/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>starts a thread
>contributes nothing
>doesn't even have a discussion topic

make an effort OP.

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>>8639745
>complains about not contributing anything
>also doesn't contribute anything

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>>8639758
the thread should not have been made if you wanted to be spoon-fed, is what i'm saying.

>>8639798
not op, but you're not in the position to complain about contributions when you contributed nothing.

contribute some, gain standing, then complain.

>>8639745
Fuck off noob
Oldschool threads are a thing. That's all

>>8639864
well, neither did you. the thread was 2 posters till now. so maybe reconsider your argument.

it's not uncommon to call out lazy OPs.

>>8639872
i think you misread the post, friend

Not completely old school but
People always mention bloomers peeking and I don't think I've seen any examples other than >>8639736 so I was excited when I saw this in Otome no Sew.

>>8639970
short dump, probably going to be mostly old school gothic.

>>8639972

Does anyone else wish for the Baby Classical Series to be cheaper? I really want an old school dress but I feel they can't compete with the new print ones in my budget. I think that's also somethig other people struggle with and why ood school isnt as popular. Why spend $300 on an older plain dress when a gorgeous new print is coming out for the same price.

>>8639976
Just kidding I'm not dumping anything, I have no idea where all my pictures went...

>>8639978
Why don't you just buy an actual old school dress secondhand?
They're dirt cheap on Japanese auctions.
Also just because you're not willing to shell out the money doesn't mean no one is.

>>8639970
oh, which volume is it? I have a mighty need

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>>8639970
I absolutely adore peaking bloomers I really would love to see more.

More peeking bloomers

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>>8639970
I love peeking bloomers so much and I want to bring them back but I'm a little hesitant to. Thanks for the scan, anon!

>>8641612
I'll post the few I have.
>>8641611
Damn anon you beat me.

>>8641612
I would do it if I could find any nice enough that it looked OK. Plain bloomers just wouldn't look right

>>8641578
>>8639736
>these dresses

Hnnnng
W2c

>>8641588
this has always been one of my favorite sailor coordinates. I'd kill for a re-release of a dress like this.

>>8641612
I am absolutely going to start wearing them more I just ordered a really nice pair that I want to work into my old school wardrobe in the near future.
All of these beautiful looks are so motivating.

>>8641634
I wish they would do a rerelease of anything even similar to this. I haven't seen a sailor look like this in too long.

>>8641638
Would you mind sharing where you bought them, anon?

>>8641698
f+f have some
you can also find second hand brand ones
i made mine (not them) by modifying a generic bloomer pattern. It was my first sewing project and I think they turned out well.

And for the anon who was interested in solid velvet pieces coorded with white or cream, I found this. Similar ones come up relatively regularly though.
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m145903148

>>8641754
Over half of my wardrobe is velvet, I can't get enough, I might have a problem.

>>8641811
Same, I had to sell stuff but its all I ever want to buy. Not good for somebody who lives in the subtropics.

oldschool sweet

I know this isn't technically old school but Meta is releasing their velvet series for 2015 soon.

http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/reservation.html

I'm going to purchase the ivory headdress and maybe some of the headbows or smaller bows.

What about you anons?

>>8642048
I found the 'oh so oldschool' comments on lolita updates quite odd. it's really quite a modern and updated take on their classic series; those chiffon ruffles don't say oldschool to me. Not to say there was never chiffon in oldschool, I just haven't seen it done like this. Not a fan of the lace either, I prefer beige cotton stuff like on their older releases (I'm salty I can't get a matching headdress for my older dress yes). It does look better in the lighter colourways though, that turquoise is very pretty, and the white is nice.
Ugh I just hate the pairing of the light chiffon and lace with the heavy velveteen, don't mind me. I preferred last years even though it wasn't my favourite. I like 2003 and 2010 OPs. Fleur de lis embroidered 2007 is ok.

>>8642082

Sorry for blabbing to myself. In short I don't really like it though it is less bad in the lighter colourways. Besides, I feel velveteen princess sleeves might be heavy and impractical but we shall see.

>>8642082
I agree. Oldschool inspired stuff is cool, but it's often not quite the same as the real thing because its modernized.

>>8642048
Im honestly really disappointed by this. I liked last years series but couldn't afford it at the time. I really want some old school velvet meta but I guess I have to wait now.

What's the difference between old school and straight up ita?

does anyone know any current indie or taobao shops that have an old school sensibility to them?

>>8642814
Ita looks bad.

>>8640028
I don't know why but I burst out laughing at this picture.

>>8641611
>dat back outfit
it so beautiful

I discovered Lolita right about when old school became "old school," and it's always been the style of Lolita I love most. Modern Lolita seems too trendy, not that oldschool didn't have trends but they moved much slower than they do these days, and the more delicate fabrics that are commonly used these days don't feel daily wearable for me. I basically live for old school, it keeps me going.

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>>8644787
I don't like the fabrics of most modern lolita, chiffon is too delicate and more elegant rather than cotton/good quality polyester, not wearable for more daily situations. Also, it's hard to find a solid or simple patterned jsk that is brand new (taobao for example, last time i checked i saw only prints, prints, busy designs, chiffon, tea length stuff i despise), occasionally To Alice does plainer lolita items, the only one taobao shop in a sea of busy designs. I like some prints but old school jsk solid or patterned items have that feel that make me fall in love with lolita.

>>8641840
Why BABY is spelled like BABT three times??

>>8644944
copy and past, anon

>>8639987
Could be a size issue. have a large bust and the revival items can accommodate it as their sizing is more generous, but so many legit old school pieces have busts which max out at like 80 cm.

>>8644908
I'm always surprised to see expensive chiffon dresses, one little snag and that's it. I just can't see them having nearly the same longevity as old school pieces.

>>8645515
I have lot of legit old school (pre 2005, mainly baby, mainly OPs) and they're decently large, like 88cm. It might just be baby and ap but their oldschool stuff is like a USA 4-6 which is pretty normal sized. I can only think of ETC as being close to 80cm (had some 82cm stuff)
Their re-releases might be 2-4cm bigger, though that's not to say it's not a help to some people in fitting.
This is coming from a big tall person with a 33-34" bust, they're often measured incorrectly by japanese seller (like if I've found a lolibrary listing the official measurement can be 10cm bigger).
Skirts though are small, and old mm/ vm.

>>8645552
Thanks for the info! Thing is, my bust is 90cm so I'm always scared I won't be able to zip up the non-shirred pieces. I may have to chance it at some point.

>>8639970

I own >>8641754 in ivory and want to do a full coord with that color but am having trouble finding larger sized shoes(size 9.5/10) that match,may I request suggestions/links? Antaina is lovely but they take a bit long to make and ship

>>8645522
They are cute but i would be terrified to wear daily or for a weekend with family for example, chiffon jsks look very delicate and too opulent for a more casual setting. I wonder why the majority of modern lolita dresses are chiffon, isn't that durable as other fabrics in my opinion. Velvets and woolen/tartan fabrics (used also in old school) need to comeback too.

>>8645935
The black OP is absolutely gorgeous, oh my god.

Does anyone else here get rustled when people think Black & White = Old School, or when they try to do old school with modern items (like tights, certain styles of headbow, wigs, silk/chiffon blouses etc) Sorta like >>8641834 I saw this coord maybe a few months ago on Tumblr that had a chiffon dress and I think lace tights that just happened to be black and white tagged old school and it made me more upset than it should have.

>>8646330
Yes anon,I get salty every single time.

>>8646330
I don't get upset over it but it's definitely not actual old-school and it makes me wonder how disconnected from the original fashion newer lolitas actually are. It's one thing to maybe mix one modern element into a coord but more than that and it's no longer old school.

>>8639747
This is the kind of stuff that made me fall in love with lolita. Then the "OTT-pastel-vomit-trend" became a thing and made me lose my interest. Dear whatever gods there is out there, I wish I had the money for old school.

>>8646425
What do you mean? It's cheap as fuck and way easier to get ahold of then current lolita and trends.

Does anyone know what year this was released? Or any information about it?

I recently bought this op off of someone and this was the only image I could find online.

>>8645941
I know anon, i know.
>mfw not using OP dresses much
>still want

>>8645799
do bodyline not go up to 9-10?

>>8650836
Yeah bodyline goes up to an Aus 11 and even 12 in some styles.

Speaking of shoes does anyone know what these Meta shoes go up to?

I have a question that I would love to have a discussion and some advice about!

What headwear and hair accessories do you consider old-school appropriate? This includes both the accessories worn back when old-school wasn't old and modern accessories that can be worn in an old-school coord without taking away the old-school feeling.

Bonus question: What other kind of accessories do you consider old school appropriate? Do you have a favorite?

I'm asking because I feel like there's more room to play with headwear and hair accessories than other elements of old school, and because I need to re-do my Lolita accessory collection really bad and I'm having trouble figuring out what I should look for. Headband style bows always give me bad headaches no matter how loose and comfortable they fit and my hair is quite thin so I have to take care that whatever is on my head doesn't look unbalanced.

>>8645552
Is it true old school (pre 2005) pieces are shorter? I'm 5'8" and want to wear legit old school pieces but I've heard some people say they're a lot shorter

>>8650887
Hey anon I am the same height as you and have been wearing old school for a year, I own five main old school pieces pre 2005 and the majority of those are not much shorter than modern lolita lengths around 90-94cm in length one of my old school dresses rivals some of my IW long dresses in length although one Meta op I have looks quite short on me. I think the best thing you can do anon is find out what will be too short on you/what the length of your current pieces are and work from there.

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that anon and I'm a bit over 5'8" also! Depends on the dress really, I have ones from baby that are longer than/ similar to modern releases (like 92+). Of anything you'll have more luck with oldschool ap than modern lengths. Your classic (vm, mm) brands can be longer still, like I had a 98cm op. You can generally tell from looking at the dress though- that plain boxy jsk cut baby used to put out (not the babydoll) is quite short. Skirts are pretty much always short. Meta can be short. It really depends whether you want to let it bother you though, my advice is to not give a shit and to try peeking bloomers!
>>8641611
Don't go for ankle socks with really short dresses, if something is long sleeved it's better if it has lace/ ruffly cuffs for extra length, etc. Think about your frame/ shoulders with more petite brands like mm.
>>8650872
I like clip in bows/ twintail hairtie bows. I can't handle hairbands either. A simple ribbon style can even work.
Mini straw hats, though that can be hard to pull off. I think full sized boaters were still worn as well. And of course soft bonnets... though I hate them with a passion and want to burn them.
>>8650852
Meta usually do up to LL now days, which is 25.5 or something like a 9. I think they released some last year.

>>8650930
Ah what happened to my post
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>>8650872
I like rectangular and circular headdresses, clip in bows, headbands, bonnets don't suit me but I think they look cute. I also think berets can work.

>>8650930
I actually think soft bonnets are cute! But I don't know if they would look good on me, I have a feeling they'd look awful on me and make me feel like an overgrown toddler.
I always liked the look of a ribbon tried into your hair or tied around the head like a headband, but I can never get it to work for me. Either the ribbon slips out or it just doesn't look right.

>>8651673
I forgot about circular headdresses. Those are less common but can be a nice touch.

>>8651728
Pro-tip: tie the ribbon more loosely and it should stay on. It seems counterintuitive, but works. Then you can bobby pin it.

I always loved this one. The peeking bloomers, the violet accents that break up the white, that shiro so white it looks like a glowing angel walking on the earth.
Man I miss cords with elements like this being the norm.

Anybody know where I can find the old VM ads where all the girls had bunny heads? I have no idea what happened to my collection of them, but I always thought they were so cute and fun and would like to find them again.

>>8652749
They may not be exactly what you're looking for but I've saved a few; dumping more in a second.

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>>8652776
I think this one is my fave out of the ones you posted and I have no idea why because you can't even really see the clothes in this one.

Thank you! It must be a different shoot because I remember them all being outdoor pictures but I will take any of the photos I can get, I really liked them.

I admit that I never found them creepy like a lot of people did, but these indoor ones are less cute and more unsettling.

Since the only other photo I can find from this series on the web is so low quality I won't post it, I'll contribute by saying that one of the things I liked about older Lolita was how it seemed to be more slightly unsettling and badass. I love all the snaps of girls dressed to the nines like dolls and princesses that so often have these serous as death faces, and the streak of morbidity that occasionally interrupts the cuteness. I don't know why but that made it feel more real or something for me. Maybe it's because real life isn't always beautiful and has a dark side to it.

>>8646618
Looks like this photo is from a girl's blog. Most of the entries/photographs on the site are from the early to mid-2000s. You probably won't find more info since lolita databases don't really go that far back, especially Meta pieces.
http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-rgos.html

>>8650852
These shoes are super fragile, just a heads up

>>8652749
They are on the lolibrary listing for Beth sailor collar OP
I was going to buy it and found them.

bumping to save from oblivion

>>8653140
>http://www.geocities.jp/redrose2989/redrose4-rgos.html
These are gorgeous.

>>8645935
Oh hey,this is my photo. I'm happy others love velvets as well,they're so addicting!

>>8659095
People's photos get posted here all the time. There's no need to post excitedly OMG GAIZ unless they're actually talking about you as well as posting a picture (which isn't even you). Also, there should be a space after a comma.

>>8659124
Get the sand out of your vagina, anon was just happy

>>8659124
This was such a severe overreaction I almost want to call troll.

I was wondering if anyone has any of the dark red bodyline rocking horse shoes?
If so are they close to a bordeaux?

>>8659124
>reeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8659095
Velvets are my number 1 love, thanks for putting them online! I just have a question, how did you photograph them so well? I always have a hard time getting proper lighting.

Would anybody here happen to know more about a brand named Cornet/Shotgun Wedding? I just so happened upon them on a auction site, and everything I've seen from them is old school which makes me wonder if that's what they make, or if they literally don't exist anymore and all that's left are old dresses. Pic related are dresses I'm thinking about getting that from them.

>>8662354
shit anon, I just saw that - buy that shit now, the price is amazing. I'd get it myself in a heartbeat if I wasn't 100% broke.

As far as I know, cornet as an operating brand doesn’t exist any more, and everything you can find by them is on the second hand market. They were never especially popular, although a couple of their velveteen pieces have become sought after. As far as i know they were a somewhat budget brand although with quality on the whole far better than say, bodyline. I actually own a blouse by cornet and it's really nice, just as nice as the better known brands such as angelic pretty, btssb etc.

>>8662354
We might have to throw down anon, I was thinking about picking up the one on the left myself, I love the one on the right too but it's way too short for me.

>>8663372
You can have the one on the left anon, I decided I'd rather have the right myself. Both look like a bitch to coord though, I don't typically see dresses with that deep of a red so I don't know where to start as far as accessories. It might stay as in my wardrobe as collectors piece personally.

>>8663548
I would say go with black, it's kind of the nice thing about old school as the color palette tended to be pretty limited so black and white were often used in conjunction with these pieces, I don't think it'd be too hard, you should go for it!

>>8662354
Black and beige go well. Beige lace otks, black shoes, black bag. Headdress can do either way. Jewelery is nice in antique gold tones. Why do people have such a have such a hard time coording pieces like this, I give the same advice every time. Anyway it's a lovely piece!

>>8639736
I love old school, but I hate how people post ita as fuck shit like this as if being from the early 2000's makes it acceptable. This coord is bad and anyone who thinks this is a good example of old school should feel bad.

>>8639970
Perhaps one of the worst fads from those days

>>8664124
Why do you have such bad taste?

>>8664129
Because you're ita enough to think not liking this coord is indicative of bad taste.

>>8664142
Yep, you really have no reason and bad taste if you're going to rely on that. It's not just about this coordinate, everything you said.

>>8664124
Lots of people like it, it's not in the same category as stuff like pic related. Deal with it. Opinions and and assholes, yadda yadda.

>>8664171
Everything i said? You mean that people often post ita shit and call it old school. Sorry facts offend you. And why should I feel the need to give more than that reasoning in reply to a post that gave me none, either?
>>8664211
It really isn't better than any of the brand stuff on the collage. Also, a lot of people liking it doesn't mean anything. If that were a valid argument, then almost nothing ita would be considered ita.

>>8664171 #
Everything I said? You mean that people often post ita shit and call it old school. Sorry facts offend you. Also, why should I feel the need to give more than that reasoning in reply to a post that gave me none, either?
>>8664211
>implying it has to be that overt to be ita
It actually isnt that much better. Also, a lot of people liking it doesn't mean anything. If that were a valid argument, then almost nothing ita would be considered ita.

>>8664234
What argument are you making though? You're really just aggressively expressing an opinion. Which is fine, vent if you want to but don't expect some peer reviewed paper in reply.

I'm not going down without a fight. What's one thing that you are anons are glad isn't coming back with the old school revival?

>>8669827
The only thing I can think of is the fact that girls in street snaps seem to have less crispy looking hair compared to 10+ years ago when everyone bleached the hell out of it. And less actual lace monsters. Although sometimes raschel can look okay eg Antique Bouquet and Gobelin series

I wonder when modern lolita will be considered old school? I'm curious to see how the fashion will transform.

>>8669842
Trends come and go, like split wigs, peignoirs, and scepters, but none of it will be considered old school. Not any time soon at least. Nothing can replace the first old school that pioneered the fashion.

>>8669827
I..I'm just not a fan of the black and white, which is a shame cause I love old school, but I only like solids with matching lace. I can't get past it. In the very rare instances where it's 90/10, where there's a white peter pan collar, or white ruffling around the rim of the sleeves, sure, but for some reason anything else just never sits right with me. This for example- >>8645935 I can tell that it's amazing, but I just can't

>>8669827
I have to say I do like the fact that people pose less awkwardly now. There was always something (endearing but still) off-putting about the way street snaps were taken back in the day. Like the girls weren't ready for the photo or something. It is neat to see back in the old street snaps but I don't think it would translate very well today.

Also I have to say that a lot of the makeup they used to do what not great/flattering either.

>>8664234
As if taste has nothing to do with things being ita though. In general with this fashion the popular opinion pretty much guides what is ita and what isn't like it or not.

>>8669848
This isn't the "first" old school though. I'm an old fag and have been wearing the fashion since old school was the normal trendy thing and back then we had a very different idea of what old school was. Pic very related. There's actually quite a few levels of old school already, noobs just lump it all together in to one giant category and its annoying.

>>8671443
To expand, the simple and miss matched kind of old school in op's pic is different and about 6 or more years apart than >>8641840 kind of matchy detailed old school.

>>8664124
This is a Fruits scan from the late 90's before the fashion had really gained some kind of solid footing, or people had an idea what was or wasn't lolita. It's just what some now well-establised lolita brands were putting out such as "Pretty" or Baby. This is just one of the outfits that bared a closer semblance. Pic related is a coord with more Pretty items that bares absolutely zero semblance to lolita.

By todays standard yes, this would be ita as hell. However, back then, it was a cute alternative outfit a girl is wearing out on the streets to do whatever is she does on the weekends. There were no regulations or "standards" like we have now.

>not even an oldfag in this community and never liked lolita back when oldschool was the norm and... explaining this stuff.

>>8669836
I'm so with you on the hair thing. My hair is one of my favorite features, I do my best to keep it in perfect condition (even if I do dye it), and seeing all the gross, bleached to all hell, burnt as fuck hair just puts me off so much. I don't use them myself but I'm so glad wigs are a thing in lolita. They do so much for some people.

Now, I think it's time for a little late 90's spam. Not too much though, everything is unorganized and hard to find. And I apologize if it's not actually 90's.

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>>8671540
Found more than expected so I think this is enough.

I am loving these old snaps. Thank you so much anon. They are so great.

>>8671443
I love hearing this stuff, if you have anything else to share please do! I really love the look of this, it seems less harsh in some ways to the stuff that came later.

You know, looking at these old snaps, I wonder, where are these girls now? They're probably not much older than me since I was a teenager during this time. I wonder if any of them still wear lolita? Or did they give it up to pursue an OL job and/or family life?

>>8669827
>What's one thing that you are anons are glad isn't coming back with the old school revival?
What I never understood is why lolita's/aristocrat's would wear (platform) shoes which where too big for them.

>>8672051
That's not really an old old school thing, shoes in Japan only come in 3 sizes and bigger is better than too small.

>>8672069
>shoes in Japan only come in 3 sizes
Are you stupid? There's a lot pf Japanese shoes in a hell lotta sizes.

>>8672233
Most shops carry S M and L only though, especially shops like Wego and such.

>>8669827
Just realized my grammar is extra shitty in this. Sorry anons

>>8672012
I think about this, too. The first ones I saw would be my age or a few years older, early to mid-30s. I'd be surprised if more than a tiny number of them didn't give it up for an OL job or stay at home wifery. A few may have moved to otome, and one or two might work in fashion, but I bet most moved on completely.

>>8671515
Another godsend with wigs, is that headwear worn without wigs gets oil and sweat buildup on it. I bought a bunch of some old headbows and headdresses from the mid 2000's from a friend, many were 2nd hand even from her. I'm too scared to try to clean up the wire ones or anything on metal headbands since they'll probably rust. Headdresses are another story, those cleaned up very nicely.

I almost always wear wigs unless I'm wearing a hat. My hair is thin and fine and I've had some hormonal hairloss on my scalp. So my headwear stays pretty much pristine.

>>8672051
Japanese in general wear shoes too big especially women. It makes it easier to remove at the genkan.

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>>8672327
I also wonder about this. I like to think that many of them stayed in it but prefer the old not so flashy style and thus don't show up in any street snaps and magazines. I know that is just wishful thinking though. Do people over 30 in Japan still wear alternative fashion or do they consider it to be only a youth thing? Desingers don't count.

Posting here too because you girls might know. Does anyone know where to get good oldschool ringlets?

>this thread
;_;

>>8675333
Maple or Bodyline

>>8675390
Bodyline doesn't have the ringlets anymore, sadly (at least, last time I checked). I'll go look over Maple though, thanks!

>>8662354
I was wondering if anyone would have any idea what sort of size they'd be?

>Contribootin'

Does anyone know of any sales with rectangle headdresses more on the off-white side? I have an IW OP that I want to use for old school, but it's less white than I originally thought when buying it. Or would it be okay to wear with white? I wore the OP to a meet with some white pieces, and apparently my comm didn't notice at all, so maybe I'm just overthinking it, and it's not as off as I feel like it might be. I'm not really sure.

OP in question:
http://lolibrary.org/apparel/square-yoke-tiered-op

>>8676778
The seller sweetribbon on ebay had a bunch of headdresses up recently. I think there's an off-white IW rectangle headdress up there right now but it's a little more on the thinner side.

>>8676778
I remember Wunderwelt had a few ivory headdress a while back, but those might be too dark? If the difference isn't super noticeable when the headdress and the OP aren't placed side by side I don't think it should be that much of a problem. Part of being a classic lolita is accepting the fact that your neutrals will never match perfectly.

>>8676778
http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/b39ha926/
I feel like something like this would work

>>8676778
http://innocent-w.jp/onlineshop/en/152913.html
this might even be the same fabric

>>8676782
>http://www.babyssb.co.jp/onlinestore/b39ha926/
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>>8676799
holy shit you guys are a blessing. Thank you!

Besides Bodyline does anyone have any suggestions for where to get old school appropriate shoes in a size 10 or 11?

>>8678378
It might sound strange but demonia and a lot of those other goth brands have a lot of cute and old school chunky heels. Sometimes they're really high but most of the time they offer different heel sizes.

>>8672709
For what it's worth anon, when I was shopping in Shinjuku Marui One a few years back the lolitas I saw in there were clearly over 30 up-close - they still looked great of course but they certainly weren't youngsters. This was surprising and really refreshing to me as I'm nearly 30 myself and a bit of an oldschool lolita.

The few lolitas I saw posing for photos etc in Harajuku however were much younger, but then Harajuku Takeshita Street is more of a young person's haunt in general anyway.

If someone was building an old school wardrobe what would you suggest to them? Would it be a specific dress i.e. BTSSB Karami jsk or would it be some foundation pieces, or perhaps rectangular headdresses or RHS? Would it follow a colour palette or theme?

What about your own oldschool wardrobe what is it like?

>>8641582
Any idea of what dress is this? I keep seeing it and I really like it.

>>8645935
I specially adore how black velvet looks with white lace. The contrast is so deep.

>>8678929
It's one of AatP's Miranda rereleases. They've for the most part kept the original old school sizing, which is surprising.

>>8678909
For me it was finding a dress I loved that I just couldn't live without, what op or jsk is your absolute fave? Start there and work your way out, maybe you'd get a blouse, then the shoes, then the headpiece until you have a solid coord. Of course I didn't follow this advice, I'm just buying all the dresses I love at the moment.

>>8678909
My advice (If you're going the solid color route) would be to pick 3 colors you like, then build off of that starting from the foundation pieces.

Getting a pair of shoes that works with all your pieces in the beginning is a lifesaver and you can always use shoe clips to dress them up if you feel they're becoming repetitive,saves money as well~

Headdresses and bows can be made and it's an awesome feeling looking at the end result!

That's all I can think of for now but I hope it helps!

>>8678934
That's interesting, I always felt black and white were really flat despite the texture whereas something like bordeaux and white were much more deeper.

>>8678934
I agree, though I do love bxw to start with. Also like this kind of lace with jewel tone velveteen or velour.
Meta had some really pretty white lace combos with emerald green, red and what I'd describe as a deep steel blue.
Also really love the combo of velveteen (in any color) with torchon(?) lace like old school Baby used (pic related), often the lace was the exact color of the fabric as well, so beautiful.

>>8679059
The color scheme works also with modern/printed lolita items. For example my wardrobe is sweet in black but i want to add more pink and red for example. I have a pair for all my coords but i admit you need 3-4 pairs of shoes (example: two black, one pink and one red or white) to have a bit of variety also in old school... or i'm wrong?

>>8679086
Oh I just meant as you start out get a good pair of shoes and then get more when you want oops

I bought this dress recently, it was on my wishlist for a long time, couldn't believe my luck when I found it!
On hello lace it says it came in different colors like off-white and black, not just the deep red x white, I'd love to see the black colorway.
http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/baby-the-stars-shine-bright/type/op/item/308/
Does anyone have any pictures of that?
I have searched high and low for it, in both English as well as Japanese (ベロア as part of my search term), but can only find the red colorway.
Tried wayback as well but the pictures were broken.
Does anyone have a picture(s) of the black?

>>8679090
Ah now i understand!I see at times these lolita wardrobe guides online, they suggest only a pair of shoes but in reality when you have like up to 5-10 main pieces you need more shoe variety, unless you have a one color wardrobe (like full black).The same goes with bags, in my opinion you need 2-4 bags as a beginner, i have way more bags but most of them are loliable.
I talk like this in case a person wear lolita often or daily because wearing the same coord become boring, using the same jsk or skirt with different accs/top helps a lot. Usually old school and solid pieces offer this possibility without mistaking colors from the print, for example i love mixing red with pink or pink with sax to offer a good variety instead of the classic pinkxwhite combo. A black jsk would be gothic or sweet if you change only few items, it's also cheaper compared to coordinate printed items.

>>8679084
>Also really love the combo of velveteen (in any color) with torchon(?) lace like old school Baby used (pic related), often the lace was the exact color of the fabric as well, so beautiful.

Yeesss, you just described a few of my pieces I have in black and I feel the same love, they are my absolute gems, more than anything a modern dress could give.

>>8679098
I would love to see actual pics of this worn! Do you have any or could you take one?

I bought pup in a cup, the terrible babydoll cut. I was thinking it might look cute in an old school coord. I would love suggestions, thanks.

>>8662354
I just bought one. I have a 69-70 cm waist and it fit perfectly. Looked a lot like the one on the right. Didn't have any shirring. However, the lace was wrinkled and it looks pretty bad. You can see the shitty stitching holding the lace on the front in between the layers and it is freaking black thread, so noticeable. I'm hoping it irons out but it's hard to iron on velvel, you have to do it from the back with a towel over the fabric

>>8679153
I just bought one on yj! very similar to the one on the right and I'm worried it may be a little too small on me, but I saw one on egl sell with the posted measurements so will have to wait and see. If it doesn't fit I'll post it in here to sell if anyone's interested. It's this exact cut but in a wine color >>8669827

bump

I just spent way too much money on some old school VM on lacemarket, I think it might have been overpriced but I almost don't care. I wish I was less lazy because I could find things for cheaper on auction sites but I don't.

>>8680462
What'd you pick up? I don't even touch lm anymore with the canadian dollar being so low, it's more on par with the yen.

>>8652659
I'm pretty sure those are mmm lace topped otks.

Polite sage for being mobile atm

>>8680581
They are socks but doesn't look like Moitie's lace

Why is this beautiful dress still available at 3800 yen? I would buy it but I already own the capelet/skirt.

>>8680571
A black velvet bustier

>>8680751
>beautiful dress
kek

>>8646618
Didn't this OP just sell at auction recently? I remember a bunch of people trying to source/date it.

>>8681291
Pleb much?

>>8682069
Oh great thanks, now we have actual evidence that it's ugly. Just because it's old school doesn't mean it's holy.

>>8682076
>Oh great thanks, now we have actual evidence that it's ugly.
topkek

>>8680751
Just buy it. Lots of people own stuff in multiple cuts if they like it a lot.

>>8682069
>not liking old school delicious gothy Meta

Yeah, you have bad taste. I bet you don't like their Cross Embroidered JSK either.

>>8682742
>getting this butthurt over a difference of opinion.

>>8680751
Give me a damn link to it and I will

I want to get a pair of clunky Mary Jane's for a meetup coming soon, and so I can't make an antaina order now, but I'm looking into Demonia's and they have a pair of double strapped MJs that I'm thinking about getting except that I hate how there are skull studs on the straps. Sorry I can't post a link nor image since I'm on mobile and 4chan thinks links are spam. I'll try to put something together after work.

>Is there any way to remove them?
>will they be noticable? Look good with a red jsk?

I'd love to see collages of the old school main pieces everyone has.

Here is mine to start, with pieces from 2000-2006. I have a few more that are from 2007 and a more modern jsk that is a rerelease of an oldschool piece.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should add to my wardrobe?
I've thought about buying some 'iconic/essential' old school pieces and non velvet pieces to wear when it is warmer.

>>8683583
Is that first dress actually that loose on the sleeves? It looks a bit awkward, like it's too big. The rest is 10/10

>>8683594
No it's actually much less loose irl and has a similar fit to the other two long sleeve ops that are pictured.

Thank you kindly anon.

I'd love to see your wardrobe if you'd be happy to post it.

>>8683583
I forgot to mention I have the black version of the Meta Velveteen three stage-frill op not blue.

>>8683583
I also can't help but like velveteen too.
The velveteen series from 2010 isn't exactly old school, but it looks like it enough to me.

Like you, I'd like to get pieces that are more suitable for the summer. I'd really like to get my hands on some more Baby JSKs.

>>8683762
Stuff like pic related is what I'd like..
It's up on Wunderwelt now just in case anyone wants it!
Pink is not really my color.

>>8683583
>>8683762
I'm envious of both of you! I planned on starting my oldschool collection this month if it weren't for the HL MTO. There's only about 3 main dresses that I want before I shift over to oldschool.

When it comes to oldschool, velveteen pieces are the only thing I want. The trouble is that it can be somewhat hard to find them. Stalking auction sites is probably going to be the best answer for finding what I want.

>>8683583
Old school velvet is slowly taking over my wardrobe.

>>8684269
Gah, you have that Cornet OP. I used to have that until my abusive ex said I looked fat in it so I sold it. I want it back but it's so hard to find.

>>8684281
Jesus christ anon that's terrible. If I find another I'll post it here for you! Or if you have a throwaway email I can send it to I'd be more than happy.

>>8684269
The old velvet Innocent world just captured my heart

>>8683762
Lovely pieces anon, I really like the 2010 series and hope to own a piece from it too. I hope you can find more summer appropriate pieces that suit your taste.
>>8684269
Gorgeous collection anon thank you for sharing.

>>8683776
That's exciting that you are planning on building up an old school wardrobe soon. I've had a lot of luck finding velveteen pieces auction searching is great, I've also found some of my favourite pieces from Maiden Clothing. Goodluck anon.

>>8646442
I'm sure anon of >>8646425 meant she wish she could afford the dresses back then, because I'm the same - now with a job and feel I lost that little bit of magic inside. I agree old school are cheap now but most are ugly or frumpy designs. Plus not everyone is comfortable with 8+ years old clothes. Just sayin

>>8684281
I've actually seen 3 similar variations just recently from browsing the auction, I'll post some if I see them.

does anybody have the link to the giant imgur gallery of old school pics? It was glorious.

>>8684526
I don't have the link but would be really interested in seeing it too.

>>8684526
>>8684540
My time to shine has come. Here you go anon
imgur dot com [slash] a [slash] ij8db

>>8684557
Thank you based anon.

>>8679098
you son of a b... I was going to buy it too and I missed it.
Super jelly, anon.

>>8680751
it's small XD

I can't find any evidence that Baby ever made a blackxblack Elizabeth OP but I think I just bought it.

>>8685647
pics from where you bought it?

>>8685647
Here's some proof, anon

>>8685693

>>8685697
>>8685647
And only now did I bother to properly read what you had read. Oh well, I still don't see these photos circulate often

>>8685647
Any photos or a link to the listing?

All black was not an option in 2004: https://web.archive.org/web/20050204034150/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/shopping/onepiece/129302.html

>>8685702
*read what you had written
Today is not my day

>>8685647

Here it is on an old Japanese homepage:
http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~rosebrtn/baby_op_5.html

>>8685744
It looks like a hybrid between Elizabeth OP and Isabel OP?
Isabel and Elizabeth are pretty similar as it is. The dress has smaller flower lace than Elizabeth, like Isabel, and it appears to be velveteen like Isabel, not to mention it's all black. But it has a ribbon on the sleeves and a skirt like Elizabeth.

All this detective work isn't really helping, I'm just speaking out loud.

>>8685719
>https://web.archive.org/web/20050204034150/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/shopping/onepiece/129302.html
correction, this listing is from 2005

>>8685744
That's the Isabel OP from 2001, I believe. it was the predecessor to the Elizabeth OP.

In other words, fucking congratulations; I am brimming with envy right now. That is my #1 oldschool DREAM.

>>8685823
Isabel has a different skirt though I thought the same at first
It's also my dream dress though you have good taste anon

>>8685823
Oh shit no, that's straight up a black Elizabeth OP. The Isabel OP had a different skirt. Congratulations, yours is even better, omg.

>>8685823
Unless Elizabeth was released under multiple names, I'm certain that's an all black Elizabeth. But that's the only place I can find it.

So the page says this in Japanese:
エリザベスワンピース
数年前に受注生産のみで作られた、
とても贅沢で華やかな別珍OP。
贅沢な分、無茶苦茶重いです。
リボンがサテンリボンなのが残念。
値段上がってもいいから、リボンは
ベルベットリボンにして欲しかったです。
バックスタイルもゴージャス。
特にウエストリボンは見事なぐらいです。
一人で結べません;
ウエストリボンのアップ。
スカート部分は、ただレースがついてるのでなく
ちゃんとフリルになってます。
多分、これが重い理由です。
上半身のレースのアップ。
半ケープ状にトーションレースがあしらわれてます。
ハシゴレースもたっぷり。

半ケープ状レースを
バックから見るとこんな感じ。。
レースがズレてる事に今日気付きました。
さすがに今更お直しは無理かなぁ…。
袖レースのアップです。
姫袖部分が半分以上レースになってます。
私はロング手袋で防寒しました。
イノワのケープでシンプル目にコーデ。
こっちはファーケープで防寒。
ゴージャスにはゴージャスをって感じです。

The important bit is this (edited from google translate):
Elizabeth OP
Made to order only, from a few years ago.
Very luxurious velveteen OP (!!!!)
It's very heavy,
Ribbon is satin ribbon, which is sad because
I wanted velvet ribbon.

Anyways, the camera timestamp on the photos is Jan 6th 2005, so if the person posting here has one that is velveteen then we are likely looking at a 2003 or earlier dress (2004 would have been "last year")

>>8685823
>>8685826
>>8685827
>>8685647


Ok, so, I found BOTH dresses in the waybak machine after a little digging.

It looks like the lolibrary entries are second-hand data, not direct from the wayback machine.

Here is Isabel OP: https://web.archive.org/web/20011208110930/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/order/op/125314.html

And here is Elizabeth OP:
https://web.archive.org/web/20011208175718/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/order/op/125311.html


Black x Black was an option in 2001, and it was make to order. I'm going to update lolibrary with the other colorways of both, the missing images, sizing, item numbers, fabrics, and the info about which lace goes where on Elizabeth.

>>8685683
>>8685719
Here's a picture from the auction listing

>>8685744
>>8685827
>>8685857
Thank you so much!!! I can provide better quality pictures for the entry once I get it, too. I'm so stoked now, I wasn't sure if I should believe it at first, lol.

>>8686260
Congrats. Looks legit (hem and cuff match the lace patterns in the wayback machine). Super old and pretty rare, unless I'm mistaken, because I don't see black x black on any of the other listings.

(also I think this is way prettier than the black x off ones!)

>>8686260
How much did you get it for? I'm so envious of you, anon.

>>8686333
Ahhh, thank you!!

>>8686381
12,000 yen, which is probably the best deal I'll ever get, lolita-wise. I'm very surprised that no one else really went for it (there was just one bid before mine) but I don't think anyone was looking for it in this colourway so it went under the radar.

On that note, though, this seller seems to be auctioning off some pretty decent old school items at a good price, so have at it: http://sellinglist.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/user/toraerujcosmo?

Congrats anon that's fantastic!

Just added about 600 or so more photos to my collection of oldschool pictures if anyone is interested

http://imgur.com/a/ij8db

>>8686752
I'm also putting all of them onto tumblr with an extensive tagging system so it's easier to find specific things
http://oldschoollolita.tumblr.com/

Almost definitely outing myself here but I'm pretty sure anyone who can ID my old school collection at first sight and is a seagull is already known to me.

The pink AP set is a new acquisition. I've been trying to ID the Meta gobelin and blue AP jsk for a while now. I know Meta released a gobelin set in 2005, 2010 and 2012 for sure, so far with livejournal-carbon dating I know it is at least as old as 2009. I'm thinking I might go blog.livedoor.jp spelunking to try and find it. I've given up all hope on finding information on the blue jsk except that I've seen it for sale in black as well.

I don't know where you guys cut off "old school" but for me it's around 2006. I have a number of BtSSB from between 2006 and 2010 as well, considering I didn't get into lolita until 2010.

There's been a lot of old school pieces up for auction lately, I hope you guys are snatching them up too.

>>8686752
That sax coord is to die for. I want every piece of that coord

>>8686941
Yeah it seems the more unique your collection is the more spotted you'll become, but isn't it better than having the same flavor of the month dresses?

Has anyone bought any old school pieces (main pieces or accessories) lately? I've just bought the BTSSB heart bag and headdress. I've not had a rectangular headdress from Baby before but hoping the wine/bordeaux is the right shade.

>>8686758
this is great! would you consider tagging for aristocrat, long skirts, and prince/ouji as well?

>>8686941
Gorgeous collection anon, I hope you find the date of your Meta gobelin and Ap jsk.

I think of 2006 as the cut off aswell.

>>8687034
Of course, just warning you that there's a whole lot of old school aristocrat photos I didn't save since it's mainly for lolita, but I'll definitely tag any that I do have

>>8686758
You are a blessing anon, thank you.

>>8687030
I'm tempted to get that headdress myself anon. While there are some bright reds with oldschool, the majority of red dresses I'm interested in are a darker red (especially the velveteen ones, which are commonly darker red anyway). I think that you made the right choice on the headdress if you prefer a dark red dress.

>>8669836
Yeah but now instead it's all wigs or really ratty, shitty unstyled hair.

>>8686752
Thank you so much anon!I love to see these pics.

It begins.

>>8687414
I think the headdress would work well for you too anon.

I prefer the dark red dresses so glad to her that.

This is the specific dress I own that I bought the headdress for.

>>8687483
I think it'll work out, that particular color of red is a bitch to coord. I know you can always do black for coording purposes, but it'd be nice to have a matching red. I just got my first oldschool dress here >>8687470 and I think that headdress would match very well. I'm definitely envious of your dress though anon. ;_;

>>8687509
Thank you anon I'm hoping so. I've worn it with black so far but am going to try and bring in the bordeaux well atleast with my headdress and then probably with ivory, maybe still black shoes.

Congratulations anon it's a beautiful dress and I'm really happy you got your first old school pieces! Meta's velvet pieces are so lovely. I own a few and they are very beautiful although non from that series. It's nice they've used such a bright white so it will be easy to match socks etc with! I hope your dress arrives soon and it fits well. I hope in that case you can also find the same Baby dress or a similar one.

>>8683072
Whoops: http://www.mbok.jp/item/item_465982826.html?_SRC=li_i0

Are there any keywords that people use on auctions sites to find old school stuff or do you just have to pray

Here oldschool thread, enjoy these photos from 2005+ from the meta fukuoka blog

>>8688453

>>8688456

>>8688459
Sorry for the quality on some of these.

>>8688460

>>8688461

>>8688467

>>8688476

>>8688487
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/cpiblog00178/imgs/9/7/97729bfd.jpg

>>8688490

>>8688492

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>>8688500

>>8688570

>>8687030
That headdress is beautiful anon! I love the lace in oldschool items, it makes me feel so nostalgic.

I also posted this in a mail thread a while ago, but I recently bought an AP Pintuck JSK from 2005.

>>8688573

>>8688579
Gorgeous! Looks like it's in amazing condition too.

>>8688579
hnggg them pintucks

>>8688599

>>8688603

>>8688608
Casual goals right here

>>8688611

>>8688612

>>8688618

>>8688620

>>8688625

>>8688628

>>8688631

>>8688634

>>8688637

>>8688640

>>8688645
In the previous picture they have this white bunny doll tucked under the "arm" of the blouse.

>>8688648

>>8688649

>>8688656

>>8688659

>>8688660

>>8688661
design for >>8688649

>>8688663

>>8688666

>>8688671

>>8688682

>>8688698

>>8688701

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>>8688733

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>>8646442
Its not always cheap as fuck.

Its also harder to come by cause most dont want to give them up.

>>8688745
captcha has asked me if i'm a robot so many times i'm starting to doubt myself

>>8688753
I can post some auction links while i'm about it if you like. if anyone snipes any of my auctions that i'm keeping to myself though i'll whip you with raschel lace.

Let's start with this delightful piece of history, 7800Y:
http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g162364752

>>8688766
links and images will not be related.

This one is a little spendy at 20000Y but it's a quite old Meta OP set with sash and headdress, BNWT
http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c531714291

>>8688777

Some delightful caveman-kei from meta 2300Y
http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h200292285

>>8688789

AP Strawberry Gingham Skirt 5980Y
http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t413635971

>>8688792

Chocochip Cookie Cherry OP 2300Y
http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k188467870

>>8688796

Baby BlackxWhite A line OP 6000Y
http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v434669589

>>8688800
Baby Kuro Velvet Babydoll jsk 3900Y
http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h211948140

also i made a typo on >>8688800
that is clearly a JSK

>>8688800
Possibly an AP pintuck JSK? 2000Y
http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h212155812

>>8688705
I'm so here for the gobelin love. Damn, it's a photo of a stockphoto. I wish it was just the latter, I just bought this

>>8689273
damn anon, post pics, pretty please?

>>8688766
>if anyone snipes any of my auctions that i'm keeping to myself though i'll whip you with raschel lace.
Which ones are you going for, if you don't mind sharing? I don't want to get into a bid war with you, and just push prices up for both of us.

>eyezooms at the velvet jsk