/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8698585
2/2

Now taking bets on how long it'll take for girlypoot to return to her normal attention whore self and create LACE 2.0

>>8698585
so this is the new comm thread?

or is it an online comm thread?

or just a "talk shit about kate" thread?

come on anon, make a fucking effort.

>>8698592
Oh fuck I just noticed it didn't post the topic. It's an online comm thread.

>>8698585
Not like LACE did anything aside from exploit a translator, anyway.

I can't take any of this seriously when we all know she self posts to stir up drama. By this point in time it's become so pathetic.

>>8698585
>>8698590
oh man i cant wait for secrets this week

also if lace wasnt supposed to be all about her then why not pass adminship to someone else? or is she admitting that lace was all about her ego?

>>8698585
does she realize japanese ppl shit talk just as much as americans just not to someone's face

I like how she acts like "omg me me me I'm leaving I'm so important!! did I mention how special and important my involvement in the fashion is?? Everyone is so mean to MEEE!!"

Anyone from Kate's comm disappointed and upset at this? I mean she's basically calling you all back stabbing bitches and terrible people.

I think this is freaking hilarious. She stirred so much shit up with Anime Matsuri but so many brands and people are still attending. She self posted on cgl creating drama for herself ON PURPOSE and now she's jumping ship lmfao. Also now that she has been to Japan she thinks she is so beneath the western communities even though the Japanese are less inclusive and more brutal and the whole acceptance thing is western. Just lmao. I hope this means as don't have to see her face here and on CoF anymore.

Take it to lolcow, farmers.

Saw this on RC

>>8698764
Which thread was this?

>>8698779
Rc uncensored: lolita debate

>>8698780
Ah thankyou. I was looking on RC and coukdnt find it

>>8698585
the trash taking itself out

>>8698780
If I've ever seen a lolcow it would be Ina. Her comments always make me laugh.

She finally realized she can't coord for shit and how everyone despises her for her selfish ways. Happy day today!! Hope she stays in Japan forever!

I declare November 2nd to be an international feast day for the global lolita community. Hold tea parties, fundraise for animal shelters, and wear cat prints.

My comm is holding a meetup at an outdoor firing range, which I honestly don't think is a good meetup idea. Not because of guns, but because we'd be wearing lolita, and lolita combined with a muddy outdoor firing range is a bad idea (plus i don't want gunpowder residue all over my brand)
And yes we are in the south lmao

>>8699071
Tell people to wear all black because of that. Cleaning stains like that ain't kawaii.

>>8699071
Then save your scepter and $1000 MTO dress for when you go to a tea house.
It's a great meetup idea. Just wear black or something that can be easily washed

>>8699079
are you in my comm wtf? we are actually going to a teahouse later this month
>>8699078
The title of the meet is super cringy too

>>8698764
Please don't selfpost your shitty comments for attention Mauti.

>>8699071
>>8699078
It's not even stains. I don't know about pistols, but rifles at least you get a lot of powder residue. When I learned how to shoot the teacher heavily emphasized wearing junk clothes you don't care about, washing your hands immediately and not eating food around recently-fired guns, keeping your "shooting" clothes separate from your regular clothes and a whole long list of other guidelines. Like I said, that's bolt action rifles, not pistols so I'm not sure how much more or less residue you get from pistols but even so.

If you had any crappy bodyline you didn't care about throwing in the washer to wear it might be fun though. But then there will be pictures of you in Bodyline with guns and it just won't be a flattering image.

>>8699095
Why the fuck would you have a meet up at a shooting range though.

>>8699105
Because Misako did it :^)

>>8698711
Fucking seriously. Japanese lolitas can be even bitchier than us, they just do a much better job of hiding it.

>>8699105
I don't find guns "fun" or "recreational" but a lot of people do. In a place like >>8699083 the number of people interested in guns for recreation may be higher than in other areas of the US.

That said, I always thought it would be fun to get the most ita crap off ebay and go play paintball in it, so it takes all stripes.

>>8699052
and wear japanese brands

>>8699108
Well, that's japanese culture in general. 2channel is ten times worse than 4chan in terms of toxicity and general negativity because it's a place the japanese can vent off as much as they want without worrying about their public image. Even things like mentioning you're in a tough financial situation is considered very impolite.

>>8699105
because we live in glorious america and "muh second amendment"

>>8699071
This is what Bodyline coords are for.

>>8698590
>does not want to be a part of community or social media
>will still update social media accounts but will not attend events

ok

>>8699123
we've talked about this before but can someone show me a lolita thread happening right now (not the translated one from 2005) showing the toxicity of the japanese community? Because I'd like to see it in action. Or whatever threads the japanese community uses, idc.

>>8699227
but then pictures of us at the meet in bodyline coords firing guns is gonna show up online and we will all look stupid
and it's outdoors which either means ugly rain boots or ruin a pair of matching shoes
overall it's a bad idea and would work 50x better if the firing range was indoors, that would solve a lot of problems, but you still have the issue of gun powder residue

>>8698723
In all fairness, she didn't say shit about Anime Matsuri until it became obvious she'd get attention by bandwagon jumping.

The self-posting shit still cracks me up though.

>>8699227
>>8699267
This is why I freaking hate Bodyline coord shaming. I get that its low quality, lots of itas, whatever, but sometimes you need to be able to wear something you can afford to ruin and still look fabulous. It's really good for everyday non meetup non photo clothing, especially if you do it well.

You seem to have so many issues with the meet idea, why even go? You either ruin your burando or look stupid. You can always ask the host and photographers not to put up any photos of you online. Most are very courteous about it.

>>8699117
> get the most ita crap off ebay and go play paintball in it

I would do this. I would absolutely do this. MVP is the person who took the most damage to their dress.

>>8698878
Sucks it can't be recycled instead, all that stank AND even when it's gone it's still bad for the environment.

>>8699236
>and will still bitch and cry when she realizes farmers will always repost her public social media content no matter what and laugh at her

Maybe one day she will just do everyone a favor and delete it all.

>>8699271
lmao im not going do you really think i'd do all this whining and still go?

>>8699087
Who? I'm just someone who laughed hard at the comment and thought I would share before it possibly was removed

>>8699052
I like this idea

>>8699236
She wants attention but she doesn't want criticism. Basically she's decided to crawl back into her echo chamber of tumblr whiteknights.

>>8699413
>Rufflechat UNCENSORED
>comments removed

>>8699445
I don't get into Rufflechat, I just browse through it. So I'm uncertain of the rules, my apologies.

>>8699413
Are you incapable of reading?

>>8699451
Their point is that it's not Rufflechat, it's an entirely different group that specifically does not censor posts.

>>8699105
idk t.b.h. because guns are not kawaii. They are serious, and should be taken seriously. Lolita is not appropriate for a gun range.

LACE is completely gone from Facebook. People in RC:U are reporting being unfriended by her.

>>8698585
To be honest... No, bro... I don't even lolita.

But all I ever hear about lolita is how catty and bitchy they are.

I've been thinking about trying to get into shooting lolita fashion, but I am reconsidering it. I deal with more than enough bitchy girls in cosplay.

>>8699607
Yeah so basically she was only ever networking "friends" to like her shitty page.


What's even more cringey is some of the toronto comm lolitas whiteknighting her.

>>8699696
Why?

>>8699680
Good, one less creepy photographer to worry about.

>>8699701
Because they don't have a leg to stand on and cannot accept that she's handling the situation very poorly.

>>8699696
Why are the Toronto girls kissing her ass? As mentioned, she's from Pittsburgh and they're keeping to themselves through all this. If anything, they're being played just because she was nice to their face when this whole thing with Lace, Girlyhoot, etc. has been an act.

>>8699696
>>8699701
It's probably because of Cadney, who honestly has become a bit of a laugh herself.

>>8699725
It's so sad, Cadney keeps trying so hard to be relevant, but imo she only became famoose in the first place because she was one of the first OTT sweet lolitas to post regular outfits and she wore glasses. Now she has nothing to set her apart.

>>8699736
Not only that but for a while she was making a pretty good impact on lolita "politics." Then she became friends with Kate and some other efamous lolitas and slowly started letting things wash over her. Now she is bland with no personality and she doesn't stand up to bullshit anymore.

>>8699052
I would definitely do this

>>8699745
What kind of changes was she bringing to the politics?

>>8699262
I second this request

>>8699680
stay the fuck away from lolita please
>>8699571
finally someone agrees with me. i think the girl who arranged it was just trying to be edgy-desu

>>8699607
>People in a drama comm are being unfriended by someone who says she's being harassed by drama comms and is done with that.

You say this as if it's some sort of novel thing.

>>8699607
>>8699696
>>8699885

>>8699889
Well no shit they turn on you when you pretty much say that every single one of them is a catty, bullying bitch. Deluded cow.

Alright people, take your drama to lolcow and lets get back to general comm discussion. Does anyone else have an issue with loud/inappropriate girls at meetups? At my last one, one girl was being extremely loud when we were in a café and we were attracting even more stares than normal because of that. I know its cliché but its important to me to have perfect manners while out in lolita, so people don't think we are some kind of socially inept freaks

>>8699898
Except, she didn't say that. She said that the western community was nasty. It is.

>>8699900
this thread is doomed as a comm thread. OP started with Kate, not even related to the Pittsburgh comm, just Kate.

we would be better served with a new thread specifically for comm talk before this one's eventual deletion.

>>8699909
she did in >>8699889

>>8699921
They turned on her, so she removed them.

Not she removed them, so they turned on her.

Cause and effect need to be in chronological order in this dimension.

Any tips on now to be a good admin/meet up planner in an shit comm?

>>8699931
why exactly is it shit?
no participation? itas? saying they'll attend a meetup and don't show up/cancel last minute?

>>8699929
>became friends with random people
>be a dumbass/bitch all over social media
>flounce
>"friends" react poorly to bad desicions
>omg all these people i only really know online are so mean and bullying me why can't they just be accepting!
>FUCK DA HATERZ LEL
>actually just bawwing

>>8699936
All of the above, I'm close to giving up honestly. Everyone is nice in my comm they just cancel last minute and they don't know how to dress. I just really need help.

>>8699900
I think the most important thing for people like that is to speak very quietly around them and, if you're a friend, you can politely ask them to tone it down. They probably have no idea they're being loud and obnoxious. And if they do know and get aggressive becuase "muh strong womyn" (I'm an ex-sorority girl believe me this is a thing among women) then they're not worth keeping around anyway, you have plenty of reason to refuse to invite them to things because they are openly and intentionally obnoxious. This is rare though, they usually have no idea.

>>8699909
The western community is bad, the eastern communities are bad, the everything community is bad. We're all bitchy. People draw these heavy lines between west and east like we're not all lolitas in the end, like having a different way of handling our problems makes a blatant split. When people get upset, they like to redirect their hate onto another platform, and it makes them feel better to paint this villain and strike it down, like they're somehow a better human for it. We all do this sometimes. We all fancy ourselves victims from evil, like there is a figure we can dump all of our negativity into.

>>8699946
Try hosting a meetup at a location that needs a non-refundable deposit, maybe? Otherwise, i think it's not worth the effort if they don't want to improve/go to meets, it's their loss.
Do you have a more reliable comm near you?

>>8699946
tell them that.

or tell some of them that.

>>8699946
Make the meets smaller, like going to a cafe or museum. Collect money ahead of time if you're trying to do something like a tea meet. If you have a lot of itas wanting to attend, stress that meets are no-judgment and accept people for what they bring to the table. I am having a similar issue in my comm (I think a lot of the better dressers are keeping to themselves, or maybe even have checked out), just take it one meet at a time.

>>8699939
Actually she pointed out that a lot of them were people she met IRL.

Also, no, people are not just giving legitimate feedback to her like friends. Friends don't go on RC:U or /CGL/ and shit talk you.

>>8699950
Oh, I wasn't trying to say the east was better. Asian comms will rip you to shreds. I'm just saying, she has a point. We do have a lot of shitty behavior that has become more "ok" than it was 5-10 years ago.

>>8699931
I think the secret is plenty of communication. Send lots of messages and love and make it clear you care and that these meets are important to you. Lots of "Hey! How's it going! We have x important meet in a week, am I going to see you there?" and lots of "we missed you at x meet! I wish you could have made it, I was hoping to see you." Like don't be overbearing and spam everyone with lots of "GO HERE DO THIS" but make it clear you care and that you value them as a friend and they'll feel more obligated to go lmao.

>>8699965
>Friends don't go on RC:U or /CGL/ and shit talk you.
you poor naive person.

Just want to point out this post from Kate's tumblr. The gif choice is highly ironic. She has no self-awareness.

>>8699972
You are a shitty friend if you do, anon.

>>8699954
If I want to drive 5 hours, there's another comm. I'll have to try the deposit idea.
>>8699955
Most of them are young in high school they are neets. I feel bad being mean to younger people.
>>8699960
I did try to do that, we did have a some what successful meet up at a cafe. Like I said most of the girls in my comm are younger and I try to make each meet as "no-judgment" as possible. Since I implemented that rule we lost a lot of our better dressers.

>>8699979
Not that anon but this thread is for comm bitching. That's literally the purpose of the thread.

>>8699989
And? Being in the same comm with someone doesn't make you their friend.

>>8699571
>They are serious, and should be taken seriously.

^^^
this as fuck

>>8699900
Sometimes I get way too loud without realizing it, so please just say something if you notice it. People may not even realize they are doing it, they may just be excited.

>>8699950
I like you, anon, and I really agree with your points here.

Also can I just say that it kills me whenever anybody, note just Kate, talks about the east vs the west when only really meaning "Japan" and "North America."

>>8699981
>I feel bad being mean to younger people.

You can couch the way you say it to them, like "I try to put a lot of time and effort into planning meets for this comm, but it's really stressful and disappointing watching my efforts go unheeded." etc. You don't have to rip them to shreds, you can kill 'em with kindness. A lot of young people don't realize how much effort goes into stuff like meets/parties/whatever, and so they don't realize that RSVPing to something only to cancel is in extremely poor taste.

>>8699992
You know you can take something seriously while still being kawaii, right?

>>8699846
Do you seagulls mind if I translate a bunch of posts and make a new thread about it? Because there seems to be more than one thread talking about this topic and maybe keeping a single one dedicated to this "dark side" of japanese lolitas would concentrate things better. I could just drop down a bunch of translations here of course but it would probably derail discussions even more.

>>8699965
If anything real friends do tell you shit without censoring anything to get to the point. Only fake friends sugar coat everything desu

>>8700038
Go ahead. Could you make it a "lolitas in japan and China general" or something like that? I'm probably going to Hong Kong next year as part of my school's study abroad program and i wanna know what chinese lolitas are like

Wouldn't be surprised if Kate made this thread herself for more victimhood attention and whiteknighting

>>8700038
Please do! I am curious to see the other side of Japan lolitas.

>>8700041
right, friends tell you to your face if there is a problem, typically in a manner that is constructive.

>>8700018
>talks about the east vs the west when only really meaning "Japan" and "North America."
A thousand times this, holy shit.

>>8700038
Wouldn't it be more safe to make the thread in farm? Sometimes the mods get iffy and delete everything.

>>8699989
not everything that happens in a comm thread is bitching.

So, I already found a specific fukuoka lolita thread. Scrolling through the first posts and I mostly see them badmouthing a specific person and calling her an "old hag". I'm not well versed in 2ch lingo though so I'm not 100% sure how the story works, but I'm very positive about the offenses.

>>8699288
Seconding this. This sounds like fun. Or lolita water balloon fight with water balloons filled with food coloring.

>>8699931
>>8699981
It sounds like your comm is really small- sometimes you just have to let things grow and make yourselves visible at cons, etc. to let people know you're there. Do you have a couple of core members besides yourself? You could spend some time developing friendships with them instead. A lot of people post about not being able to form real relationships in their comm due to its size.

Sorry guys, gotta rant.
Kate either doesn't know or doesn't care about how much of a racist she's being, both of which are unacceptable.
Using blanket descriptors to refer to any group of people, whether they're intended to be insulting or complimentary, is dismissing the idea that there are individuals within that group that having varying depth of character and may not actually fit the description given. And because she's drawn the "East vs. West" line, or as >>8700018 so appropriately put it, "Japanese vs. North American" lolitas" , it really speaks to how much of a delusional weeaboo she really is. It is 2015 and people still think Japanese people are all quiet, polite, pure little angels?? Give me a fucking break.
Trying to justify this stupid hissy fit by saying one particular group is better than the other in any way is asinine and I just wish she had the maturity and willpower to stay gone.

>>8700068
Link anon?

>>8700047
From what I heard from friends in Hong Kong, HK lolitas are in a separate circle, so information about lolitas on Chinese forums may be of limited use to you.

Having said that though, I'm seconding an East Asian Lolita General to see how the other side lives.

>>8699607 Really? the only person from the Toronto comm that I've seen defending her is Carley

Holy christ it's just getting worse and worse. This kate person must be reallhy delusional because shit like this:
>35: こたぬき:13/03/17 22:45
>キラとルファエロと幽見た、キラは相変わらず汚いしルファエロは顔面詐欺だし幽はデカイしゴツイし悪い意味で目立ってた
is just as bad, if not worse than /cgl/ because it's straight up meant to offend.
>>8700091
http://new.bbs.2ch2.net/test/read.cgi/kotanuki/1362749253/1-100
Also translators won't help much because they use a lot of vocabulary specific to 2ch.

>>8700078
she's just trying to justify it herself. this is a simple tactic. "it's not me it's everyone else" grass is greener etc. only she's doing it on a huge scale based on incidences she has caused. i actually feel bad for her, i feel bad for anyone like that. with that level of both insecurity and delusional opinion of ones-self, but their nuisances and they need to learn and grow up.

>>8700098
ouch...that's brutal man

damn, if she knew anything she'd understand that japanese society is clean and neat on the outside. they sweep all that shit under the rug and vent it out in small groups of friends or online. it's like going into someone's house, seeing their living room all nice and neat and not realizing their bedroom is a fucking wreck.

>>8700030
Guns is entirely different. They are not kawaii, they shouldn't be treated as kawaii. Guns are war. Guns are death. Guns are state police. Guns are hunting. Guns are for serious fucking shit, so putting a lace doily on them isn't going to change the fact that they needed to be treated seriously and not some bonding piece for girls in petticoats. This isn't the same as going to an art history museum. And this is in the US, where we have a powder keg just waiting to go up over our gun culture. With this current culture, guns and a shooting range is just not an appropriate subject for Lolita.

>>8700123
>gun culture

>>8700106
What does that say exactly? Running it through google translate I got something like:

>Kira's still dirty as usual
>Rufaero has a sneaky(?) face
>Yu(??) is noticeably rugged in a bad way

>>8699736
Cadney is a total bitch. She broke a zipper on a dress she was trying on to parade with her friends and then gave it back to the seller without buying it.

>>8698585
Ugh. I've been watching the latest season of South Park with my boyfriend and this shit reminds me SO MUCH of the "Safe Space" episode, it's nuts. Why are people surprised that the internet is full of meanies? What's so shocking about people pushing back when you push that hard for e-fame? It's the internet! Come on.

On the actual topic, does anyone's comm or friendgroup do thanksgiving meets? A few of us were thinking about putting together a potluck type thing the Saturday after Thanksgiving in my comm, so I'm curious what other girls do.

>>8699696
This is exactly the kind of shit that makes me not want to join the Toronto comm despite being living in the area.

Okay guys, you wanna talk about Kate and a comm? I'm in the PGH comm. Let's talk.

I'm so glad that I won't have to deal with her anymore. I've had to quietly work against her for a while just to keep some friends sane. Most of that came in the form of well-placed secrets, /cgl/ posts, and gossip to try and manipulate opinions amongst her worshippers in the comm that she placed in elite positions. I met with only mixed success, as she didn't move to protect the comm or her friends, just her own fame. Now that she has voluntarily released her grip, we can repair the fractured connections to the many lolitas that abandoned the comm due to Kate's toxic hold and those who were straight-up ousted by her vehement insistence that anyone who didn't think she was basically god in frills shouldn't be part of the comm. Without her fame and clout, some of the admins can start thinking for themselves, which should be a good thing, as some of them are actually decent human beings that didn't idolize her, at least not when she wasn't around. Perhaps I can enjoy a meetup now without worrying what kind of bullcrap she'll pull next.

TL;DR- Kate was kind of a tyrant, and now those who are left can make our comm a positive one again.

>>8700145
I'm horrified someone like this will come to my community. How do you stop people like that before they start? Praying for your comm.

>>8700137
That is a stupid reason to not want to join a comm of hundreds of people. Just people some people are friends with Kate doesnt make the whole comm shit. Frankly the whiteknighting is mostly Cadney and her close friends who are being played by Kate. They dont want to believe that Kate only was around them to get fame and attention. It is sad to see someone like Cadney who used to be rational be so wrong about how Kate is.

>>8700129
You're in the right track. A lot of people object over this but from what they say I get the feeling this is just the icing on a really huge cake.

>>8699929
Kate is just being paranoid. Looking at the sheer numbers of who she unfriended, there is no way she 'knows' they all talked about her behind her back. 600 people according to her, and while idk if she met all of those people at some point, you dont have that much to purge without having purposely added people for networking purposes.

Anyone see Cadneys post where Stephany Mi calls her and Kate out? It was hilarious

>>8700152
Someone like me or someone like her? Because the solution is the same. Be honest, be willing to take criticism, and don't be afraid to call out people who are getting too big for their britches. If you are afraid to say something for fear you'll be kicked out, you've got a bad admin. When you have to take a discussion underground, that's what makes secrets posts. And likewise, that's what turns good girls into someone like me.

>>8700180
Caps?

>>8700180
Caps pls

>>8700130
Woah, deets?

>>8700190
It was at a con, I don't have all the details because I didn't care enough to ask but it happened to semeone in my comm.

>>8700152
what comm are you apart of anon?
hopefully it's not the Toronto comm because i remember her saying that she wanted to move here but if what the the other anon said is true i don't want that kind of toxicity around here

>>8700155
>played by kate
Really, friend? I don't usually get riled up but this makes me mad... pretty sure everyone in our comm is rational enough to choose their friends based on their interactions with them, not because they're being "played," what the fuck.

>>8700194
bye

>>8700208
Could you be more immature? Namefagging does not make you *~less anonymous~* and some how less /cgl/
I get Cadney and Kate are your friends but if you could get yourself surgically removed from their asses that would be awesome.

>>8700208
bro, you know lolita is a fucking attention whore game, everyone everywhere wanted to slob kates frilly knob.

>>8700208
Get your shit together Lani, Kate's been using you and Steph for a while.

>>8699267
Those stupid Vivienne Westwood plastic shoes everyone keeps posting on LM would fix the shoe thing

>>8699071
>>8699083
>>8699105
>>8699267
>>8699352

>>8700038
Do iiiiit thanks :)

>>8700123
You are such a faggot, holy shit. After reading your Democrat-tier posts I want to make a deer hunting coord.

Lolita gun range is kind of lame but only because most girls in lolita probably don't have experience and will do it to show off. But lolita and shooting are two of my favorite hobbies. Stop being scared of guns and learn that you can use them for fun. If guns weren't kawaii why does every .38 special or other tiny handgun offer sparkly pink grips

>>8700253

>>8700219
I used to trip, would you expect anything less? :)

>>8700222
How so? I rarely wear lolita now so I truly don't see what the point would be, especially since I pretty much only ever hung out with Kate outside of lolita. But hey if you say so, those must have been totally contrived and fake interactions.

>>8699117
>That said, I always thought it would be fun to get the most ita crap off ebay and go play paintball in it, so it takes all stripes.
ngl I've always wanted to have a meetup like that where everyone gets cheap ita shit and wrecks it in a messy activity like mud wrestling or paintball too

>>8700123
Guns are all those things but guns are also more than that. Guns are self protection and guns are sport. More girls should be getting into firearms. I'm tired of hearing stories of girls getting attacked and not being able to do a damn thing about it because they can't defend themselves. Tasers and pepper spray does not always work. Guns are the most effective form of self defense. More girls should be carrying guns. I'm not about to be a helpless victim and neither should you or anyone else.

>>8700271
and that's why i wear a neck knife
but the point is that an outdoor firing range isn't an appropriate activity for a lolita meetup

>>8700130
Are you talking out your ass? Because I'm from Toronto and have never once heard this.

>>8700277
>a neck knife
Yea like that's gonna do shit. Even pepper spray would be more effective than a fucking knife Jesus fucking Christ anon. And still if you don't like the idea don't go but you don't have to be a bitch about other people wanting to do it.

>>8700194
either provide some proof or stop lying in a bad attempt to shit stir

>>8699071
So? Who fucking cares. did your comm say you HAD to wear brand?

it's not like they are focing you to go

>>8699095
>keeping your "shooting" clothes separate from your regular clothes

your teacher sounds like a fucking retard. Guns arent the same they were 100 years ago. I

>>8700129
From running this through a couple translators, it looks like they're saying Rufaero is fake like she Photoshops her pictures or wears too much make up or something.

>>8700271
>More girls should be getting into firearms
I'm spending all this goddamn money on fancy dresses and now I need to buy guns too? I'm not made of cash.

>>8700271
>>8700271
^this
we need to be able to protect ourselves. There are more guns in america than there are people, with the threats and even murders on lolitas from stalkers, we need to be able to potect ourselves with firearms.

>>8700305
>we
speak for yourself, paranoia-chan. how's the weather down in the confederacy?

>>8700271
I agree, let's just all get guns and fucking shoot everyone, because all of us are totally mentally stable and completely responsible, no one will be paranoid and shoot the first person who walks up to them to compliment their coord or ask for directions.
>guns! what could possibly go wrong?

>>8700253
>>8700305
>>8700271
>>8700310
>>8700313
oh god can we please not have a firearms debate in the comm thread?

>>8700277
>neck knife
What are you going to do? Shave my beard?

How about you EDC some situational awareness and a Glock 43. It would fit into any outfit and you can feel infinity percent safer.

But if you are so afraid of guns why do you call cops armed with guns when you feel afraid. Go ahead and complain about guns, I have them and your shitposting wont do anything.

TL;DR - You talk like a fag and your shits retarded

>>8700315
this this this this this

>>8700305
>>8700310
>>8700313
>>8700316
please shut up, all of you shut up this has literally nothing to do with the thread

>>8700315
Based janitor. Doing their God damn job for once.

>>8699889
why does she bother making her posts public if she wants to keep her life private now?

>>8700256
I haven't seen this cut before is this a new one that they are making? Because I think I need it.

>>8700315
Fucking seriously. Hey, Janitor-chan, can you come clean this shit up?

>>8700334
They're rereleasing it in a new cut and it'll be printed on chiffon too. And I think a new colorway too iirc

>>8700180
yeah, about those caps anon

>>8700331
ATTENTION
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>>8700337
late-chan is late

>>8699571

>Lolita is not appropriate for a gun range.

Jokes on you

>>8700343
Yeah that looks tacky and edgy-tryhard. The only way I see lolita and firearms working is something along the lines of a redingote-inspired coord with an antique hunting rifle or one of those Tiffany revolvers.

sage for OT

>>8700341
Nicely put. so much truth!

>>8700343
And I thought it was a well known fact that most seagulls bfs are /k/ommandos.

>>8700352
>not knowing who that is
holy fuck how new are you?

>>8700352
>>8700375
shit I remember when shooting in lolita was the new popular thing for all lolitas to do, back when Aoki Misako said that she enjoyed shooting guns herself, along side Midori Fukasawa

>>8700370
Can confirm.

>>8700340
Sorry I was at work and couldn't cap them. Cadney deleted her whole post too.

Basically Stephany wrote it was shitty of Kate to throw the whole western comm under the bus and that Kate was only in this for efame.

Cadney retaliated as well as some Canadian Lolitas that Kate is normal chill girl out of Lolita and doesn't deserve this.

One of the girls wrote that it was ironic to call out Kate an efame whore when Stephany was just as much.

It ended up with steph and a bunch of Kate whiteknights bickering over Kate drama.

>>8699267
you could just... not go

>all these newfags forgetting that Sumire Uesaka, (model for Baby) is a self professed gun otaku and Russian military enthusiast.
>all these fags going on about how lolita and guns don't mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TKRRs9tjuI

It's like summer all over again in here.
>>8700370
it's funny because both my current and ex bfs are /k/ommandos

>all these newfags forgetting that Sumire Uesaka, (model for Baby) is a self professed gun otaku and Russian military enthusiast.
>all these fags going on about how lolita and guns don't mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TKRRs9tjuI [Embed]

It's like summer all over again in here.
>>8700393
>>8700370
it's funny because both my current and ex bfs are /k/ommandos.

>>8700402
no one cares

>>8700394
thanks anon. i'm shocked stephany would bother to comment. From what i hear she's pretty chill. She's kinda right though, and I am also shocked that the Canadian Lolita's are not pissed about kate lumping them all in the same boat. They must not want to lose their ties. IMO I thought Kate was chill before today. I am not sure why she wanted to be the "FACE" of LACE but that was a bad move. well drama over for a bit perhaps?

>>8700405
>says the newfag
lurk more

>>8700405
>no one cares about influential Lolita's who shape the fashion
More like no one cares that you're ass blasted over the fact that guns can go with lolita just fine

>>8699889
boohoo. im a primary schooler and the other kids are so meeeaaaaannnnn so i'll just play on my own.

>>8700394
>"What Kate said was wrong."
>"BUT WE KNOW KATE AND SHE IS NICE TO US."
They're the kind of people who say that someone has never did anything bad to them personally, so therefore they can't understand why others would be upset at the sweeping generalized statements that could be applicable to anyone who's not Kate's bestie or acquaintence. In other words, they're saying it's not their problem but at the same time want to shield Kate from the retaliatory feedback. It's like a bunch of high schoolers who can't admit wrongdoing, or at least be smart enough to not talk about it. I though this was a lesson everyone learned socially in high school? Are these girls sheltered or what?

>>8700407
>Stephany
>Pretty chill
Lol no she's a meddling bitch who doesn't know when to shut up. Wasn't surprised she commented about kate but glad someone as annoyingly persistent as her is arguing with the white knights.

>>8700424
the right girl for the job then.

>>8700417
good friends know when to tell their friend to sit the fuck down. none of them are good friends. 5 years from now when some of them leave lolita for life shit, they will all find out who actually cares.

>>8700417
FEEDBACK
do you even know what that means

>>8700429
..when a person makes a statement and others give their opinions on that statement. Most people use it as a general way to improve themselves, or get butthurt. Where are you going with this exactly?

>>8700078
how old is she anyway?

>>8700447
like 30

>>8700145
I'm about 2 hours away from you guys and in the group but honestly she's part of the reason i've never come to a meet up yet. She seemed like she would not be very nice to someone who was head to toe brand. I don't know how true that is though.

>>8699976
Ugh. You know, nobody has mentioned this, but Persians are very prone to FIP, which is a fatal, incurable disease that kills kittens. It's caused by the coronavirus, which can affect cats without causing FIP, but in some cases a very stressful event can cause coronavirus to mutate, causing the kitten to have FIP. It's literally one of the most heartbreaking things in the world to deal with. If the kitten does get/have FIP, poor thing might even die in quarantine, and she'll have at best a year to spend with her. It's just bad and selfish of her to take this cat with her on sooooo many levels.

>>8700404
so is my husband
I had no idea this was a common thing

>>8698677

If you're talking about Engrish Fedoraface, dude was straight mental. I doubt they had any kind of arrangement.

>>8700404
She's so cute

>>8700459
/k/ and /cgl/ have always had a close bond. There's even a seagull who makes /k/ videos out there I do believe. lemme see if I can find her.

>>8700467
>>8700469
Adorable girls, but god I just think posing with assault weapons is one of the cringiest things a person can do.

>>8700470
>calling some of the most influential people in Lolita cringy.

>>8700475
we get it anon, you're edgy as fuck
but it's not relevant to the thread and no one actually cares

>>8700459
>>8700469
found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLIoX6AsHJg

>>8700470
you know, some of the dresses you have were probably designed by some of those "cringy" people if you have anything made by Baby.

>>8700106

Honne and tatemae, yo

>>8699900
OP meant for this to be an online community thread, so the closure of LACE is completely relevant

>>8700478
>facebookfilename
>saving reaction images from fagbook
>calling others edgy

>>8700478
>being this salty

>>8700407
In one of the comments Stephany wrote the reason why she commented was because during the whole AM ordeal, when Stephany was talking to her, Kate would twist every story about herself and post misleading info.

Kate was much more invested in promoting LACE than actually posting the truths of AM.

>>8700479
cute
subscribed

>>8700404
I didn't have any idea this was a thing either. The bf is getting a rifle for christmas and everything. I know nothing about guns, though, it's more of a shared interest in history.

>>8700509
there's a reason images like >>8700370 exist. I think there are more out there somewhere.

My fiance takes me out shooting a lot, he's a collector and has a lot of historically significant firearms.
I think putting together military themed coords with firearms would work really well and I want to do something along those lines personally, since his WWII era firearms would complement a sailor/dress uniform themed coord.

>>8700520
Mine's just started his collection, but he's aiming for WWII too! I never thought about coording to the time period, but it makes me wish historically accurate military lolita were a thing.

>>8700531
There have been some interesting releases by metamorphose along the lines of military styled Lolita, including their more controversial Nazi themed lolita releases.

Although, some of their sailor military style dresses are to die for. It just really sucks that they sell out as fast as they do, and then never reappear on the market again, not even lacemarket or other secondary markets.

>>8700452
oh wow...

>>8700491
Can confirm. Which is why she posted that interview with an anon and then retracted because it turned out to be gossip and vendetta shit.

>>8700424
Hi Lani

>>8700531
>>8700532
Military styled lolita I think is a smaller niche in the lolita community. Metamorphose is the only name brand that I know of that releases the style regularly, but I know military style releases are popular with many indie brands like Infanta.

Has anyone ever played party games at a meet up before? My friend and I want to make our meets a bit more interactive. We were thinking a photo scavenger hunt or BINGO. I would really like for the grand prize to be something epic like brand trinkets, but I am on the fence about asking people to throw in $10 or something in order to come. What would be a good venue for that too? Cafe, rec center? Maybe someone's house?

>>8700544
For our picnic meets, we usually have one lolita that is stocked with board games and we'll play Headbandz or Apples to Apples or something. Cards Against Humanity if it's at a house and later on in the evening. Asking people to pay money to a game they didn't really agree to playing and is just for fun is a bit silly, I'd say if you want to award prizes get some cute cheap accessories from F21 and some cookies/candy. They're there for a fun meet, not to compete for brand.

>>8700543
just looked up some infanta dressed and found this
http://www.my-lolita-dress.com/rose-medal-lolita-jackets-with-three-colors-inf014

This looks warm as fuck and It makes me want to buy it and wear it all winter

>>8700543
I'm a fucking slut for military Lolita

>>8700558
haven't been on CoF too much lately, but I've only seen a couple people post military lolita myself. wish more people would get into it.

HD did one that was really fucking nice and about made me a full blown lesbian with how well she put it together.

>>8700475
Justin Bieber is "influential" but is super cringey, you can be cool in some areas and be an edgelord cringe factory in others anon.
>>8700479
I have friends who make me cringe sometimes, just because something someone does is cringey doesn't make them a bad person. But it doesn't make their gun fetish any less cringe

>>8700563
Same! I wish Indie brands would do it more, I own one military set so far

>>8700567
and? who fucking cares? I only see you complaining.
you can't make me not like military lolita and you can't make me not like guns, nor will you stop me from posting in lolita with guns.

>>8700469
Proper trigger safety + lolita
so rare
so wonderful
I'm looking for a cute dress I can make look detective-like to wear with my shoulder holster.

>>8700469
its because they're closet /k/s in /cgl/ and closet /cgl/s in /k/. it only grew into more when that one Lolita was murdered and some seagulls asked about handgun choices and self defense which was around the time mugi-chan came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OvWWfEOvYs

>>8700558
hey valle

>>8700567
>I'm the only one who finds this cringy so it must be cringy to everyone else
Fuck off
>>8700570
Hnng, I'm planning on buying my first military themed coord this Christmas probably.
I've been planning on doing it for some time

>>8700574
Then there's the notorious tripfag Fandre as well, although I do believe he's more trolling with it than anything, but at the very least, it does seem he knows a bit about the fashion... or maybe it's mugi chan just dressing him up?

I think it's pretty obvious from this video they are just fucking around with /k/ and /cgl/ at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVwar3rcPk

>>8700578
Ooo! It makes me happy to hear that there's others out there since there aren't many in my comm that are into military Lolita
>no longer a lone military Lolita

>>8700576
Who? I'm sorry, I think you have me confused with someone else

>>8700582
jesus, I can see why /k/ would get so upset over that
but that poor chess chocolate skirt.
they had to have been trolling about getting grease all over it right?

right?

Otherwise, the humor was pretty great

>>8700601
I really want to attend a lolita con in military lolita, I've never personally met another lolita dressed in military lolita but I think it would be great if there could be a meet at a major con between other lolitas who enjoy the military style and can get some kind of group meet or picture shoot.

>>8700608
From her videos she sounds like she cares about her brand so I'm sure she takers care of it.

>>8700620
I agree! There's a con in April that's always freezing, so I'll wear military to that if I end up going!

Odds are slim, but are you on the West Coast by any chance?

>>8700636
I'm sure mugi takes care of her brand, but my just bf told me the rifle the brolita has is worth $15,000, and he has several in the video.

Which makes me wonder.

>>8700638
Mid west unfortunately :(

>>8700643
Oh shit
I'm from the midwest originally, good luck on your quest anon! I've never spoken to another fan of military Lolita before, but I wish you the best

>>8700574
>sa/k/uya
Haven't seen him post in a while.

>>8700647
Thank you!
One of these days I'll make it out to a western con, probably anime expo or something.
Glad to know I'm not the only Mil-lolita out there

>>8700642
Other gun nuts I asked last time i saw this say that is a really common cheap weapon that looks really close to a gun worth 15,000.

>>8700672
The knock-off, the PSL, is about 1,500, but the real thing would be in that price range.

>>8700672
Looks close, but internally completely different. The PSL is based off of the RPK and it's completely different from the Dragunov.
Mugi's got a video with close-ups and internal shots on her channel. It's definitely a Dragunov.

>>8698713
Yes.
She deleted me, too. The whole thing made me eye roll and move on. I've been shifting to lone lolita for a while -- plus she hadn't done much as an admin for a while

>>8700574
What lolita was murdered and when??

>>8700491
Kate also took information she got from Cadney in private and posted it on lace. That is how she had knowledge of how the KA was picked, she was listening in on conversations at AM.

>>8700785
earlier this year, she was underage and got stabbed i beleive?

>>8700578
I think it's cringy as shit as well but haven't participated in the thread so far because it's dumb. Just because others aren't piping up doesn't mean nobody agrees with that anon.

Is it safe to assume all gun-chans here are from North America, by the way?

>>8700787
Why would Cadney not be pissed about a betrayal of trust like that?

>>8700785
An Australian teenage girl, it was very tragic, she was attacked by some maniac out of the blue while out on a run in a park or something.

>>8700642
Sorry to break it to you anon but that skirt wasn't mine. It was Flandre's and he fucked it up. Whether or not it was a replica the world may never know. I don't even know.

>>8700672
The one in the video is definitely real, not a knockoff. >>8700705 is correct.
Google "PSL rifle" in images, then look closely at the pictures. You'll see the PSL is different.

>>8700836

>>8700822
She believes in Kate being a good person. It's hard to hang out with someone who seems nice and wants to be your friend and see that they are leeching off of you. Instead you can say oh she didn't know better or was trying to help. Did Kate help at all with am drama? Or did she use her famous friends and lace to bring attention to herself?

>>8700370
Unfortunately true. I don't super care for my bf being into guns but I do my best to be a little interested in it bc it's his hobby and he gives mine the same respect

>>8700822
Because Kate's friends are always on her side and will leave the sinking ship with her. The first are already leaving.

>>8700867
you say that like it's a bad thing.

I really had no interest in firearms before dating my current bf, and, naturally, he had no interest or knowledge of lolita fashion before he dated me, however, over the years, we ended up enjoying eachother's hobbies.

I think it's inevitable over the years. When you are sitting on your bed with your bf, on the computer reading about the latest drama, start laughing, and he wants to know what you are laughing about, you try and explain to him the best you can why you find something funny right? even if he's not in the complete know how.

Or when he's sitting there laughing his ass off over some video he found on /k/, and you snuggle next to him and see what's so funny. and continue to watch a /k/ related video with him.

The times you get super excited when you buy your dream dress and you just want to tell him about it. Or when he asks you want you want from Christmas and you tell him some lolita item and explain why you want it.

There's really no avoiding it, and eventually he got me into guns and I found I really enjoy them. I find the same humor he finds funny now when I watch gun humor videos with him, and at the same time, he's now gotten into Ouji/Kodona/Aristocrat and knows all the brands, how to buy online from japan, and will sit with me and watch deerstalker videos/ lolita related videos or laugh with me when we're browsing threads together.

We are much closer now than we were the first two years we dated, and I have to say that our bond really became unbreakable once we took interest into the hobbies we are both passionately into.

>>8700866
I think Kate got everything she asked for in regards to lace and her involvement with the lolita community, but I think the full on vigilante obsession that revolves her on cgl/pull/lolcow is too far. People make secrets about everything from her real hair to her husband, it's not exactly defensible.


>>8700916
This is really cute.
I mean, I find guns horrifying and can't imagine living somewhere where they are commonly owned let alone seen as a hobby, but the sentiment you've written is just adorable. I wish you guys the best.

>>8700916
Oh gosh that sounds adorable. I'm sorry if I sounded a bit off but our relationship is long distance so sometimes it's harder than others. Even though we both have very different hobbies we still share a lot like our love of video games and books. We're both warming up to each other's "weirder" hobbies and we even want to go to a range together sometime

>>8700912
Who posted this?

>>8700912
who is this?

>>8700912
Which one of her friends posted that?

>>8700963
it's lani

>>8700963
Cadney of course.

>>8700912
>ripping a person apart for every single fucking thing
>kate was only ripped apart for the things she pushed publicly and her stupid decisions thereafter

This is wonderful, it looks like all the trash is taking itself out.

>>8700948
You know what's amazing though? You have this choice called "not sharing every little damn thing about yourself on the internet." By providing this, if you start presenting yourself like an idiot in some way, you can bet people will pay attention to the other aspects of your life you broadcast online and mock the mockable ones. She didn't need to have a wedding at a convention or whatever that lolita wedding was. She didn't have to make some great anti-bullying group. She didn't have to make a documentry about her feeli-I mean lolita. She didn't have to seek fame by trying to become friends with certain efamous lolitas. And she sure as hell didn't have to go through as much trouble as she did to share her life and pictures as hard as she did. But Kate wanted fame, and she got exactly what happens when you try to be famous without actually being liked.

>>8700948
It's out of hand. That RC Uncensored post now has that insane Japanese translator person and others just commenting random "facts" like that she's married to a Japanese guy or that she's living with a host. I don't like a lot of things Kate has said or done but I don't feel the need to analyze her every move or fish for details about her life. I wish people would find something else to fixate on as it's both creepy and boring.

>>8700948
Thanks! where I live, it's seen as natural. I can protect myself and enjoy my hobby with by bf and he can enjoy his along side with me.
>>8700950
I understand that. Early on in our relationship it was like that I guess, but I'm really happy with the way it's turned out.
Best of luck for you all! long distance can be a little hard I know.

>>8700984
Maybe putting every detail about her life online like the hungry efame chaser she is might be the problem?

>>8700916
>Kodona
you guys sound so cute but this is not a Japanese fashion; they call it ouji or sometimes boystyle. just fyi.

>>8700984

Weird. I post pics of my lolita to the internet and I never got this backlash. Maybe it's because I don't post every personal tidbit and minor incident of my life up there.

She's left herself far too exposed. I'd be more sympathetic if she was a teenager who didn't know better, but she's nearly 30 for god's sake. I'm a good 4 years younger than her and I know better.

>>8701002
U wot m8

>>8700970
Really? Like for real? I don't tumblr, so I don't know who it is from the piece of display pic.

She really has been out of lolita for a bit, desu. She doesn't attend meets or anything really anymore. But (and I know she goes on cgl, so I hope she sees this), it's a really shitty way to go about all of that.
She's making it seem like it's her local community, Toronto, that's like this. Like, she's done attending meetups there because they're all bitches or something. Why would you slander your local comm like that, when you fully know that the majority of them are nice as fuck?
I'm a bit far out of the city to attend very often, but I've BEEN to SO meetups, and I'm part of the FB group, and this is just some bullshit to say, because all the girls I've met (I guess aside from Lani haha) are really nice and helpful and stay out of drama and give people the benefit of the doubt & second chances all the time (Nadine, anyone?)

Yeah, the online community is full of shit a lot of the time, but setting aside that Kate created all of her own drama anyway, making public posts like this is really misleading and unfair toward all THE REST of the girls she knows irl that are actually part of the Toronto comm. At they all part of "this negative, toxic community"? You're gonna say that about the people you've been to meets with, whose faces you've been nice to while thinking all this shit about them in your private thoughts? That you are "so over" meeting up with them because they're all bitches?
Because if that's not how it is, you sure as fuck need to find a better way to phrase your statement.

wtf lani?

>>8701007

Yup it's lanii. That's her profile pic where she's with Taylor Swift.

Sincerely, someone who follows her public tumblr.

>>8700604
>I think you have anonymous confused with anonymous

>>8701008
Thank god, I was so sick of her cross eyed wonky smile face clogging up my dash.

>>8701005
GLBs, brands, sellers, coord sharers, etc., all use 王子 or Prince, sometimes shounenkei or boystyle. "kodona" spread in the West due to a mistranslation.

calling any ouji "kodona" is just bad Japanglish.

>>8701005
Kodona is a word made up by someone to describe their own style. I can't remember who. It's not used in Japan. It got picked up in the west for some reason, but doesn't really mean anything. Ouji is the right term.

Kodona is like calling lolita "dolly style".

Do these people who think the lolita community has gone rotten not remember getoffegl? It's always fucking been this way, it's just that there is no asspatting central command like egl to hide it anymore.

>>8701020
Ryutaro of Plastic Tree used it, but so did i think a fairy-kei designer recently. so yeah, not a real term.

another GLB scan showing "ouji" in use for what some Westerners might call "kodona." but they also use ouji/prince for a lot of things we would classify as aristocrat. in pic related it seems an inset box talks about Root's (the model in more aristo-looking garb) "ouji items" from the coord on the far right. someone with better kanjifu please correct me if i am wrong.

but even if "aristocrat" is not used much outside of Moitie by Japanese fashionistas, "kodona" absolutely never is.

>>8701022
Except we used to laugh at the idiots who flounced out of the community. Now no one can openly do this, no matter how right they are in pointing and laughing, because the Brown Nose Brigade of tumblr will make it their mission to make them miserable.

>>8701003
Yes for most people leaving is No big deal. Even milky fawn got very little about when she left. However the difference is that Kate doesn't want to leave nicely she wants to paint herself as the victim. She never owns up to her fuck ups. She watches cgl to see what is talked about and changes silently. Her glasses, her hair, her makeup. She pretends she is better than us but she responds to everything cgl says. She loves the attention.

>>8701035
Not to mention all her shit post samefagging on cgl when anons found out she was self posting here

>>8701008
I just noticed that she commented earlier up in this thread too. It's funny how people from Toronto apparently whiteknited Kate (idk, I don't go on RC:U either, since fb drama is too tedious), yet Lani goes ahead and posts that tumbl thing that partially smears the local comm.

>>8701035
That's the worst part about this whole thing, she's getting all the fucking attention that she's always been fishing for.
She loves it too much to really leave. I'm sure she'll be back once the shitstorm dies down.

>>8700983
That wasn't her wedding.

>>8700543
Yolanda and a few other Taobao brands put it out too. It'd be sweet to do a military/sailor thread.

>>8700544
>>8700553
I feel like if you're organizing a specifically bingo/game themed meet, asking $10 isn't out of the question. I would hesitate to do it if that isn't the point of the meet, though.

>>8701039
The people who white night the most from Toronto was Cadney, lani and voldie. Voldie posted in rc as well.

>>8700916
This is really cute. My boyfriend isn't into guns but he has his own set of weird hobbies that I slowly have gotten into while he slowly has learned more/gotten into lolita and j-fash. I think sharing hobbies is a pretty significant part of a healthy relationship.

>She didn't have to make a documentry about her feeli-I mean lolita

I kek'd.

>>8701035
Milkyfawn got *some* shit leaving lolita, but it wasn't nearly this widespread and it seemed really vendetta-y at the time. But then Milkyfawn didn't try to make herself the One True Lolita of all North America, she was mostly famous for being in little short films with her friends. Kate wanted everyone to take her very seriously, which is why she's so upset that no one did so, at least as far as I can tell.

>>8700404
My husband is also a /k/ommando... What does it all mean?

>>8701117
My best guess is mutual tolerance for strange and expensive hobbies.

>>8700912
Good riddance to bad rubbish

>>8701007
I totally did not read lani's post this way at all (fellow Toronto anon here, hi!). She made it pretty clear that she appreciates the good things that have come out of being part of the lolita community, like friendships, but that the bad parts (online bullshit) have reached a point where they outweigh the good.

I get the impression she'll still be attending smaller, friend-centric events and such, but she's going to avoid bigger meets where she doesn't already know people, in order to cut down on her interactions with people who might be gossiping or spreading shit online. There's been a general trend in the SO Lolita comm towards smaller meets anyway, partly because there aren't many good places for a bigger meet and partly because people prefer a smaller venue where they'll actually be able to talk to everyone.

>>8701029
>>8701035
The secret to walking away from drama is to just... walk away. Quietly. You will never get the response you want with a flounce post anyway, so why bother?

>>8700785
>>8700789
Can we not talk about her please.

>>8701117
>>8701119
/k/ and /cgl/ are a married board after all.

I think that seagull personalities work well with /k/ommando personalities. for some reason, they just end up together one way or another.

>>8701124
I can understand what she *probably* meant by her post (I'm no mind reader so I can't say with certainty), but calling "the community " toxic while in the same breath saying that she won't attend meetups due to this can easily be interpreted as her calling Toronto toxic.
I'm, her not attending meets is entirely unrelated to this incident with Kate, and it's disingenuous for her to frame it that way and make it look like people I'll are not worth her time anymore because we're awful meanies
Like I said, if this is not what she meant to write, then she did a bad job conveying her actual point (distaste for the Western ONLINE community)

Guys, hang on a minute.
LACE - Lolitas Against Cyberbullying and Exploitation

...hasn't girlytoot essentially exploited a fair chunk of the global community for her own fame and gain?

>>8701146
Meh. She's upset. People tend not to be at their most eloquent when they're angry.

>>8701166
Yeah, probably. I don't understand why you need to post when you're like that, though. Not everything needs to be said on the Internet. It's just really disappointing, attention -seeking behaviour. Especially when it tosses uninvolved people under the bus.

>>8701158
Damn anon, you're asking the real questions.

>>8701145
No? /k/ is married to /an/

>>8701173
they divorced like a year ago.

>>8701173
/k/ is married to /an/ by meme

In real life, however, it would be better to describe /k/ as being married to /cgl/ due to the fact that most seagulls date/marry /k/ommandos.

>>8700948
I too find guns horrifying, I've gone soft since moving to Canada but I feel relief knowing most incidences around here are going to be non fatal stabbings and not shootings. Also the reduction in suicide due to self inflicted bullets to the head as seen in Australia's ban last decade, toddlers accidentally shooting their moms, idiots with guns in general, gun culture is a bane.

>>8701169
I agree, when I get angry about stuff, I prefer to step away from the keyboard rather than say something that might come off the wrong way. But then, people usually don't make smart choices when they're upset - and as you noted earlier, one of the best qualities of the SO Lolita comm is that people tend to be chill and give each other a second chance when they fuck up. I feel like lani's done enough for the comm in the past and been nice enough at meets, etc that she's earned herself some slack about a cranky tumblr post or two.

>>8701193
True enough. Though I wouldn't say she's done anything for the comm desu; most of the people that have are lowkey, Cadney excluded.
I'm a bit salty about it anyway though. I do hope she's reading this still after flouncing, and can understand why her phrasing was really shitty.
Glad to see we have cool people in TO like you, senpai.

>>8701158
It's impossible to take people seriously when they resort to namecalling like an elementary school kid. "Girlytoot," seriously?

>>8701222
fuck, I actually didn't mean to type that. I feel kinda bad now.

>>8698713
I'm disappointed that she's not leaving lolita because I wanted to get her stuff when she finally snapped.... ugh

>>8701231
Topkek

>>8701222
She started that whole fiasco herself tho.

>>8701188
Not anon you're replying to but god guns scare me so much. I'm an American, and the fact that most people and most households have guns is so fucking unnerving. The fact that most of my crazy exes have guns is terrifying. If they ever decide to go an hero, it would literally only be q bit of extra effort to take me with them. I really wish they'd ban guns. The gun nuts should just buy replicas or something.

Everyone always uses this one picture of Kate to prove she self posted for drama, but it was actually me, a Lolita completely unrelated to her, that posted it.

I'm glad people think she self posted tho. She's an awful person and I'm glad to have helped start a rumor.

Good riddance to her and this LACE bullshit. Maybe she'll learn how to coord better from the "sweet eastern lolitas".

>>8701222
It's also impossible to take people seriously when they react to legitimate concern about the wellbeing of their pet with a mean girls gif, but that's none of my business.

>>8701249
Too bad her Japanese is probably shit, I'd love for her to hang out with Japanese lolitas and try her efamous shtick with them, help jolt her to reality a bit.

>>8701188
>>8701243

You have to put population into consideration.
correlation does not mean causation.

Take the U.S. for example. FBI data shows that there were 590 accidental firearm deaths in the U.S. in 2010. the population of the U.S. was 311 million people in 2010. (this is the most recent data the FBI has released)

putting that into relation? that's 0.00019% of the population die a year from accidental firearm discharge.


8,897 people were murdered with firearms in 2012.
313 million people in the U.S. in 2012
that makes 0.0028% of the population killed with firearms through murder.
but here's the kicker, 83.0% of those murders (7118) were gang related, and happened in major cities in the U.S. that have strict gun control.

So only 1779 people were murdered outside of gang related crimes, mostly steaming from the war on drugs..

so that's 0.00056% of the population.

If you take out gang on gang related crimes, the percent of people who are murdered or die accidentally from firearms is 0.00075%

Comparing that to car deaths?

33,561 thousand people died from car accidents in 2013
That'sc of the population


So when you consider the fact that there are 357million guns in the U.S, about 130 guns per 100 people.

that's a lot of guns, and in relation to the population, unless you are in a gang, there is a MUCH larger probability that you'll die from someone ramming into your car.
All of this data can be found here:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/

as well as nationalgangcenter.gov


TLDR?
If you live in the U.S. and you aren't in a gang, you have a 0.00056% chance of getting murdered by a firearm.

on the other hand, you have a 0.01% chance each year of getting killed in a car accident.

>>8701206
TO is a pretty lowkey comm overall, one of the reasons I like it so much. Lani did help organize last year's AN events including bringing over the Baby founder & designers, which I know was a ton of work & stress, especially since she had some awful life stuff happen right before the weekend and still pulled through like a trooper.

That said, I totally get feeling salty; it's a valid reaction to feeling like you're being lumped in with something you didn't actually do. Hope we get a chance to meet at some upcoming event! (we need some kind of secret bat-signal or something, heh)

>>8701188
>>8701243

You have to put population into consideration.
correlation does not mean causation.

Take the U.S. for example. FBI data shows that there were 590 accidental firearm deaths in the U.S. in 2010. the population of the U.S. was 311 million people in 2010. (this is the most recent data the FBI has released)

putting that into relation? that's 0.00019% of the population die a year from accidental firearm discharge.


8,897 people were murdered with firearms in 2012.
313 million people in the U.S. in 2012
that makes 0.0028% of the population killed with firearms through murder.
but here's the kicker, 83.0% of those murders (7118) were gang related, and happened in major cities in the U.S. that have strict gun control.

So only 1779 people were murdered outside of gang related crimes, mostly steaming from the war on drugs..

so that's 0.00056% of the population.

If you take out gang on gang related crimes, the percent of people who are murdered or die accidentally from firearms is 0.00075%

Comparing that to car deaths?

33,561 thousand people died from car accidents in 2013
That's 0.01% of the population


So when you consider the fact that there are 357million guns in the U.S, about 130 guns per 100 people.

that's a lot of guns, and in relation to the population, unless you are in a gang, there is a MUCH larger probability that you'll die from someone ramming into your car.
All of this data can be found here:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/

as well as nationalgangcenter.gov


TLDR?
If you live in the U.S. and you aren't in a gang, you have a 0.00056% chance of getting murdered by a firearm.

on the other hand, you have a 0.01% chance each year of getting killed in a car accident.

>>8700486
this has turned into lolcow 2.0 though

>>8701268
This so much

>>8701268
I was about to post some data as well but you seem to have it covered.

But what I'd add is this:
30000-40000 people die a year from accidental poisoning. (The last few years its been closer to 40,000)

From kids drinking cleaning solvents and pilla due to irresponsible parents leaving them around the house, to adults overdosing on prescription medicine.

It's much, much higher than gun deaths, and yet for some reason, we don't have people afraid of drain-o.

The problem isn't guns or cleaning chemicals, the problem is irresponsible people. Shit happens, but thankfully it's only a very, very small percent of the population in the case of firearm irresponsibility.

If only parents would treat dangerous house hold supplies like guns, we could bring down the accidental poisoning deaths and teenagers ODing on prescription drugs.

Holy shit based lashy chan being based

Someone help me I'm dying

>>8701334
kek'd hard

>>8701249
>I'm glad people think she self posted tho. She's an awful person and I'm glad to have helped start a rumor.
You are a broken person, and I hope one day you feel remorse for your behaviour.

>>8701249
I don't believe you. How would you get the image?

>>8701349
This could in fact be girlyhoot herself trying to clear her name. She obviously stalks her threads. Unless >>8701249 posts proof she is someone else I'm not buying it.

>>8701249
Hi kate

>>8701268
The difference between cars and guns is that cars don't exist for the sole purpose of killing people. Neither do cleaning solvents and pills. There's no reason for people to have guns other than that they think murder machines are "cool". Literally only dumbass murricans can't see that. What is critical thinking for $2000.

>>8701374
>There's no reason for people to have guns other than that they think murder machines are "cool"

>what is competition shooting
>what is pinking
>what is hunting
>what is self defense of your home
>what is historically collecting firearms

your point?

fact of the mater is, there are 357 million guns in the U.S.

yet 0.00056% will be used to murder someone.

If people really bought guns for the sole purpose of killing, then why do more people die from other means?

what are the rest of the 99.999% of guns being used for?

you can't get rid of 357 million guns. If you tried, you'd only end up disarming the law abiding citizens, and you'd end up with a criminal populace who don't care about the law only owning firearms.

>>8701249
Except she admitted to self-posting?

>>8701387
That "apology" was fake. Someone grabbed that photo from FB iirc.

>>8701386
Hunting, ya moron

>>8701399
You are embarrassing yourself right now.
I've been immersed in the firearms community with my fiance for 7 years now and I can't tell you just how fucking wrong you are. Hunting is a percentage of gun owners but most own firearms for the enjoyment of shooting sports like competition shooting or general plinking at the range.

>>8701399
>the rest of the 99.999% of guns are only used for hunting
do yourself a favor and visit /k/ before posting shit like that.

You obviously know nothing about the subject you are trying to argue against.

>>8701386
I find arguments like this kind of funny coming from a country where competition shooting, hunting and historical collecting is legal, but gun ownership is almost zero. Self-defence is retarded, and it helps with law enforcement because carrying is illegal full stop.

Anyway OT as fuck.

>>8701416
what country might that be hun?

>>8701416
>firearm ownership in the U.S. is high
>firearm homicides are low
>criminals who don't care about the law are going to carry if it's legal or not

your point?

>>8698585
Ok serious question here. What ever happened to MilkyFawn? She quite lolita but now her facebook is gone completely?

>>8701428
she quit and went into other Japanese fashions

she left more so because she lost interest in lolita more than anything

God dammit shut the fuck up about guns this is a lolita comm thread nobody fucking cares

>>8701396
Ah I should've known better. Donald Trump will apologize before Kate does.

>>8701431
I know she left the fashion, but she literally just disappeared off facebook, instagram, everything!

>>8701268
>>8701283
>>8701298
>>8701386
>>8701412
>>8701414
based /cgl/ you've made be proud.

>>8700452
Bullshit, there's no way shes 30. She's gotta be in her early 20s.

>>8700452
She's in her early twenties, I want to say 23-24.
Even so, she's hardly a child so age still isn't any kind of excuse. There are high school age girls in my comm who handle themselves with more maturity than this spoiled, selfish brat who thinks she's entitled to asspats and rages when she doesn't get them.

>>8701462
kek

>>8700916
Lol so sappy

>>8701360
So you need proof for this, but you'll accept a fake admission to self-posting, or assume it's an elaborate double cross with no substantiation? Do you even realize how crazy you sound?

>>8701625
Do you realize it is entirely a he says she says situation? No one will ever fucking know. It could very well be kate posting >>8701249 and it is not "crazy" to point that out. It could also just be some other anon pretending to be the anon who posted it if it wasn't originally kate. We will never know but that doesn't mean I can't speculate.

So calm down, you shouldn't get so riled up about drama on the internet. Make like a Kate and walk away.

>>8701334
oh my god. she gives zero fucks

>>8701782
(same anon here) kind of OT but have you guys seen carly's hedgehog? the way she dotes on that thing is adorable. this is how a real pet owner should act

>>8701790
Pics?

>>8701242
I love how she claimed to start LACE because she found it necessary in the community, but as soon as it was no longer beneficial to her she closed it down instead of passing it on

>>8701794

>>8701798
That's because she knew from the beginning that it was a pointless movement. as long as it put her on the map she didn't care how doomed it was.

new thread
>>8701812

>>8701798
>>8701804
Exactly, she first started LACE because ONE person on here said they heard her poop and one or two other people lol'd. That was it. Then she flew into the LACE frenzy.

Alllllllll the other awful bullying experiences she alluded to happening (but never had proof to show) before the pooping incident were never enough for her to start it either. Nope, it was the poop that broke that camel's back. And when it didn't get her the coddles she wanted she flounced with the excuse that western lolitas are horrible.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little ita? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Lolita Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Alice and the Pirates, and I have over 300 confirmed bids. I am trained in AP warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US region of lacemarket. You are nothing to me but just another bully. I will wipe you the fuck out with tears of precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that concrit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Japanese lolita communities and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, Mary Magdalene. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking ita, meanie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can whine in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands on the keyboard. Not only am I extensively trained in self posting, but I have access to the entire arsenal of tumblr and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable petti off the face of the continent, you little ita. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn mean girl. I will ruffle fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead to me, elitist.

>>8701002

>>8701334
so. fucking. epic.

>>8701477
her name is alanah may and she still has her fb, its just for personal use now.

>>8700407
Most Canadian lolitas do not give a single fuck about Kate, we laugh at her makeup in private but it's not worth getting involved in her social media persona over. Only her "friends" think she's worth defending or even posting about.

>>8699288
Dear lord this sounds like so much fun! You could even break out the shitty guro that you've always wanted to do and just go OTT with ita! It would be so hilarious and fun!!

Or to do a paint/mica throwing party where everyone wears shitty white lolita! Afterwards you could have tea with bright macarons and rainbow cake and go all out!

>>8699571
How is lolita not appropriate for a gun range? What about the people who dress up all period for reenactments, you don't think that they enjoy dressing up and all heading over to the gun range?
It's not like they're going to be aiming at each other or treating the guns with disrespect. You can be respectful of the nature of guns but still dress up and have fun. I really don't see how lolita=definitely going to be disrespectful to gun etiquette. For one, they'd get kicked out right away if they're not following rules, and if they're really rowdy they would be banned for life.

God, you sound like someone who doesn't realize that guns can be used for only shooting target or hunting for food, not just for killing each other or self defense in the cities.

>>8701387
This photo had been posted on her Facebook two days before the fact, kek.
Dumbfucks every one of you, I swear to god.

>>8701387
kinda look like shes saying "im sorry but can you help me? i've gone and glued my eyes together."

>>8698713
>back
>>8698713
Honestly I couldn't care less. She hasn't been involved with the comm in months.
I'm glad she left not because I hate her or anything but because she always seemed miserable and didn't want to deal with us. She wasn't a good admin and I hope someone who actually has the comm's best interest in mind steps up.