/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

What is the most flattering bodice shape for large busts?

Are there any nice dresses with a houndstooth pattern? I know there is a recent AP print with a hideous color combination and border print (whip collection?) and an older one with milky-chan. But I'm looking for something in black or red.

>>9080649
>>>/help thread/
>>>/fashion basics general/

>>9080688
AP and Meta have done a fair amount of houndstooth stuff over the years, Baby has some too but they're mostly outerwear I think.

>>9080743
I've already looked into lolibrary and most of the stuff are indead coats and ponchos. The dresses mostly have a really small pattern, they look almost grey-ish. I'd rather have a bigger, more visible pattern. I'm already looking into coords of the pink and lavender whip collection, maybe you can coord them right. It's a shame the black colorway uses birghtly red accents.

>>9080649
Probably a princess seamed bodice, cut specifically for large busts. But you're not going to find that buying brand.

>>9080688

I have BTSSB's Houndstooth Scallop JSK in brown and it's really pretty in person.

I don't know where to ask because we don't have an item identification thread so I'll ask here. I bought this headbow secondhand as part of a set of headwear and it looks like it belongs to some print series. Does anyone recognize it? I do know it's Angelic Pretty

>>9080828
lurk more

>>9080828
It belongs to the Happy Garden print

>>9080844
Thank you so much!

Thoughts about this Mexican lolita, i really like the costume:

http://imgur.com/gallery/RyKTc

>>9080948
>costume

>>9080950
Sorry, i went full retard.

>>9080948
nice selfpost

Meta LP review. Look at that gorgeous bow, some lucky lolita will be able to buy it off me at an amazing price. Not sure how I feel about the blouse and skirt. I wanted a shortsleeved blouse with shirring, this one is super delicate and unshirred

>>9081017
What's the max bust on that blouse?

I made a purchase on Innocent World for the first time on June 29, and have not received the invoice - is it normal to wait a bit before receiving this or should I contact them? I just don't want to contact them if it is normal to wait

>>9081119
90cm

>>9081270
IW took about three weeks to invoice me when I got a LP last year

>>9081295
Thanks anon

>>9081017
Those tights are ugly as sin and look like something you could buy at target around Christmas time

any tips on hanging a jsk with the elastic straps? I've been keeping mine on my dress form because I don't want to stretch them out but I can't keep it like that forever as its really inconvenient! any other storing tips in general appreciated as well, I want to keep my beloved dresses in as best condition as possible.

>>9081493
Get trouser hangers and clip them onto the bodice instead of the straps. Or fold them and store them in a dresser.

Does anyone have experience with IW's corset JSK cuts? The L is a better fit for me lengthwise, but my bust/waist measurements are better suited for the M. If I get the L and tie the lacing back, will it look scrunched up and weird? Or should I just suck it up and get the M with an underskirt?

>>9081493
Not the clip style pants hangers but the ones that have a bar on the bottom. Either plastic or wooden, i prefer plastic because the wood ones are sometimes rough

>>9081389
I'm not crazy about the print but they are extremely nice quality. Thick, good quality printing and glitter. Nowhere near the shitty print quality of Walmart tights. I only buy solids there, the printed ones look so bad. Even the polka dots are uneven and shitty looking
>>9081521
I bought one because of the length even though I'm a M in IW also, and I could've worn it had the print suited me because of the corset lacing. The quality of the lacing is much better than baby, it is actually functional if you need it to be.

>>9081521
Time for show and tell.

Right picture, How I who am a L wears it with the lacing not at all used other then decoration.
Left picture, Using the lacing since the doll is way smaller then me.

Travel question: I am visiting Paris from the US (attending the AP tea party next week). Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Parisian comm? I've tried joining their FB group, but no luck (approval pending for like a month). Would love to meet some folks/make some friends while I'm around.

>>9081551
Seconding the bar-type clips over the little pincher clips. The pincher clips unless well padded risk putting indents into the material and screwing things up. I personally prefer wood though.

a question of my own: I'm going on an extended vacation soon, meaning I'm going to be spending nearly a month away from my closet. The problem is is that I currently live in an insanely humid climate and I'll be away during the peak of this. What I'm worried about is my dresses molding while I'm on vacation. I was already considering packing my closet with silica gel, but anyone with more experience with tropical climates have anything to add? I'm Midwestern, mold isn't a big deal for us so this is unknown territory for me.

>>9081648
Try to join the Lolita Garden facebook group. That's where the french comm is.

>>9081521
I have one in M (agatte) and another in L (strawberry tarte). I fit comfortably under the mesurements of the M, but it can get snug sometimes if I'm bloated. Make sure you are a few cm under the mesurements.
The L size needs to be laced in a lot, but it still looks good, the lacing is functional and made to be used. It does not look scrunched up.

>>9081017
Bought a Meta LP once, never again. Every item I got was either ugly as sin or poorly constructed.

>>9081762
So just like everything else from meta?

How would I balance lolita/otome and a minimalist wardrobe? I'm trying to downsize my clothes a lot while retaining my aesthetic.

>>9081774
Use the same principles you use for paring down the rest of your wardrobe. If you don't love a piece, let it go. You can also try to focus on building a capsule lolita/otome wardrobe with a consistent colour palette and components you can easily mix together.

As with most minimal wardrobes, you would want to focus on getting a smaller number of high quality pieces and only adding things to your collection that fit well and suit the accessories or main pieces you already own. Some people also set a limit on the number of pieces they own and commit to selling a piece if they bring a new one into their collection.

>>9081808
This is excellent advice, anon, thank you. I'm not the anon you're responding to but someone else who's taking a similar approach with my wardrobe. Just bid on a high priority wish list item and plan to sell a dress to balance it out.

>>9081713
I'm not sure if they have in your country but these
https://www.amazon.co.jp/ドライペット-除湿剤-クローゼット用-120g×2個入/dp/B001OGJV0Y
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B0093W80QW/ref=pd_aw_sim_121_of_7?ie=UTF8&dpID=51jJ-fCKexL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_SL500_SR100%2C80_&psc=1&refRID=ZZVEQ7BBCZT7PVA585ZZ
are godsends
First is sheets with packs of silica? beads that you can hang in your closet, and second are plastic cups with more silica beads? that suck up the water and it ends up in the bottom of the cup

>>9080688
Hard to find, but AP also made this one. It's actual woven houndstooth too, no printed.

>>9081764
To be honest, I've only owned one item from them prior to that, a high waisted chiffon skirt, which was absolutely gorgeous. Their designs can be.. intriguing but I agree for the most part something looks of.

Has anyone else received their Aquarium Carnival yet?? I'd like to know if others have quality issues like the previous anon

Where were you when puppet circus sold for only 11000 yen?

>>9081892
Ha anon those were what I was thinking of when I said "pack my closet with sillica beads"!! I'm Japan based so I went to my local daiso and snagged one of the tub ones to stick in my closet for now, see how that works because 100% humidity is no joke. I keep my closet open too so air circulates (no direct sunlight so no fading).

I'm absolutely terrified of mold on my dresses. the folds of the material are the perfect place for nasty to collect.

>>9081983

That says zero bids, buddy.

>>9080985
I doubt that's her. She modeled for that brand. She doesn't look like the kind of girl that'd browse here - have you seen the self post thread before?

>>9081983
*almost sold for only 11000 yen
That was my bid. The seller canceled the auction one minute before it ended.

anyone ever have lolita nightmares? I had a dream where I was preparing to go to a meet. I had a really coord planned, but when I got there I realized I was only in the JSK without socks or a blouse
it was like one of those dreams where you go to school naked

anyone now if there are any lolita stores in Boston? I'm visiting next month

>>9082012
My heart goes out to you, anon, that sucks!

>>9082012
ew. i wouldnt even buy that for 10,000 yen
not a newfag, either.

>>9082111

Kind of agree. Puppet Circus is so old now and it was so popular. I feel like all the ones out there looks pretty dingy. I wouldnt care either way if they re-released it but if they did at least there would be fresh looking ones in the market.

I fell away from Lolita for the last couple of years and I'm interested in getting back into it, but I've found that most of my news sources are now outdated. Is there a place seagulls recommend to get updates and news? Lolita updates on facebook seems slower than it used to be.

>>9082051
Thanks, I appreciate that. I mean, I kind of understand the seller (considering she tried to sell it for 250000 yen before) but it's still shady to act like that. Pink is the most unpopular color after all.

>>9082040
There aren't any lolita stores in Boston. The closest you can get is Porter Square.

where are those secrets?

>>9082497
in a different timezone probably

Seriously, what the fuck is people's obsession with Alice in Wonderland?
It's not a particularly good movie.
It doesn't make for good prints unless you are going for a weekend in las vegas.
The main character's design is boring as fuck.
The new movies are terrible and blatantly cash grabs.
WHAT IS THE OBSESSION

>>9082564
Chill anon.
I'M a huge fan of everything Alice related, but I agree they are overdoing it with all these collabs. Sadly Alice's design is always associated with lolita, it's basically a Disney lolita, so they always combine it. Even normies always make that connection.

>>9082564
How fucking new are you to Lolita or any gothic related fashion?

>>9082564

>>9082040
There ain't shit here anon. Like the other anon mentioned there's some Japanese shops called "The Shops at Porter sq" or something along those lines but there's no lolita shops here. The only shops on the east coast are in NYC. We do have a comm though, you should join the group and we could have a meet for ya.

Secrets are up

>>9081986
Glad to be of help! When I go back for summer, I buy loads of each, like 20 of the cup-type and same of the sheets, and basically cover my apartment with them.
The only other options really are leaving your aircon on 'dry' function or bathroom fan on, but I'm sure the electric bill would be higher than the cost of Drypet.

>>9081017
>that fucking blouse
>I have a luckypack from 2011 that came with that same blouse
How many of those hideous things did you make meta

>>9080948
Opinions about this?

>>9082564
I'm a fan of the book, personally.

>insert summer pic here

I just went through the Go! Go! Lolita-chan part of meta's website and it made me fall in love with the brand all over again.
>Monopolize the world!!! Lolita Rulez!!
Sometimes they are just so dorky it's adorable. But it made me worry about their future. Do you think they'll continue to play in btssb/aatp, AP's and IW's league or do you think they'll follow moitie's and mary magdalene's path?

>>9082894
Can you explain your categorizing of the brands more?

I know other boards do tier lists, has /cgl/ ever done that with brands? How much has that list changed over time?

>>9082905
I think anon means in terms of popularity, BABY/AatP, AP and IW are doing well while Moitie and MM are struggling or nearly disappeared. I do hope Meta doesn't fade into oblivion, I like them.

>>9082934
I think Meta is popular, it just doesn't create fads and bloodbaths over certain pieces like AP and Baby do.
They still sell out of a lot of reserve items and they have a lot of pieces with a sort of timeless old-school look that people like.

>>9082988
I love meta. Hope they never go away.

>>9083033
My first brand dress was from Meta so I have special feelings for them.

>>9082988
Have you been paying attention? Their new kimono prints or twinkle sky were all bloodbaths. Meta has a very loyal fanbase and can make hype pretty well. They're not in league with AP but I think they're coming close to BTSSB desu.

>>9082144
LU has gotten an influx of taobao updates that if you see a Chinese name in the notification, it's probably a shitty taobao brand. The mods are strict in when there's a preview months in advance, thing will have to stay in that thread even when it's released way later

>>9081648
PM one of the mods in the comm, they probably have a rule in there somewhere if your fb profile pic doesn't scream lolita enough, they might put you on the backburner

>>9081017
First dibs on skirt if you don't want it? It's one of my fave prints, email me if you plan on selling

>>9082894
I think Meta will always be around honestly. They have a dedicated fanbase (mainly in Japan these days), and they've got something for everyone. Their summer sailor series is a consistent hit, and so is their winter velveteen series. They also have a habit of having dark horse hits; you won't hear anything about a meta release for ages then all the sudden everyone is going nuts, or something will be released and a year later everyone wants it. Meta also has a lot of love among oldfags.

tl;dr: People have intense feelings for meta (one way or another) and they release enough variation to be interesting.

Moitie in contrast is a study in a brand lacking adaptability. They cultivated the image of an elite brand with limited releases and limited sizing, along with an extremely high price tag but with quality to match. This worked for them in the late 90s/early '00s when Visual Kei was a huge thing, Mana himself was popular, and Gothic was the dominating lolita style. But when the winds changed, sweet rose to become the dominating substyle, and Visual Kei itself dramatically declined in popularity Moitie failed to adapt. They don't churn out releases like AP, Baby, or Meta, all of which offer almost monthly releases, while Moitie is more seasonal. Their prices are still high, while the quality has declined, and they aren't quite the status symbol they used to be. They've also been unable to adapt to thematic trends, and their occasional style changes have alienated some of the people that still love gothic (their photoshop disasters come to mind) Gothic has been in a ~10 year slump, and Moitie is feeling that badly.

Sorry if this is a bit incomprehensible, I'm rambling.

>>9082934
>>9082988
>struggling or nearly disappeared
>doesn't create fads or bloodbaths
Really? Have you payed attention this year at all? Meta is doing better than it has been in a long time. It's having plenty of bloodbaths that could compete lately with AP.
With AP's lackluster releases this year, Meta has been really outshining them with their classic creativity and not shamelessly remixing older designs and concepts like AP is doing.

>>9083242
You know, you summed up perfectly what I think a lot of people feel about Moitie now. There's a difference between oldschool and being completely out of touch and also outdated in your design, approach, and concepts.

Prints took lolita by storm and they really, really failed to adapt to this well. All their prints have been more miss than hit and taobao has sadly picked up the slack where the Japanese brands have failed in terms of interesting gothic designs.

MmM could've easily been the Japanese gothic brand to keep gothic going strong and steady. Hell, they still don't have any competition in terms of high-end Japanese brands and act like they can barely compete.

>>9083284
But meta is still tacky and vomit enducing? I'd take lack luster over my loosing my lunch any day

for any of you guys interested akatako is having a burst summer sale and has some lolita tights for half price go check it out~
(I recently just got the masked girl tights)

http://www.akatako.net/sale?page=2

>>9083309
I dislike Meta as much as the next person, but can we please not have this argument again?

>>9083301
Outdated is a word I would agree on. I think that the popularity of prints contributed to their decline, but moreso their deviations from the prints and style people loved. Their architecture screen prints are amazing; bold and deceptively simple looking. Their photoshop disasters though sent people flying away in droves - the only acceptable print from that period was their Stained Glass.

Another problem is the cuts; they're too simple and plain even in the solids. Don't get me wrong, I don't want OTT rufflemonsters from Moitie because I love their simplicity, but a couple extra ruffles on prints or some new interesting cuts wouldn't hurt. They've tried to go back to their old style a bit lately, I think I'd really enjoy a new Moitie with their old style screenprints but updated cuts.

I agree about Taobao picking up the slack on prints for gothic (although I feel like a lot of them edge into classic sometimes). Actually Taobao is kinda what's keeping gothic going; Moitie has been meh, Boz is hard to get (and leans more boystyle), and AatP has fallen harder than Moitie. But brands like Dark Box, Ecailles de Lune, Fox Feathers, and Knight Night all seem to be releasing gothic stuff that at least looks good (I own none of those brands personally although the prints appeal)

It's sad because I remember when I first found lolita Moitie was one of my first loves.

Not many lolitas seem to wear much KL or Neverland either, why do you think that is?

>>9083301
That makes me really sad, I would love to support moitie, but I agree. I don't want to pay moitie prices for solids. It's a shame because naoto and the like are so fucking tacky, I would throw money at a nice, new moitie print in my size

>>9083346
Hahahahahaha KL's material looks like absolute trash in worn photos. I would never buy that. Even the prints that were hyped up so much look horrible worn unless the lighting is just right. Not to mention the prints are so busy and most people coordinate them poorly

>>9083346
Neverland is SouffleSong rebranded, which had a couple negative reviews. But finding people wearing Neverland isn't too hard, particularly that one painting dress.

KL honestly hasn't released anything good since Mozarabic Chant in my opinion, except the Phantom of the Opera blouses. They've all been rather garish to me. Their prices have skyrocketed as well, and they're harder to get a hold of than pretty much every other brand because they only take overseas orders through Clobba, who marks them up further. All that plus their insanely long reservation times make people take their money elsewhere.

>>9083357
I agree with the coordination being pretty bad usually, but MC at least has some fantastic material. No comment on their newer stuff.

>>9083346
For Krad I think it's in part its inaccessibility and its brand-tier price point (say what you want about Krad Lanrete's quality/design, it still doesn't hold the same amount of prestige that brand does).

>>9083346
Their earlier prints were much nicer, but after their designer left it's all gone downhill. Mozarabic Chant is so well put together, and the material is wonderful. However after Phantom of the Opera their prices skyrocketed, buying procedure got complicated, and quality degraded.

Neverland is just shit, shit designs, shit quality. In China only babby's first rorita or poor cosplayers and soft sisters really buy them.

>>9083346
Neverland releases stuff too quickly, prefer an indie brand that releases a quality item every 1-3 months, not 1-3x per month. They also don't have a cohesive theme, bumping between sweet and classic and always having low quality shiny fabric

>>9083357
>>9083384
>>9083383
>>9083404
>>9083423
Okay right. I hadn't really seen any worn photos (or noticed probably) KL dresses. I saw a KL and Neverland dress posted in the dream dress thread and realised how little I saw of them compared to other indie brands.

Upon doing a quick search on LU, I saw that there are quite a few bad reviews on KL and how is etsy page was scamworthy in the time it took for people to get their pieces

>>9083284
Just to clarify, I'm >>9082934 and when I said
>struggling or nearly disappeared
I was talking about Moitie and MM, not Meta.

>>9083346
Some of us still never jumped on the indie bandwagon. I'd really rather have Japanese brand. Only 1-2 indie mass market pieces have ever even caught my attention much and I'm just not out to find bargain lolita from a Chinese company. I might buy a few blouses or an underskirt from taobao this year but I'll stick to main pieces and accessories from the major brands or have something custom made.

I've been thinking. Is lolita pretentious?
The clothes is very pretty, but it's so out there compared to every day things. You can find simpler clothes that carry almost the same aesthetic, but people go all out and wear something "weird" anyway.
I dress this way because it makes me feel pretty, but what would looking pretty matter if there was nobody to see you look pretty?

that non-print AP that was just released is real cute. jelly something. i'd like to get it but the yen is real strong right now.

>>9083502
What are simpler clothes with the same aesthetic? I dress mostly in oldschool, along with modern sweet-classic prints. I've never, even seen anything that comes close to the aesthetic of my main pieces beside lolita.

>>9083502
lolita is what you want it to be. if other people seeing you dressed up is what makes you happy, then so be it, but for me i just love the details and the process of putting coords together
i don't wear my lolita out of the house very often, but just having it around makes me happy

>>9083345
I wish I had started lolita earlier. Moitie was so great. i would really like to have more gothic in my wardrobe but I pretty much have to stick to atelier pierrot (they've yet to do me wrong) or taobao indie brands. Moitie prints that I actually like hardly come up for sale anymore.

So, thinking of really getting into this at last. Thing is, as a male, I'm pretty tall, and while passable, I don't think shorter, cuter dresses will work well on me, so I want to try something long and elegant, something to complement my height of 6'2".

I like the basic shape of pic related, but I gotta have more frills and/or lace to it, or something. Not a fan of prints, and my favorite colors for dresses are black or brown as a base, with whites or not-too-hot pinks in the details. As someone who knows nothing about how to look for this stuff, or where to purchase, would any seasoned lolitas know of any possible examples of what I'm looking for, or where to look to buy?

I realize I'm probably being vague, so I'll see if I can sketch something up. In general, though, I want something with plenty of frills and ruffles (which seems to be the norm anyway), but with a shape and length a lot like this.

In advance, thank you for bearing with me.

>>9083586
>>9070640

>>9083586
You'd have to have it custom made.

>>9083346
I've purchased a few dresses from
Neverland, quality was fine for the price I paid. But their cuts are way too short. Could barely fit a petti and had it falling a whole inch above my knee. And I'm 5'2.

Can't speak for KL.

>>9083586
I mean length-wise it sounds like maybe you'd be interested in EGA/aristocrat? Lolita dresses - like actual, proper, guideline-fitting lolita dresses - don't typically come in *that* length. I don't think I've ever seen a proper lolita dress that long. The longest ones I've seen are tea-length dresses which are more like calf and ankle length, so maybe those would interest you?

>>9083637
How is that coord help at all? He isn't asking about a specific dress or coord - he's asking if there's any dresses that look like what he wants and he's asking about how to buy stuff.

>>9081976

I'm the anon who bought the kon, just received mine last night.

There's no real problems with mine, no fraying fabric, no loose threads, no out-of-place anything. Can't really say whether the previous anon got unlucky or I got lucky in a sample size of 2 though, I guess.

As for the other details:
- The ribbon lacing is indeed the high quality matte cotton. I've missed it since Sugary Carnival, so I'm very happy about that.
- The peplum colour is indeed different from the usual navy, however on the kon it's just darker, near-black, not dirty or grey. The same fabric is used for the ruffles on the dress itself, I think the kon version does look pretty good with the darker fabric as it helps the details stand out.
- The loops on the peplum are finicky because the waist tie buttons are shaped like sea shells, which makes them finicky, and you use the same button for the waist ties as well. You don't really have to use the loops, but I have to say I quite like that they'll stop the peplum from shifting around.

Overall I actually thought this was one of AP's more worthwhile dresses just in terms of the amount of detailing. The neckline alone has two different lace and a delicate braid, and the straps, peplum, bodice and hem all have different lace (the hem lace is trademark AP style with seashells and AP's initials on it). Just about everything is either trimmed with lace, lace and ruffles or has pearls or bows or something on it.

The print on mine skews a little green, though. Not sure if that's because the background is blue so the yellows look greenish.

>>9081017
Could you say how shiny the skirt is please anon? Is the fabric actually shiny or does it have more of a sheen? The asymmetric jsk has been on my wish list for ages, but I'm having second thoughts now.

Hey gulls, any ideas about hairstyle for chin length blunt bob cut?

Oldschool & gothic

>>9081764
Clearly you've never owned any

For all of you who are saying that Moitie fell behind the times and are in a rut, do you even follow releases? Moitie has changed a lot over the years and set a lot of trends such as chiffon prints, long lengths, gold tones, etc. Some of their prints were lacking but their releases over the past year have been going in a great direction and some colorways still sell out over reservation. Plus they have always been slower to sell out, even Iron Gate took awhile. As for quality, it hasn't declined at all. I own about 150 Moitie items and have had quality issues with only one. I wish that they would start using their softer and more delicate chemical lace though.

Their problem is that they don't release certain items often enough such as basic socks, bags, bloomers, gloves, parasols, etc.

Eyyyy
I'm looking to get this tacky as fuck dress, mainly because it reminds me of Hornblower. I'm however curious if it's a) A knockoff print of a brand dress, and B) If anyone has any experience with the brand and can tell me if it's shit or not. Brand is Doris Night, dress is Age Of Exploration

Anyone else annoyed by the extreme influx of summer n00bs here? I know it happens every year, but this season seems like the bloom is particularly bad - I've seen way more obnoxious tryhards in threads lately or people who obviously haven't been around for very long and don't understand some points of board culture/reference/site rules. Which would be fine, I know everyone is new at some point, but yeah.

>>9083826
Lots of underage kids with nothing to do because summer vacation.

>>9083802
I have one. What ideas are you looking for?

>>9083825
I have it in the burgundy colourway. I got it for the same Hornblower reason (not going to lie).

The gold trim is a bit tacky but can be removed. The fabric is a printed polyester/chiffon and it's fully lined. The fit is pretty generous. Quality wise, it's one of the better finished Taobao dresses I have. The shoulder straps are adjustable and the waist ties are removable.

>>9083832
Right, I acknowledge that it's summer in my post, but I meant that this one seems bad in particular. Idiot underage noobs come every year, I just feel like right now is worse than usual but perhaps it's because I just started checking up on cgl again after visiting infrequently the past couple of months.

>>9083670
Calf and ankle could be fine, too. Looking it up just now, this EGA stuff looks nice, though, maybe it's what I've been looking for. Still, not finding any sites that have a lot to them, either too short or not enough frills, so I'd like suggestions if you have any.

Also, pic related looks absolutely perfect design-wise, but something about its construction looks flimsy or gaudy to me. Am I just seeing things? What do you think of it? Any similar dresses I should look at instead?

>>9083655
Damn, really? How much more does that usually cost?

Does this still belong in lolita general? I don't want to overstay my welcome.

Maybe someone likes those.
http://vvstore.jp/i/vv_000000000099154/

>>9083853
>>9083586

I'll come clean with you. We don't know what you are. Both dresses you posted are more like costumes than lolita. You're pretty much in the wrong thread, you're looking for costumes that you think sort of look somewhat like lolita. Meanwhile no one's answering because they're looking at your photos of costumes and can't figure out if you're trolling, a newb or just lost.

That said, here are the sites you want:

http://www.fanplusfriend.com/
http://www.milky-ange.com/

Both companies make non lolita costumes. Milky Ange is more popular for their maid and other costumes. Fanplusfriend started out as a cosplay shop and will sew up any design you send them. Neither are popular among lolitas and I would suggest you don't even bother joining lolita meetups in anything resembling the pics you posted.

If what you wanted to was to actually dress lolita instead of being in costume, here are the sites to start with:

http://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/
http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/

Do not come back until you can figure out why we think the two photos you posted are costumes and not lolita at all.

>>9083404
YMMV but I actually think Neverland has good concepts; execution falls flat sadly, but they have a good sense of color - I'm looking forward to how their Roses Valley sister brand will turn out, supposedly the production quality will be better

>>9083838
Whew... Gold trim's what bothers me most. Will probably shoot for the blue colourway as that's the one that appeals to me most.

I salute you for your superior taste in television and lolita.

>>9083907
I actually agree entirely, though. I didn't know before about the length thing, true, but I could tell the latter pic was more of a cheap costume, I just liked the general style of it, but being well-awake now I can see how ridiculous it is for me to have posted. And the first one not being lolita, just a reference for the shape.

I'm taking a look through your links now, and I appreciate the help and responses so far. I'd rather be a legitimate lolita than settle for knock-offs, and I can easily see the quality difference in most of the dresses posted here compared to the references I found. Finding a community or going to meet ups is definitely something I want, and I wouldn't buy anything that would be considered unacceptable, hence my questioning.

I am new to this, visited the board a few times but never gathered anything from it, and have been too shy to give this stuff a shot until now. I'll try not to be bothersome, and thoroughly look through this material before anything further. Thank you.

>>9083913
Why thank you, kind anon. Hornblower is a little guilty pleasure of mine. Hope you enjoy your dress.

Are Vivienne Westwood shoes worth the money? I can't buy anything from outside the EU and I'm really bad at finding normie shoes that work for lolita. I got my eye on these for my casual classic style but they are more than 500 euro...

>>9083951
If you just want normie shoes have you tried brands like Hotter, Hush Puppies, Clarks and Irregular Choice that are available within the UK?

Can someone help me identify this skirt? My google subscription got cancelled.

>>9083502
Let me know when you can find me some "simpler clothes" with the same aesthetic and I'll switch. Good luck.

>>9083984
It's an upcoming Infanta release.

>>9083951
Honestly, those look really... masculine. They aren't elegant and cute...

>>9083502
Do you even understand the point of alt fashion? Are you retarded or just 12? We aren't trying to be cute normalfags, we're wearing an actual style of alternative fashion.

>>9083998
Thanks anon, thats's fantastic!

>>9083502
can you even into autonomy?

>>9083821
The lack of basics is my main beef with them. I don't need a million main pieces, I need more than three blouses to pick from their shop and I'd like some new socks that aren't printed tights material. Or a new bag. I'd throw all my money at them if they did that.

>>9083700
Thanks for the review! If anyone else is getting it I'd really appreciate a quick review, even just to address the previous issues

I have a questions about berets:
How is one supposed to actually wear them? I've seen them placed on the head like a pancake, slipped on slightly, slipped on the whole way and on every occasion I've seen several people complain about their placement or say that it's plain wrong.
So, is there an actual way to wear a beret or is it one those things that's just left to personal preference.

>>9083826
I think some people from the /fa crossover threads have been lurking around more?

cgl, I'd like to hear your opinions.

If I made a one-off print dress that is "inspired by" an indie brand, what sort of backlash should I be expecting? Or none at all, given it'll only be a one-off home-made dress for myself?

It's just. I kind of like this dress, but a lot of the LU comments on this release simply say "not again, not after last time", which I guess means there's a long wait time on KL releases. At this point I'm thinking I could probably throw together some clipart and vintage graphics on spoonflower and make a similar dress myself. Won't be as good as the KL version, but at least I don't have to stress myself out stalking clobbao to put in an order and then waiting for KL to ship the dress. Plus, I really don't like what KL said about charging higher prices for Western and Japanese lolitas.

Thoughts? I'm almost certain I'm overthinking this, but I'd like to be prepared for any flak I might catch when I show up to a meetup in a home-made "inspired by" dress, or when I post an ootd to my tumblr/insta.

>>9085292
Are you experienced with spoon flower fabric printing requirements? Have the hours to design, proof then construct a lined dress with hidden zipper and rushing on chiffon?
Even then it will cost you as much in materials as it would to buy the dress and if you pull it off well and coord it nicely, what will you have? A copy of a marginally popular, mid-priced dress.
Why?

>>9085292
Why not use some public domain art and make an original design inspired by that dress? I don't particularly like KL, if you could make a dress with nice material and a better print, that would be awesome. Are you sure that spoonflower can do decent quality printed chiffon though? Because their cotton looks like shit from the ones I've seen in person

>>9085164
Like a pancake with one side pulled down slightly and pinned. You should never stretch out the whole thing, that looks disgusting and ruins it

Does Victorian Maiden charge foreigners Japanese sales tax? Just curious because some brands don't and some do. Couldn't find anything in the archives about it.

It seems that in general it is frowned upon to wear more unique style coords as opposed to the popular brands
This could just be an observation on 4chan though, I've just noticed that mainly well done sweet coords get the most praise

>>9085302
>>9085306

Have the skills and knowledge, yes. The crepe is my choice actually, I like the tooth ( like chirimen). I wouldn't be able to print it on jacquard like what I think KL is going to do, though, I'll have to settle for adding a repeat damask pattern to the background instead.

The dress isn't technically difficult. The underskirt is in fact dot tulle netting, it doesn't need to be hemmed. Pre-pleated tulle trim is available from taobao, though probably not double layer tulle trim. So there's a little work, yes, but not miles and miles of pleating and hemming, no.

Cost-wise, spoonflower 3 yards plus shipping is likely to run me around USD120-ish, the rest of the stuff from taobao is likely to cost half that, less if I reuse from my sewing stash. It's a decent USD85-100 less than USD267-285 clobbao was charging for their previous print.

The upside of making my own is being able to make a low-waisted dress with an open front, instead of having to choose between high waist or open front.

That, and I might actually get mine done faster than KL ships theirs out, if those comments from their previous print run is any indication.

I'm not looking to make a direct replica, it will be done with clipart and whatever free vintage art I can find and clean up, since I'm not looking to overspend buying graphics for it either. All done, "my" dress will only resemble Krad's in layout, the open front, the underskirt and the general feel.

Still, someone is bound to make the connection and start asking, though. How bad will the fallout be if I outright said "yeah, this was inspired by that, but I didn't feel like buying the original from the indie brand and made my own" ?

>>9085306
Yes and their better fabrics are much better but also more expensive. But you have to know how to design and set up the files and even not counting the hours she'd spend on construction, to use the better fabrics get some printed and line the dress with anything decent would cost as much as the finished dress, and this is assuming she has intermediate sewing skills already and also assuming she can also draft the pattern she needs or adapt one. I'd say yes it is worth it for a custom if you want a unique dress and sew well but just to copy something off taobao? Nah.

>>9085391
Considering this, I'd say go for it, nothing wrong with being inspired and reproducing the fabric print art is usually the big objection when people call 'replica' and 'art theft' not design similarities. Sounds cool, actually, I hope to see it.

>>9085398

Glad to hear this, thank you for your input.

>>9085393

I actually agree with all of this. Should probably have mentioned that I do have the skills to put everything together in my first post to avoid having minsunderstandings. It's just time-consuming to actually do it, and I'd rather not spend all that time on a dress to get glared at/nasty comments from other girls, so I'm here to hear if the reaction is likely to be bad.

>>9083912
agreed, Neverland makes cute prints but needs to work on their actual piece designs. their gold stamping stuff has been pretty nice, even with shiny fabric it doesn't look that tacky.

>>9083140
I'm tired of the endless taobao updates. I wish that brand and offbrand had separate update groups.

>>9083301
I love the simplicity of Moitie's cuts. I would buy the brand in a heartbeat if my 171 cm body would fit.

>>9085494
Taobao main pieces are mostly over-rated. The few that have reached brand popularity don't justify the mass taobao posting going on. I don't think these brands are even all that popular with Chinese lolitas, they like burando, with a few exceptions.

>>9085496
There are a few girls who aren't that short who can wear it but they have a slender, small boned frame. 171 isn't that tall and moitie makes lots of long cuts.

>>9083346
I own Medusa by KL and am happy with the quality. Beautiful chiffon print with intricate lace.

>>9084432
I agree completely.

>>9085500
100 cm bust 70 cm waist. I have a few pieces I've altered, but would love to be able to fit without alteration. I'm dieting like a mother and am not losing any bust. Sigh.

>>9085508
Even at my lowest weight (which was very underweight for my height) I was still a C cup so I have no chance .

>>9084220
>we're wearing an actual style of alternative fashion.
I think people on /cgl/, much like other boards, make it sound more pretentious than it actually is. Doesn't help that all the autismos here have a boner for the rules.

Apparently using #ChineseBrand for Chinese brands is racist. Big old race drama went down in LU, can't screenshot though.

I am fond of black lips. But they dont suit everyone. Which kind of lips look nice with black colour?

>>9085558
I don't see anything on their update post, did it already get deleted?

>>9085576
Check for comments from 13h ago.

>>9085575
I'm confused as to what you're asking. Are you looking for makeup for gothic? I think red lips can work for a more mature look, but you need to select the right shade for your skintone
http://www.allure.com/makeup-looks/2013/the-best-red-lipsticks-for-your-skin-tone

Gothic oldschool lolita make up

>>9085583
What? You mean on Facebook right? There's no option for that, as far as I know. Unless your talking about a different post?

Any one got this?

Hows the quality? Real life pictures would be great.

http://www.sololita.com/vintage-champagne-cotton-doll-collar-long-sleeves-classic-lolita-dress-p-1355.html

>>9083346
KL's Venice Carnival series still has me drooling but I can neither properly fit their set sizes, nor can I rationalize spending so much money on something I'd have to pay additionally to get altered. it's a bummer. their designs are incredible. Dear Celine is the taobao indie that has my heart: the fabric quality and details are unmatched and their sizes work for me. absolutely love DC

>>9085622
Not familiar with this website but judging by that photo this OP is originally from Miss Point on Taobao so you're better off looking there first. MP's quality is alright, rather decent for the price imo.

>>9083586
>this is going to be a lil long but I'm a tall lolita who wants to help!

hey anon, there are definitely brand dresses that will work for you. I'm 180cm and the key for me is knowing my measurements. If you love lolita enough you'll be able to enjoy spending countless hours looking through piece after piece and being able to train your eye to what will work on your body. have you worn any normie dresses? get a feel for where your waistline is, and also for how the bodices work for a minimal bustline (that can be a major advantage for you). Make sure you know the length from your shoulders to your waist (in order to narrow potential purchases down based on how the bodice will look), and always pay attention to skirt length (waist to hem).
You can definitely get away with dresses/skirts that end just above the knee. browse lolibrary.org to see what is out there. then you can google worn photos of the designs you think could work. also, start out with a manageable color scheme

>>9083802
how would you describe your hair thickness/straightness? I am always a fan of curly bobs, especially with bangs, so perhaps wetting your hair and sectioning it into curlers to wear overnight with a scarf or bandana covering your head would work well. that method consistently gives me dramatic curls that stay put.
You can also do clip in buns & ponytails, but it depends on how fine your hair is, since it is shorter.

>>9085494
all you have to do is scroll past them though. I for one enjoy seeing what people are coming up with and, though there are a lot of horrible misses, Taobao has been an awesome platform for several quality independent designers. I really love seeing what new blouses are available too. the variety is rad, imo.

>>9085600
lrn 2 reply

>>9085622
I bet sololita is a sock puppet

>>9085622
SoLolita is a Milanoo clone, I'm pretty sure.

>>9085672
Not that anon, but it's annoying because you still get notifications that someone posted in the group. When you click the notification, oh look another taobao brand I don't care about. Separate groups would be better because of how retarded Facebook is.

>>9085508
>70cm waist

fatty

>>9085558
No more than #JapaneseBrand #KoreanBrand in context, jeez.

>>9085777
tell that to my 100cm waist.
I don't see why you needed to very incorrectly namecall another gull.

>>9085805
You aren't a fatty, you're a god damn planet. Jfc

>>9085809
>29 inch waist
>Ribs showing, skin stretched over them
>Waist has no more fat to lose
Kill me

>>9085508
Bust fat is often last to go, and band size reduction too. Good luck.

>>9085816
Meant to tag >>9085777 but same anon so whatever

>>9085820
>tag

newfag and fat? You should be put down.

>>9085816
How tall? 29 inches is still at the upper edge of a US medium/10 so pretty average in normal fashion and its big for most j-fashion or van designer fashion, not even close to spooky skelly size. Many models 5'11 and taller have waists quite a bit smaller

>>9085833
but anon she is soooo thin stop bullying her!

>>9085833
6'0

>>9085843
So you are a man?

>>9085816
29in is still just 73cm, you'll fit most brand and you're not that big. 100cm is 40in. Make a circle out of your measuring tape and imagine that's the smallest part of your body.

Just when I thought everyone here learned their lesson when it comes to replying to the resident troll here.
Don't do it.

>>9085871
shhhhhhhh

itll be okay

>>9085770
Then turn the notifications off.

>>9085857
Thanks anon, I feel a bit better about it now. Still pains me when cute skirts don't fit.

>>9085903
that's because jfashion isn't made Amazon freaks

>>9085873
Alright. Enjoy all the waste of space "lurk more fatty uggu" comments.
Maybe learn how to use the board and hide and report. We could have an actual decent board if anyone put forth some kind of effort.

>>9085920
>you know who jumping proxies like crazy
>she's been at it since the beginning of the year
>we can ever be a decent board

>>9085391
show when its done, anon!

>>9085925
She's been here for several years now but only really effected things recently.
Don't fucking reply to people who are obviously trolling, regardless of if it's her or not. I'm sure people also impersonate her, and those people should get reported too.

Other boards are decent. This isn't a high expectation.

>>9085934
>She's been here for several years now but only really effected things recently.
I didn't know but I guess that's why she's so good at inciting arguments here.

>>9085938
Really? She usually posts the same shit over and over and eventually people get tired of it, but it takes a long time for people to realize it's her or someone attempting that persona which wouldn't be hard now a days.

>>9085899
Then I don't get notifications for the brands I do care about? Come on anon.

>>9085945
Go look at
>>9076899


They keep using the word retarded so it's probably her but it went on for some time.

>>9085949
It's really stupid to have notifications on for that group because of the volume of posts. Just check it once or twice a day. Not hard.

>>9085816
I'm almost as tall as you and I'm wide as fuck yet I managed to get my waist down to 24in. I was a little larger than you when I started, if you really can't loose more weight use a corset or shape wear.

>>9085949
Turn notifications off.

Soo, any news on British Bear?

>>9085575
I think black lips just have to be really perfectly done and overdrawn. I bought some black lipstick for myself but I couldn't get it to look good on me (constant lip chapping doesn't help) so I gave it to a friend who has bigger lips and better application.

>>9085961
No, some of us don't use Facebook and just check email notifications. Not to mention checking the page results in Facebook order so you can't find what you're looking for.

>>9083802
There's a short hair thread on the front page, anon, and they have some really good images there.

>>9083507
Me too anon! I will eventually have that dress! First AP dress this season that I love.

>>9086113

Get a fake account?

>>9086113
There's a search function. And now a tagging system. And you can use "recent group photos" to see uploads in chronological order. And as someone said, make a fake Facebook.

Now quit bitching.

>>9086180
Stop pretending the taobao updates aren't crowding brand updates. None of those "solutions" solve that. You're probably the same anon that defends lacemarket, even though it too has it's own problems. Nothing will ever improve if everyone continues to just deal with it.

>>9085636
I just bought a black Venice Carnival JSK, is the sizing quite awkward in comparison to other brands?

>>9085950
The most annoying part is that things just get deleted but mods won't even address it. Like yes that is some kind of slow solution but if they actually did their jobs they'd make a sticky since everyone knows about the proxy/impersonation thing that happens.

Like way to clog the archives. What a bunch of stupid fuck heads.

>>9086180
You misunderstood. I have Facebook and the notifications are emailed so I don't have to use it.

>>9083140
>>9085494

All these taobao haters. There are some really original and well made taobao pieces. I appreciate lolita updates including them, otherwise I might've missed preorder dates. Taobao can be harder than brand to find 2nd hand.

>>9086420
I know it's upsetting but there's no way that we can police every single debate/argument here. They would run the chance of banning anyone who disagrees about something in some witch hunt to stop her and that's not really practical.

The best thing to do is avoid responding the moment it becomes obvious it's b8. But then some people just want to provoke her so we can't stop that.

>>9081976
Aquarium Carnival OP anon here, I received mine on Friday. Seconding that I didn't have any quality issues on mine.

I think someone was asking about the bodice and as someone with a large bust, it looks perfectly fine as long as you have a good bra on. The 'bodice' part ends right where my breasts begin yet it still sits at my natural waist so I don't think it's meant to cover one's breasts.

The only thing I'm slightly annoyed about is the zipper clasp placement, instead of ending a little under the sleeve like most OPs I have it clasps at the armpit which makes zipping it up a bit difficult. If you have large shoulders I wouldn't recommend this dress. AP also gave me two small pearl chains but there's nowhere on the dress to attach them so I'm not really sure what to make of them. All in all I'm pretty pleased with it though. The lace and details on the dress are beautiful.

>>9086604
They clip on the front anon.

>>9086218
go make your own group then.

>>9086218
>>9086678
I second this. If it bothers you this much then don't put up with it, make your own. The Lolita Updates group isn't going to bend to your will and no one wants to hear you bitch if you won't take action to please yourself.

>first time on /cgl/
>ITT women and traps
teach me your ways

>>9086645
Not on the OP they don't, there's nowhere to clip them at all.

>>9086678
>>9086682
As expected. The "make your own" solution. Same thing was said about lacemarket. Why fix what we have? Start over and make something new.

>>9086694
It's a facebook group, not an auction site where thousands of dollars is exchanging hands. It's not that fucking serious.

>>9086688
Oh didn't realize you got the Op. I thought you meant opening post.

Intellectual property theft AND a knockoff of puppet circus.
Thoughts?

>>9086721
original PC for comparison.
I think it is from the same brand that got a lot of flack for their pokemon-lolita designs.

>>9086721
Oh no....I love it. But can't imagine people will be hype about SM fanart taking from AP unless it wasn't going to be used on an item for sale.

>>9086721
those legs are jarringly large

Are they trying to sell this and claim the design as their own or were they just making a homage?

>>9086721
I'm so conflicted on this. On one hand it's really pretty, and it's not intellectual property theft, as it's just fan art and people often make money off the fanart anyway. On the other hand, using puppet circus for this is more plagiarism than fan art of the print. At least they are not making a dress out of it, but still. If AP made this I would be all over it though.

>>9086749
Fan art is not always legal. Just because people often do it does not make it ok. This features a trademarked name and motifs from the show, I'm not sure if they can get away with it.
>>9086745
They said it is a sailor moon print inspired by puppet circus or something like that.

>>9086745
Actually, looking at the proportions on the original puppet circus, it kind of looks traced maybe? Not that this rip off cake needs another layer to it

>>9086721
Legs are way too long even by sailor moon standards

>>9086777
I don't believe it was traced. While elements appear extremely similar, if you look at certain things such as the way the floor tiles line up with the ribbon, and position of the horses legs, it is different.

>>9085494
How is it that hard to scroll past? I never miss any Japanese brand releases.

>>9086721
I'm disappointed gulls are falling for this for some reason. This is illegal no matter which way you look at it and definitely in poor tastes both ways. It borrows too heavily from Sailor Moon and they shouldn't be able to put the actual words "Sailor Moon" on the print for legal reasons. The icing on the cake is they feel the need to rip off poor Puppet Circus when it's already had enough awful replicas. Which indie brand is putting this out?

>>9086513
What is that print?

>>9086835
/RougeAerie/ (FB)
They're calling it a "parody print".

>>9086721

That "Sailor Moon" on the banner, though. It's like being hit on the head by a newbie fan going "lookit this cool new anime I found! Let me tell you all about the things you already know because I just discovered them yesterday!". I mean, not like I couldn't tell even if it wasn't labeled. Would have been better if they went for subtle and just put something like "in the name of the moon" or "For Love and Justice" or some other catchphrase.


>>9086835

There's a lot of difference, though. Replicas are mostly hated on because they're being sold by people who didn't create the art, they just scanned or traced the original. Hence they don't deserve the money or the accolade, because they have no talent to actually create anything by themselves.

Here the artwork looks to be done from scratch, not traced or stolen. They stole the ideas and the layout, but the drawing itself is this person's own talent. Even if your morals about replicas extends to stealing ideas (whole other clusterfuck there) you gotta give props to the artist for at least being able execute a nice drawing.

>>9086884
This is correct, however >>9086835 was right.

It is clearly a knockoff, not a replica. There is a difference, but not all knockoffs are created equal. I would say this is equivalent to a replica because of the sailor moon design and copyright infringement.
Normally I do not mind knockoff or "similar" products - heck, lief did another gold print border print that looked similar too - but this is just as bad as a replica.

That said, I have no issue with pic related, and cannot explain why. It's the same idea of a "parody" print, but doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth like the sailor moon/puppet circus one does.

>>9086721
Too much of a rip off of both and the then the words are the nail in the coffin. Add them to my 'brands never to buy from' list. Plus, like most Lolita fandom mashups, I think it's ugly.

>>9086922
Because this makes it pretty clear its a parody while I wouldn't have known the other was a parody unless someone told me. My first instinct is ripoff.

>>9086520
Nah, just make it a sticky. It's not like she's gonna actually come up with something original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMFUd0XM5M&feature=share
tldr? Who is casey?

>>9087013
How is making a sticky going to help? You can't stop people from arguing anon.

>>9087057
that girl the terrible drawn-on eyebrows who LC said were caught stealing at naka con earlier this year

can't comment yet bc this video is 45 minutes long and I'm still watching it (only 11 minutes in)

>>9086870
Hahahahahaha someone needs to take an IP class, calling something a parody doesn't give you fair use. Even if it were actually a parody... which it's not, by legal standards

>>9086999
It's not a parody. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/parody

>>9086769
Lol like half of Etsy sells Sailor Moon shit, the motifs and the name. No one has faced any legal action yet. Tons of fanart is sold at cons. It's strange that you are focusing on the Sailor Moon part of it being theft, when it's clear that it wasn't just "inspired" by puppet circus, but a straight rip off of the design with minor details changed to be sailor moon. Something being inspired by the print wouldn't be so blatant with copying the design, but feature a gold on velvet sailor moon print, maybe in a silhouette style, with different composition altogether, or at least not blatantly tracing the curtain, bows, garlands, floor, ribbons, etc.

>>9086922
It's a very obvious parody, plus there is a rule of using all profits from it for charity, whereas this puppet moon is purely for profit.

>>9087108
Yes but it is not art theft of Puppet Circus, it is a knockoff of puppet circus that features trademarked Sailor Moon stuff. Just because no claims are filed does not mean something is ok.
It isn't gold on velvet, it is gold on black. The curtains, bows, garlands, floor and ribbons are redrawn, not traced.

>>9087057
lol this bitch, she's 17 and should know that if she's going to shoplift from a small business in a niche community that she's going to face consequences. this is so pathetic, and 45 minutes long? what the fresh hell?

>>9087127
Is she 17 though? in the video multiple times they say she's 14

I agree with what you're saying, but at the same time, some of stunts people did were really petty.

also that said, the beginning of this video sounded pretty reasonable, but then somewhere in the middle it started getting off track and felt like people were bitching about personal problems, and took some time to get back on track to the original point of the video.

>>9087099
>>9086870
That's where I got the parody bit from. I'm aware it's truly not one

>>9086863
Brightness taobao shop. The Bones of Mythical Beasts

https://youtu.be/R9RioGe5VKM

I can't quite pinpoint it, but something about it feels uncomfortable to watch.

>>9086721
It looks like she also ripped off q pot design

>>9087137
she lies about her age to get sympathy from people but she's definitely older than 14.

their story doesn't make any sense because the vendor doesn't give away free stuff, and their staff knows how to spot shoplifters, like any good con booth staff should. iirc convention security banned her from the dealers room because they had evidence of her stealing. this video just seems like a chance to whine and bitch that she got caught and called out for stealing.

>>9087279
well i think its rather fine. shes not exactly a professional model, so her body language can seem a bit awkward and stiff

>>9086721
I usually care about replicas w/e, would never own one. But this is cute af.

>>9086721
I don't give a fuck, I'd buy this assuming the final design and quality were decent.

>>9087279
It feels really amateur and awkward because it's like we're some random guy stalking Fannie around, lingering behind, filming random odd, forced "elegent" scenes.
>tfw you thought this would be some Fannie interview
>no, it's literally just walking with Fannie

>>9087279
It reminds me of those wifu videos.

>>9087279
I really hate that people are trying to do away with photography with stupid awkward as fuck shit like this. This all could have been nice photographs but noooo.

Is it worth it to get a postal scale for shipping things? I'm from the US so when shipping within the country I usually just use the flat rate priority mail packaging. However, all of my most recent sales have been international, and while I've figured that the general weight for a jsk is about one pound give or take and that using that measurement for the international shipping calculator on USPS site has been pretty spot-on, I was just wondering if maybe I should get one anyway for good measure?

>>9087421
I use my kitchen scale. It serves two purposes that way.

>>9086726

Different brand. This is from Rouge Aerie. The other ripoff brand was Vitae or some shit.

>>9086604
Oh that's good, luckily it seems like an isolated case (unlucky for that anon though). Are the front bows detachable or something? So you could choose between pearls or bows? The only other place would be to use them on the waist but I don't think that would look right. Oh well, free pearls aha

>>9087057
the girl behind the camera keeps sniffing and coughing it's fucking gross

>>9087279
It's just so obviously directed, and as a result she seems really stiff. No one wants to watch someone being told "walk here" and "now walk here" to boring music in an uninteresting outfit

For the Lolita tea party in Berlin this month, do VIP get photos/interactions/autographs with the guests or does everyone/anyone? I've only attended an event with Akira and everyone got to take a photo with her and got her autograph.

>>9087279
This is so weird and boring.

My item on LM sold June 23rd. I sent two messages to the buyer who has 100% FB, has yet to read my messages. Is this a LM issue or just a bad buyer? Should I leave negative FB? I'd hate to leave negative if it's a LM issue.

>>9088292
Could be an LM issue. Have you tried contacting them through their Paypal e-mail?

>>9088292
You can try to email the buyer as well since it is provided when they win. If there is still no communication after say 2 more days you should leave them a negative feedback. They should be expecting your invoice since they bid and won the item.

>>9087201
Thank you

>>9087127
I'm really confused about why you would make a video like this; they keep emphasising CHILD as if her being under 18 means she's blameless, her 'side of the story' didn't really clear anything up, why would they accuse her of shoplifting for no reason?

>>9087057
These mods seem pretty well meaning but the girl sounds retarded and makes offhanded comments that don't put her in a good light anyway

>'even if it did happen, those other people weren't at the con'
>'they never really liked me anyway'

>>9087279
Maybe I'm weird, but I liked it. Probably because I live on the sun and can only dream of going on nature walks in cute clothes, so it's nice to be able to live vicariously.

Did anyone save the chronological order of AP tags that was posted a while back? Trying to identify or at least age check a cutsew i just got off buyee

>>9087279
For me it is because she seems always so composed and confident in her still photos at home and here she is showing both a bit of awkwardness and the obvious scripting and the 'hey, I'm trying so hard not to look at the camera' is really showing. Plus she really doesn't walk in heels nearly as well as I thought she would, especially stairs. I'm oddly disappointed even though it's silly.

>>9089161
go on one of the oldschool groups on FB, theyve got it

>>9086513
I honestly like Taobao brands, but it really bugs me when there are so many lackluster tb dresses getting posted, it's more of a feeling that I miss old forums where you could skip them but you can't on fb. I find it hilarious that the LU mods out forth a change coincidentally after people started complaining on cgl

>>9089223
Kind of dumb and useless really, hardcore brandwhores get scans immediately and hit up their shopping service so don't care what brand is or isn't posted to that group. The rest can just search the new tags every few days because it's quite a while until the US shops get the latest stuff so no big hurry, right?

Thanks Captcha, now I want sushi.

>>9089242
Why are you assuming everyone uses a shopping service or the US stores when forwarding services exist?

>>9089249
AP why.

>>9089254
Or that. It's just easier to quickly secure a first or second in line space/choice with a shopper than risk missing out in the online release. Also physical services often get to the item in-store a day or 2 before the official online release. Do Baby and AP Japan even accept forwarding service orders? Idk.

>>9089301
You can order from them directly anon. AP only accepts a forwarding service, but Baby ships international. And with how much stock AP has had lately, no one really needs a shopping service unless they are trying to avoid customs.

>>9080688
Wunderwelt is selling some houndstooth brand for dirt cheap right now on LM. They get that pattern pretty often, and it sells for cheap secondhand (for the most part).

I thought Pumpkin Cat went away? Looks like they're back?? ARE THEY BACK?

>>9089504
They've been back. Finished a preorder for a second round of chocolate dresses, (pic related) are working on some dragon ones and are getting ready to release a few more cute prints. They opened up again about two months ago.

Can a seller reject your purchase if you only pay via goods/services instead of family/friends???

>>9089776
Sorry english is not my first language.

If the seller wanted me to pay family but i wanted to pay service and they won't want to sell to me now unless I pay family, is that normal or dodgy?

>>9089249
full res images of the cat and dot print yet?

>>9089776
>>9089792
It depends, are you paying for tracked/insured shipping? If not then i'd say it's normal. They aren't covered if something happens to your package. But if you are paying for tracked shipping then they should invoice you.

>>9089801
But it also means I'm not covered if something happens

Welp, the exchange rate is now 100 yen = 1 USD

I wish I could go back in time to October

I bought quite a bit of brand then, but I would have bought even more knowing about this

>>9089909
Boohoo. Try living in Australia

>>9087279
the camera work is so fucking amateur. the shaky handycam aspect would work if Fanny was actually looking into/interacting with the camera. you can't give the camera embodiment with shaky movements but then shoot like it's the invisible seeing eye.
and as far as the editing, the cuts make no sense. the director could have easily created a smoother sense of movement, or limited the camera positions so that we weren't looking at her from a completely different distance and position every time.

also, how hard is it to eliminate the original accompanying noise in favor of the soundtrack?

I would have enjoyed this if she we wearing lolita at least...

>>9089841

That's why they're asking if you're paying for tracked shipping. If it's tracked then usually the seller will invoice you, or at least ask you to send payment for "goods", not gift payment, so then both seller and buyer have the tracking to prove whether or not an item arrived.

If you're the one that requested non-tracked shipping, then generally sellers request gift payment. That way you cannot file a paypal dispute because you chose to save money on untracked shipping. If it's the buyer who chose a less secure method of shipping to save a few bucks, it should be on the buyer's head if the item doesn't arrive, not the seller's. That's why anon above says it's normal to pay for an item via gift if you're not paying for tracked shipping, it's so the seller isn't held liable for the buyer choosing to save a few bucks on shipping.

Lastly. Gift payment generally costs less or no paypal fees. So if you want to save some dollars the seller will request you pay by gift instead.

Of course, so much of this depends on what you negotiated with the seller. If you didn't say anything and the seller is the one who chose untracked shipping and requested payment by gift, then it's certainly somewhat dodgy, you should message the seller and tell them you want tracked shipping and a paypal invoice. Be prepared that the seller might say they need to charge you 3-5% paypal fees, technically they aren't supposed to do that either, but again, a lot of this depends on what you actually negotiated with the seller.

When would the best time to visit Japan for Lolita shopping be? I always thought it was around New Year's for lucky packs but after thinking about it, they are all on reservation anyway. Still a good time or are there better times?

>>9089909
Didn't it dip down to 99 already? I think holding fast isn't bad, we had been slumping quite awhile even before credit, I got 102 a week prior. From what I hear Japan's pissed their PM is wanting to raise taxes, so things might get better unless you get new releases from a SS.

>>9090151
*Brexit not credit

Not really a fan of the crazy ott underskirt thread but because I'm tall I'm looking to buy one to add a few inches to dresses that are only a little too short on me. Anyone got any favorites?

>>9090186
Little Dipper's are nice but I don't know if they're still in stock.

Is it acceptable to upload old and new lolita related magazines or is it as frowned upon as replicas?

>>9090186
Peacockalorum's chiffon ones are beautiful, well made and so reasonably priced. I brought a black one and I love it, but a friend of mine got a lovely soft gold colour and it's the prettiest thing ever.

>>9089793

>>9090307
Kitties! Is this in Lolita updates? I haven't checked it in a couple days

>>9090054
I was there for New Year's and it was awesome. There were lucky bags you could line up for at Laforet without reservations. The popular ones sold out fast, but many places still had packs leftover in the afternoon. I then saw a bunch of lolita stores had general 30% off sales during the week that followed. However, there are some store closures around New Years because it's a big holiday there and many people take time off. Shopping during lucky bag time is extremely hectic and crowded as well. I've been there at other times of year, but never for any big holidays, so I'm not sure what other times they are likely to have synced up sales.

>>9090011
No one cares

>>9089223

Opening a store is like their lolita DIY/hobby over there. Lolitas make their own dresses and have access to all the clothing manufactures locally that can make it happen. I love that there's more options now, esp for gothic

>>9090011
Isn't it a requirement that you have to be mentally challenged to live in Australia? I wouldn't be able to move there.

>>9090231
Some people get mad about it, but most people appreciate it. Just look at lolita updates and all of their "scans"/leaks.

>>9090442
They just mostly show a few pages of advertisements though, not full magazine scans. I'm against uploading full scans but then I buy my magazines so that's why. I wouldn't do more than an advertisement or some example photo, not even a full article or photo spread.

>>9090332
Thank you. I was wondering if that New Year's closures were worth the shopping and sales. I was also thinking for Halloween or guess when the LaForet Bazaar is

>>9090449
Then why are you asking if you're against it? People will still do what they want and buy/not buy the mags.

>>9090497
I was not the one who asked.

>>9090354
What taobao shop is this?

>>9090500
You didn't even explain why you were against it so you really didn't add anything useful.

>>9090307
Goddamn. May need to try the bloodbath.

>>9090506
Well, IP theft and also danger of the magazine failing obviously. Like the English version of Lolita Bible. If everyone mostly just reads scans and no one buys the mag, what do you think happens? Too much sharing out and then no one gets it becUse the magazine fails. Everyone just thinks 'oh let someone else buy it, my one person little scan download habit doesn't hurt anything'. Then times 100 or more. It matters. Plus if you are used to overseas shipping and time the buying so you get a few in the box or order with other items, they aren't even really that expensive.

>>9090519
I agree somewhat. I also buy magazines. But having old magazines online are appreciated as it is still inspiring and they can be difficult to get ahold of. Many are no longer in publication. New magazines in Japanese aren't for the western market so Japanese mags aren't likely including us in their sales demographic. I agree about the English copy though, that should have been encouraged to buy. I honestly just wish they'd sell emags, I'd buy tons of past magazines.

>>9090541
Koakuma Ageha stopped for a while and Kimono Ageha is gone completely. I think Spoon publishes less frequently. They may not figure in a western buyer factor but I think boosting the international interest and sales is always a good thing. It just kind of burns me that with new(er) things like Larme (which obviously when new wants and needs support), gets scans begged right away and ongoing.

>>9090461
Grand Bazaar is the same time twice a year

>>9090049
God this is so dumb. Without a tracking number, sellers have ZERO protection. With gift payment, buyers can just do a chargeback through their bank/cc, and since it's a "gift" payment, even with tracking there's no seller support because that type of payment is not for merchandise.

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sophieraven/32338880/51849/51849_original.jpg
Are these knife pleats or box pleats?

Does anyone know the name of this model? I usually see her in Spoon magazine.

>>9080688
http://www.lacemarket.us/rare-red-chocolat-chan-going-out-applique-jsk/
get it while it's hot!

>>9090735

A CC chargeback is possible even with an invoice and tracked shipping, and a really determined scammer has even more ideas up their sleeves to keep both the dress and the money.

For the casual/honest paypal user, it's not actually that easy to file a credit card chargeback anyway. You're essentially shafting over paypal, I can't imagine they'll continue letting you use that account and backtracking your transactions as you please, so basically you can kiss your paypal account good bye. You're also going to have to explain to the bank that you willingly clicked to send a payment, and then instead of working things out with whoever you somehow need the bank to do a chargeback. They really aren't as happy to do chargebacks all that easily, since it opens the credit card system for abuse exactly as you described, do it too often and you'll find your account under scrutiny and maybe even some restrictions on your credit card, to "prevent future fraud".

Anyway, as I understand it, the practice is really to hammer home to the buyer that the seller isn't taking risks just so the buyer can save a few dollars on tracking. Some airheaded buyers really don't realise that they're buying an expensive item from overseas and still asked for untracked shipping out of habit or something. Telling them to send the item via gift payment and explaining it's so they can't file a paypal dispute seems to snap them to their sense more than explaining how you have no way of ever finding a dress that goes missing while being sent across oceans.

New thread >>9091809

>>9087279
I actually liked it, because it humanized her a bit. Fanny is one of my "lolita idols," but I always imagined her being as elegant and proper in real life as she appears in her photographs. Seeing her be a bit awkward and clumsy in her high heels, and being less than well-composed gave me hope. I thought it was cute.