/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8344610
What am I reading...
Is this some tumblr shit cause if it is go to internet aristocrat.

Literally nobody cares about this shit except Western people.

>>8344626

>Literally nobody cares about this shit except Western people.

>Not /cgl/ but are there JAPANESE SJWs complaining about Kirino Mosaic

>Japanese

Good reading comprehension.

>>8344620
Lolita isn't really part of a culture. Yeah, it's huge in Japan but it's not part of their history and Lolita brands are willing to open up shop overseas. Lolita =/= Cultural Appropriation

>>8344610
>japanese sjws
my fucking sides are in orbit. 4000 keks to you!

>>8344632
>are there
not there are. Fucking kek. Move along.

>>8344610
>Japanese SJWs
Are there? I've always wondered if this western "PC" bullshit happens in other countries and we are just unaware of it because we don't speak their language and it's generally minority groups doing it (so you don't hear about it on the news).

>>8344633
No, because Lolita styles are based on Western fashions, could someone say the Japanese are culturally appropriating European...culture? Fashion? I don't know, I'm not sure you're allowed to call what white people have "culture" anymore.

>>8344729
That's what I wonder.

Cultural appropriaton doesn't exist. The only threat to cultures is them being forgotten or destroyed entirely, spreading a culture is only positive. All cultures are capable of influencing any other culture they come into contact with; its not appropriaton, it's cross-pollination.

>>8344610
There are no such things as Japanese sjws, only western sjws and social justice weeaboos that pretend to be Japanese.

If you want proof of this, look at the situation with Avril Lavigne's Hello Kitty song.

Japanese girls loved it because it was one of their favorite overseas pop stars acknowledging them as fans, but because western sjws didn't like how Avril did the song they started calling it "racist" and "offensive to Japanese people", none of which was true.

So learn to grow a spine and grow the fuck up. Fucking summerfags.

>>8344633
like if you wanna get historical and SJW-y, white people kinda forced japanese people to stop wearing kimono and start wearing western clothes after Japan opened up their ports.

>>8344783
A+ opinion, I agree with this. Earth is just one giant cultural melting pot~

>>8344632
>Not /cgl/ but are there JAPANESE SJWs complaining about Kirino Mosaic
Holy shit link to these? I wanna read it.

>>8344896
>but are there JAPANESE SJWs complaining about Kirino Mosaic
>are there

I think Op wants to know as well anon.

>>8344785
The issue is for the immigrants or minority Japanese-Americans. Japanese in Japan find it cute and funny. Japanese in America fear that people will go "hello kitty you SO PRETTY Y U NO DRESS LIKE A QT AZZN GRRRL U DUMDUM U R NOT KAWAII Y U NO BE LIKE A HARAJOOOKOOO FAIRY KEI CUPCAKE LAYDEEEE???????"
It's not so much that it hurts the Japanese people, but immigrants generally try to break expectations of their home countries culture because they don't want people to think (in this case) that they go around bowing and wearing kimonos/kawaii shit all of the time. When most examples of media give this impression of a stereotyped culture - even if people are aware it is a joke - it can be very irritating for immigrants because we have to try and explain it all away.
You will see that most race issue-related sjws are immigrants who live in other countries from their original and are minorities. This is because the issues effect them in ways that someone living in the country will not see.

Maybe they don't realise this themselves, but it is the base reason for most of them.

>>8344783
+1

SJWs go fuck yourselves.

>>8344922
That's not how that works at all. Japanese people specifically, no matter where they move to have a ton of nationalism and pride for Japan. Also are you trying to pretend to be a Japanese immigrant or are you just meaning immigrants in general? My grandmother is a 1st generation Japanese immigrant, I've worked with many 1st generation Japanese immigrants and all of them still hold Japan very dear to them, most of them come here for education reasons since it's really strict in Japan and US or Canadian colleges have high standing in Asia. Others move here because non-Japanese countries are exciting and exotic to them. A very very small minority probably wants to move to get away from the culture, it's not some shithole like Latvia or something. Even I was taught to feel pride for my Japanese side.

Most SJWs aren't minorities at all, let alone those who care about race related issues. It's just a bunch of white girls bawwing about shit they don't understand.

>>8344610
that link case is so fucking terrifying

sage for ot

>>8344796
I hate this kind of logic that SJW's pull out of their asses to try to 'win' an argument. Like yeah, maybe that did happen and people like to blame whitey for everything, yet they like to ever so lightly skip over the fact that Japan has done some seriously fucked up shit in it's timeline as well, y'know like enslaving their neighbour countries? Every country has done fucked up shit no matter what their fucking skin colour,creed or whatever.Just the pure fact that people skip over the fact that the word 'SLAVE' came from 'SLAVIC' who were oh yeah, white people!!! is ridiculous because they pretend white people have never been the underdog at any point in time.

So yes, lolita can be classed as 'cultural appropriation'. Anything can be 'appropriation' and a lot of stuff is. You don't get new fucking ideas without it. 'Appropriation' has become some stupid dirty word on the internet now because of it's association with the Tumblr stuff. It basically means 'borrow', NOT take like people make out to be. British people (where a lot of lolita styles stem from) wore these types of outfits in the Victorian era, where there was "the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society" or "CULTURE". So yes you ARE culturally appropriating a part of British history.

Sorry this post dragged on and got a bit spergy but god damn I hate this sort of shit.

Bump

>>8344610
who gives a shit

>>8344744
Yorupenas are allowed to have culture and Americans can't have anything, is what I have gathered from my research.

>>8344943
That isn't what I meant to say, sorry it came out that way.
Most people who get offended by "appropriation" issues are minorities and immigrants to other countries where the stereotypes are perpetuated. Those issues effect them because they live them and are subjected to people expecting them to be a certain way based on a racial factor.
I am not pretending to be Japanese.

I'll agree about white girl sjws, though.
They didn't just decide to start caring about muh appropriashuns all by themselves, someone else (one of their precious PoC no doubt) told them that those things were wrong.

>>8345370
>Most people who get offended by "appropriation" issues are minorities and immigrants
As an immigrant minority surrounded by immigrant minorities living in the UK, you're full of shit.

Most immigrants want to be treated like locals, not fawned over for being beautiful curry goddesses or whatever. Nobody really gives a shit about cultural appropriation because guess what, we're appropriating someone else's culture as we speak, living in their country and trying to assimilate.

The only people who ever give a fuck are SJWs (white or otherwise). They got it from Americans who were told by injuns that feather headdresses are offensive so they got scared and started treating every single minority as a exotic unique culture that shouldn't be tainted by evil whiteys. Refer to white chicks crying about bindis (which are by and large a fashion accessorie) as an example. Then that shit started spreading to other countries thanks to the internet, Anglo countries being hit the hardest. I know some Polish people who have become SJWs too but for the most part they get made fun of which is good, they should be.

>>8344943
> it's not some shithole like Latvia or something
What? I guess I should move to utopia America!

>>8344610
nah because white people don't have a culture so there's nothing to appropriate

>>8344783
Amen, anon.

>>8344922
>Japanese in America fear that people will go "hello kitty you SO PRETTY Y U NO DRESS LIKE A QT AZZN GRRRL U DUMDUM U R NOT KAWAII Y U NO BE LIKE A HARAJOOOKOOO FAIRY KEI CUPCAKE LAYDEEEE???????"

Only weebs who can't hide their power level would ever consider doing this and they are to just be disregarded anyway, because likely they are severely autistic or something if they think this is ok.

>>8344783
This.

>>8344943
Latvia is not a shithole, you probably haven't even passed 1st grade geography, and you can't speak for all Japanese people seeing as you're not Japanese and don't have a cultural identity, being American

When brands stop promoting the fashion in other countries. When japanese lolita personalities stop coming to western events, when Meta takes down their lolita-chan page with pictures of lolitas from around the world in their products (lol white people). When brands stop releasing mooks and stop posting event reports with white customers in their fashions then maybe, just maybe I'll think that they don't want us wearing the stuff they produce.

Until then tumblr sjw not involved in this fashion at all can complain on and on about how the concept of the fashion is entirely lost on us crackers and we shouldn't be wearing it ever.

>>8344610
>cultural appropriation
kek

>>8344783
+1000

"Appropriation" is definitely based on social power structures of the place you're talking about? 'Gyaru' has a lot of phases that are more rooted in anti-black racism (I mean, I'm thinking of ganguro specifically I guess)? I mean if OP is actually interested in this, look up history of lolita and shit in Japan? I don't want to say ~assimilation~ but like wanting to reach beauty standards of a dominating culture isn't appropriation?

Isn't Japan kind of known for their casual racism? If Nazi uniforms can be a fashion statement, I don't think a lot of people give a fuck about appropriation. Yes I know that aspect of fashion is part of counter culture, but it isn't seen as a horrific taboo.

>>8344610
>are there Japanese SJWs complaining about Kirino Mosaic or something, being like "BEING WHITE IS NOT AN EXOTIC QUIRK STOP FETISHISING RACES"
No. There are not. Japan is ethnically homogenous enough that I'd be surprised if there was any discussion of racism (outside like, the occasional hate crimes against koreans or something) at all.

I am also sure the idea of cultural appropriation is not something discussed there. Most Japanese people I've spoken to loved Avril's Hello Kitty video.

>>8345774
OP here, I'm not actually that interested I just wanted to make fun of SJWs.

>>8345650
I'm talking about Japanese people appropriating European fashion, not whitey appropriating petticoats and bonnets and Mary Janes from Japaneses.

>>8344783
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>>8344783
yeeeeeeeeeeeees!

>>8344610

>>8345774
Gyaru and Ganguro had to do with rebelling against the typical standard of beauty there(pale skin, dark hair, tame makeup).

>>8346334
And before any idiot replies to this: yes, those standards were there before "muh colonization"

>>8344783
>The only threat to cultures is them being forgotten or destroyed entirely
>doesn't exist

>>8346813

their culture hasn't been forgotten, i'm sure many a people have cursed indians and their monopoly on fucking casinos.

literally brown jews.

>>8345084

Anyone wearing a suit in their entire life is an appropriation of British culture. The modern suit was created and stylized by the British. Therefore, to all formal events, everyone should show up nude so they do not appropriate any styles.

>>8344610
>Not /cgl/
>Not /cgl/
>Not /cgl/
/thread

>>8346848
I LUV U

>>8344744
Europeans are by and large white, which makes them a privileged majority so you can't appropriate from them. Is what SJWs say.

>>8344922
ridiculous, most people outside of asia can't tell the difference between japanese, chinese, korean or whatever, this has never been an issue ever.
and no, "race issue-related sjws" are not immigrants most of the times, they're 1/16 cherokee or part unicorn usually

>>8344943
that's your family, most japanese people i've met seemed pretty happy about being able to get out of their overbearing culture, even if they didn't hate japan or anything.

>>8344610
>Could it be argued that when Japanese girls dress up in Gyaru, it's cultural appropriation? What about when they wear Lolita, which is based on old European fashion?
By tumblr logic, it should be. This is exactly why the SJW's take on "cultural appropriation" is so fucking retarded. If a white girl shouldn't wear a kimono then a Japanese girl shouldn't be wearing either of those styles, especially ganguro where the entire fucking point is to look like an extremely exaggerated version of the Cali girl stereotype.

>>8347277
But in Japan, Japanese are the majority much more so than whites are in Europe, and they're no less privileged. In fact, the Japanese are extremely nationalistic and often pretty racist, so by SJW logic, they should be fair game every bit as much as whites.

>>8347309
>logic
there's your problem