/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8402562
Left. The dress fit her slightly better

Blue looks better

>>8402562
Is that Misako wearing AP?

>>8402587
Yes it is. Does she usually not wear AP?

>>8402587
Misako mightn't model for them, but she pretty much wears whatever.

>>8402562
Left looks better only because they airbrushed her baggy old hag face, and she's wearing the better colorway. Misako is way cuter, but that print should not have any purple in it in the pink colorway.

>>8402622
Agreed

we should be playing this with the twin thread

What a stupid thread.

They are wearing the exact same coord. Who wore it better should be one dress, different coord, no?

>>8402773
They aren't wearing the same coord, though. Socks, shoes, headwear, and colorway.

>>8402572
I wish AP fit my frame like that.

>>8402759
If you think this is bad you should head on over to the Nitpick

Why the fuck would you turn twinning into a contest? It is one of the least toxic things of lolita, dont ruin it.

>>8403024
Stop.

>>8402588
She's been one of the main models for Baby since forever, and I guess people still cling to the idea of some imagined rivalry between Baby and AP.
She's modeled pretty much every major brand In Kera/GLBs st some point though.

If this is going to happen, do it like the old days where you grab different photos of people wearing the same print. Don't try to pit people who are twinning and having fun against each other.

>>8403100
God, this is tough because they're all so different. I think top 2nd photo to the left, and bottom left corner (middle girl) are my two favorites, with bottom middle photo as honorable mention.

>>8403100
The 3rd one on top

>>8403100
i adore bun girl.
the one above her is cute aswell.
<they're all cute but the most cute>

>>8403100
left to right
6=7>1>2>4>3>9>8>5

>>8402633
aww they are kyoot
>>8403024
well i agree
>>8403100
i like em all

I'm going Misako only because of her sock and shoe choice, its just slightly better and brings the coord together expertly.

>>8403100
Going to have to say bun girl or second on the top (although her shoes....). None of them really hit the mark as exceptional for me, but top far right is an honorable mention.

>>8403100
Favourites would be Pixie_late and kammie, top right looks awful, probably because it's a replica, but the wig looks awkward. Never got the hype about vanillablitz

>>8403100
bottom right end looks better

>>8403100
First one is a good classic turned simple example?
My top fav would be the last girl(right side) in the first bottom left photo. Last girl on bottom right I would have liked a love more if it wasnt for the cheap bow in her hair

How about ouji edition?

>>8404765
Pink looks more suited to it, but I like the blue colorway more.

>>8404765
These two are too hard to compare because they are basically the same thing. It will all come down to personal preference on color, which in that case, blue is my favorite. I like her hair a bit more, too, but these are too close to have one look much better than the other.

>captcha though jar of honey was juice

>>8404765
Hard to tell when you can't see as much of the blue outfit. I really like both of these though, "sweet"/pastel ouji needs to happen more

>>8404787
Neither tbh

>>8404787
I would say the taller one

I love making these.
Any specific print/colorway/cut requests?

>>8404993
How about a popular classic dress like Grazia crown or Elizabeth Bride of Death?

>>8404993
I really like 2, 6, and 9

>>8404765
I like the left, mostly the sleeves and my weakness for short bobs.
>>8404993
I really wish girls with hijabs would at least not wear the bows on top. it looks dumb.
My favorites are the asian girl with the gold shoes on the 2nd row and fatty-chan on the bottom left

>>8405016
>fatty-chan
Are you serious? Is this what people are calling fat now?

>>8404787
The one on the right is wearing a better choice of tights

>>8405002
I could do Grazia crown. All colorways?

>>8405021
In fairness that one was taken from the plus size lolita tumblr, and the girl does claim to be plus sized.

>>8404993
I really like #s 6 and 10

>>8405034
I think I goofed when I made this. It's the same girl but with a different wig lol

>>8405016
Agreed. I don't like hijabs in lolita at all tbh. They don't match the aesthetic at all. Hair is such a big part of lolita and the way it hides the neck ruins the sillouette.

>>8405069
I don't either and I hate how if you say that anywhere else but here you will be labeled an "islamaphobe"

>>8404993
9 and 10

>>8402622
Where was the picture taken?

>>8404993
They really need to stop wearing hijabs in Lolita. It doesn't suit the aesthetic in the least, no matter how they try to dress it up. Also, I thought the point of the hijab was to be modest... which is exactly the opposite of lolita.

>>8405199
no the point of the hijab is to show your faith.

also lolita is modest in it's show of skin. muslims don't prohibit flashy clothing.

>inb4 you're someone who thinks modesty means dressing plain

it has different meanings, southern belles were considered modest too and they wore the flashiest clothing.

>>8403100
This is hard but I think I'd give it to far right on top. The coord is just so nicely balanced and it looks great on her.
>>8404765
Left one looks better mostly due to the shoes imo.
>>8404787
I like the one on the right. The pink is cute and I feel like her wig is more flattering.
>>8404993
I'm between 6 and 10. I'm leaning towards 10 just because it's more OTT which I think suits the dress.

>>8405205
Agreed like honestly who cares. Good on those girls for expressing themselves thru lolita.

>>8404993
6,9,10 but that is just a personal taste preference.
Would have liked 3 without the shawl, and 4 without the stupid feather.

>>8405213
I feel like these are all styled so differently, honestly all of them are cute

>>8404993
can you do melty doughnut OP? All colors, no specific pref

>>8405037
There's more than one goof. I'm #7 and #4. I was wondering why you included me twice in a who wore it better graphic.

>>8405205
>Most often, the hijab is worn by Muslim women as a symbol of modesty and privacy
Not very modest or private if you ask me.

>>8405231
The wigs make you look like different people just glancing.

>>8403100
>slightly disppointed not to be in this post
the second girl did a splendid job, I'd say a tie between her and 4th
>>8404993
9 is my personal favorite, I love simple and harmonic coords where less is more.
>May have sauce?

I enjoy these collages of multiple people in the same dress, so cool to see multiple ways of wearing the thing.

>>8403100
I'd have to go with bottom right, but they're all cute in different ways.

>>8404993
9, because all the others have something I'm not 100% on even though they all have awesome points too.

>>8405213
The one on the left is my fav here.

>>8404993
Also, I'd love to see one of basically any of IW's floral pieces, or some of the quirkier Meta.

>>8405087
I also hate how they always say it is connected to their religion. It's weird. If we aren't allowed to bring in things like fetishes why bring in something even more controversial like one's religion?

>>8405213
That's Royal Chocolate and two different cuts. The first two are the round JSK and the last one is the low waist JSK.

And I agree with >>8405218.
But I really like how the first two added in some color.

>>8405087
I don't get people (especially tumblrettes) who openly shit on all forms of Christianity (except Orthodox because it's mostly concentrated in Eastern Europe and they don't know shit about it, which makes it exotic and foreign) but if you dare say anything remotely negative about Islam (or indeed, any 'foreign' religion) you get labelled a -phobe and bigot.

>>8404765
both of these just look so ill-fitting.

>>8404787
One on the right is a bit more creative with the pink tights, but she didn't really balance it well.

>>8404993
2, 6 and 10 are my favorites. I really don't feel like the hijab necessarily detracts from the lolita aesthetic, I actually think it looks beautiful and this girl seems to match colours well and balance the blocky colour expertly. I like her outfit the most because it has so many more elements in it that tie awesomely well together.

In summary, I think 2 is the most beautiful and 6 & 10 are the most cute. No 1 is just trying too hard and needs to get matching glasses or something.

>>8405213
None of these are great. I really hate the red thrown in on 2 but I feel her outfit is the most interesting.

>>8405353
>>8405356
>mfw openly hate all religion with utter vehemence to the power of a thousand suns.
>Think the Hijab looks fine.

And just to clarify, I don't care what people chose to believe. I wouldn't care if my sister turned to me tomorrow to say that we are all actually unicorns and its all been an elaborate lie. I would doubt her sanity but if she believes that then ok. What I do care about and absolutely detest is organised religion.

>>8404993
#6

>>8405213
#2

>>8405213
anyone got sauce on the middle's tights?

>>8405797
I think you replied to the wrong person.

>>8405813
They're socks and they're by Meta.

>>8405822
Yeah I did, sorry

>>8405311
The reason why you shouldn't bring your fetishes into lolita is that lolita isn't a sexual thing, and most people does not like when people make something sexual out if it.

>>8405959
And lolita isn't religious, so people shouldn't try to tie it into their religion.

>>8405262
gr8 b8 m8

>>8406165
Sexuality relates to individualism whereas religion relates to culture and collectivism. Sexuality is taboo still, religion is not, and it's oppressive to tell someone to keep their religion out of their public image, whereas it is NOT oppressive to tell someone to keep their fetishes out of the public image because they expose others to their fetishes who do not share the same sexuality and are therefor included by doing so. If you see a nun in public, you are not becoming Catholic by looking at her, but if you see an exhibitionist in public, then you are becoming a part of that person's personal fetish by having you experience/reaction get them off. Apples and oranges, here.

>>8406505
Wow. I just don't like my fashion being an "expression" of their cult. I feel the same way when feminists say that lolita is a feminist thing and how it's a expression of their subversion of the "male gaze". I just wish people would wear it as a fashion instead of publicly declaring it to be connected to their personal shit.

>>8406789
Back to /b/, edgy-chan

>>8406499
Not bait, just an honest opinion. Sorry if you're political correctness ruined your sense of logic

>>8406793
I just want the fashion to stay a fashion and not be tied to a political agenda.

>>8406789
It's not "your" fucking fashion; it's a fashion, and belongs just as much to anyone else who wears it as you.
If they want to incorporate it into their own look, then why does that bother you? It's not "your" look that's being fucked with.

>>8406804
My fashion as in I wear it and don't want to be associated with any sort of political agenda. They can wear it of course but lolita already has enough weird connotations in the public eye already

>>8406810
Don't worry, I don't believe that that one person who does Hijab out of all of the lolita in the world will make anyone think you have any political agenda. Same with those appropriating Catholic images; they all just come off as a themed costume and don't make anyone honestly believe there is religion tied in at all.

>>8406801
>political agenda
now I'm imagining lolitas in red coordinates with an elephant print and lolitas in blue coordinates with a donkey print arguing and throwing cupcakes and whacking each other with parasols. everyone wears those star clips. and the victorian-styled bonnets would be replaced with mob caps and ringlets. instead of AP bags, they carry one of those flag purses that betsey johnson came out with. and of course, cowgirl boots in coordinating colors. 'murca.

>>8407094
I would pay to see that

>>8405199
god please shut up

>>8407094

If someone doesn't organize this for Election Day, I will weep.

>>8405087
okay but the reason why you'll be labeled an islamophobe is because youre literally saying you dont want girls who wear the hijab to wear lolita. don't you think thats discriminatory? fashion is about sharing and mixing different cultures and such. if lolita was just an army of 5'3 thin girls with big hair and the perfect silhouette, that would just be creepy. try to be a little more open minded and let girls who are devout to their religion also participate in something they love and not be shit on by you like they are by almost everything else.
>ib4 im a tumblrina social justice warrior
but i am really tired of reading this bigoted bullshit on cgl. everyone has a right to dress in whatever they want

>>8410821
I think the worst part is seeing people say "I wish THEY would just stop wearing hijab in lolita"

There's like, one person who does it. Stop shitting over nothing.

>>8410821
>everyone has a right to dress in whatever they want
Doesn't mean anyone has to like it. I don't like it much either because the way most of them wear their hijab makes the outfit look unbalanced. If the hijab were more voluminous and detailed it would compensate for the lack of hair, but nobody wears it like that with lolita so all their heads look too small for the rest of their outfits.

>>8405311
>>8406165

I take a practical view on this.

Bringing fetishes into lolita usually has a negative impact on those not involved, resulting in horror stories such as getting creeped on by fetishists who don't know when to stop, meetups becoming a non-safe zone for underage girls, breeding itas because of fetishists who will throw on any cheap girly garment to feel like a sissy instead of girls who actually care about what they look like, bad fanfic because people are too busy trying to get themselves off to worry about grammar, comms getting a terrible rep and getting bashed on /cgl/ for either being full of itas or full of creeps, and so on.

In short, just general bad endings for everyone in the comm.


Hijabs in lolita though? First off, you can see them coming from miles and miles away. So basically they're your warning sign to run away if you don't want to be a part of their cult. Second, most hijab wearers can be gently bullied into caring about their coord, whereas fetishist couldn't bloody give a fuck how itatastic they look, so at least the hijabers will make an effort to look nice. And third, since we're in some anti-islamaphobe wave right now, you could always pull the islamaphobe card if people start making fun of lolitas wearing hijabs, which means if your comm/photo has a hijab-wearing lolita in it, by association you can pull the islamaphone card for yourself too. Just accuse anyone bashing your comm for being an islamaphobe and racist and watch the thread derail into politics trollbait.

So viewed like this, fetishists have no practical use, in fact they're downright harmful to the fashion. Hijabs? A lot of positives, and you can still avoid being in a photo with one because they're so visible.

Therefore, kick the fetishist out. The hijabbers can stay.

>>8411083
Tl; dr

>>8405213

The first girl. Not the greatest, tbh, but it's at least all light and pastel/ivory, and I really like what she has going on with the light mocha browns with her shoes and tights.

Jesus does the last rustle my petti. Picking different browns (? what I think is the bittersweet colorway almost looks black and really jarring) They do not go with that chocolate brown. Don't pretend ivory white chocolate on the skirt goes with stark white, plain tights, either.

Middle is awful for shoehorning red in with that awful unrelated beret. It's obviously just to tie in a really poor shoe choice when simple, brown shoes are oddly easier to find than wine.

>>8410835
Something like this?

>>8410821
^This.
Why not respect those in your community for loving the same thing you do than focusing on what makes them different from you?
Do you have issues with plus size girls who wear Lolita too?? Does that also not "please your aesthetic"?

Try living in Japan where you will be treated like a freak every day and maybe you will understand some of the hardships that hijabis face in the western world. :)

>>8413094
t u m b l r

>>8413094
ew

>>8403088
Including Bodyline, kek.

>>8403100
My Queen wore it best.

>>8413132
Pink looks better on that building.

>>8410785
>can't express an opinion
okay

>>8413094
>Do you have issues with plus size girls who wear Lolita too
Yes because nine times out of ten they don't look half as good as skinnier lolitas because they dont' put in the extra effort that's needed to make a fat girl look good.

>Try living in Japan where you will be treated like a freak every day and maybe you will understand some of the hardships that hijabis face in the western world. :)
You could also go back to tumblr and stay with your kind.

>>8413131
Girl's gotta start somewhere.

>>8407094
This is the best idea anyone on CGL has ever come up with.

>>8405029
could you do elizabeth too?

>>8410821
Oh, please. It's merely a visual preference. The hijab throws off the balance of the coord. Take your "omg youre a bigot!!" bullshit back to tumblr where it belongs.

>>8413094
I am actually a fatty chan and I don't give a shit if someone thinks I don't belong in lolita. That's fine, they are allowed to think that if they want to, just as I am allowed to have a preference for whether or not I like hijabs.

>>8402589
I've seen her model for ap before. Baby doesn't on her.

>>8413133
how dare you disrespect our queen

Who wore it better?

>>8413094
I don't get it. Lolita is just clothing. Sure it's mostly for tiny girls, but as long as you don't do replicas I won't hate you.

>>8416159
Oh god. Umm... if I imagine the second as a nymphet, larme-kei sexualized thing and not lolita, minus the headbow, I actually am okay with it.
The first just seems jarring since she looks so everyday and casual, then BAM, underwear. It looks like she unbuttoned her blouse and that's all that was under.

>>8416159
I like the one on the left, it looks more sultry, as if the cardigan accidentally became unbuttoned or something. Right is just absolute trash.

>>8416159
The right one looks straight up like a crack whore walking the streets. So I guess the left one.

>>8416159
Right. The cardigan makes left look like one of those exhibitionist flashers that immediately covers back up after the shoot, right is fully committed to baishun-kei.

>>8416159
What's going on

>>8416159
They're both trash

>>8403100
Bottom right blows everyone else out of the water. Top row, second from the left is my second favorite.
>>8404993
6 and 10 are weirdly alike, but they're my favorite here.
>>8405213
Meh. I feel like combined, there could be one really great co-ord here, but right now it's just three alright ones.
>>8416159
Dammit, anon. I guess if left closed the cardigan up, it could be a good co-ord.

>>8416159
I didn't realize they were the exact same bra until now.

>>8416159
I'm sorry but...I really like the right one, I always have. I like the colors and the silhouette and something about it just works for me. Maybe not as Lolita but...I have to say right.

>>8410821
But that's the point. We (well I at least) aren't saying they aren't allowed to wear hijabs. We're only saying that we don't like how it looks with lolita.
People should stop thinking that don't liking something equals hating, disproving or forbidding something.

Of course they're allowed to wear it, but that doesn't mean others aren't allowed to not to like the look. Some people also don't like crosses or other Christian symbols in lolita. And that's also totally fine.

>>8402562
Two Ball at Versailles coords posted pretty much at the same time on CoF.

>>8418524
Left. The one on the right has way too much gong on and that underskirt looks nasty.

>>8413133
are you blind!?

>>8413094
Damn, what is with /cgl/ these days? At least these tumblrinas are getting shot down in this thread but that's the first in a long time I've seen /cgl/ be good ol' /cgl/ when it comes to this bullshit. What happened, gulls?

>>8418524
There's no win here. They're both only okay and both kinda suck.

>>8418524
Left if she changed the cardigan thing to something else.

>>8418524

Left is the safe choice nd I like all the ivory. I just hate those needless gold tea parties here.

Right I like much more for having more elements to it. I don't think it totally pulled off anything it was trying to do, but I like the effort and the weird colors in it.

>>8418524
right is more interesting and creative and i like the pose, but the lighting and photo quality make it look shittier than it is

>>8418524
Right is my favorite. It looks like the dress fits her much better and the use of color makes it way more pleasant to look at. Left is boring, right is interested. Plus, fuck gold tea parties. So sick of seeing them in every goddamn coord nowadays.

>>8418636
***interesting