/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

ITT: Nerd army.

I still want my salt from that anon for my fries damnit

Can we just establish that GH didn't contact the press, and that the article is going to be about the cosplay side of things? People were incapable of reading last thread.

>>8426094
Wouldn't the lolita side be pretty important to the article though? Most of the stories released were from the lolita side, weren't they?

>>8426094
I still don't believe she has the right to be treating this like it's her child, but I suppose it's irrelevant if she's not speaking to the press. I just wish she'd stop acting like she has the keep making all the announcements - it's not her place.

>>8426098
From what I heard it's not going to be included. Supposedly it's about the girl who went in for a photoshoot and then they wanted her to pretend to suck a dick on camera.

>>8426101
Maybe she is just trying to keep everyone informed on who said what and what statements have been said so far?

>>8426108
That's fine but she needs to just take a breath and slow down, because she's been making mistakes. Like attributing Minori's tweets to Midori.

>>8426108
She hasn't though, she's been releasing information that people were not ready to discuss publicly (Cadney and the KAs) and when the press report was announced, she only said she received a message about it through LACE. She needs to let the people this is actively happening to speak first, before speaking for them.

People on the "lolita side" have been formally contacted.

Someone last thread mentioned they wanted to know what Misako was tweeting, so I translated the last few tweets, others were >>8425564 or not relevant but here's a rough translation:
>I want to smile and enjoy fashion with girls who love lolita all around the world!
>That was all, and yet...
>Somehow, I can't stop crying...

>>8426119

Poor Misako..

>>8426119
I feel for Misako. Wow.

>>8426119

>>8426119
Oh god I'm gonna cry, no matter what anyone says, I really feel for Misako. To put your trust in these people and have them fuck around under the name of your organization. Maybe she after money and everything, but that still has to be really tough.

>>8426119
This is all happening like right after her birthday too.

>>8426119
she posted pics with the first tweet in that cap, is this the germany tea party?

if so, i do not think there is any ambiguity about what she refers to here...

>>8426160
Yes, it is.

Poor Misako.

>>8426119
Well, it looks like we're going to have to kill John.

>>8426119
There were secrets about Misako on BtB this week.

>>8426108
>>8426116
>>8426108
>>8426116
Agreed, she is overstepping her place in this. Pic related because she wants to announce all this "news" for the attention and outing John for her sake to take credit. Not so much for the victims who are actually more important in this matter.

>>8426185

>>8426186
Yeah Imo she's being really childish about all of this

>>8426186
Who should we be focusing on?
John.
Dumbass.

>>8426191
When OP meant drunken sailor, OP meant John.

>>8426186
Wow she's really obnoxious. She has way too much free time on her hands.

>>8426194
There are 1000s of people already focusing on John but GH get the final say in this for this whole situation. Why?

>>8426119
This is sad. I'm pretty sure she was just seeing the pretty side of things or just going with it and don't make a fuss as long as the events went OK.

oh my god who gives a flying fuck about GH, this is about John and Deneice, don't fucking derail the thread

>>8426108
obviously this is the case cgl just hates her lol

Is Houston Press really the kind of rag that should be reporting this? Shouldn't they be going to a legitimate news source instead of one that focuses on puff pieces, racebaiting and scandals like this?

The last thing we want is the media relating the comm with sex and wannabe sugar daddies.

>>8426236
Not from TX, how does that paper lean? Is it like the local equivalent of the New York Post?

>>8426119
She probably didn't know about how shit John was when she appointed her, and now her entire global conquest of kawaii is falling apart. I feel bad for her.

>>8426186
>LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE
Accurate representation of what the LACE community sounds like tbh.

>>8426243
They focus primarily on clickbait for their website. This includes racial issues, "cool things to do in Houston!", student issues, animals getting euthanized at the zoo, "internet trolls", satirical pieces and more racebaiting.

>>8426183
hey John, are you proud of yourself?
you made Misako fucking cry.
be prepared for people to kill you.
>seriously though

>>8426116
I want to protect her smile...

>>8426440
you mean Misako's? because same
>"somehow, I can't stop crying..."

>>8426410
>relevant .gif?
>relevant .gif

Firstly John Leigh makes AP's Maki cry, and now Misako can't stop crying. He's single handedly destroying everything we believe and love. This monster has to be stopped and must leave us lolitas alone. Get out of our fucking community John!!!

>>8426472
i missed the dramu, how did he make maki cry??

>>8426472
Not sure if misako supporter, or john supporter being slightly dramatic for discrediting purposes.
Cgl makes me paranoid man

John has renounced his position in the JLA http://blogtodayblogtomorrow.blog.com/2015/06/24/a-small-step-forward/

>>8426477
From anon in the last thread
>>8426134

>>8426485
John, I'm def not one of your supporters, trust me. You made Misako cry backstage at the AM Fashion Show and now Misako posted today that she can't stop crying.

>>8426492
Oh shiiiit

>>8426492
the text from the post if you don't want to give traffic to his blog is here

>>8426496
I meant Maki crying backstage, not Misako

>>8426492
Unless Deneice Leigh also resigns from JLA and removes herself from HLC, this doesn't mean squat!

>>8426505
I agree, Deneice is equally corrupt and responsible for this huge mess

>>8426492
>2 hours
This makes me so upset for some reason? I don't know, I feel like this accomplishes nothing aside from making him look like the "better" person in the end. I guess if anything, people who complain about this publicly will get backlash like "He's done enough!!!!!" but to me it just doesn't feel like "enough." Am I just being stupid and whiny?

So at this point he has

>apologized multiple times
>been removed from HLC
>completed a sexual harassment class
>resigned as a kawaii ambassador


Are you guys done yet. What else can this man do besides throw himself off a cliff for you all? The only other step he can take at this point that he hasn't yet is to resign as the events director.

>>8426492
He renounced his position as "JLA Manager", instead of "honorary JLA member" like he was appointed. Interesting.

>>8426525
It's a pretty typical course. He is of course trying to look like someone who's learned from his mistakes or whatever.
That's why it's important to remember that the harassment isn't the only issue here. If he was just a creeper who took a course and promised to change I'd be okay with what he's done here.
But he has manipulated people on many levels and has intensely shady business tactics and we cannot forget about that.

>>8426537

THIS.

>>8426541
honestly it's the mismanagement and shady business dealings that stands out the most. i know people focus on sexual shit because it's shocking and dramatic, but it's telling that the harassment is the ONLY thing he is addressing. not the fake charity, the unfed and lost guests, the missing brand items, the lies to Choke, the PZ debt, the rigged contests...

>>8426499
I'm annoyed he resigned conveniently when it seemed he might be kicked out. Partly because now we won't know if Misako and the organization would have done the right thing, and also because resigning always sounds better than being fired. But I guess the end goal happened, so I shouldn't complain.

>>8426532
Nothing has been done to resolve the issues he has with running AM, though. More than a sexual harassment class he needs a fucking business management course.

>>8426532
Are you forgetting about his wife Deneice not leaving HLC, still maintaining her JLA position, and having all the mods of HLC on the AM staff and firmly under their control? Nothing is going to change until both of them are out and HLC is free from their manipulation.

>>8426532
>talking reason
>cgl witch hunt
Pick one.

>>8426496
Good job anon...
That doesn't even sound like john

>>8426557
There's still the issue of Deneice being in JLA for them to address. Please don't forget that Deneice is an extension of John and that she is just as guilty as he is in all ways, whether she is directly responsible or an enabler. The end goal has not yet been reached, this is far from over.

>>8426197
Nah this secret is about my comm's meet, nothing to do with AM

>>8426557
It's technically a win for the Lolita community, but I agree with you. Would've liked to see how the JLA would've handled it, but he resigned. Now hopefully they'll deal with his wife.

>>8426568
Attacking Deneice would be like attacking Zoe Quinn.

His post means SHIT. Who learns anything from a 2 hour course after dealing 10 years of damage through sexual allegations. Fuck that guy. Fuck his wife, and fuck his life.

>>8426588
As if, lmao

>>8426589
>Fuck that guy, fuck his wife, and fuck his life.
Love this so much

>>8426525
THIS THIS THIS
>I took a 2 hour course! that's all I need to ensure I no longer sexually harass someone!! what is further effort?!

>>8426532
He could deal with the financial issues and poor business practices, for one. Someone like him should not be running a convention (which attracts a large amount of minors, especially) at all, let alone anything else business related.

>>8426537
...whoa
WHOA

>>8426499
Until he leaves the lolita community entirely, the matter isn't resolved. I don't believe there's any way his character could change, because of the way he ran his past business, and all this apologizing seems like an excuse to stay in the community and continue what he is doing. He clearly has no remorse over driving communities into the ground, and we need to kick him out entirely before he does that with lolita.

>>8426600
time will tell.

>inb4 some efame whore works with him and becomes part of his phony redemption narrative
>"he's learned so much, and has truly changed!"
>"a man at the con said something that made me uncomfortable, and john stood up for me! what a gentleman, teehee."
>"here's a pic of me and john giving candy to survivors of sexual assault! i am so proud of how far he has come. ^.^ let's all work together to make women feel safe <3 #ilovelace"

getting rid of Deneice is easy now, though.
>have JLA remove her as KA (if she does not resign voluntarily to avoid further drama)
>get her kicked out of HLC somehow (or make a new Houston comm that doesn't include her to make a statement)

>>8426612

>>8426588
hi Deneice and/or John (no it's not)

>>8426499
It's hard to feel good about this, but it's hard to feel bad.

>DIRECT apologies
>resigning before being tossed out on his ass

LOL this nigga googled "sexual harassment class" and click on the first link he could find. Fuckin dumbass get the hell outta here

>>8426492
>>8426499

YOU CANNOT CHRIS-BROWN-CERTIFICATE-DROP YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS SHIT

omg he makes me so mad

guys you can learn parenting online from the same place john leigh learned not to sexually harass: onlineparentclass.com

>>8426492
>ttp://blogtodayblogtomorrow.blog.com/2015/06/24/a-small-step-forward/


Sooooooooooo.
2 hours seminar is supposed to fix everything?

Nope. Still done with Matsuri.

>>8426525
>2 hours
It pisses me off too. I feel like just one course really isn't enough. I want to see multiple courses or something. Once isn't enough for information to really sink in.

>>8426630
lol that certificate is much bull
such shit

The sexual harrassment course doesn't even begin to adress the fucking business and management issues. Or event planning. Like fuck.

>>8426492

I AM RAGING THE FUCK OUT.

Does he seriously think two hours makes this stuff up? Also lol. I don't see ANY details on what he learned specifically or anything.

this also seems painfullllllyyyy faaaaaakkkeee.

>>8426553
You know, that AP stock problems at this year's AM plus the "lost" VM merchandise that never made it to Germany is probably going towards his lolita store plans, like how he was about to take those extra custom Lockshop wigs...

>>8426553
>the PZ debt

How did John force Pink Zombies to go into debt?

>>8426658
>is probably going towards his lolita store plans

He ought to hire Pixyteri to run his store.

The class was only 45$

So you're saying the pain and humiliation suffered by the harassed women is only worth $45?

>>8426492
I still want to hear what JLA has to say. He can renounce his position but there are still lots of loose ends:

1) He didn't address all these things: >>8426553
>>not the fake charity, the unfed and lost guests, the missing brand items, the lies to Choke, the PZ debt, the rigged contests...

2) Deneice is still part of the HLC, JLA, and the HLC staff are still mods of that community and are staff members

3) Just because he renounced his position as JLA, doesn't mean he isn't doing business with them anymore.

>>8426499
>>8426492
>>8426499
>>8426492

Seriously if you google online sexual harassment courses he's the cheapest one to pop up.

ttp:// www . ajnovickgroup.com/resources/other-online-classes. aspx

www .sexualharassmentclass. com

Throwing money at your problems as always. He needs to go actually see someone about this IRL not register for it like he's buying a domain.

>>8426671
Anon speaks truth.

>>8426678
This course is California's basic sexual harassment training course.

It is not how to deal with it on a personal level, but he'd have to go see a real professional to do that.

>>8426674
>2) Deneice is still part of the HLC, JLA, and the HLC staff are still mods of that community and are staff members

This needs to be addressed. Her even being there makes discomfort and now carries a bad name with it. I personally don't want her in group anymore.

>>8426658
> going towards his lolita store plans
lol this is going to do so well.

>>8426678
The way this refers to sexual harassment in terms of money is super icky

>>8426675
So he paid $45, took a "2hr training course" which we know is like 10 mins if it's anything like CA's online traffic schools, and posts this certificate like he's some 4th grader who just did well on a fucking quiz and showing it as proof to his parents so they give him candy???? FUCK HIM.

>>8426693
>So he paid $45, took a "2hr training course" which we know is like 10 mins if it's anything like CA's online traffic schools

It's probably even worse. This is a very basic blanket course meant to be show to employees in the workplace.

>>8426675
>>8426693
He didn't even pay for the Spanish or Advanced classes.
That means he can still sexually harass Hispanic girls or do Advanced sexual harassment.

>>8426696
Poor spanish girls.

>>8426693
The sad thing is his literal parents probably ARE praising him, kek

John is sorely mistaken if he thinks this has appeased anyone. If anything, this has made even more apparent how delusional and unfit he is to maintain his position within Matsuri and the JLA.

>>8426607
Nope. He's right actually. His certificate on the JLA page DOES say general manager

>>8426718
>JLA
Good thing he just resigned?

>>8426605
Why do you all only seem to care about this now? PZ going down is old hat. The poorly run events are as old as year 1. Why didn't you give a shit then?

>>8426557
He was probably advised to in order to prevent further embarrassment

>>8426724
That's meaningless when he's still going to be doing business with them and he is still effectively a manager through his wife.

>>8426725
This doesn't have to do with just Planet Zero, genius. It also doesn't help that he broke into Planet Zero and absconded with forfeited property.

>>8426589
>10 years of damage through sexual allegations
Does anyone think a longer course would truly change this guy? He's doing it for his image. I really doubt any class is going to magically make him a better person.

>>8426537
>>8426719
Just a cap of the english part, but yeah, they are general managers

>>8426725
A lot of people did not know about the HLC drama until a year or so ago. Even now it took months after AM 2015 for things to be talked about, many stuff was just rumours, such as the not giving back brand situation that was rumoured to happen before but we know happened with the tea party. PZ is not something many who are in lolita would know either as it is not fashion related.

>>8426492
I work for the training department @ my company and actually give this course (AB 1825 and AB 2053 sexual harassment compliance) out. First, the certificate is pretty damn dubious and kinda pointless, as long as there's record it's completed nobody cares.

Secondly and more importantly... this course is just a legal butt-cover some jobs require, and has no relevance to the dumb stunts he's pulled. All it does is talk about what "you" (a manager or supervisor at a company) should do to recognize, and resolve situations of sexual harassment between your employees. It has not a freaking thing to do with your _OWN_ conduct. Even if he's trying to clean up his act (which pfft no way) this course has nothing to do with that.

>>8426731
Holy shit, John is America?

>>8426731
His wife is still a manager, meaning she outranks the KAs

Reposting from the previous thread (autosaged)

I've told Reika about it, and sent the link to the petition to her when news broke. It wasn't translated then, so I tried to explain to her what happened to the best of my ability. She was concerned that this happened, but said that John don't harass the cosplay guests.
She'll still be attending John's Hawaii event, but I'm not surprised since the drama doesn't affect her.

>>8426728
PZ is the only proven failure with money. So...what are you talking about?

My point is that his poor ability to manage events has been happening since year one, yet only now are you all out to Lynch him.

>>8426735
It's pretty Engrish, but it's supposed to be honorary kawaii ambassador for America and a general manager

>>8426675
Nigga could have at least sprung for the advanced class.

>>8426738
For the cosplay & fashion guests, I'm more concerned of them being mistreated: not fed, no translator, no handler, back to back sessions with no breaks, not having the info and equipment they need to present or be successful in their panels, etc. I think any sexual innuendos would be lost on them because he would need a translator to talk to them. He doesn't know Japanese, lol.

>>8426738
So Reika just doesn't give a fuck because she wasn't effected? Stay classy.

>>8426741
Better late than never dude.

Stop trying to derail.

>>8426752
well I know for a fact someone fucked up her translator at AM the first year she came.

>>8426753
>woman turning down free vacation to hawaii

lololololol

>>8426741
Egregious sexual harassment does that to a community of women.
PZ is not the only failure with money.

1) Failed to pay staff of Import Reactor.
2) Got sued by Baker Nissan.
3) Failed to pay out prize moneyNUMEROUS times at Planet Zero.
4) Stole forfeited property after PZ closed and used it at Matsuri 2013.
5) Failed to pay Nightmare the first time around.
6) Did not pay fucking MIYAVI.
7) Ran out of money so he couldn't buy food or pay translators/handlers.
8) Tried to get Nina to leave behind all of her product for his own financial gain.
9) Is suspected of stealing incredible amounts of product from other vendors over the years.

>>8426741
What about the fake Japan Relief Charity?
Most people that aren't on the inside of the situation don't know about the real issues, and most people who are on the inside didn't want to lose their friends that were also involved. Now that people are coming forward and talking about it the international community is getting involved.
Is that so fucking hard to understand?

>>8426760
Thanks.

10) Is suspected of pocketing all of the money for this "Japan Helper" initiative that was never set up with either the IRS or the Texas Secretary of State and nothing was heard about where the money ended up after the convention ended.

>>8426736
So when are people going to stop worshipping Misakock and call her out on this bullshit?
If we're going after everybody and anybody that supports these clowns, then why isn't she on the chopping block too?
Hits too close to home? Then just admit you guys play favorites and you excuse the dismissal of harassment so long as the person doing it is someone typically liked. Hypocrites.

>>8426759
Failed to pay promised cosplay prize money.

Then said it was given instead to a charity organization.

>>8426759
I think I've said this once every thread but where do you think all these limo trips and air planes and lavish vacations come from? He just takes all the money from Matsuri and goes crazy with it.

He and his wife aren't employed. Their whole family is supported by matsuri. (Wait if matsuri is like their child, is that child labor? )

>>8426651
This. Let's see him actually take a legit course at a college or something. At least it'd look more credible.

>>8426774
And gifts and big dinners and Victoria Secret shopping.

And we wonder why we don't have program guides and no volunteers are fed.

>>8426780
He and his wife both need to seek counseling. Not a coarse that's preventative.

Just saying here is his "certificate"

>>8426767
Given what we know about John and his spin doctor behavior patterns, it's unclear if Misako was aware of the situation in it's entirety. If she allows for Denice to continue in her position and continues to support AM, then, yes, I personally will be boycotting her in addition to AM related events.

She's not my favorite kera model and frankly I'm already not going out of my way to support her.

>>8426784
oh my god this is perfect

>>8426787
I don't know this Misako but why can't you weebs just go message her? Is she some untouchable god that only John can talk to?

>>8426790
Like I said on the original comment on the forums not buying his shit

>>8426734
>John Leigh: trying to sweep everything under the rug in completely wrong ways

>>8426793
I think a few people have tweeted her apologising.

>>8426492
the tragic part is that this wasn't intended as a joke

>>8426759
Doesn't texas have laws about prize money and prize giving at events?

>>8426752
This is one of the many aspects of this whole thing that annoys the fuck out of me. Having staffed cons for well over a decade, staffing every department, including guest relations, who the fuck does this? This is not something I'd expect from a convention that's been going for NINE years. Maybe a first or second year. This is shit one of the larger cons in my state wouldn't even pull and they are known to be a shithole because of non-payment and not even caring about guests or attendees just the bottom line.

When you run events like these, you don't do it (solely) for yourself and your personal gains. You do it for others. If knowing that your event made someone's weekend makes everything you've stressed over, cried over, lost sleep over, all worthwhile, then great. Your heart is in the right place.

Clearly John thinks if his cock is out, his heart must be in the right place.

>>8426784
Am I missing something? The template looks nothing like what he presented.

>>8426793

She's a celebrity, but yes, she's been contacted on public channels like twitter for sure, in her own language.

>>8426815
Let's be serious here. It's a two hour training course. You put it on while you do other work and click around when prompted. It cost less than taking a family of 4 to a fast food place for dinner. Faking it isn't worth it.

>>8426803
I'll look into it, I'm pretty sure there is, as any tournament with an entry fee and no entry compensation is considered "gambling" under the statutory provisions of most states.

Thing is, most of the people who didn't get paid out were from overseas, from what I have been told by several people that are heavily involved in the fighting game community.

>>8426793
She has been contacted now for sure, people have gotten stuff translated. Im not sure how much of the accounts have been, but the petition for sure has. Seeing how her tweets in >>8426119 seem to be about the situation, she knows about the drama.

>>8426199
Don't forget that her home is full of cameras right now and that all of this is going to be included about a documentary about lolita fashion and the community.
She's going to paint us in such a bad light, I can just feel it.

>>8426814
The fuck do you mean "surprised", you've been snooping around supporting john the whole time
Ughh fuck Daniela and fuck whatever bs statement she's going to put out

>>8426839
>her home is full of cameras right now
source? making a documentary doesn't mean she's being filmed at home 24/7.
also what does that have to do with anything

>>8426839
Dude, it's a low budget documentary, not the NSA

>>8426641
I'm not an anti-Catholic person (or I don't really view myself that way, but does it mean I am anti-Catholic if I find a lot of issues with the church but don't hate the religion? I don't know), but I can't quite trust a domestic violence course given by "Commonwealth Catholic Charities". Sometimes strict behaviors that are grounded in religious reasons give rise to abusive situations, and as far as throwing things under the rug religions go, Catholicism is ranked pretty high up there.

Also, fuck Chris Brown and everybody else that thinks a certificate absolves them of their crime. Taking a driving class after mowing over somebody wouldn't get rid of what happened, would it?

>>8426185
Is her baked potato bigger than her steak? That's some bullshit.

>>8426914
>Taking a driving class after mowing over somebody wouldn't get rid of what happened, would it?
No, but coming out as trans does.

>>8426917
Is it though? For a person whose diet isn't primarily red meat?
Also you've clearly never ordered a baked potato in Texas. They're always the size of your fucking head.

>>8426828
I can't remember the jargon for it, but in relation to public prize money there is some weird law about it involving sweepstakes and allocation of promised funds. I just can't remember it for the life of me.

>>8426941
Thanks, keywords help a lot when slogging through statutes. Need to get some sleep but I'll give it a go in the morning.

>>8426926
ba da tss

>>8426926
Oh shit. I've only heard one person other than you mention it when talking about Caitlyn.

>>8426926
I'm only saying this because we're anon. Wasn't that lady who died old as balls anyway? She probably would have kicked the bucket sometime that year.

>>8426759
>proven
>PROVEN

when you can post legitimate evidence that all of that happened then we'll talk. You do know what legitimate evidence is right? I would hope so layer-senpai

>>8426949
The lady being old already doesn't excuse the bad driving that led to them killing someone, what the fuck
Also, this shouldn't have to be said, but you can be old as balls and still be healthy and functioning.

>>8426975
>layer

Can someone figure out where fucking Masao works and report him for not doing his job? Do you have no life dude? I hope you finally found your purpose in life, stirring shit on an anonymous image board.

>>8426758
Tbh I understand where she's coming from. She relies mainly on her cosplay for revenue so I don't think it matters to her as long as she gets money from sales etc.

>>8426559
A-fucking-MEN

>>8426992
YAWNS
hi John
0/10

>>8426975

>>8426992
do it yourself if you're so concerned

>>8426992
>stirring shit
>even though Masao is only gathering stories and evidence, he's not the one coming forward with them himself

>>8426992
Why don't you fb Masao? Pretty sure you can find him there online.

>>8426992
Do it yourself lazy ass

>>8426992
what's that? scared more people are going to come forward with stories and evidence against you, John?

>>8427003
Wow I really hope you didn't make that just for me. If you did I'm flattered.

>>8427017
He's just scared because he knows the stuff Masao is posting the the stuff that can seriously take him down. (it's still sad to me that the sexual harassment stuff is not enough in today's world but whatever)

>>8427025
You mean all the hearsay and rumors? Yep, that will take em down!

>>8427003
Those eyes really bother me. Should do something about those. I'm sure he can afford it with the con monies.

>>8427029
You've obviously not been paying attention.
Or you're John

>>8427062
Baby, I've been paying attention for years. That's the point. Nothing has happened yet. If even half of this shit was true they would have gone under by now.

>>8426119
Oh boy, Misako's good. Real good.

>>8427024
S-senpai
I just wanted you to notice

>The staff discuss the issues with Heroes of Cosplay, such as the lawsuit for using copyrighted photos, and that the winning team from Anime Matsuri didn’t get their prize money.

I just found this on animejamsession(.)com. Did the cosplayers from the HoC year not get their prize money either?

I think I am most mad about looking through John's FB and seeing all these trips he's taken but he doesn't pay people.

>>8427106
pretty sure that they're contractually obligated to pay them their prize money. the winning team should review all the paperwork they signed, contact a lawyer, and probably sue.

>>8426641
Ok but in all fairness a 52 week course is way more legit

you guys are so weird. i don't know if that's an american thing or what, but why do so many anons here care that john only took the cheapest, smallest course on sexual harassment? i didn't think anyone actually believed he was truly sorry, what with the way his first answer was just victim blaming and "it's just a joke, guys". he just backpedaled for damage control when the first approach didn't work too well.

it's not that he doesn't understand he's doing sexual arrassment, it's that he doesn't care. a fucking degree in sexual arrassment (and i seriously hope you guys don't have something like that) would not change that, and imo he would have looked like an even bigger asshole if he'd taken some more legit course. why do you people care so much that his fake repentance looks, well, faked?

john seems like a shady person all around and it's important to have him removed from his position of power in regards to the lolita community, but it's not like he can undo what he did either and it's really silly to expect him to do so.

>>8427161
I don't think it really mattered either that he takes ANY kinds of courses or not. He clearly doesn't care at all if he can easily just buy his way and sit through a measly 2 hours on an online course. I don't get what makes anyone think a thorough course of the matter will change his ways.

>>8426696
kek

>>8426279
lmao i still can't get over how she unfriended me for posting the LACE parody video

>>8426840
This.

Daniela is trying hard to lobby other KA prior to John's statement.

If it were me, I would put my money on his taking course and stepping down is actually the idea they come up collectively in order to evade the scrutiny of the community.

Does anyone on the inside with John or Deneise know how they are REALLY handling all of this? Or are they on lock down and being quiet with everyone?

>>8426696
i died.

>>8427161
1. We know he is an unrepentant creeper. We know he's just doing this to try and appear contrite so people will accept him and go back to giving him their money.

2. It's not a degree, it's a certificate that says "I took a 2 hour training course for my employer," which is what that course was intended for. We know it was not actually something to rehabilitate abusers.

>>8426759
whoa whoa whoa whoa
WHAT
What do you mean they didn't pay Miyavi?

>>8427312
Got brought up in a previous thread. Haven't seen any official word on it though.

>>8426814
Lol she can't even Spanish

>>8426186
>LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LACE LACE LACE LACE LACE LOOK AT ME
>yo this isn't about you
>UMM WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT JOHN

>>8426671
who wants to bet he wrote it off as "business expenses"

>>8426929
Plus when baking a potato its better to use larger ones over smaller ones

>>8427412
oh god if that would be the case I'd be furious

>>8427312
>>8427321
Verification would have to be done by either contacting J-Glam (unsure if they were managing Miyavi back then though) or auditing the convention. There is no "proof" to be had otherwise, unless you count the dozen or so staff members that have said in the past that they know he was never paid.

Unfortunately, a NDA is still scary to a layperson despite the fact that NDAs are typically incredibly hard to enforce (not like these are trade secrets) and require you to actually retain an attorney and file suit, which from objective accounts this individual does not seem to have the money for. No one is coming forward with their firsthand knowledge because of this fear. I can only recommend that the staffers in question, some of whom I know are following this thread, contact an attorney in their area to determine their rights and decide if they want to break radio silence.

>>8426781
I modeled a couple years ago and he took as all out to dinner after one rehearsal. I adore filet mignon but really didnt want to get it because it's so expensive. I was going to opt for a sald until he encouraged all of us to get whatever we wanted regrdless of price. I ended up splitting a steak with the girl next to me because I felt weird ordering something that expensive with the AM staff.

>>8427592
You mean the dozens of staff that came forward on an anonymous image board?

>>8427621
No, the dozen or so staff that talked about it openly at your convention this year and on their Facebook pages, John/Deneice.

>>8427635
And yet no one has proved it. Isn't that funny.

>>8427743
So does that mean youre confirming as John/ Deneice? Get the fuck out of here, no one wants you and we never wanted you here in the first place.

>>8427743
Doesn't need to prove anything to you

Why were all these guests and musicians not paid upfront? They really should've just Night Vale'd right outta there!

>>8427769
>>8427790

>asking for proof of allegations
>JOHN AND DENISE!!!!!?!

I'm sorry I want legitimate proof? I'm sorry I don't just take things posted on 4chan as fact? If all these staff members blabbed all about it on FB why have we never seen screens?

How do you jack offs play to "take them down" for fraud without cold evidence they've mismanaged money? Do you not know how court works?

>>8427816
Masao is working on that now, dimwit. Stop getting your panties in a twist. Also why would he post other people's Facebook information when you can just as easily look it up yourself? Either step up or shut up, Christ.

>>8427816
If people make enough stink and bring up what a shitshow it is, the con will eventually die and fizzle out or be handed off to someone who can actually run a decent show. I've seen it happen with poor management plenty of times.

>>8427816
If this is anything like how they managed planet zero, AM will go down by itself soon. It doesn't need our help to die, it will die on its own. So don't worry about proof or it didn't happen anon, the mismanagement will show its impacts soon.

>>8427830
Oh right, the internet lawyer. The amazing lawyer who has so much free time he's posting on 4chan all day. Why do you need him to post it? People have been posting proof of shit left and right but someone asks for proof about this and lol why do we need to supply that? LOL the lawyer is working on it!

>>8426532
Oh, silly John. Thinking you actually DID things of any real merit.

I don't think we've gone for the jugular of this yet. I think we could get him on the basis of sexual harassment.

>>8427801
In my opinion, I think most of them are either too trusting or just plain gullible. When the safe thing happened, everyone stuck around because they knew they wouldn't get paid if they just took John's word for it.

>>8427816
No one is taking anyone down for anything right now, so calm down. Of course sources will not be posted publicly unless they want to be posted publicly, to avoid retaliation. The only thing holding back certain sources from going public (zergling's twin knows more about this) is the NDA.

>>8427832
This.

>>8427849
Forgot trip.

>>8427840
I'm assuming you're either summer or John/Deneice, but I'm pretty well-known around here. Auto-update is a pretty nifty tool on my triple monitor set-up while I'm filing petitions.

>>8427840
My brother is a lawyer and he browses "shit reddit says" at work every damn day. Being a lawyer doesn't mean you're magically important and that your free time disappears and that your taste for dumb websites is now non-existent. It just means you spent three years of your life studying the law and you had to past an extremely difficult test in order to prove you'd be competent at it.

>>8427856
This so much lol. Unless you're working 24/7 at a corporate firm for shit pay and a *chance* at partner, you're not killing yourself billing hours. Like, shit. Also the bar isn't particularly hard in most states and it doesn't necessarily test competency, it's more of a minor paygate that lets in a lot of morons.

>>8427856
You don't see a difference between occasionally browsing a site and literally spending all day on it?

>>8427867
And this matters... Why? Lol.

>>8427801
An explanation from someone who kind of knows what the hell they're talking about.

Only comic cons pay some of their guest upfront or at least a portion of their guarantee before they step foot. This generally applies to the big names. Anything below headliners will get paid at the end of the show.

Anime cons rarely pay any guest up front unless negotiated by the manger or their representing company. Unless they are musicians or recognizable voice actors they usually don't have an agent. Sometimes bigger name Japanese guests might require an upfront wire but almost all guests put faith in the convention that they won't get screwed over. They figure if it has been a long running convention that they must pay their guests in a timely manner.

US Guests who aren't worried about their rep will make a stink if they get stiffed. They might go the more subtle route letting their fans know. This is in hopes that their fans will pressure the convention to cough it up. The press might catch wind to stir it up.

Japanese guests tend to be a bit more quiet as culturally they don't want to draw attention to themselves. They will quietly pressure or post subtle hints but they won't outright call them out.

The main reason anime cons don't pay a vast majority of their guests up front is that the money they pull in before the convention begins is shifted around to pay for everything to hold the convention. Unless a convention is capped attendance, with it being sold out before the doors open, they won't know how much money they'll bring in. At the conclusion they are suppose to pay out what they owe.

Anime conventions, depending on the region, can have anywhere from 50% to 80% of their revenue hinge on walk ups. There is a common trend that the bigger a convention gets the more money that tends to come in from pre-registrations.

If you have a vendetta against AM then contact guests after their announced warning them that AM has a history of not paying their guests.

>>8427862
We're from Louisiana, the bar here is pretty difficult from what I've gathered.

>>8427867
From what I can tell, Masao is not "literally spending all day" here on cgl. And also, do you know how easy it is to keep a thread tab open while you're doing other work and then push the update button periodically?
You're scapegoating an derailing. He's doing research, and using avenues not necessarily available to the general public he is able to tell us what this research means. And if course he's not going to share all the "proof" and whatever on an image board.

>>8427840
John, you're actually making me crack up. Shake in your boots a little more. Oh, and try being a little less transparent.

>>8426532
>completed sexual harassment class

Are you being intentionally thick?

>>8427832
>the con will eventually die and fizzle out or be handed off to someone who can actually run a decent show

Okay I am just going to address this right now. I've seen a few people say "John needs to step down" or "John and his wife need to step down" wah wah wah.

Anime Matsuri is not run like most conventions where there is a board of people that make these decisions. John and Deneise are sole owner/operators because they are both President and Vice President.

There is NO WAY they will EVER step down. Ever. Or like they even could, as they are so wrapped up in this business.

Also I can't think of another con where the con owners put their face ALL OVER their convention, spend so much money openly when they are unemployed, and have a show called "The Trinity Leigh Show" that is an hour of the con owner jerking herself off on stage.

Matsuri is run poorly on its face. If go to it, you're giving Deneise and John money. Period. No money you give them is going to the con save to pay off bills. The rest of it goes straight into buying him and his family shit.

If you go to Matsuri still you're an idiot.

Leigh's have been removed as KAs

>>8427943
> The rest of it goes straight into buying him and his family shit.

oh and toward victoria secret for the weak willed women John likes to exert himself on

Kaname is a male?! He's paying for his own lunch then!

>>8427944
http://kawaiiambassadors.tumblr.com/tagged/ambassadors

>>8427873
Because if you are good at your job you don't have 8 hours at work to post on /cgl/ about dramu?

>>8427943
Ani-Leigh Matsuri.

>>8427951
Takes like 1-2 minutes to catch up after auto-update and 30 seconds to post.

>>8427949
This hasn't been updated, though. It still includes people who have stepped down and Ann is not included in this list. But thanks anyway, anon!

>>8427951
I catch up to all this drama while I'm eating breakfast and lunch at work. It's not exactly hard reading, especially if you skip the shitposters.

>>8427969
Indeed. Just lets admit we're all in our jobs, schools, universities, etc, reading this

>>8427943
>person you quoted
I realized that if they are spending money like this, they are not running a non-profit organization, which does require an elected board of directors.

They won't step down, but if they see it dying, they could abandon ship or sell the rights off to someone else who may be able to do something with it. It's more likely that they'd let it crash and burn and then start something else until that crashes and burns rinse and repeat.

I work with a con that is for profit, btw. And we actually pay our guests and pay staffers that devote a good deal of their time yearly to the convention. Not all for profit conventions operate like this hot mess. Most invest a good deal of the earnings into the next year(s) rather than operating on empty promises.

>>8426670
PZ is Planet Zero, the arcade he ran into the ground before he got involved with Lolita.

>>8426658
I keep bringing this up - thank you for being another person to notice this. I found it super fishy that they'd "lost the key" to where the AP merch was stored and couldn't get a locksmith to help for a whole weekend. He's got at least 4 brands worth of "missing" stock now.

>>8427867
Yeah. Like I have 3 monitors at work and I have to produce a high volume of assets (not disclosing what cuz fuck nosy people) and still manage to juggle that plus important emails, a few chat blips with friends too. I also do a bit of browsing on my phone too and still get my shit done EOD. John just sucks at doing actual work. lol

>>8428012
I'd love to see AM shut the fuck down dashcon-style in the middle of things and then the leighs scramble to raise a mysteriously large amount of funds.

>>8427951
Your logic is full of flaws. Doing a ton of work != good at your job. It just means you are ineffective and/or inefficient.

Try harder.

>>8428012
Wait. What.

I heard about the VM prizes not making it to the tea party. But nothing about the other 3 brands. Deets please.

>>8428035
Keep telling yourself that bro. I do great at my job just fine. Not everyone sucks like you at your job.

>>8428049
AP Stock for Saturday and Sunday was never recovered and never put into the booth at AM, so that's why the booth looked pitiful after Friday. I'm not sure if they just sent it all back to Japan with the designers of if the Leighs kept it, though. Sketchy...

>>8428049
Fashion show pieces went "missing" at each fashion show that was hosted. In addition to regular pieces.

>>8428035
Shouldn't you be working as well then by your argument. What are you doing on this "anonymous image board" then?

>>8428049
VM, AP, and Atelier Pierrot.

Can someone give a recap of all this shit to those of us who aren't neck deep in it? All I'm getting is this John guy apparently sexually harassed some Misako girl and had to resign something something no payment?

>>8428085
Sorry forgot the fourth one which is Baby.

>>8428090
Come on bro, it's all in the OP - just skim the links. Kids these days need everything spoonfed, I swear.

>>8428049
This logic doesn't work out. I have time because I am efficient in my job that allows me to be on this board, lol

>>8428091
This year or what?

>>8428090
John Leigh, Events Manager of Anime Matsuri and husband of Convention Chairman Deneice Leigh, sexually harassed a multitude of women, some of them vendors, in the community, including lying to a model for a photoshoot and telling her when she arrived that she was to perform oral sex on camera. Also:

1) Failed to pay staff of Import Reactor.
2) Got sued by Baker Nissan.
3) Failed to pay out prize moneyNUMEROUS times at Planet Zero.
4) Stole forfeited property after PZ closed and used it at Matsuri 2013.
5) Failed to pay Nightmare the first time around.
6) Did not pay fucking MIYAVI.
7) Ran out of money so he couldn't buy food or pay translators/handlers.
8) Tried to get Nina to leave behind all of her product for his own financial gain.
9) Is suspected of stealing incredible amounts of product from other vendors over the years.
10) Is suspected of pocketing all of the money for this "Japan Helper" initiative that was never set up with either the IRS or the Texas Secretary of State and nothing was heard about where the money ended up after the convention ended.
11) Failed to pay promised cosplay prize money that instead went to the above "charity".

>>8428103
Baby was not present this year because pieces went missing under his watch.

>been in remote village in Romania for a month
>no internet
>milking cows for grandma

I leave and what the fuck is happening? I haven't been kawaii in over 4 weeks. What happened?!?

>>8428138
Read the top post's stuff, most everything is there

>>8428138
Bless, anon, bless.
Get some tea and snacks and catch up on this shit.

>>8426612
This is actually going to happen. Can we bet real money somewhere on this?

>>8428138
You milked them cow tities good anon?

>>8428178
Yes, my cow milking skills are amazing. Honed at a young age.

>>8428070
It probably went "missing" so they could stock it in the store they are opening up in Houston next month.

>>8428106
ty u bb

>>8428095
I'm so happy you called me a kid. Maybe the stars can still shine bright for me.

>>8428189
Gud

>>8428085
I think you mean Atelier Boz? That's the brand that was at the German tea party whose stuff supposedly didn't get through customs in time. Wasn't Krad Lanrete's stock also "stuck in customs"?

>>8428198
w-what? I'm out of the loop, they're opening a store?

>>8428071
>a consistent pattern of stealing from brands (likely to resell the stolen goods in their own lolita "shop")
The Leights just keep getting worse and worse. What the fuck.

>>8428198
Yes, that's the point several people have made, thanks for playing along

>>8428218
The Atelier Pierrot stuff went missing when they were guests in 2010. So if I'm following all this, we've got a lot of brand merchandise missing or unaccounted for:

Atelier Pierrot missing pieces never returned after the fashion show - 2010
Baby missing pieces from either fashion show or booth- 2013
Angelic Pretty stock in locked storage and key goes missing - 2015
VM, Atelier Boz, Krad Lanrete stuff missing in customs from German party - 2015

(also having Lockshop make extra wigs and extensions that didn't get used - luckily those got intercepted by Lolita Collective instead)

Wasn't there another non-Lolita brand who had stuff that was supposed to be raffled that something happened to? Kokokim maybe?

>>8428218
No, Krad designer didn't get her passport renewed in time so didn't make it and didn't want to leave stock with the unknown. Good on her for dodging this mess.

Your 20 min online Pedaphile, Sexual Predator class does not full anyone. Only way to put a dog foaming at the mouth. is to put it down

"Theres alot that happen this year hell i was hired because i used to be a bouncer john never left the girls staging room didnt pay dj heavygrinder till 3 hours before she left on a plane burned volunteers on there tickets most of the volunteers were fierd on Sunday asked to leave and weren't credited for there tickets like promised"

I'm just going to leave this here guys.

RC:I was damn close to calling a riot, but they're sitting there screaming you guys should be considerate of his kids and leave the con alone but are quick to say they wont support AM. You not going will kill money for their "beloved kids" either way.

>>8428383

RC:U*

>>8428383
English?

>>8428394

RC:U wants you guys to leave them alone now because they have kids. Pretty much, now he's gone from JLA everything should be over with.

>>8428402
Who the fuck is RC:U

>>8428405

Rufflechat Uncensored

>>8428405
I think it's from rufflechat and "U" is a person? I could be wrong, but that's what I've been getting from it.

>>8428343
>VM, Atelier Boz, Krad Lanrete stuff missing in customs from German party - 2015

To be fair chances are high that those items are really stuck in customs. German customs are horrible, things get stuck and you need to go to your local custom department to get it. Also you need to have a letter from customs before being able to got there. As the german post is at labor strike meaning no letters getting deliviered it really possible they are stuck there and the letter never reached them.
Question is who the sender is because after 2 weeks the package is sent back.

>Wasn't there another non-Lolita brand who had stuff that was supposed to be raffled that something happened to? Kokokim maybe?

The Kokokim stuff was raffled at the german tea party on staurday.

>>8428412
>Rufflechat Uncensored
>Uncensored

>Stop saying stuff

>>8428402
How is everything over with if he still runs a con where he can prey upon and harass girls?

>>8428343
Let's not forget the mysterious circumstance of Castle Mirage hanging with the raffle stuff in Houston and worn by Deneice in Germany.

>>8428402
RC:U can go fuck themselves, this goes beyond the problems the lolita community has with him. Your petty drama and thinking that it all ends when he's not in a "leadership" position in JLA is fucking meaningless when Misako is still his puppet and he's still in charge of one of the largest cons in the country.

>>8428423
How can he prey upon and harass girls if he got a paper saying he passed a prevention class on it?
Checkmate, atheists.

>>8428402
With all the things that they've done, the parents already don't care for their kids. I hate when people who get kids and are terrible people use them for sympathy purposes cuz "have mercy! I got kids!" Ugh

>>8428425
Do tell, I was not aware of this.

>>8428430

From the German tea party thread
>>8416212

>>8428425
I wondered how she had this one, espacially in navy which was basically the most popular color by far.

>>8428428

>>8427856
Which "difficult" test are you talking about?
The LSAT? Because I know complete jackasses who took that and got a minimally acceptable score to get into a basic law school. I took the LSAT when I considered law school and I got a good score.
The state bar exams? Well if you've studied it's not excessively difficult either.
>mfw people thinking a JD is some unattainable thing
It just requires money and some patience for dealing with some red tape. It's not a big deal.

>>8428430
The dress was hanging with the other items to be raffled away but was not raffled. Though to be fair, there was terrible communication all around so it could have just been coincidence. There's no proof it was intended to be raffled, but the placement of it with the raffled items fooled quite a few people.
The dress is later seen being worn by Denice.

>>8428428
you are a fucking moron

>>8428453
>never went to law school
>never took a State Bar
>thinks they're easy

>>8428456
What's something like that worth? I don't into lolita.

>>8428402
This man should have thought about his kids and family before becoming a sexual predator/shady businessman.

Did he think about the family of the victims he harassed? Did he think about the kids of the people he conned out of money? NO.

Fuck RC:U or whomever they are.

>Guy does a bunch of shady stuff, some even with proof and shoves the blame on everyone else
>"but he has kids!!"

The fuck is that logic

Uhhh quick question, i heard that AM lies about their attentdence numbers, that every time a badge is scanned (and you have to have it scanned to go into the amusement hall/photoshoot area and venders) it counts as a new person. Anyone hear that?

>>8428520
I wouldn't be surprised, there were definitely not 24,000 people there this year.

>>8428463
jesus christ you are really dense

>>8428476
It's a fairly new release and was pretty hyped up, so a decent amount. Not sure what the current market value is; guessing in the ballpark of $500 seems right for a popular new release OP in most popular colorway?

>>8428520
I've heard this story before, yeah.

>>8428476
Maybe $400? Very recent popular AP print.

>>8428463
How could you not see that joke from a mile away?

>>8428456
I asked staff and they said no it's just Denise personal dress used as decor.

Mfw Deneice just wanted to show people she has rare dresses.

>>8428416
>VM, Atelier Boz, Krad Lanrete stuff missing in customs from German party - 2015

This is not the fucking problem of the attending lolitas. He planned the tea party so he should have got info about german custom processes and so on in advance. it's his mismanagement which led to this failure!

Is it true Masao tried to get yaya han deported with his super amazing lawyer powers? Holy shit why are you all so eager to blindly follow this dickbag and not the other? Fuck this shit is gold.

>>8428520
They do something that is referred to as turnstyle. They count every every day someone attends as 1 attendee, i.e. if I buy a 3 day badge I count as 3 people.

This tactic is incredibly common among Anime cons, it is not unique to AM and almost every con you attend inflates its numbers. If they coulted every time your badge was scanned the number would be ridiculous, like 100k.

>>8428579
So she's not a thief (in this instance), just a cunt.

>>8428343
He wanted to sell KOKOkim stuff at his shop.

>>8428621
KL didn't ship items for sale [because they sold out of everything or production problems?? Not entirely clear what they meant], but I let John know in advance. He should have updated. I also had a ton of outfits for the fashion show, but John didn't assign anyone to KL and I managed to get him to arrange 2 models last minute.

>>8428621
Didn't say anything about that. I just wanted to clarify that it is highly possible that the items are really stuck in customs and not never been sent.
That he is incredibly shitty at organizing things and the items being stuck causing a problem is a different story.

>>8428643
They do not use turnstyle. If they did then the over 10,000 pre-registrations and 3-day badges would make them a 30,000 con. They pad the numbers by lumping in the car show.

They refuse to announce the number of badges sold just for the car show which is why 24,000 is a dubious number. A-Kon was 27,000 which no one will deny if you attended it. AM was not 24,000. You can take one look at their raves or concert photos to show how much their shit smells on padded numbers.

>>8428702
Was at both, will confirm A-Kon definitely didn't pad their numbers. Matsuri surely did, the convention was pretty fucking dead all three days.

>>8428702
I doubt they have a 10k pre reg but OK.
Either way its still pretty obvious that if they counted every time a badge was scanned the number would exceed 24k by an insane amount. I'm not really sure what your point is? Your suggestion still doesn't back up the rumor as true, it actually helps prove its false.

You'd think the fancy RFID tags would be able to identify duplicate entries from the same person.

>>8428716
I was saying over 10,000 pre-reg AND 3-Day, not just pre-reg. It could be higher as I don't have privvy to that info. It is to show it is not possible for it to be turnstyle. The rate charged for a day badge was obscene forcing most to just buy a weekend badge. They did sell a separate pass for the car show but you could only buy it there.

>>8427024
Not gonna lie I wanted to make that for a while, but I didn't have the effort to actually make it until then. So I guess I did???

>>8428429
I know right? If anything I'm worried for his kids because the dysfunctional situation with John and Deneice will likely make his family fall apart at this rate, and that kind of stuff always hits kids hard when they're older

>>8428501
>>8428488
this

also just saying, but child neglect/negligence is a thing too

and they're certainly not thinking of their children's futures by pulling all of this shady shit

do they WANT to leave their kids with tons of debt and ruin their lives before they've even really begun? things like this will follow those poor kids everywhere.

>>8428635
>dumping false accusations without any credible proof
>doing the same thing you're accusing masao of doing
try harder
>tfw yaya han is shit anyway

>>8428708
>pretty fucking dead convention
>"24k attendees"
lol, I trust Masao on this one
>loads of tiny ass/dead conventions where I live
>the fucking difference between a dead convention and something huge like Otakon or AX is definitely hugely noticeable to a frequent con-goer

>>8428621
I think you misunderstood my point, which was exactly that his mismanagement has led to a _lot_ of stuff going missing. Whether it is missing because of his ineptitude or because he is hoarding it to sell in his store - either way is a bad sign.

>>8428824
Just taking the rave at Matsuri for example, it was completely fucking dead in comparison to A-Kon's filled-to-capacity event with a constant line that doubled that amount. Then again that might be because Matsuri's rave was total trash. The lights were on and it was in a much too-large space.

Then look at the cosplay show. Matsuri's cosplay show was nowhere near capacity and again the lights were fucking on. A-Kon's was in a much larger room and it was completely filled with many more people waiting outside, and that was even with CC broadcast of the show which very likely had an effect on attendance.

>>8428368
Is the thing about volunteers true? Sounds like bullshit because they didn't keep track of our hours. I only did half the amount they asked and they still paid me in full. Deneice's sister was giving them out in an office and was incredibly nice. They just assumed volunteers did their hours because I showed up, she looked for my name in the list, and paid me promptly. Her husband and cute daughter were with her too, there was nothing hostile about paying us.

new thread
>>8428887

>>8428840
My critique was not against your point(i truly support it), only against the point that the German customs are sooo bad and he is not THAT guilty of mismanagement, because of the strike and so on. Sorry for don't clarify this in my quote.
He was in Germany weeks before so he had time and people to get things straight to understand how German customs work, etc..

>>8428669
didn't know this. but wtf. he should have it announced via facebook. he can't claim that KL are attending if he knows that they are out of stock and will not send items... hopefully paypal will see it that way as a fraud. what a bitch.

>>8428891
hi Deneice
>somehow I doubt this account
>one account of someone being paid, multiple accounts of others not

>>8428936
>disagree with you
>must be Deneice
Holy shit dude I really was paid though??? Staff went around telling people to get their compensation on the office on the second floor. When I got up on the escalator I passed by another volunteer who just told me he got his cash and told me exactly where the office was. I went in there, got my money, and spent the cash in the dealer's room buying up posters to weeb up my room. I havent seen evidence of other volunteers not getting paid, sorry. I'm friends with 5 other volunteers and we all got paid.

Like shit man, I only worked 8 hours because I couldn't deal with the disorganized mess the con was and flaked, but still got my money back because they were so unorganized and didn't notice I skipped shifts in the first place lmao

>>8428891
I have NEVER heard of volunteers being paid cash. Usually, they are comped, not paid. Your account as a volunteer sounds mighty shady...

>>8428579
Yeah, I asked as well and was told it was just for display. I wasn't told it was specifically Deneice's though.

>>8428810
The kids will get saddled with a lot of things (having a set of parents with a whole set of issues, for one) but legally debt can't be passed on from parent to child, at least not in the US. There are collections agencies who will lie and try to convince grown-up kids to pay for their parents' debts in order to get their cash, whether their parents are dead or deadbeat. (If you're a grown-up kid in the US that situation, don't pay them a cent. Send a signed and mail-certified letter to the collections agency, asking for documentation that serve as proof that you owe the debt, and they should contact you by mail. They'll stop calling you, or otherwise risk facing the wrath of government consumer agencies.)

Debt can legally be passed to a spouse, though. Which makes Deniece quite pitiful. She'll be responsible for whatever debt John has if he doesn't pay it off, even if they separate or divorce.

>>8428106
>>8428106
>simulated oral sex

right? Lets get the deets straight. I dont think he was trying to produce pr0n outright

>>8429212
Everything seems to be in her name anyway, so she's already had the wool pulled over her eyes in that regard...

>>8429281

There's a video showing that they did do it but with another model instead, yea looked like simulated to me. Still a crazy thing to ask though

>>8429825
More suggested than simulated.
https://youtu.be/iVTyOwY8VOc

>>8429928

yea that was the word I was looking for, my bad

>>8428368
The volunteer situation was something completely different. They likely didn't get compensated for their badge because many people showed up, got their volunteer badge, then bailed on all of their scheduled shifts. We got fucked over and left understaffed because of all of the people that chose to do that.

>>8428891
I'm going to vouch for you anon, I got my compensation the same way. Deneice's sister was the one that brought me snacks when she found out my department hadn't eaten in 12 hours and we were all stuck at booths. Afterwards, we just showed up to the little office and got our cash handed back to us for badge compensation. I never actually interacted with John and Deneice the entire con, though.

>>8429928
is there an updated link to the video? This one is private.