/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Antique Chocolaterie is listed first.

Cirque de l'etoile

Followed by what I assume they meant to translate as Magic Amulet.

Last we have Dressy Time.

Vampire Rose from AaTP.

Lace Masquerade from AaTP.

Baby the Stars Shine Bright x Card Captor Sakura Collab

>>9171475
If only it was Masonic Amulet. I want my Frilluminati print.

>>9171468
>>9171472
Want
>>9171475
Disgusting

>>9171490
Better come in black

>>9171475
Where did all the people go that were excited for this release??

>>9171624
Probably back to the tasteless layer of hell they came from

>>9171624
The cuts are disappointing, especially the JSK but if there's a skirt I'll probably get that. I still think the print is cute and would be a good witch/Halloween piece.

>>9171627
Didn't we have a discussion for this exact flavor of shitposting to end?

>>9171638
Shame on you, anon. It's ugly as sin.

>>9171472
I've had a spot for this with Chibitenshi for months now and I am hyped.

>>9171642
Shame on you for maliciously shitposting when we had this discussion not a week ago.

>>9171490
I want to have a bohemian grove themed meetup one night. Rent out some old fancy plantation house (I live in an old southern city) and burn a giant carousel horse in the backyard.

>>9171478
If this came in mint I would die from want, but I haven't heard

>>9171486
I was really looking forward to this release based on the promotional images, but I'm honestly disappointed by the dress. It looks nowhere near as luxurious or eyecatching as the drawings :c

>>9171486

This barely has any resemblance to the drawing.

>>9171863
Yeeeeaaah. It's definitely a miss. Maybe it looks better worn, but I really doubt it.

>>9171863
why are most their collabs so bad when the source material gives them so much cute to work with

>>9171863
Imagine how popular that dress would be if they actually followed the concept.

Anyone buy Katrina 2.0? I hope it's just the stock photo but the quality looks less than great.

>>9172003
Did they change the lace on this...

>>9172012
They sure did. This one looks cheap as hell in comparison

>>9171472
Busy clusterfuck/10

>>9171472
I've been waiting for this since it was first announced. I've been trying to figure out how popular it'll be.

New Dear Celine Dress

>>9171468
Super cute. I wear 2010 pastel vomit shit but I may just snag this.

>>9171472
As busy as the print is, I love that JSK.

New Dear Celine blouses up for preorder
Only black and white available

>>9172265
This dress has made me realize I hate harlequin pattern

>>9172285

Yeah I dont know what to think of it either. It can look good sparingly but all over the fabric like this.... just why

>>9171472
Forgive me for not knowing, but I'm just now seeing this and I need it so badly. Any idea when it will be released?

>>9171486
I was really looking forward to this dress and wanted to buy it but it looks like a bad ebay cosplay compared to the reference...

>>9172309
Yep. Heart broken ;_;

>>9172265
>>9172284

Dear Celine, wherefore art thy stained glass print?

pic related, I want this. I don't want the other stuff.

Thoughts?

>>9172322
Sugary overload carnival?

>>9171657
Dude I'd fly all the way from Europe for a meet like that.

>>9172322
I need it and I hate that I need it

>>9172322
All the "where are the orange dresses" chans will finally be satisfied.

>>9172322

dammit baby, I already bought Rosy Night Masq. Please leave my wallet alone with these gorgeous Halloween prints !

>>9172322
This looks like if meta made milky planet

>>9172352

>>9172317
>why are you a stained glass print
?

>>9172322
I want to see it in black. Love the print and cut of the lower waist JSK, not a fan of the orange or ivory though.

>>9172357

......Ah. Aye, fuck me.

>whither be thy stained glass print

polite sage for offtopic

Irene OP from AatP. Too bad it's polyester, but otherwise it's really nice.

>>9172504
Either the sewing isn't up to scratch, or they haven't bothered sorting out the rumpled. It looks messy on the mannequin.

>>9172361

the black is disappointing imo. I wish it was as vibrant and contrasting as the orange colorway. Instead of an extremely washed out pastel next to black

>>9172529
Hey, yeah, you're right. It's bordering on that bittersweet black and pastel style - I was hoping it would be brighter :c

Hmm, What to do? Love the print, not big on the colorways. Oh well.

>>9172557
anon quick, delete your post before someone flips their shit at you

>>9172504
>thinks all poly is bad

Newfag much?

>>9172322
I get that it would look too busy if it had even more colors, but it kinda looks washed out to me, especially the black colorway. Like someone forgot to color half of the things in there

>>9172591
I still don't know why we can't have names for other colorways besides Shiro and kuro?

Tea Time Nostalgia re-release.
Colorways Navy and Green.
Looks like the Fashion Night special, not sure if these will go up online.

>>9172651
Because lolita doesn't change. That's why we only have two styles: lolita and gothic lolita.

Searching for Baroque re-release.
All colorways listed.
Looks like the Fashion Night special, not sure if these will go up online.

>>9172602
>not knowing the polyester AatP uses can be really shitty
Newfag much?

>>9172793
> That's why we only have two styles: lolita and gothic lolita.

>>9172352
Accurate. Especially looks like MP in that black colorway.

>>9172651
Because shiro and kuro are more than just colors or atleast used to be. Just a basic black gothic coord isn't kuro imo. Back in the day there were less color vaeuotaions and styles so makes sense they made those terms. Bittersweet however is just literally a sweet print dress in black colorway. Nothing more. There's a reason the terms for others one colored coords have died out: they are pretty much useless and descripes nothing in those coordinates. It's like we suddenly decided to call pink colored sweet cottoncandysweet and sax skycolorsweet etc.

>>9172557
>bittersweet
You can leave now.

>>9172867

>>9172904
Jokes are supposed to be funny.

>>9171468
I think what used to draw me in to AP prints were the little "worlds" in their prints. There was a story. Even basic stuff--these desserts are on a table, they're meant to be served. Items together meant something. This dress is just stuff floating. Chocolate desserts floating. There's no story, they're just there. They drew some cute stuff and threw it on the dress with no rhyme or reason.

Is sweet lolita even still around, or is it all OTT classic?

>>9172926
>Is sweet lolita even still around, or is it all OTT classic?

You serious or?

>>9172003
Katrina is my dream dress and this one looks so much worse. Really sad.

>>9172900
I mostly ask because there's a girl in my comm and she only wears sweet in the black colorways. She calls it bittersweet, and I think it's fine because she's describing her wardrobe as that's literally all it is. I mean I don't think everyone needs to have a themed wardrobe or a name for it but obviously someone started this term and I know cgl despises it, but there are also people that use it anyway? I doubt they're going to stop using it.

>>9172793
>Under rated post.

>>9172931
But that's ugly as shit. I mean sweet lolita that looks good.

>>9172940
Alright so you aren't serious and you're just b8.

>>9172940
>sweet lolita
>looks good
choose one

>>9172787
it looks so much better than the original because they replaced the random ass pink flowers

>>9172926
This is why I still love sugary carnival so much

>>9172902
You understood what they meant. People who get upset about the word are more annoying than people who use the word.

>>9172956
Agreed, that was the best time of AP.

>>9172912
you're only mad because you're too new to get it

>>9173010
The "are you new" shit should've died with gene wilder.

>>9171657
I would love to attend.

>>9171482
This is cute! The vest is a nice touch.

>>9173023
So is there a better excuse for why so many people around here don't know the absolute most basic shit about lolita?
And I legitimately don't get why people get so mad about the term "bittersweet". If you ask for sweet recs or coord help and don't mention kuro or bittersweet, no one will give you anything black. Same with country sweet. People get upset when it's used but you can't cultivate the aesthetic without further defining the category.

>>9172317
This is gorgeous, I hope it comes out soon too.

>>9172322
Orange is hideous but kind of fun. I want to see other cuts and colors of this print, the black is kinda sad

>>9172787
Beautiful. Superior to the original in my opinion

>>9172787
It looks like they got of everything pink/red, what ruins the nice color balance it had. It looked better before.

>>9173047
There was no color balance with the pink/red on the blue colourway.. the print barely had any pink in the first place, which made the pink flowers look completely random and discordant.

>>9173041
If you want to see them, just look on BTSSB's website. It's all there.

>>9173053
Not that anon, but I love the pink accents in my navy tea time nostalgia. I think they are nice and visible in real life, even so that it looks good coordinated with a pink blouse, for example. I also think that the trim has a more golden tone tone on mine, the new one looks more silver. Overall, I think the new one looks really bland and boring in the stock pictures, compared to the original.

>>9173040
I agree with you on the bittersweet thing. I'm just dead tired of gulls using old ass memes. This board seriously suffers from lack of OC more than anything else. I think it's because people are so quick to shut shit down with dumb repetitive comments.

>>9172322
I love this color, please don't judge me

>>9171482
This is absolutely gorgeous, I have to have it.
>>9171483
Eh, not crazy about this, but it's not horrible.
>>9171486
I don't like this at all one bit, no sir.

>>9171638
>>9171656
Your idea of malicious shitposting is laughable.

Also, pass along whatever you're smoking because you remember that discussion about as well as someone in mad drugs would. I'm the OP of the first new releases thread, and the entire reason I made it was because someone (who I'm guessing was you) was freaking out over people gently saying they didn't like the new AP releases in Generals. You were complaining about how people voicing their dislike was clogging up general threads, so I did us all a favor and created the initial New Releases thread so people could fawn or gag over them to their hearts content. Now you're bitching because people are doing the exact thing these threads were started for... voicing their opinions on new releases.

People will always have diverse opinions on Lolita. If you can't deal with people stating they find a dress ugly in threads that were made for that very purpose, stay out of them. Your whining is way more shitposting than people saying they don't like a dress in threads created for just that. It was kind of valid in the General, but now you're just being ridiculous.

>>9173121
Please remember to take your autism pills on time tomorrow, you get really cranky when you skip a dose.

>>9173113
It's okay anon, I want that print in that color, just a different cut. I feel no shame.

>>9173113
Honestly for what it is it's super cute. I always want to buy halloweeny pieces but I'm too much of a cheapass to buy something I couldn't really get away with wearing the rest of the year.

>>9173122
Lol, the person flipping shit and calling "malicious shitposting" because people are saying they don't like dresses in threads created for that very purpose, is calling someone cranky and autistic for pointing out they're being dumb. That's just cute.

>>9173130
Both are bad but the poster who called it malicious shitposting isnt posting right now anon. Please settle the fuck down, it's not the end of the world.

>>9173132
Not that anon, but I don't see what's wrong with calling out that girl's stupidity? Other anon simply told her these threads were created for people to state their likes and dislikes and she was being ridiculous for saying that doing so was malicious shitposting. I'm not sure why they're the ones getting the chill pill reaction image, especially when that other anon told them they were autistic and mad.

Also, pretty ironic how someone bitching about shitposting then makes a reply that contains nothing but that overused autism meme.

>>9173144
But I wasn't the person complaining about shitposting. The fact that I'm using le dank memes should tell you that. What makes you look at someone complaining about shitposting and then another anon who's post is mainly shitposting and think they're the same poster?


I'm not saying she shouldn't call the other person out, but her post sounds #triggered as fuck and it's not the way to call someone out.

>>9173144
Also, I'm the person who posted the autism pill post. The OP assumed I was the person complaining about shitposting earlier in the thread because she's on her period and grumpy or some other reason. When I'm not, at all. In fact I'm a massive culprit of shitposting in these threads.

Seriously, I'm all for posting whatever and think the anon complaining about shitposting needs to get over it but why is /cgl/ always so #triggered over fucking everything? I post a meme that's been overused to hell and back so suddenly I'm the original poster OP was disagreeing with?

If she wanted to call someone out she should have gotten her panties unbunched first, but now since I'm not even the poster she thought I was she looks like a jackass.

>>9173149
I'm confused why you think she sounds any more mad than any other person calling someone out on 4chan? The original girl sounds way more triggered, especially since her thing is much more silly to be mad about. Also, calling autism over a legit post is more of a sign of being mad than anything she was saying. I'm not saying you actually are, but it is a really stupid meme most commonly used by the butt hurt.

Also, I'm guessing that you didn't see the conversation in the general that they're talking about, since you're confused why I assumed the original girl was the person shitposting about autism. She made like 20 posts complaining about people not liking the new AP releases and derailed the entire thread at first, while bitching about how people were derailing it by saying they didn't like that new space print. Anon was probably annoyed because that was one of the cringiest general discussions ever, and seeing her bitch about it again is a perfectly legit thing to be annoyed by. Especially since she said herself that she started the thread to get that anon to shut up.

Whatever, the whole thing is dumb and we should all just carry on with hating on and lusting over the new dresses.

>>9173156
Not any of the anons participating, but you appear to have your panties in a bunch over this way more than anyone else involved in this discussion.

>>9173165
Is English not your first language? A lot of the phrasing sounds really bitter. Most of the time when people get called out the most effective way is to be factual and let those facts blow the other person out.

When you start adding in snide comments and then it turns out not to even be the person you thought it was you look insanely stupid. Especially to me since I'm the person OP replied to thinking I was the person complaining about the shitposting.

>>9173167
I'm just in it for the shitposting 〜(ゝ。∂)

>>9171482
where is this? i don't see it on the website

>>9173156
>The OP assumed I was the person complaining about shitposting earlier in the thread because she's on her period and grumpy or some other reason
The person who responded to you made no indication they were OP and spoke in third person. So... OP is mad and menstrual for assuming you're the person she was replying to... but it's totally fine for you to assume the anon who responded was OP, when you have no more reason to believe it was her than she did that it was the other girl?

Huh.

>>9173177
If I'm being entirely honest I'm only reading bits and pieces and then pulling arguments out of my ass to shitpost.

Okay, that was a nice little derail, but back on track before the ban hammer comes...

Do you guys think AP has gone uphill or down since the SC days? Honestly, there's very few AP prints past 2010 that speak to me the same way and it makes me feel like a bitter oldfag.

>>9173183
XD le 2010 sweet meme am I rite?

everything past then is shit! XDXDo

>>9172960
no, they're not

>>9173187
That's you. I think they are irritating.
The whole debate is annoying because people need to voice how badly they dislike things.
And don't get it twisted. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying don't try to speak for everyone when two people already don't share your thoughts.

>>9173100
If you want more OC, make it. That's a rule you know.

>>9173172
Their FB page.

>>9173183
2014. That year I bought like everything. My most beloved pieces are from that year. Melty Ribbon Chocolate, Cameo Window, Mercator, Lucky Key, Loyal Rosette, Celestial (to name a few) I enjoyed autumn of 2015 as well. Honestly this year has been lackluster in comparison.

>>9171483
This piece reads so cheap to me, I know that it's probably nice quality in reality but right now all I can thing of is bad redxblack ita coordinaates

Did half this thread sit on the wrong side of their petticoat or what

Infanta halloween sets

Infanta embroidery Cinderella pre order

Available in wine, navy, black and green with silver/gold accents

>>9173335
I've been seeing a lot of those half blouses lately. Can anyone who has one say how they are? I kind of want this one but I'm worried it would ride up because I don't really have boobs (28C)

Another pic of halloween print

>>9173260
Same. I love my Celestial and CDC to death.

>>9173353
wow this looks like shite

Metamorphose Temps De Fille Disney/Pixar Collab

Nostalgic Matryoshoka Doll also coming out

>>9173379
This looks like something off Etsy.

>>9173379
Once again meta shits out a fucking dumpster fire of a dress.

>>9173379
This jokey image is cuter

>>9173352
I have a bunch from Little Dipper. I like them a lot and they're good for summer. I haven't had any ride up on me since the bottom elastic is pretty sturdy (at least with mine). It should probably fit you snuggly enough to not ride up so long as you get the right size without it being too big as a min.

>>9171468
The bag matches perfectly with Chess Chocolate, I'm hoping in lieu of >>9171472, which I surely won't be getting for my birthday, I really hope someone will gib sum bux for that qt baggu.

>>9173379
I like Meta for their basics but THAT...that is seriously Wal Mart fabric tier. So embarrassing.

>>9173379
omg Meta! I just love their wacky decisions. it's really a breath of fresh air.

living for that star trim...might consider this for some sort of space-sailor coord. might be tricky to not look like a scientologist though.

I'd be interested in a skirt more than a full JSK

>>9173379
Goddamnit meta why? Every time you do this you make it harder to defend your good choices. Just release your velveteen already please?

>>9173379
I love this! The claw machine aliens were my favorite when I was little!

>>9173517
You can't be serious about liking this, there's no fucking way.

>>9173588
it's not glamorous it's just fun. I think it's okay to have weird stuff every once in a while. It kinda reminds me of Candy Shower, which I'm shamelessly in love with.

to each their own

>>9173596
>it's fun

It's an eyesore. Literally it looks like they took a kids bedsheet set and made it into a JSK.

>>9173598
>what are opinions?

I see we disagree. there's no monolith here.

>>9172861
>not knowing that they use more than one type of polyester

>>9173607
No, it's not an opinion. There comes a certain point where something is irrefutably garbage and this piece has gone WAY past even that.


This piece makes Bodyline look groundbreaking.

>>9172926
How dumb are you?

>>9173125
I mean, no offence anon but to everyone else you already probably look like you're late/early for Halloween. It wouldn't really matter if you wore a themed print or not.

>>9173588
>>9173598
>>9173614
>i can have an opinion but you can't!!1!!1!

>>9173623
Anon, if you think that is good you need to be checked into a mental hospital or drug rehab.

>>9173614
It does look Easy tier but it's cute. What prints do you like then?

>>9173614
Anon you need to relax.

>>9173596
I like the star trim too anon. I wouldn't wear it, but I can appreciate the details Meta put into it.
The target audience is obviously Pixar/Disney lolitas and normies, not regular lolitas. It's a silly Halloween collab dress, was anyone actually expecting a serious Toy Story dress...?

>>9173631
Nobody was expecting anything good from meta to begin with desu.

>>9173379
>>9173631
Yeah it's cute. Space themes and ayyliens are still in right?
>Trigger Warning: I liked the Monsters Inc. x AP collab too.

>>9173637
I am almost 90% sure that this is a joke and you all are just shitposting that you like it to be ironic

On the subject of Dear Celine, are there any updates on this release? Did they fix the backwards text? I need my creepy fairy tale print fix

>>9173661
I want this as an actual necklace rather than a dress.

>>9173379
I love meta.

>>9173614
>No, it's not an opinion.
I don't like the dress either but you are so fucking wrong about this. This is definitely YOUR opinion.

>>9172787
>>9172322
Fuuuuuck. I need these... I have been waiting on a re-release since I heard that baby offered it to a Chinese Tea Party and this is way too cute of a Halloween print to pass up

>>9172787
No black? that's a bit sad.
But I hope some of you can now finally get their Tea Times!

>>9173637
Wait, are there alien themed dresses I'm unaware of?

>>9173379
I don't care how awful this is, I've been waiting for a Toy Story collab for far too long not to get this and wear the shit out of it, especially when it involves the aliens. Honestly, the only thing I hate about it is the red. I'm kind of considering havin that professionally dealt with.

>>9173400
I want both of those dresses really really bad.

>>9172900
Kuro and shiro literally just means the coord is all black or all white with no other colors present at all. There is no more to it than that and never has been.

>>9173379
Omg I thought those were fish. Finding Dori.

>>9172322
I hate that i love it in this color so much! I want this dress but the other colors ways look washed out to me even the black kind of.
I thought i would never want a god awful orange dress but welp here i am needing it.

>>9174555
Dont worry friend, I like the orange too. It's a soft pumpkiny color so I don't mind it being so prominent. Hoping to pick up the skirt.

>>9173113
I wish it had less pink pastels, but the orange itself with the cream and white is just..hnnnng. I loooove orange and creams.

>>9171482
holy shit, this is gorgeous. How do you order this ? is it in store only or summit be put up online?

>>9174791
Good luck fampai! i'm shooting for that jsk.

>>9171468
Wow, it's pretty unique (even if I hate chocolate prints) and the spoon/form bag clasps are a quirky touch

>>9173344
There's something so delightfully old school about it; dat waist bow and that silhouette print... Tell me the chest bow is detachable and can be worn as a barrette plz

>>9174139
They should have done a Bo Peep dress or a country-style subtly Jesse-themed dress in Cesky Krumlov colours

>>9172937
A far as I' concerned bittersweet is a mixture of gothic and sweet colours and motifs, like a Lolita version of pastel goth/creepycute stuff. I just wish the majority of people into it fuck it up with tacky bullshit like those cheap eyeball bows. APs more gothic stuff like Holy Lantern, specifically styled in a more gothic way, Vampire Requiem and some Royal Princess Alice stuff fits the bill.

>>9175034
>Holy Lantern
>Gothic

Nice meme.

>>9175034
>like a Lolita version of pastel goth/creepycute stuff
I've never seen anyone else say this.

>>9171472
Didn't this just come out???.

>>9171486
Take off the sleeves and this would be cute


Actually tempted to do so now

>>9172912
Is that why you're hilarious?

>>9175039
MIXTURE of gothic and sweet. It's a dress released by an obviously sweet brand that leans toward the gothic side and can be styled in a more gothic way, because obviously we don't have any brands exclusively trying to do this. AP just dips into influences from every substyle (their sweet-classic shit etc)

>>9175043
It just seems the obvious definition to me. Any old sweet print in black isn't a substyle, it's just sweet.

>>9175094
Please don't take the bait gulls.
We've been over this all a dozen times.

>>9175094
>leans gothic

Nice. Meme.

>>9175094
I already said it's a colorway.

>>9175098
Because crosses and black lace and chandeliers and bat wings all over the fucking place is totally as sweet as strawberries and ponies

The other colourways are preferential though

>>9175125
>crosses aren't sweet

So where have you been this entire year? Under a rock?

If you can't see how this is sweet I'm sorry, please inform your legally appointed tard handler that they need to supervise you better.


>the other colorways aren't sweet

Lol k.

HL is a litmus test for newfags. If they think it's gothic they are for sure new.

>>9175097
Thissss holy crap.

>>9175133
>OMG STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM MINE! IF YOU DO YOU'RE NEW!

>>9175125
>black lace and chandeliers

Yeah totally not sweet either!

>>9175137
But holy lantern being sweet isn't an opinion. Sure it can be coorded as sweet-gothic but you can't ever take the sweet out of it.

At this point I'm wondering if I'm on this board too much. It's always the same debate. If it isn't >>9175034
>>9175094
It's fucking wigs.

>>9175133
I've been in this since 2004 and literally never said it wasn't sweet, but it had elements of both. Sure slapping crosses on things doesn't immediately make it gothic, which is why I'm so confused as to why AP seem to be addicted to this, but at least on this dress it actually makes some sense

>>9175142
Again, I'm not saying it's not sweet. It's sweet as fuck, but it lends itself to being styled in a more gothic way. The point is that I'm not saying it's totally a gawfick dress, or any random strawberry print sweet dress that happens to be black, it's a dress that gives off both gothic and sweet vibes and I wish this was a properly done substyle. I'm sure the hardcore gothic lolitas would rather bittersweet was its own thing rather than seeing cutesy Hello Batty style coords shitting up their Gothic tags instead of pure Moitie.

What really doesn't help is how much gothic has changed. It exists on its own separate plane nowadays when I remember plenty of shiro/kuro coords that could be ambiguously seen as gothic or sweet, even with all the details and bows pointing to sweet. Having said that though, new school gothic that doesn't look like aristo seems largely defined by its print themes rather than construction. Then again most new school seems to lack detail and trim in lieu of print focus.

>>9175194
Not only that but most gulls have the se replies for most things.
Technically nothing is ever "new" here.

>>9175222
>gawfick
I stopped reading.

>>9175222
>I've been in this since 2004
Sure Jan.

Honestly I don't think it's gothic, it can be coorded with gothic pieces along side it sure but I look at HL and see what sweet lolitas wear on Halloween. The piece itself doesn't have anything really "gothic" in the sense of gothic Lolita so much as it does a Halloween costume.

>inb4 someone tries to say anything Halloween related is automatically gothic

>>9175236
As much rage as people might have over it, I'd honestly call things like HL or Horror Garden "spooky sweet". They're definitely sweet but kinda have a "spooky" edge to them that gets confused for gothic. Not that it's a legitimate substyle, but that's just how I think of them. Probably applies to things like Guilty Meltin' Sweets Town as well.

>>9175275
>spooky sweet
I don't know how to feel about that but I really enjoy creepy cute stuff but despise the term spooky. (mostly because the group of people using the term started that spoopy shit and that's just as annoying and pretty much ruined it for me)

I think the dresses can go either way. There isn't a black and white answer to this, they're just versatile pieces which is maybe why they're so popular. You can do either or both.

>>9175139
That blue colorway is SUCH A pretty teal color. Holy shit.

>>9175228
...Except for you! You must be new! How new are you?!?
>sage for ugh

I really wish they were re-releasing sweet grave instead

>>9175373
>There isn't a black and white answer to this

Yes there is. They're both sweet.

>>9172591

Oh shi-
Eh, I never minded the term and it was in common use for a while. Common enough that debate around it took off, at least. I don't understand the hatred of it beyond the belief that it's redundant. But this thread isn't for that can of worms.

>>9175622
I see now that this thread is apparently for that can of worms.

FFS.

>>9173187
Diff anon, yes they are. People have been using it for year, just accept it.

>>9171468
This straight up looks like a taobao print.

>>9175533
My fucking dream dress

>>9175531
This kinda reminds me of Melty Chocolate.

>>9175622

If you're really curious about the origin of the hatred for bittersweet:

Years ago some Western lolita made up this name. I kid you not. The term was not in use before this.

A lolita made this wordy post on livejournal proposing that we create a new substyle called bittersweet, that was basically sweet prints in black colourway, because black is dark or gothic or something. Keep in mind this was way, way before Holy Lantern, way before tumblr and spoopy or spooky-cute, probably before creepy cute. I remember she posted example pics with her post, basically sweet prints in black colourway. No batwings, no eyeballs.

Some lolitas took to the idea (which is why daily_lolita has a tag for bittersweet), but others flipped their shit, because when you boil it down this does look like some special snowflake wants to "create" a new substyle by renaming a colourway of sweet lolita, at the same time trying to say she's different from all the other sweet lolitas so she gets her own special label. Remember, this being before creepy cute, etc. There was nothing more to bittersweet than just sweet print on black background.

Next it gets discussed on cgl, where the haters came out and bash the thing even further to death every time it's mentioned. With cgl being all anon, I guess every anon who likes bittersweet either gets mistaken for the original girl who posted the original suggestion, or just gets shat on anyway because they really disliked the idea. Though by now I'm no longer sure if the ones shitting on bittersweet are still the original oldfags who hated the idea originally, trolling, or memeing.

And now you know the history.

Honestly though every name for sweet-gothic seems problematic, I don't know if we'll ever find a good name.

>>9175820
Wouldn't it be easier to just call it gothic-sweet and get it over with? I'd imagine sweet-gothic to be something more like Chocolate Addiction, but that's just my autism acting up.

>>9175825
I think that makes sense. We already call gothic x classic "Dark Classic" and sweet x classic doesn't have a name but is sort of a thing with elaborate classic dresses in pastel colors. Pic related as an example.

>>9175825
No. Milky Planet in black is one of the dresses that get called bittersweet and it's not gothic at all.

>>9175838
"Dark classic" is not a thing. And that OP is not at all classic. You are not qualified to give any input.

>>9175825

Last time I saw "sweet-gothic" in a thread some anons came along half a day later and bitched that out too. I gotta call it something, though.


>>9175842

Sorry, didn't make this clear. While most of >>9175820 explains why the tern "bittersweet" gets kneejerk hater reactions, the last paragraph is lamenting that we can't seem to find a good name for hybrid sweet-gothic/Halloween sweet, since bittersweet gets that kind of reaction and every other name apparently gets bitched at, too.

>>9175820
That's actually really interesting. Thank you. :)

>>9175531
>no pink x brown colorway
>no chocolate brown colorway
brb fampai omw to kill myself

>>9175604
You're fucking retarded if you think fashion can always be categorized in only one style.
Are you one of those people who dresses in """bittersweet"""?

>>9175125
Are you retarded? The cut and lace show it's sweet. Anyone who thinks this is gothic doesn't know what gothic is

>>9176354
You know you and people like you are the reason gothic lolita as a style is dead, right? Bitching about what can and can't be gothic, get over yourself.

>>9176407
>gothic lolita as a style is dead

Man, this is some fresh bait right here

>>9175531
My need for the skirt in Ivory or Red is strong. I'm dying for that cute apron cut! <3

i really dig understated sweet pieces and this looks beautiful
http://www.risurose.com/product/lucky-star-dreamland-preorder-deposit/

>>9176100
I really hope you are trolling. Otherwise I feel sorry for your stupidity. And how does saying Holy Lantern is not gothic make one like tacky trash? Lol.

>>9176925
That looks cheap and ugly

>>9176925
Sorry anon, but this looks like babby's first handmade lolita dress with nursery room fabric.

>>9177145

>>9177146

>>9173637
Sometimes I feel AP is just trolling us though.

>>9177253
i don't even care if you're trolling, i'd totally buy this.

>>9177253
itd go with those meta socks

>>9177145
FLDS-kei

>>9177265
Looks like it's Agent Provocateur

Star's Rainbow decided to do a Zootopia dress.

>>9177145
Is there any links to this?

>>9177336
google is your friend

>>9177253
That isn't even Angelic Pretty. This doesn't even belong in this thread.

>>9177428
What is a joke anon

>>9177319
The collar is really cute. Hate everything else though

>>9177319
Oh no it's cute. The print is meh for me (and the stripes look kind of wonky) but that bunny trim is so adorable.

>>9175820
Bittersweet, "spooky cute", pastel goth, etc. No matter what form it takes, it's as insufferable as the last.

>>9173616
Right? I hope that post was a joke they're on plates for fucks sake, it's supposed to be like a place setting picture... oh my god...

>>9177266
What socks?

>>9177253
friendly reminder this dumb thing was $500.

>>9177884

I'm just glad we're done with creepy cute, man. At least AP and AatP Halloween dresses are decently made.


>>9177944

Metamorphose's Magic Crayon OTKs.

The print is actually really cute, I promise. The socks, however....

>>9178256
These look like they were made to go with those triple dick accessories from AP.

>>9178259

Here's the skirt that goes with the socks from >>9178256

>>9172322
I don't like how the print looks with most of these colors and the fabric I am not too thrilled about. I'm glad I got the AatP Halloween print and didn't save up for this one. You all can have this print. Count me out of this party.

>>9178330
Lavender chocolate rosette? Disgusting.

>>9177319
NEED

>>9176925
Oh anon, please don't buy that.

To Alice released few new pieces.

>>9178515

>>9178516

>>9178516

>>9178521

>>9173670
I could make something like that.

>>9173661
>skeletiano route

Fuck you, whoever else is crashing ap USA

>>9178719
Yea I've been trying since 1:58 and no fucking luck. I'm at work too.

>>9178725
Yeah I started on my lunch break and have had 0 productivity since 12, can't even log in.

Poor one out for my dreams of ivory guls. Thought it would go quickly because it was not that popular and still mostly in stock.

>>9178330
Didn't realize this was a MTO. I wonder if I can order it while I'm in Japan and send it to my tenso address.

>>9178753
Is this a MTO but you can only order it in the Tokyo store?

>>9178719
I don't understand why the fuck this is still happening. I don't even want anything from AR but they have something else I want. What the fuck?

>>9178330
I literally just bought chocolate rosette a few days ago. Fml

>>9178757
Seems so. You'd have to get an SS. It'll be mailed out in January.

>>9178330
praise the lords I knew it would come

now to decide between red and navy

have they announced the dates for the MTO or when it ends?

>>9178804
Yep, check the website.
>http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/chocolate_rosette2016/index_fno.htm
It's open September 10-15.

>>9178719
>now everything is finally loading
>everything I wanted is sold out
fuck it I'm blowing all my money on gunpla

>>9178823
The only things that sold out are the ivory jsks/skirt and you should have known they would with what happened on the JP release??

>>9178828
>you should have known you would not be able to load the page and get what you wanted because it sold out in JP
???
K anon.

>>9178823
Not sure why you were having trouble anon. It was loading for me in the midwest. Maybe it's your ISP.

>>9178839
Is this your first mildly popular AP release? Because yes, you should have known.

>>9178757
No, tokyo store just has it first. Online and other stores reservations will be later.

>>9178330
Am I reading right that it's only able to be reserved at the Tokyo store?

>>9178750
Feel like I've seen the bottom dress released about 10 times in a few months now. Way to kill a nice design AP. And wtf, cross on this?

>>9179082
No, you're not. It clearly says 先行予約which means it's out first there but will be out everywhere else on a later date.

>>9178648
bless you anon

>>9179166
I updated AP's logo

>>9179166
Perhaps they mean "Angry Princess Dress"?

>>9179228
I'd wear the fuck out of an angry princess

>>9179230
>my husband already does this

>>9178515
God, I wish To Alice and Chess Story had an English storefront.

>>9179237
I don't think I want to know what this means

>>9178940
source?

Does anyone know if Elpress L still has dresses available after reservation?

>>9179394
Usually not until the payment period is over and there are unpaid leftovers. Doesn't hurt to email inquire, though.

>>9171863
It looks just like it beyond the colours. oh well

>>9179439

Do they still make the custom afterwards or no? Interested in a dress but I missed the reservation period by a month

Anyone else feel like these new items are hinting at a certain rerelease?

>>9179612
GOD I HOPE SO

Though in trying to think that if they add colors which ones would they be? And do you think they'll change the cuts at all. The JSK should stay they same but I wouldn't mind the OP changing.

>>9179612
God I hope so. Although I never realised how truly basic the Cinema Doll accessories were until now, wow.

>>9179614
>>9179618
>>9179620
>>9179621


I hated the previews for this dress but I actually dont hate it? Its not something I'm going to buy but it isnt as bad as I thought. The ivory is probably my favorite since I dont really dig jewel tones in lolita. Reminds me of older chocolate prints like Chess Chocolate and Melty Chocolate.

>>9179654
The giant white plates/doilies print really messes up the balance for the other colors, but since they blend in with the ivory it's probably the best colorway.

I will skip this for the Chocolate Rosette MTO instead.

>>9179654
Same, I didn't like it at first either but seeing the ivory colorway makes me kind of want it but I'm not dying to get one. I like how the ivory makes it look less ridiculously busy. I wonder how much better it looks in person.

>>9178530
Oh? Drop me your connect.
>mfw until I get a response

Fuck, with all these MTOs and rereleases AP fucks up the resale value of my dresses.

>>9178648
fucking nice

>>9179612
Please. But I hope they do it when I have money to spend, not right now.

>>9179774

Good.

>>9179618 is the best out of all cuts, the print composition/colour/whatever looks so un-AP, the lace and pleats on the blue skirt and JSK are strangely bright.

And I hate all white panels and apron with a passion.
/rant

>>9178753
So many orders they closed the MTO and rescheduled delivery to March.
Ha.
>http://yaplog.jp/ap-tokyo/archive/10701

Preview of this years JM book print from the upcoming winter collection.

>>9181038
Oh fuck me. I need this and I don't even into otome. Fuck.

>>9181038
>>9181073
Fuck me too, I absolutely love this.

>>9181135
It's so much nicer than British library too. Like the best of IW and Jetj's library prints. Is JM worth the price?

Let's be fucked together anon.

>>9181137
Well, by my standards it is worth the price. Though there have been several discussion how old JM was better quality than the newer releases. I own couple JSKs, I find the quality of everything (sewing, fabric, details, durability) satisfying. I like the wearability of JM.

... but I've always bought second hand JM. I've never had to deal with direct ordering. I just love that dress already a bit too much.

>>9181137
It's really a hit or miss for me. It's always somehwat depending on the season, what fabric they used and if the piece has lining or not. Sometimes the quality of sewing is a bit questionable (where you to resew buttons and hems after a while, but that seems to be a general issue with brands I guess), so in the end it depends on how much you are willing to spend.

Just a small general tip: avoid the cutsew dresses. They will only last you for a couple of seasons until the fabric gets thin and worn out and the seams don't hold up as well as on other fabrics.

>>9181170
Thanks for the tips! I've gathered that all the brands have slipped in quality over the years, which is sad. I only consider buying this new because in my experience this is the type of JM that goes up in price like the stamp dress or British Library.

Maybe I should see if the JM shop downtown has a sample yet. Seeing it in person would be excellent.

>>9181038
I want this so much but I just can't justify dropping $400-500 on a dress this simple.

The new Lief x Physical Drop collab print "Nostelgic Biscuit".

Reminder that Physical Drop is the brand run by Meta's old designer and does it ever show. Thought Meta fans would enjoy this.

Anyone manage to get red or gray version of Rosy on BtSSB NYC today? The purple is still up of course.

>>9181762
If this had white rick rack somewhere on it I wouldn't believe you that it was Leif.

>>9173379
INCREDIBLY excited for this. you have no idea

>>9172867
Are you retarded?

>>9180988
>there was some drama that happened xD; some Chinese girl tried to order over $100,000 worth of items and all of her credit cards didn't work. Anyone who didn't pay for their orders that day, are out of luck until they open it up again at a later date.

And you wonder why Baby was so rude to the Chinese Lolita?

>>9173661
Woah what is this?

>>9179612
I want to believe, I really do.

>>9181038
UGGHHHH kill me.
and I finally was able to get fairy tale

>>9181781
I snatched the red version, I'm so incredibly happy! Thanks to the anon who told me not to give up hope and check the btssb sites religiously, which I did.
I refreshed the page a few times after I bought mine and I think the grey version was still up half an our later? When did you try to order? Maybe Btssb SF will also get some JSKs, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!

>>9181762

I really enjoy the cut of this dress

>>9182162
They were still taking orders after that, but the orders will arrive in March not Dec/Jan.

>>9181781
I'm still pissed at them, they refused to contact japan for stock availabilty. I wanted to support our USA stores but ended up contacting a tokyo shopping service after my initial denial. The stores all had plenty of stock too. I no longer care to support the NYC store.

>>9182298
Congrats! I wanted red and knew they were putting stuff up around 1 EST but I was thirty minutes too late :(. Maybe someday lol

>>9179612

Someone just ripped this photo straight from cgl to lolita updates. I'm the OP and I can tell because I shittly edited them all together, thats why its overlapping the striped background image haha.

>>9182582
Yeah, I was F5-ing pretty hard, so it was in my cart at 01:01 pm. I have no idea how much stock they had, I only know that red was still in stock after I checked out.

As far as I know, not everybody got their dresses, yet, so maybe somebody decides it's not for them and you get another chance!

Right now I'm hoping that shipping is slow, because custom fees are going to kill me.

Meta's Kingdom of Chess. I wasn't really feeling the Matryoshka series but this looks perfect for autumn.

>>9182784
Out this Friday.

Latest To Alice lolita releases.

>>9184086

>>9184087

>>9184089
>To Alice

>>9182786
Oh this is actually really lovely, The dropping chain is unique.

>>9184090
Is this blouse also from To Alice?

>>9184124
It's part of the set (which includes a vest too) and can be purchased seperate.

>>9182786
>>9182784
First thing I've seen from meta in a long time that doesn't make me want to inject Clorox directly into my veins.

Neverland Lolita (Taobao) just released their new steampunk series.

>>9185785
Anyone going after Magic Amulet?

>>9186055
The thread is in auto sage.