/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I'm a bit late to the party, but did anyone buy the Metamorphose Swan Garden special set in pink and can tell me if it really is as purple as it looks in the stock pictures? It's really been growing on me but I'm not sure about the colour.

To the anon looking for that Innocent World JSK, they didn't have it in Marui Annex. You may have a better chance in an actual IW store but I was only going to the department store to buy GLB from Kera seeing as my local magazine shop were going to be a few days late. I'd say order it online!

>>8354790
freakin' pissed, had an order from bodyline for this dress. also a pair of boots, ordered through rakuten. got an email saying they're shipping out. super happy. THEN THEY CANCELLED IT LIKE 5 MINS AGO wry. I don't even live in an english speaking country. I just want the discount because everything's cheaper on their jp site, wry mr. yan.

>>8354929
also I'm not even sure if they refunded my order, because I did it through paypal that's under someone else's name. I hope it did though. Just kind of bummed out about it.

Does anyone know anything about my-lolita-dress? I was told earlier (like last year) not to go near it because it's affiliated with Milanoo but a lot of people are saying that it's just a Taobao reseller. Is that true?

Also if you know of any trustworthy SS's or Taobao resellers that I should go to instead my-lolita-dress then would also be great.

>>8355006

It's a taobao reseller. Someone long ago hyped it up as yet another Milanoo and the confusion has stuck around.

Alternate taobao reseller: clobba (clobbaonline.com)

taobao ss: taobao thread: >>8348346
Stay away from yoybuy. Everybody else should be okay.


>>8354929

Whoa, that fabric is gorgeous.
If you didn't get your refund I'm pretty sure you can get the other person to file a claim. That's really sucky though of them to cancel though. Is the Japanese Bodyline rakuten Japan-only?

>>8354858
hope my fb friend doesn't mind me posting her picture. but she bought it at a con.

yeah it looks kind of purple like the stock image.

Hey gulls, I'm trying to plan a meet but this is my first time. I really would love to hear other people's ideas and opinions as I would like this to go as smoothly as possible.

I'm trying to host a picnic in a park. My idea was to have sort of a potluck thing - with people bringing their own lunches and then something to share (either desert or substantial food like sandwiches, pasta salad, etc). I would also ask people to bring large blankets or whatever to sit down on if they have them or at least a towel so they themselves will have something to sit on.

As the host, I was going to bring my food to share, one or two blankets, utensils, and a couple trash bags (dunno if there will be trashcans close by wherever we choose to sit). Does that sound fine? How should I do drinks? The park we will be at has some convenience stores and coffee shops near it, as well as some hot dog/pretzel stands selling drinks. I was thinking it would be easier for people to just bring and seek out their own drinks? I myself will have to commute into the city and to the park. I may see if I will have space to bring like, a jug of juice or something but will it be not cool if I tell people they're primarily in charge of their own drinks? Also, is there something else I'm not thinking about? Our group won't be that large, the park is fine with having people picnic in designated areas, so I don't need to make some sort of reservation or get a permit or whatever.

>>8355087
I feel like you should bring something at least, so I think maybe you should handle drinks since everyone else is going to bring all the other components of the picnic. Other things would be like plastic cups, napkins, plasticware (or silverware if you wanna be fancy), etc. Otherwise I think you're good unless you want to bring sunscreen or bug spray or something, which I don't think that would be a huge necessity since it's only May, early June.

>>8355087
It's up to you how you want to do the potluck, but I think people just bringing things to share should be okay unless there are people with allergies/other diet restrictions. One or two people could bring drinks and cups instead of food.

I think utensils (don't forget napkins!) and trash bags would be the best things to bring as the host. You can also think of a small game to play and maybe give out a small prize of candy/cute shit if you want.

>>8355087
When I do picnics I ask people to cover their own drinks and they usually bring plastic bottles. Having open cups around on lumpy ground near burando is an accident waiting to happen, and bugs and plant matter can fall in.

You also might want to switch from blankets to plastic tarps. They aren't as cute but any residual moisture on the ground will seep into the blanket immediately and make the bottom dirty. Alternatively you could do plastic sheet with blanket on top for added padding.

>>8355101
Yeah cups, plates, etc. were are included in the 'utensils' bit. I was thinking of bringing along some sunscreen to share, wasn't sure if it would be a good idea because I would be afraid someone would get in on their burando but it might be a good idea anyway.

>>8355107
A small game is a great idea. Actually, I might bring cards against humanity. (and let people bring other board games if they want as well?)

>>8355115
I totally wasn't even thinking about open cups on lumpy ground. So, people being in charge of their own drinks it is then. If I have the space I may see if I can bring some water bottles.
I bought some water resistant plastic-y 'blankets' on ebay actually! So I will have a couple of those, but probably not enough room for food and 10+ people to sit on. I'll make sure to mention those when asking people to bring their own blankets as well.

>>8355019
>rakuten boydline japan-only?
Well I'm not really sure if it's Japan only, that might be the reason why it got cancelled.. But that sucks, because the prices on the japanese rakuten are cheaper so I'm sad.

Where can I get a black chiffon blouse similar to this one in Haenuli's photo?

How stretchable are IW tights? Do you recommand them for fat legs?
My height is 5'3" if this helps.

>>8355344
Moi meme Moitie
Glitter Tale and The Floral Notebook both have similar ones or ones that could be custom ordered to have the same gathered sleeves.

When will moitie have their next sale on cdjapan? Their last one was at the beggining of december

>>8355445
why not ask cdJapan they do have a contact us e-mail

>>8355467
Because companies don't reveal stuff like that.
I should have worded it better an asked when they usually have their summer sale then.

This will be my first time wearing lolita to a con. Silly question, but where do you guys usually put your con badges so they're not clashing w/ your coord?

Any recommendations for good eyelash glue? I can't find any good glue where I live so I figured I might as well try it online, but I don't know which to get.

>>8355445
Probably in summer.

>>8355524
duo

>>8355552
look here >>8355470
I know it's in the summer. That's why I'm asking.

How did it go with Mirage Castle?
I lost it because I got greedy with the headdress. Extra seconds and lost it. I'm still annoyed about it.

Do you think AP will launch a pre-order like in Celestial?

>>8355582

Only if many people email in requesting it
Send your email now! "Would you please do made to order of Castle Mirage, it got pulled from my cart last second and I would love to order it still!" Would be fine.
I was going to email about a MTO but got an SS for dreamy planetarium instead

>>8355582
>>8355592
Speaking of Castle Mirage, how is the pricing on the second-hand market expected to be? Should I try to get it on APUSA or wait until its on second-hand? Will the scalping be too crazy at that point?

>>8355502
...in your purse...?

>>8355502
I know this probably sounds silly, but I usually wrap the lanyard around my wrist and wear it like a bracelet. It's an old habit.

>>8355942
The auctions I've seen are all stuck at retail. I try to never buy from apusa because of their exchange rate being a nightmare
>what would cost me $500 from Japan would cost $630 from USA in my currency.

As far as where the price will stick? Depends on if it gets a MTO. It'll only get more rare and hard to get from this point on if no mto

>>8355942
There are a few dresses and sets on YAJ and the prices are close to retail atm. If you can snag one close to retail, I'd say get it now before the prices shoot up like what happened with Dolly Cat and the berry prints.

Wtf is with this new argument that if the print is over 5 years old replicas are legal. The fuck? That can't be right.

Could I get some coord help? I'm doing a short-notice shoot in a 1500's church on friday, and I need to quickly get a coord together.
This is what I have so far, and I'm trying to think of a way to get more red into it. I'm also at a loss as to what to wear on my head. I was thinking something like a crown made from black lace and red flowers.
Also, I'm wear Litas. I love them. I'm going for a SLIGHT ero look, so I'm keeping them.

>>8356370
where did you read that?

>>8356376
Big Sisters of Lolita Fashion on Facebook. Another person already pointed out that that doesn't make sense.

>>8356371
This doesn't look like an ero kind of dress.

>>8356390
They way I'm planning on wearing it, with extreme pettis, make it shorter than average. Ero doesn't need ero-specific dresses.

>>8356370
Where is this? Link?

>>8356371
.....................................litas
though they go with the coord, everyone and their mother wears them, especially with gothic. 3edgy5me but they will look decent

I once had the thought of using real roses in my hair for a coordinate (like she did here), but I was immediately reminded of the time a stranger collapsed in front of me because she was deathly allergic to patchouli and someone wearing it had apparently brushed up against her (her SO was screaming that if anyone was wearing it to get away).
I don't know, maybe I'm being overly paranoid but it would be just my luck to sit next to someone with a severe allergy if I did something like this. What are your thoughts cgl?

>>8356371
The Litas will ruin a decent coord. Also theres nothing ero about this.

>>8356403
People seriously still wear them? But they're so outdated

>>8355402
Definitely wouldn't recommend for fat legs. I'm 5'1"/105 with slightly thick calves but overall slim legs and my Mucha tights are a bit difficult enough to get up all the way that I don't think a large girl could manage. They're similar to Verum's tights, if you've ever tried to wear those.

>>8356371
The Litas ruin it, but do what you want. Not sure why you even asked.

anyone else get a bit irritated when there's a girl in the comm with large breasts?

>>8356405
unrelated to your question but damn. her coords always look too busy and overcrowded for me. I'm not sure what it is here but something about it is just too much. Her outfits are always like this and it stinks cause I think she could have some really nice coords going if she just removed a couple items.

>>8356385
That's incredibly stupid. Copyright lasts decades and decades now. (Thanks, Disney.)

>>8356421
wut
why would you? if you're mad because she's stretching out muh burando I think you need to chill.

So IW blouses. I was pretty surprised to see S has 90cm bust and 70cm waist which doesn't sound small at all by Japanese standards. Is this correct? Will my 87 bust fit comfortably?

Forgive me for the stupid question, but are salopettes considered lolita or not? I've seen so many BtB that say they're not and so many people argue that they are, and I completely agree that brand =/= lolita, but I want to know what the common agreed opinion is. I know they don't have the standard shape, but neither does a lot of empire waist and tent dresses that have been trending.

Also sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask!

>>8356424
I think her OTT coords like this are good for a convention/photoshoot setting...this was her tea party coordinate that won best dressed iirc.

>>8356405
I wouldn't worry about real flowers. Perfume and smoke are much common triggers of asthma attacks.

So Misako is 33 and Midori is 30? What is this wizardry and how can I get in on it?

Have they ever shared tips etc on how they maintain their youthful appearance?

>inb4 be azn

>>8356438
Flat faces, makeup and flattering pictures.

>>8356435
From what I've seen it comes down to length being the issue that usually makes them problematic.

>>8356435
For me, it depends on:
1. The fullness of a skirt/how much poof can be achieved
2. how well the bodice fits. If the person wearing it can still achieve the overall lolita silhouette without looking like the Michelin Man crammed in some tiny overalls, it's a go for me.

>>8356434
3 cm of ease is cutting it really close for a button down blouse and lolita is meant to be worn loose. Look at IW's stock photos and how loose the blouses are on the models. I have an 83 cm bust and I don't generally wear a small.

>>8356435
Some salopettes qualify as lolita, others not so much. If it can't hold a petticoat, its not lolita. Example: Daydream Carnival vs Polkadot Chocolate.

>>8356438
It's nothing more than makeup, sunscreen, and childish clothing. They don't look haggard, but they don't look unbelievably young, either.

>>8356435
Just to confuse things further anon, I think the answer is honestly 'it depends' - some are clearly too short and casual looking whilst others more closely resemble a jsk and are labelled as 'lolita' by the brands that create them. Pic related is one such example.

How you wear them is also worth considering, also I personally think they look better on skinny, short girls although I'm sure there are exceptions. I often see them being worn by people that aren't able to wear them as they were intended to be worn and thus end up looking even less 'lolita-like'.

>>8356405
the roses in her plait look like they're wilting

>>8356438
Honestly, aside from makeup and flattering pictures, I think just genetics. I know this is gonna rustle some jimmies and I know this doesn't go for everyone, but a lot of asian people (and like, a lot of non-white people in general) tend to age nicely. My asian grandmother is 80 something years old but she looks about 50 or 60, it's kinda weird and I don't really understand it.

I would say in general just take care of your skin - use sunscreen, cleanse, moisturize, etc. you don't have to go crazy but if you find your skin looks to be aging faster than you want then really look into skin care to try and keep it at its best. The biggest thing though I think is flattering makeup and angles. Caked on makeup that accentuates wrinkles and taken from an angle with harsh lighting, for example, will do no one any good.

>>8356438
Is pic related them from way back? I'm pretty sure it's Misako but if it is Midori as well, it looks like she may have have some cosmetic treatments done too.

I think make-up and lighting styles make a big difference. I must admit however, I do like the 'rawness' of some of the old lolita bible pictures, I think there's a certain charm in them as well.

>>8356441
>>8356442
>>8356456
Thank you everyone! I'm interested in Infanta's Golden Circus salopette. My girlfriend has the shorts and vest/ going for boystyle and I wanted to be the girly match, but I kinda liked the salo more than the JSK's cut.

I'm short but a little chub (not boobloaf or tree trunk legs territory, but I'm working on losing a few pounds)

>>8356448
I actually really like Polkadot chocolate too but that one looked way too short to be lolita.

Thank you everyone!

>>8356467
I adore the awkward sort of cuteness in old school, even if it is clashy and borderline tacky sometimes
Pic related. According to the caption she is dressed in Pretty (aka AP but this was young AP so it was just "Pretty")

>>8356467

That is not Midori on the left.

>>8356473
That sounds absolutely adorable, anon

>>8356435
Honestly, it depends.

If you come to a meet looking like this, people are probably gonna hate it/CGL will make fun of you:
https://i.warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0082/24/1428235978246.jpg

If you come to a meet with a salopette styled like this, though, people prob won't really mind:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/3b756ceb358025514e110394fb36fd33/tumblr_myqxdgrE4U1r3o680o1_r1_1280.jpg

The difference between the first and second one as you can already guess is primarily the fit. On the first girl it's just awkward looking - bust doesn't quite fit correctly and it's just a little too short for her. Not sure if it can accomodate a petti or if she's actually wearing one, but that's another dealbreaker for some girls (they prefer if salo's can hold one). The coord itself, in my opinion, isn't too bad for a more ott, decora-leaning sweet coord but it just looks frumpy cause the fit is shit.
On the second girl the coord is very casual (which is what works best for salopettes) and it fits her. The length is a bit questionable as well as the silhouette (doesn't look like this would fit a petti) but again it's not a bad coord and is toned-down and casual, I think most people wouldn't mind this at a meet.

In general I think salopette's are better for casual, toned down, lolita inspired general j-fashion/cute outfits but if the fit is good you can definitely make it work I think, the biggest concern for most people is whether or not you can fit a petti to achieve the silhouette.

>>8356480

I loved those street snaps.

>>8356480
>>8356467

I feel like the 'rawness' is something lolita is missing these days. I know here in the US it's not really as much of a street fashion as it is/began as in Tokyo, but I feel like it has unnecessarily moved into photoshoot-ready, perfect glamour shots. Which isn't inherently bad, but I feel like we're all holding ourselves up to ridiculous standards. Like, wearing these super OTT coords all the time isn't really sustainable to me and seems a bit cumbersome when repeated on a regular, frequent basis.

>>8356487
Anyone know who it actually is? I must admit I think she looks a bit like Midori, but with a squarer jaw and wider nose (and obviously totally different make-up and styling).

>>8356514
yyyyeeesss

>>8356421
omfg anon
if that's all i have to do to irritate someone "in the comm", have large tits, well, i guess i'm fucking covered, who cares about being called an ita when i've got these?
LARGE TITS THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED WITHOUT BREAST REDUCTIONS, THE HORROR
>i'm sorry, i'm just over here laughing my ass off

>>8356516
Chikage Watanabe. She still models for GLB

>>8356480
I love AP's older stuff, especially when their collection was generally more classic looking than sweet.

I also adore ringlets, I wish decent wigs and hair extensions in this style were still easy to get hold of.

>>8356549
thank you anon, I can kinda remember her from brand ads etc now I think about it.

>>8356514
a lot of people feel this way, but how many make an effort to put themselves out there in non-glamorshot looks? how many who feel this way still bitch in ita/nitpick threads, reinforcing the matchy-matchy impractical photoshoot version of lolita?

>>8356567
She looks like that orange chick from Scooby Doo

>>8356463
This is a common belief, and I do think genetics is part of it on an individual rather than ethnic basis, but I suspect when it comes to Asian versus white aging cultural trends and practices among the middle class have a lot more to do with it. As far as I know, tanning has never been popular in Asia, while the older white demo spent a few decades baking in the sun. (As did Asian peasant farmers, who definitely don't look really youthful in older age.) Cosmetic treatments and skincare for women are a bigger deal culturally, too.

>>8356567
> how many make an effort to put themselves out there in non-glamorshot looks

I've been considering joining tumblr just to do this but I'm pretty much a lone lolita and a wuss to boot, without any real online presence.

As for bitching in ita/nitpick threads, although I avoid them on the whole, I think the only thing I've been guilty of there is 'white knighting' outfits I liked and otherwise keeping quiet.

yall are some straight up backwards ass bitches and a bunch of fuckin liars

> "I love oldschool!"
> some girl wears something akin to old school
> "Ew look at that ugly ass wig. That print so so fucking hideous! ITA AS HELL"

Please stop acting as if oldschool is anything other than ita now. No one wants these ugly ass gobelin prints like >>8356552. Just stop pretending please.

>>8356370
Hahahaha Bloodmeyer. Also every single one of her links absolutely refuted what she was saying. Why do people do that..."I'm right! I am! Here are links I haven't read to support my point!"

>>8356567
I mean, that's still included in what I was trying to say, especially when I say "holding ourselves up to ridiculous standards". We don't live in a perfect world where everybody has every single perfect accessory available to us, and so I find some of the concrit people give, especially on CGL, ridiculous. I remember when I finally went to my first meet that like, seeing everyone in person, nothing really mattered, we were just there and we looked cute. I remember later on seeing photos of some people and thinking "wow, why would they wear that bag?" and I think it's a lot easier to nitpick photos and such. I know I didn't outright state that in my post but that's kinda what I mean, like, people are forgetting how to dress comfortably or use what you have (in the case something is unavailable to you for some reason ie didn't come in the mail in time).
I feel like CGL is the worst about it because while nitpicks are nitpicks, people forget not every perfect item is available to us, and it seems like people on here get super ragey over tiny little nitpicks that aren't implemented. (And I know there's a difference between nitpicking and genuine concrit to improve overall coordination skills, some people just don't try at all)

>>8356578
That's true too, but I mean going back to my grandmother, like...there are women the same age who also have put importance into skincare and end up looking like, aged in a normal/understandable manner (I mean, I expect everyone whose 75 to have wrinkles and at least some saggy skin.) but there's people who have never done anything in their life or have done minimal stuff and still look pretty good. Maybe it depends on products, where you live, diet, habits, etc. But in terms of it being genetic I also mean some people just straight up are blessed with genetics that give them nice skin that ages better.

>>8356434
S fits me pretty perfectly at 85 cm bust so you might even want an M blouse (95 cm) for comfort.

>>8356514
Agreed. The link to that translation of Japanese lolitas on 2ch in the previous thread really hit on this subject as well.

>>8356585
>projecting

I'm kinda curious if anyone has legitimately bought from Milanoo recently for the hell of it, knowing that it's bad but just seeing what funny results you would get. Has anyone done this?

>>8356585
As much as a hive-mind made of shit and tears /cgl/ can seem sometimes, there are lots of people with differing opinions here and I doubt that the people bitching out the oldschool type coords in nitpick threads etc are necessarily the same people who say how much they love it.

No one wants gobelin prints? They do anon, they do. People will continue to like things you don't like, so you might as well save your energy and channel it into sucking it instead.

what sort of poof do victoriangirldress pettis give?
Am ordering them bc they're cheap and need them soon, help pls???

>>8356463
+1, it could be genetics
>tfw not even asian (not white either tho)
>tfw mistaken for a younger teenager when I'm in my late 20s
>ALL THE TIME
>no one ever suspects my real age

>>8355524
second for duo

>>8356421
why do you get irritated?

>>8356629
Nice a-line poof. I wear mine with my IW and Mary Magdalene A-line dresses and it's definitely enough.

>>8356405
That kind of stuff isnt your responsibility. You cant prepare for the chance that you will maybe meet someone with an allergy to something you have, and if someone has such a severe reaction to something commonly experienced when you go outside (such as flowers and prefume)..that is their problem to deal with. Not yours. It is also highly unlikely someone has a severe allergy like that and that you would meet them. It isnt like you would tell people to never real perfume.

>>8356458
At that point they likely were, not much you can do about that though. She likely took the pictures later in the day.

>>8356629
surprisingly nice a-line poof, but I've worn mine only 3 times and it seems like mine has kinda, died a litttle bit. there's still some poof in there but not as much as there was.
I've heard of people starching pettis, can I do that with the vgd ones to give them a bit more life again?

>>8356633
Sure you do, post pics or leave

>>8356649
Thank you
Is there any way to make a cupcake shape out of them? Ideally I'd order an actual cupcake one but time isn't permitting

>>8356633
Facial features play a role in it too, kinda - Misako has bigger eyes and a rounder face, which are usually associated with youthfulness. I don't think she looks like 12 year old or anything, but even though she's 33 she still looks like she's in her 20's to me, both skin and facial features in mind. Some people it's all in their skin - I've seen some people that looked way underage in their 20's in old photographs but now while in their 30's their skin started to change and they definitely start to look closer to their real age.

>>8356633
same. short skinnyfat caucasian with flat round unwrinkled face and acne. this flags me as a teenager to a lot of people.

i know seagulls hate when people mention it, but i know a lot of people IRL who get mistaken for being 10 or more years younger than they are. a big part of it for women is not wearing makeup or styling your hair, while for men it's being smooth-faced and expressive.

it's especially common among geeks who retain an uncynical or childlike attitude in addition to seldom seeing sunlight, not using beauty products, eating intelligently, etc. i think the bronzed, contoured, sexy looks that most adults adapt into age them horribly, to the point where teenagers start looking like 30 year olds and everyone expects 30 year olds to look even older.

>friend makes a reference i don't get
>"oh anon you're probably too young to remember that"
>i'm 5 years older than her

>>8356662
kek, nope.
it's true though, I have no reason to lie on 4chan about it. it's even worse at cons/when I'm in cosplay, i run into younger people all the time who don't suspect me to be as old as I am (and I don't suspect them to be as young as they are, either...)

what's better? Dear celine cupcake petti or Classical Puppets one? I want the most poof for my money :'(

>>8356704
>people still doubting CP's poof

>>8356737
well I'm going to doubt if there's reports that the quality has gone down recently, aren't I?

>>8356680
>geeks
>eating intelligently
On which planet?

Anyone have any worn pics of Angelic Pretty's Princess Tiara?

How much can I expect to pay for Canadian shipping with tracking?
It's for a jsk and I want it shipped to NC. Will it be over $30 easy?

>>8356840
If you want it tracked. Though it'll be more like $25 USD

>>8356405
Kano and Isobe picked this coord as best at the tea party

>>8356852
Alright, thanks for the info.

When searching for dream dresses (mostly AP and Meta dresses) on the secondhand Japanese websites, I check the following sites daily. Is there anything else I should be checking that isn't on this list?
>Mbok
>Yahoo Japan
>Closet Child
>Usagiyouhiten
>Maiden Clothing
>Violet Blue
>Wunderwelt
>Fril
>Mercari
>Fairy Angel
>Girly Cute
I think most of the important/frequently updated ones are here, but I keep feeling like maybe I'm missing something significant.

>>8356870
I also check Grand Bazaar, Tokyo Alice, Fururun, Lolita Desu, Tenshi Shop, and Mandarake from time to time.

Any advice getting rid of a stain like the one pictured? The seller had it dry cleaned and I don't think it's big enough to complain to her about but I haven't had any luck getting rid of it myself :( it seems like a pen mark?

>>8356405
If someone has such a deadly allergy they should be the responsible one and carry their epipen or their medical bracelet.

>>8356552
So many memories of lusting over those dresses. I remember loving the curtain op that model is wearing. I still sometimes get nostalgic for old school. It just looks like the perfect combo of trying and not trying.

Does anyone know where moss Marchen gets her crosses? The cross must have broken off of my rosary at some point because it's missing now. Pretty sad since she never restocks anymore.

>>8357237
maybe try contacting her for a replacement?

>>8357239
I may be wrong, but I'm assuming she'd charge a markup over just finding one on my own. Then I'd have to pay shipping. It'd probably end up being half the cost of the necklace at that point.

>>8357253
I mean, why not just contact her and ask for a quote then, or if she even will do it? the worst she can say is no or what she charges X amount that you don't want to pay. if she gives you a price you don't have to pay it, just say no thank you and you'll figure something else out.

>>8357237
where have you already looked?

>>8356870
Do you know a service that will buy from mercari?

>>8357275
Ebay, Amazon, and a Google search of several different terms. I don't really know what to call it. I've tried different combos of rosary, cross pendant, and cross cabochon with different descriptor words.

I think I will just ask her and see what she says.

>>8357329
God damn it. I just checked etsy and there's a ton for like $3. I feel dumb now

>>8356840

As a Canadian I always have to charge 25-35$ for tracking

>>8357146

Lol if I bought a dress that had that that wasn't mentioned I would complain for sure

>>8356405
I doubt real flowers could trigger a reaction like that because they are not very strongly scented, and people who are allergic to flowers are usually only allergic on contact. Just remove the pollen if you want to be super safe, I wouldn't worry about it too much

>>8356746
Get one at bodyline.

>>8357146
Try dabbing it lightly with rubbing alcohol to see if it comes out. I've used it before the remove stains from a red blouse and it should be ok on AP's fabric. I'd just test an area. I'm worried it would bleed out further though.

>>8357517
lolwut. i don't think i've ever seen anyone on cgl rec a bodyline petticoat. aren't they super shitty for the price?

>>8356840
>>8356852
>>8357340
Where the fuck are you guys paying for postage? I can ship a JSK with tracking for $15. If you print your own labels through Paypal it's cheaper, even moreso if you register as a small business, which is as easy as having a storenvy or ebay.

>>8357623
From Canada??

I shipped waist ties I forgot to send with a dress and that cost me $16 lmfao

>>8357712
Yeah. I usually charge $15 USD anytime I send anything 1 kg or less and it's always enough.

>>8357735
forgot image

>>8355592
Sending my email.
I sent one already, but I didn't know how to call the "made to order" request.

Thanks anon.

>>8355942
I've read everywhere people obsessing over that dress, and if you want the dark blue (as me), I bet they will call it "extra-rare" and ask insane amounts. Just look at Katarina's OP and JSK.

>>8356370

According to patent law (in my country at least), it should be 20 to 25 years, lol

>>8357737

Since shipping from this country is such a pain I usually just charge a flat rate and cover the rest. Just easier than explaining that "yes, that's what it will cost"

>>8356418
Thanks you. At least their socks are forgiving.

>>8355402
I'm 5'1.5" and pretty average/healthy ~110-115 pounds with stocky runners calves and slightly chubby thighs, and I haven't had a problem. I've only bought their ivory tights, though, so I don't know how darker ones would look.

>>8355524
Kiss is way better than duo and it's the cheapest you can get usually. It's ridiculous. It doesn't get crunchy feeling and it's so strong I've glued a piece back onto my shoe with it at a party once and it held for the rest of the night.
I hated duo though.

>>8357536
>>8357536
no they're really great

>>8357536
yh it was someone trying to troll me
like that japanese thread where the girls were being dicks and recommending bodyline to a n00b

>>8356662
Yep, I want to see pics of the people who claim this. I swear, most loltias think they look like kawaii ageless beings.. Clothing and attitude make you look younger/older more than your face. I know plenty of girls who don't look young but are always mistaken as a teen. That's because they dress like teens and act it too.

>>8356665
I've stacked a short halloween petti on top of mine and it achieves the cupcake shape but can look a bit lumpy if your skirt is thin or lightweight. Having an underskirt would probably solve that though.

Whats a good SS for instore shopping at Shinjuku? I know personalshopperJ but any others?

I fell in love with this Atelier Pierrot blouse but I would really like to know if there are similar models before I cave in and buy it for 15k yen. Interested in the neck shape mostly, princess sleeves are optional.

>>8356673
I'm 33 as well and get mistaken for mid twenties at the oldest when wearing more mature styles. I get early 20's if I'm in sweet. I probably get 26 if I'm not wearing makeup and everyday clothes. I've definitely aged over the years but it's not noticeable unless you've known me a very long time.

Basically drink a lot of water. Get plenty of rest, eat healthy, take good care of your skin, wear sunscreen, be active, and have a positive outlook. Attitude is everything. And for the love of god don't smoke, also watch the alcohol consumption.

i am looking to print some fabric but I don't know of any places besides spoonflower, does anyone knows any other store?

looking for something with sleeves this length but everything I can find is sold out or has large sweet collar, any suggestions appreciated

Could you guys help me identify this dress? I know it's Baby but tokyoalice isn't giving me much to work with

>>8358114
I have seen similar stuff from Jetj, and I think alice Auaa, but I dont think they are any cheaper. I think Rose melody once did a blouse with a similar neckline as well.

>>8358215
You are right, JetJ and Alice Auaa have similar blouses but they tend to be even more expensive. I just checked Clobba and they have two Rose Melody blouses which I really adore, they are like 100$ so I'll give it some thought but definitely what I was looking for, thank you!

>>8356614
>trusting Milanoo with your credit card details

>>8358188
check the custom fabric thread in the catalogue

>>8357146
as weird as this sounds, milk gets ink out if thats what it is, ive done it a bunch of times and it works better than stain removers if you just soak that area and lightly rub it every now and then. not sure if this will work if its already been drycleaned though

>see frustrated straight male bait thread
>don't respond
>bump several threads using info and pictures instead
>thread sinks quite low

my new policy is to bump jfash threads when bait threads happen. more content = less temptation to engage trolls.

also: if you don't post on daily_lolita, consider it. their tag system is excellent (except for using "kodona" instead of "boystyle" or "ouji") and a lot of lolitas will post several outfits at once. much more reliable than scrolling through tumblr tags.

Would people get offended if I made a pinup inspired lolita coord?
I don't mean
>tattoos
>cheap HT dress
>hooker heels
>~cleavage~
I mean
>brand dress with polka dot pattern
>red accents
>cute updo or curls
>modest accessorizing

???

>>8358497
the only way to know for sure is to try.

>>8358497
You will likely get a this is retro not lolita comment. But whatever, go for it.

I recently snagged something off of closet child. When should I expect to get the confirmation email saying the garment hasn't sold, and it's mine?

>>8358497

Not really. On /cgl/ you might get nitpicked with 'this is retro, not lolita' comments but segaull bitches be sandy.

>>8357828
When you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers.

>>8358509
did you pay for it?

i always pay for mine immediately and get a confirmation more or less immediately.

>>8356467
Misako might have gotten some work done on her nose and had the corners of her eyes extended.

Pretty sure she has had work done on her nose anyway even if this isn't a "before" photo.

>>8358462
This is a great approach and I'm going to join you in it, anon. We can battle the trolls of summer.

Also, daily_lolita as in the live journal community? It's still active? Crazy.

>>8358497
I'd go for it. I think most girls like pin up looks when they're classy and elegant, and it sounds like you'd be on track for that. Good luck.

>>8357838
I had people think I was the 15-year-old intern when I was a 27-year-old with a professional job and wearing a suit. This was obviously not an ~I'm so kawaii~ situation. All through my 20s I got reactions of genuine surprise at my age, and now that I'm in my 30s and look at old photos, I can recognize how young I really did look and how little I changed between teen years and 20s. I still get mistaken for being younger than I am, but now it's 27 or so, and I can tell I'm slowly getting visibly older.

>>8357761
Copyright and patent are totally different things.

>>8358736
I know a few people use daily_lolita still, but not anywhere close to enough people to get a lot of traffic if you care about that. I am also unsure if it is moderated anymore, which wont matter too much except for if you wanted to change some tags like >>8358462 mentioned.

How would this dress look on someone with an hourglass shape? I'm 90-74-99 and it's been a dream dress since I first got into lolita, but I have no idea how it'll look on me.

>>8358773
Do you have a high pitched voice?

>>8358544
Yeah I paid for it straight off, but other than the paypal confirmation I haven't gotten another email from them. Should I be worried?

Fantastic advice from the mentoring group as per usual.

>>8358958
Sigh. I don't like LFM's system but at least it produces better advice.

>>8357838
>I want to see pics of people who claim this!!
>I know people who experience this!!
So only seagulls are lying about it?

>>8358881
I don't want to bust your dreams Anon, but I'm not sure that that dress would be flattering on you. Full shirring looks like ass on just about everyone, and Baby is notoriously boob unfriendly. At your measurements, you might end up with sausage syndrome.

>>8358996
Their point is that the 'wow r u 17" comments aren't because they look eternally young because of their face, it's because of the way they dress and/or behave.

>>8359045
>itt people insisting people can't have naturally young looking faces even though genetics certainly do exist
it sure is summer in here.

>>8359069
stop derailing the thread with this age debate

>>8358505
>>8358497
i think the best way to avoid this is instead of using an OP, do a blouse and JSK combo, I think it will help differentiate between retro and lolita

>>8358497
I'm pretty sure it's been done successfully before. I mean, lots of AP dresses are already 50's inspired (Cinema Doll, Fantastic Dolly...) I think to keep it lolita you have to remember to still incorporate lolita elements like using a hairbow, or wristcuffs, OTKS.... whatever will keep it still looking like a pin-up inspired lolita coord.

I have an AATP rosary corset skirt and the boning is starting to wear dangerously through the bottom of the channels. How do I fix it before it's worse? Should I just take all the bones out?

Kinda annoyed AATP didn't file or trim the sharp corners of the bones before sticking them in.

>>8358958
>hell bunny
>loliable
Is this girl on crack? I used to own a few Hell Bunny dresses when I was in my edgydesu/rockabilly phase and NONE of them are loliable.

>>8359069
Yes they exist, it's just that people like to mention it where it isn't needed, and it's obvious humblebragging, which is annoying as fuck.

>>8359114
AatP bones are notorious for doing that, I ended up ripping the bones out of my Versailles Rose JSK as soon as I got it to keep them from destroying the fabric. IMHO you're better off removing the bones entirely. Depending on the damage you could put new bones in, or just leave them off.

Fuck AatP's boning, that stuff is satan himself.

>>8359114
It depends on how loose the bones are as it may not be worth it to take them out if they are still stuck in. Besides replacing the boning, you can reinforce the area that it is coming through.

Will Chibi Tenshi keep an eye on Japanese secondhand sales (including in store for stock that may not be online) for dresses/etc. that may not yet be available to buy, and purchase right away if they show up? I was wondering if anyone had good experiences doing this with her.

I have a black pair of really cute Louboutins that I want to wear with my all black gothic coords. If I post pictures online how big is the chance of people yelling "euuughhh change the shoes, the red doesn't go with the rest.. etc" ?

>>8359149
no not really, i dont believe she will do that
only reservation items, in store items at like btssb , AP etc she can call her local store but for second hand stuff no.

>>8359125
>>8359123

Thanks for the responses.
Only the corners of the bones are starting to peek through, I'd say a millimeter or two per corner per bone.

But I like spring steel better anyway so I think I'll take some measurements and order a few properly tipped stays to swap with since I'm worried the high waist part won't look right without structure.

With what should I reinforce the area? It's wearing through the outside of the garment so I don't think patches are the solution even if I did have matching fabric available, which I don't.

>>8359203
If you're going to use steel make bone casings out of coutil. Honestly though, I can't recommend using steel. Absolutely nothing, from the seams to the lacing, are meant to handle steel bones, so trying to tighten them would warp and wear the material of the skirt.

Once more though, I have to express my hatred for rigilene boning. Baby needs to find something that doesn't ruin their dresses.

>>8358907
Nope. I have a relatively round face and eyes and small nose and I'm somewhat small overall. Plus no tanning, alcohol, smoking, drugs, or sleep deprivation, and I stay hydrated. So it was a combination of simply having features that read young and not doing any of the common things that can shovel years onto your face.

>>8358922
It took them a couple days to get a confirmation email for my last order a couple weeks ago, I wouldn't worry anon

Does anyone know how often Meta's website restocks? I've never bought directly from their site before and I really want a new dress that recently sold out.

>>8359092
IMO it actually looks less lolita and more retro with blouse/skirt combo. I think that's why the western boring beginner coord of 'plain handmade cotton skirt and peter pan blouse, hair tossed back in a ponytail' has always bothered me so much.

>>8359189
Thanks for the info. Are there any specific shopping services that can do that, then?

>>8359337
you can ask them but i doubt they will.
It takes time and money to go check stock at some store, usually they only do online stuff. not even blog stuff.

>>8358497
here's one of my favorite coords that I think is the look you want to get at?

Gulls, help. It's picnic anon from earlier in the thread. I need a little guidance/to hear some people's second opinions.

I had a poll up asking people what dates they would like the picnic to be held, and the most popular date that has been picked falls on the day of the local pride parade and celebrations. The parade runs past the park we're having the picnic in. I feel awkward overriding the popular decision (though not everyone who has been invited to the event has voted), but my worry is the party atmosphere of pride being disruptive to the picnic? I don't think the parade here is as big as some of the other parades and events in the country, but I've heard things can get a little wild. My concern is things like parking and public transport being a little harder to navigate (the city it's in has shit parking, and the park itself has a garage but I'm worried it'll fill up from pride attendees) as well as even some rambunctious people fucking things up...I know it only takes a few 'bad apples' and I'm worried about like, unsealed body paint, sweaty people, silly string and confetti, and people spraying water getting shit on people's clothes or in the food, even though we would be choosing a place in the park away from the actual side of the street the parade will pass by. A block part will also be happening after the parade passes by.

I know I have to just choose a date as the hostess, and I have no problem picking a date some people may not want, I'm just not sure if I'm overthinking things and there actually is no issue here or what. I'm assuming some of the people that didn't vote/voice their opinion don't mind what the date will be either, just as long as they are told when it is. I guess I'm also worried about pissing off a shitload of people. This is my first time planning something so I don't want to fuck it up idk. sorry about my rambling at this point but yeah would like to hear what people unrelated to the even think.

>>8359362
oh that's super cute anon, I really like that bolero thing she's wearing.
related to this - how do people feel about going blouse-less as long as you have no cleavage showing and your arms are covered?

>>8359337
TokyoPirates used to do something like that with her wishlists but she's on hiatus all summer and I'm not sure she's doing that anymore.

>>8359386
Do you mean like a cardigan with no blouse? That's pretty common... I don't think anyone has an issue with that.

>>8359379
Make the responsible decision and override the vote to choose another date. For all the reasons you listed, having a tea party the same day as a parade is asking for trouble. Explain this, the same way you did to us, to the ladies attending the tea party, and you shouldn't have any trouble.

>>8359379
Do the people who voted know that the pride will be there at the same time? If so and they chose anyways, then they dont mind. It isnt like the parade goes into the park, although I would take note of the block party part.

I've been out of the lolita loop for a while, but am now looking for a few pieces, and was wondering if any anons could help?
I'm looking for borderline otome basics like peter pan collar cut sews(plain colours if possible?), plainish semi good quality satchel bag and if anyone knows of any good alice prints floating around
If such hand holding in inappropriate, I apologise. And I miss when I used to spend a lot of time browsing the loli and possessing encyclopaedic knowledge of every lolita item ever.

>>8359379
I would definitely tell them. There is a possibility some were aware and wanted it on this day so they could kill two birds with one stone.
But take caution because some could take offence a la "are you saying gay people are bad???????? HOMOPHOBIC TRANSMISOGYNIST DIE CIS SCUM"
Im GSM myself and I avoid pride events like the plague but some people can be very touchy about that kind of shit.

Ordered pic related earlier this month, been waiting for it to ship. AP USA sent an e-mail today saying that all the black JSKs from Shadow Dream Carnival are defective, so I can either pick a different color or get a refund. So mad.

>>8356421
a member in my comm busts the bus seams of almost all her burando. Marionette in the closet was the only one that made me even minorly butthurt

>>8359435
Can't you get it even though it's defect? It's probably just a small stupid thing like missing buttons or something

I'm curious, /cgl/- how do you guys feel about wearing the same coord more than once (as in, not just wearing the same dress/main piece more than once, but wearing the same exact outfit)? Do you re-wear coords all the time, or change the coord every time you wear the dress/main piece again? Do you think it's okay to re-wear coords, or is it tacky?

>>8359379
Forgot to mention in my post that I did make a comment in the event that I learned pride was the most voted-for day.

>>8359407
I only found out until after I put the poll up and a bunch of people voted for that date, just last night. I did make a post in the event along the lines of "oh hey guys, I just saw that pride is this day most people are voting for, but here are my concerns". Some people have seen my post and changed their vote, but either some people don't care or they did not see my post with the realization that pride is on the most voted-for day.

>>8359401
Yeah I definitely will. 2 people expressed that they personally didn't mind which is why I was a little unsure but I guess at the end of the day it's still me that makes the decision.

>>8359427
I was a little worried about people misconstruing that as well. As far as I'm concerned there's no one who would think that that is attending but perhaps I will add that in as a PS.

>>8359439
They didn't give me the option, so I don't know. They didn't even say what the defect was.

>>8359440
i dont care if others wear the same outfit. i think nothing of it. although i try to avoid wearing same exact outfits as much as possible myself.

>>8358522
well if you know the answer then answer it
much more effective than being a dick, but whatever
you're why people complain that cgl is full of bait

>>8359435
wowwww, and here I was thinking of getting the black JSK. damn, guess that'll just make the price for them go up.

>>8359440
I think it depends. It's pretty weird if you've been to 3 meets in a row and you've been wearing the same outfit this whole time. I don't mind seeing people wear the same coord over again, sometimes you just really like a coord or you're still building up your wardrobe and only have one set of items that matches your main piece. I think if you're doing it frequently though (again, every single meet, or every other meet) you should figure something else out. Otherwise, imo I think it's completely reasonable to wear the same coord again. I did it recently, but no one from the original meet I wrote it to the first time was at this one, and I did change a few accessories out.

>>8358958
It's faerydragonet. Need I say more?

>>8359424
It's hard to recommend things when people might not have the same taste as you, anon. You'll just have to go back to browsing secondhand sites. Looking up the brands you used to know/like is the best way to look for new items that were released in your absence, and take note on anything that catches your eye.

>>8359475
That Arden chick is nearly as bad. She just told someone to slap and underskirt under a salopette that will be 10cm too short on this chick. Really? Ugh. Not to mention there are no pictures of her in lolita anywhere. Might be another case of "see I know everything without owning a dress!!"

Do you guys have any favorite lolita-related games/apps? Like dress-up games and etc?

>>8359447
welp, if anyone cares, it seemed like a good of chunk of people didn't mind the parade too much. I'm still kind of worried tbh but I decided to stay with the date of the pride parade and just change the location to a park that the parade won't be passing right through.

If any half-naked gay man with body paint or stupid teenagers with confetti or silly string or some shit get crap on my dress I'm gonna kick some ass.

>>8359337
Takoyaki or whatever do that, I'm pretty sure.

Someone in tubbers sales wants to sell a modified 120cm bust dream sky for $550

Is this the usual price for something like that??

>>8359934
uhhh what? that seems a little excessive especially for a modified piece... I thought the general rule was modification may not necessarily affect how sellable it is, but will definitely bring the secondhand price down. she only has a barette and there are some full sets that have been priced $50-100 lower than that. if you search dream sky on LM there's a girl below her selling a JSK full set for $140 less.

>>8359737
I found pics of her from 2008. She was overweight Asian then and I'm sure she still is.

>>8359884
I think it should be fine! You've done all you can to tell everyone the situation and have been considerate of feelings so as far as I can tell it's being planned well!

>>8359934
>tubbers
wha?

>>8359957
I'm guessing you mean 410$

>>8359440
I have a go-to coord of a skirt and cutsew where I just change up the accessories, but it still looks virtually identical everytime. This is for everyday wear though, not meet ups, but yeah I don't think it matters. If anyone gets butthurt that's their problem, not yours. I like having a go-to outfit that's comfortable and cute.

>>8359440
I have a few items where I can only coordinate it in a limited number of ways and just haven't gotten around to buying more to coordinate with that particular main piece. Most everything else I own can be coorded in numerous ways. It's just a matter of expanding my tops/sock/shoe/bag/accessories. I basically had a super duper sweet wardrobe and then went to a darker pallete of sweet and some classic and just haven't gotten around to building up areas that need it yet.

>>8360016
no, I said the other girl was selling it for $140 LESS than the price the one chick is selling it for. her price is $410 indeed, but 550-410=140. understand what I was saying?

Are there any lolitas/brolitas or people into jfash out there who wear female designed clothing but have no boobs at all? Does anyone have pictures of what this might look like?
I'm worried it would look awkward.

>>8360038
This is exactly me! All my blouses are really sweet so my skirt coords with my nonsweet coords feel off. The only blouse that isn't so sweet is sheer and I only have 3 nonsweet items and I don't feel like wearing the sweet ones anymore (waiting for a swapmeet to unload my shit so theyre still hanging around)

Speaking of, is there any way to wear a sheer blouse safely? Or should I not even attempt it...

>>8360052
just wear a tank top underneath? if you're wearing a skirt you could also wear a vest. if you're wearing a JSK no one is going to see your bra or anything like that, though you may need to adjust if the back dips farther down than your bra and it's visible that way, but again just get a camisole/tank top

>>8360045
Anon clearly understood you, and was correct. calm down.

>>8359866
Line Play is my fav. Hooked on Fruit Monsters, haha

>>8360080
sorry, I didn't mean for that to come off as angry, I just meant to emphasize. I didn't see it that way because the anon said "don't you mean ___?" which to me meant, "don't you mean $410, instead of $140?" don't really see how anon's comment shows that they understood me, it sounds like they misinterpreted what I wrote.

I'm a noob.
I have the impression that AP has been restocking Castle Mirage during the night because the colourways in the prontpage have been changing.
Anyone has an idea of this? If they do restock, when does this usually happen? at 12 AM?

>>8360441
>restocking
that's kawaii, anon.

>>8355028
You should have blanked out her face if you posted her without knowing!

>>8360049
Why?

Can anyone recommend a blog, page, or something that will kep me up to date with Q-Pot's releases? I'm dying over several of their seashell pieces and I don't wanna miss out on them

>>8359173
>Imagine people bitching about not matching the soles of your shoes with the rest of your coord.
Yes, this is how retarded it sounds.

>>8359282
You can send them an email to check if they still have the dress left in a shop.
Meta's customer service is very friendly and eager to help.

>>8359282

You might as well send in an email order. They will actually check stock in their stores for you and sell it to you if they have it.

>>8360533
This. Meta's customer service is the best

>>8359449
Ask what the defect it, maybe ask for a partial refund if it's not much hassel, you could get it fixed if its something very minor.

>>8360621
Sounds like it's a quality control issue, recalling an entire colorway of a series is pretty drastic for AP so I seriously doubt anon will be able to receive the dress.

>>8360625

My friend ordered the black version and according to her it's at Tenso. There is also a worn pic in the previous lolita general >>8351287 .

So whatever is happpening, it's not affecting the "entire colourway" of the series, the ones from the Japanese shop were not recalled or defective.

I have no idea what AP USA is up to.

>>8360494
That bag has been released for a while (it came as a mook gift I'm pretty sure). No help on anything else sorry.

>>8360662
The email screen shot says the AP USA batch specifically.

>>8360441
The online shop does restock if the release didn't sell out in store.

>>8360677

Yes, but I responded specifically to a comment that used the words "entire colourway" and "AP" instead of specifying "black colourway from only AP USA". The comment further speculated "quality control issues", which would implied factory-wide problems.

I wanted to point out that the Japanese side has not faced any recalls for the black colourway, so whatever is happening, AP is definitely not "recalling an entire colorway".

As for "quality control issues", what are the chances this only affects AP USA's batch and the entire Japanese batch is completely problem-free? So yeah, I don't think this is the reason either.

I just realised my wording can be misconstrued as AP USA being up to hijinks, which is my fault. I meant to say I do not know what is up with AP USA, or what has happened at AP USA.

>>8360712
No need go get so defensive. I doubt the other poster meant all of AP's black stock either.

>>8360716

Do I come acrosss as defensive? From my viewpoint, I saw someone make a sweeping statement I disagreed with, so I explained why I disagreed with it. Then someone thought I was replying to a different comment, so I clarified that too.

It's not like I have to be angry to explain why I don't agree with someone.

>>8359362
No-one has ever had an issue with that.

>>8360682
You rise my hopes.
But, when? is there any specific time at the day when they will decide to do it? or is just whenever they want and my dreams are crushed?

>>8359440
I have favourite coordinates that I will wear again and again because I like the outfit and it's easy, but this is for everyday wear not meetups. I try not to wear the same outfit to a meet twice, or at least not with the same comm. I have two neighbouring comms and in the past I have worn outfits I've worn to an event with one to an event with another, because apart from me and two other girls there's basically no overlap with the membership so no-one else will notice. No-one at the second meet had been at the first so it didn't matter. Another time I was asked to represent a particular substyle at a fashion show panel thing, and because I only had one outfit in that substyle I ended up wearing it twice even though I'd worn it to a meet before.

Generally I do try to avoid repeating (partly because I only have a scrappy cell phone camera at home so I rely on meet up pics for good shots of my coordinates), but I don't lose sleep over wearing the same outfit twice, nor do I prefer to coordinate a dress in a way that's different to last time but I don't think works so well than a way that looks great but I've done before.

>>8359440
Remember when this was a street fashion?

has anyone seen that person "von grim" making dumb comments on some of the lolita updates posts?

>i mad bc someone on the internet is being stupid

>>8360792
>Do I come acrosss as defensive?

Yes

>>8359173
When people start worrying about shit like this, it makes me think the matchy matchy thing has gone too far in the fashion.

>>8360969
How often would someone wearing it as a "street fashion" wear an outfit? Again and again as a uniform or constantly changing and innovating?

>>8360990
Street fashion or daily fashion doesn't mean it's not innovative. It just means you wear it every day or extremely regularly and not as a special occasion where you show of your latest purchase to a bunch of ladies at a tea party.

>>8359173

this reminds me of how on here recently I saw someone say something about they were worried about getting a baby umbrella/parasol because the logo wasn't going to go with their coord...........

does anyone else think that the prevalence of the matchy-matchiness is because people are afraid of what people will think/say/do online? i think it's somewhat of a valid worry but some of the things people are worried about are such insignificant things that if anyone else complained about them, the person complaining just looks like someone who is constantly searching for things to be mad about.

also,
>>8360969
>Remember when this was a street fashion?

very, very related to this post.

>>8360990
Pretty frequently. I focus on quality in clothes, bags, and shoes rather than quantity. I don't own such an overwhelming amount of clothing that I can coordinate different pieces two dozen different ways, and I also prefer a level of wearability that doesn't lend itself to over-accessorizing.

>>8360980

Ah, my apologies then.

>>8361009
>does anyone else think that the prevalence of the matchy-matchiness is because people are afraid of what people will think/say/do online?
I think this definitely has a big part in it, as well as the fact that lolita is seen as "special occasion clothing" by many people. If you're only ever wearing it to big meetups and events where you know there will be cameras and other beautifully dressed people knowledgeable of the fashion, then I think there's much more pressure to be perfectly coordinated.

I'm guilty of this to a certain extent; I'm consciously trying to relax more and put my own style into my outfits rather than trying to be a "model" lolita.

>>8360494
not sure how up-to-date it is, but they've a facebook page?

I was wondering if you could help me anons, this is a bit of an odd request but does anyone know of lolitas in horror movies or horror movies that feature characters that could be considered fitting to the lolita aesthetic - dolls, Victorian children's clothing etc?

I'm going to a 'Horror Movie' themed event and as usual, love any excuse to wear lolita fashion as I don't wear it as much as I'd like these days (for a bunch of tedious reasons).

I'm familiar with pic related but I'm probably gonna pass on that one. Thanks in advance!

What SS are people using for fril.jp? Found some cute stuff I'd like but I remember CT saying she didn't use apps.

>>8361334
Yeah fril and mercari. I can't find someone that will use them!

Okay I don't know if this is the right thread for it but I bought something on a whim a while back, never wore it and it's sitting in my closet collecting dust ever since. Is this worth reselling or nah? I'm not even into lolita, feel like it's super ita and just want it gone.
>Mfw zipper was broken in the first place
Ahh China quality.

>>8361340
Sorry anon, but I honestly don't feel like there's any way to sell this dress, at least not as lolita. I think your best bet is finding out if some ~kawaii gothic lolita ~ anime girl has a costume similar to this, and then sell it as a cosplay of her.

>>8361334
Chibitenshi does use Fril now. She doesn't use Mercari because she can't yet, but seems to be aiming for that in the future too.

>>8361412
Wow really? I've sent her off an email, a bunch of my dream items are on it. Thanks!

>>8361498
No problem. It was mentioned before a few other times too, actually, but I guess it can be easily overlooked.

>>8361340
Best bet would be to stick it on ebay with a 0.99 starting price labelled as something like 'kawaii lolita Japan cute maid lace cosplay' and then see how it goes. I've done similar before and the item ended up going for far more than expected, to the point where I almost felt guilty.

No guarantee though, depends who's around to see it at the time it's active. It's no great loss if it ends up going for peanuts and you may just well make someone's super kawaii uggu desu dreams come true in the process.

>>8358881
I have this dress in a few colourways. Full shirring gets bad press but if you wear a cardigan then it looks fine! I'd say buy it because if it looks terrible you can easily resell it on the plus size sales, I might even buy it from you

>>8360990
Well if the Harajuku fashion walks are any indication, Harajuku-kei people wear the same outfit all the time

Anyone else see this insanely whiny tumblr post?
1/2

>>8361853
2/2
>being that desperate for asspats

>>8361858
>>8361853

>>8361858
idk, this is just making me shake my head in pity more than anything. This girl clearly needs to re-evaluate herself, see a psychiatrist, possibly get some medication for depression, and work on bettering herself, because if she keeps spiraling down this road of WOE IS ME I HATE MYSELF, she'll never get better.

>>8361853
>>8361858
jesus, i'm not sure if i feel bad because she has self-esteem issues or if don't because apparently all she wants are asspats and compliments.

i know compliments are great and all but that's not the focus of the fashion here...are you dressing up because you like these clothes or just for recognition? and it's one thing if you have self-esteem issues and compliments help you feel better but if you have that big of a problem with self-esteem, i think you need to find a different way to help work through that problem if not being told you look good constantly is gonna make that worse.

like i wish i could feel sympathetic but i don't because this whole thing is just her whining bc no one tells her she's pretty enough times in the day.

>>8361853
She posted a similar thing on fb with a link to the tumblr post. It is very attention seeking.

>>8361853
>go on her blog to see if she got any responses
>see pic related
>KEK

>>8361894
fuck dropped my pic.

>>8361853
>>8361858
The second part in particular is sad, namely because she admits that evaluating her worth based on praise about her looks -is- really fucking stupid...but it doesn't stop her from feeling that way.

I can relate. There have been times when I secretly thought I was shitty because I didn't meet someone else's standards. Then again, contrary to popular belief, even models are criticized for their looks. Criticism for how women are -supposed- to look is everywhere. It's better these days to accept that not all women are going to fall perfectly into a beauty standard, and that's okay. As long as someone maintains personal hygiene and doesn't look unkept, there are other ways to be beautiful; not to sound too tumblr, but what about a good sense of humor or a well-read intellect?
It's really a shame that the only way some women have learned to see beauty is purely based on their or someone else's physicality. I can see the damage it is doing...

>>8361853
>>8361858
This is a new level of attention seeking. The worst is her including pictures of herself so people will call her pretty...

>>8361908
You'd sound less tumblr if you mentioned that everyone in society is held up to standards.

>>8361858
>>8361853
>mfw this girl is in my comm

>>8361912
okay.....but like, she's specifically talking about girls here and the person in the post is a chick, that anon is obviously a girl as well. dont really know whats wrong with specifically talking about a group in particular - she never even said it was only women.

>>8361919
>realistic looking boobs in an anime
w-what

>>8361912
I did, actually, hence my mention of how even models are criticized. Specifically, you cant deny there is a particular standard that focuses on women having to be physically "beautiful." Whether that's through "curves," thigh gap, big boobs, or fat acceptance. The focus is too much on beauty--that's including both genders, btw.

>>8361919
Is she this whiny in person?

>>8361853
>tfw she has two bride of death's and isn't ugly, therefore you can not feel sorry her.

She isn't an anorexia-chan but is this really what is seen as fat? She really need some perspective since lolita seems less like something she does because she loves it, but more something she hoped would get her attention.

saw this while going through the lolita fashion tag on tumblr. presented without comment

>>8362064
ew

>>8362064
:3

offense taken
dunno why you would wear sugar skull makeup in the middle of May with sweet lolita

>>8361853
Don't know and don't care what she looks like, but if I'd been working to improve mmakeup skills and posing ability for SIX YEARS and had made absolutely no improvement I would be asking for advice from other sources--how is that even possible? Adding that in just makes me think she needs to get over herself and either accept where she's at or make an honest effort to improve--she sounds like a self-pitying quitter.

>>8362064
Although this comes across as a bit obnoxious, she does have a point - it is possible for something to be completely lolita without a petticoat, a few of the most iconic images in lolita fashion history have depicted lolita without a petticoat.

fyeahlolita at blogspot has an excellent article named 'Silhouette vs. Aesthetic: What makes Lolita "Lolita"?' on this whole matter and I think it makes many interesting points in a far more balanced and reasoned way than a lot of related articles and comments I see elsewhere.

>>8362064
I can't believe how dumb people are
I started typing out a response to her but shes probably too stupid to understand anything

>>8361265
The fatal frame movie has dresses from BTSSB in it if that helps

>>8358198
The blouse on the right is on Lacemarket right now. I think there are actually three of them.

>>8362133
I see your point, but said iconic images are all from the early 2000s, when lolita as a style hadn't matured yet.
Modern lolita does require a petticoat. It doesn't have to be exorbiantly fluffy, but it's still one of the defining characteristics of the fashion.
Pic unrelated, just trying to break up the blocks of text in this thread + I like this coord.

>>8362064
No, it's lolita, just bad lolita.

>>8361858
>It isn't about a contest, it's about MY life

Please tell me she tagged this #lolitafashion #angelicpretty because LEL

>>8361946
Sometimes? She has some issues with her heritage living in Quebec that she brings up. Most of her FB is whining though every day.

>>8362264
I still believe there are exceptions, notably dependent on the cut of the jsk or OP. Lolita style may have changed over the years but lolita style was already arguably fully formed by the early 2000s compared to the proto-lolita looks of the 90s. It may have changed significantly over the years, but the looks associated with 00s lolita have been branded 'traditional lolita' in Japan and are still frequently worn, and still very much a part of the greater umbrella of lolita fashion (rather than viewed as a relic of the past or something underdeveloped or outmoded).

I would also say that there has been what appears to be a increasing divergence between the aesthetic standards of Japanese and non-Japanese (especially western lolitas). Japanese lolitas tend to be nowhere near as strict in their definitions, not to mention many lolitas go about their day not wearing petticoats or extremely minimal ones and would absolutely still be considered 'proper' or 'real' lolitas by Japanese lolita fashion standards. The standards in Japan are more to do with what an individual thinks is most appropriate for the occasion; whether it's casual, for a party, a photoshoot or even if it's likely to inconvenience others on public transport and in public spaces etc.

If you flick through Japanese magazines featuring lolita fashion, even some of the brand ads show no or minimal petticoat poof, especially when depicting cuts aimed at daily wear.

I wouldn't consider any of the lolitas or lolita clothing in pic related 'not lolita' for instance, simply because of the apparent lack of, or minimal petticoat; both practical and aesthetic decisions have likely been made here.

>>8362264
I still believe there are exceptions, notably dependent on the cut of the jsk or OP. Lolita style may have changed over the years but lolita style was already arguably fully formed by the early 2000s compared to the proto-lolita looks of the 90s. It may have changed significantly over the years, but the looks associated with 00s lolita have been branded 'traditional lolita' in Japan, are frequently worn, and still very much a part of the greater umbrella of lolita fashion (rather than viewed as a relic of the past or something underdeveloped or outmoded).

I would also say there appears to be increasing divergence between the aesthetic standards of Japanese and non-Japanese (especially western lolitas). Japanese lolitas tend to be nowhere near as strict in their definitions, not to mention many lolitas go about their day not wearing petticoats or extremely minimal ones and would absolutely still be considered 'proper' or 'real' lolitas by Japanese lolita fashion standards. The standards in Japan are more to do with what an individual thinks is most appropriate for the occasion; whether it's casual, for a party, a photoshoot or even if it's likely to inconvenience others on public transport and in public spaces etc.

If you flick through Japanese magazines featuring lolita fashion, even some of the brand ads show no or minimal petticoat poof, especially when depicting cuts aimed at daily wear.

I wouldn't consider any of the lolitas or lolita clothing in pic related 'not lolita' for instance, simply because of the apparent lack of, or minimal petticoat; both practical and aesthetic decisions have likely been made here.

>>8362602
But all the looks you posted have some degree of poof. What I was trying to convey (though I did it poorly) is that some poof is required, even if it's minimal. No petticoat still looks noticeably different from a "daily wear" type petticoat.

>>8362636
A number of these honestly have no petticoat at all, it's especially obvious in the larger versions. I think the point is though, the overall attention to the outfit and a good sense for the 'lolita fashion aesthetic' is what's key here and a lack of petti isn't necessarily going to instantly stop an outfit from being lolita and / or make it bad.

Lolita isn't easily defined by a few descriptive words, a one off article or even an in-depth youtube video etc. Its aesthetic needs to be understood over time, by observation and by digesting a variety of sources.

It has even been suggested that lolita fashion sense is acquired by osmosis and I think this is probably true - if it was that simple people wouldn't spend months or even years trying to get it 'right'. With this in mind, I would at least agree that saying 'a petticoat is optional' is a bad piece of advice to give a beginner, or even someone still feeling a little unsure about the defining qualities of the fashion.

Does a lolita outfit have to feature a petticoat absolutely without exception? - No. Is it usually a good idea and / or a more desirable aesthetic ideal in most circumstances (with the exception of perhaps very specific cuts such as the traditional babydolls)? - Yes.

>>8360494
Their instagram is probably best

>>8362133
>>8362064


So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the 'rule' for this only really exists because of people like her.

Noobs tend to think lolita is free-for-all and so I feel like it's a reaction of seasoned lolitas to try to preserve the style, petti included. I think the idea is that if we're more lax on what lolita is then it will become something else.

Everyone knows that no petti doesn't automatically stop the outfit from being lolita, however a petti is still pretty important, more to the dresses themselves. It's pretty clear that the dresses need pettis otherwise they'll look sad and limp.

This is just what I feel the reasoning is so take it as you will.

>>8362701
Very well said, anon. I agree with everything you've said here. It really is difficult to put into words/explain if people don't get it because something like that can't be quantified or indisputably proven, as much as the western community has tried to make a 100% accurate formula for it. Fashion just doesn't work that way. But of course as with any creative area, it's always going to be varying levels of subjective.

>>8363325
>Everyone knows that no petti doesn't automatically stop the outfit from being lolita
Given some of the replies we always get to these discussions, though, I don't think everyone does.