/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8577170
I was going to post this! Usually fully shirred bodices are a huge no for plus size, but this actually works.

>>8577175
It's because her bust actually maxed out the shirring so the bodice doesn't even look shirred anymore. It's actually kind of clever.

>>8577181
I think it's also the construction of the dress. Some dresses still have ruffled michelin-like fabric even when the shirring is all stretched out.

>>8577160
> What are some flattering plus size brand dresses?
Flly shirred usually looks horrible, unless you cover it up with a bolero.
Wear something that accentuates your waist. Empire/high waisted is hard to pull off. Don't wear skirts with corsett parts, it will make you look even more busty and frumpy in most cases. A-line AP potato sack dresses should be avoided as well.

> Tips on managing boobloaf?
Pray that the dress will fit. If not, use a bolero and a distracting necklace, make sure to take a flattering picture. No one in real life will care unless it's absolutley awful.

> Tips on dressing for your body type
Figure out your body type, get custom sized shit, spend time and effort on your outfit. Spend less time on the tumblr fat-acceptance side.

> Which style do you think looks better on plus size girls?
Any, as long as you know how to dress yourself.

>>8577171
What dress is this?
>that face

>>8577211
>make sure to take a flattering picture

Tips on flattering photos while fat?

Does anyone have the picture of the cute hime hairspray-chan?

> What are some flattering plus size brand dresses?
This is going to depend entirely upon your body type and how you are proportioned. Nobody is shaped the same. You're going to need to experiment to figure out what suits you. For example, a-line chiffon empire waists look amazing on me and make me looks smaller whereas anything sitting at my waistline makes me look bigger. I have small arms and legs and I'm topheavy without a narrow defined waist (this isn't just fat, but I won't see anything below a 27-28" waist unless I fall into the very underweight category). Some people say skirts are best, I look like a shapeless mass with tits floating on stilts in them.
> Tips on managing boobloaf?
Avoid anything with high contrast in the princess seams. Otherwise, invest in cute boleros, especially if it's a dress you really love. Lengthen your straps, do anything within your means to get the girls up higher into where the fullest part of the bust is intended to sit instead of closer to the waistline where it actually sits. Binders won't do you any good and only work if you're pushing the max measurements, same with sports bras. I recommend minimizers.
> Tips on dressing for your body type
Follow the guides that are out there but don't be afraid to deviate and experiment. Also keep in mind that in the mirror it might look great, in person it might look okay, in pictures it might look terrible. This is how 3D to 2D and camera focus works.
> Which style do you think looks better on plus size girls?
Whatever style they prefer, honestly. I've seen great lolitas in all styles.

>>8577254
The entire bottom of the coord is a disaster.

>>8577243
I try and avoid anything from a low angle. Double chin alert.

>>8577243
Avoid lower angles. Full frontal might hide some boobloaf esp. when paired with a bolero and may make you look less busty (this is what I need to focus on).
Practice some poses which look good on pictures. >>8577169 for example is a nice pose (frontal, hand on waistline always helps) though >>8577171 works fine as well. This is up to your body shape and coord though. Be experimental and rather take a few picutres too much. Learn which poses and angles work for you!

>>8577167
Source on dress? It's so cute.

>>8577344
It's from baroque.

>>8577506
Thank you! Adding to my wishlist.

> how to look good while being fat

easy

stop being fat you fucking whales

Does anyone have a pic of a plus size (or just busty) girl in an underbust dress? I want to see how it looks so I can convince myself that it's just never going to work for me.

>>8577572
Aw come on anon, this is exactly the kind of stuff that gives us a bad rep.

>>8577567
Anon, don't bother, it's really not gonna work. Can confirm, sorry no pics.

I have two fully shirred jsks that are my dream dresses and I am heavily busted but not enough to fill in the shirring. What can I do to make the shirring less ugly? Is it possible to use a cute belt to divide the waist from the top? Or are cardigans my only choice?

>>8577748
Remove the shirring and alter it

>>8577249

>>8577216
Marchen die Prinzessin "Allover Lace Sailor" I believe

>>8577717

>>8577841

>>8577524
Who is this? She's super cute.

>>8577779
So cute!

>>8578057

>>8578060

>>8577850
>those teeth
jesus christ

>>8577748
>cute belt
never

>>8578071
if you think that's bad, never look at the teeth of japanese lolitas

>>Boobloaf deal
Only wear padless bras, and try to use bullet bras. It makes heavier boobs sit better in dresses that may be just a bit toward the boob loaf.

Reinforce gaps bc that never looks good.

>>8577562
I know right, just lose weight, if you can't, just die because you don't deserve to live.

>>8578308
Does anyone have sauce on that dress? I'm in love with that print.

>>8578279

>>8578355
Mossbadger made it herself. She used to do commissions, but I'm not sure anymore.

>>8577543
Is that a replica?

>>8578477
Nah this photo is older than the replicas

>>8577243
Study fat angles and modelling tips- things like how to tilt your head/neck to avoid maximum chins, not holding your arms flat to your sides, how to pose so you give yourself a waist and legs instead of looking like a potato. Cameras can be very forgiving if you know how to pose, but try to avoid excessive filters/shoop, and make sure to use good lighting. Take a couple of shots in different light sources to see which ones make you look good, believe me it does make a difference.
Oh, and learn to do makeup well. Contouring and blusher can make a HUGE difference.

>>8577562
I don't think anyone in this thread plans to continue being fat, this is more like a temporary fix while we all work on fitting into brand. Jfash in general runs pretty small, and some of the people posted here (such as >>8577171 and >>8577175 for example) would be seen as average in size in most places.
Constructive criticism is more welcome than just stating the obvious, btw.

>>8577748
If you can sew, and if you feel comfortable altering your dream dresses, definitely do as other anon said and remove the front shirring if you can still fit into the dresses without it. Adding a belt won't work, because the problem is the bodice and not (just) the waist. Making it more structured and more streamlined will make you look a million times better. Wear cardis and boleros if you don't want to alter them.

>>8578601
>>8577758
Dang I didn't want to mess with the dresses but looks like I have no choice. Thanks for the help guys.

>Tfw you have big boobs but meta's full shirring goes more than 130+cm while you are just 109cm
>Cries cause you never thought they would go so huge

Are there any places that make good boleros that can fit big busts? I know bunny house makes customs one but I want to know if there are other places

>>8578308
I like this coord a lot. Just take the tumblr-feminist glasses away.

>>8578308
Source on the bag?

>>8578071
What's wrong with her teeth?

>>8578308
Bag is cute, but I feel like it doesn't match the coord.

>>8578806
It's supposed to be a mobey dick themed coord. Can't have that without the white whale.

>>8578810
Okay, but the style is too cutesy for the rest of the pieces.

>>8578859
It's only too cutesy if you're an uneducated twat

>>8578198
Thank you for the advice, I use padless sports bras to minimize my bust in lolita, I never would have thought a bullet bra would be better.

What exactly do you mean by "reinforce gaps"?

>>8578477
The jsk has a max bust of 110cm, good for plus size lolitas.

>>8578873
Jfc, why are you getting so defensive over this? Just because it's the same theme, doesn't mean it goes.

sage for pointless discussion.

>>8577160
I have a mighty need for that cardigan! In fact, I have a mighty need for nice cardigans full stop. Where do you get yours fellow fatty-chans? All I can get to fit me are plain off-brand ones, and plumprimo

Kairi is my #1 favorite plus size lolita. I'm really impressed at how she coords in such a flattering way, even the way she does her hair suits her shape. I think her otome outfits are inspiring too, since I normally don't see plus size otome

>>8579056
She's that mushroom-chan!!

She is adorable, but tbh i don't think she is truly a plus size lolita, since it looks like she can fit most brand and especially Emily Temple Cute. Still inspiring though, she is not stick thin like the usual asian girls.

>>8579071
She's not fat, but she's definitely on the chubbier side. Her face is so round and cute, I feel she suits the style very well.

>>8579055
What size bust are you working with?

Looking some advice for high waisted dresses like this. I have this coming in the mail, but I'm afraid it won't look right. The issue I sometimes have with these kinds of dresses is that while my bust measurement fits and has a few cm left over, the underbust part of the dress hits slightly higher than it should, leaving the rest to hang and making me look fatter. Does anyone have experience with this?

>>8579119
It's kind of what's going on with the girl on the right here.

>>8579119
I lenghten the straps on all my dresses if they're adjustable. It's a pretty easy alteration and can be removed without damaging the dress if you're worried about that sort of thing. It will lower the neckline, but you're wearing a blouse underneath anyway.

>>8578060
Sauce on that bolero?

>>8579119
This silhouette was strange on me too. So I dropped the buttons on the straps to as low as it could go. Much better!

>>8579096
104cm bust, 78cm waist

>>8577844
what's the name of this OP?

>>8577167
she looks so gorgeous

>>8579532
78 cm waist? You're not fat, you just have big boobs

>>8579042
now themes don't matter in lolita?
come on.

>>8577579
Holy mole, she is adorable! Even her cane and glasses match (technically doesn't need to match since they're medical necessities, but it's still a lovely touch when it happens). I never thought that a white JSK would look good with a non-white blouse, either. I want to have tea with her.

>>8579078
With some editing these girls would look super cute... Like just removing some of the accessories like the goddamn wands.

>>8578391
She's showing in the Rufflecon fashion show, so I'm hoping so.

>>8578734
Morrigan.

I want to join lolita, but I'm constanly told I'm too big or I would be a fatty chan... This thread kind of gives me hope :)

the plus sized lolita tag on tumblr is a mess, this is the only nice one i've found so far.

>>8579795
>implying this is any better

Not the Anon yo responded to, but having a large bust is worse than a slightly bigger waist, at least in Lolita. It is a lot easier to find stuff that goes up to a 78 waist than something that goes to a 104 bust. And especially something that fits you in bith waist and bust without being ridiculously too big on the waist.

I'm "only" a 97 bust/76 waist, and still it's a pain in the ass. Especially as a Classic Lolita who is unable to fit most of the Classic burando due to boobs. And even if you actually fit stuff, there's still boobloaf/straps too short/etc because in the end, most dresses weren't made for big boobs.
I am currently in the process of losing some weight, but bog boobs just run in the family. They'll never go away.
>tfw when too fat to be seen as a regular good Lolita
>not fat enough to be seen as a good Plus size Lolita

Pic related to contribute, a nice plus size dress.

>>8577254
is the hair...... dreaded?

>>8579795
I am almost the same size as this anon but I am 82cm in the waist and 111cm in my bust. You can fit into most dresses on your waist but what kills is the bust for most, especially with boobloafs and having princess seams dresses.

Also stupid question, how are cardigans suppose to fit? And Do you need to wear a blouse under with a cardigan?

>>8580462
I have a girl this size/shape wanting me to make a dress for her and I'm stumped because I wanna make her look good and not like she's wearing a sack (as most "plus sized" dress patterns suggest) Please post more truly plus size girls. This helps me.

>>8579795
You know people have different body shapes and different fat distribution and height of course. For my waist to get to 78cm I'd have to be obese.

>>8578057
Haha this is me, can I ask what makes me seem particular plus size?

I'm a UK size 8 so this is quite a shock to me. I'm just more curious on the side as to better myself?

>>8580550
Her IG: https://instagram.com/cupcakesloveme/
The thing about her is that it seems she can't fit a petti, so I would be offering your client a petticoat as well.
I would recommend checking to see if she has a dropped waist and a paunch belly or checking if her stomach comes straight out from under her breasts, because a wide 'belt' (more like what's found on skirts with the double bands whose names escape me or a front-laced dress) seems to work better than the digging in elastic.

Personally I'm not this large, but if your client has any aaaany sort of waist then accentuate the fuck out of it in the dress and make sure you accommodate elastic/shirring into the back to ensure the bust will look good if her bust fluctuates (can happen when on periods or if she gains weight)

>>8580550
her blog is cupcakesclothes and she makes a lot of her own clothing. she always looks quite lovely!

>>8579574
Singing in the Rain by Precious Clove

>>8580590
I don't think you're plus sized tbh. That Dolly Cat OP is tineh

not fattychan but have trunk legs like brunette here >>8579133 but more muscle, any tips for legwear?
I'm also tall enough that knee-length socks end a good hand-width below my actual knee and even the stretchiest otks stay barely at knee-length :( I think kneesocks are making it worse anyway but any help would be appreciated

>>8580671
Tights/stockings, obviously. Depends on what shoes you wear.
Also, cute frill ankle socks over sheer tights and knee-socks pulled down to be slouchy if you like sweet.

>>8580671
I have the same legs but a but thicker though so here's some tips:

Meta tights and OTKs are your bffs and their otks can stretch like nothing.

BL OTKs have decent stretch and have basic colord so look into them

Just wearing ankle socks is a bad idea, pair it up with some simple patterned tights or matching colored tights to your coord.

Nude tights help to keep your otks from falling but sock glue works just as great

Brand tights that have prints from AP or Baby are bad but can be worked with. Adjust the images of the tights so they don't look stretch out. Mets tights are usually the best for thicker legs though.

Heels, small or tall, can make your legs look longer and more define. If you can't wear heels, then try to use simple patterns on your leg to define it more.

Single colored tights makes our legs look bigger so keep that in mind, polka dots or simple sheer tights with roses or whatever matches your coord best will look a lot better.

>>8580679
>>8580701
thx m8s
I think I'm just paranoid because I'm still pretty new to actually wearing loli if not liking it, girl clothes are scary

>>8580701
Single coloured tights except black.
Also ankle socks with patterned tights are tacky as fuck.

>>8580708
It's lolita. Loli basically only refers to loli-con amongst the more serious members. Best not to piss off anyone if you're new. Do a lot of reading, study a lot of coords and put a ton on in front of the mirror. You don't need to colour match for this, just look at the cuts and styles of different items and how they mix.

>>8580713
Lol? Everyone in my comm calls lolita loli casually, even the most hardcore brandwhores who get triggered over people wearing taobao to meets. Chill on the newfag. I'm pretty sure she/he?'s not going to piss anyone off by saying that unless they're full retard and think it genuinely means "lolly fashion".

>>8580628
Ew

>>8577572
Where is that dress from?

But she's wearing a Doctor Who scarf...

>>8580555
What are you, 4'11"?

>>8581057
5'4''. I have a 64cm waist at a BMI of 22. At a 25 BMI my waist was 66cm.

>>8577572
>I want that dress

Is there any brands that go for this ironic, quirky style? I think I could pull it off.

>>8581071
Except you would be obese until you hit 180 lbs at your height and I think your waist would be much bigger than 78cm then...

>>8581116
*wouldn't

Some of these pictures don't look plus sized at all in my eyes. What measurements are considered plus-sized in Lolita?

>>8577175
this girls looks like she just shit her nappy

>>8577564
The girl on the right's coord is perfect, but left-chan looks way too frumpy. The dress is way too short and those tights are not flattering.

Also, she looks like a hunchback.

>>8577579
>>8578060
>>8578064
These are all adorable!

>>8580462
Her thigh is bigger than my torso. Imagine what she looks like naked.

>>8581207
Probably like cottage cheese

>>8581134
I'd say a bust bigger than 100cm, and a waist bigger than 80cm. That would generally be chubby to fat depending on your height anyway.

>>8580545
If you're wearing a cardigan and DON'T plan to take it off at some point, then no, you don't need a blouse underneath.

I always worry that I will be posted here but then again I am paranoid about my weight.

>>8581249
>I'm afraid someone will think I'm fat!

>>8581249
So what if you are? This is a thread for GOOD coords. And most of these girls aren't even really fat or plus size, they are only considered that for the lolita fashion.

>>8577254
This must be an old photo. She coords pretty well.

>>8579026
Wherever the seams are taking strain, use thread just below upholstery in strength, double it, and stitch. My waist is tiny compared to my busy. So, I stitch the space between the two "strained" buttons closed with a hidden stitch. I can still pull it over my head, it puts less strain in the original stitches, and it gives a tailored look instead of a loafed look. Of course, test it to make sure you can pull it over your shoulders and your soft tissue.

Also: use chokers are long streamed strained hackles. Anything that sits where the boob slope starts or in the nipple area will just make boobs look larger. Being attention to the upper neck with beautiful earrings.

Yeah, bullet bras are a game change. Their design gives that vintage look under sweaters, but for something a little tight they distribute the soft tissue to be better separated. I like "what Katie did" bras. If you are lucky you may be able to find some on etsy.

But, no matter what, don't ever wear padded bras. For big-bust and curvy bodies just look terrible. In general these body types look terrible with the contemporary "wonderbra" style.

No matter what, wear spanx and control garments. This isn't to make you smaller, just smoother. Everything will look best with smoother lines.

Bring attention to the waist if you're lucky enough to be a figure-8. This means out your broaches on the waist. Princess sleeves are a big aid because the 3/4 sleeves brings attention to the waist, and at any length they take eyes off the bust.

Everything is about taking attention from the boobs and putting it elsewhere. Avoid heavily detailed upper bodice garments and low collars. Cuts intended to be drop-waisted for smaller body-sizes like Asian women will look v good.

Sorry for the post-op rambling.

>>8578057
I don't think she's fat, she just has one of those chubby preteen faces.

>>8578628
Have you tried taobao anon? There are tones of cute things, boleros included.
>Read all your plight, feel the feels connection and then find out you're 109.
>That feel at 125...
There are plenty of things in your size anon with full back shirring so the front looks nice. Might be snug but thats what reducers are for, stay cute.
>>8579532
Sorry to hear how down on yourself you are. Imo you have only a short road to victory, seize it!

>>8579532
I beat you, anon.
>100cm bust & 71cm waist

I am chubby, I have chubby arms and thighs. But I have a tiny waist, I don't get too much stomach fat. Luckily I can fit brand skirts but most of the JSK and OP pieces go to 98cm max and I just can't squeeze myself into that.
If I only had smaller tits...

>>8581552
this is so cute, what print is this?

>>8581553
Crown Bouquet by Meta

>>8579878
In her post, she said that one of her comm leaders bought the cane for her as a gift, because her old one was this tacky leopard print thing, and that she's planning to bedazzle the black bits with pink rhine stones so they don't stand out. It sounded so sweet.

>>8581399
>that feel at 130

Preach anon

>>8581399
>>8581716
>That feel that I believed that I was 109cm
>checks to find out I am 112cm now
>I am very short with a smallish waist and look like a tavern beer maid
>cries
Well atleast meta caters to us all

>>8580713
>Also ankle socks with patterned tights are tacky as fuck

It does look tacky but depending on how you style it and what socks and tights you use, it can look cute. I usually do it when it's hot but I don't like how my legs look for lolita do simple patterned tights help me feel better about them. I think it's because they are covered and makes me feel more confident I guess.

>>8581727
I like the look of simple patterns on sheer tights, like polka dots or crochet tights with ankle socks. I don't like going bare legs either, they're usually bruised or I have rough lumpy knees (my legs are thin). But sometimes it's too damn hot for OTKs. Plus it's a nice way to add an extra pop of color down below for coordination purposes.

>>8581529
>kawaii ass ukulele playing
I love it

>>8581869
I always like her coords but I wish she would smile more naturally? Idk how to put it but I think if she learned how to smile with her eyes and maybe open her mouth a bit to show teeth, her smile would look better since it looks a bit stiff. But either ways, she knows how to coord fairly well.

Here's a blog
http://gorgeouspluslolita.tumblr.com/
not every coord in this tumblr is good, but you can found something cool here

>>8579144
Triple Ribbon by AP. You might be able to find it secondhand.

>>8578064
Wow first cute one in the thread

>>8581946
Thank you anon!! Do you know if the arms are stretchy? That's one of my biggest problems with sleeves. I've got maybe a 14 in circumference bicep?

>>8579056
>>8579071
>>8579091
Huh, I recognized that background from a dress I bought on LM. Turns out I've bought a dress from her! I agree, she's adorable!

>>8579532
>>8581529
>tfw 98 cm bust, small boobs
>big ass ribcage

>>8577162
I'm glad to know I could definitely fit into that dress.

>>8581090
why do fat people always want to wear "quirky" stuff?

>>8580590
You don't seem plus sized but you have a little 'baby fat' on your face which might make you seem chubbier than you are.

>>8582130
I'm about the same anon and my AP boleros are nice n stretchy.

>>8583106
That is so good to hear! I've always wanted one but my insane man arms made me scares to even try.

>>8583096
With how disgusting they look, they figure they can't make their appearance much worse than it already is so they'll wear crazy shit. "I'm a big girl with a big personality!" That kind of logic is also used.

>>8583146
>fattie wants to wear eccentric granny clothes
>trying too hard to be liked
>twiggy wants to wear eccentric granny clothes
>otome/mori

Kek

>>8580536

This, being a titty monster while being able to fit waist measurements is balls.

>>8583146
>comes to plus size inspo thread to complain about fat people

>>8583234
+100000

>>8581844
>>8581529
It is kawaii, but any guitar/uke player should know that long nails are hard to play with.
(Unless you're doing classical guitar style)

>>8583234
sweet christ, that's amazing

>>8578308
This girl is a mod in Chicago, right?

>>8577524
>mfw I have this same dress, am way thinner than her but still manage to look like a sausage in it ..

>>8583377
I don't actually play, but I am aware. I just thought it was pretty cool anyway.

>>8578598
Erm, I plan to lose a bit of weight, but I honestly don't want to be thin. I'm actually happier when I have a bit of weight on me as when I am thin I normally turn into this weight obsessive, self destructive starvation zombie.

I recognize that I have an obsessive personality, and being obsessed with achieving an ideal is actually more damaging to my body, self esteem and life than just being content at the upper end of healthy BMI.

>>8578391
>>8578308

The attachment of the skirt to the bodice is an absolute disaster.

>>8583903
vendetta? someone in the chicago comm has been shitting up this board lately

>>8579071
If you think that not being able to fit into brand is the marker of plus size I think you may need to re-asses. Brand is making a lot of dresses that go up to 110cm these days, and that's well and truly fat in my books.

>me
>106cm bust
>stocky medium build
>I'm fat
>can still wear brand

Think this girl is super cute btw, thanks for posting.

>>8583903
Looks like it's just stuck on the purse? You are really reaching to find something to complain about.

>>8580737
I actually hate it too anon. I hate that our fashion is associated with those festishes and I try my best not to say things like that around normal fags; as I don't want them to get the wrong idea.

'Lolita' gets a bad enough rep, tumblr has now coined 'cgl' as the name for "care giver, little" (daddy dom stuff), so I really don't want to fuel the fires of misconception more by using "loli".

>>8583912
>>8583903
Ah no, not vendetta. Just a lolita who makes clothes and can recognize that the attachment of the skirt really is quite sub par, considering the amount people are fawning over it.

I honestly don't give a shit who made it, if she is confident enough in her own skills why would she give a fuck about some anon on 4chan thinking her pleats are messy. Stop drama mongering, Jesus.

>>8583929
Meant for >>8583905 instead of>>8583903
Sorry

>>8583929
It's just suspicious that you picked this out to complain about so long after the picture was posted, and also it is hard to tell what you're complaining about. Box pleats look even and the seam looks straight, so to call it messy, or to claim that a couple posts are people "fawning over it" is strange. This girl has a vendetta chan who posts here regularly and this coordinate actually got a lot of hate in the past (was in the ita thread a couple times if I recall) so it's hardly been "fawned over"

>>8583929
You're the one exaggerating a perfectly acceptable sewing job into an "absolute disaster" and claiming a post that got one mild positive comment is being "fawned over." How is that not "drama mongering"?

>>8583939
>>8583949
Apologies, absolute disaster was indeed a bit of a exaggeration I guess. As a seamstress I can see that what is a messy job in my eyes is really, in reality, no more than a nitpick.

I think my hackles were up mostly because I see so much poorly made, hand made "lolita" wandering around on plus sized lolitas so I was already in a hating mood. Also those 'I'm a designerchan's' who post pics of their monstrosities on regretsy.

I also get weirdly uncomfortable/ eyes roll into the back of head, when I see plus sized girls getting all, "must have", "how do I commission" over things like this. I think its because of seeing too many fatty chans cooing over milanoo in FB sales posts.

Anyways I am suitably calmed down. On with plus sized inspo coords.

>>8579091
Kairi is so sweet, her coords are so nice as well! She's quite petite height-wise as well so that's probably on her side when it comes to fitting into brand.

>>8583969
It's refreshing to see someone being this reasonable here.

>>8583969
Just throwing this out there about the sales post 'cooing'. I generally buy second hand because it's (generally) cheaper and I'm steadily losing weight. I don't want to buy a brand dress and 1. do it no justice and 2. stretch it out at the shirring.

I'm probably not going to max out any shirring but I am concerned about it, so getting a nice dress for 'cheap' that will fit me and that I don't need to stress out so much over 'ruining' is pretty great.

>sage for OT

>>8583976
She's freekin adorable. She has the cutest chubby baby face, it's unreal.

>>8583981
/cgl/ a perfectly great place unless your being a fuckhead. If you are being a fuckhead then prepare to either recognize your being a fuck head and chill out, or cop a whole heap of perfectly justified salt.Well done anon who chilled the fuck out. We need more of you.

Also, I find it funny that you have a sort of handmade crap sales post PTSD.

>>8577160
All you need to know

>>8584032
Honestly, weight watchers is a huge scam. They have these like... moist chocolate brownies that are clearly loaded with carbs and sugar, too. You have to join a program for it to ever work.
Exercise is the best way to lose weight. You can keep eating what you usually eat, but you burn more calories.

Fuck off, idiot. You're obviously one of those people who have been ~thin all their life~
The best way to diet is find an exercise you enjoy and keep eating what you enjoy at the same time.

>Lost ~20 kgs doing this

>>8584042
This

>>8584042
That's not completely true. The best way to diet is to actually I don't know diet by eating slightly less AND exercising. Diet actually makes up a lot of weight loss. If you are losing weight just exercising then you were only overeating by a few hundred calories. Try not overeating by those few calories AND exercise and lose twice as much

>>8584042
I lost 20 pounds on weight watchers. Not a scam but I don't ever eat their food. Their food isnt a requirement. The meetings are for support and to celebrate your progress with people that understand what your going through.

>>8584144
exactly, a combo of good nutrition and exercise is the best. was losing 3-5 kg (7ish lbs) a month doing that.

>>8584042
>exercising is the best way to lose weight
>you can keep eating what you usually eat

Yikes, anon. Exercising doesn't burn nearly as many calories as a lot of people seem to think; the best way to lose weight is by simply cutting calories. Like >>8584144 said, if you were only overeating by a few hundred a day, you could lose weight if you exercised a couple of hours, but you'd lose more weight and build better eating habits if you just cut out those ~300+ calories along with daily exercise.

>>8584144
>diet makes up most of...
Different anon here. Someone could eat like absolute shit as long as they're maintaining calories in and calories out. However, the weight melts off significantly better, and one's body is less flabby, if they're committed to an exercise routine.

I noticed a difference when I jogged two miles in the morning, lifted an hour in the evening, and jogged two more miles later at night than when I had significantly less exercise and desperately tried to eat no more than 1100 calories a day. Exercise also helps your body regulate sugar and cholesterol levels, something obesechans definitely need quickly.
Diet is important, but consistent exercise is of greater importantance.
>I lost 60 pounds that way, I know what I'm talking about

>>8584042
so i'm plus size, size 14 american right now (approaching a 12)
>go to doc 6 months ago
>asking about seeing a nutitionist
>apparently theres a whole weight loss program with the hospital my insurance will cover
>sweet
>go to first meeting with specialist
>first thing they talk about are my surgical options (gastric bypass, lypo, something with my intestines)
>wut
>go home and just start exercising/eating right with myfitnesspal help
>drop 20lbs in a few months
weight loss groups are a fucking joke

>>8584154
jogging anon, how do you deal with shin splints? i get them whenever i use a treadmill
>'just go outside'
live in new england, nasty winters

>>8584160
>gastric bypass
>a joke
No. Liposuction, yes. I don't know why that hospital would tell you that. Gastric however is a very good option for people who have tried dieting in the long term (not just a few months) and haven't been successful at keeping weight off. You should look up stats on it before you run your mouth.

>>8584160
If you were fat enough to qualify for a gastric bypass than losing 20 pounds in a few months is actually quite easy.

>>8584163
>shin splints
Oh I got those in cross country in high school, they're nasty. The reason why you're getting them is because you're straining your body more than what it's used to. The best thing to do is to work up to a jogging routine.
I don't have the chart anymore, but you essentially do 1 minute of walking and 1 minute of jogging alternatively for 30 minutes. You gradually increase the jogging while reducing the walking over time over the course of a few weeks.

Also, your treadmill shocks might be bad. Powerwalking with a high incline accomplishes the same workout as a jog, btw.

>>8584042
>You can keep eating what you usually eat, but you burn more calories.
What? That really only works to a limited extent, you can't eat like shit all the time and just exercise it off. Exercise is important, but eating healthily (and not something ridiculous like 900 cal a day) is the most important.

>>8584166
Gastric bypass still shouldn't be an option, though. If you're eating because mommy and daddy didn't love you enough, you need therapy to deal with that, as well as your compulsive eating. The surgery won't stop making you crave food.

>>8584177
>Gastric bypass still shouldn't be an option
It has saved lives. Are you serious?
Fuck off you cheeky cunt lmao, no1curr that you "did it the hard way" so therefore nobody else is allowed to undergo a method that you deem inferior for bs reasons.

>>8584177
>If you're eating because mommy and daddy didn't love you enough

>mfw that projection

>>8584152
But if you're eating what you normally eat and you stay the same weight (say you're 150kgs or something), simply adding in exercise will mean that you're burning more calories than usual, therefore weight loss. I don't mean if you eat McDonalds twice a week and have a slice of cake every now and then. I'm talking about people who consistently eat the same things.

For me, my diet is relatively 'good', but I ate a lot of carbs. I haven't even gotten around to cutting those and already lost a lot of weight regardless.

>>8584152
Of course you would lose more weight by cutting, but it's more 'fun' and it's a lot easier for people easing into weightloss if they just pick up a hobby exercise. After they see that progress, they can then decide if they want to cut or keep eating as they do.

What I'm saying is that if you're trying to lose weight just... be easy on yourself? A lot of people I know who lost weight don't really keep their weight down after losing it because the change is SO dramatic. They're throwing themselves into a routine of food they don't love and exercise that they don't enjoy and, once they reach their goal, go back to their old life. It's much more important to find a manageable routine and to find something that you enjoy to decrease your weight.

I have a lapband but it never made a difference in my weight until I decided to take up biking in the morning which also helped my sleep pattern. I'm about to start cutting carbs. I'm so bad with sugar that when I first got my lapband and went on a liquid diet I had the runs the whole time because it's more or less yogurt, pureed fruit, smoothies (with fruit) etc. Too much sugar. Carbs are my obvious problem.

>tfw captcha

>>8584169
Right, so why would gastric bypass even be an option at that point? If anon is able bodied enough to exercise why would they offer surgery? I thought surgery was a last option.

>>8584181
someone's got a raw nerve, dang

>>8584192
Surgery isn't a last option here. Here, it's covered by insurance.
Especially if you're like me and nearly die on the operating table because they gave you antibiotics that you're apparently new allergic to and spend 40 mins being resuscitated on the operating table.

i think the total bill for my lapband (including second operation) was about $400 but here ICU isn't something you pay for. Maybe a bit more because they had to have a second anaesthesiologist at hand for the second (successful) surgery.

>>8584192
Can't defend the doctors but perhaps if anon just was that heavy maybe they assumed she wasn't able bodied enough? It is stupid either way though.

>>8584181
I'm just saying they use it as a band-aid for their underlying mental problems. There's plenty of stories out there of people finding a way to cheat and end up gaining all the weight back.

>>8584186
Nice try. A for effort I guess.

>>8584192
>If anon is able bodied enough to exercise why would they offer surgery?
Because able bodied obese people can still struggle to lose weight and often regain the weight they've lost. Getting gastric bypass limits their consumption and actually changes the way their body metabolizes nutrients and processes carbs and fats. If someone is fat enough and has a history of failed weight loss attempts then it's better for their health to railroad them to surgery instead of wasting time with arbitrary diet guidelines that they're likely to fail again.

>>8584202
>everyone who has gastric has a mental problem
Source?
>plenty of stories about how they gain the weight back
As opposed to the millions more of stories who lost weight traditionally and regained as well? You're willfully ignorant.

Would like to point out that gastric surgery is NOT easy. You have to be so careful about what you consume, especially at first, or else you can legit split your stomach open. It's potentially deadly and never easy. No surgery is.

>>8584206
Not even that anon but yes generally people that get that heavy have some kind of mental or emotional issue. People don't just get to be insanely heavy because they love food.

>>8584206
I think the issue with gastric bypass is that a lot of people see/hear about it with someone who doesn't make the mental change and thinks the surgery is like a 'magic pill' kinda deal. Three of my aunts were really obese like 10 years ago, all got gastric bypass, still obese because they didn't bother to do anything after surgery (changing their eating habits/exercise), versus a success story with gastric bypass. I really haven't heard a lot of stories of it working, even though it does. Know what I mean?

>>8584211
>Not even that anon but yes generally people that get that heavy have some kind of mental or emotional issue.
Again, I'll need a source and not just your speculation. Thank you.
>People don't just get to be insanely heavy because they love food.
It's actually quite simple to gain weight and it only takes an excess of 200-300 calories a day to gain 15 pounds in a year. That's an extra heavy snack or a caloric beverage. Over the course of four years that would be 60 pounds.

>>8584206
Yes, they often do have mental problems, as I said, they have a compulsion to eat. Are you really able to eat 10k calories? I (and a lot of people I know, even ones fatter than me) can't because it takes years of dedication to stretch out your stomach that far. Once you're used to eating that much your brain has trouble going back to eating an appropriate diet.

>>8584215
>I think the issue with gastric bypass is that a lot of people see/hear about it with someone who doesn't make the mental change and thinks the surgery is like a 'magic pill' kinda deal
>my aunt 10 years ago for example...

Fair point, but I also have a point to make that the guidelines and programs for modern gastric surgeries are a lot more strict and they're more likely to make it known to their patients that it isn't just some magic trick.
My friend underwent a lap band but she had to see a nutritionist, read a bunch of information on the failure rates, prove she was going to a gym, and sign a bunch of waivers. She understood it was a tool.

>>8584216
Any kind of show about morbidly obese people, we'll take My 600 lb Life, there's always some kind of emotional trauma from their lives. Something is wrong if you're overeating to the point of obesity, it's the same deal with undereating to a dangerously low weight; it's not normal and needs to be addressed. Whether it be some kind of past trauma, current problems, or psychologically related.
And yes, it's extremely easy to gain a lot of weight if you -don't exercise at all-. Just walking to my classes across campus burns hundreds of calories a day, you're a human being, you're meant to move around.

>>8584218
>as I said, they have a compulsion to eat
You don't need to have a compulsive eating disorder to accidentally underestimate your calorie consumption. See >>8584216. All it takes is not weighing yourself and being unaware of your calories on a day to day basis, aka most teens and college students.

Anyway, thanks for salting up the thread.

>>8584223
>implying everyone who gets a gastric surgery is 600 pounds
>implying there's even an abundance of lolitas who are over 250 at largest
Keep grasping at those straws, darlin'

>>8584224
>thanks for salting up the thread
it was bound to happen. cute as fuck coord, though.

>>8584225
None of that was implied, the 600 lb life was an example where overeating was caused by emotional trauma. And I didn't mention lolitas anywhere in what I said, but hey. If you wanna ignore very blatant problems with being overweight that's on you.

>>8584224
Dress sauce plz

>>8584229
There's been two people itt who have admitted they had gastric surgery. Do you seriously believe they were 600 pounds? No? Then surely you can't deny the difference in lifestyles between someone who weighs 200 pounds and someone who weighs fucking 600. If you admit that, then why is compulsive eating relevant to them when you're taking an extreme case (on reality tv no less) and trying to assert that every person who gets that procedure has a mental damage because some 600 pound sick person eats 15,000 calories a day? Fuck damn, you're dense.
And besides this convenient reality tv anecdote, you've yet to provide a legitimate source.

>>8584224
And all it takes to lose that weight is a little exercise and some awareness.

>Anyway, thanks for salting up the thread.
That's what happens when you leave fatties in charge of portion control.

>>8584242
>And all it takes to lose that weight is a little exercise and some awareness.
No shit sherlock, however, it's not your place to criticize people as to how they get there as long as they're making the lifestyle changes.
>but you can't handle that because mommy never told you to mind your own damn business :^)
Quit your bitching.

>>8584244
is this considered high waist?

>>8584223
>I WATCHED MY 600 LB LIFE ON TLC SO NOW I KNOW ALL ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESSES

The common daytime television viewer, ladies and gentlemen.

>>8584246
Yes

>>8584244
>No shit sherlock
You'd be surprised how many people don't know this, so it's worth mentioning.

>but you can't handle that because mommy never told you to mind your own damn business
At least my mommy taught me proper portion control which is more than I can say for this whole thread.

>>8584242
don't bother, they're fucking delusional. just waiting for the fa's to show up at this point. apparently its impossible to accept self responsibility for your own body. amazing with some of the circular logic that goes on with fatties

>>8584252
>see all the new high waist AP
This gives me hope.

>>8584254
>You'd be surprised how many people don't know this, so it's worth mentioning.
Well good thing we had you here to save the day! Bye Felicia!
>>8584256
>responding to yourself because you're not getting the reactions you crave
How basic :(

>>8584236
It's by chess story.

>>8584256
I haven't seen anyone in here make excuses for their weight, just people defending gastric bypass as a legitimate medical option to weight loss.
You seem upset, I hope you get a little temp ban so you'll have time to lower some of that high blood pressure going on.

>>8584265
>bye felicia
Who?

>responding to yourself because you're not getting the reactions you crave
I'm sorry, I'll try to stop responding to myself :^(

>>8584256
I thought I was already talking to the FA people.

Anyways, it was fun, I'll let you fatties keep thinking you're right.

>>8584271
Why'd you screencap that? Also, literally nobody in here is FA.

>>8584273
>Why'd you screencap that?
Because they think that disproves samefag when about a minute in MS paint could remove the (You).

>>8584271
>I thought I was already talking to the FA people
Might as well be I suppose

>>8584277
>oh boy, here I go proving nothing again
Didn't you say you were leaving? Go away turn off your monitor close your eyes bitch loool

>>8584271
It's yet another black phrase being appropriated by white girls. Note how 99% of the pictures are white.

And fatties wonder why we don't like them, jesus.

>>8584282
'Black phrase'?

>>8584282
>but if there were more black girls posted it would only confirm FA SJW tumblrina scum amirite?
:^)

>>8584283
>fatties don't really care as much as you think they do

>>8584271
Can you link me to the fat acceptance posts? Anon keeps talking about them but I haven't found any so far....

>>8584282
everyone with good taste in movies can fucking watch Friday. The fact the 'Bye Felicia' is now being 'appropriated' has been blown up in the last few weeks, despite it growing in popularity a few years ago.

So, bye Felicia :^)

>>8584285
No, there would just be even more salt because /cgl/ thinks all black lolitas are ita.
>in before the same 3 pics /cgl/ is okay with

>>8584293
>I admit that I can't create my own culture and have to ride on the backs of those who can. :^)

>>8584283
All the lolitas posted in this thread will know they're fat.
The ones that don't try to squeeze into brand and have boobloaf. The girls here, however, have checked their measurements against the dresses they are buying and have brought appropriately.

You're just mad because they look better than you do.

>>8584294
I think seagulls just get salty because a black girl in a good coord gets more attention than a white girl in a good coord based on the sole principle, that yes, many of the black girls with more visibility online and who are more vocal tend to be cheap itas. So people in general are more thirsty when a black girl in a minimally acceptable coordinate appears, and they cream themselves if she's in a stellar coordinate. Wonderful black lolitas who deserve the recognition exist, to be sure.

>>8584297
>Am mixed
Grow up. Friday is a good movie and it's highly rated on all internet sites. Grow up, you shitty tumblrina and just accept that 'bye felicia' isn't cultural appropriation as much as you wearing lolita/cosplaying or idolising asian characters isn't.

>>8584301
>that hairclip being used on a skirt
>glorious

On a more positive note, is anyone else using lolita as their biggest motivator for weight loss (besides health obv)?

Whenever I have an urge to cheat on my diet, or give up I try to think of dresses that would fit me well if only I lost another inch. Also I can't wait to be able to fit into my first lolita dress. It's ita as fuck but would still be a nice accomplishment.

>>8584302
I think it's the "fat acceptance" troll from earlier who is just trying to switch the goalposts now. Probably best to not respond at this point, the last thing we need for this thread is to turn it into race semantics.

>>8584307
Lolita was definitely the catalyst to motivate me to look better in lolita.
To a degree, I've kind of accepted that I will always be kind of overweight (inb4 fa; it's actually because of excess skin and cellulite that I don't have the money to surgically remove), but it's made me want to try to look the best that I can be. It made me care about clothes fitting properly and being healthy, not to mention having a social life.

>>8584317
Same with me with the accepting overweight life. I've lost and gained weight many times but what really pushed me the most was realizing that some dresses and blouses just don't fit well anymore, when a year ago they were fine.

Currently 170lb, 103cm bust, 83 waist, but I made a promise to myself that when I reach 125 I'm going to go either to the Baby or AP store, actually try something on, and buy it right there to celebrate.

>>8584307
Me too anon! You can do it. There are things out there to help you ease your transition -- see if there's a shirred piece available that you don't max out (personally, I would recommend Haenuli because their LXL is too big for me and I definitely consider myself a plus sized lolita)

Pic related, and I doubt she even maxed out the OP's measurements.

>>8584307
Yes. I have a wardrobe full of dresses that are different sizes, only the ones with full back shirring fit me currently. I already went down from 116 bust to 107 and lolita has been my biggest motivator.

>>8584349
I have this in the 2xl and its very roomy. The shoulders especially are very wide so broad lolitas rejoice!

>>8584307
Yes! I am! It's exciting to see the new dresses I'm slowly beginning to fit the measurements for. That being said I do wish I had more weight loss lolita buds but alas alack what can one do?

>>8585466
There is some unfortunate lighting on her face because she looks like an ogre from shrek.

Shamelessly stealing pic from another thread.

>>8584349
Honestly, it's a nice design but every time I see it I just think this is the default fatty-chan dress. It do appreciate Haenuli making a plus size but I wish it was more than just this dress.

>>8586378
A lot of Haenuli dresses are plus sized tbh. Her planetary dreamer and whipped cream kitty went to 132cm bust for LXL

Can I ask where plus size lolitas buy their legwear? I saw that in the thread there was some mention of what types of legwear work.... I really want to buy a bunch of tights from mufish but I kind of assume they won't fit me; my legs are muscular, and not exactly slim.

>>8583976
Wow and my dream dress too <3

>>8587063
I got the cross tights from mufish and I have a calve circumference of 45 cm. They actually look quite nice and not stretched at all.
Hope this helps.

>>8580462
>nice
>those fucking plastic cat ears

>>8587962
Would you mind divulging your thigh circumference as well, anon? That's where most of my weight is carried so I'd like to know

>>8587962
Oh my god, that is my calves too! Would love to know if their other tights work too

>>8584301
This is one of my favorite lolita coords

>>8577167
Posting more of this girl because she is basically my favorite lolita, plus size or otherwise. Unfortunately she doesn't post a lot of coords but she's just so freaking cute. I think she really epitomizes the "dolly" look but in a way that's more old world authentic, like a doll you can be friends with, as opposed to the contemporary fragile waif doll. She also has amazing wigs.

>>8588710

>>8588710
>plus size thread
This girl doesn't look plus sized at all...

>>8588713
Oh, um...sorry! She was posted at the very beginning of the thread and nobody said anything about her being too small. I guess i'm not really familiar with what constitutes as plus size. Sorry again, I'll just show myself out..

>>8588713
Looks plus-size to me, anon.

>>8583907
That girl can fit in JM though, which can't fit over a 90cm bust

>>8588730
My thoughts exactly

>>8588721
Chubby face =/= Plus size. There is literally nothing about her that looks plus sized except her face fat

>>8588730
That's a lie. Plenty of JM fits over a 90cm bust. Also, she could easily just be an apple or pear shape.
>>8588736
Her legs, particularly thighs, look pretty big to me, as does her upper body. You don't need to be a whale to be plus size.

>>8588742
Chubby =/= Plus size. Just because you have a little fat doesn't actually make you plus sized

>>8587063
I get tights from we love colors. They have tights in 51 colors that go up to supposedly fit a 400 lb woman. Also this etsy shop TejaJamilla

>>8584287
That almost looks like PT

do you guys wear any type of shape wear to make a more define waist and make your stomach smaller? While I am in the process of losing a lot of weight, I want to get some shape wear to wear with lolita until I reach my goals but don't know where to look at for shape wear/

>>8579071
fuck her shes a scamming cunt.

>>8588763
Plus size technically starts at 10-12 and above. That's not exactly landwhale tier, you know. Plus size literally means sizes bigger than S/M.

>>8589187
Plus size in normal fashion =/= plus size in lolita/jfashion

>>8580536
I am 70cm and was just wondering if I would be considered plus. Every time I ever posted I got called fat lol

>>8589198
70cm waist is pretty normal. You might not fit into some classic brands, but you'll be fine with most pieces.

>>8577167
She looks great!

>>8589192
...What?
Plus size is plus size anon.
You can be chubs and be technically plus sized.

>>8589169
Whoa, deets?

>>8588736
Her size has been going up and down during the years but most of the time she has been plus size. She is just a awesome lolita and knows what suits her so it makes her look smaller. Also corsets.

This girl from a couple of plus size threads ago is my idol. She is plus size with some pretty large measurements but she doesn't look like it, and posted some great advice about how to fit and look better with a tight sports bra. I wish I had a screenshot.

>>8590322
>pretty large measurements
What are they?

>>8590331
I should have made a screenshot but I remember only the bust measurement was 104cm.

>>8590372
104cm isn't that huge, anon.

>>8590398
And presumably that's why anon said "pretty large" and not "huge"

>>8590398
It's bigger than 95% of brand dresses. I am 103cm myself and I get so excited when I find out AP dresses that stretch that much. You don't need to be obese to be considered plus size in lolita.

>>8590496
>You don't need to be obese to be considered plus size in lolita.

Except you do realize there are non-plus size lolitas with that same bust measurement?
I wasn't implying obesity is the only thing considered plus size, just that 104cm isn't a super complicated measurement to work with.

>>8590516
>>>8590496
>Except you do realize there are non-plus size lolitas with that same bust measurement?

This. Measurements alone don't make you plus size or even obese for that matter. It all depends on your height and distribution of weight

>>8590322
Girl, you need to be a bit more subtle.

But based on looks I'd definetely say this girl is plus sized.

>>8589169
do it anon

>>8584349
I bought the XL size of the black jsk of this dress just because I was afraid my boobs wouldn't fit otherwise (34 D) and the dress is HUGE on me.
I really want to trade for the Large and could maaaybe even sized down to the medium.

>>8577569
God she's cute

>>8588712
Wow, this is her real hair?

>>8579532
>>8581529
>83 cm bust
>A cup glourious small boobs that fit perfectly into lolita
>tiny arms and hands
>mfw 71 cm waist
>i'm not even overweight or fat i lost the few kg i had to lose to be again in my normal shape
>many skirts are 65-70 cm max
>feel bad man
I dont understand why i'm pear shaped but my waist is like that....Losing weight doesn't help. Maybe my ribcage is sorta large.
>>8582981
I know that feel anon.

>>8577564
Both of the coords suck honestly.

>>8581090
>>8580768
This dress is frump central. Don't bother.

>>8581881
She looks like she's forcing it, but it's just a little awkward. She looks like she's having fun but can't show it well.

>>8595072
No, just a spectacular wig.

>>8589163
I wear shape wear for a smoother silhouette. I've gained a lot of weight recently so I use a waist cincher to help smooth out my back fat.

>>8580590
I don't think you're plus sized, but people involed in jfash are so used to seeing teeny tiny girls that the perception is a little screwed.

I think it's a lovely coord, but the thinks that make people think you're plus sized are the wig (hime styles usually make people look like chubbier for some reason) and the frilly ankle socks, which can change the silhouette of your legs to look wider.

I'd say keep on wearing what you want, you look fab

>>8580679
Hmm. I have muscular legs and I don't think that ankle socks are the most flattering. Stick with otks and tights. Vertical patterns and chunky heeled shoes tend to create the illusion of slimmer legs.

>>8596340
Whoops. I had to reread your post. Have you looked into Chantilly? See if any indie brands can make longer otks and tights. Also, some AP otks are surprisingly stretchy.

>>8595156
more of this girl please?

Any more classic? I only see 1-2 coords in here, seems really hard to find plus size classic. I know the brands run smaller.

Does anyone know a good place to buy patterned socks that will fit thick legs? Or can anyone give general measurements for brand socks? I see some plus sized girls wearing brand socks but I can't tell how big their legs actually are just in pictures

>>8597002
Well, how big are yours? I have brand socks and they vary wildly in between brands. Meta are the stretchiest among the ones I own, BABY the smallest. I've also made great experiences with Leur Getter, they go way past my knee and I'm fat-legged and 5'8".

>>8597094
>>8597002

See, AP is the smallest I own. The Baby Socks I have actually have a really good stretch to them. But Meta is definitely the stretchiest by far

>>8597094
The widest part on my calf is about 39 cm (or 15 and a half inches?) I am currently working out to lose weight, but larger calves seem to run in the family so I'm worried they're not doing to slim down much!

>>8597872
I'm pretty much the same size as you, so I guess the fit will be similar. I think Meta is a safe brand to buy from.

>>8577606
>sneakers
really?

>>8584304
It's a two-way clip. It's supposed to function as a hairclip and a brooch/pin.

>>8597925
Okay, thanks!

>>8597941
This

>>8588713
Plus sized =/= not proportionate