/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

OP here. I think we need a better sticky and try to define what otome is. We seem to get a lot of questions on how to coord.

Any ideas?

There's some people from the last thread still looking for help!

This anon would like some ideas on how to coord this dress
>>8581058

This anon would like to see more coords with shorts/pants
>>8580997

Sorry for the dumb question, but do dresses (or other articles of clothing i guess) only come in one size? I really want the dress in the OP and I saw it on LM but it's too big.

>>8581364
Belt or sash is your friend anon. All Jane marple dresses are too big for me so I just cinch them in

>>8581108
Otome = cute shit that looks neatly put together doesn't have to be matchy matchy. Could wear to a casual office setting or nice date. It's all about the feels. You're a pretty young woman

>>8581121
Thank you anon! I mainly brought that up as shorts/pants in otome has been mentioned a couple of times but I've literally never seen any coords with them so I got to thinking, how would that even work?
Would it be something similar to pic related but get rid of the fedoras and add a hair ribbon or something girly, a ribbon necktie, quirky print otk's or socks (maybe argyle) and a cute bag to give it a more maiden feel. I was also thinking a sailor coat/jacket/shirt with shorts might work without looking boyish. I don't know if it would work at all I'm just toying around with ideas.

>>8581595
For some context, both of your pics are from oji girl/ojikawa (basically, cute women's fashion dressed up with "old man" staples like bow ties, glasses and vests) features in magazines around 2011 - 2012. At the time, it mostly had crossover with mori. I think it has elements that could tie it nicely into otome, but like you said, with some alterations.

>>8581634
Oh cool, thanks for that! That's interesting when you consider the granny thing Jane Marple have going on.

>>8581105
>>8581108
I'm the original anon who created the brand list. I'm glad it's being used but I'd like to make an updated version (add in some brands and reorganize it.) I also agree that we need a better sticky. Unfortunately I'm busy right now but I can come back later.

>>8581364
Darts are easy to add and take out later by hand, granted I get my mum to do it as she's neater. Jm are kinda built like boxes.

>>8581994
I thought about that but I'm terrified of ruining a brand dress.

>>8582132
It's not hard to do it without ruining the dress, anon!

>>8582132
It's just getting somebody to pin you, then a few small stitches. No cutting. You shouldn't even be able to notice it when you take it out!

Where online do you guys get nice socks from besides otome/lolita brands?
There's nothing much in stores in Australia.

Sticky anon here!
I've edited the brand list and written a short description for the style. It's not great so feedback would be good.

What is otome-kei?
>Japanese for 'maiden'
>Focuses on a feminine and quirky look
>No set rules
>Outfits often use colour popping, interesting print combinations, and contrasting materials
>Generally has a kitsch or twee vibe
>Sometimes overlaps with casual lolita but is still a separate style

Main otome brands:
>Emily Temple Cute/Shirley Temple Cute
>Jane Marple
>Leur Getter
>MILK

Other Suitable Brands*:

>Amavel
>Ank Rogue
>Axes Femme
>Bortsprungt
>Candy Stripper
>Excentrique
>Fint
>Franche Lippee
>Grimoire
>Lois Crayon
>Lolita brands (accessories, legwear, bags, mini skirts, cardigans/boleros)
>Melantrick Hemlighet
>Merlot Camp
>Q-pot
>Wonder Rocket


Suitable Non-Japanese Brands*:
>Alannah Hill
>Cath Kidston
>Dangerfield
>Hello Bones Jones (Indie)
>Miss Patina
>Modcloth
>Mulberry Chronicles (Indie)
>Peppermint Fox (Indie)


Non-japanese Socks/Shoes*:
>Sock Dreams, Teja Jamilla
>Melissa Shoes, Bait Footwear, Dkode Shoes, Neosen, Fleuvog

*NB: these brands are not all specifically otome, but sometimes produce suitable items

>>8582218
I've also re-worked the blog list.

Appreciation Blogs:

>http://axesfemme.tumblr.com/
>http://emikyuforever.tumblr.com/
>http://emilytemplecute.tumblr.com/
>http://fuckyeahotomekei.tumblr.com/
>http://otomeclub.tumblr.com/
>http://otomecoords.tumblr.com/
>http://otomestyle.tumblr.com/


Individual Blogs**:
http://altered-imagery.tumblr.com
http://angiiichan.tumblr.com
http://aralunanim.tumblr.com
http://classicaltyrianjubilee.tumblr.com
http://cling123.tumblr.com
http://endless8.tumblr.com
http://fannyrosie.tumblr.com
http://grandma-kei.tumblr.com
http://herajika.tumblr.com
http://kairii.tumblr.com
http://kaya-kueh.tumblr.com
http://lilythdark.tumblr.com
http://mademoiselle-iona.tumblr.com
http://onlyeasy.tumblr.com
http://pinkstrawberrytea.tumblr.com
http://rm-marionette.tumblr.com
http://sakuraimayura.tumblr.com
http://sapphira-doll.tumblr.com
http://sinneddonuts.tumblr.com
http://strawberrymelody.tumblr.com
http://sugarypinkcupcake.tumblr.com
http://vysanthe.tumblr.com
http://whimsicalmori.tumblr.com
http://xylia-x.tumblr.com

**NB: Many of these blogs dabble in both lolita and otome or exist in the grey area between the two. There's also varying experience levels.

>>8582207
There's a lot of places you can try but they're very hit and miss. A lot of it is super overpriced ebay or Taobao, plus you'll mainly find ankle and crew length socks.
It's really one big treasure hunt so you need to persist with it and go in with an open mind. Here's the places I frequent:

>Alannah Hill
>Dangerfield
>Target
>Rubi Shoes/Cotton On
>Department stores (Myer and David Jones sometimes get interesting things)
>Socks stands in shopping centres
>Those odd artsy consignment shops and artist markets
>Forever 21, Topshop, H&M
>Equip
>Alternate fashion stores

Pic related is some stuff from misc Australian stores that could be used in otome with varying degrees of success.

>>8582283
Dangerfield have the best socks, I have so many cute ones from them, and they often have 'ruffled' tops (not lace, but not the thick masculine band socks usually have)
Also rubi
Australia has good otome stuff what

>>8582283
Also the dangerfield ones are hardly all on their website, I look in their sales bins and get cute socks for like $5

>>8582283
Gorman has some fan-fucking-tastic socks as well

>those lobster socks

>>8582207
And stupid me just realized you said online.
But If you want to try in person then what I said over here >>8582283 still stands.

Other than that there's the list of online stores here >>8582218 (obviously skip the ones in the first part.)

I personally like Sock Dreams for Western sized basics, and Grimoire for their designs. Teja Jamilla does tights but they're super sturdy and come in a range of sizes. Ebay can also be good for more simple designs.

>>8582286
>>8582290
They get some good stuff in but they shelf warm so I can normally buy them on sale.

>>8582293
I totally forgot about Gorman.

How would one go about plus sized otome kei?

I'm a size 8-10 and can't squeeze myself into most of the otome clothing. Weight loss wouldn't make much of a difference since I tend to be quite wide with 40cm shoulders which prevents me from wearing any cute blouses, blazers, tops in general.

>>8582305
Would you be comfortable posting bust and waist measurements? Clothing sizes aren't standard so saying size 8-10 means different things to people from different countries.

Where do you guys get tights, especially patterned/printed ones? Preferably Europe-based, but anywhere that ships international is fine.

Here as some of my favorites:
>TejaJamila
>Sock Dreams
>Calzedonia
>WeLoveColors
>Hue
>Lockshop/Rosenrot (they only have four styles though)
>Random stores like Asos, F21, and Primark

And on Taobao:
>mu-fish
>ao188
>nyanmi

>>8582311
Honestly you can get some pretty good brand deals on auctions, only problem is the set ss fee. Sock dreams is extremely expensive for me, moreso than brand actually. Even new lolita brand socks are a pretty standard price for non-basic socks. I trawl aliexpress otherwise. Your list is pretty good.

On another note, does anybody have a dress in pepfox's normal cut? How's the fit/ construction/ length. I'm pretty tall. I'm tossing up between getting this release or the next. I don't know if this cut is nicer or if they just upped their stock photo game since they weren't the best before.
Yes I am a loser and I made a collage.
I don't think the price is even that bad anymore considering how low the AUD is.

>>8582320
The bodice is looks really short on that cut so it might sit quite high on you.

>>8582293
Never been there in person but I love the look of their polka dot stuff, I might pop in next time I'm in the city. I love the raincoat with metallic dots, I always assume it hardly rains and I end up using army surplus ponchos when it does. Not kawaii.

>>8582320
I'm tall and have pretty fat legs, so I usually shy away from brand tights. I only have one pair from Enchantilly and they fit alright, but they're slightly too short.

>>8582326
Oh no, screw tights. Pear + tall. I only go for OTKs (sock glue!!) or crew socks.
I can only buy things that come in extra tall, so pricey plain tights usually. Some lace/ fishnet/ crochet pairs fit well though due to the nature of the open knit; it stretches well.
I wonder how hard converting tights into OTKs would be, like hemming them... maybe if one had an overlocker but I'd be too scared to try that on brand anyway.

Damn anon for directing me to gorman, the metallic shoe lolita trend has made me weak to metallic prints, especially polka dots.

>>8582332
More cool things...

>>8582332
Damn, that dress is cute.

And yeah, I need to try sock glue. I've seriously been thinking about just buying brand tights and cutting them so they'll be nice and long, but I'm terrified of ruining them. I'd need to do a test run on some cheap ones. The steps themselves dont look TOO hard.

>>8582332
Where is this dress from? Am currently obsessed with foil polka dots.

>>8582340
oh damn you Gorman. Even their tissue wrapping paper is polka dots :( brb, hauling my poor ass to kmart to buy a pink foil cushion.

>>8582339
I just wonder if cutting them would be enough, maybe a wide zigzag stitch.
Sock glue is amazing, I got the one off sock dreams and it holds all my otks/ thigh highs up all day, even running about, and my upper legs are fat as. Plus it washes off easily and hasn't damaged my socks. That one 'it stays' is made for dancers.

>>8582342
I bought a bunch of foil gold and white boxes at the reject shop the other day, they're pretty cute and it satisfies to urge to hoard sparkly things.
Considering this polka dot JM dress on auctions too, I make collages of shit I want, it is sad.

S

Seeing as though there was quite a debate in another thread with regards to "vintage lolita" many attributed to it being a more mature otome-kei, what do you guys think?

>>8582383
I think there can be overlap and things can be both. Why is there the need to label everything? In general both would be a feminine, vintage style and it's still relevant to discussion as it uses otome and lolita brand items.

>>8582311
Grimoire's verum line has some very good quality tights suitable for Otome. Grimoire ships internationally, but Lolita Collective and Chiffon Rose also stocks them.

>>8582383
Yes and no? Some of it is mature otome kei, but a lot of it is classic lolita with vintage items and styling. I think it's okay to label it for the sake of clarification, but it's not a new style.

>>8582401
What's the fit like? I've heard they get pretty tight if you're taller than 5'3".

>>8582320
How tall are you? They mentioned on their facebook that the sundress cut has the same skirt length (50cm iirc) as their normal cut. I own a dress in their normal cut and the fit isn't perfect (but better than JM's boxy cuts). The construction isn't brand-tier, but nicer than most indie brands. I think their normal cut is more versatile than the sundress cut though.

>>8582406
About 172cm tall (not that tall but for jfash I get used to saying I am); 86cm, 67cm
50cm is a little short but for otome it's not that bad. Normal straps seem a bit more durable so I'm proobably going for that if this doesn't sell out in a few days.
>>8582401
People seem to forget that grimoire has nice knitted OTKs, they're okay for tall girls though I wouldn't touch their tights.
>>8582404
Even if they somehow fit the prints would look faded if stretched to the max.
(I keep overlooking the fact they asked for tights specifically, oops you probably knew)

>>8582404
I am 5'4" and they fit pretty well, but it also depends on how fat your legs are I guess. Some prints tends to sheer out more than others though. If you are tall and want good quality printed tights, Grimoire is probably your best bet since they stretch better than brand/Sakizo tights.

>>8582305
You should still fit some! I'm a 10-12 and still manage it (just). JM's Mini-OP are made of jersey so they're quite stretchy (though that price tag...)

Would be good to see some other brands like Bortsprungt!

>>8582417
I'm 5'8". I guess I just have to suck it up and try, I can always sell them at a bit of a loss if they don't fit.

>>8582476
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>>8582447
I'd never heard of them, what an adorable outfit! I love it.

>>8582476
Good luck! From my experience the zodiac tights and the magical telescope tights don't stretch as well as the others, but I have not tried every pair of Grimoire tights but if they look sheer in the stock pic (stock pic model is pretty tall), it probably looks sheer irl on you.

Also, as >>8582414 mentioned, their OTKs are great and stretch a lot, pic related.

>>8582479
Not that anon but theyre my new obsession.
Waiting for a trip to japan to buy something from them however.

>>8582479
Both Melantrick Hemlighet and Bortsprungts are just brands that give otome such an awsome quirky twist. It's horribly expensive though.

I haven't been active in lolita or otome for a couple of years, but now I'm considering getting back into it a bit and I'm just wondering where people hang out these days? Are there any comms for discussions/posting photos or does people still just hang out with the lolis? I miss having ppl to talk fashion with...

>>8582766
There is an Otome discussion group on Facebook, but it is inactive and people just mostly hang out with the Lolitas (lots of girls wear both Otome and Lolita anyway). I would talk to you about fashion though, anon.

I'm the last thread, I think someone mentioned making an otome checklist. If someone starts the next general before me, I hope they put that in the op
>>8582766
>>8583271
I wish we could have friend finders again.

Would having fantasy colored hair be too much for an otome look? I have super pink hair.

>>8583599
If it is an obnoxious hot pink it is probably too much, but really it all depends on how you style it. Pink hair would look cute in twin buns imo.

>>8582296
>>8582283
Thank you for taking your time to respond to me, I really appreciate it.
I've been to most of those stores but because there hasn't been anything in those few times I've been, so I haven't visited them for socks anymore.
But I definitely will frequent them more often since you said there's hope. Would twice a season be a reasonable amount of time to visit those store or do brands get new stock quicker than that?
My otome style has heavy lolita influences so it's been difficult.

>>8582339
>>8582344
You'll need to bind the cut edges or they will run. Fray check will do it, I've used it to turn tights into otk stockings before. You can get a bottle of it at most fabric and craft places for around $5

>>8583599
In the end if it's girly and cute - great! It'll be more on how you style it

>>8582308
I don't mind, I am currently 95-76-94 after gaining a fuck tonne of weight.
I don't seem to be able to get any smaller than 88-71-89 which still isn't that bad but as I said, I am naturally very broad so nothing fits quite right

Bunny Voyage!
I think I'll try to get the signature JSK.

>>8584410
Calling all cat lovers!

>>8584410
I really wanted the ticket brooch but it was sold out by the time I checked the website.

>>8584484
It will be restocked when they release the other cut.

>>8582218
>>8582240
You're a treasure anon!

I was going to buy this for an otome coord but my funds have been channelled elsewhere so if any anon here is interested here is the listing
Http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/H-M-Nude-Black-Cropped-Polka-Dot-Blazer-Jacket-Size-12-M-Cute-Party-/271963122026

I was going to buy this for an otome coord but my funds have been channelled elsewhere so if any anon here is interested here is the listing
Http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271963122026

I was going to buy this for an otome coord but my funds have been channelled elsewhere so if any anon here is interested here is the listing (mobile and web)

m.ebay.co.uk/itm/H-M-Nude-Black-Cropped-Polka-Dot-Blazer-Jacket-Size-12-M-Cute-Party-/271963122026

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271963122026

I've seen people complaining about changes in ETC's aesthetic since a certain designer left. I just learned about otome and have heard about this during my research, can anybody elaborate on the differences between then and now?

Ideas for headwear/hair accessories (and hairstyles to go with them)? I seem to be stuck using berets and while I still think they're cute I feel like they're getting a bit stale.

>>8585523
Generelly I'd say it's a bit tackier, weird colour combinations, slightly less flattering cuts, uglier art (imo lol). They also reuse a lot of old prints! If you look at Leur getter it's basically what ETC used to look like.

>>8583271
Thanks for your answer, it's what I suspected. Tbh I just can't with the drama that comes with lolita communities. I'm getting too old for that, plus I always felt a bit like an imposter when I mainly wore etc and JM.

>>8584410
>>8584484
As someone who understands why most Otome brands are so expensive (Emkyu, JM, etc.) but has never seen a PepFox piece in person - IS it worth it? What is the construction and quality like? Her pieces are so plain that I feel like there must be a really good trade-off.

If someone wouldn't mind just flipping a PepFox dress inside-out and snapping a photo, it'd be much appreciated!

Anyone got any pic dumps or suggestions for wearing otome in summer?

>>8585655
Probably because the founder is said designer. Leur Getter is much better than ETC for me now, they just keep re-releasing things.

>>8585755
Yeah, I'm aware (probably should have mentioned that for anon who asked but hey I just woke up). I don't really follow etc anymore because all they release looks like shit, it's too sad.

>>8585777
Same here, I've given up on them. Shame, because I love so much of their stuff from 2008-2012 especially.

>>8584415
Sauce on the dress? it is too cute, and reminds me of Schrodinger's cat a little. I want it.

>>8584415
Sauce on the dress? It is cute and giving me Schrodinger's cat vibes. I need it.

>>8585810
It's an old metamorphose dress.

>>8583718
Sorry anon, but I have no clue how often they re-stock. It'll be different from store to store but if you ask the shop assistants nicely they might tell you. Also check out their social media (fb, insta, twitter) because a lot of updates get posted there.

>>8583816
Thanks for posting your measurements. Here's some quick info for you. Sorry if already know any of this, I just though starting from scratch might be for the best and potentially help other anons.

>Most Japanese brands will be ruled out
Unfortunately very few of them accommodate busts over 85cm, let alone wide shoulders. Luckily there's a lot of off brand options in the brand list that will work.
I especially like Cath Kidston. They do some very lovely and very roomy pieces.

>Take a risk with Jane Marple JSKs
If you're keen to try a Japanese brand then avoid ETC (tiny bust and shoulder allowances) and give Jane Marple a go. I find that their JSKs are roomy in the bust (90cm roughly) so they could potentially work. You should specifically check out their Dans Le Salon line which is sometimes a bit larger than their normal stuff. I would avoid JM skirts that aren't from this line. Normal skirts are about 65cmish in the waist, Dans Le Salon are 70ish.

>Define your silhouette

You see a lot of lovely waist ribbons (you can diy this yourself) and cropped cardigans in otome which can be quite flattering.

>Legwear will be an issue

A lot of stockings and socks are going to be too small so you'll need to stick to offbrand. If you want something more JM inclined go for stockings by Teja Jamilla. Feel free to give ankle socks a go. I know people tell slightly larger girls to avoid them, but I think they look cute.

>>8586059
cont.

Other than that I suggest that you use shoes with a slight heel since they're more flattering (that goes for everyone though.) I'd also avoid busy necklines with large collars, or super OTT necklaces because they'll put too much emphasis on your upper body.

>>8585499
Thank you!
It was looking a bit bulky so I streamlined it a little. It's also alphabetized now.

>>8585523
>old ETC had lovely designs and simple but reliable cuts
>new ETC has shitty designs and poorly executed re-designs of old stuff

ETC was over-dependent on Ando and failed to grow the brand beyond her work. When she left, ETC was lost and lacked artistic direction. They did attempt some new stuff but it was rather ugly and for the most part failed. ETC then went back to re-hashing Ando's old work. There's nothing technically wrong about that, but it feels a bit morally grey. I think it burnt their bridges with Ando (she wasn't happy about it) and hurt a lot of their long time fans. The 'new' redesigns just feel like a big cop out, and the JSK cuts are odd and ill-fitting.

Ando took all of her strong followers over to her new brand, Leur Getter. They've doing well and I foresee that continuing. They don't yet ship internationally but Ando is keen to reach out to a wider audience.

>>8585810
Hello Lace has it listed as just "Cat Print" but I've more commonly seen it called "Cat Door."
It's a 2006 piece by Meta.
http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/metamorphose-temps-de-fille/type/jsk/item/41/

>>8586059
While anon might be screwed with 90+ bust, I've never really had an issue with brand (other than ETC's weird ass baby-doll cuts), and my bust is 86-88cm (70D-E) depending on the time of the month. If anything, I get way less weird boobloaf and whatnot in otome than in lolita.

>>8586064
I agree. I mostly liked her designs, so I just moved over to LG. I do hope ETC gets it together though, it would be a shame.

>>8586059
Wanted to add that JM releases longer skirts and elastic-waist skirts with almost every release. The jsk of most recent ones are really only for those flat chested 90cm max. Some of their older run bigger or tiny

>>8586070
I don't think they're screwed at 90cm+, they just have to be careful. I agree that they'll be fine if they get back down to that smaller bust size, but for the time being it's best to play it safe. I also don't want anon to waste their money on things that might not fit, especially ETC because it's really dropping in value.

>>8586079
LG is nice and I like that it's a mix of fresh designs and re-takes on her old ETC stuff.
pic related is Bambi Brooch by LG compared with Favorite Print by ETC. The two are obviously similar, but different enough to be appealing.

>>8586097
Their longer length skirts are nice but the elastic they use bites back with a vengeance.

>>8586070
I don't think you're screwed. You just have to watch out for things with shirring and be careful about cuts.

>>8586116
>>8586102
I wasn't saying that anon was screwed, mostly saying that they might be (I don't know) if they're over 90 in reply to >>8586059 saying that very few brand pieces fit over 85cm, which I have not found to be the case.
Basically I was just saying that I didn't agree that most pieces wouldn't fit over 85cm.

Yeah I've worn both JM and etc at 92/72cm (+broad shoulders), you just have to be careful with checking that items have shirring or elastic, or in the case of JM that it's one of their larger cut dresses. I gained a lot of weight because life&meds but I still have some things that fit despite me being like 95/85cm so it's not impossible.

>>8586123
I totally meant to write 95cm, not 85, in my original post. Sorry for the confusion!
Just to clarify there's plenty of ETC and other otome suitable brands that will fit 85cm, but once you head over 90 it gets a little more complicated with Japanese brands.

>>8586102
Why is ETC losing value? I can understand dresses that have been re-hashed/re-released, but it seems like practically all dresses are losing value even old designs. It just seems like overall second hand dresses are going for a lot cheaper?

>>8586059
>Feel free to give ankle socks a go. I know people tell slightly larger girls to avoid them
They do? What's the reason(s) for it, if you don't mind me asking?

>>8586854
This Is happening with all brands keep in mind! MILK, JM, AP - prints I adored in all brands are becoming so much affordable.

Not sure why exactly, but it's great for us!

>>8585689

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>>8586987
Almighty need :(

>>8586990

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>>8586997
If it is too hot, I would suggest go with just a JSK and sandals, fuck it

>>8587002

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>>8587017
Ok, I'm done

>>8586854
You're right that most brands are dropping in price, but it seems to be worse for ETC. The re-hashed stuff is part of the problem but overall most pieces have dramatically dropped in value. Just take a look at the second hand sites or auctions. Items that would have sold in a heartbeat in the past now shelf warm until they're given a price cut or two. I know from experience that semi popular pieces bought at a fair selling price less than 6months ago are now selling for 1/2 of what people were paying. Depreciation is bound to happen but it seems to be quite extreme in this case.

I guess ETC lovers are moving onto different things and the onslaught of pieces has flooded the market and devalued the brand.

>>8586896
It visually cuts off a person and can make them look stumpy. They're back in fashion now so most people don't give a shit anymore. I think they look cute anyway.

I, for one, am happy ETC pieces are losing value. It means I get to find dresses I still find cute despite re-releases for really cheap. It won't be worth reselling them but I wasn't planning on that anyway.

LG's picnic print in blue is my new DD, it would suit my style well.
I checked their site and this is cute, I like the combination rabbits and biscuits, and that the rabbit is wearing an apron heh.

A few people seemed interested in Jane Marple's tartan items in the old thread. I'm still holding out for a blue and green OP but this JSK is up for auction for just over 10,000.

http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/201825871

>>8588179
I wonder how the cut on the arms is, it looks so odd being laid flat. That being said I might go for it, I'm surprised I didn't see it earlier.

>>8582240
Thank you for these, I luv Otome inspos!

I don't how, but I somehow fell in love with this ETC coat. Am I getting into grandma kei???

I don't know how, but I fell in love with this ETC coat. It looks so grandma kei. Help.

>>8588916
It's amazing though, I'd wear it in a heartbeat.

>>8588916
I'm also in love with this coat, I just can't justify throwing down money for it when I own other coats.

I have Leur getter feelings

>>8588916
I highly regret not buying it for 9800 yen on closet child in December last year. I don't know how it was so cheap but it was and somebody got an amazing deal. But maybe it's for the best, I get to wear coats like 3 times a year.

I just bought this because it was cheap and I was sad over not getting the navy regimental OP. I usually prefer jewel tones, what have I done.

>>8590039
Anon don't do this to me.

>>8590040
Coats are often pretty cheap on cc I noticed, I've considered getting a while bunch just because I live in a cold climate and some variation in outerwear might make winter feel less endless.

>>8590054
This is so lovely though! Try matching it with creams and browns maybe?

>>8590070
Like this? I'll feel so girly so I feel like a sugary military look with the boots, beret and crown would be kind of cute~ The Teja Jamilla crown tights with gold on ivory would be cool but these are just easier for me to pick up.

>>8590054
I also missed out on the Navy regimental OP anon. </3 hunting items now, there's a nice JM bordeaux regimental pencil skirt for RIDICULOUSLY cheap on mbok at the moment but I can't fit dat 66cm waist. Someone go get it.

http://www.mbok.jp/item/item_473270865.html?_SRC=li_i0

>>8590073
Both of those are lovely! I especially prefer it with the brown boots. Not too sweet but still suits the dress very well. For chillier weather it would be easy to just throw a cardigan on top as well and it would still look really cute.

>>8590079
R.i.p
My upper waist is 66cm but I'm a tall chub pear-chan and pencil skirts are a no. Somebody get itttt.
Oh and by a good price I mean the pink regimental OP was 7500 BIN and it might have gone down further, I believe we can do it.

It was only a matter of time before we started seeing this.

>>8590189
Ugh, himezawa.

>>8590189
I try to ignore her posts

>>8590189
The dress looks quite nice for a replica tbh

I hope that means that the real deal decreases in value, so I can get my hands on it some day.

>>8590189
Wait, where did she post this? Is there an otome fb group?

>>8590261
Yeah there is, just search otome and it comes up. Don't know if she posted this there tho (or who she is tbh), I'm not a member. There's also a buy/sell otome group.

>>8590189
Outside of the replica dress, I really don't even like Bodyline shoes.. they look like clown shoes.

>>8588916
I live in Washington and I actually need a coat to stay warm. How is the quality of ETC coats and possibly other brand coats?

>>8590424
All brand coats or winter jackets I've owned has been great quality (Baby, IW, Jane Marple, ETC). I know they can differ from coat to coat but overall I've been really happy with them and they've kept me warm in all weathers.

>>8583586
>I wish we could have friend finders again.
Are they not allowed now or is there just too much spam from other boards?

>>8590189
Why the fuck is she so cheap. What a shame, is there any ruling to replica dresses?

This might be a dumb question,but are there any lolita dresses that could work for otome?does bodyline have anything that could possibly work?

>>8591418
Yes, and yes. I think L507 could work.

>>8591418
Innocent World's plain and vintage looking dresses are perfectly working. Same for Angelic Pretty.

Also quirky prints + square dress cut combinations like like rabbit letter are suitable for otome.

Also most of Juliette et Justine's basic cut newer dresses can used for otome.

You will find tons of otome-suitable lolita dresses on taobao, as well.

Just got my first JM mini OP in the mail.
Wish I had paid more attention before buying and noticed that it's basically cutsew material.

>>8591915
A lot of JM's pieces are cutsew material.
Did you buy it at retail or secondhand?
Also, has anyone hand-washed the Royal Stamp/Royal Order style cutsew ops? I got one from Japanese auctions a while back, and when it arrived, it smelt like cigarettes and body odor. I had it dry cleaned, but the bo smell is still faintly there.

>>8590330
So does every pair of tea parties, AP included.

>>8591918
Put it in the freezer to kill the smell.

Do dresses with solid colors work for otome?

>>8591922
I actually tried that with little success. It almost seems as if the smell as become one with the fabric, if that makes any sense.
I was hoping that being able to wash it with soap or something would get it out. Am I totally fucked?

>>8592028
Ugh, that sounds pretty gross. But yeah, try washing it in cool water with a gentle detergent and hope for the best. If you use something scented, it might cover the smell up. I also use oxgall soap for stubborn pits, but it's a bit aggressive, so you might wanna be careful with that.

>>8592023
Yes. You can add a quirky/kitschy feel with tights, socks, cardigan, bag, jewellery, hair accessories, hat; whichever else you chose to coordinate with the dress.

Where does everyone buy their tops, particularly cutsews/turtlenecks/etc?
I have two ETC turtlenecks and love them for making more casual, cozy coords, but I really wish they released them more often.
I'm mostly looking for cute short sleeved cutsews and long sleeved turtlenecks/shirts.

>>8592203
If you are a tiny human and don't mind if things are offbrand, I would recommend looking in the children's department for cutesy cutsews and inexpensive blouses.

>>8592215
Unfortunately I'm not that tiny.
158cm with an 86cm bust kind of rules out the kids section. Thanks, though!

>>8590189
>>8590158
Are some of these images 404ing for you guys or it just me?

>>8592203
the typical aliexpress/ebay route for me. some turn out to be quite good quality. occasionally forever21 has something nice, but usually those are chiffon-type blouses. they have plenty of knit tops that i see in otome, too, like simple thick-striped ones.

also, i just received a blouse from aliexpress that i think works for otome and is good quality for $6.

>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Women-Blouses-Spring-Autumn-Heart-Printed-Casual-Peter-pan-Collar-Shirts-Chiffon-Blouse-Blusas-Femininas/32370073693.html

>>8592245
I guess I should have specified that when I said turtlenecks/shirts and cutsews, I meant like knitted and soft cotton materiasl (like a brand cutsew).
I agree that it's easy enough to find blouses on taobao/aliexpress, but it's not very easy (in my experience) to find the other stuff, which is why I was asking. I'd like to bulk up my wardrobe with it so I can wear otome a bit more casually this year.
Pic related is a kind of meh example of what I'm going for.

>>8592264
ah, yeah. i can't find the coord right now, but i did buy a mock neck at forever21 because it looked like something i saw in a coord.

http://www.forever21.com/Product/Product.aspx?br=F21&category=sweater&productid=2000155977

sorry i couldn't be of more help.

Are there any good taobao shops for otome style? I've checked the taobao spreadsheets and searched on google but it looks like a lot of shops have shifted their focus more towards hime style. I'm also a taobao noob so I could just be terrible at this

>>8592220
I'm a fattychan with 98cm bust and I can wear a lot of children XL clothes, especially ones labelled children size 14-16 or above.

>>8593248

>>8582218
I was just going to come in here and tell you to add miss patina but I guess you already have, haha. Somebody mentioned them in another thread and the stuff is cute.

>>8593280
Cat/ piano print

>>8593280
They're super cute! I talked about them in the last thread but only just realized they weren't on my brand list.
I'm desperate to buy their Aristocat Dress but I think they've cocked up the sizes on the listing (the small is 68cm in the bust which seems absurd and quite different to their normal sizes.)

>>8593343
Ah yes, I'd expect more like an 88cm which is what a UK/ AU size 8 normally is.
I'm considering a few of their blouses on the sale, and the tweed dress is cute if short. Their quality doesn't look as good as JM or anything, I think I'm spoiled getting $500 dresses for cheap second hand.

Where can I find cute beret's (sp?) to wear with otome?
does anyone have cute hats to post in general?

>>8593425
taobao has a lot of cute berets

>>8593431

>>8593432

>>8593435
not a beret but would be cute for otome

>>8593435
I love JM pom pom berets in otome too

>>8593442
This looks easy to DIY

>>8593442
Like a tam o shanter
Comfy feels.

Somebody posted this in the previous thread, any way I could get a source on her dress? Reverse image search yielded no results.

>>8593803
It sort of looks like Shirley Temple? Sorry anon that I can't be of more help.

>>8593877
It's Shirley Temple's Poodle Circus! That was actually a HUGE help anon, thank you!

>>8593922
No problem, I'm glad I could help after all!

I recently bought this vintage dress hoping that it could be used in an otome coord. I can't seem to find a nice mustard cardigan to match the mustard in the dress, any links would be greatly appreciated. I've never made an otome coord before so Concrit/general help would be nice.

>>8596786
I think the color palette is a bit boring, It would probably be easier if you picked a color that goes with mustard, rather than trying to find a mustard cardigan. Maybe royal blue?

>>8596786
That looks really cute anon!
I agree with finding a cardigan that's not yellow though. It'd make it slightly more "quirky" to add in another color than to match colors you already have. I personally think a forest green would look really nice with it.

>>8596864
This picture reminds me, do any of you have experience with ETC or Axes Femme skirts that have some shirring in the back? What's the usual max on those?

>>8596839
Oh royal blue is a great idea I'll keep my eyes peeled, thank you!

>>8596856
Thank you! I'll definitely look for a forest green cardigan

>>8596864
This would be so cute if the skirt fit her and her shoes were possibly different.

>>8583586
We could all start working on that otome checklist together?

The most basic skeleton, without quantities and working off of what most people wear:
>cardigan
>dress/skirt
>blouse
>cardigan
>beret
>socks/tights
>casual but classy shoes
>satchel

Can anyone recommend a quality cropped cardigan seller? I'm going to try to get to the dangerfield outlet in newtown soon, but are there any good places online?
In exchange, Cath Kidston clock print replica from aliexpress http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Fashion-Women-Elegant-sweet-cute-clock-print-Dress-vintage-O-neck-sleeveless-casual-slim-brand/32302573559.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.9.eqIc3A&ws_ab_test=201407_3,201444_6,201409_5

>>8597140
you forgot to put a cardigan on the list anon

Just for anyone who doesn't know; There's "Otome Closet" on Facebook - The Otome equivalent of Closet of Frills.

I really wish it weren't so dead!

>>8597477
Review usually has a lot, but they're kinda pricey I guess. Meanwhile, if you're at ClearIt let me know if there's a cream peter pan collar long sleeve blouse in stock, in a beautiful thin but silky cotton. I regret not buying it full price...

>>8597616
lol, cardigans are very important anon!

Is MILK good quality to justify their high prices?

Can you wear mismatched jewellry with otome ? I mean; using two different metal colors ?

>>8598183
It's decent but I never felt that "wow" kind of feeling like with JM. I've mostly had used items and cutsew material items so that might be why. It's definitely on par with lolita brands though. I love MILK though but I'm a sucker for their aestethic.

>>8598237
That's a faux pas regardless of style, those who care will think it's tacky to mix metals and those who doesn't won't give a shit. Personally I couldn't care less.

>>8597664
I hear a lot of lolitas are starting to make the switch so maybe more people will start visiting.

>>8597140
>a dress or a skirt with a cute kitschy print
>2 cardigans, one that matches your dress/skirt and one that complements it
>blouse
>beret/some cute vintage hat (in complementary color to your dress/skirt maybe)
>2 pairs of socks/tights, printed or textured
>casual, classy shoes
>bag in the same color as the shoes

I think that's a good start for at least 4 similar but different outfits...

Hi, can I ask a question about the fit of an older ETC op? I have some unshirred OPs from 2013 (spoon one, and pic related) and they fit my 84-86cm C-DD bust perfectly (maybe the elastic puff sleeves contribute?), but I've had bad experiences with an older blouse and jsk not fitting. Do you know the measurements on some similar pre-2010 OP? Lolibrary only lists the length. If things are at least 88cm they are usually ok.

>>8598513
I agree with this. I think a cute barrette or hairband is also a good option to have more accessory choices, and maybe a cute brooch or necklace to wear. Maybe have solid color tights in complementary colors too.

>>8598455
Oh hell no. Doesn't do much for the style if it's always seen as the more normal alternative to lolita.

>>8598513
>>8597140
>>8583586
Checklist-anon here, I was actually thinking more along the lines of the morigirl mixi checklist. Like asking what kind of girl is the morigirl aesthetic designed for and going from there. It's a good way of defining an aesthetic without being overly prescriptive.
http://morigirls.livejournal.com/1122.html

Though having a basic rundown of outfit components is good too. I just worry it makes people scared to experiment. A bit like how lolita had all those beginners guides back in the day which then morphed into people thinking anything not on the list wasn't "real loli".

>>8599599
I think the mori girl checklist was kind of a joke.

>>8599599
What's otome kei called in Japanese? The Kanji version only brought up otome games.

>>8599622
Maybe, but it was pretty effective in communicating wtf mori was.

>>8599625
In my experience, it's still called "otome" when it's named. You'll see some Japanese girls on instagram and tumblr tagging it with this.
However, outside of my lolita friends and friends who were involved in the heart of a fashion, most of the Japanese people I knew rarely referred to their style by name. It was much more like "I like girly, cute things with quirky touches" or "I like light colours and gurokawa."
I'm sure it differs person to person, but the one girl I was kind of close to who wore ETC/LG/Milk on the regular never really referred to it as anything beyond brand names.
On the other hand, I have had a Japanese make acquaintance of mine say that I was looking very "otome" at one point.

>>8599874
Do you think they may have been using the word otome in the literal Japanese sense of the word 乙女(maiden ie girly, sweet and so on) as opposed to an actual fashion style/genre?

>>8599884
Yeah, that's what I figured. It doesn't seem to be a named fashion so much, and I highly doubt the dude would've known about it anyhow.

>>8599874
That makes sense. Too bad that makes it hard to get good results via google search.

>>8599584
ngl, it's kinda why i like it

>>8582240
Just wanted to throw in a correction that >http://sugarypinkcupcake.tumblr.com
changed their url to
>http://infiniteneeya.tumblr.com/

Love her wardrobe and outfits of varying styles

>>8590424
I own a coat from ETC that's satin lined and managed to not die during winter in the east coast so..

So good

On the PepFox website it says that they don't intend to re-release collections but that they'll bring collections back. Does anybody know what they mean by that? I thought bringing a collection back WAS re-releasing...

>>8599584
Also do not want more lolitas coming on board.

With the way trends are going in lolita and all the OTT business, I really find otome refreshing. It's pretty simple, but uses more subtle ways to make an outfit interesting.

>>8602117
I think it's funny how you call tell which coords are dedicated Otome compared to those that are Lolitas dabbling in Otome - There's a very particular kind of matchy-matchy to them.

>>8602432
Yeah, they also look a bit unnatural if you get what I mean. There's something very artificial looking about the Lolita aesthetic and the clothes wear them. I know people are going to disagree with me, but lolita in the west looks like a costume now instead of clothes people actually wear (or at least a lot of the coordinates I'm seeing these days).

>>8581634
Omg. I'm so glad that this has a name! I love otome kei, but there are times when I'd rather wear something boyish with a soft edge. I'm also in love with the recent dandy looks, especially the more flamboyant black dandy style, but dandyism is historically a male fashion and I don't like the name quaintrelle, nor do I see anything from that that resembles what I wear, and I like that ojikawa is more polished yet quirky than - sorry to say, a typical butch coordinate (and nor do I identify as a butch woman).

>>8603246
I definitely agree. There's far, far too many costume elements in Lolita now; Four layers of fake lashes, huge wigs, outfits consisting of only two colours.. Bleh.

I may be entirely alone in this, but SHOES. The Otome aesthetic allows for any and all kinds of shoe so long as it's vaguely consistent or complimentary to the outfit - The world isn't going to fall apart around you if you're not wearing the same damn pastel sandals.

>>8603378
I love it too so I'm glad it helped, anon! It was unfortunately a pretty short-lived trend, but I'd love if it made a resurgence, given the current interest in otome + the possibilities there are for mixing the styles. ojigirl on Tumblr is no longer maintained but it's a good little reference for the aesthetic if you need inspo (also ojikawa but there's less on that one).

>>8603394
>outfits consisting of only two colours
That's a point. While in lolita it's more like a "how dare you to mix that colour in when there's no such colour in the print" nitpick thing, you can actually play around with so many colours in otome - that's so refreshing.

>>8602432
It's like a lot of girls coming from lolita don't understand how to coordinate an outfit if it doesn't all come from the same collection. Not everyone of course, but you can tell lolita is the kind of fashion that draws girls who are coming at it from the nerd angle with no prior interest in fashion in general.

>>8603447
>how dare you to mix that colour in when there's no such colour in the print
God, I hate this. I guess I'm a terrible lolita, but I think it's much better to choose a color that compliments the dress, rather than strictly stick to what's on the print. Why limit yourself like that? Learn some color theory, have fun.

>>8603614
I think the reason for that is that the popular modern prints already have too many damn colors in them. No one is gonna say a damn about you mixing some red in with a blue and green dress but if the dress is a heavy print with 4 different colors in different shades (not to mention neutrals) you need to stick to those or risk looking like a mess.

>>8603427
Different, girlier, but you might like this
Tweed jane marple I've been following on auctions

>>8603687
I didn't mean to reply to your comment specifically, but to the other saying how the style incorporates 'old man' materials like tweed.

>>8603646
But otome prints can have lots of colors as well. Obviously you need to decide on a case by case basis, but I've seen way too many comments like "There's no [color] in this print!!1" even with a print that had like 2 main colors.

I think honestly with otome you can just wear whatever cute things that you feel like for the day. It's meant as daily wear and as such shouldn't take as much planning as what you would for a lolita outfit worn for a special occasion. Of course it's fun to plan outfits in advance and buy things to match etcetera but ultimately with wearing otome brands there really aren't any rules, you just wear what you feel looks right, even if it happens to be mismatchy one day and super matchy the next.

>>8592028
Have you tried spritzing the underarms (or where ever stinks) with vodka + water? It can help neutralize body odor.

>>8603646
In the right hands, you're not going to look like a hot mess by having some fun with Lolita and color. But try and experiment a bit in a public space and you'll get all sorts of less imaginative lolitas crying foul and pointing at the rulebook, same with shoe choice. Girls end up afraid to make the occasional mistake or to color outside the lines in any meaningful way. Without experimentation, you get stagnation, which is where western lolita seems to be right now. Too much stagnation and the fashion movement dies. Western lolita is way too obsessed with perfection when it should be embracing looking like a mess from time to time in the service of exploring new ideas and maybe trying not to be a carbon copy of Japan.

>>8604324
Agreed. Yeah, not every experiment will work, and you might look like a mess now and then, but that's part of the learning experience. I guess I like otome because it feels more like an actual fashion, I feel like a lot of lolitas have no idea how to dress themselves without all those arbitrary rules (not all of them, but I swear someone just randomly made half of those guidelines up).

>>8604393
Half the trouble with lolitas moving into otome is learning or relearning a sense of instinct when it comes to fashion. Or just plain being able to convert an abstract concept or aesthetic into a coherent coord. You can't just teach that.

>>8603447
>>8603531
>>8603614
I mean, with Otome you can use a black piece in an outfit with a main piece that doesn't necessarily have black in IT. Complimentary colours are more prominent than matching colours, too.

>>8604324
>>8604393
>>8604433
>inb4 Lolitas do mass-migrate to the fashion and soon they're telling us off for not matching properly or 'following the rules.'

>>8598237
Entirely depends on how you put it together. Bright yellow gold not really, but you could combine pale yellow with rose and silver if it looked deliberate. That means same finish, same weight, same tone and a lot of attention to balance in the jewelry selection. I'd even say you're best off pairing like with like, doing a cluster of rings or bracelets in different metals. Deliberate.

>>8603690
It's OK. I actually like this a lot. I love tailored looks.

>>8604810
Would you like the link? It's about 15500 yen. I would get it but I'm buying some other dresses and it's going into summer here. It reminds me of my childhood a bit.
http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u73428515

When Betsey Johnson was one of us?

>>8605829
She's always been one of us.

This is too big for me but I thought it was cute. Maybe one of you all has a use for it?http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=231679109403&alt=web

Are there any tall people that wear otome? I want some people to follow

>>8607152
So bored of her coordinates. I feel she's more experimental when she wears Lolita

>>8607270
lol me?
Well I'm 172cm which is a bit tall, but maybe not by the standards of somebody taller. Otome dresses are longer than lolita ones I've found so it's not that much of a hindrance, other than some etc empire waists without elastic/ adjustable straps hitting above my bust, and of course long sleeves not being long.
I'll start posting more outfits.

I found this really cool JM dress but I don't have enough money for it right now. Well I do but I'd have to sell some stuff to justify it.
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r106117832
(the collage is a joke)

>>8607476
>tfw actually think that's a cute outfit

>>8607489
Lel thanks, I was doing the lolita overly thematically matchy thing but I'd probably still wear it as well, but maybe with a plain satchel.

>>8607504
I've seen outfits that are pretty matchy but still look adorable and have that otome "vibe." I know color pops are encouraged but I don't think they're required, as long as the vibe is there.

>>8607504
>>8608019
Matchy outfits can still be otome; I don't know why /cgl/ has this idea that unless you're using color pops and being super quirky it's not otome. I will say that I think it's way less fussy, and otome wearers are less likely to bitch about your pinks (or purples, here) not matching perfectly.

>>8608032
So much this. I love a simple otome outfit (I like cute straight forward 'plain' preppy styles which some simple coords can look like) but I do find the quirkier, non matching ones more fun and interesting to look at and give this style an individual look that's fairly unique to it.

>>8608032

I'm still bitter over not getting the Bunny Voyage ticket brooch (hopefully when they restock) so I went looking for cute brooches elsewhere.This seller has a bunch.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Pins-Brooches-/50677/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=britpop-rose

>>8607471
Whats your tumblr/ig? I'll follow you.

>>8608623
Bless you anon!

Aliexpress otome finds, mostly plaid dresses for winter.
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/long-sleeve-Sailor-collar-plaid-loose-dress-mori-girl/32418241007.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.2.ZCMNdG&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_1
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-new-mori-girl-Sweet-preppy-style-plaid-fashion-turn-down-collar-one-piece-dress-female/32435397589.html?spm=2114.031010208.0.745.p2019d
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-new-mori-girl-Preppy-style-sweet-plaid-turn-down-collar-basic-autumn-long-sleeve-dress/32435840254.html?spm=2114.031010208.0.746.p2019d
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-new-mori-girl-fashion-and-trend-Japanese-spring-women-s-cartoon-cat-applique-sleeveless-one/32294081318.html

Another cute find, more for spring/fall and very country themed.
>http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sweet-red-plaid-ruffled-pleated-princess-petr-pan-collar-dress-mori-girl/32451320277.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.253.YRJ6kI&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_1

>>8609155
>>8609152
These are really cute!

I enjoy that it's possible to share otomeables in these threads.

What's the consensus on mixing chiffon with knits? I have a cute short-sleeved turtleneck that would pair with a chiffon ETC dress I have, but it feels a bit weird wearing a knit shirt under such a light dress.

>>8609292
Personally, I like mixing contrasting textures. I think a chunky cardigan with a chiffon dress works better than a turtleneck underneath though, but I guess it depends on how they look together.

>>8609292
You could go in the lightweight direction too if you wanted to maintain a light and airy feel. Maybe a laceknit bolero in a wool like angora. (One of those reasons why building knitting skills is a good thing in otome, designing the exact perfect knitwear for setting off a dress)

Can you all help me with an otome coord? I really love navy and dark green together but I feel like I'm unable to make a decent coord with those colors. Honestly I prefer the second coord but I want to like the first better.

I've attached the two coords I'm considering, and any suggestions would be welcome.

>>8609482
I like the second one better too. I think different socks would work better with the first.

Source on the belts, please?

>>8609482
Tbh I would remove the belt completely from either outfit, but that's a personal preference. I'd do the navy blouse with the red shoes and no belt.

>>8609491
Taobao! http://world.tmall.com/item/37680169711.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.JqM5p1

>>8609496
I may try that. You don't think the white socks will look too out of place by themselves? I have a pearl headband that might work instead of the green bow...

>>8609482
I quite like the first one. Take off the the belt, sub in the red shoes. I want to say having a cropped knit vest with medal-style brooches would give it a touch of whimsy and coordinate thematically with the book bag, but that can be a hard piece to find.

>>8609482
Why aren't you using the original waist tie with the dress? If you don't have it, I think it'd be nice to use a nice thick grossgrain ribbon to cinch the waist in rather than those belts.

I also personally think darker socks would go better. I can imagine the socks wont look right when you put it all on. I know otome is about contrast and using different colors, but I just think the socks don't complement the dress whatsoever.

I would also consider wearing a blouse with a pussybow collar instead if you have one? Or something with nice lace details. At the moment it's just not quite there, it's too simply styled and kinda normalfaggy. I'll try do up a quick coord with the pieces you have and recommend the kind of pieces that would work alongside it better.

I'm just starting to get into otome, I bought a dress on impulse earlier this year but haven't worn it yet because of stupid reasons. Part of the issue is that I'm mondo tall for my build (6') and of course the dress is built for tiny people :/ So I was wondering what the opinion of underskirts is or if the length requirements aren't strict like they are in lolita.

>>8609482
>>8609558
So more like this is what I mean with the neck ribbon and better suited legwear, with your black shoes or some brogues. A cardi with a brooch would go nicely with this too.

>>8609583
Length requirements aren't strict, you can wear any length as long as you get the feel of it right, but you also want to be wearing a dress that fits you properly. What dress is it anon?

Bunnies Tea Party in brown from Honey Honey. I'm still struggling with how to coord it generally, particularly as we head into colder weather, though I do have the beige AP furry bunny scarf that looks really cute with it on my hanger. I don't want the fact that it cuts me so far above my waist to add what looks like more length to my already crazy long legs.

>>8609583
A lot of it depends on how big your legs are. If you have big thighs, a skirt hitting them at the wrong point is going to look awkward.

I'm tall and thin, but I do have quite a bust (which I don't mind flattening with a sports bra to look better in my dress). Length is the weird part for me.

>>8609583
>>8609637
>>8609697
Ugh, sorry same anon. I goofed with the replying. Plz forgive.

>>8609697
In that case, it should look more intentional if the skirt is shorter. Underskirt would also be fine like you were mentioning, or you could improve the coverage ratio by pairing the dress with a coat of similar length. One problem though might be where the waistline and bust seaming hits on the torso, but I take it you've already dealt with that.

>>8586963
What dress is this? It's so cute!

I just felt in love with this

>>8609901
your guess is as good as mine

>>8609901
I have a feeling it's by MILK. Not sure though.

>>8610036
It's so cute! I'm completely gone for this coat, but it's not gonna happen unless I find it used in the future, sighhhh.

>>8609901
>>8610437
It's MILK. Not sure what it's called though.

>>8609604
sauce on tights?

>>8610573
Looks like tejamilla

Can I request some Milk coordinates? It seems less popular here and I think is a little underrated at least in the western community.

>>8610584
Banana boy is my favourite Milk print

>>8608623
I want to start selling cute little resin brooches soon, but I specialize in adorable watercolour painted animals wearing clothing and I'm worried that people will think it's just a PF knock-off.

>>8610584
I love milk but it's a little expensive for what it is with less easy reconisability, so maybe that's why?
>>8610629
Do you have a tumblr or whatever that predates Mulberry Chronicles with your works on it? That is a good start, but either way people are going to compare you, just work hard to keep your designs different and deal with it, be polite to anyone that brings it up no matter how aggressively. Or else come up with something else.
I'm pretty sure there's going to be a whole bunch of knock offs on the market soon anyway.

>>8608623
Still have to wear mine out. It's so cute, it took me a bit to get that the holes were ticket punches. I'd expect they would produce more next time due to the popularity, can't wait until the classic cut is released.
>>8610629
Do it anon! People have been making things like that for years, it's not a purely pepfox idea. I think it's just one or two anons who are salty over MC and they just post a lot. I'd buy them if you make some cute original designs.

>>8608715

Well everybody can probably tell I post here anyway.
Never had a tumblr but my ig is jennnyren
I'm sorry that's it's mainly selfies and silly dog pictures at this point, I don't have anybody to take pictures of me (especially when I'm just in otome as it's just my daily wear) but I hope to be getting a tripod soon.
Also to the anon above, mixing chiffon and knits is a great way to add versatility to your pieces, especially if you live in a warmer climate. ETC do it all the time.

>>8610582
>tejamilla
where can I buy them?

>>8610674
fug i'm blind nvm

>>8610584
This is too cute. Added to my wishlist. >>8610584
I own a few MILK items, but I agree somewhat with >>8610644. In my experience, the quality isn't as good as JM and doesn't go as cheaply overall as ETC. For some reason, a lot of even unpopular MILK releases continue to be listed/sold for over 10k.
I do wish I had bought a blue gingham OP I saw at CC Harajuku for like 8k, but iirc it was slightly damaged.
Also, personally, I think ETC/LG are better at cute prints and JM better at more mature looks, so I'm not sure how MILK fits into my preferences. I do love stuff like the pic you posted, and obviously their bags are nice, though.

>>8610776
MILK has a lot more to offer people who want to go down the 80s kawaii route - the cute tomboy look. Also, I guess you can say they do better with casual, simple pieces you can get a lot of daily wear out of?

Tbh I love MILK for sentimental/nostalgic reason, back when I first got into lolita/street fashion every japanese girl wore MILK.

>>8610776
>>8610644
I see what you mean but I do find it to be well made - better than ETC in most cases. I usually get Milk secondhand anyway - and because it is often less popular I can get new/like-new pieces for really cheap. The cuts are usually really flattering as well. I was surprised at how nice a few pieces looked on me despite not being that skinny for a petite girl.

As >>8610805 said, it has a more 80s, (and even 60s mod) influence to it. A lot of the dresses and skirts are a bit shorter than the usual otome brands. I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the dress in the pic. Wouldn't have minded buying it brand new now that I think about it, but I was indecisive for too long.

>>8610776
I only own the infamous heart bag, and it's worth every yen. I've used mine daily for at least 3 years now and it only has a few marks from me being a bit careless with it.

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