/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

RECAP OF RECENT DISCUSSION:

>bogus sexual harassment course is bogus
>lawyers have too much time on their hands
>Misako wept
>save the Leigh children
>fuck the JLA
>deets/caps/NDAs needed

>>8428930
Really haven't followed any of this stuff. I just wanted to say that this guy kind of reminds me of pitbull. Ya know that older dude still trying to party and be hip.

>>8428926
god dammit /cgl/ sure knows how to do a thing.

>>8428943
I lol'd. I thought I was the only one who though this. At least Pitbull parties in the club with women old enough unlike John.

>>8428943
I was thinking Vince Vaughn meets Vin Diesel but that works perfectly.

Hi, I am here to address the hackers whom I believe are named 4chan and RC:U. Please stop talking about this or I will be forced to take legal action. Thank you.

>>8428969

>>8428948
/cgl/ knows how to do many things

>>8428969
guarrenteed replies

>>8428969
>>8428987
This.

This is more for my curiosity but do people have caps about not being paid for volunteering? Evidence is likely to be on personal fbs so I'm not sure where to look. I'm the volunteer anon that only worked for half their shifts and still got paid btw. I just want to be proved wrong tbh.

>>8428999
>Deneice fishing for personal information to get revenge
We're on to you, goyim.

>>8428969
>hackers
>"hackers"
>are named 4chan and RC:U
my sides
you didn't even TRY

>>8429002
Do you have caps about being paid for volunteering? Cough up your own deets before fishing for others, dude. Bonus if you leave in your name

>>8428999
We're still currently waiting on releases of NDAs from certain individuals that were volunteers/on staff to see if anyone can actually post caps about not being paid and reasons told to them why.

Supposedly there's pdf versions of the NDA signed, but in this age, it looks like most people don't think to save emails for future use.

>>8429014
Considering the above, you get an even bigger bonus if you can also provide your NDA.

>>8428999
>>8429014
>>8429025
this is actually making me kind of curious now. we have all these accusations that AM does not pay volunteers. so who HAS gotten paid? anyone?... bueller? who can provide credible proof of this that doesn't have close ties to John and Deneice already? WE WANT TO KNOW.

>>8429040
>pays volunteers
>volunteers

Do you know what a volunteer is?

>>8429044
They mean the reimbursement for their badges you fist full of assholes.

>>8429044
Matsuri makes you pay for your badge beforehand, work your hours at the con volunteering, and then on Sunday, you get reimbursed for your time. It's their way of making sure people don't flake with the badge and make them have no volunteers wherever you were assigned.

>>8428969

>>8429040
As a general volunteer we weren't given NDAs... god my memory is so bad that I can't remember. I signed something at orientation but we turned those in to staff.

Everything about volunteering this year was really unprofessional. I was under a department but I didn't have much to do until another department my friends were in were begging for my help so I switched to them. The days later I just flaked out half the time.

I was in the dealer's room sunday when they were telling volunteers that we should go to the second floor to get paid. They never took track of my hours, they said to just verify you had people to back you up about working and I'm friends with staff so I guess they verified my name on the list before I got there. It was a simple list of names, the department you were under I think, and then the amount of money your badge was (I did a group order so mine was $53). Deneice's sister opened up a register and just handed me cash.

I don't have any caps of this because nothing was told to me electronically. It was all word of mouth. I could try to fish through my emails but I don't think I'll find anything.

Tbh this probably won't help since I have no proof but I'm trying to use all the details that I remember about. If anything though, my experience shows a method of no paper trail so that could be how theyre ripping some people off.

>>8429071
Some of the people that contacted us have said they're not general volunteers (i.e. head of ____ ), and they did sign NDAs, but like I said...nobody seems to want to/is able to cough any documents up yet so...we're having to wait until someone does if that holds true.

>>8429071
That is so ridiculously unprofessional. You should have been told at orientation when and where to get paid, instead of being rounded up Dashcon style.

>>8429071
>no paper trail
INTERESTING. hmm.

>>8429071
You signed something and you don't even know what it was? Good going. Thanks for the info though, it is helpful.

>>8429099
Dude orientation was them telling us where things were, how awesome this con is going to be, and what they'll do next year. There were some stuff like, don't go beyond this hallway (since 2 other events were booked) but there wasn't any other details really. And when we split up into departments, they told us briefly that we were supposed to sign in at the con (which lol didn't happen), and the rest of the details and hours will be given in emails/fb groups, which didn't provide much info either. Incredibly disorganized.

>>8429071
>>8429107
what about the ones that don't go Sundays?
how do they even know where to go, what to do, and when?

>>8429040
I didn't exactly volunteer, but I was asked to buy food out of pocket and they said they would pay me back. I had to track my refund down via fb, but I did get paid back via paypal.

>>8429108
I knew what it was at the time, it was a confirmation thing but I can't remember much else. My memory is so bad, sorry... I doubt it was an NDA and I think higher level staff gets those. My friend got recommended to be staff and she talked about how they were going to sign NDAs but she never gave them an answer back.

>>8429114
Was this for the Pre-Con party or like a food for staff thing?

>>8429114
>so disorganized they had you, some random helper, buy food out of pocket and can't even pay you up front

>>8429121
Pre-con party

>>8429113
I think they were asked to go to that office at the end of the day for reimbursement? Like I said, everything was done by word of mouth. If you didn't get contacted by staff, you had to chase someone down for info.

>>8429125
Well, I was mostly annoyed because when I was originally asked to help I was told food would be provided. They asked me to then buy food the day before when I'd been asking for a couple weeks if there was anything I needed to do.

>>8429130
>If you didn't get contacted by staff, you had to chase someone down for info.
Wow.
Definitely unprofessional.

>>8429132
Oh hey, I know you.
I'm wondering if it was John and Deneice saying it was handled and then pulling out at the last second, and made staff freak out on you, orrrrr if they just forgot it was a thing. From girlyhoot's account, they likely forgot about the party.

Also, did you know that she was supposed to be the host of that party? I didn't know that.

>>8429140
Honestly, orignally I thought that Jess and Kate would help with hosting as they were listed as hosts on the event page. As I kinda said, I was asking a couple weeks in advance if there was anything that needed to be prepared or organized for the party and flat out didn't receive replies aside from a couple, "Let me ask ___ and get back to you."

A few days before the party I was told Zaid would help host as well. The day of I was told that it would just be me and Zaid because everyone else was busy at rehearsals.

I was told this when I parked and called asking for help carrying up the soda and chips I'd been asked to buy... and was told also that no one could be spared to help me carry up the ten 2-liter bottles of soda I'd bought... which also ended up being moot because the hotel DID provide soda and cookies.

This is also mostly complaints in organization though, which I guess is nothing new. While I suppose it's kind of annoying that I had to actively seek my refund, I did get it, so I'm not too upset over that.

>>8429157
What really sucks is that from how my experience volunteering was, no one had an idea what to do? Only John and Deneice had the budget/permission so when volunteers asked staff, staff had to go find them and it was just a terrible system because of miscommunication and the amount of time it takes for them to answer back. Plus whenever they changed their minds about things, which seemed to be often, the way it trickle back down just caused disaster and that's why everything seemed pretty disorganized. Your experience basically proved this as well, and it sucks but at least you got paid back for it.

ITT: people who have never volunteered at cons to know its always a clusterfuck

>>8429171
I learned the year before under quite similar circumstances that if you want to be reimbursed with them you just kinda have to be persistent. It's actually also not a bad idea to ask them after AM is technically over because often when I asked about it, the reply I got was, "Well, they're really busy right now, so it may not be a good time to ask for your reimbursement."

I can't speak for everyone who hasn't been paid back, obviously, but I'm two for two

>>8429173
ITT: people (likely John, Deneice, and their cronies) still trying to excuse horrible disorganization

>>8429194
Or maybe it's just people who have been following this crash and burn and realize at this point you are all grasping at straws to keep the drama going.

So they're volunteer system was disorganized? So is everyone else's.

>>8429071
>> then the amount of money your badge was (I did a group order so mine was $53)
So you weren't paid, you were just reimbursed for a badge you purchased, which now makes more sense.

I have never heard of volunteers getting paid at any con, just comped. So I'm glad I understand what you are referring to now.

>>8428956
Out of curiosity (so this can be ignored if your busy) why are you here? I might have just been looking in the wrong places the whole time, but I don't recall you in this board before. Not just you (and believe me, having an organized member who can contact others in this situation is a god send) but in these last few days I've seen more tripcodes than I have ever before.
Are these people just finally putting on their codes or are other boards just hearing that CGL has finally gone crazy and came over to watch? If anyone else who normally doesn't come here is here, I'd be curious to why you're watching as well. Of course since this doesnt contribute anything, it can be ignored, but my curiosity is strong.

>>8429420
Myself, Pantsu, zergling and Chokelate herself are all trips from years ago. We all pretty much stopped posting back in 2010-2011ish but we all lurk (I don't really post or even read anything on /cgl/ ever unless it's for a meet-up though) and when something particularly important happens we put our trips on.

>>8429420
We're semi-older (can you call us that?) trips that pretty much left cgl with most everyone else after the whole drama purge of 2011/2012, but we're no strangers to the Texas con scene, which is the main reason why he is/we're here.

>>8429429
Goddammit trip dropped when I switched phones.

>>8429430
This, late 2011/early 2012 is more accurate.

When is JLA going to make a statement? Or misako for that matter

>>8429480
Probably not for a while I am guessing. Misako tweeted she is going back to work, but she is depressed.

I've been at cons the same size as a volunteer and gotten free badge, crashspace offered, and breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Pay your bills dude.

You can break an NDA. They'd have to sue you. Which would make him look worse and cost him money he's about not to have.

>>8429420
He's here because he thinks he's important.

>>8429572
hi John
you're getting repetitive

>>8429578
So are you JFC.
Oh shit, someone isn't sucking the trips dick, must be John!

Are they really gonna open a shop in about a month? Or are they gonna be smart enough to abandon this idea? If they really gonna do it, can someone please report them so a legal entity can check where the items are from?

>>8429572
Why are you so butthurt over someone trying to help?

>>8429624
tbh they've been planning to for a while, since the date reported in buttcape's blog. i'm not sure if they're going to open it next month but i don't think they're going to drop the idea since theyve been working on it for a long while

>>8429624
>>8429649
They have been hinting a store for a while but I don't think anytime soon with this drama. Also what kind of store would it be I heard they wanted something like closet child.

>>8429656
Ah then it would make sense that they have items they have kept from brands for years "Oh it's just some old secondhand stuff teehee"

>>8429716
Which is hilarious considering all four of those brands undoubtedly have lists of all of the stock that went missing.

>>8428930
this is epic

>>8428969
aren't u special

>>8429420
I never thought I would be called an old trip I love it sadly I had to change monikers recently after events regarding a pedophile and Akon

>>8429071
Like I said the person I am talking to apparaently signed an NDA and there are things that were told to me, but I am not going to divluge them until this person is in the clear. The last thing I want is someone to get into some actual trouble over this but the stuff I was told is not that shocking to me either given the track record of this convention

>>8429040
I have gotten paid, however my situation was a little different than that of a general volunteer. I hopped on board only a week before the con and since it was a position that included retail/cash transactions, it was paid hourly. She had the money in my account 2 days after the con. I lost track of how many hours I worked, but I'd like to think I received an appropriate amount for the shit I went through.

>>8429125
This happened several times..

>>8429132
I was told the same thing. There was supposed to be some sort of deal with the food trucks where they'd provide food for volunteers, however some sort of miscommunication left us without food the day of and throughout the entire con. Needless to say I went without a meal for 12 hours my first day.

>>8430087
I was told "Food is provided, but the hotel is charging an exorbitant amount for the basics."
This is why they wanted cheaper food to be brought from a grocery store so that we would have enough.
I don't know if that extended to food provided for the volunteers though...

To clarify on the volunteers not getting their badges reimbursed situation, you had to have worked in order to have gotten your money back. Many of the people saying they didn't get reimbursed also didn't show up for a single shift, fucking the rest of the volunteers and staff over. That's why a lot of panels were not set up before hand, things were chaotic, etc. Mind you, we were understaffed to begin with and things were chaotic already, but all the people that abandoned ship just added fuel to the fire.

On Sunday, there was a small office on the second floor where we met with Deneice's sister to get our reimbursement. They made note of whoever hadn't showed up to their shifts from what I briefly saw by looking at their roster. They had the amount you paid for your badge next to your name then gave cash in hand.

For the situation I was in, I was also considered a full time worker for the weekend and I got paid two days after the con. Decent amount, but still probably never going to do this ever again.

>>8430094
This is actually why the Little Witch Academia Cafe they had advertised got cancelled. They said the food would of been ridiculously priced and it wouldn't have been worth it.

>>8429624
People who are upset will just boycott the store.
Until they see something they want.
Unfortunately, that's how it goes.
I'm surprised no one has opened a US store similar to Closet Child. A pretty sweet way to write off frequent travel to Japan as buying trips, shipping some resale items home after each vacation.

>>8430125
Didn't Fairytale Boutique did that? Until they had to close the physical store, but they did sell used lolita clothing/items. So it's not the first time, just the first of using stolen items lol

>>8430134
Why did they close down, anyway? Not profitable enough?

Anyone hear any updates about the whole houston press thing?

>>8429636
right, "help"
Not force himself into situations that don't concern him and stir up a bunch of shit. Not keep drama going that has more or less played out.

He's not a lolita, he's not a cosplayer, why the fuck should we care what he thinks?

>>8430182
Masao IS a cosplayer, he's engaged to another cosplayer, and they both regularly attend Texas cons. I think that's enough reason to have interest in what goes down at AM.

>>8430145
What press thing?

>>8430182
Sure is summer.

>>8430144
From what I heard I think it was just the organization wasn't done well, which led to its downfall. I think if done well it could be profitable, but it's probably a lot of work and harder than Closet Child since that's just in Japan whereas a store in America would have to get things shipped from all over the country or else have a little trickling in from the local area.

>>8430182
God you're fucking embarassing.

>>8430189
married*
ftfy

>>8430256
Oh, it still says engaged on your Facebook and I obviously don't pay attention. Sorry! And congrats!

daily reminder to shame John

>>8428926
>misako wept

wah? what happened?

>>8430343
Misako made like 3-4 posts that boil down to "I just wanted to wear pretty dresses with other girls why did this have to happen waaaaaaaaaaah".

>>8430189
Also, this, but this >>8430256 and thanks >>8430287

>>8430145
>>8430206
Houston Press thing is hopefully losing steam because it looks like a tabloid rag. I know someone else has contacted more legitimate news sources and there may have been some contact with GRB officials, I'll post here if I get any word of something on that front.

Also every fucking verification image I get is "select all images with tea", I swear you lolitas have something to do with this.

>>8430358
>select all images with tea
lmao they knowww

>>8430348
ohhh ok. any caps?

>>8430361
Check her twitter. To quote a previous poster:

"I think it was a continuation of the previous few tweets she made. Going off of memory, there were around 4 of them. She started off by saying that lolita is supposed to be fun and make you smile. Then there was a tweet that was basically "Except..." and then finally the one posted, "I can't stop crying...""

>>8430361
it's on her twitter

>>8430238
not as embarrassing as playing internet police.

>>8430498
Why bother with this thread anyway? You act like anyone cares for your words. Oooooooo Internet police ooooo you got me where it hurts oh man

>>8430372
Ooooh ok, thank you!! Damn, poor Misako though, she probably is legit upset

>>8430523
Why would you still defend and feel sorry for her? It's been a few days and if that's the only kind of crap she's spouting, she's probably not going to do anything that the comm wants her to do

>"I just wanted to wear pretty dresses with other girls why did this have to happen waaaaaaaaaaah"
Is not a good thing, in case your reading comprehension is lacking

>>8430602
Lol my reading comprehension is just fine, I was looking at her actual tweets when i said that she seemed probably upset so you can kindly fuck off

There's not a ton she can do save for maybe kick out John and Deneice, wtf else are you expecting, her to personally damn all perverts who hurt lolita?

And Claudie rears her ugly head out of her troll cave

>>8430694
>ugly
>troll
sage and ok rude

>>8430511
Why do you? Nothing has happened since Wednesday.

>>8429040
I volunteered for two years in different departments. I was basically not an 'important' volunteer like a head or anything, so it didn't seem like anyone higher up cared about organizing us. It was a mess both years.
Never offered crash space, although I probably wouldn't have wanted what crowded/no-security rooms they had. Paid for my own room to volunteer.
Paid for my own food, too. One year, all they had was some bread and turkey in the 'break room' which was just a room with a table and chairs in it. It was disgusting. I bought my own food. The next year, they gave us food coupons to use at the GRB food stands (ew, but better than sandwiches), but no time to go get food before they closed.
The first year, I didn't get my refund onsite. The head of my department had to mail it themselves to me, asking later via social media for my address. Yes, money straight in the mail. Very secure.
The second year, I stopped volunteering because I bought my badge at over $50, but they told me that they could only comp me for $40 max. I'd done all my hours and my head even verified it. I paid them $10 and for a hotel room to help 'volunteer' at this con. I was done with helping this con after that.

Also, heard from my friend at the maid cafe that Deneice told them they would get money from the shirt sales or that all the profit from the shirts would get split upon the cafe or something like that. My friend says that money never happened. IMHO, why even bother telling them that, lol.

>>8430602
I don't understand why the fuck people are shaming Misako so hard over this. She probably saw working with AM as a great opportunity before everything went to shit. It's not Misako's job to do the Western community's bidding, even if both John and Deneice should be removed from the JLA. What if she's under contractual obligation to continue working with AM?

>>8430799
San Japan makes you pay to volunteer too...its not like that's a Matsuri exclusive.

Did they promise all the volunteers 3 square meals a day or something? I've been a grunt for a ton of shows and they NEVER offered food. It was a badge and then if you worked more hours space in a room with at least 4-5 other people. When you volunteer there are not many perks, I really don't get why there's all this outrage on this particular topic.

The profit from shirts thing sounds like total BS. Why would the maids get a cut of that? They had nothing to do with producing shirts.

>>8430982
I agree. People are just bored because there's no new info on J&D's shady business practices or sexual harassment accounts which is what really needs focus. AM is a mess but that's not a crime.

>>8430144

>Rent not being paid
>Fucking disorganized everywhere
>Overpriced shit

In a nutshell.

Is this drama dying out? Momentum in these threads is slowing down.

>>8431258
Only because news is quiet. They'll pick up again when JLA makes a move or new shit is unearthed.

>>8431258
Yes, there's really nothing left to happen. Now it's just some drama hungry trips trying to drag shit out.

>>8431445
Contributing to drag this. Yay!

Im waiting on the JLA and houston press stuffs cx

Mila (French KA) made a statement on her FB profile to share her stance on the issue. 1/2

2/2

>>8431762
I loved meeting Mila and seeing this statement from her really makes me happy.

>>8431762
props to her for giving a simple, professional statement.

>>8429510
Misako is depressed posting videos on her IG of her hanging out with other Lolitas instead of addressing this issue

>>8431864
Saw that too. Looks like she's having a good time with her japanese lolita army in Harajaku. Maybe she's trying to forget about all the gaijin drama.

>>8431864
>>8431937
It looks like an old video because she wore that outfit with that same girl featured a month ago

>>8431762
Mila seems really cool, and this was a simple, solid, and professional statement. This is nice to hear.

>>8431864
Do you not know the japanese? They dont like to directly deal with an issue, but ignore them hoping itll just resolve itself

>>8431762
I read as they care more about fame than real people. Meh.

I'm surprised by how quickly this went slow.

Either way, I hope there will be more solid news soon; like if John will give another statement, the JLA or what the whole deal with the Houston Press is.

>>8432156
I think nothing is going to happen now. John stepped down his JLA psoition, we know AM is a disorganized mess but nothing will stop that.
Only thing we can hope for is the JLA taking action and making Deneince stepping down too. Also hopefully Lolita Brands have learned and stay the fuck out of AM.

>>8432240
I hope people will actually stop supporting AM. Other then the people who are legitimately blissfully unaware, you just know some people will go despite all of the news.

I can't wait for secrets this week about AM

I hope people will stop going, means it will be easier for me to get the dresses I want!

>>8432365
How dumb are you? Staff buys the stock up before con goers and John and deciece buy before their staff. Have fun sorting through marked up table scraps.

>>8432371
I'll just suck dick so I can pick first. Don't worry annon, I'm ready!

What I want to know is what happened to Part 2 of Choke's story.

I just finish discussing it with my usual carpool and room group.

We're not returning to AM this year or any other.

Does AM seriously have VIP premium passes?

Put your money back in to the con you idiot

All that money but no signs, goodie bags, no program guide, everything opens late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7jURm1DLo


What other con uses their money on lolita shopping trips and cupcake tasting?

>>8432472
This is from 2014. It was at a security table that was outside hired. I'm assuming they kept getting annoying questions.

This year, 2015, they had huge printed maps on every floor and tons of signage.

>>8432416
good on you mate

>>8428887

> was gonna go to San Japan but balked at the hotel price
> that's fine i'll just save up more money and wait for anime matsuri instead since I live in houston
> i see all this shit going down

well, fuck, maybe there's still time for a last minute hotel room in SA....

>>8432518
The nice thing about SJ being downtown is the abundance of hotels nearby. Check out the La Quinta and the Days Inn for some cheaper options, not are within easy walking distance.
Polite sage for off topic

>>8432583
*both not not
Curse you Apple keyboard and sausage fingers.

>>8432490
Last year was shit so I hope you aren't suggesting the signage was some sign of vast improvement.

>>8432465
Ya know that VIP goodie bag is nothing but a shirt,letter,a stupid comic ,and a button.

Had a Texan artist alley friend mention this when I brought up AM. Gonna see if I can ask him more about John screwing over artists later today; he's the kind that hates getting involved in drama so I doubt he'd be shit stirring for the sake of it.

>>8432800
didnt this year they had trigger shit or something

>>8432812
its kinda already known that john shits all over indie. its been spoken about before AM 2015 came around. but more evidence of that would help in general

>>8432118
I agree. If it takes her many days to come up with this she doesn't deserve to be leader.

Professional? What professional? She sold her soul with the free ticket to America and a chance to be the next Dakota. What's good for the French comm? None. Only good for MILA.

>>8432669
I was implying it was false they had no signs in 2015. Whether or not it was "shit" is subjective.

>>8432812
>Houston better than Dallas

Your friend can't be trusted.

>>8429194
it's more like, just don't promise the volunteers free food if you won't give it to them. Like most of the time at cons, you don't get any food. But most volunteer staff bring in boxes of instant ramen, which works out well for a hungry unpaid volunteer.

>>8432365
lol, who actually buys lolita stuff they really want at cons? You buy it online when it comes out. Buy kera, memorize when shops update, stalk twitter and shop blogs, hire a SS, etc.

Basically, spend the money you would have spent on a con badge on actually procuring the dress you want and it will go a lot better for you.

>>8433162
This. If they were just honest 3/4 of the issues with volenteers wouldn't be an issue. They might be crappy people, and they might be crappy at running cons, but if they told their volunteers straight out that all they were going to get was a $50 badge rebate (no food, no other perks) and focused on a clear way of people getting their money back, they wouldn't have so many complaints.

I remember 2014 talking to one of the guys in the dealers room who sells allot of import figures. He had told me Deneise was going around and asking dealers to cough up an extra $200 for a table they had already paid for. He was complaining about it to his wife about how they already paid the amount they agreed on and it wasn't fair to ask for more.

>>8433162
I think they planned food but it all went wrong? I went into a giant hotel room with a couple of staff members to pack something up, and there was a table full of stacks of spoiled (Subway?) sandwiches. There was a lot of other untouched spoiled food in that room too, although it still wouldn't have been enough to feed everyone.

>>8432240
>John stepped down his JLA psoition

Huh where did you see that?

Ppl should try to push Akon to do lolita evnts next year. Akon staff basically said if they see enough support on social media, they will do lolita events next year.

>>8433162
>>8433220
>>8434025
Actually there was a huge issue with the food and water. GRB threw a bitchfit about AM bringing in outside food and water; they found waterbottles in the pressroom that was meant for volunteers and started talking about a breach of contract. Deneice had to go handle it and she was spewing shit about hiding the waterbottles in a different room and other stupid shit.

We had a message about going to the hotel room to get food, since we weren't allowed to bring it inside the convention center. However, with the small size of volunteers, no one really had time to go out and get food, so that's likely why they were found spoiled. Plus, with all this running around and no time, no one wanted to go to the hotel room and waste time if food wasn't actually in the room.

AM should've cleared it up earlier before the con, but this thing about food and water was mainly GRB's fault in this case.

>>8434345
His blog post with the dinky sexual harassment certificate

>>8434611
oh yes cause MEK would handle those so well right /eyeroll

>>8434854

What does MEK have to do with AM or lolita events? They just do like anime jeopardy and the karaoke contest.

>>8433214
I don't know about you, but shipping parasols from Japan can cost a ton due to the unusual shape of the package.

Also, some people like trying on stuff, even if they end up not buying it then. I tried an Atelier-Pierrot blouse at a con, liked the look but not how warm the poly was, so I didn't but it. Later Atelier-Pierrot made a blouse using the same pattern, but used cotton as its material, so I purchased that online.

Polite sage for OT.

>>8432817
we got a slightly wider lanyard, $10 off tea party tickets, and let into dealers hall an hour earlier (AP booth still had 10 or so volunteers/staff/vendors/ArtistAlley girls in the front of the line , which John even came by and saw and did nothing about), and special seating for the fashion show and reserved superpass areas for everything else.
Lol if you want AP stuff first you're pretty much better off just getting a vendor badge.... ah well

>>8434723
Do you happen to have a link? I can't see too find it anywhere.

>>8433214
lol nah
I probably spent... 35 ish on the parasol, 220 on the dramatic rose set, 25 each on the purses and 45 on the lucky bags, plus... 8 each for the catalogs and 1.50 per imai kira post card. Worth it imo, especially with the experience of buying it in person for once and with the designers there too it was nice.

>>8434966
those people are allowed to be in that line due to working so hard the rest of the con apparently so lol
>expecting John to do something about that

>>8434854
Not sure why you're harshing on MEK, especially since they have no interest in hosting lolita events.
There's a perfectly good Metroplex community that was working really hard to host some events this year, but they got screwed in the same way as a lot of people did by the scheduling department. Still, they were classy about it, held their panels, had a meetup and a swap meet- hopefully showing the convention that there is an active lolita community in the area that wants events.
My only hope is that they won't be so soured by how poorly programming was handled this year so that they do make themselves heard regarding events in the future.

>>8434966
Heh, I went to AM a few years ago when it was in the Woodlands, and one of my friends decided to get a superpass. It was... a disaster. With the exception of the tea party (the doors of which were being monitored by the HLC girls- which was it's own hilarious disaster) there was NO separate line, NO separate seating. She had to ask *every* time if there was a super pass line, and every time the volunteers had no idea what she was talking about.
So... progress? Lol.

>>8434975
http://blogtodayblogtomorrow.blog.com/2015/06/24/a-small-step-forward/

>>8435229
Also as one of the aforementioned lolitas, I really am discouraged but I am going to wait and see what the convention offers. If we're met by a brick wall again then I will most likely save up my money and enjoy a different convention elsewhere.

>>8434952
yeahhh and also even just seeing stuff in person is nice tbh. there have been plenty of dresses that I didn't really care too much about when seeing photos online but really loved when I saw them in person, and vice versa - dresses that I thought i'd like but hated once I got see them in-store or worn by someone at a meet. trying stuff on and also just physically touching the products is a big thing.

plus in general, why wouldn't you want to buy stuff at cons? at the lost con I went to I just bought some secondhand stuff (no brands there, just swap meets and girls selling stuff at booths) but I really enjoyed being able to drop all that money and then walk away with my items in hand.

Please don't let this thread die, there are still a lot of problems to be addressed that we can't just forget about.

>>8436110
There's nothing you can do. There's nothing left AM is willing to do. Go find a new drama source.

>>8435173
hah. I bet you were that hideous AA landwhale that bought up all the good socks. I saw you reselling those CDC navy OTK's for $80, bitch. I KNOW YOUR SECRETS.

>>8436177
omg the jealousy
>didn't even wake up early enough for this dumb con

>>8436186
>morbidly obese landwhale
>isnt wearing and will never fit lolita
>in very front of line, with AA badge
>buys up items only to scalp them
I'm still salty.

>>8432240
They claim they have like 7 brands for 2016. I really doubt all 7 will drop (assuming they're guaranteed since apparently AM likes to promise guests before even booking them lol) but we will see.

>>8436110
Nothing to do until we hear back from Misako or JLA. If they don't have a good response back about this situation like letting Deneice stay or still supporting Anime Matsuri, then we will have to start boycotting their organization and call out the KAs who would still stick with them. They sure are taking their sweet time for a response, I'm just hoping they're not just waiting for it to blow over and not even address it. Also the JLA is so shady, no one really knows who runs it or who even works there.

>>8436723
This is really funny. They are just products to some people and business is business. Did you think you deserved them more because you are lolita? Guess AM staff didn't think so. Dealers and their helpers > AA and their helpers > volunteers and Superpass > mere Lolitas.
I'm surprised there was even much left.

>>8436759
i'm sure there's going to be like at least 4, maybe 3 if we're lucky (or unlucky...)

>>8436776
by now I'm sure the JLA won't do a thing. No statement nothing. They just hope we will forget and we do. Nothing is pressureing them to make Deniece step down. People are quiet now after John stepped down.
JLA will sure continue to work with AM/ the Leighs and a lot of Lolitas will attend.

Can someone summarise this shit show? I'm a total outsider to this community but I keep seeing these threads pop up and am a bit overwhelmed by the scale to start from scratch myself. What the hell is going on?

>>8436931
Links are in the op

>>8436939
>asks for a summary
>"here's links to 10 full, 400+ post threads about it"

It's just loli Gamergate, isn't it?

>>8436854
The petition was for both Deneice and John to step down, not just John. So if they continue to work with Deneice and Anime Matsuri there will be further action to boycott both organizations until something is done. It's not that people have given up, we are just waiting to see when to take action. We can't go further without proof they are letting things slide by or else we will just seem like an angry mob.

>>8436955
Tldr guy who runs anime convention called out for being a creep and for trying to take control of local lolita comm. Also a bit of a liar and is bad at event planning, people are looking into his financial situation with the con to pull out more drama.

So he's basically 'literally hitlar' in the lolita scene now.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/anime-matsuri-organizer-accused-of-sexual-harassment-7541555

>>8437113
That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

>>8437069
I'm glad John stepped down and I wish Denise would too but do you really think many Lolitas will boycott Misako's organization? Maybe if JLA still works directly with AM again but I don't think so otherwise.

>>8437113
>all those typos

well, it's something.

inb4 furious redpillers make him a hero.

>>8437113
Maybe it's me but I am a bit disappointed because I was expecting for something new.
Great that it's out there.

>>8437138
i am glad that they got a named individual to back up N's story, because eyewitnesses are invaluable.

but yeah, nothing new. i doubt buttcape or choke authorized the usage of their full names either. but it is good to see the story in "print" for documentation's sake.

>>8437113
Good, now JLA and Misako and anyone else prominent in the subculture have 'bad publicity' as a perfect excuse to avoid any further work with AM.

>>8437164
We still haven't received an official response from JLA? Are they just hoping this books over?

>>8437176
Mila posted on FB saying the Kawaii Ambassadors would no longer work with AM or the Leighs. But you're right that there hasn't been a collective, official JLA response.

>>8437176
>>8437164

I'm actually really curious about this. Especially because we know that Misako used to model for Bodyline, and that Mr Yan has been known to creep on the previous winners of the model contest.

I mean, it makes sense if Misako herself has been through some unsavoury experiences dealing with creeper men being in control, while clawing her way through the ranks to become a lolita idol. It explains posts like >>8423729, because it's just another day, another creeper in the life of being a lolita idol/model for her.

>>8437159
Shit they didn't give them permission to use their full name or was even contacted. Wow.

>>8437228
By the time the Mr Yan creeper stories came out, I don't think Misako was still modeling for them. She modeled for them as a paid model, probably booked through an agency. Yan likely treated her differently. Ditto with the Leighs. Paid her expenses, gave publicity and money for JLA to donate to her charities, outings and travel for vacations, and didn't he buy her a designer bag? Obviously treating her differently than these others coming forward.

Has anyone thought about pressing charges?I mean if you want justice that's the surest way to get it

>>8437113
It's incredibly shitty that they censor some names and not others, especially when Buttcape expressed originally that she didn't want to be involved with the press. The article doesn't even allude to any shady business practice allegations either, which is also really disappointing.

Wish Kate hadn't said anything at all to Houston Press.

>>8437197
I thought she was only speaking for herself in her statement? I don't think the KA as a whole have released anything, I might've just misread it.

>>8437113
That was so cringeworthy. There was seriously no need for this to be in the paper.

>>8437309
Kate only gave them the contact information for the cosplayer

>>8437336
So, the ones with actually censored names.

>>8437310
Oh maybe *I* misread it then, anon. And I didn't grab a cap of it either. Womp. I know she said that the KAs all have opinions that are independent of each other though which is something I think a lot of people forget haha.

>>8437348
Mila reply is on this thread if you didn't know.


>>8431759
>>8431762

article about John Leigh and Anime Matsuri sexual harassment in the Houston, Texas Newspaper today

www.Houstonpress.com

>>8437401
What paper? The Houston Press is a blogger rag.

>>8437401
>>8437113
You just had to scroll a little bit, come on.

>>8437401
>The Lolita sub-culture became popular in Japan and then worldwide in the 1990s, focusing on elaborate Victorian-esque garments that highlight modesty and cuteness. It has little to nothing to do with Vladimir Nabokov’s novel of the same name or the implied sexualization of young girls.
They sure did their research.

>>8437356
She says she is speaking at least on behalf of the two Canadian KA's that went to AM.

Statement from Cadney-
http://cadney.tumblr.com/post/122785853479/im-speaking-out-as-a-kawaii-ambassador-and-as-a

>>8437436
Yeah but there is Misako, Dani, Ann, etc. Who will prob still do business with AM. 3 out of 8 or whatever doesn't really count.

Also I want to remind everyone that Deneice Leigh is still a KA.

>>8437527
thanks for sharing, interesting read

>lolitas trying to be relevant

If sucking cock makes you relevant, then go for it. Don't whine when you're given attention and it's not exactly the attention you expected.

>>8437401
Here's the pastebin for that article

http://pastebin.com/vympCZbs

Deneice just posted another statement in the AM official group on fb.

>>8437639
Isn't that basically just a slightly reworded post of the response that was given to the Houston Press article?

>>8437652
That's what i thought too

>>8437652
Yeah, it is, basically. Just reposting it now because it's got the added paragraph towards the bottom about the "code of conduct" or whatever.

>>8437639
fucking called it.

they are going to mega overcompensate and focus on this shit now, and hook in a lolita or two to help them "prove" that John has changed and really cares about women's safety and comfort.

and some efame hungry whore will ride his totally-not-inappropriate dick all the way.

>Look how much he's not harassing me!
>Look at the check we gave to this women's shelter!
>Don't look at the unfed foreign guests wandering the halls without help!!

>>8437701
>Watch him save orphaned puppy cancer patients from a burning building during an earthquake!

>>8437701
I have a feeling this is going to happen. Deneice is driving down Backpedal Lane, pulling into the parking lot of Cop-Out Station and jumping on the first SJW express to Infallible Town.

>>8437309
Man, I'm disappointed too at no mention of any of the shady business stuff too. Like, the sexual harassment stuff is terrible and does warrant change, but what about his treatment of guests? How shittily AM is organized? How John and Deneice seem to spend money willy-nilly, but have zero effort to make due on what they promise their volunteers such as food? They have like zero communication with people during and after the convention. They just expect all the complainers to stop complaining after a while (after all, the next event isn't until next year) and then they get to keep all of their money without apology.

I just wish AM would get their shit together. I just want a nice anime convention in Houston.

>>8437817
No one outside the community gives a shit about the organization of an event they don't attend.

>>8437817
this.

if they can't afford handlers for foreign, non-English-speaking guests, how dare they blow money on trips around the world? i want to see them audited.

Requesting screenshots of John's deleted blog post. Do they exist?

>>8437113
>>8437639

You're a cunt , Deneice. And I'm not coming back to your shitty fucking anime convention.

>>8438429
http://ranchan03.tumblr.com/post/122266764731/so-his-previous-blog-response-was-deleted

>>8437836
They have no jobs.

Everything you see in John's blog posts is wasted money. They're like locusts. They just suck businesess dry for self gain, claim bankrtuptsy, move on to the next one?

No program guides?
>hey man john had to go to germany
Nothing starts on time?
>look man we gotta get these girls to victoria secret and chanel FAST
Can't afford to pay back venues, guests, hire translators, feed staff or guests?
>yeah but did you see Deneice's hella fucking kawaii lolita closet

Fuck Anime Matsuri and fuck them.

>>8437639
Resign from JLA, Deneice. John spoiled lolita for AM, better start searching for some other weeb topic, another con will arise elsewhere that will have the good lolita stuff that people want to attend. Lolitas no longer support you or your con.

You guys blew it. The end.

>>8438429
Go through the archived threads in the OP post above. I believe it was posted a few times, else just search them for "imgur"

>>8437639
I get so freaking annoyed on how much they're focusing so much on just the harassment. That's just one of MANY problems we have with the Leighs. Do they think focusing on just one point will make all the other issues with AM just disappear?

>>8438464
I forgot to mention the jet that they rented out on the runway before Matsuri where they took a little lolita tea-party phootoshoot to help make people think Matsuri was 'fly like a G6'.

Cockjockey doesn't know how to spend his money.

>>8438462
Ah, too bad. Looks like the blog is now password protected.

>>8438466
Thanks.

>>8438475
>Looks like the blog is now password protected.
disregard that, I'm retarded
Thanks, anon

>>8438473
Have you seen the comments on the post? It's the same stuff over and over again. That seems to be the only issue that's going to be addressed at this point, unfortunately.

>>8437071
> 'literally hitlar'
top key

>>8438561
It sucks that this is happening but its really the smartest outcome they could have come up with in the Leigh camp. Pick the controversial topic that will get people up in arms on both sides to drown out discussion of the other issues.

Not to sound like a broken record but...about half of the events I've been to over the past few years have had limited translators or food issues. I hope people remember the mishandling of guests here and begin questioning when the guests are treated poorly in the future. Its the main thing that will entice more guests to visit and bring their brands to the US.

>>8438474
what the metaphoric fuck

I'm currently reading some very interesting information pertaining to the business dealings of one Mr. Leigh and Mrs. Phan involving past fraudulent misrepresentation and a sum of $214,208.00.

Ancient history (see: 3 years ago), but it shows a disturbing lack of morality and a propensity to "[persist] in delays and excuses to avoid obligations".

>>8438561

Ross Martinez is known misogynist and general asshole. I'm not surprised he's supporting the con or John at all.

>>8438631
I remember this little shit going at me a week ago it was cute

>>8438631
>>8438656
He's a real furfag fedoralord to boot.

>>8438603
>delays and excuses to avoid obligations
That needs to be the title of John's next blog post. So J&D are the owners and chairmen of the convention as a whole? Does anyone know if there are any other owners or financial participants. I remember in a previous thread someone discussed John being the programming director but not necessarily the "owner" of the event.

Maybe AM can make programming to attract furrys or bronies to replace the holes left by lolita. Both of those groups are cash cows to milk. Once they realize their lolita crowd is well and truly lost. It will be funny though, the 2016 con...almost no Lolitas. We should be contacting any brand that has ever come to AM and suggest alternate cons and express our unhappiness that AM is no longer a suitable venue to represent or host events relevant to the lolita aesthetic since the unfortunate events concerning John. It's just not very Rori to hang out with creepy dudes.

Is this the level of retardation that we are going to have to deal with in the con communities as a whole now?

>>8438709
Seems so. No one is falsely accusing John of anything he did not do (or they'd be crying about it or sueing someone) so if his life is ruined, he should have thought of the consequences of the things he did before doing them.

Of course there is always worse but that is no reason to excuse lesser wrong-doing nor do we need to be perfect before speaking up as advocates for the rights, safety and well-being of members of our community.

>>8438561
Link to where all of this is going on? I can't find any Anime Matsuri groups on FB. Did they change it to Secret because of all of the drama?

>>8438738
group is still public its anime matsuri official group

>>8438738
That's weird. It says it's still a public group. There's tons and tons of threads where people are discussing stupid shit like this with that Ross guy commenting on almost all of them, but the caps I took are from the one Deneice posted.

Also, I tried like six different ways to post the link discreetly so it wouldn't think it's spam, and it still wouldn't let me post. Look up the group name in pic attached, that's the group you're looking for.

>>8438751
>>8438756
That's really weird. When I try to search, I get nothing. Pic related. Oh well, I guess I'll just live off of screenshots.

>>8438709
>you are harassing him as much as his family and friends
Him, his family and his friends have stolen thousands, harassed young girls, stolen merchants' merchandises, among other illegal activities and has not been punished. If attempting to get this guy to get shit on for his crimes is harassment then he needs his ass handed to him for harassing young girls anyways so I don't give a shit.

>THERE ARE MONSTERS WORSE THAN JOHN
Yes. Yes there are. But that's not who we're talking about, and we will not drop what we're doing to capture the leader of Insert Terrorist Group Here. Also you just admitted John is a monster so :))))

>>8438760
Try this, maybe?

repost

>>8438764
That worked! Thanks a lot!

>>8438773
No problem, and good luck trying to get yourself off there! Last night I stayed up reading the autistic posts, telling myself "just five more minutes"...which turned into several hours...oops.

>>8438779
I'm already making popcorn.

>>8438771
I was wondering when someone would post something like this. Scumbags like John think if they can cough up enough money, they can buy bad behavior privs. And it often works...until it doesn't.

>>8438779
I am actively trolling those threads as much as i can

>>8438800
60% of the time, it works every time.

>>8431762
I know very little about Mila or any of the other KA's but it's nice to see most of them don't support the actions of John and his wife Deneice.
Mila's post seems to be well written and very clear, as well as professional.
I'm glad the worldwide Lolita community is standing up against this horrible man.
I'm from the Dutch comm and we had a thread about it on our fb page, we basically all agreed that if John ever organizes another EU based event the majority of us will not go and will boycott it.

>>8439564
holy crap

>>8439564
jesus christ did they pay the money back?

>>8439564
Come on, anon. Don't just post incomplete documents.

>>8439564
What was the outcome of this?

>>8438561
>Thank you both for being SO professional and responsive when being wrongfully blamed. It shows you are the better people and I'm happy to continue being a part of AM with such good people leading the way!
Can't tell if sarcasm or blithering idiot

>>8439612
>>8439628
>>8439639
>>8439644
Full docs later, they're publicly available. I just forgot my trip, you know who this is.

>>8439686
Probably just a suck-up, poorfag future volunteer needing a free pass?

some just suggested on the forums that everyone has to take a sexual harassment class to get a badge next year top keke

>>8439697
I know this makes me a cunt but I'm kind of hoping that when she does volunteer, he'll creep on her too. She'd be an easy target because only bad, unprofessional people call creepers out on creeping, right?

Hence, "acting like one"

I totally don't give a shit what other people do, unfortunately.

Am I still gonna go to AM? Damn right.

Do i care about all this drama about John and the lolitas? Nope.

Do i want to check a convention's Facebook group that's infested with tumblrinas and SJWs? Hell no.

Ain't got no time for stupid con drama.

I've known John for more than 8 years now, if you're wondering..not that it matters.

Typical AM forum poster

>>8438671

Masao, is there a way to reach you outside 4chan?

>>8439940
Why do you ask?

>>8439720
Worse, anyone who calls creeper on him from here forward will likely just get the reply, 'Well what did you expect, given his past behavior?' Any girl that is within his reach risks both being creeped on and then not being taken seriously about it. I predict that he'll get worse, not better because of this, it will just be more hidden. This kind of leopard doesn't change his spots. That's why Lolitas maintaining a boycott of his events and not backsliding is so important. Anyone who minimizes this situation and trusts him again is a damn fool.

>>8439941
Because your posts are the only ones with actual information and I am trying to decide what of value can be done now that the Leighs are spinning this and focusing solely on sexual harassment allegations

If you'd rather not no worries, I'll hunt through each thread for your posts

>>8439698
Because it has done John so much good?
Though there are group discounts from the certificate mill that he bought his from so I suppose they can just do a group order.

>>8439962
Not quite yet, I'm waiting to see if JLA releases a statement, and if Deneice resigns or gets kicked from it. (she'd be wise to resign).

AM Lolita Special Pass
1 awareness training cert.
1 fashion show modeling lottery ticket
1 flower crown
1 discount Tea Party voucher
1 photo op with enlightened John
1 pc colored hair extension (special)

>>8439960
I'm driving right now but I'll create a throwaway e-mail and AIM that anyone with information or ideas can contact me through.

>>8439940
>>8439999


You can also text me on my burner phone, the number is five-1-two, 200, seven-three-nine-eight.

>>8438603
>$214,208.00
hoooooooly shit

Why are people saying the community is overreacting?
If anything, we should be happy there's finally some protest against shady business owners and their practices. The convention community has proven to be easy to be scammed at times, so we should applaud at least attempting to go against them.

>>8440199
because the Leighs have only responded to the sexual stuff, which has always polarized the general public. them pretending it's all about sexual jokes reaffirms the image many congoers have of females being too sensitive, so they won't bother reading about the rest, and are content to get their info from the Leighs only.

>>8439971
JLA will not react, not without any further pressure and being honest we have nothing to put them into pressure.

>>8440199
>>8440204
Someone needs to make it evident on the Matsuri group that this is NOT about sexual harassment at this point. That merely instigated everyone taking a closer look at John and by extension his business dealings with the general public.

I cannot do this as I will be banned immediately but someone else may get away with it and the moment the word is out it will snowball.

>>8440329
Did someone call for an operative with minor immunity in the group

>>8440367
Don't name any of our sources or anyone in this thread when you do.

Make sure to mention the Baker Nissan lawsuit, as well as the lack of a legitimate charity during the 2011 charity drive, and mention the fraudulent car part scam.

Just a heads up for anyone else who doesn't know this yet, he allegedly scammed numerous individuals and sent them fake car parts while acting as a representative in the US for Top Secret, a car parts manufacturer in Japan.

The cover up begins

>>8440391
I wish I could post but I was arguing with a "famous" Cosplayer and will most likely be banned

>>8440424
"He said sorry kind off so now fuck off"

You all know Deneice owns a day care?

>>8441604
do tell

>>8441604
Wut

>>8440424
Screencaps live forever.

>>8441640
>>8441634
Here is the info
https://www.dandb.com/businessdirectory/tenderlovedaycare-houston-tx-29539685.html

>>8441644
ya i also have caps of that "famous" cosplayer and his shit

>>8440281
Maybe I'm optimistic but I was hoping the press coverage might cause JLA to release a statement or somehow otherwise create distance between themselves and AM. Will we have to wait for 2016 guest announcements to see what develops?

>>8439986
>1 flower crown
Don't you mean a rose corolla, anon?

JOHN LEIGH: ASSORTED COCAINE HABITS?
BY ED EDD EDISON.

Standing before me is the George R. Brown Convention Center, a site for merryment, a site for coalitions of nerdy people to congregate for 3 days once a year, and the site of bricks upon bricks of sweet nose candy?

It has recently come to the attention of our journalists that in between sexually harrasing guests, John Leigh has a bigger interest in snorting gram after gram of that decadent, delectable Columbian sugar. This was recently found out during an interview with John Leigh about the sexual harrasment allegations, during which we proceeded to take off his clothes to ask his cocaine about the last time it was snorted. While his wife couldn't be reached for comment, John Leigh was able to tell us, "FUCK YES, BABY. ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL, GET DOWN WITH THE CLOWN OR LAY DOWN MOTHERFUCKERS. GET THAT CAMERA OUT OF MY FACE." He then proceed to twist his nipples with his fingers while waving his penis like a windmill to the beat of "Wheel in the Sky" by Journey.

Only time will tell how this story develops.

Artist alley anon again. Sorry it took so long.

>>8441754
Of course, of course, that's it. You'll just have to pick it up early.
From John's house.

>>8441680
so she does have a job then.

that or it's some weird money laundering thing, i'm kind of baffled at the way this business has only one employee, and the site as well as the promo video only use stock photos. also the positive comments on that video are all fake accounts.

interestingly enough, two of the sock puppets also commented positively on the same limo services video with no other comments.

>>8442058
Damn what a douche. Would it be possible to get the word out to indie artists in the region that this guy is looking to take advantage of them? This can hardly be considered "just drama" if John is actually going around scamming artists out of money.

Is anyone compiling a master list of all these things and supporting screenshots etc? I still think lolita brands should be contacted with a message of 'Lolitas are formally boycotting this convention, here's why, please don't become a guest here' type message.

>>8442058
This is appreciated, but it's meaningless unless someone is willing to personally put their name out there and come forward about it. Can you have them contact this David and get him to make a statement?

>>8442847
Matt Herms who did almost all of the original art designs for AM was screwed over on payment.

>>8442330
Something to that effect is being done at this moment, so do not worry.

>>8439986
You forgot about the victoria's secret gift cards with inscription: 'pix plz'

>>8441680
Is that their actual residence listed on this site?
Anyone down for some good old-fashioned revenge

:v
http://40.media.tumblr.com/977394744999e406b7310393d0f92db2/tumblr_nqfkukbQOb1tcpm65o1_500.png
http://40.media.tumblr.com/e3e13e70b511673f74206c4bf59f706f/tumblr_nqfkwiRdcm1tcpm65o1_500.png

>>8443031
It looks like a big ass house. Damn!

>>8443120
What is the first image from?

>>8443438
Photoshop of a facebook/instagram picture

Anyone seen Chokes post? Looks like John possibly launched a DDOS attack on her store after her blogpost

>>8443031
>>8443157
No, you idiots. If you do anything stupid, you're going to paint the Leighs as the victims, and for good reason.

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Or in the modern world, served as a lawsuit, with tons and tons of paperwork and legal fees.

We're focusing now on the work and inventory that they have possibly stolen from lolita businesses and indie artists in the amount of thousands.

>>8443710
That's how it seems.

>>8443031
>>8443157
Please don't be this stupid.

>>8443742
This. Also, now is the time for actual work to be done, it is never an easy process as some seem to believe.

>>8443710
Seems more like she's trying to stir shit up now that she's not getting attention.

>>8443710
Can't seem to find that Choke post. Link?

>>8442847
No, no, I completely understand. I'm just trying to get something to work with here.
I'd really rather not pull my friend into this, but I'll see if I can try to find a full name and contact information from David from what he gave me to see if we could contact him directly.