/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8988252
Fatties who think they can fit into AP and stretch the seams.

>>8988252
You. I hate you.

>>8988252
These threads

I hate the people in lolita

>>8988262
Too bad for you that AP makes plenty of fatty-friendly dresses. :))))))))))))

>>8988337
I'm talking about the mega fatty ones that can't even fit into that. You know the ones. How stupid are you?

Cof makes me lose hope, a good cord is so rare, and everything else is embarrassing to look at.

>>8988252
The gap of skin you see when someone wears a dress too small for them or their OTK's are not long enough/fallen down or... both. 'Zettai ryōiki' I think the term is.. Although, I don't think it applies to this.

>>8988348
Both meaning short dress & fallen OTK's.
Pls fix, it's unpleasant.

>>8988252
OTT lolita. I hate how people scoff at normal and casual lolita. Like wigs being the norm, wth.

folks that refuse to give up on trying to make bittersweet lolita a real thing.

Nose piercings and ear gauges. They look ugly most of the time outside of lolita as well but they don't fit with the aesthetic at all so they always look out of place.

>>8988361
Are there any instances you've seen this done well?
I have ear gauges, if they matched my coordinate and weren't super IN YOUR FACE, would that change your opinion?

I dislike underskirts that make a knee length dress tea length, it's just super awkward 90% of the time.

>>8988346
when Lolitas say 'cord'.

Fatties in lolita (chubby is okay, if you don't fit into VM/MM that's fine, but if you can't fit into AP/Baby, you need to lose weight), shitty dyed hair, unusual piercings, shitty handmade things, and people who show up in non-lolita on a regular basis to meets.

Oh, and anyone under 18 in lolita. I'd be willing to make an exception if I ever found anyone unusually mature who actually had the money for the fashion under that age, but I've yet to find such a person.

>When petticoats are too short so Lolitas get that bump in their skirt before it just falls straight down.
>Skirts that fall in the awkward one to three inch space above the knee.
>Mousy girls who put all their money in to their coord and forget hair, makeup, and skincare.

>>8988382
About the weight thing, that's assuming you're the target height for those brands. Obviously a taller lolita would have larger measurements overall.

Chocolate prints.

Lolitas who warship angelic pretty and hate you for not feeling the same as them about the brand.

Not a fan of helicopter headbows, those big twin-tail wigs and super OTT sweet, but those things are dying out anyway.

>>8988262
Same, but mostly the attitude that 'everyone can be lolita uwu' and therefore it is evil bullying to tell someone their clothes do not fit. It's really awkward to sit next to someone at a meetup whose armpit fat is oozing out and whose boobs are clearly being squished underneath the waistband of their dress. I don't think fat girls necessarily make bad lolitas but it's more difficult for them, and it doesn't help when they keep coming up with excuses as to why they can't wear anything that fits.
>maybe get it altered? "but muh resale value!"
>get something made to your measurements? "but muh favorite prints!"
>maybe get something made to fit you in a color matching the print and wear it with the print's tote bag and accessories? "but muh God-given right to wear AP just like the skinny girls!"
>have you tried losing weight? "OMG BODYSHAMING"
I've honestly started avoiding the fat girls at meetups. They can be nice, but every other conversation is about how they can't fit brand and how CoF's audience is discriminating against them for being fat and how 'naturally skinny' girls are so lucky and I can't really take it any more.

>>8988369
Not who you're replying to, but I think stretched ears always look icky and changing the piercing's color to one that matches the coord doesn't change that. It's your body, though, I can't tell you what to do.

>>8988400
I agree with everything you just said.

>>8988252
>OTT lolita.
It looks tacky and costumey. 99% of the time. Also i hate how it is the "norm" now and your coord is mediocre/boring if you do casual or old school,.. Fuck that.

>newbies
not all but a lot of them need to be spoonfed,whine about it being expensive,whine about how it's hard,.. and it's a pain.

>"it's not a phase duh"
I hate those edgy tumblr girls type that suddenly go "i wanna be sweet lolita hurdur" and buy a milky planet replica or something. Also their usually terribly bleached hair that don't go well at all with lolita.

>sensitive people
let it be SJW or not, i can't stand people who are offended by everything and will find a problem in everything. But in lolita it's grinding my gears even more for some reason. You can't criticize anything or else you're a big meanie elitist. Sensitive fags are the worst.

>new lolita mentality
Now (even though in the past it was still present) it's become so much about being efamous/having a big closet/... and only wearing it for meets/conventions/.. like fuck, no, it's not what lolita is.

Also i really dislike fatties in lolita that don't make any effort to lose weight, i'm not talking chubbies but like, really overweight girls? in general fatties don't look good in normal clothes but in lolita it's just worse.

>>8988384
mmmyes that last one.

People with more money than sense in lolita
People whose parents buy their brand and they boast about it knowing it's a tacky thing to boast about
People who act like Lolita's HAVE to be bitchy and uncouth because they're wearing frilly dresses and don't want the stereotype of being nice

I especially don't get the last one. I'm not ladylike by any means but when people have to go over the top and swear loudly and act all edgy in public it's so annoying. I get not wanting to be seen just for your clothes, but you don't have to go above and beyond to be an asshole just because of that

>replica-chans
>girls who squeeze themselves in clothes that don't fit
>OTT anything
>babydoll cuts, especially on printed dresses
and one very particular girl in my comm who'se an adult but VERY close to her mother, and said mother keeps telling her that all the girls telling her to wear a petticoat that doesn't stick out two inches/OTKs instead of kneesocks + sheer tights/proper length skirts are bitches and meanies.

>>8988252
>-Striped otks
>-Maxi pad head-dresses
>-Old school Lolita

I'm actually triggered

>>8988445
>people going out of their way to be edgy so they're not confused as being nice

This so much. It's so teenage edgy and it's like those stupid mall goth and emo types grew up and got into frilly fashion. I think they ruin the attitude in lolita because they're so adamant about there being no "lovely sweetie pie niceness just because we're lolitas" so they become the polar opposite. It's so snowflakey and along the lines of "I'm not like the other girls", except replace girls with lolitas. I wish it was called out more because it's embarrassing.

I'm not like a lifestyler or think people need to get some free pass because they're a lolita, but those idiots act like there's no middle ground and being a salty, unsavory person in a frilly dress makes them some kind of rebel. Meanwhile, the rest of us are just decent people and don't need to be raging angry autists and edgelords to try and feel better.

>>8988369
Not really, they don't match the style in the same way fishnet arm covers don't match lolita. You can colour match them to your coord but they still look out of place.

>>8988252
Angelic Pretty
Sweet Lolita
Pastel colors
Unimaginative AP "full set" fags
OTT
Costume looking crap
Stupid looking giant wigs
Ita and weeby shit
Bad handmade
Bearded attention whores
General attention whores that like to stirr up drama
E-fame bullshit
SJWs

I fucking hate coloured contact lenses. Even more natural looking ones, it just doesn't make sense to me as to why you would alter your appearance like that.
Lolita is not cosplay and you don't have to copy the look of a certain character. So why bother? I can understand that some people wear wigs, because it matches their coord better, but your eye colour is not a part of your coord. Imo all eye colours are beautiful, there is no need to change them.

>>8988523
??? They make your eyes look bigger anon, which is obviously something desireable in lolita for the wide-eyed look.

I like my blue eyes, but because they're a very light blue, they come across as very jarring in photos where i want a 'doll eyed' look. Large diameter brown or even darker blue contacts help unify my eyes with my makeup and improve my appearance in photos.

The whole point of realistic/casual lenses is daily wear, not cosplay.

>>8988523
Agreed.
Makes Lolita look like a costume to me too.

>>8988494

I disagree with half of your opinions, but thats okay. But fucking bearded lolitas, I wish they would stop

>>8988488
Yeah I don't get that either. It actually started Lolita, fact. Without old school, there's nothing. That's like Speed Racer saying 'I hate cars'.

Plain walmart tee-shirts used as casual.

body-hate, AP's skirt length, cat prints, those strappy calf-high fake-velvet Bordello shoes, those boring white lacey BTSSB otks that everyone and their mother coords with every outfit, strawberry prints (I like some but yeesh, the influx over the years!), open-toed shoes, skirt pulling in photos, BJD tights, floppy bonnets, michelin man sleeves, the fact that brand shoes will never be made for Ent's like me, and flat lifeless hair.

>>8988531
No, you can achieve bigger looking eyes through make-up. Apart from that coloured contacts never look doll-like to me, but soulless and robotic, at best costumey. But that's just my humble opinion. I just think it's the wrong direction that people in this fashion become insecure because of their fucking eyes.

>>8988494
tbf I'd rather someone be a full set fag than an ita

>>8988523
you do realize normies in korea and japan wear colour contacts to make their eyes look prettier and bigger. It's not just a cosplay thing.

>>8988252
You have shit taste

>>8988389
Obvious typo that one really shouldn't care about but AP with battle ships though

>>8988585
>insecure
anon no-one is saying lolita has made them insecure about their eye color. I wear them a lot because I like being able to switch eye colors. That's it.

The goddamn fucking short bodice length that is everywhere makes me want to scream. I'm not even tall, I just have a little boob and a long torso but it's unflattering as fuck. Can it please go away already?

Matching blacks. For gods sake it's impossible. Sorely tempted to just dump all my cottons into a dye bath so they'll match and I'm not dealing with 50 shades of black.

Peter Pan collars. The bigger they are the more I dislike them. I love Oldschool, but that's just one aspect I can't deal with.

>>8988605
On that note
>trying to match browns
I wear lots of classic and try to have brown as a base color in many coords but goddamn it's impossible to even match shit (hurhur) from the same brand, let alone different brands. Cool brown and warm brown together look downright disgusting.

>>8988599
Yes it was a typo because my phones a dumb cunt.

Teaparty shoes are so ugly and all look like they're made for toddlers

-Underskirts that are used to lengthen dresses
-People pretending to be authorities on lolita fashion when they really know very little
-Western lolitas in general (especially Americans)

OTT Classic.

>>8988618
Let's not forget matching ivories/creams/beiges because brands don't even stay consistent with their own colours.

>>8988618
>>8988605
>trying to match white
I don't even have the option of dumping it in a vat of dye. Matching any color is suffering, especially between different brands.

>>8988670
>>8988674
True. In fact, fuck color matching in general. Fuck everything.

>>8988523
I use contact lens because I don't like to wear glasses with lolita. But I wear them in the smaller diameter and with a natural color, them don't make my eyes bigger.

>>8988582

I kind of know the feel about the strawberry print thing. There are 2 or 3 I absolutely adore and then the rest are just meh.I feel like last years Melty Berry Princess was a huge clusterfuck

>>8988655
I thought I was the only one. I don't understand why they're so popular after all these years.

>>8988655
>>8988687
A while ago I gave in and bought a pair of teaparty-esque shoes from Bodyline during a sale. They're comfy as fuck, but I feel so awkward wearing them. Never before have I noticed so many people staring disapprovingly at my feet.

>>8988687
There's no accounting for taste.

I don't like most non-prescription glasses as I don't get what they actually contribute to the overall look (except on something like a librarian lolita).

>>8988678
Fucking preach. I mention black because goth problems but brown and white are the devil too.

Color matching is more luck than skill, with a healthy dose prayer involved.

To add
>Velveteen matinence.
God I love velveteen but it's a devil to care for. You can't chuck it in the wash, you can't just throw it on any old hanger, you can't let it sit somewhere too long, and god save you if it develops any musty odors. It's my second favorite material but it's such a pain.

>>8988575
Kek when will Tshirt-chan finally gtfo and stop posting those shitty "casual" coords on cof

>>8988341
nah, not even the anon who responded but you're the idiot.

Empire waist/high waisted dresses
To me, they look so frumpy in lolita, even on the models.

>>8988378
Co-ord sounds pretty ridiculous in real life. In fact, why do we call it a coordinate instead of something cuter like outfit/fit like /fa/ does?

Under 28's
SJWs
Men that don't make the effort to be feminine
Wigs
Angelic Pretty

>>8988736
Because in Japan, they say coordinate instead of outfit.
It's not "co-ord" either, but "coord".
In the same vein:
>"petitcoat" instead of petticoat
>"barette" instead of beret (I've mostly seen German lolitas do this)
>Saying "burando" unironically
>high-waisted shit everywhere
>people pretending that brand is public property and needs to be preserved for its inevitable re-entry into the second-hand market.

>>8988337
>>8988405
>and only wearing it for meets/conventions/.. like fuck, no, it's not what lolita is.
Seriously, I have no opportunity to wear it outside of meets. It'd be inappropriate and impractical.

I hate that you can't tell someone they're having fit issues without them getting buttmad. It isn't always about how big/small someone is. Even smaller girls sometimes have fit issues, and I think that should be considered a valid comment when someone asks for concrit on ANY platform.

>>8988369
Have them match the coord really well, or have your ears mostly covered by your hair. I think I've seen cute ear plugs for sale somewhere, but sorry, I don't remember where. You'll get hate for it no matter what, but you probably knew that. I personally like them, never seen them work with lolita before (except maybe gothic), but I'm open to it.

>>8988848
>"barette" instead of beret (I've mostly seen German lolitas do this)
Probably because in german it's called a "Barett".

Normie shoes and blouses with Lolita.

>>8988252
10/10 maximum triggered

>People bitching about knees showing so now people buy under skirts that look like shit

I'm I the only one who doesn't mind a little knee? Obviously not too short but it seems like western lolita's fear of showing knee has made people wear under skirts that ruin the lolita silhouette.

Nitpickers who have been in the fashion for less than a year and have one shitty coord. Or none at all.

>>8988899
On that note, I hate it when people bitch about other people only wearing lolita to meets and tea parties because most of the time it just sounds like them schlicking to the fact that they're "more lifestyle" than the rest of us.

Half the comments on cgl

>Girls who demand Brando quality at a Walmart price
>People who buy lots of Bodyline but then feel ashamed they wear "off-brand" Lolita
>New Lolitas who try to conflate style rules with the oppression experienced by people in war torn 3rd world counties
> J-fashion lovers who look fine as they are (some mixture of concepts from different styles) but desperately want to be called a Lolita because it's the popular thing to be associated with.
> People who "Identify" as Lolita, for YEARS, but never buy or sew anything.
>People who feel "uncomfortable" wearing Lolita because of it's core style points, so never wear it, but who still "Identify" as Lolita and go to meets.

>>8988930
Agreed. If Maki and Asuka show their knees, I won't worry about mine.

All of these retarded opinions

>>8988943
>>Girls who demand Brando quality at a Walmart price
I just had 2 of these yesterday
Totally annoying, they keep insisting about getting brand (only AP or BTSSB) at less than 50$. And only the latests and popular dresses of course.

When dumb fucks use 4chan lingo on Facebook or openly talk about /cgl/ in person. It's so embarrassing. It's anonymous for a reason. I feel like this is the lolita kkk sometimes.

>>8988389
AP destroyer print fucking when

>>8988346
>'Cord'

>>8988348
>Skin gap
Tbh I think this can be cute on non-obese legs. Reminds me of oldschool.

>>8988782
is 28 really that special that it's your lower bound, or are you 28???

>>8988910
I guess that's because people aren't going to give up a dress once they've bought it, but they're not going to do anything about altering it (costs money) or altering their body either.

>>8988494
>Bearded lolitas
But really, what about the menz?!

>>8988848
uuuugh that last one, yes!

>>8988252
>the blind leading the blind when newbs try to show off their expertise to other newbs
>the cringeworthy memory that I was like that when I was new

>>8988494
>Bearded attention whores
This times a thousand.

>>8988977
When people greentext on Facebook.........

To add to your point, it seems like they're trying to be up front about their bitchiness, like for some reason that gives them a pass to be nasty IRL. Like 'oh yeah I go on cgl but I'm not fake I'm REAL about it'
Like fuck offffffff

>>8988943
>Girls who demand Brando quality
>Brando quality

>>8988977
holy shit. my stomach just turned upside-fucking-down. I was following you until that abomination at the end. are you from space? because you clearly know nothing about the kkk, or just aren't human.
seriously, fuck you young, detached shitbags

>>8989022
Why so triggered over something so innocuous?

>>8988348
I actually think this looks really cute (assuming the person has nice legs)
Especially if the socks and dress are both printed, it gives a nice visual separation

>>8988252
>people calling lolita fashion "loli" for short
>people calling lolita fashion "loli" for short
>people calling lolita fashion "loli" for short

>>8988494
full set fags fucking trigger me. you have that much money? maybe you can buy an imagination or something.

>>8989007
Not fucking soon enough, comrade.

>>8988848
I used the hyphen to emphasize the pronunciation- "cord" versus saying "co-ord." Both sound odd.

>>8989042
Or like they think they're special and edgy.
>but I own up to it!!! I only like the draw threads and keeping up with releases!!
Gee I sure wonder who's been posting all of those secrets and shittalking comm members
>>8989047
It was a bad example but I meant that it just seems like a stupid anonymous club that (rightfully) has a bad reputation. And you wouldn't think to talk about it irl but then people just do it

>>8989047
triggered

>>8989047
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0tm17-QYdI

>>8988782
>under 28s

As much as I understand this, some people in their late 20s- early 30s are just as bad as teenagers. If it has to do with life goals and mile stones, unfortunately some things just happen later. If you're going on about this from a motherhood angle you can just fuck off.

>>8989074
Are you new? People have always done that. It's literally what everyone used to shorten lolita for as long as I remember. I got into lolita around 2005 and using Loki was really common. I feel like only new Lolita's care about this, it's a sure sign that you're new-ish

>>8989198
Loli

>>8989198
People have been using it since forever and other people have disliked its use since forever, because it's so strongly associated with anime pedo porn. I got into lolita in 2011. My experience has been the opposite of yours - the older lolitas I know avoid using it because of the negative connotations, but young teens and noobs that join the comm are apparently too innocent or stupid to know what "loli" means and think it's just a cute short form so they throw it around in public. Yes, "lolita" has negative connotations too but if someone Googles it they will at least get pages relevant to the fashion eventually, which doesn't happen if you Google "loli"

>>8989198
>Loki-kei

>>8989244
Lmaoo

>>8989033
It's one thing to try and preserve the clothes as best you can for your own sake (and for resale), but you shouldn't hold others to it. If they willingly cut up or abuse their dream dresses it's their own choice and just increases the value of your own wardrobe.

>>8988389
Set sail for brandwhoring!

>>8989198
Not the same anon, but this is a "things you hate in lolita" thread. I don't think this person was claiming to have been a lolita since the Stone Age.
Besides, even if everyone has been saying loli from the start, you can't blame some people for cringing.

>>8989320
Wow I didn't know that we weren't allowed to comment on people's posts

>>8989083
>you have that much money? maybe you can buy an imagination or something.

The battlecry of the poorfag.

Fatty ita-chans wearing replica of my favorite prints.

>people telling me I have to have ott hair always and no short hair for my triple digit summer.
>people telling me to use false eyelashes.
I'm allergic to glue. All glue makes my skin swell.
>people telling me to use contacts.
I had air freshener sprayed into my eyes and my brother scratched a piece of my cornia out when I was a kid. My eyes are too deformed for contacts to sit properly and I'm tired of hearing about it.

Girls getting shit for...

>Smoking in their burando
>Altering their burando
>Making use of the shirring in their dress
>any of the other xyz things that damage the original integrity of the dress

My wardrobe is not community property. If I have a highly desirable dress I still get to do what I want with it no matter how fucking rare it is because the fruit of my labor paid for it. The resale value is my business alone, I shouldn't be shamed for using it as I see fit because some thirsty bitches may not be able to get their hands on a mint condition dress should I decide to sell in the future.

I hate how tea parties have turned into pissing contest to see who can outdo everyone else and be the biggest and best.

>>8989379
There's a girl in our Comm who smokes, Couple of people hate it but She keeps like 10 steps behind us while she does and blows the smoke away from us.

>>8989413
LOL tea parties have always been like that

>>8989379
Alterations are fine, I'd rather see someone happy in an altered dress than wearing a replica or something. But I really mind badly done alterations. There are some awful hack jobs out there.

>black dresses with pastel print
Holy shit yes, it just washes everything out and you cant see anything, one of my dd's is actually a sweet print in black colorway so nothing against sweet in black, just fucking washed out pastels.

As for everything else in your post, fuck you, old-school is the shit

My personal hate is any of ap's clusterfuck prints. So many times I've been excited about a print only to see it and hate it.
>Classical Fairytales: mushrooms, foxes and other forest animals
>Elizabeth Unicorn: unicorns and coat of arms
>Luminous Sanctuary: pegasus and stained glass windows
>mfw I actually see the print

When lolitas open their eyes super wide just to make then look big.
That crap's just creepy.

>>8989379
There's a difference between making use of shirring and stretching it out completely such that the elastic becomes useless.

People who don't wear lolita (either because they have none or they refuse to follow the aesthetic) but "identify" as lolita.

It's a fashion not a state of being, if you don't wear the clothes you aren't a lolita.

>>8989413
Then don't play the game, you can choose not to partake in that mentality and simply wear what you like, no one's putting a gun to your head.

>>8989763
That and also if someone did try to sell their shirred things without revealing the fact that they're a landwhale, if there's no close up shots

>cringey things like "She's wearing my dream dress! xD Die!!"

I always find this really embarrassing. It's that person's dress, even if they coord it poorly. You want it? Get the money and buy it yourself and stop whining about other girls owning it.

Also, greedy little shits that like to say that when they have no intention of buying the rare print or unicorn dress anyway. They just want to seethe and makes the owners or people who have the piece uncomfortable.

>>8988848
>>8988736
>>8989127

There's a site called Coordisnap where Japanese girls upload their コーディネート, or コーディ for short. That's why they were called coords. I just assume the Japanese adopted another language word because "koordinetto" does sounds does sound a little cuter than "autofitto".

On that note, I never understood why it was a petticoat. When I joined lolita and got onto shop sites they were called panniers (パニエ), not petticoats. Most Japanese shops still label them as panniers.

>>8989856

God, yes.

Also girls who shit on other girls wearing their dream dresses, not for wearing it badly, but for some shit like wearing it in a different style, not being skinny or pretty enough, nitpicking the coord, and generally implying they could do better if they owned the dress. Like, hun, if you can't afford the dress you definitely cannot afford quality accessories to do it better.

Also girls who seem to think they're somehow better than other people for having a rare dream dress, and then they start turning the conversation into some pity party for themselves, their own self and them alone. Why would you even start a convo if you just wanted to talk about how miserable your dream dress is making you, go see a therapist for that shit.

>>8988899
Ah, i mean i totally understand if you can only wear it then. Sorry if i sounded like some elitist bitch there. Just that some girls treat it like some costume and it kinda annoys me.

>>8989379
A-fucking-men

>>8989413
And it affects you, how? Unless you're competing I don't see how this could bother anyone. It makes for nice photos though.

>>8989864
Because "pannier" has a completely different English meaning if you look it up, so I suppose it's to avoid confusing outsiders and newbies. Just another English loan word in Japanese that's used differently to its actual meaning. Whereas coordinate isn't used in general English but it still makes sense in terms of it being a coordinated outfit, or a set of clothes you've chosen to match together.

>>8988582
That's such a small thing but omg I HATE floppy bonnets

>>8989036
i can relate so much

>>8990043
How does what most of this stuff people are saying in this thread affect them? It doesn't. It's just everyone saying stuff they don't like.

>>8988664
"ew your knees put on an underskirt!!!! uwu~" this shit right here makes me want to burn something

>>8990128

TIL, just looked up pannier in general and got something really different from what I expected.

I generally hear about panniers as the constructs that go under historical gowns, with the petticoats being another piece that goes on top to smooth it out but doesn't provide any shape by itself, so calling it pannier made more sense to me than petticoat.

Thanks, anon.

>>8988974
God that's annoying as fuck. I mean yea, you could get some skirts on closet child for that much usually but they're not gonna be the new, popular releases or anything.

>>8988977
To be honest I've never really understood why it is so bad to specifically say you go on cgl. I mean yea bragging about it to people who don't go on it and don't care is retarded and cringey but it's like you can't even mention the name or passingly say you read something interesting on it or got some help from it even just on your personal facebook to someone else who goes on there without people all calling you a mean bitch. Other communities don't have that insane witch hunt attitude about their respective 4chan boards like lolitas do. Nobody in the Touhou fandom gives a fuck about people going on jp and nobody in the firearms community is gonna give you shit about going on k. I don't even think the cosplay community really cares as much either but god forbid you even mention the word 4chan around a group of lolitas and you'll be kicked out of your community for being a bully.

>>8989378
Oh god i cringed while reading about your eyes that sounds awful. I also completely agree. It's really fucking annoying when people are always telling me to get contacts. Like, fuck off and mind your own business at least I take my glasses off for pictures.

>>8990251
Probably because the lolita community is so tight-knit and personally involved so many people actually know each other. If someone frequents /cgl/ it may be that she's the one who has been posting your mutual comm member in the ita threads, which would feel like a betrayal. In like, Touhou fandom it may be that she's the one who called your waifu shit but who really cares?
Cosplay is less tight-knit than lolita but the same can happen within smaller area comms if there has been a lot of drama or something.

For most communities /cgl/ is just an anonymous discussion forum. For lolitas, /cgl/ is part anonymous discussion forum and part high school burn book.

>>8990257
forgut muh maymay

>>8990257
It depends on the local comm. I've been in comms where people (including mods) were open about going on /cgl/, but those were the comms that didn't have any drama on BtB or /cgl/ so it was obvious those individuals were sincere when they said they "only went for the inspo threads" or what the fuck ever. But I've also been in comms where /cgl/ was a massive taboo because that comm had had recent drama or comm members were still being posted here by a vendetta.

>>8989368
It's better if they wear the poor quality replica desu.
Haven't you seen some fatty chans squeeze into brand and overstretching the thing busting the seams?
Now that really sucks when you end up buying a piece from them without them telling about the damage. Happened to me.

>>8989856
I have a girl like this in my comm, but instead she freaks out over anyone owning any hint of brand and will immediately assume they're loaded with a huge wardrobe.
> "OMG, anon! You're wearing AP AGAIN? Where do you even get the money for all of this brand?! Can I touch it?? Pleeeease?!"
She always talks about it in this jealous, accusatory tone that gets pretty tiring to deal with. I try to be fair and remember that she's still a high schooler, but at the same time she works a job and has even bought secondhand brand from me so it's not like she doesn't understand how budgeting works.

"I am a cute boi" and "Male/Female pronouns pls" assholes in CoF...no one cares about your sexuality, no one asked, and the possibility of anyone on CoF addressing you in anything other than "You" is just slim.
This is some prime attention whoring right there

>>8990251
It's way more tightly knit in lolita than in cosplay. Most other boards are much bigger, but lolita is very small and community based. Saying you're a gull just puts a target on you, since lolitas also seem to have double the drama of most other types of communities in contrast to our size. Should someone ever start posting people to /cgl/ or drama related sites, they will immediately look to you. No one is going to believe you only go to /cgl/ for Lolita General when ita threads, CoF crit threads, and so on are kind of a sport here.

>>8988348
I hate this but suffer it myself, have no choice. Damn height. Tights help, though

>>8988694
Holy shit where do you live, under a bridge? Velvet is not that hard to store. Get a dry closet and that's it

>>8989588
Kek
I have the bad habit to do this when I'm nervous and I hate it too
Trying to get rid of it

>>8994382
>"O M G you are an adventurous Lolita, spending so much money"
Jimmie's rustled

>>8994429
Also hate this. Honestly, nobody gives a rat's ass about your pronouns in this fashion. All we care about is you not being a creep and if you can coord your way out of a paper bag. People seem to supplement their lack of a personality with labels these days and it's super cringey.

>>8988262
>mfw i'm a fatty-chan
>comm members tell me I can fit AP
>look at measurements
>5cms under

I still fucking can't breathe. I should have looked at the reviews, rather than word of mouth. I fit into AP and Meta easily, but this was AP and only partially shirred. Measurements fit me, but the online reviews said they ran small and dumbass me didn't look before buying.

How do I get a gf like this?

>>8994637
Just get your AP altered anon. That is, if you really want to keep them and it would make you feel bad to sell your brand.

"Transboys" in lolita. If you're going to make no effort to present as male at all outside of lolita and are actively being hyper feminine, you can't really bitch about people calling you she. Tbh anybody who claims to be trans but makes zero effort to pass probably isn't trans. Slapping a binder on for Tumblr selfies doesn't make you male.

>>8994650
Are trans "people" even human?

We shouldn't support their mental illness

>>8994651

Nah I've got no problem with actual trans people, it's the transtrenders that annoy me.

>>8994644
Wrong thread, but since you asked.......don't fetishize the fashion. If you get to know a lolita and like her, don't be a creep. Generally the same steps as getting a normal gf, but with the added bonus of not fetishizing her fashion choices and loving her when she's not dolled up as well.

To keep it on topic, I hate the people who think that rules can never, ever, ever be broken. If you can break a rule or two (say, shoulders showing or no hair accessory) and still look amazing, more power to you! Of course, newbies should wait to experiment until they're good at making nice, cohesive coords.

>>8994651
Not this shit again.

>>8994650
Omg, this 100%.

>full shirring bodices
I know I'm biased because I'm flat and skinny but it will always look terrible to me.

>>8994784
Im thick and big boobed and I still think it looks terrible.

If anything its worse for big busts because it draws all attention to them and makes them look even bigger.

>>8988523
I agree, and dislike wigs as well. It usually puts an outfit into costume territory for me which is not the purpose of fashion. I just want to see people wearing lolita like normal clothing, not something that's treated like cosplay or something to only wear extravagantly or formulaically.

When I see those photoshoots from Chinese lolitas they just look like cosplayers - they tend to look uncanny and artificial, like they've composed themselves as a character instead of just being themselves.

>>8990254
I used to take them off. Now I just take them off for selfies when I'm trying to show my makeup better. I think my face looks better with them. Just got a pair that's pretty neutral and works for everything and then I add more frames to suit different coords.

I have some weirdo eye problems that make it impossible to wear contacts. Glasses it is for me.

I don't mind wigs for certian occasions, or for people whose hair just won't work. My hair was thinning out a lot due to some medication I was taking and honestly, I just kinda prefer to wear them. But usually it's natural looking wigs.

It's only when people clearly just plop them on their head with no idea how to style them or wear really cheap costume-quality wigs, matted wigs, cosplay wigs... etc that it's really embarrassing, especially when you're over here just trying to wear something a little more toned down due to the occasion.

>>8995351
One of my friends had eye surgery, so she doesn't need her glasses anymore. But honestly I think she looks better with glasses on then off.

I like seeing girls utilize their natural hair when they make it look nice. I'm the type that usually wears wigs for lolita because my natural hair super thin in texture and volume. For the stress it'd take to try to make it decent, I'm just better off with a wig.

>>8994785
I think it depends on how thick you are. If you are really thick and wide, have huge udders, and the ONLY brand you can fit in has full shirring than no. But if you mostly just have a large cup size it sure as hell looks better than boob loaf.

Probably unpopular opinion.

I hate card suits. I fucking hate when a perfectly good print has those fucking stupid suit symbols plastered/ shoehorned on it because the artists/ designers were either to lazy or unimaginative to think of something that actually goes with the dress. It has stopped me buying a dress on many occasion. I swear to outsiders we must seem like compulsive gamblers.

I also hate it when alice themed stuff is shoehorned in. Just eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrgggggg. Fuck. WE FUCKING GET IT! Alice in WL was a massive influence on the direction of the fashion etc etc etc. MOVE THE FUCK ON.

Any way that's just me. Sorry for the outburst. Never let this hate out before.

>excessive bows
>excessive lace
>bonnets

Extreme angophilia

>>8997378
Forgot calling prints stupid fucking names. ITS AQUATIC IF IT HAS SEA LIFE, NOT MARRIIINNNNEEEE

>>8997380
>Expecting Japanese to know the finer schematics and grammar in English.
>Baked sweets parade
>What the fuck is a melty berry princess anyway?

>>8997375
I totally agree with this opinion Anon! Card suites and crosses just turn me off a dress. It feels like every dress/skirt that could've been really nice plain has one or the other stuck on them.

>>8997382
>What the fuck is a melty berry princess anyway?

>>8997380
>>8997382
>Red Ridding Hood

>>8997380
But even you have to admit that the mental image of a squadron of Jewel Marines is quite pleasant.

>>8997391
>But even you have to admit that the mental image of a squadron of Jewel Marines is quite pleasant
>WALKEN TALL AND LOOKEN FOR FUN
>MY JEWELS A-SPARKLIN LIKE THE SUN

Dont make me draw this, im so weak as it is...

>>8988599
Now se can finally have a true Dreaming Marine.

u guys suck, ott sweet is best :^(

People that don't mind their own fucking business and worry about what the hell everybody else is doing. How bored are you? Get a life and grow up. No one cares about what rustles your jimmies.

>>8998102

>>8989042
>When people greentext on Facebook.

Holy shit, yes. Wonderbitch is especially guilty of doing this, which is strange for someone who allegedly hates this places and talks shit about it every chance she gets

>>8988361
>>8988369
Just cover your gauges with hair...? I always just make sure my hair covers my ears.

>>8990254
Op: Yeah, same. My glasses are all messed up anyway. I had a window opened up into them and a baby I sit for break the arm. I only pull them out to read and drive. Thank god I live miles away from a community otherwise my cheap ass would have to explain why I haven't replaced them yet, like it's any of their business. Would totally wear to universal studios though. My broken glasses add to the theme in Harry Potter land.

>>8994649
It was already missing a part, but it doesn't have waist ties and I am cautious of the length, too. I think I'm just going to hold onto it until I lose weight, since it's something I am working on and I got it for a relatively decent price.

>>8988252
>What are the thins in Lolita that some people like but you hate.
The double gender standard with lolita vs ouji.

This includes:

Lolitas who make sexual comments about oujis, especially male or androgynous ones, while crying elsewhere about sexual harassment and objectification of women...

Lolitas who whine when people think they're dressing like little girls, but see ouji as dressing like a kawaii li'l boy uwu...

Women who get offended at the connection people make between lolita fashion, Lolita the book/movies, and lolicon, but go ahead and use "shota" to describe people (usually themselves) in ouji...

Male oujis getting a fucking gold star and hundreds of likes just for showing up with a dick, regardless of the fit of their clothes or the quality of their coord...

Female oujis doing sexy fujoshi poses and getting "yasss hunty slaayy" while male lolitas have to constantly be on guard against showing the slightest hint of sexuality lest they be reviled as sissies...

>tl;dr
I don't like how people use ouji as an outlet for their sexuality while condemning the remotest hint of sexuality expressed by or toward lolitas.

Cut the shit, you fucking hypocrites.

>>8998544

>>8998544
>Lolitas who make sexual comments about oujis, especially male or androgynous ones, while crying elsewhere about sexual harassment and objectification of women...

This, a thousand times, forever and ever. I fucking hate it.

>>8998544
>>8998590
>HUBBA HUBBA

>>8998597
Lel, never forget

>>8998544
This 1000 times

But yeah, I prefer basic dicks over poorly dressed fujoshits trying to be bois

>>8998544
Yes yes yes, fucking this
10/10 agreed with everything you said

Shoes with really thick heels like this, they will always look weird and not attractive to me. They just look really disproportionate to me for some reason, if there was just a little less platform to them they'd be fine.

>>8989074
I don't mind this, but I hate when people like both loli and lolita and think they are at all related in some way. I've met a lot of strange weeb guys who seem to think this is the case and have pretty much no idea what lolita is at all.

>>8998701
huh, I feel the exact opposite way from you. I think that thin heels don't suit lolita at all, and you should wear clunky heels especially when wearing goth! How weird!

>>8988361
Can't you just get plugs that match your skintone? That way no one will be able to notice them at first glance. If they're big enough that people can still notice them like that, then you're fucked either way.

>>8998889
They're 00g which isn't so bad actually. I could hide it, but really I was asking if there's ever been gauges that added to a look rather than detract.

>>8988252
People using 'dollies' or 'frillies' to refer to the group in their posts.

PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR SHIT. Wrinkled dresses, scrunched up lace, gross socks, bows gone limp...it drives me crazy when someone has a beautiful coord and then everything is wrinkled and nasty looking.

I really hate brolitas. I loathe how Comm members shower love towards brolitas that it's a hugebox. You're a guy dressing up in a girl's fashion. Doesn't matter if you coord and do your makeup well. There's something wrong with you and you need help.

>>9000162
Do you tell girls who wear pants that too?

>>8998706
One year at an anime convention there was this ita dude on the bus in a satin pastel Milanoo monstrosity who started conversation with me. I responded politely, since I thought he was just out in babby's first lolita. An anime convention is a pretty good opportunity to try out dressing in something new or different, even if you get it totally wrong and look like shit. But midway in the conversation he tried to imply that "loli" was an acceptable way to shorten the word lolita for the fashion, with a smile on his face that seemed a bit on the lewd side. Then and there my suspicions of him being a sissy shot up from 1% to 80%, and I firmly told him no, that was NOT an acceptable shorthand for the fashion, because it was mixing up an unfortunate anime trope with a street fashion, and that he should never ever say that in front of lolitas because they HATED it.

Don't know if he actually decided to join the fashion seriously afterwards. But at least he can't say he had no warning if he later attempts to join a comm and gets his appearance torn to shreds online.

>>9000162
fuck off.

>>9000158
How often does this actually happen though? "A beautiful coord" is not really possible if everything is wrinkled up hell and back. And most people who care enough to put together a decent coord would probably make sure their shit is ironed.

>>8998544
10/10
it's one thing when it's close friends making jokes but when it's randos making sexual comments in person or on fb it's really uncomfortable

>>9000256
You gotta admit, there must be something wrong with someone who looks in the mirror and tries to convince themselves and the world that they are someone they are not and never will be...

>>9000792
Lol you just described the majority of lolitas

Crosses

It's ok on gothic but fuck not on EVERYTHING else

>>9000162
>>9000812

I really hate lolitas. I loathe how lolita comm members shower love towards other lolitas that it's a hugebox. You're a girl dressing up in a girl's fashion from over a century ago. Doesn't matter if you coord and do your makeup well. There's something wrong with you and you need help.

>>9000812
>lol
>LOL
Did you really? Tell me, did you really laugh out loud?

>>9000615
In my comm, all the fucking time. We've an exceptionally high amount of members who make beautiful coords, and the vast majority of them NEVER iron their stuff. I once asked a girl and she said she doesn't even own an iron.

>>9001199
Ugh. I hate using irons on lolita because of all the gathers and ruffles, but I own a $15 travel steamer and it's amazing. I've had it for years. There's no excuse.

>>9001204
Yesss, steamers are life. Get underneath that ruffle and steam it from behind, makes an ancient crusty dress look perky af

>>9000823
I think you may be on the wrong board then.

>>8988341
How does it feel to know that your opinion is being outnumbered and pretty soon your thinking will be a way of the past?

>>9001430
Well I don't mind much considering soon after that they'll all die of diabetuus n heart attacks and we'll go back to the old way of thinking.

>>8997393
Draw it

>>8998542
Good job anon! Proud of you for choosing weight loss. Keep up the good work!

>>8990251
I've been on this site since 2008 and I've always seen the "sekrit club" mentality because most people on here think they are just soo misunderstood by normies.
It's part of the "rules 1 and 2" shit from /b/ like a million years ago and it spread to other boards and the idiots here take it to heart.
I've had meet ups with people from different boards (like /ck/ and /co/) and even some of those people didn't want to acknowledge the site we met on which resulted in me not hanging out with or talking to those people anymore because that's fucking dumb in my opinion.

>>9001432
Everyone dies eventually, dumb bell.

>>9001446
but some die before

>>9001446
>>9001453

and horribly.

>>9000823
>hating someone for using old fashioned clothes
>cries "outrageous"

>>9001428
>>9001461

>being this dense

>>9000832
Actually I kinda did

>>9000823
Don't worry anon, I got the joke.

>>8988252
These salty as fuck threads.

blaming others for not understanding shitty coord
considering concrit unhealthy and sheltering themselves in delusional edgy pseudo-personality

>>9001644
Oh man, is that the same girl?

>>9001989
keep telling yourself that, fatty

>>9001644
Lol embarrassing. "No one undersold that I was trying to dress up to go to Disney at this Jfashion event where everyone does their best to dress to impress so it's on them not me!!"

She's going...where, exactly? Disney in Paris? How the fuck would anyone in Holland even make that connection? Idiot.

>>9001428
>>9001461
As >>9001492 stated, you two are dense. I just took this post >>9000162, switched "brolita" with "lolita", and made the minimum necessary changes to make fun of the brolita-hater.

Here are the actual things I hate in lolita.

Throwing in any shoes or accessories from VW, into any lolita coordinate. Yes, VW and punk fashion were huge factors in making what lolita fashion is today. Yes, RHS were her thing and are a staple of old school. Just because it's VW doesn't automatically make it suitable for lolita. VW is punk. If you're going to set punk pieces with lolita pieces, the resulting coord better be cohesive, or otherwise you'll look like an expensive ita.

Lolitas who refuse to get a fitted bra. VS does not count. VS abuses the sister-size system by making a very limited number of sizes with a lot of inventory in each (this cuts down on production costs). The employees are trained to give anybody who walks in there a size which VS stocks, regardless of whether it fits. VS employees are trained to sell bras first; the fit is secondary.

Go to a Nordstrom or a bra boutique, and get a fitting there. The bras will likely be more costly (especially if your size turns out to be one that has less inventory stocked). But you can budget a bit, by telling the clerk you will need to take a rain check on that one bra, write down your bra size on a piece of paper (as well as the brand/style of that one bra that fit you particularly well), and then go order on bra sites which have good return policies such as bravissimo or figleaves.

Getting a well-fitted bra will make all clothes look better on you. If you can now and then afford to splurge on a dress that costs $300, you sure can afford to buy two $150 bras. They will last you several years of constant wear, too, assuming you take care of them properly: rotate your bras so that none are worn two days in a row (this allows the elastic to "rest" between wears), and don't dry them in the dryer.

I hate that some people take the fashion too seriously. And vendetta-chans, but you will have these types of people in all aspects of life. It just feels more prominent because of the online comm.

I sometimes hate circus prints. Not all, but some of them have too many clashing colors and are eye-sores.

>>9002178
Not dense, just fell for it! :D

>when I comment on a picture in the ita thread and anons call samefag vendetta
Because no two people could possibly objectively think an outfit looks bad!
Also when people call vendetta even though it's the first time that person was posted anywhere on /cgl/. That's not what vendetta means, you dumb cunts.

AND this thread has been derailed into a fat thread. Good job.

On topic:

abnormal colored wigs drive me crazy. In okay with natural wigs because I wear them when ever I'm dressing up in and out of Lolita just because my hair is super thin and can't hold a curl no matter what I do.

Wigs that have seen better days. Seriously, you can get a decent wig for like 20 dollars at wig shops.

Receiving a used item in the mail that reeks of body Oder. Was your shit please. Holy god.

Sweet prints with crosses.

That spiky halo thing people like to wear with religious prints.

>>9002143
it's also linked to red meat consumption so what's your point bro

anyway, on topic
>insisting that glasses ruin coordinates/'get contacts', some people physically can't wear contacts don't be such a jerk
>thinking that because you wear lolita you're somehow better than girls who don't
>lolitas with sticks up their arses about perfect colour matching, half a shade difference between your pinks isn't going to ruin an entire outfit.

>>9002554
>get matching glasses!
>they're expensive
>no, this online store is cheap
As if I even want to wear cheap pink plastic frames. People who don't wear glasses need to stfu.
>then take them off before getting your picture taken
>all of my rage

>>9002571
Seriously I hate how people get all snobbish about glasses. mine are not even that visible since they are frameless. But dear god no they are not frilly and cute and don't say some brand on them.

Wait

Okay I would totally buy brand glasses if they made them.

>>8989425
I smoke, rarely at meets, but I am always far away from everyone when I do. I about lost it when a new girl started vaping in the middle of everyone at a meet.

>>9002587
my glasses say ray-ban on them
they're hipster glasses (not the new circle fad, the old thick frame square ones)
I guess they fit with all of my coords now because burando

>>9002600
I have hipster ray bans also. I actually really enjoy them but have been told they look like shit with my outfits so I just keep them in their case when I'm out and suffer blind. I hate wearing contacts and they always fall off my left eye.

>>9002600
>>9002724
They look like shit on everyone. I don't get why someone would ever wear glasses like that, they do nothing but hide the face

>>9002731
That can be your preference anon. Keep doing you.

>>9002724
ayyy. mine are slightly larger (more square than rectangular). have to replace them this year anyway and I'm considering going for something that's still large but with slightly thinner frames. I tend to not wear them with lolita but honestly I don't care that much about what gulls or other lolitas think, especially since I don't post myself online much. I look much better with them on too in my opinion, they very slightly enlarge my eyes imo

>>9002428
No, I am arguing you are more likely to have health problems like heart disease and the beetus if you are fat. Not that everyone who is slim is healthy.

>>9002802
I personally like myself in larger frames too.

I had some thick rimmed black plastic ones for a long time. But last year I got some nice black and gold metal frames that have a slight cat-eye shape. They're really cute and go with just about anything. I've been buying cutesy plastic frames from cheaper places to go with more ott sweet coords. But because of my prescription even cheap frames end up being like $55 and that's without the anti-glare coating that my normal glasses have.

>>9002178
Same here
Commented like a dummy and then scrolled up and face palmed for my own mistake

>>9002554

Red meat consumption is actually more often linked to colon cancer than to cardiovascular disease.

>>8998701
Agreed
>also
Choke and her scamming in general

>>9003026
Choke doesn't scam.

I wished she still posted on here.

>>9003030
I hate it when people do this in cgl but it's relevant this time...
Hi Choke!

>>9003026
just fuck right off, go buy a Gothic lolita wig if you hate yourself so much

>>9003036
Not Choke.

Where is the proof that she scams? You Anons dragged her into the mud asking for proof on other things.

>>9003037
Literally loads of deleted comments of her customers saying they never received their wigs.
Go lick someone else's asshole, maybe someone who's not deceitful

>>9002731
I actually agree on this. I used to have a pair when I wasn't really that "experienced" in glasses, and I did like them back then
Now that I've had some other pairs, whenever I look at pics where I had them or try them on I just cringe because they look so bad
Obviously it's just my opinion, if the other anons like them, then good for them! Finding glasses you like is more of a pain in the ass than the actuall problem of shitty sight

>>9002600
>>9003288
I hate glasses like these in lolita too, and I used to have a pair. I'd wear my prescription cosplay circle lenses instead.
When it was time for new ones I picked something dainty and cute.

>>9002587
Jane Marple has made them before.

Bonnets. Nothing says ageplay to me more than a fucking bonnet.

>>9003356
I don't know, I'm kinda mixed on them. I have seen people who wear them well and I have seen people who don't. It depends on the person really. But the large ass ones are harder to wear with Lolita then day the smaller ones. I don't think they look good on people with light hair though. That makes them stick out more then they should.

>>9003537
People with light hair can look good in them if they go for tortoiseshell or just something not black. Will never understand non-platinum blondes who wear black next to the face, there are much more flattering colors out there.

>>9003599
I would say someone that's wearing a pastel outfit it something in lighter shades with light colored hair and then dark glasses looks bad. But if the outfit is dark and the glasses blend well into the color scheme then it doesn't look too bad. Still prefer if people wore contacts or no glasses at all. But that's my preference.

Most of my irks have already been said already re: pastel sweet prints in black, randomly mixing in punk in a coord where it won't work, etc.

While technicolored wigs really aren't my thing, they're LEAGUES better than people trying to wear a very short cut in Lolita 9-9 I wear my hair short when I'm being a normie and I know from experience that I look like an off-balanced weirdo in it without my wig. To me it just screams special snowflake.

>>9003030
>Choke doesn't scam
Way to show you're Choke. Shipped any wigs in the past 14 months or you still smoking pot?

>>9003613
Sounds like you got into lolita from cosplay.

>>8998597
holy shit i remember this

>>9004056
Who doesn't

More of a community thing than a fashion thing, but it's really getting on my tits how some of the more popular girls in my comm demonize /cgl/ as a hive of scum and villainy that never has or will produce anything but utter shit, but then turn around and use /cgl/ jokes and image macros and pretend they thought of those themselves. One girl even made a dress from Derpy-chan fabric while telling everyone that only evil jealous bitches with no life would ever visit /cgl/.

>>9002724
IMO a lot of people look bad with these kinds of glasses, and in many cases it's because of their nose. When people with big noses wear these they end up looking like they're wearing these joke glasses.

>>9003473
It depends which bonnet if it's a old school coord with some white/black/.. half bonnet it'll be absolutely fine.
But big pastel frilly bonnets? Hell no

>>9004059
This shit, i've had some sensitive faget unfriend me because "YOU GO ON CGL HOW DARE YOU HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT BEING SO MEAN I WONT ACCEPT THIS KIND OF PERSON IN MY LIFE ABLOOBLOO"
While /cgl/ do, in fact, bitch quite a bit, we don't only do that. like look at the draw thread for example, even if i've seen some not-so nice comments ("your outfit is shit", "you're disgusting", "your eyes are ugly",..) at the end of the day people draw other people and it's cute and fun

>>9004060
oh honey

>>9004059
I found /cgl/ before I joined a com. 2 years later, and I still don't know how they feel about this site so I have never been to a meet. I feel more comfortable being a lone lolita and /cgl/ makes me feel like part of a community even if it is anon.

>>9004060
Actually, old school bonnets are usually floppy and "soft", and those tend to look infinitely more childish compared to stiff brimmed bonnets.

>>9004079
agreed.

i am not a fan of bonnets usually, but i am curious to see something like pic related (the "easter bonnet" from Holiday Inn) worked into a coord. might this style seem less ageplayish/costumey than the average?

https://youtu.be/OoLpe-H4tZ4

>>9004049
Diff anon. I don't get why so many people get pissy about this. Most everyone I know who is into lolita got into it through cosplay/anime conventions. Some of the most impeccably dressed lolitas I know came in from cosplay and the con scene.

I cosplayed for about 12 years before getting into lolita. I realize there's a difference between both.

>>9004144
it's a way to be elitist. i got into lolita via visual kei and tend to assume most people were either vkei fans, anime fans, or cosplayers before finding lolita. encountering someone who didn't come into the fashion from weeaboo origins feels strange.

>>9004144
Because you people shit up lolita with your props, wigs, wings, costume-ness and trying to out do each other with costume bullshit. There are a ton of people who aren't into cosplay and cons who treat it as an actual fashion. Just because all your friends are from that scene doesn't mean that it's how it is.

>>9004210
>and trying to out do each other with costume bullshit
This is actually a tradition rooted in many fashions throughout history. Sorry other people having fun makes you feel marginalized, bland-chan.

>>9004144
>>9004147

You'd be surprised. I joined lolita with two other girls, one of whom came in from the fashion side, and the other from the anime/cosplay side.

The fashion girl was very good with buying things and putting together outfits and actually helped me put together outfits that didn't come in a set (I came in from the non-cosplaying manga side, fashion confuses me), we're still pretty good friends and still attend meetups together.

The anime/cosplay girl, though. She 100% genuinely believes with all of her heart that the whole point of lolita, was not about pretty clothes, it was about sewing your own homemade costume and attending meetups. And because she came in from the anime/cosplay side, she would only use the cheapest material, take shortcuts, and she'd make designs with sleeveless dresses and minihats because her anime lolitas were dressed that way (pic related). Her first meetup she nyaned a couple of times, but stopped when she realised everyone was giving her weird looks.

This was several years ago, the anime/cosplay girl attended meets only a few times, found that the rest of the comm didn't really appreciate sloppily made sleeveless dresses (or nyaning), then never came back. Now we're going through another batch of anime cosplayers who are again doing all of the above, plus wearing brightly coloured wigs. There's three of them and they're more or less egging each other on, so on the bright side, we aren't forced to watch them try and nyan at us, but I think we'll be stuck with three itas for a while (they really don't seem to pick up on what real lolita looks like despite attending several meets now, and always seem to go after the most horrible anime lolita designs).

I think your 12 years of cosplaying served you better than you think. Meanwhile the rest of us just want these cosplay rejects to not mar our comm group photos.

>>9004227
>This is actually a tradition rooted in many fashions throughout history.
pic related, the kind of stuff that came up when i was trying to search for the easter bonnet song.

also: i would like to know what percentage of OTT lolitas got into the fashion via cosplay. i have had the impression that the costumey elements were more due to:

>relying on promotional materials/brand fashion shows for coord ideas, rather than street snaps
>an online visual community that pays more attention to unusual coords while shrugging off daily wear, the same way Joe Schmoe's outfit of the day will be overlooked while the glowing Met ballgown commands adoration

>>9004244
i can see that. for me, coming into lolita from goth and visual kei, unusual makeup and wigs seem like a natural thing to do in an alternative fashion. but not to the point of looking sloppy and cheap.

i think we are looking at different "costumey" sides of lolita, though. the weeaboos playing dressup while looking terrible were probably the type to wear Naruto headbands and cat ears to school, and are ita wherever they go. the OTT prop-masters are more emulating magazine spreads, i think, rather than trying to look like anime.

>>9004227
Lolitas are walking around with wings and birdcages. You don't use props in fashion

>>9004253
>You don't use props in fashion
you do for fancy events, especially in alternative fashion.

Wave Gotik Treffen is a music festival that brings the OTT out for goths. people go ham for major events.

>>9004254
this WGT group includes a spikey crown and mini scepter/wand. OTT trends in lolita are shared to an extent in other alternative fashions.

>>9004210
fwiw, I got into lolita at the same time as I got into cosplay and I prefer simple lolita coords. I think lolita has gotten far too OTT over the past few years.

>>9004262
and let us not forget the insanity of certain shironuri artists

i will agree that the standard for lolita seems skewed toward OTT, and i also prefer simpler coords for daily wear. my point is that you don't need to have been a cosplayer to be drawn to OTT, and especially for special events, going balls to the wall crazy is common in alternative fashion.

>>9004210
I wear wigs in lolita because my hair is fine, thin, and unfortunate. I really don't bring props along. Too much to carry and worry about. I see nothing wrong with using them when the occasion is right (a large formal fancy event) but I'm not going to strut down the street going about my errands carrying a giant ass scepter with a crazy print. a spinning carousel on my head and rainbows trailing behind.

Besides, it's not like brands don't release these items. AP's melting ice cream hat, Giant cone of shame fuzzy bear bonnet, Baby's Scepters... yes here are these things but don't wear them. There is a time and place for everything. It's unfortunate that some people don't get this, but to each their own.

>>9004244
Might vary from comm to comm. We do get a few blatant weebs, but I think just about everyone with a few exceptions is a weeb who is great at hiding their power level. I don't think we've had anyone show up to meets like that, and typically the discussion of anime/games doesn't even really come up at meets. Sometimes it's not really discussed at conventions. I just know that a number of members in my comm cosplay and wear lolita and tend to take both seriously in their own separate ways.

>>9004249

Can't speak for >>9004210, but I thought that when people complain about someone coming into lolita from the cosplay side, they were talking more about what my comm is dealing with, and not about OTT lolita. I certainly have no issues with going OTT.


>>9004286

It's not as simple as the weebs being badly dressed itas or naruto headbands. Consider that the ones in my comm have been to multiple meetups but still refuse to understand what real lolita clothes look like. It's actually really difficult to talk to them about dresses, much less redirect them towards the lolita handbook or any kind of newbie help.

I honestly think the real problem, and why most lolitas feel so much annoyance for "cosplayer lolitas", is that these cosplayers seem to have no real interest in the clothes at all. That's why none of the itas in my comm wants to try to improve, they just don't care at all. I'm not sure what lolita is to them, maybe they think of the meets as some kind of anime larping event, and lolita is just a costume they need to wear to attend. It's definitely annoying to think that your favorite thing in the whole world is being treated like an entrance ticket by a group of weebs who just want to come to meetups and pretend to be anime girls.


Sorry, I seem to have written a rant. Anyway.

If you do come across people who dislike "cosplayer lolitas", spare a thought for my comm. I have no hate for girls who cosplay and do lolita, I just hate the ones who think lolita *is* the cosplay, and then refuse to understand that it isn't.

>>9004049
Literally all I was saying is that I would rather see someone wear a pink OTT wig monster than try to incorporate a pixie cut, etc into Lolita because it almost always looks awful.

I don't see any problem with people with short, thin or just difficult to work with hair wearing high-quality wigs, but I guess that's unacceptable to you because wig = cosplay??? Whatever, this is why this is an opinions thread I guess. Sorry we don't really agree :/

>>9004308
I think there's a signifigant difference between:

lolitas who also cosplay

and "cosplay" lolitas.

lolitas who cosplay will wear lolita as a fashion and coordinate an outfit. Understand that the route to improvement and experience in lolita is by building your wardrobe and learning how to put coordinates together in an appealing way that makes sense. But they may also enjoy cosplay and realize that experience in cosplay is by making costumes improving wig styling, prop making... etc. Cosplay is really more hands on and skill-based than lolita. It can also be just as costly. Of course lolita can be very hands-on too for those who handmake their clothing and/or accessories. But there is a stark difference between the two. Going between both, you will generally know where to draw the line.

A cosplayer lolita just wants to dress up in "kawaii loli clothes" and treats it like a cheap costume, buys cheap. Doesn't really understand the finer details of "cheap costume" and "beautifully crafted and designed coordinate". Nor do they want to.

So really, two different groups of people.

I wish you best of luck with your con itas infiltrating your meets. Maybe your comm can look into methods for keeping those types out, like surveys or educate them. I personally do panels at conventions to help teach would-be lolitas the finer points of cosplay =/= lolita.

>The new stigma that tea party flats are no longer good enough.
It boggles my mind to know that there are people this controlling.

>>9004262
My affinity for Goths won't let me hate this. But the silken fabric looks meh.

>>9004210
>inferring lolitas aren't capable of "costuming up" lolita themselves
Mah nigga. I got into lolita fashion because I wanted a nice casual style, since, I assumed, lolita was still a street fashion. The last time I had really looked at it was the old school era and it seemed simple enough.

Imagine how surprised I was to see what lolitas had made it. It turns out since some lolitas do not have cosplay, they just use lolita instead to fuel that weird costumey creativity. I hope you understand most lolitas that happen to be cosplayers are going to be actually cosplaying at cons, not spend time on scepters and horned headresses and angel wings. I know I never have time for that nonsense and just pack normal to simple coords to cons because I have real cosplay and props to worry about.

No, typically your pure lolitas do that stuff. Tea parties especially are basically glorified mini lolita cons where they have to out-cosplay eachother. Brands typically award that behavior by giving out special prizes for the most outlandish coords. Tell me again how lolita isn't a type of second cosplay.

>>9004513

I'm not a cosplayer, but a daily lolita. Don't go for meets either so my coordinates are simple, casual and quick. I'm as "pure lolita" as can be, I wear it 4-5 times during a week with a closet of AP and smattering of indie brands.

>Tea parties especially are basically glorified mini lolita cons where they have to out-cosplay eachother.
>Brands typically award that behavior by giving out special prizes for the most outlandish coords.

You're describing a small subset of lolitas with too much money and not enough taste trying to one-up each other in being the "e-famous lolita queen". They're also the ones people remember the most since they have entire tea sets, ships and fuck knows what in their hair, so everyone takes pictures of them, those pictures is what gets shared on tumblr, insta, fb, etc

so all the other non OTT lolitas just fade into the background. UTS had a lot of lolitas who were wearing simpler coordinates, but they didn't get posted. There's an entire portion of the UTS thread just talking about how only a few lolitas were featured.

>>9003613
How short are we talking? I don't see the problem with having a short bob with Lolita, I think pixie can be pulled off with the right head wear, but if it makes you insecure then go with a wig.

>>9004403

You've defined the two types very well, unfortunately when girls apply to join the comm, they will only say they like lolita and they like cosplay, not whether they're cosplay lolitas or lolitas who cosplay. So when someone says they come into lolita from the cosplay side (which was the wording the first few commentors used), there's really no way to tell which type you've got until you invest time and energy into meeting them, educating them, and then realising that they aren't interested in anything you're saying. Hence, I can understand if some lolita's initial reaction is to cringe when being told a newbie came in from the cosplay side, which was the comment I originally answered.

We've had lolita 101-type panels and swapmeets, during which one ita said to the other "hey, I can sew this costume overnight so we can wear them for the next meetup". The "costume" in question being AP's RRL OP set that someone brought, this swapmeet itself being right after a beginner lolita panel. Like I said, they're really not interested in lolita as anything other than diy larping costumes. Thank for your best wishes, at this point we're hoping they lose interest and move on quickly, since it's only three girls and they don't gel with any of the other girls in the comm.

>>9004861
Pic? Almost every pixie cut I've seen in Lolita has been awful, but I'd actually be excited to be proven wrong.

Bobs are wonderful! I love seeing bobs and similar short styles.

So so tired of OTT being the norm
It's costumey and tacky most of the time anyway.

>>8988353
This so many times, i love my haircut and many like it isn't not that special (just a simple bob with bangs suitable for lolita), wearing a wig sometimes is good for a special outfit or event but not for every fucking lolita outfit if my haircut looks good. I want to see more lolitas use their natural hair instead of wigs.
>>8988405
Anon, i totally agree with you. Lolita become a cosplay thing for efame instead to wear it as a street style, for this we have haters of casual lolita or they scream "boring/plain" if they see a totally fine coord but not OTT. It's not that hard to wear lolita outside cons or meets if they use simple and not crazy printed items, of course everyone is free to not feel to wear it outside cons but casual or toned down lolita exsist.
>>8994429
Tired of this fucking sex change like clothing, why these people cannot be just females that doesn't conform to gender stereotypes?They hate so much being female?I feel this being a fakeboi is internal misogynism.

>>9006027
>They hate so much being female?I feel this being a fakeboi is internal misogynism.
it is, combined with a desire to remain a child. they don't want to be men: they want to be prepubescent boys. their personalities are often the worst aspects of infantalized femininity, and they want to keep the childlike status of getting lots of attention and offering no responsibility.

it's a last-ditch effort to avoid the horrors of adulthood and being a female sexual object.

>>8988405
What would you guys consider an ideal body type for Lolita? Who shouldn't wear it other than obese to be aesthetically inoffensive?

>>9007016
Men, or people with man bodies (linebacker shoulders, no waist definition, huge feet). If you look like an actual woman while naked you're probably good to go.

>>9007016
As long as you have waist definition or can make it look like you do, you're good!

>>9007016
Ideally someone around 5'3ft tall, 'b cup' or less (max bust under 32in), waist no bigger than 24in, thin legs and thin arms. I don't think bigger busts look good in Lolita at all.

Absolutely a nice face too but I rather see someone with an ugly face with those measurements then massive boobies stretching out a dress and a pretty face.

>>9007090
This, I don't even care about faces all that much. Just don't be fat, super manly, or have huge cowtits.

>>9007090
>tfw 34" bust and 26" waist and swimming in many brand dresses
I think "ideal" measurements depend on the brand. For IW you're better off being almost flat whereas other classic brands require you to have some boobage to fill out the bust. Sweet brands tend to be quite forgiving in the waist department and someone with a 24" waist would look rather frumpy in most AP OPs, for instance.

>>9007216
Yeah, I've got to say, with a 25" waist, I've had very few dresses even come close to fitting my waist. Most are too baggy. I've never felt like I was a curvy person until I got into lolita because holy fuck these are some tube body Asians.

>>9007090
Agreeing with the other anon's here. I used to have those kind of measurements (and smaller) but these days I've about a 34 inch bust (I usually wear a 32D bra- should be 30DD but they are really hard to find), 26-27inch waist and I have no trouble with being too big for lolita- I still struggle to find blouses I'm not swimming in and only buy dresses which have corset lacing, I've got some pretty old MMM that fits well, maybe I'd struggle with MM or VM but I don't know. I will say that being short helps (I'm 5'3") because everything hits where it should.

Tl;Dr - I'm a few inches bigger than your measurements and my own ideal and lolita makes me feel better about it because loads of stuff is too big.

Salty poorfags.
I don't judge you for not owning brand, I judge you for acting like it's a personal affront if I wear it. Don't incredulously ask me how I find the money to buy it or act like I should share my closet with you because you don't have any. I don't make that much money, I just cut expenses elsewhere so I can afford to buy stuff I want. It's tacky to talk money like that and I'm not some member of the bourgeoisie upper class because I can buy clothes once a month. Lolita is a luxury hobby, so if you can't handle people having income to support their hobby then leave.


Also replica-chans. There are so many less expensive, custom tailored indie brands and taobao brands that there is no excuse anymore.

>>9007216
Same measurements here, I thought my body was good for lolita until I got some pieces with full back shirring that are way baggy on me.
At least I fit in IW pretty well since I'm straight up and down.

>>8988361
I don't mind plugs but fucking nose rings. I know this girl who wears a bullring with her coords and it always looks like shit.

>>8988389

>>9007438
>salty poorfags
thing is I'm terrified to let my irl friends know I'm into lolita and have a lot of brand because half of them are poor and other half are rich but pretending to be poor and they'll probably ask the money question that I want to avoid or being judged for. right now I only wear lolita to meets or if I go out alone and hide everything when irl friends come over. I'm also terrified at the fact that they might think it's some sort of fetish when I just want to wear nice clothes

>>9007714
They would have to be pretty shit friends if they treated you differently because you like Lolita and can afford nice clothes.
You shouldn't have to feel like you need to hide something like Lolita from your friends- it's just fashion. If they give you crap for it then ditch them.

>>9007720
well they probably won't, but I've heard them be pretty salty about the kardashians or just people who spend money on luxury things.. It's like we'll still be friends but I know maybe their opinion of me will change and that makes me nervous, that's all I guess

>its true I can get new friends, but I never had friend drama to this point before - it's a good suggestion if it does go sour though, thanks anon

>>9007714
My problem isn't friends, it's idiots in my comm who shouldn't be asking personal questions like that in the first place. My friends know lolita is my life and that I sacrifice other things to pay for my hobby.

>>8988252
How too many weirdos seem to think that lolita coms are the perfect place to talk about their fetishes.