/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Has anyone more deets/pictures for this?

>>8403904
Cute
I wouldn't wear it but it looks like it will be popular. I do like the nun collar and lace. I just don't like how their name is plastered on awkwardly.

>>8403904
I'm not feeling the crosses on this, they feel shoehorned in and it feels like a subtle clusterfuck.

heres the AP pics from the last thread

>>8403925
>dopey face on her
I quite like the print though, it's not too busy in terms of colour, which is nice.

>>8403926

I just found this on Wunderwelt and there's definitely something off about the print. It looks washed out and too yellow/green. It's hardly just my monitor, is it? Or was this some sort of special release?

>>8403955
Wonderwelt's pictures suck, but it does look really faded. Is it supposed to be pink or lavender?

>>8403904
All these crosses on new releases lately have been saving my wallet at least

http://www.lacemarket.us/rare-baby-the-stars-shine-bright-meteor-a-la-mode-set/
kek

>>8403966
I think it's supposed to be pink. They haven't listed any damage like fading or whatever, I'm going to find that stock picture of the print and have a closer look.

>>8403955
Closer photo and link for those interested in checking this out http://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/detail107.html

Brands are really giving it to old print scalpers lately, I love it. All we need now is a Misty Sky MTO. It's been a fine year.

Seagulls I need your help! I've been searching for one picture where a girl wears pink, heavily Barbie inspired biker coord. Does anybody have this picture in their files?

Question to all lolitas,

How did YOU start building your wardrobe? What were your first pieces? Did you start with basics or did you go ahead and just buy a dream dress right away?

Also, who are your favorite brands for solid pieces? Brand and indie.

>>8404020
Is that... Is that a Twinkle Journey re-release? Have my prayers to Mana-sama been heard at last?

>I don't even have a reaction image that can express my emotions

>>8404133
Yes anon! Rejoice!

>>8403904
I love crosses, galaxy prints, and pegasus stuff, but this is just awful

>>8404131
I had loved it since I was 12 in a weeby sort of ita way. My first piece was a replica of an AP dress, and I never really coorded it (except in an ita with-vaguely-matching-cosplay-items sorta way).

My first real dress was a dream dress, one of the sweet explosions from AP that was quite popular, this was in the midst of the OTT sweet heyday, and creepy cute was all the rage. I'd been on cgl and had been developing my coord skills. Only coorded it properly 6 months after I first got it. Never posted any pictures online. Grew out of OTT sweet and recently sold it.

Goodbye my pretty.

Solid pieces aren't really my thing. I have some from AP and some from taobao. I've fallen into various motifs (nun, sailor, nurse etc.) that were sorta solid. They were all phases though. I had like 5 sailor and 5 nun dresses at my best. Decided the aesthetic wasn't for me and sold them all.

>>8403955
It looks off to me too. It looks like someone hung it up 'for display' and the sun bleached it over time.

>>8404131
Before I ever thought of buying anything, I did do a lot of research on what I needed, what style I liked the most, where and how to buy, etc...

I can't even remember when or why I started liking lolita; but I do remember that I started with two BL JSKs: I got Squirrel Party and Soft Cream along with a blouse, bolero, some UTKs and a pair of RHS.
So, I pretty much started with Bodyline and a CP petticoat.
The first dream dress I got and my first brand dress as well was Day Dream Carnival.

The first non-BL dress I got I ordered along with the petticoat was Infanta's Dolly House JSK. So, I started with BL, then TaoBao Indie and then Japanese brand.

Today, I still have those JSKs, I really do like them. I hate the BL blouse but I don't think I could sell it because I doubt anyone wants it--I should try, though--and I learned that I actually hate UTKs.

>>8404020
>Brands are really giving it to old print scalpers lately
>using a rerelease of a print that mostly goes retail and under as an example
>implying the brands even give a shit about scalpers and aren't just cashing in on the prints that have made them lots of money in the past
>implying that the high resale value of popular pieces isn't extremely good for the brands
Gave me a good kek. Thank you for that.

Also, this shouldn't have to be said on /cgl/ of all places, but; reselling a print for what it goes for due to what auction prices determined=/=scalping. Scalping is when you purposely buy a print you think will be popular for the sake of relisting it for much higher. Anyone who demonizes the girls who sell a dress for whatever it typically goes for secondhand is an entitled moron.

>>8404175
>goes for retail or under
For the ugly cuts, scalperchan. People pay top dollar for the partial and fully shirred black and navy jsks. Stay mad.

>>8404131
I started in 2012. My first pieces were bodyline and replicas. I went for prints and colors I really liked. I moved on to brand after about 4 months or so. I built my wardrobe up around sweet colors and themes and then added more and expanded into more mature color palettes and themes making sure items I had worked between both styles for the most part. Dream dresses didn't start getting obtained until probably 2013 although I had some wishlist items before then.

For solid pieces, I think my favorites are usually by Baby and Meta though there's a number of AP pieces I really like that are solids. I only own a few solid items and they are from Baby. I tend to use solid colors or solids with trim for more casual outings which I don't do as much anymore. I still own predominantly prints.

>>8403925
>>8403926
I wonder how popular this print will be, by first impression is nice but not must want material; although, knowing myself once it's released I will regret not getting it
>>8403929
This looks so flat did they forget to put a friggin peticoat or is it supposed to look that bad?

>>8404180
I paid top dollar for the black full shirred jsk only because it went up when I had the money for it. I would've rather preferred one of the other cuts but when you really want a particular print you will take what you can get. I may try to hop on this re-release and try to get a different cut or at least a headbow.

>>8404180
Agreed. I've seen the nicer cuts go for more than retail.

Wish the new release had better colors though. I prefer the original.

>>8404175
>criticizes secondhand prices
>entitled
Or maybe some people just aren't retards who would pay above retail for dresses that have been worn over ten times and have damages.
Fortunately, the non-retarded now have a chance to buy their prints for fair prices that reflect the dress's actual quality and not someone else's greed. I wish those people luck.

My condolences to you anon, from the sounds of it looks like old TJ is gonna nosedive.

>>8404131
I'm just starting in on buying, I've been a lurker here and a enthusiast from afar for a while. It was when I started giving decent advice on stuff and had a budget for it that I looked at the sales more closely.
Still learning and getting better, but my first piece was an innocent world high waist skirt (camille) that I'd probably be ok with dying in. All of the items I want to get have been carefully planned, I have ideas for all of them and most of the main pieces work out to needing the same blouses and color palettes. There's not a single dress that I haven't brooded over and realky fallen in love with.
My advice were I to give it, is to get familiar with the second hand sites, build your wishlist and your personal style, get a plan on how you'll pay for it all and get familiar with taobao for the indie brands there. Being afraid to spend money = missing out when you have very little time to decide.

>>8404131
I started out with bodyline while i was unemployed and as soon as I got a job I started buying secondhand brand.
Now I've been saving up for new releases. I managed to get a jsk from the Shadow Dream carnival release the other day. I either taobao or buy my accessories second hand.

>>8404131
My first piece was a random offbrand OP bought when I was 11/12 in 2006. Recently wore it again for ILD because nostalgia. For years I cobbled together gothic/punk outfits with offbrand loliables until stumbling upon Milanoo (I know) and Bodyline three years ago. I had absolutely no knowledge of the online lolita community or sales because I was banned from the internet until I turned 18-19, and all I had for reference was a copy of the first GLB. Now I'm playing catchup to noobs with 10x the wardrobe I have.

On another note, how is the Dark Night Guardian 'miniskirt' 64.7cm long? That's like tea length

Also, has anyone taken in the waist of the Delft Lotta miniskirt to make it sit more at the natural waist like a regular skirt?

>>8404199
Different anon, but I don't think TJ is going to take that big of a nosedive. The original release has way nicer colors/cuts.

Yeah it may go down in price a bit, but it won't become super cheap.

>>8404131
I just bought my first ever dress and it's AP brand, I'm very happy about this.

>>8404131
I'm so old "dream dresses" were not a thing when I got into lolita. My first non-handmade piece was a solid black Baby JSK, followed by two Baby blouses, then a floral print OP.

>>8404230
I think the new jsk is a nicer design than the old one. So far all we've seen is a grainy, unsaturated scan of the fully shirred OP and jsk.

>>8404199
Different anon, but I'd say the retarded people are the ones who can't grasp the simple concept of supply and demand, and refuse to accept that brand lolita dresses are collectible items. I totally get bitching if people are immediately selling a piece for way over retail either starting bid or BIN when there's no past sales to suggest it's a fair price, but most of the time I see people complaining about "scalping" that's not the case. It's usually when people are selling shit for what the market has already established it goes for. It's absolutely ridiculous to fault people for selling or buying dresses for what auction after auction and other successful sales have sold it for. Like, if you buy a dress for $300 and a couple years later, the cheapest people can find that exact piece is $500, why the fuck would you sell it for what you paid or less? To say people should intentionally get far less than they can, just so you don't have to pay more than you'd like, can be described as nothing but entitled.
>>8404180
What exactly do you consider "top dollar" because I haven't seen that print surpass $400 since the first year it came out? Still more than retail, but definitely not by enough to bitch about. Also, one doesn't have to be a scalper to acknowledge that there's a massive difference between scalping and selling a dress for what the second-hand market has determined. That's just common sense and to say otherwise is straight up denying fact.

>>8404234
... what year did you get into it? That term has existed since no later than 2004.

>>8404131
My first piece was that beige floral dress from body line that they no longer sell. I then got a few infanta dresses and than IWs Ophelia JSK in black. I do not have a single on of those pieces anymore. My boyfriend at the time could only tolerate classic so that's what I got. After that was over, I sold/gave away everything and bought the pieces I actually wanted which lean more in the direction of sweet. My favorite brand currently is Meta and sweeter IW pieces.

>>8404148
What is the appeal of wearing crosses? Are you religious, or is it just aesthetic appeal? I'm genuinely just curious because they seem to be trendy but I personally feel weird wearing any sort of religious imagery.

>>8404251
>collectible items
Have you ever collected? Non-mint condition items almost always sell for below retail. Especially if they show signs of wear, and are out of packaging or boxes.

>>8404267
Not that anon, but I'm not the least bit religious, pretty sure that all there is to life is what you've got right here and now.
That being said, I like religious themed dresses, crosses and such.
Asthetically, I like the look of crosses, and some of the best works of art were commissioned by the church, fantastic gothic architecture, it makes me deliriously happy.
If I could, I'd love to have a life size print of the painting behind the Popes seat, Michaelangelo depicted the gates of Hell with devils and demons and dicks, simply because he hated the pope at the time.
Religion itself isn't the draw, it's the stories surrounding it that I like, the drama, the politics, the fact that humans can construct a God and manufacture morals in a really dark time of human history.
That's enough being off topic, dey is purty, that is all.

>>8404131
I found lolita in 2007 and my first dress was Meta's Vintage Cherry jsk. I bought slowly just Meta and a couple indie brands, In the Starlight and another one I can't remember the name. I didn't really get into the communities for a long time so I just bought from where I knew. After a break for a couple years to plan a wedding, get married, have a kid, I picked out back up in 2012 and have been expanding my wardrobe ever since.

>>8404131
My first piece was from Bodyline. It was a floral skirt with pin tucks and it was lovely. I don't have it anymore, but I have fond memories of it. My wardrobe is actually more solid pieces than prints and I've been buying them since I started. Also, I think there was a seagull who once said that her aesthetic is "cheap key" and that's exactly what mine is too. I wait until IW releases their lucky packs and buy the shit nobody wants. Which is actually good shit most of the time.

>>8404020
AP's thinking about making an MTO! Now's the time to spam them nonstop
http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/misty_sky/index.htm

>>8404199
>>8404180
I don't even own Twinkle Journey and I have never scalped anything before. I can't believe I really have to break this down. Then again, it is Summer.

Scalping= buying something for the sole purpose of selling it for much more later because you predict it will be popular enough to do so and get away with. Example: brand comes out with a new piece and someone buys it for retail then sells it for double when everyone else is selling it for way less.

Selling something for higher than retail because that's what it typically goes for= not scalping (which is the reason for most secondhand price mark-ups in lolita, despite what the anti-scalper brigade likes to think) Example: someone selling Puppet Circus for a grand isn't scalping because it was the demand and auctions that set the price, not the sole individual deciding they wanted to price it way higher than it's ever gone for.

Paying what a dress consistently goes for second-hand is not retarded. What's retarded is thinking that people are under some kind of obligation to sell their shit for less than what the market has already proven they can for it. The part that gets me about the people who disapprove of people charging more than retail in these situations is that without realizing it, they're essentially implying they would sell a rare dress for far less than what it went it for. You can bitch about how anyone charging of retail is a scalper all you want, but I highly doubt any of you would be willing to part with a rare dress for hundreds less than it typically goes for.
>>8404251
You said it much better than me. Honestly, I will never understand how people don't get supply/demand, especially in reference to lolita. It's like, as you said, this is a highly collectible fashion. The more popular a dress, the more competition, hence the more it's gonna go for. How the fuck are people too stupid to get this? This is like the kind of junior economics they teach you in middle school.

>>8404278
Not that anon but I collect video games and this is untrue in certain markets. Desirable games will sell for above-retail prices despite missing the original case and booklet.

Supply and demand make the market. If there are a lot of people who want something, and not enough of the thing to satisfy all the people, demand is greater than supply and the market booms. It sucks not being able to afford your dream dress but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

IMO the only part that I find shady is the people who buy with the explicit intention to scalp, aka turn around and sell it for double retail the day after a release. These bitches can go choke on a waist tie. The girls who are selling off their desireable dresses at a market-set price? That's fine.

>>8404320
>someone doesn't agree with you
>weh summerfagz
lol fuck off then. Someone doesn't like secondhand prices for a print, they're happy that the brand is rereleasing, and here you are whiteknighting for no reason at all. If you have no stake in this then you're arguing just for the sake of being contrarian.

>>8404131
About 4 years back I got a surface spell OP and a petti, intended to buy more lolita but I moved to a house with a few shady people in it (cops came around, door was never locked, house was always a mess), so I was reluctant and eventually gave up on the idea. Wore the OP a few times but I wouldn't be able to zip it up anymore as my waist is no longer 59cm. Still lurked loli threads on /cgl/ and loved the fashion from an outsider point of view. About a year ago I decided to get properly into it but only just took the plunge on ordering stuff. I have an order from taobao with a few blouses, a skit, a petti and a JSK going, have ordered the IW lucky pack and a skirt from AatP. I don't have a dream dress despite feeling like maybe I should with how long I've been observing the fashion.

>>8404303
That's a really interesting answer, thanks.

>>8404267
not that anon, but crosses are a big part of Western heritage. not all Japanese believe in youkai, but there are still popular items and characters in that theme.

crosses have a lot of cultural significance beyond their religious association, and even have meaning in other religions or traditions. it also has some meaning for me as a personal totem.

i would not wear a crucifix (cross with crucified deity) because Jesus Christ on the cross makes it too religious for me, but i can see how others who are not Christian would find the art history and symbolism of a crucifix appealing.

to some people, crosses are religious; to some, poofy skirts are for little girls. there are so many layers of meaning to what i feel are neutral objects and i cannot really care too much about what other people associate my fashion choices with.

>pic related, a type of cross with Christian religious connotation

>>8404278
I collect many things. What you're saying depends on the hobby, item in question, and level of damage. For most of the stuff I collect, that's only the case with items that are easy to find, aren't sought after, or have enough damage to make the item undesirable. The same mostly applies for lolita. Dresses like Puppet Circus or Iron Gate wouldn't sell for retail unless the damage rendered them unwearable.

I wasn't really talking about damaged stuff in my post, though, just the idea that people are "scalpers" for selling things for what the market has already established they go for. Obviously damaged things should go for less than they would mint, but just like with any piece in lolita, their resale value depends on what people are willing to spend on them. If that price happens to be above retail, you can't really fault the seller.

>>8404267
I'm not religious or drawn to the religious implications of crosses but I simply find them an incredibly appealing shape for jewelry. Design wise there's more to them than being Christian or not. I haven't really thought much about it but it maybe it has to do with the way they mirror the human body, makes them ideal for laying on your breast. I guess I'm just really fond of minimalism in general. On a print they are just so attention grabbing without being overly detailed. I can't imagine many other shapes you could put in place of them and keep the design so clean.

>>8404339
Not sure how calling Summerfag because you don't get how supply/demand works is anymore "fuck off" worthy than your assumptions that I'm a scalper or just pissed about Twinkle Journey's resale value tanking, because I'm pointing out the undeniable fact that scalper=/=someone selling something for what the market has established as its value, but lol okay then.

I don't give a shit if people don't like a print's resale value and are happy they can get it for cheaper with a rerelease. Obviously, that's something to be happy about. I own seven rereleases, that's not the issue here. The problem I have is the absolutely asinine idea that there's something wrong with selling/buying pieces for what auctions and past sales history have determined, especially with a collectible luxury fashion known for being extremely expensive.

Like, I rarely am all "I'm right, you're wrong" on the internet, but to call selling something for what it consistently goes for scalping is just factually incorrect. If you truly think otherwise, look up the definition.

Also
>here you are whiteknighting for no reason at all
>whiteknighting
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>8404320
>Selling something for higher than retail because that's what it typically goes for
This doesn't make sense. How does something magically achieve "typically going for above retail" without someone manipulating the secondhand market price to begin with? People aren't paying for the quality or supply when they buy above retail secondhand, they're strictly paying for the demand which is priced on whim by the seller. I know some sellers hate it, but people are allowed to not like the price they're selling something at and it doesn't make them entitled for having their opinion. However, I've noticed that as of late TJ hasn't sold very well above retail used like even 6 months ago. Eventually people will not buy over retail value because they see that the quality of the item does not match the equivalency of the price that the seller is asking. The reason why I've seen prints like Puppet Circus go for a high amount the last time it was in the western market IIRC is because it was a set and was in good condition. Most TJ's I've seen go for retail or under have been the unpopular cuts, incomplete sets, or were damaged. The only time I've seen TJ go for retail or above is for the shirred navy or black jsks as someone else mentioned. But even then, now that Meta has decided to rerelease TJ I doubt people will pay over retail for the old jsks unless they really desire the old designs.

I know I shelled out recently for an AP print that was scalped, but I knew that the dress was like new and I was buying the whole set. I wouldn't pay what I paid for an old print like TJ, and only for the dress.

To each their own. It's not my money, just my observations.

>>8404303
Oh man, you sound like you live in Portland.

>>8404385
The internet definition would agree with the other anon about scalping. It's weird that you agree someone is scalping if they turn around and sell a new release right away, but for some reason people who are doing the same with older prints aren't strictly because of how long they waited? What if the past auctions and sales posts were scalped since the beginning? Your logic is flawed.

>>8404380
>>8404352
To be fair the cross (specifically the lowercase t) isn't strictly Christian.
Fun fact: people were actually crucified on T shapes.

>>8403904
How long do people think this will take to come out??

>>8404320
>>8404251
>>8404385
Not to mention, the types that blindly call scalper at anything over retail never even consider "oh hey, maybe they didn't buy this when it was first released and they're pricing this for what they paid for it". I've had a few girls bitch about my prices being over retail when they were either what I paid or less. They were also less than what most people were charging.

There was one gem where I was charging less than retail for a rare IW print I wore twice, in flawless condition, and a girl offered me $100 less, requesting I include shipping, and said right off the bat in the first message "you wore this and it's secondhand, you shouldn't be charging retail". I was essentially like "lolnope", explaining her in barely-trying-to-be-polite wording why it was priced that way and how no one has ever sold the piece in question for as low as I already was. Someone else bought it for my asking price less than a day later.

The bottom line is that the reason the dresses sell for so much is because that's what enough people are willing to pay. As much as these types will bitch and moan, it doesn't change that.

>>8404420
>"oh hey, maybe they didn't buy this when it was first released and they're pricing this for what they paid for it"
...how entitled do you have to be to not consider that maybe your dress, after you've worn it or possibly damaged it, shouldn't be priced at what you paid for it secondhand anymore because it's simply not worth it? But hey, you sound like the type who whines when nobody wants to buy your dresses and you spend months re-listing with zero bites.

Anyway, keep being upset because someone's happy that they get a shot at their dream dress and they don't have to pay over retail prices for secondhand.

>>8404388
>This doesn't make sense. How does something magically achieve "typically going for above retail" without someone manipulating the secondhand market price to begin with?

As myself and that other anon have already said; most prices are determined by auctions, which are determined by the bidders. In some instances, yes, it's the sellers choosing prices, but in most it's the auctions. As for the rest of your post, I highly doubt there will be a point in time in lolita where people aren't paying over retail for some dresses. If shit's rare and there's a lot of competition for it, it's always going to sell for more.

>>8404396
I just Googled it, and every site I looked at defines scalping as buying something for the purpose of selling it for a profit afterward.

>It's weird that you agree someone is scalping if they turn around and sell a new release right away, but for some reason people who are doing the same with older prints aren't strictly because of how long they waited?
The first example is scalping because the person bought it with the purpose of selling it for more. The second could be, but most of the time when people keep dresses that long, their intention isn't to sell them for profit. To be completely honest, I don't really care that much if people scalp shit past mild disapproval, I'm just saying there's a lot of difference between someone intentionally buying something for the purpose of selling it for more versus someone who bought it because they like it, then sell it later one for what it typically goes for. How anyone could not see the difference is beyond me.

>What if the past auctions and sales posts were scalped since the beginning? Your logic is flawed.
Honey, the one with the flawed logic here is you. Explain to me how auctions can be scalped if their starting price is several hundred below the ending one? Theoretically, the seller could create a new account for the purpose of a fake bid war, but that almost never happens in lolita.

>>8404388
Because there's market price is effected by community demand, not individual willingness to pay. In the very simplest terms, if I have one thing and five people want it, if one of them is willing to pay $300 that's what I'll sell it for, even if two of them aren't willing to pay over $200. If I have five things, I will sell them at $200. If I have six things, I will lower the price to get another person interested.

>>8404456
>which are determined by the bidders
Not necessarily.
This argument would only work if the auction always started at retail and bidders carried the price upwards.
Most auctions I've seen in secondhand western markets start above retail already, and their BINs are usually above it too. A seller wouldn't want to risk potentially letting a dress go for retail if their goal is above retail. Starting the bid at above retail is a good safeguard and is what I've seen. You can contest this, but I think others can account for seeing this behavior as well.

>>8404451
Wow, not sure why my post warranted so much butthurt and projection, but I'll bite.
>...how entitled do you have to be to not consider that maybe your dress, after you've worn it or possibly damaged it, shouldn't be priced at what you paid for it secondhand anymore because it's simply not worth it?
I price check everything before I sell it and I usually go about $50 below what I could get. It's pretty cute how you types just love to assume anything secondhand MUST be damaged or in too poor condition to justify selling for what you paid for it, without even knowing what the piece is, its exact condition, or what it goes for. Yet I'm somehow the entitled one.

>But hey, you sound like the type who whines when nobody wants to buy your dresses and you spend months re-listing with zero bites.
Actually, the most I've ever had to lower a price on a dress by was $20.

>Anyway, keep being upset because someone's happy that they get a shot at their dream dress and they don't have to pay over retail prices for secondhand.
>this level of projection
Girl, I literally shouted in glee when I saw they were rereleasing Twinkle Journey. Why do you guys think those of us who think it's totally fine to price dresses for what they go for are all a bunch of angry scalpers bottomed that people are happy over their rerelease? Whatever, have fun bitching about scalpers every time you fall in love with a dress with a higher second hand going rate than what you want to pay like a bitter poorfag.

>>8404478
Different anon, but regardless of who is responsible for the prices, at the end of the day, if that's what a dress goes for, it's what a dress goes for. Even if the prices were initially due to scalpers, you still can't complain about the people selling it for the going rate without being a whiny little bitch. The people who buy things for so high are still ultimately the ones responsible. The prices wouldn't be so high if there weren't tons of people willing to pay them.

Really what it boils down to is some of us are just more dedicated than others. I'm not saying that as insult, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend way over retail for a dress. If anything, I'm happy there's less competition than I already have to deal with.

>>8404488
>Why do you guys think those of us who think it's totally fine to price dresses for what they go for are all a bunch of angry scalpers bottomed that people are happy over their rerelease?

Because you're arguing with someone over a petty one-liner they said about old TJ sellers. Get over it. I'm sure they won't bitch anymore now that they have an opportunity to buy for retail directly from the brand.

>>8404478
If you have a dress you know is going to sell higher, why would you put it up for less than retail, though?
>>8404451
How entitled do you have to be to fault people for selling their hard to find valuables for what they paid, instead of lowering the price just because they wore it a few times?

>>8404504
>The prices wouldn't be so high if there weren't tons of people willing to pay them
Different anon, but I think you're confusing desperation with willingness. If people felt they had the choice, they wouldn't. People pay reluctantly, not willingly.

>>8404515
I'm not saying less than retail. I'm saying that your argument would make sense if the auction always started at retail and bidders carried up the price. I rarely see that happen, when it does usually bidders want to keep the price low. If the starting auction is already above retail, then of course the bidding is going to be high at any rate. That's what I'm saying, so it makes no sense.

>>8404507
Except I didn't. My only contribution to the scalper conversation was the post that anon responded to with projection and butthurt and my reply to them. And all the anon who started the conversation did was point out how liberally people like to throw around the word scalper, you people then proceeded to get needlessly mad.

If anyone needs to get over anything, I'd say it's the people screaming "SCALPER!" at the mere idea of pricing something over retail, no matter how rare it is.

>>8404539
You're proving to be as equally butthurt. You should stop.

>>8404526
I'm the anon you were initially replying to, that person you quoted wasn't me. I see what you're saying, but I stalk auctions daily and I see new dresses go from below retail to way over a lot. I don't think pricing the starting bid over retail is the deciding factor of whether it's going to have insane resale value or not.
>>8404516
They do have a choice, though. The choice is to not buy it and just buy another piece instead. I know that because most lolitas center their lives around it, this is an entirely foreign concept to many, but in the end lolita is not a life necessity. It isn't food, medicine, shelter, or anything we actually need. It is a niche fashion. Even if they're reluctant to pay so much, they still choose to, and the people selling to them shouldn't be demonized. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Lolita General: entitled poorfags and people needlessly arguing with them edition

>>8404548
Everyone involved in this conversation is butthurt and should stop.

Especially the side bitching about scalpers. You guys REALLY need to educate yourself on how supply and demand works. It's genuinely worrying that you don't get it if you're actually old enough to be on this board.

>>8404267
No, I'm not religious, but I was raised in a heavily religious family and study Theology as a minor in university. I find Christianity very interesting, especially from a historical point of view.

That and I'm a gothic lolita. Crosses are kinda mandatory for Moitiefags,

>>8404594
>thinking that price manipulation is supply and demand
>trying to econ 101 out on something they don't know shit about

I just came in the thread and I can tell you're full of shit.

Supply and demand has only to do with what brands charge and customers buy. Scalpers are on the side of market manipulation(self explanatory)but that doesn't affect the direct market whatsoever because secondhand markets aren't direct markets(they're only vaguely defined markets at all but I digress) supply and demand and market manipulation, both inside and outside the direct market are separate in all regards besides the product itself.

>>8404412
it honestly just comes out when the brand feels like it. Last thread there was an anon who was asking about a certain pic in KERA and bam it was released literally an hour later.

Although Meta usually does do reservations. Just keep up with their twitter and facebook.

>>8404588
Why are poorfags so entitled? You'd think they'd be grateful for anything nice they got?

>>8404251
It sold for $500 ripped on LM so...

>>8404628
Thank you.

Also, friendly reminder to everyone itt: The butthurt began from THIS COMMENT
>>8404020
>>"Brands are really giving it to old print scalpers lately"

Wow, totally worth getting into a 50 reply argument you constipated biddies.

>>8404628
>thinking supply and demand doesn't effect secondary and resale markets

Oooooooookay.

>>8404389
How so? Got a friend up there, he says heroine chic is still a thing.
No, I live in California.

>>8404303
>>8404602
both of these tbh

>>8403904
Trying too hard to get on that unicorns/pegasus/religious imagery AP train. Not a fan of the weird CG look. Pass.

>>8404412
I feel like IW hyped releases tend to come a max 4 weeks after the magazine release, so mid-late June? The newsletter will give you a few days notice if you subscribe to it.

>>8404715
Heroin, not heroine, we're not talking about bitches dressed like Joan of Arc, that was the '20's

>>8403922

EDIT: I just now realized that I was reiterating what was said above

Yeah it does, but I think a part of it does have to do with the cultural aspects with the cross having little or nothing to do with the unicorns. I imagine that the Japanese designers and fans who see this just think it's cute because they don't understand the association with crosses, but a part of me wants to believe that some of the J-fans think it's aesthetically a clusterfuck, too (I mean...they look randomly placed).

Anywho. I'm looking to putting together one or two meet and greet type events, and I'd like to make goodie bags for guests to take back home. I already have a few ideas, but would love some more. So far I have:

>handmade lavender/potpourri sachets
>sample assortment of teas, or a loose leaf sachet (thinking about buying adagio loose leaf teas to divide into little packets)

>kawaii stickers and Japanese candies

I'd like to keep it simple, but cute and work with guests in spite of their different styles.

>>8404753
Also go for candies. You can win any lolita over if you give them enough candy.

>>8404168
everyone hates UTKs, they're incredibly unflattering on most people

What's one way of getting a sub to KERA? I don't feel like going to Kino in the city all the time.

>>8404801
CdJapan does subs.

>>8404759
For a second there, I thought you typed candles , but definitely looking at candies at the moment. Debating on getting a variation of stuff I can find at my local Asian market (hi-chews, jellies) or getting something in bulk through the internet - maybe those candy stores tied up in cute jewelry bags. It sucks that Michael's doesn't carry Shabby Chic goodie items anymore - they had adorable classic lolita-esque candles (among other things for cheap).

How can you buy a 3f bonnet when Kera is out of stock? Is there another website that stocks them or a ss who will go instore?

>>8404628
Except your entire point is invalid because supply and demand does apply to resale and collectibles, too. If it didn't, collectibles wouldn't even be a thing. You don't know what you're talking about. They even discuss this in Economics classes,

Regardless of what constitutes as scalping, supply and demand still applies even here. There's many girls who want the dresses so bad, they'll pay a scalpers price to the point where it sometimes effects a given piece's going rate. That's unbeatably an example of supply and demand, sketchy or not.

>>8404857
Collectibles are not new items being bought immediately and sold at double the price due to manipulated scarcity. I wasn't taking about supply and demand in the secondhand market at all if you read what I said. Market manipulation doesn't affect the direct market at all in this case.

Why don't you look up market manipulation first instead of trying to act like you know anything.

>>8403904
too sweet for me but the colour is gorgeous. more navy always.

>>8404131
I've gotten all my dream dresses in the last 6 months but one. It took me a little longer to build coords (because less money for basics as well as doing several substyles/themes) but it has been worth it.

For clean cut solids, I adore Miho Matsuda.

>>8404602
Thirding this

>>8404312
THIS IS THE POSSIBLE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE

>>8404020
oh my god

is there any more information on this? I can see the weibo link in the photo but is there anything else yet? I need this twinkle journey rerelease in my life

>>8404131
>How did YOU start building your wardrobe?
Started with gothic as I was already in the gothic fashion so I already had good quality blouses, jackets and shoes. I could wear them with lolita so it was a matter of finding a petticoat, accessories and hunting down dream items.This was made very easy as I came into lolita right as the sweet-classic was kicking off so gothic pieces were abundant and cheap.

Building my classic wardrobe has been another story all together,
I'm flipping around on what color palette I'd like. It's venturing into all the longer length dream dresses and as I find myself looking more into mori and otome with their more wearable everyday items.

So my overall advice would be:
Find what colors suit you and go for quality over quantity.

>What were your first pieces?
Bodyline skirt L325 and then once I found that lolita suited my body type I went straight to brand

>Did you start with basics or did you go ahead and just buy a dream dress right away?
I started with the basics for a gothic wardrobe and then as my income grew I expanded into classic. My basics for gothic were all black so it made things exceptionally easy for matching (petticoat, blouses and black heeled oxfords). In my early days I was browsing the auction sites and my dream dress popped up in two different colors ways for a very cheap price. I won both of those and built my wardrobe around them (gothic and classic)

>Also, who are your favorite brands for solid pieces? Brand and indie.
Innocent world and Metamorphoses. I haven't found an Indie brand that does solid pieces that I like.

>>8405012
>L325
I'm thinking about getting this eventually, how stretchy is the fabric?

Can someone explain to me how Meta releases work? I've never bought from them before.

>>8404834
I think Atelier Pierrot stocks them in their stores? But idk if that counts with their webstore...

>>8405042
It's like an IW reserve, more or less, except you pay when your item is ready to ship rather than when you reserve it.

>>8404267
Honestly? To me, Gothic and crosses go together like chocolate and peanut butter

That said, I would like to see more religions/spiritualities

>>8404817
I think candles could work too

Meta Twinkle Journey Rerelease and Lucky packs.

Usually I like to get meta lucky packs cause they are cheap, but I just don't like lolita skirts. I prefer JSKs or OPs

>>8405367

Would it work to have a star bag with a sweet outfit if the colors match even if the dress doesn't have stars? I have ap's country of sweets skirt and I'm not sure if I should wear my light pink star bag with it.

>>8405385
This is the bag

>>8403904
I... kinda like this?? It's summer though, this looks more like a winter print. Not a lot of hype for this.
.. However the more I look at it the more I like.

>>8403904
I really like this, good to know not everyone else is super excited for it, because it'll be easier for me to get yknow

>>8405371
Okay, so how much of a shitstorm is this gonna be trying to get one of these? I was thinking of the short length jsk or OP in black. Asking because I remember for the night carnival LP that came out a month ago 2 of the colorways sold out in like 10 mins

>>8405371
>>8405466
Yeah I am curious as well.
Hoping to snag a OP

>>8405371
gawd i really want set, surprisingly all the cuts are decent

>>8405480
*want a set

>>8405371
do you think I'll need an ss?

A package from Japan was shipped on May 22nd, on the 24th it was updated to Origin Post is preparing shipment with no further updates. I live in the US and this is the first time it's been stuck on that status for so long. I've already contacted the person who shipped the package but I wanted to know some of yalls experiences.

>>8405523
What shop is it from?
What carrier is it?

>>8405518
there's an english website that ships internationally? i use it all the time. if anything i buy mostly from meta when buying direct just because their website is so much easier to deal with

So anyway, who went to the tea party in Houston this weekend? It was really fun! Kimura U was really sweet and Misako seemed really happy with her belated birthday surprise. Everyone looked really fabulous, too. I saw some grade-A coords!

>>8405270
I saw that The Dollar Tree still has those chocolate/pastry shaped candies, but they smell awful. I hope there are alternatives that are just as cute.

>>8403904
It just. Doesn't feel very Innocent World, to me. I love the collar and I hope they use it again with future dresses, but this seems so opposite from them for some reason. I'm not opposed to brands doing different stuff, obviously, but. Maybe it just feels too bandwagon-y for me.

>>8405523
Judging by the "RR" in the tracking number, looks like it's registered airmail, right? In which case this delay, while somewhat lengthy, is not at all unheard of. Airmail is low priority when it comes to getting on the plane, so sometimes it'll sit at the originating port for a while before there's room for it.

>plan day trip to NYC for Tuesday
>excited to go to Baby store
>check their hours today
>closed Tuesdays

fucking hell i won't be able to go again for a while. guess there's still Kinokuniya. any other altfash stores in the city worth visiting for loliable shit?

>>8405540
Have you tried looking at a ten pack of scented tea candles and packaging them separately?

>>8405371
I will honestly do anything for the black OP.
> I'll buy all three if I can
> All I need is TJ in my life

>>8404720
>>8404653

Thanks guys, I was really hoping it would come out in August since I'm in Japan then. I will pray to the lolita gods for a delay in its arrival.

>>8404729
>inb4 Jeanne d'Arc coords become a thing

>>8405714
i highly doubt it, it's set to release on the 24th of june already

Would this sort of shoe work in lolita?

Wtf? I got the stockings from the Swan Lake reservation in the mail but where's the dress?

>>8405786
could certainly work with classic styles but of course it still depends on what exactly you're pairing it with. Also need to be careful of them looking too much like bridal shoes.

I could imagine them with something a bit like pic related for instance.

If you already own them then go for it but unless they're a great match for a specific lolita dress, I probably wouldn't get them specifically for lolita.

>>8405385
>>8405393
Eh it's super nitpick imo
Besides, candy comes in many forms, no?

>>8405922
That's strange, anon. Maybe you should take pictures of the box + the weight listed when it shipped and contact Baby?
Was the box damaged in anyway?

>>8405931
I bought them separately (like 3 weeks after I purchased the dress and headpiece) but I told baby that I also had another order so they said that they'll combine it. Apparently not.

I nearly murdered my postman because I was so excited, I got two packages and it just turns out dreamv is one hella store because I bought a cardigan on sat and it got here on tuesday.

>>8405947
I think you should wait a week or so for it, maybe they just forgot that they're combining the orders? I don't think the people doing CS are the same ones packing and shipping at Baby.
Have other anons receive their shipping notification/dress? Maybe it wasn't ready to be shipped.

>>8405951
I hope so. I really want to touch this dress so bad

It would be for a shiro hime coord. I'm aiming for a more elegant look but I wasn't sure if they would be too plain

Help me seagulls I'm starting to loathe lolita. I just can't seem to shake from my mind that it's a fad fashion phase in peoples lives that they get over because there are too many fuckwits involved in it.
I'm losing the love.

Anions I want to reserve from BABY but it's my first time buying from them and I'm worried about fucking up and being blacklisted please hold me

>Captcha says to select steak
>two images of what I am 90% sure is someone's turd on a plate
you are not helping Captcha

>>8404131
>How did YOU start building your wardrobe? What were your first pieces?
I bought Squirrel Party after being lured in by the pretty dresses on display in the Bodyline at Harajuku. It was about 4 years ago, I was on /cgl/ for cosplay, so I had a vague idea of what lolita was. I was carrying some black jsk to the counter when I saw squirrel party and I grabbed that instead.
>Did you start with basics or did you go ahead and just buy a dream dress right away?
lol neither. Squirrel party was crammed in my closet for at least a year before I actually tried to wear it. Luckily, one of my cosplay friends was a lolita, so she we did a goodwill run and found a good petticoat (believe it or not) and a cute blouse. It was a super boring coord but it worked. I wore it to conventions on Sundays, but I had this edgy attitude like "No, I'm not a lolita, I just have this dress"
I bought a pair of used $5 bodyline shoes at a con a year and a half ago, and I was sold. I've pretty much stopped sewing cosplays and started making dresses instead. I also spent my money I usually spent on cosplay on lolita instead. /cgl/ has been more lolita oriented now too, so that's convenient, albeit sad.
>Also, who are your favorite brands for solid pieces? Brand and indie.
All of my solids are handmade, hah. The pieces I buy are all pieces that I really really really wanted, and that's usually only because of a print or motif. There's no cut or design that I can't just replicate by myself if I really like it.

>>8406037
can you simplify your daily Lolita? once you strip it back to basics for daily wear it could make you see the clothes you love again

Did anything ever happen with that idea to document all the loliable shops/activities in various places? I'm visiting London and the Manchester area in a few weeks and would love to know if there are any cute hidden shops selling loliable stuff or something like that.
Archives are difficult to sift through because of the big con(s) hosted there and of course
LONDON
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>>8406081
Go to Vivienne Westwood.

Of course, take the Eurostar and day trip to Paris.

>>8406081
It's a mixed bag but I'd recommend visiting Camden market in London for the experience alone. There's a lot of overpriced tat but you can also find some really beautiful things too and the odd gem. You're more likely to find cute and gothic accessories there than anything though and you'll likely see some mori-type clothing too.

There is a lolita / visual kei shop of sorts there too called Sai Sai but it's mostly DOL replicas and other taobao brands at inflated prices (as well as some really dodgy stuff). You may find the odd nice thing though at an acceptable price, you just have to dig a bit. They also sell An*tai*na shoes so those may well be worth looking at. The staff are really friendly there at least so there's that.

The lolita jsk in the collage is one of the items for sale at Sai Sai but you're likely to pay around 80 GBP for it.

Greenwich Market is also worth checking out, you can usually find some lovely accessories and bits and bobs there, especially for classic lolita.

Can't help with Manchester I'm afraid, I haven't been for years.

>>8404940
It only depends if enough people email though. So please, spam AP as much as you can

>>8405929
Thanks. I'll probably do it

>>8404131
I only started buying February of this year. I'm currently at six main pieces, including one of my ultimate dream dresses,
I don't have a lot of basics for coording though, so I'd like to hold off on buying anymore main pieces for now and focus on basic blouses, boleros, and accessories, before I end up and overwhelmed and unable to coord any of my dresses. Though if I fall in love with some cheaper main pieces that match my wardrobe, I might give in. The fact that I was able to find my dream dress should keep me satisfied for a while, though.
I think I'm slowly starting to get a feel for the style and colors I like, so hopefully that means I'll have a more cohesive wardrobe where the pieces can work for multiple looks!

>>8404876
>I wasn't taking about supply and demand in the secondhand market at all if you read what I said.
>Supply and demand has only to do with what brands charge and customers buy.
Different anon, but that's literally exactly what you said.

I'm so so sorry to reply to this silly argument, but I need to point out that "Market Manipulation" is something very different than what you guys are talking about and you have been gravely misinformed, or are very much misunderstanding what it is. The term refers to highly damaging fraud (mostly stock fraud) and it's illegal, it isn't accurate at all to use it in reference to jacking up resale prices of secondhand clothes. Manipulating the secondhand market is not the same thing as "Market Manipulation" like you seem to think.

Supply and demand 100% applies to the resale market and even scalping. Scalping is a scheme entirely based around taking advantage of supply and demand.

I have to say, as an Economics major, this thread was actually a little tough to read.

Further reading on Market Manipulation straight from the FBI website before anyone wants to challenge this and drag on this needless debate: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/market-manipulation-fraud

>>8404131
I did a lot of research before I actually bought lolita, so my first dress was AP when I was 16 after two years of interest. I only went for dream dresses, mostly. I can't even imagine how much less satisfying it would be not to prioritize them and have them be in the minority if any at all.

My favorite brand is AatP, but I love AP an Moitie, too. Favorite solid pieces would be Michael's Blessing and Rozalia Princess.

So deets on what's happening with the Grand Lolita Tea Party ? Why are Jonh and Denice involved in that ? What the heck is going on ?

Would a 38cm petticoat work on a 60cm dress/skirt? Or should it be within 5cm of each hem or something like that?

>>8406295
Are you talking about the one in Germany? Yeah, they're hosting it. It's an AM event. Didn't know there was anything going amiss, though?

>>8405786
I own these exact shoes in pink! I was nervous about wearing them but they went insanely well with the ribbons on an OP I have
Most of my comm said they were really cute but they do hurt after a few hours

>>8406334
Yes. People are getting angry at Jonh on the main page, calling him out for past misbehaviour etc. so I was wondering why would they organize something like that.

>>8405535
It's an order from Tenshi, I already spoke to her and she stated that if the package doesn't move by next week she'll file a report.

>>8405546
Yes it is Registered Airmail, thank you for your input anon I feel a bit calmer.

>>8406334
>>8406295
Chokolate dropped out of running it because John was such an asshole, apparently

>>8405947
Usually they don't combine orders so maybe that's why

I do wish Choke would actually go into detail about what happened, more than John is a bad person and she fell ill.

>>8406037
At the end of the day it's just clothing. Taking a break from the online community and going as a lone Lolita for a while (or even permanently) may be a good idea for you. There are no rules saying you have to be involved in the community to wear the clothes, after all.

>>8406392
Maybe she (wisely) doesn't want to get involved in a big drama saga by publicly sharing details about a personal conflict.

>>8406333
It depends on where you wear the petti which affects your skirt shape. Usually you only want about max 5cm difference between your petticoat and the end of the skirt (the skirt shouldn't hang over it like a lampshade). However your petti does not need to sit exactly at your waist (or wherever the skirt starts), it can be worn lower. The skirt probably won't fall in on itself just because there's 10cm without a petti on top. However 20cm sounds a little extreme unless it's an empire waist in which case you want very little poof anyway.

>>8405601
That'd be cool. I think for now, I'll nix the candles because it's just going to make the bags too heavy.

I'm plan on doing introductions once everyone's at the site and eating, and then playing a quick game to get everyone warmed up before heading off for photos and shopping. It's hard to anticipate how many people are actually going to go (medium sized comms, but I usually see the same 3-6 people at meets). As much as I'd like to order the lolita version of Cards Against Humanity, I'd rather save that for more intimate meets (besides, a majority of us will be commuting a ways to the site). Suggestions for games that require little set up would be awesome.

>>8406295
Someone posted the caps of why Choke left on the German thread

>>8404961
Here's the link, but is everything sold out already????? I thought it was releasing on the 24th??!! Please someone tell me I didn't fucking miss it

http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/m-metamornews1132.html/language/en

>>8406442
Meta always says sold out before the item is released. You didn't miss anything.

Are there seersucker dresses? It seems like a great fabric for hotter areas.

>>8405367
What's the likelyhood I can snag one of the musical skirts? My sister is a musician and she'd love this, I think.

>>8406455
One in however many prints were released this year by Meta. It's a crapshoot, you might be better off waiting for people to get theirs and then posting a WTB.

>>8406455
I have the musical cat skirt in green. I've been thinking of selling it if you just want the skirt.

>>8406466
I think she'd prefer the black, but what price do you have in mind? I might buy it for myself!

>>8406434
Looks like they've been deleted.

>>8406483
I'm not really sure since skirts are more difficult for me to pinpoint. Make an offer? I love the skirt but I find the green hard to work with because of my wardrobe.

>>8406338
>>8406382

Oh, wow, I had no idea. Thanks for the info. I was at the tea party in Houston and didn't hear anything about this so I'm assuming this is REALLY recent or perhaps everyone was just being tactful haha.
I'm actually sorry to hear that because I actually really like Choke.

>>8406547
Somebody posted caps and deleted them immediatlely. They're archived, but I can't into german.
>https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/8323065#p8400003

>Inb4 girlyhoot didn't win Heart of Gold Award

>>8406566
the highlights based on a google translation is that john doesn't know shit about organizing events professionally, and that he makes sexist/sexual jokes and "invitations of a personal nature" despite having a wife and kids

so nothing new i guess.

>>8406659
Well she has a heart only for attention, so who's surprised?

Does anyone have their dress yet to post photos?

The stock ones for the reservation are pretty small and it would be nice to see some close up shots before the skirts are released.

>>8406720

*MORE close up shots*

If anyone has the time, a review would be appreciated!

>>8406659
They actually gave it to someone who seemed very deserving. They picked a good entry, IMO!

>>8406566
>>8406665
Thanks for the caps and loose translation, anons. Wow... I don't know how to feel about this. I mean, I know how to feel about it but it's really perturbing. Poor Choke.

When I make a reservation from AatP with the shopping cart, can I also buy non-reservation items in the same order? Like I want to reserve a blouse but also want to order a pair of regular socks that happen to be in stock.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I can't really find the answer to this on the website.

Sigh...

I tried making a SS reservation for Meta's TJ release but the email I received from them basically told me "It will be popular, we'll try, but don't count on it" --I'm paraphrasing, but it's the same thing.
Should I just give up? An SS will never give me priority over their regulars because I almost never use them.

>>8406665
tbh though shouldn't we emphasize that this isn't anything new? John has a gross personality and Deneice is only a bit better but just as manipulative.

But the thing about organizing events professionally, is that really credible? I mean he's been running a con for 10 years so, although it is a pretty shitty one and has been running mainly on luck, he has lots of business contacts with the japanese so if he wasn't really a professional, wouldn't his business be burnt out by now?

I've always heard that Choke wasn't that much of a professional herself. I mean like, she made a fit at AM when a model didn't want to wear a wig the way she wanted her to, and she even argues with people and is unprofessionally defensive about her company when people express that they don't really like her wigs or service.

For me, so far it doesn't seem like it was a good idea for both of them to be working together in the first place...

>>8406879
I'm pretty sure reservations always have to be separate.

>>8405042
>>8405157
Can you reserve straight from Meta's site with a credit card and/or Paypal?
>also new to ordering from Meta, sorry

>>8405371
is that a pink Twinkle Journey?!

So I placed my first order with closet child on the 14th. I got the pay pal receipt, but received no email from them as it says I should. Should I email them? Or am I just being paranoid?

>>8407010
Paypal

I want a middle length daily wear wig in a medium cool brown suitable for lolita. Is lockshop good for this? The archives weren't conclusive on whether that's the place to get one or if it's just rebranded GLW. Arda is too voluminous at the scalp for daily wear on me and the fibers are too thick for something that isn't heavily heat styled. I don't really want to wait a month or two for taobao, but resellers are OK. However, most browns I've seen from Asian suppliers are really warm toned and this looks terrible on me. I'm not meant to be a ginger.

I've poked around at normie wig stores but they all come in soccer mom styles and that's not what I'm after, especially if I'm hoping to pay $60 max. Ideally around $40 or under.

Any tips?

>>8406566
She's rambling a lot, talking more about her personal feelings. Basically she was lured in by promises of uniting the comms but feels used. She accuses him of taking everything into his own hand selfishly, taking no help to make himself look good and her bad. Plus the sexual jokes and invitations.

>>8406997
(I'm sure this is a good point anon, but it will go un heard because girls would rather hop on Choke's dick than John's)

>>8407032
Recommending Cyperous to you anon.

Unfortunately Lockshop suffers from GLW and Arda syndrome--the wigs will make you look like you're wearing a damn wig and isn't natural looking at all.

>>8407034
I heard he took matters into his own hands because she really couldn't make decisions herself. Although I get that if he kept changing up plans, there wasn't much she could do.

>>8407006
Makes sense. Thanks, anon.

>>8406484
Anyone save them?

>>8407047
what? I've seen plenty irl and they look fantastic.

I wasn't sure if I should put this on the Old School thread or the Nostalgia thread, but all of the sudden, I remember the prominence of the Singapore lolita comm and Black Alice.

>>8406081
There's some weeb shops in Afflecks Palace in Manchester, might be worth a look just for the gigs. The shit they try to pass off as lolita is amazing.

>>8406997
>he has lots of business contacts with the japanese so if he wasn't really a professional, wouldn't his business be burnt out by now?
This is exactly what I thought. All those respectable people working with him, surely that's a reassurance that's hes a reliable and trustworthy person.

> I mean like, she made a fit at AM when a model didn't want to wear a wig the way she wanted her to
Hmmm, I didn't have a fit because of what you said, I got angry at John because he had me make stuff especially for the show, very last minute, he told me brands had requested them, it turned out the brands didn't request anything and had no idea what was going on.

>>8407032
There's a collection that is made for daily wear, they're lighter and more natural looking, especially the Mocca is nice. But I'm not sure if they are as passing as natural hair as you'd like, and they might be too much to just try.

>>8407068
I cannot read. Please ignore my idiocy.

>>8407077
>I had a fit because of what you said
I know this is going to come off bitchy, but I'm just curious. I don't understand how that has anything to do with a specific model not wanting to wear a wig? The statement didn't really have anything to do with John, it was just someone mentioning a past situation and how it could have been dealt with more professionally.
So what was the actual conflict? Did the model want the bangs a different way than you did? I'm confused how one can wear a wig "wrong" without the obvious slipping off the back of the head thing.

>>8407071
>tfw discovered that their website is defunct

>>8407077
Do you happen to have any non-studio photos of the vanille next to the flax? I've been trying to figure out if the flax is more like an ash blonde or silver

>>8407088
I can't remember a specific model not wanting to wear a wig and me throwing a fit over that (all models were very cooperative and the designers had to choose), so I assume that anon thought that incident (me getting angry at John) was over a model not wanting to wear a wig? It's easy to misunderstand things!

>>8407091
I'm planning to do do side by side pictures of all colors soon! Can't promise when though, but it's definitely in the works. I personally find it more like an ash blonde.

>>8407096
no the wig incident wasn't about john. People in AM saw you throwing a tantrum in a booth and what I heard was that a model didn't want the extension bang placed in and you got frustrated.

>>8407104
I love how I threw out the question about the bangs at random because I had no idea what else the problem could have been, and it was the fucking bangs.

>>8406820
wait, who did they pick?

>>8407104
If that's the story choke needs better models.
Kek I've had to deal with those giant thick bobby pins literally digging into my scalp hard enough that it pulled out hair and bruised me while balancing a 5-8lb hair piece on my neck. I never once bitched about it beyond "This is uncomfortable but I'll do my best", and bitch I wasn't even paid for that one.

>>8406973
Use Chibitenshi, she has the best chance of getting something for you regardless of priority/regulars.
>source
>was not a regular and she got me three dream dresses

>>8407104
I didn't even have those made, so are you sure those "people that saw me" might not have been mistaken? As I said, the only thing that came close to a fit was the incident with John. I'm pretty sure they got that mixed up.

>>8407077
good connections =/= reliable and trustworthy

>>8406430
What? Where do you order Lolita cards against humanity??

>>8407127
Can confirm this, I was there.
I mean, I wasn't staring at chokelate the entire time we were in the fitting room but I never saw or heard about any conflict with any of the models.

>>8407119
Can confirm, I do theatrical wigs for a living and while we do everything we can to make actors/performers comfortable there are just some people who won't ever feel comfortable wearing wigs. You know you're going to be wearing a wig when you sign up for this sort of thing, if you're gonna make a fuss about it it's only going to irritate me and everybody else.

>>8407136
not the fitting room though, in the vendor's hall

I don't know, it may have been a rumor I guess but it was a thing a lot of people mentioned seeing at AM...

>>8407131
Seconding

>>8407131
There will probably be info on the Deerstalkers video

>>8407182
Wait..did they produce them? Suddenly not as interested...

>>8407189
You can always make your own and get them printed. There's blanks on the website.

Just saw this jewelry box on tumblr and holy shit I am in love. Can't find anything about it anywhere though, does any body know when they released this?

>>8407222
Oh wow that is gorgeous

>>8407189
Milkyfawn made them.

It's kind of silly you suddenly have no interest just because Deerstalker was involved.

>>8407222
It was a novelty item

>>8407233
It is, but that's my decision. Plus, now that I know I can make my own why would I bother with someone else's?

>>8406401
Making vague hints is just as bad if not worse

>>8407233
wasn't lolita cards against humanity a cgl thing?

>>8407234
No shit Sherlock
What novelty fair? What year? Jfc

>>8407220
Link? I don't see any blanks just the regular cards

>>8407248
Yes. Though i thought it was common knowledge that Milkyfawn lurks here?

>>8407101
Do you have an idea of when the wigs that were released at AM will make it onto the site? They were gorgeous!

>>8407117
Umm I can't remember her name, actually. She's not well known at all but I think she prefers that? She's from Texas and she was really sweet. Her boyfriend nominated her and it was a really sweet entry.

>>8407155
In my case it wasn't so much the hairpiece, but the girl's teacher literally shoved that thing in and couldn't figure out how to reset it(so her fault, not the girl's), it ended up being crossed with a few others so it couldn't just be wobbled into comfort.

Models shouldn't be making a fuss unless something is actually unreasonable like being asked to have their hair cut/dyed/nudity when it wasn't mentioned or agreed to.

>>8407077
>>8407047

Thanks for the help! I'm not especially concerned about getting a *totally* undetectable wig for this cheap. It helps that the color I'm after is my natural shade. I can do basic styling, so color and construction are top priority.

I'm concerned Cyperous browns will be too warm judging by their photos and chart. Pic related is pretty much the color I'm after. It seems darker than "milk tea".

The Mocca color looks promising on the Muse, but looks darker on other models. Are there side-by-side comparison photos between the browns anywhere?

>>8407127
>namefagging so people won't be able to trace this under your trip later
Clever little sneak. I don't trust you. You don't want someone to find this.

>>8407303
lol

paranoid much?

>>8407313
anon has a point though, choke's usually a tripfag so why isn't she posting sans trip right now?

>>8407313
She does it whenever she doesn't want someone to look up what she said later on. She tripfags, so why namefag if not for that reason? I have nothing to be paranoid about, I just enjoy calling bullshit on a person who has a history of bullshit.

>>8407251
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cah/CAH_BlankWhiteCards.pdf
http://s3.amazonaws.com/cah/CAH_BlankBlackCards.pdf

>>8407317
...something doesn't seem right here

>>8407317
>>8407350
Looks like somebody forgot to stop impersonating her for a second. "Choke" was namefagging in the model thread too. >>8406984

>>8407350
>Implying EVEN YOU can't also use the name Chokelate

>>8407350
>>8407352
Either that or they did it on purpose to prove a point about how easy it is to namefag. Another convenient excuse
>"I didn't say that! Anon was impersonating me"

Choke had her legit trip on in another thread not more than an hour ago. She's lurking if not in here.

>>8407303
>>8407317
>>8407331
Wait so if you trip your comments aren't traceable? I thought I knew most of the shit here but now I feel like a complete idiot.

>>8407375
Not really, everything is archived now

>>8407377
I guess I'm just confused on how that makes it 'sneaky' or caters to her not wanting specific people to see her comments later?

>>8407375
If you -do- tripfag, your comments are googlefu-tier traceable through online archives.

If you don't trip, or simply "namefag," it's much harder to trace comments and no less prove it's the person who said them. Hence the purpose of tripfagging is to establish identity, so for someone to suddenly stop is indicative of shady behavior.

>>8407285
Her name is Susan and she's from San Antonio. Apparently she had a terrible childhood and her boyfriend wanted to do all he could to make sure her life now will always be amazing to make up for it. He wrote about how she started a charity and how sweet and generous she was. When they read the entry my whole table started tearing up... she really deserved to win and I chatted with her and she was incredibly sweet

>>8407402
Yeah either this is someone impersonating her or she's just trying not to get tracked for later. Either way, everything this Choke said can be called bullshit since it's not reliable claims.

>>8407432
I saw a video and she cried and it was beyond sweet and touching. Misako and the other host were floored that she was so touched. I'm glad someone that deserved to win did.

sharpen your knives ladies, milky cross is getting a rerelease

>>8407663
>tfw when dream dress is Puppet Circus and you're too afraid to shell out the money for it because you know it's only a matter of time before it gets rereleased, so you find yourself in dream dress purgatory

>>8407663
It's like the Year of the Rerelease right now, I love it!

How do you gulls normally dry your clothes after handwashing them?
I've always just laid them out on a towel to make sure everything lays flat again, but that takes up a lot of space. I recently heard about the "roll-up" / "sandwich" technique like pic related, where you basically lay the item flat, then roll up the towel so the fabric is squished between the layers. It supposedly dries your clothing faster because of the absorption from both sides, but has anybody tried this?

>>8407674
Do you really think the odds of them releasing a 9 year old dress are that high? They don't screen print anymore either. If they even did make a rerelease it would be a completely different dress.

>>8407674
I seriously doubt AP would release a velvet piece in the middle of summer, anon. It would probably happen in late fall or winter (if at all), so I'd say you have plenty of time to replenish your funds if you wanna go for Milky Cross.

>>8407663
YES. I'll finally be able to get this beautiful dress.

>>8407758
I do that but you don't leave it in the towel, you put a piece of clothing on a towel, roll it up really tight, then unroll it and flat dry the clothing. A lot of the moisture gets taken out so the clothes dry faster.

>>8407766
Wasn't Victorian Tassel a screen print? A lot of brands have been doing rereleases recently so I don't think it's entirely outside the realm of possibility.

>tfw no pastel a la mode rerelease

>>8407674
I've asked this before and didn't get an answer- Have they ever done a rerelease of a Imai Kira print? I can't think of any off the top of my head. It seems unlikely they will rerelease this if that is the case.

>>8407788
You just made me realize so much about life. No, anon. NO. That's why theyre so damn hard to find. You are a genius.

Do you guys think dreamy plantarium is gonna be a big hit? How fast will it sell out and do I have a chance to buy some of the tights?

>>8407835
I get the feeling it's gonna be cosmic 2.0.
Scalpers will go ape shit over it, it'll maybe get an MTO, then nobody will give a shit anymore and it'll crop up on the secondhand market for about retail/just under retail depending on colourway.

>>8406997
>she even argues with people and is unprofessionally defensive about her company when people express that they don't really like her wigs or service.

This. One of my friends was talking about some issues she had with Lockshop wigs and Choke's response was to generally shitpost and post sarcastic reaction images in response. Choke has no idea how to act like a mature professional

>>8407663
With all these re-releases I'm wondering if it's worth emailing in asking if they'd bring Sweetie Violet back. It's one of those prints I didn't realise I loved until I saw everyone wear it, but I'm a cheapskate when it comes to buying secondhand.

How is Chibi Tenshi with cancellations?

I sent a request for Milky Cross a few hours ago, but after thinking it over, I don't think I'll wear it that much and actually shouldn't buy it just because it's cute if it will just sit in my closet. I regretted not getting it the first time, but that was the reason I passed on it then too.

She hasn't responded to my messages and the item isn't out yet, but her website says buyers are obligated once they make a request.

I don't want to be a flake, but I don't want to waste money. I guess worst case scenario I just resell it...

>>8407772
Not that anon, but I'd totally go for a short-sleeved cotton summer version. I live in a warm climate and there's not many opportunities to wear velvet.

>>8406997
I bought from her once and it was a nightmare. She was super responsive until I paid. After that it took a week at a time to get a one sentence reply when there was a problem with the item

>>8407663
This print is so hideous, especiallyin bblue. The cuts are gross too. Definitely one of AP's worst
Somehow I'm offended by it.

>>8408150
haha same, tbh
at least you got your item tho lol

>>8407788
I doubt they ever would, probably because it would require her consent as well.

>>8408220
As if that would be hard for them to get? smh

>>8404133
>>8404961
I have been waiting for this day for aeons. Now that it has arrived I realise that my taste in prints has moved on and I probably won't wear it. It will sit and moulder away in my wardrobe, looked over for more classic cuts that reflect my age.
>lolita grief

>tfw still no holy lantern re-release

>pls AP

Did anyone else wake up early for bambi?

I definitely wanted this version of the JSK but was torn between cream/pink or blue/red colourway and they made it easy for me by immediately selling out of blue/red.

I still emerge victorious though!
I'm so excited since deer are my favourite thing and it's such a nice whimsical print without being oversweet baby-room wallpaper (sorry milky-chan...)

>>8408284
This. I've written them in, has anyone else here? I'm considering making sock puppets to write them as well.

I need this shit like BURNING. I will never stop kicking myself over seeing it when it first when up and everything was in stock and going 'eh it's not THAT cute'

>tfw seeing a dress in person changes everything

>>8408293
I'm still waiting for Ex Libris Coppelia + Pinocchio. They said that they were being released today? but nothing on their website. I've already asked Chibi to reserve it for me.

I've asked them everytime I miss something from AP. So everytime. HL please. I'll seriously buy every fucking colourway not even joking.

>>8407663
Is it true that the OP is itchy? I saw some girls posting that in the comments section of Lolita Updates...

>>8408293
I got the other JSK in brown, as well as the socks in ivory x red.
I'm a bit nervous since they didn't have dress stock pictures of the brown colorway so I'm hoping it will be cute. In any case it's going to fit into my wardrobe better - I like the blue too, but I'd have no idea what to do with it.

So I got my first AP one piece, and I've finally decided it's too small. The fit is fine, the waist is just too short. I've heard of girls adjusting the straps of jsks to give it more length, which is exactly what I need, but that's not going to happen on an OP.
I still love the print, and I'd like to do a trade for the jsk but 1) I've never done a trade before, how do you make sure it goes through safely? and 2) Is there even anyone who would trade a jsk for an op in the same print?
I'm thinking maybe I should just sell it and try to find the jsk later but I got it for a good price in good condition, ugh. I don't want to let it go.
It's the jewelry jelly op in pink, if it makes a difference. I'd be okay with other colors.

What classical/sweet brands offer smaller sized (like around B30/W24/H32) lolita clothing? I want to get back into lolita but I've noticed that just about all major brands seem to have made their pieces bigger in the last 5 years or so.

>>8408381
VM and MM?

>>8408381
VM and MM as anon mentioned, certain IW pieces and skirts from nearly all brands tend to be smaller in the waist than dresses.

>>8408293
My fucking alarm didn't go off and both the ivory and blue are sold out so no Bambi for me, haha.

>>8408388
>>8408419
VM and MM have gotten larger alongside of the other brands too, their stuff generally have a B88/W68, which is still a bit too big for anon.

OP your best bet is probably to go old school hunting or getting things altered.

So how many things has AP re-released this year?

>Misty Sky
>Drained Cherry
>Milky Cross

>>8407663
What do you gulls think the chances are of a Dolly Cat rerelease?

>>8408520
VM fit fine and I'm B78/W59. They tend to list larger measurments for their dresses, and they usually have some kind of lacing or belt to go with them. And even then, a bit of ease is better for the fit. MM is too big bust wise for my EU ACup though.

>>8408419
IW's S size is pretty on point and their skirts are pretty small (64cm, the elastic band is harsh as hell so anyway over that would suffer)

>>8408563
It's selling at retail right now on Japanese auctions. Maybe in a few years if demand grows enough.

>>8408293
That is super cute but would look like a busy clusterfuck on the wrong person. I hope if it gets popular it will distract people from Lotta as the go-to deer dress. Also Milky chan looks deranged

>>8408300
Oh no, good luck! Hopefully it will pop up.
And seriously I would give so much for it..

>>8408314
Congratulations! I'm really interested to see how the brown and red will look as a while dress. I think they'll look really nice, but it's unfortunate that baby didn't give real previews..
I think the blue would have looked good with cream blouses and red shoes, I want to see what people do with theirs..!!
>>8408467
Oh noo! Don't give up, anon. There's Ivory in that cut in stock right now, if that's the cut you were interested in. Baby has a habit of quietly restocking things so just keep checking!
>>8408573
I still would sacrifice a body part for Lotta but I agree that I hope that maybe the deer loving can spread out a bit and maybe drop the prices (so that I can also buy Lotta...)

Milky-chan is just.. some sort of demented rat-deer. Not even in a cute way..

>>8405571
Elizabeth center mall in China town used to be pretty loliable but I haven't been in a few months (i think they have a purikura machine??). You can try the small strip malls in queens as well if you have the time, grab yourself cheap bubble tea.

>>8407918
I know a lot of people seem to be under the impression that MTO automatically means a dress won't have crazy resale markup, but let's not forget Cats Tea Party was MTO.

>>8408577
>some sort of demented rat-deer
Since this was my first reservation I was reading up on BABY's site a bit and I kept seeing this poodle icon in the corner of my eyes and thinking it was a deformed Milky-chan or something. I don't completely hate Milky in the original print but some of the bags/accessories (the scarf!) with it are just creepy.

>>8407766
What are you smoking? They still do screen prints, just take a look at Lolibrary. Also, its age means nothing, it's still their most popular print of all time after almost a decade. It would without debate be the single most profitable rerelease they could do.

>>8408607
Cats Tea Party's initial release was MTO. Where-as popular dresses when they were first released such as Cosmic and Day Dream Carnival were not.

The reason why Cats Tea Party is so pricey and popular is because people overlooked it on its release and so not that many was made. Then when they got shipped out and people saw how pretty it really was, everyone wanted to get their hands on it.

Have F+F's quality improved? Their stuff looks so much better but I still have my doubts from receiving low quality garments years ago

>>8408110
I really want this to happen. I almost bought a replica to fed the need.

>>8408305
I bought the OP and sold it immediately because it was too tight on my boobs and arms. I can't say anything about its itchiness but to me it just felt crunchy because it's made with organza instead of chiffon.

>>8408180
>implying that you did not get your item
Go on...

>>8408622
you can keep justifying it, but the likely hood of it actually happening is pretty nonexistant. They know it's their most popular print. Obviously they don't care or they would have rode the shit out of it for the profits. Imho it seems like they're trying to make ANYTHING else more popular than PC just by doing rereleases of literally everything else. Why else would they release drained cherry and some other stuff like that instead? It doesn't make sense. PC rerelease is never going to happen.

>>8406042
>mfw baby blacklisted me before
>mfw I tried to place an order with them a month later and they allowed me to

Blacklisting customers is really stupid tbh, it means less people will buy your products? A warning system that leads to blacklisting would be a lot smarter.

>>8408114
Just tell her what happened, and say you can still pay for it if no one else can take the spot, but if someone else wants the same cut/colorway give the spot to them.

>>8405456
>>8405394

>Doesn't look like it will be popular

Guess you're missing the discussion on Loilta Updates on FB about it, and the post IW made a few days ago. Might have another Lotta on our hands if it sells out during the special members reserve.

>>8407758
Anon i always do that. Just roll up the dress/blouse quickly, press firmly, unroll and then let the mostly dry dress hang dry without dripping everywhere.