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What John incident? What did I miss?

>>8419504
No.8418560

>>8419509
>>>8418560 (OP)

>>8419504
>>8418213

Misako is currently in transit. She has traveled from Europe to Houston yesterday. She is going from Houston to Chicago back to Tokyo today. Misako will probably address it when she gets back or not.

>>8419494
Someone just said that Arthael was appointed directly by Misako...how does that thing work in the first place ?

>>8419525
Getting appointed by Misako makes more sense than having someone like the Leighs "help choose."
I think it's great that the current ambassadors get to help select...well, when they ACTUALLY get to help select instead of being told who to choose.
Ann is great but if she isn't who they all wanted, that's not fair to the KAs. The JLA is a joke now, it seems. Another puppet show for D&J.

>>8419525
I say this every JLA thread, but the whole point of the ambassadors is to give Misako an excuse (and the ability) to visit other countries. Her ambassadors basically convince conventions to bring her over as a guest. This is a paid gig for her. It's a part of her job and her brand-building strategy. The organisation didn't have much credibility for me to begin with, and it really is just playing on the dreams of naive and idealistic girls who want a strong international community. The fact is, we can build that on our own, without her.

Misako also was KA through the Cool Japan initiative (which is what inspired her to do the JLA apparently), so she has gone abroad for other events under that as well. This is how she went to Australia a couple of years back, when the JLA was still building up steam.

To be perfectly frank, I would highly doubt that this incident will have much impact on the running of the JLA. Her connection to AM is too valuable financially to her organisation. I honestly doubt most of the already selected ambassadors will agree with Arthael's stance and step down.

>>8419547
Best summary of the JLA, anon. I think a lot of people (myself included) forget that it's all just a big marketing ploy to boost Japan's tourism and it's a business for Misako. Did I enjoy meeting her? Absolutely. But does she really care about uniting communities? We really don't know.

>>8419551
Pretty much it. If you've met her once, you really can see how much of it is facade.

I know Japan does "persona" fronts to protect their real life privacy and what not, but her answer for every question is the blandest, least offensive answer possible. The only time I've seen her show any sign of a real personality beyond was when she made those Manners videos and slipped up trying to read drink bottle labels. And maaaybe the trips to the gun range. Everything else is just flat.

>Where is your favourite place to travel outside of Japan?
>Mmmmmmn... [insert current city!] *bats lashes*

>What do you think is important for being a good lolita?
>Being cute and enjoying your friends!

And so on and so forth.

>>8419494
>See it next week in "/cgl/s Delicious Dramu"

>>8419547
Do people actually believe it was ever for anything other than boosting Japan tourism and keeping lolita fashion momentum going in an (increasingly) tiny Japanese market?

I have no beef with this, it makes sense. I also don't think Misako is making much money from it all other than it being a relatively fun and interesting job in the scheme of things. I don't think nursing in Japan pays very well either (even when compared to other relatively wealthy nations).

Having said all this though, improving cultural and country relations etc has often been a money game anyway - when is it ever not a money game(?).

>>8419558
She was actually REALLY warm when I spoke to her at the tea party in Houston (yes, I spent money on that because I didn't know better) and I was surprised but pleased. I had met her briefly backstage at AM but the language barrier made communication pretty much impossible and she seemed distant and distracted the whole time.
But, yeah, it's easy to become disenchanted when you remember that this is just her job and she probably doesn't care at all if communities are united or not. If she does, great. I hope she severs ties with AM. But I don't foresee that happening any time soon.

>>8419583
>this is just her job and she probably doesn't care at all if communities are united or not.

Isn't her day job a nurse? You don't do what she's doing unless you love it

>>8419589
She can have two jobs. She was appointed by the Japanese government to be a Kawaii Ambassador, wasn't she? I don't doubt that she loves the fashion. She's a model and she's always shopping. But this is still a business, in a way. It's to boost tourism in Japan and Lolita fashion sales.

>>8419582
Nursing does not pay well, no. And I don't blame her for choosing to travel and be cute over working in geriatric nursing.

But a lot of people in past threads have gotten really pissed off at people pointing out that she isn't doing this out of the goodness of her own heart. People think she's some kind of lolita saint, and it's really kind of creepy.

>>8419583
I've met her at two separate events now. I've also met a few other guests at events. Out of those (Reika, Midori, Maki, Asuka, and one of the managers of Atelier Pierrot in Osaka), she was the most distant and vanilla. The others spoke about personal hobbies and interests, but Misako stayed on script even when people tried to deviate from the normal questions. Maybe she's changed it up, though. The last event I saw her at was like two years ago.

>>8419591
Yeah, I agree. Her personality doesn't really show at all.

I'm not begrudging her for making a hobby into a business and I don't really care that she's milking her position for travel. I honestly don't. But yeah, I think it's creepy that people assume she's a pure hearted woman who just wants to spread kawaii love throughout the world. Just like John and Deneice just REALLY wanna bring Jfash to the U.S. as a favor to the community. /sarcasm

>>8419591
>People think she's some kind of lolita saint

if this is genuinely a common belief then people need to wake the hell up to the world in general. This is nothing to do with having an issue with Misako.

>>8419599
>people need to wake the hell up to the world in general
Whiiiiich is kind of the point of all this, yes.

I don't think Misako is an evil-money-sucking person. She might be wearing a facade/mask because she is a public figure and Japanese so she tries to do everything right (Japanese and shame don't go well), but I don't think she did it all for the money, however that she actually let all the bad things happen to her is another thing. Does she have a manager? She should be honest with that and all. I think something international will stay, I just think the ill-mannered and sick people need to go, they are really bad.

Also more lolitas should grow a backbone, I can't believe those people hung out with that John figure, if he made jokes like that to me or on the online comm he would've been banned way earlier. I really can't believe either that there are girls who are silent about it because they get butthurt and cant model anymore, nasty egos.

>>8419525
I never knew Arthael was one of the kawaii ambassadors. Is this new? She wasn't at Anime Matsuri either.

>>8419605
Except that the reason they didn't speak up wasn't because they didn't want to jeopardise their chances of being a model, it was because the mods are in John's control. The fact that they work for AM is one of the things that a lot of people keep bringing up even now.

They deleted the initial posts about the incidents, and are still joking/posting comments kissing up to him in public.

How can you report someone to a moderator when you know that moderator will side with them automatically? It goes far deeper than just people being worried they'll lose the brands. Imagine being kicked out of your own community because you stood up to someone who was doing something wrong.

>>8419606
She was one of the first appointed

>>8419547
Arthael stepped down from being an ambassador?

>>8419918
If people would keep this discussion to one thread instead of everyone making their own, this would be a lot easier. >>8419337

Considering Misako seemed to have bad experiences at AM, and given the show of support for renouncing John, I don't think it's completely unlikely that she will listen to the community.

>>8419558
Eh, not really. She usually tells people to back off when she hears someone's being mean. (My best friend is asian and went to one of the Japanese tea parties, she knows Japanese so she blended in pretty well)

But maybe it's because they became actual friends. Like they chat on their phones and stuff.
In real life she apparently curses a lot.

>>8420053
Even at Japanese tea parties you don't really get to interact so your friend is pretty full of it sorry

What's the beef about Denise and Lolita? I only follow her on instagram so I don't know the details.

>>8419605
>I don't think Misako is an evil-money-sucking person

are some people suggesting that? That doesn’t seem to be the /cgl/ consensus at least, and we're known for being bitchy and petty as fuck

>>8419583
A bit offtopic, butI haven't met lots of japanese people, but I have this experience with former Paris' BTSSB shop assistant. She seemed all nice and gentle the few times I visited the place whilst she was working there, but then my friends saw her working backstage at a con and she was shouting to everyone and being really mean, so I've always thought it must be the same with Misako.

I've said this in other topic and I'll say it here now.

> Misako is friends with brazilian KA, this goes back to before KAs were a thing
> brazilian KA is one of the few lolitas fluent in japanese
> no one but her know about KAs being chosen
> Misako tells her to keep quiet about this
> she was the only brazilian girl to apply
> KA is elected and brazilian comm rages in hu3
> now comm is split and everything sucks
>thanksmisako.wav

I think JLA should be better. If it is meant to be a worldwide thing... Why u no have your site in english, at least?
The language shouldn't be a barrier. They chose it to be.

>>8419547

Her Ambassador's are to promote brand and lolita fashion. Not that I mind. Are some people really unaware of this? She was literally promoted by Japan's government even.

I do hope they listen to this particular drama, though. Houston basically got shattered over it.

>>8424986
Cons can be high-stress work. If you're at a badly-run con, sometimes people don't know what they're doing, you don't get the assistance or tools you need, and it can be very frustrating. Even if it's a good con, sometimes things can just go wrong, but you still have to make sure everything runs smoothly and according to schedule. I can understand how a normally mellow person can turn into a raging bitch in that situation.

>>8419606
Arthael was invited to AM but chose not to go. I think she was one of a very few KA not kissing up to John. Smart girl.

>>8424986
That's pretty normal.

So far Daniela hasn't spoken out at all. We all know she's secretly sucking john's dick for gifts. Time to step down as a KA girl

>>8425022
I've always wondered why we had such a """mature""" KA instead of a local (popular or influent?) community lolita.

off-topic but anyone here went to the Mimiparty that she organized?

>>tfw lone lolita

>>8425299
Although I do think it's not ideal for her to be silent, you don't have to throw around statements like that.
There are better ways to insult someone

>>8425323
You're right I am sorry. She is just really dissapointing Mexico community.

>>8425299
I really don't think it's a good idea to be assuming things, or defame someone because she hasn't made any official statement, she was recently in Germany without or little internet access, the way I see it, is that she's probably catching up with all the drama and working on a statement, either being on Johns side or against him, we'll have to wait.

>>8425385
She had good enough internet access to be whiteknighting John on the German tea party event page and to like his bullshit apology on facebook.

>>8425336
I really don't see how can she be disappointing Mexico community, I mean if she's really that disappointing why keep supporting her? the only other girl that I know form Mexico is Briz and with all the Meta rigged contest ... makes you think.

>>8419582

>keeping Lolita fashion momentum going in an (increasingly) tiny Japanese market?

You can say that again, I visited Japan in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Last year the number of Lolitae had dropped off dramatically (and were primarily only seen in Shinjuku and Shibuya, In 2012 I spotted some in Kyoto, too), and this year, I saw fuck all.
I did notice a LOT of young women in 1940's-style clothes (not the hairstyles, though). The slightly billowy knee-length skirts vaguely resemble the Lolita silhouette, so maybe the style had an influence. But Lolita itself appears to be kill.

>>8425404
Facepalm

>>8425391
Yeah... I saw that
But let's hope she's typing up a response

>>8425391
>>8425385
>>8425323

She is one who give him idea.

>>8426239
Shit... That's so fucked up. So she's in league with him all along?

>>8427646
Yes. Now that John's resigned I assume they'll all shut up and sweep it all under the rug.

The Leighs have been removed from the Tumblr page
http://kawaiiambassadors.tumblr.com/tagged/ambassadors

>>8427737
they still have Arthael, who i thought stepped down, and where is Ann? was she removed also?

>>8426239
So, we have to thank Daniela for all this shitstorm, then?

>>8426239
Son of a... And here I thought Daniela was pretty cool. Now I've lost a lost of respect for her, damn.

>>8427968
She did seem pretty cool with all those events and going everywhere and with My Lolita Style fanpage. Guess she wanted even more.

>>8426239
whoa

But frankly I'm disappointed in all of them. They make themselves look like they don't have brains and won't speak up for themselves about this. Choose your ally wisely, man.

>>8427989
I'm so dissapointed in her, it seems she only wanted more power. That explains so many things. She always promotes more herself than her community.

Can someone TL;DR this shit?
All I've managed to gather is
>John dude is a 40 something yr old man who runs a convention
>says inappropriate sexual comments and "jokes" to Choke, some other girls, and Misako(?)
>John and wife back peddle
>Now something about Choke grabbing $10k from this chump who wanted to fuck her and just laughs to the bank?

>>8425412
Doesnt matter if the japanese are no longer interested. The chinese are and they have the printed bucks

>>8428773
go to the Anime Matsuri thread, there is a summary.

>>8419595
I don't really blame her for not letting her personality show. She must get some really creepy stalker behavior directed at her, so it's probably healthy to keep your personal self and your 'stage' self separate.

>>8425022
>she was the only one who knew about this
>once upon a time...

>>8425412
Really? I saw quite a few walking around Shinjuku and Harajuku just a couple months ago

>>8425412
>>8429195
Same. Was there in early May. I saw heaps on the weekends. Fewer during the week, but I thought that was the norm?

>>8429195
I've seen huge fluffy crowds in the AP release date pictures, but the few times I was in harajuku, most of the lolitas I saw were like 14 year old british girls and their mums. The one japanese girl I saw last year in Shinjuku was in all pink and red AP sweet hah take that grandmas.
From what I've seen online and in street snaps, I feel like OTT sweet is still a thing, but girls only dig it out for specific occasions.

>8429163
Elaborate.

>>8425022
Boo-hoo. Move the fuck on.

>>8432690
Oh, gosh! Thanks, anon-sama! I did not know I could go on without a comm! Wow, you changed my life!

>>8432703
I mean this Akemi thing, moron.
It happened ages ago and you fags keep bringing it up.

>>8432721
Aren't we fucking talking about how little Misako cares? I thought it was a pertinent thing to bring up. But fuck me, right?

>>8432721
Whatever. Keep your little butthurt if you cherish it so bad.