >>9214577 but >>9213640 >>9214572 are pretty cute

Has anyone with large breasts have experience with Atelier Pierrot blouses?

>>9223625
Gosh shes so cute. I'm so jealous, I feel like a lot of tubby asians dont get cellulite as much. I've seen this with some other races as well. I would love to be a chub with no cellulite, but alas i'm a lumpy legged freak
>even when I was skinny I had some cellulite so I dont even

>>9228842
Cellulite mostly comes from your genes, my bf is a total string bean yet has cellulite. I'm average size with chubby thighs and don't have a lot. Also being active can help reduce it. If you are fat cause you eat a lot, but you're really active, you will minimise cellulite greatly

>>9215583
Does DreamV restock ever? Not anything in particular, just wondering if it's worth waiting since their shipping is dumb.

>>9214005
Strawberry witch offers custom sizings...though I would recommend through SS cause SW customs are free of charge

Hey guys, where's a good place to buy dresses/lacy clothing that suits men? I'm thinking like a 116+ chest circumference.

>>9235959
Wops, 45 inches I mean. That there is CM.

>>9215338
>https://twitter.com/mibb_7
>You are blocked from following @mibb_7 and viewing @mibb_7's Tweets.
The hell?
>sage for ot

>>9228835
Do not get the full shirring ones. They look awful. I am technically on the smaller end of plus sized (98 cm bust) and I find them quite comfortable.

Anyone know who this is? I want to see more pictures but reverse image search shows nothing

>>9214668
This is horrible btw. It doesn't look bad at this size, but her original post had me gagging.

>>9212995
What is that on his head?

>>9223529
Agreed 100%

>>9238962
Holy hell she's fat

>>9239050
my bad I saw the thread image and thought this was the ita thread. read up the thread a bit and saw this is just a fatty thread

continue

>>9239050
She's at least plus size. You must be American

>>9239085
are you having a stroke? I just called her fat and plus sized is fat?

What hope do larger gothic lolitas that want gothic in the style of Moitie/Boz? By larger, I mean 110 bust and 80 waist.

>>9239089
I thought you were being sarcastic