/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

1999

>>8312979
Wow, I'd seen this before but I never realised that it was so old. Coord on the right in particular would be pretty good even by modern standards, imo.

also 1999, I think

>>8312964
>dat VW
Well one thing's for sure, VW definitely doesn't get the same amount of love as it used to.

>>8312983
It was published in October of 1999, according to the page on archive.org. fyeahlolita has a whole article on early lolita.

>>8312986
My mental timeline of Lolita is so skewed, I never realised that this was so old either. I'd always placed this in my head as being around 2002

2001

This girl is cute in a kind of strange way.

2000

1999

not a fan of those shoes...

>>8312964
I really love the old school casual look that was just a cutsew + skirt. It make lolita really daily wearable.

1999

1997

>>8312991
Why is this? I personally still love VW

>>8312991
Maybe VW doesn't show up in lolita fashion as much as it used to, but VW still has a presence in Tokyo street fashion. There's a physical CC branch that is entirely devoted to VW, and the VW branch in Harajuku has plenty of traffic.

>>8313046
>>8313056
Pretty sure a coord was posted recently and people were saying that the VW handbag in it (standard heard-shaped VW bag) was ita. I can't seem to find it, though.

If you guys want to comb through early Fruits magazine, here's an archive: https://archive.org/details/fruitsmagazine?sort=-date

Site's acting a little weird for me, though.

anybody still gonna make that oldschool revival group on facebook? i want to but it was someone elses idea

1998

Actually very well put together. Not as poofy as modern lolita, but I like.

>>8313007
Oh hey, looks like the same girl! Don't know the year of this, but here you go.

I actually really like old school sweet.

I love pink and white.

How do you guys feel about bloomers peeking out a bit in old school? I think it can be a pretty cute touch.

>>8313091
>>8313077
The shoes here are so goofy-looking but I can't help but love them. I'm assuming they're an-ten-a, can anyone confirm or point me towards the right brand?

>>8313114
I think it's really cute. I remember it had become something of a taboo when I started into the fashion (not as big as peeking petti, that always looks bad) but idek. Never done it myself since my bloomer game is weak.

>>8313115
If you browse the site you'll maybe find similar shoes but lolitas didn't necessarily wear "lolita-specific" shoe brands in old school. A lot of VW, vk and goth shoes, random cute mainstream shoes...you can still find shoes like that in non-lolita shops of course!

>>8313115
Shoes in >>8313091 are "Antena", according to the magazine.

>>8313114
Visible bloomers used to actually be a 'fashion point' in some cases, I really miss that.

Glad to see this thread continue! I got into Lolita in between the time of old school and new school, so I was exposed to more new school stuff but old school was still not so old.

>>8313200
I always loved the look of bloomers under an elegant dress. I hope, since OTT classic seems to be the new it thing, peeking bloomers come back in style. Since Classic tends to go for a more Victorian look I think "drawers" peeking out from under the hem would really suit it and add to the doll inspired look Lolita has.

>>8313200
So cute! Maybe I'll get some long bloomers and try to revive it. It gives off a nice "innocent" vibe to me. I love the ones with the dangly ribbons.

Cute bloomers!

Old school sailor!

>>8313046
The fashion has gotten a lot more standardized and brand-monogamous. Not in the sense that people only wear a single brand, but that there's a set of lolita brands, and in general that's all people wear, along with off brand that's in the same style. VW has a distinct identity outside of lolita and it just doesn't "fit" as well anymore. You see a lot more street fashion-y elements and style mixing in old school lolita, especially in the shoes and handbags, that you don't see nearly as much now.

I gotta say, the old non matchy look used to look rather incoherent. Pretty glad that brands started putting out full sets (I find valuing creativity in not wearing a full set overrated, especially as the anons who value it will pick someone wearing a slightly mismatched outfit over someone who looks good because "it's not a fullset").

I do think the whole "lolita rules" has been taken a little bit overboard, though. Whoever thought cutsew + skirt isn't lolita or that lolitas must always keep their shoulders covered hasn't had enough history of seeing brands put out cutsew + skirt, sometimes with tank tops instead of puff sleeved cutsews. I just wish I'd saved the brand ads or stock photos to prove this. The styling in some of them were obviously lolita except for breaking these rules, I don't think they can be brushed off as "non lolita burando" either.

My original lolita inspiration~

>>8313317

>but that there's a set of lolita brands, and in general that's all people wear,

Really? I used to follow closely in 2008-2011 and then quit until a few weeks ago, and what I've found upon my return is an explosion (relatively) of indie brands and new designers that aren't all lumped together as simply "offbrand". I feel like there's so much more variety now.

I'm still kind of adjusting to the extreme-matching obsession but I figure since I usually go for a toned down "simple" outfit when I do bother dressing up, I still don't really care about policing exact shades of cream.

>>8313294
every time i see a photo like this i mentally play the "are those the top of her socks or the bottom of her bloomers" game.

>>8313367
Wait...I'm not so sure anymore. What are they?!

>>8313327
>I find valuing creativity in not wearing a full set overrated
This. I see lolita as both a fashion and a collecting hobby. If I really like a particular series, you're damn skippy I'm going to buy everything matching for it and wear it together fairly often. I'll switch it up of course. At the end of the day I'm not trying to be well known for my excellent coording skills. I'm just wearing what I like.

>>8313367

That's the fun of it, anon.

>>8313376
same to all of this

I'd like for the fashion to, not necessarily move towards oldschool, but at least be more accepting of oldschool coords that aren't just simple block colours or black and white. There's so much more to it than that.

I really love >>8312964 , even though it's gaudy by today's standards. I know that, as >>8313327 said, the non-matching look can look a bit odd, but even to a lesser degree, it makes the fashion look a little more personal. I don't think there's anything wrong with wearing sets, and hell there are a few full brand sets I'd love to get my hands on, but I'd love to be able to switch it up a bit without being called ita. I haven't, but I feel that if people see a coord that isn't the cookie-cutter AP/IW ideal of what a coord should be, they'll tear it apart.

>mfw why do I care about strangers on the internet though

>>8313063
I don't have the picture, but I know what you're talking about! It's because that specific bag was like, red alligator-skin? That made it sort of ill-fitting for lolita, or at least that coord. It wasn't because it was VW.

>>8313691

Don't take the ita or nitpick thread too seriously. People in there are now picking apart coords if they don't like a particular pair of shoes or some such small reason. Nitpick/ita threads are on 4chan and not egl for a reason, its beginnings were rooted in making fun of girls, not something constructive or educational.

I think there can be a middle ground where we don't diss the girls who don't look 100% matching while also not dismissing the girls who are wearing full sets as "cookie cutter". Even "cookie cutter" girls have taste and choice, they chose to coord their dress with the socks and headbow of the same series because they like the way it looks. There really shouldn't be any pressure to force someone to look for matching socks and headwear outside of a particular series just so that they aren't dismissed as "cookie cutter", or to force someone to buy everything from the same set just to prove they're not ita.

>>8313114
Generally don't like it, like it even less with low poof.

>>8313200
Oh, it's really cute in the two Misako coordinates and the top left coordinates.

>>8313327
True, but sometimes brands put out mismatched ads not because it looks good but because there's nothing in their collections that season that does match. Like when AP releases Wonder Queen and the model coordinate featured bright red engineer boots that didn't match the coordinate at all. It's not because "brands say it's okay to wear shoes that don't match your outfit at all!", it's because they didn't have any wine red shoe releases at the time.

I remember getting the fruits book from my mother, and then falling in love with lolita, even though I did not know what it was at the time. This girl was my favorite, and she's still an inspiration of mine. Everything about her is just perfect.

>>8314016

The ad comments relates to sleeveless tops, not mismatched coords.

I know that it sounds silly, but I am super nostalgic for 2011 as a lolita year. There were just released so many amazing dresses and prints that year. Chained Berry Memoir, Delft Lotta, Scent Of Rapunel, End of Immortal Eden, all amazing prints that just give me that ''ooompf'' feeling when I look at them. I really want 2011 in lolita back.

>>8313114
Absolutely love it. I've actually ben trying to find a pair of long bloomers for sale since I want them to finish up a few coords with dresses that are a bit too short on me, and for which underskirts don't work. They seem to have completely disappeared, feels bad.

F+F has long bloomers for ~17 bucks. Just got mine in and the lace is decent and comfy. I love the peeking bloomers look too esp since I am tall

>>8313200
Does anyone have fullsize of the Misako scans?

>>8314086
It's from Otome no Sewing, if that helps.

Bring back the chunky heels and chokers. Braids and maaaybe ringlets can come too.

>>8313017
Hey I don't want to judge or anything but from a caucasion perspective: did the Japanese change a bit in their face in general? I see a lot more pinched-asian-faces in these old-school pics and way less in new photos.Or is it just that they only take photos of pretty faces nowadays? I've never been in Japan so, sorry, I don't really know the 'standard' normal Japanese girl face.

>>8314131
Makeup styles changed mostly. Not to mention the quality of the cameras improved and so did the photoshop.

>>8314113
Thanks anon! If anyone else wants them:

>>8314147

>>8314131
They started to use eyelid tape and circle lenses.

>>8314131
Plastic surgery is also becoming more popular.

>>8314052
yeah, same for me except for a lot of the sweet prints and sweet non-prints from AP that year. i know that year was huge for OTT sweet being a thing but i really like them as simple coords, too.

>>8314125
LOVE chunky shoes! Braids are also cute.

>>8313729
Nitpick threads are not designed for making fun of people, just for pointing out small things people would like to see changed in a coordinate but know it would be rude to mention in person. Ita threads, yeah, they're for being mean, but not nitpick threads.

>>8314150
Thanks anon, these are really cute!

>>8314221
Personally I dislike the super chunky very oldschool shoes, but I love ringlets, rectangle headdresses, braids and dresses in solid colours with white lace details.

>>8314131
>>8314138
I find the pinched face kind of charming, in a way. Agree it's probably make-up styles.

I greatly prefer the more natural and toned-down make-up style or even no make-up at all. Wearing a lot of make-up and huge circle lenses hits the uncanny valley for me.

Apron?!

>>8314224

..........Were you in an alternate timeline when the nitpick threads were created? There were several threads on cgl debating how "the quality of ita threads has gone down" vs "cgl is being too nice to itas", culminating in someone starting up a nitpick thread so that girls can post pics they want to nitpick in the nitpick thread instead of the ita thread.

The nitpick thread is basically ita thread rejects for not being ita enough to make fun of.

>>8313077
>white guy holding hands with Asian grandma in the background

>>8314256
It's ~true love~

>>8314268
Every time I see that gingham OP I think of the Baby/Volks collab and sigh wistfully. Twinning with a BJD was one of my goals when I was first starting lolita.

>>8314316
That navy one is still my favourite oldschool dress.

Anyone start that old school revival facebook group yet? I'd like to join.

Cat ears?!

Cute photo.

>>8314330
I don't know if I'd like there to be an oldschool revival group as such. I feel like it could turn into a lot of bickering about what qualifies and what doesn't, and a lot of newbies could flock in, as they do to all comms, posting ita coords and complaining when we don't compliment their "oldschool pillowcase trimmed with curtain lace" skirt.

I think just treating it as another substyle is sufficient.

>>8314333
In fairness, they're subtle. It's the big furry nyan-neko-tier ones that are generally ita. Not that the dress she's wearing is god-tier by any means, though.

>>8314333
The girl on the right is wearing that one really horrible bodyline dress

>>8314333
>>8314333
Ah, now for a fun game of "a rare example of ero in the wild, or just ita?" erring on the side of the latter, since I think both dresses are Bodyline specials and the shitty lace on the socks makes them look like Bodyline too. Probably cosplay lolita.

Also pretty sure that's a pair of bows at an angle, not cat ears.

>>8314367
huh. it doesn't look nearly as horrible in all-black. not great, but it doesn't make me cringe on sight.

Early print? I like the more casual look. Not sure about those shoes.

>>8314600
Girl on the right looks so unhappy to be there.

>>8313007
>>8313200
>>8313294
>>8313301
>>8313729

I have a mighty need for these shoes.

>>8313034
>those hair clips

The birth of decora

Does anyone have any In the Starlight pieces in coordinates, aside from headbows/accessories? Or even stock photos?

>>8314612
Etoile was released in 2008 so not that early.

Speaking of casual, does any one remember the magazine Alice a la Mode? The styling in that mag was like no other. I wish they did more than 4 issues.

Who remembers "the" H&m dress?

>>8315011
I loved Alice Deco, everything was so mis-matched and OTT and "I don't give a damn what you think, I'm cute."

>>8315112
I'll post a couple more Alice mag scans.

>>8315124

>>8315126
Regarding both this magazine and old school Lolita, I do feel Lolita today is too strict in terms of things being so matchy-matchy and more like photoshoot clothes than an everyday wearable fashion. I like both cords that are perfectly matched and more crazy, unmatched ones. Both are a different look and both can be cute, I wish people were more willing to accept both styles. And I wish the wearable-ness of Lolita would return.

>>8314976

>>8314976

This and the next aren't stock photos, they're me trying to sell these to my high school friends on facebook.

>>8314976

I still own a white ITS blouse, I'm 70% sure, maybe I even have some shitty outfit shots from junior high school with it. I figured out pretty quick that the peter pan collar isn't the look for me, though, so I didn't wear it much.

>>8315135
i think the matchyness arose in part due to the awful, awful itaness of many westerners back in the early-mid 2000s. old school itas make a lot of stuff posted to the ita threads now look passable.

no one knew how to dress themselves so rules were established to keep out people who did not dress well. i do not even think the rules do much good because:

>availability of real lolita items makes old school ita mistakes less likely to happen
>new itas don't follow rules anyway

>>8315156
Ita threads here disappoint me. I want to see some Milanno-tier coords, not someone whose shoes don't quite match their outfit.

>>8315195
Nitpick threads were supposed to contain the bad but not eye-searing outfits, but half the board hates them and the other half can't tell the difference between nitpick and ita.

>>8313365
I'm talking about style of the clothes and what they're paired with, not the number of different designers. I've been following the fashion since the stone age, and there's absolutely been an explosion in the number of designers, but that explosion has gone hand in hand with a lot less mixing of the pieces with non-lolita (/otome) brands. Popular taobao and indie brands fit in the same basic style categories as brands like Baby or Victorian Maiden. You see a lot less mixing of lolita brands with brands/items that have strong *not* lolita identities. In the old street snaps you see a lot more mixing of lolita with other styles.

I just might get me some long bloomers for winter. They're really growing on me.

Cute shoes.

I got into lolita only about a year ago but man am I sad that I missed the high tide of old school. I love more toned down/wearable coords in general because that's what I like to do, wear my lolita on everyday occassions. Glad that it's been gaining more popularity,

Left girl is pretty Alice-y. I do like photos more "dynamic" than just standing straight and showing the outfit. More interesting.

I wonder if this girl can actually play the piano?

>>8315226
I've coveted that gray/black Meta dress since forever

>>8313098
>>8314600
I miss seeing these locales in snaps.

Because you know I'm all about that lace, 'bout that lace, no raschel

>>8315246
I guess related to old school, but do lolitas in Japan really do this anymore? Have tea parties kind of taken this away? Just kind of hang out on the ground and sitting around outside.

>One of my stranger lolita dreams was just to join a loitering pack of lolitas/j-fashion people and hang out.

>>8313098
Pink and white coords with jet black hair are some of my favourites.

>>8315086
I do! And how most of egl lost their shit trying to get hold of it. I own the grey version like the photo and a still love it, it's a beautiful dress in its own right, and very reminiscent of a high fashion 50s evening dress (with obviously not the same quality level).

I haven't worn it as lolita for an age though, I'm not sure if I'd dare.

>>8315214

(not the anon you were talking to)

If you're talking about the experimenting, it's still going on. Girls wear AP salopettes for fairy kei or decora, or slip a few lolita brand items into a non lolita coord. A lot of girls still use non lolita shoes, bags, blouses and accessories in their coords. Whether you love them or hate them, peignoirs, madonna crowns, and flower crowns are the visible results from all the experimentation that girls are still doing.

If you're talking about how VW is no longer being worshipped by lolitas, well, it was inevitable. VW was not lolita in the first place, and when lolita matured the styles split up so much that it's harder to get lolita style and VW to reconcile now (see the alligator skin purse comment above). Besides, we're lolitas, it doesn't make sense to expect us to constantly shoe horn in a non lolita brand for no particular reason.

>>8315254
Looks like she's thinking about it too

>>8315696
I think that dress is up on Wunderwelt at the moment

>>8315716
There used to be a "cosplay bridge" area of Harajuku, a long time ago part of the street was closed off on weekends too. They opened the street, and numbers gradually dwindled over the years. A lot of tourist guidebooks started telling people to go there and look and the freaks, but those dressed up didn't like being accosted by tourists (would even have up 'no photo' signs that were ignored)

>>8316337
I thought they still closed part of the street on weekends...

>>8314616
Stinkface is the only true Elegant Gothic Lolita Aristocrat Vampire Romance look, anon.

>>8315687
Dope. Love the bottom of her dress and those socks.

Dem heels...

RIP punk lolita

>>8316521
That's kawaii as fuck.

>>8316521
I love how not only this coord but the design art would be shot down as ita so fast these days. It's cohesive and well balanced overall.

>first love was punk lolita but finds out it's the redheaded stepchild
>loves striped socks but hesitant to attempt using them in things

I'll share some too.

>>8316533
Japanese girls use stripes or diamond patterns all the time. It just has a bad taste here because of emos and fake punk shit intermingling with lolita creating disasters,

>>8316545

>>8312964
it's not really that fun

>>8317808
Are you referring to modern Lolita? Because if so, I actually feel the same way. I hardly ever actually have fun with Lolita anymore. Been considering leaving the fashion even. My taste hasn't really changed, I still like the clothes and the same styles and stuff, but something about it is different these days.

>>8318507
Sorry, I'm derp, I realize now you were referring to OP saying the last thread was fun.

Either way my comment still stands.

>>8313114
Especially for this coord, the bloomers add to the cohesiveness of the outfit--look at that color balance! The color of the parasol is throwing it off for me a bit, but that's just a nitpicky nitpick.

>>8314367
I already liked her outfit and looking at that atrocious ad I am even more impressed with how cute she looks.

>>8315126
>>8315135
These are cool; thanks for sharing.

2004

also 2004

2004

Sailor is cute.

Anyone want me to take pictures of one of the early GLB ?
Since lolita general didn't answer, might try here.

I miss when Meta's prints didn't look like they took a bunch of clip art and threw it together in a cluster.

>>8321634
Go for it.

2001

>>8321668
Not quite sure what is going on with that girl on the right's shoes...

>>8321644
I sold this dress recently because I was really short of cash but immediately regretted it. I hope the new owner likes it as much as I did and it makes them happy.

>>8321634
do it mother fucker.

>>8316545
>>8316584
ahhh these illustrations fulled teenage me.

>>8321698
oh man, that stinks! I'm sure it will make them happy, though, Meta's "old" (is it wrong I can't see pieces from 2005-2008 as old even though they're 7-10 years old...) pieces are just lovely.

I made myself a rule to never sell my old Meta, it can be a pain in the butt to find secondhand

>>8321698

>>8321707
I tend not to think of stuff any later than say, 2006 as old either, probably because I feel ancient and attended my first meet in 2004 (in an admittedly dodgy Bodyline/Cosmates dress). I kept the bodyline dress for reasons of nostalgia/ no sane bugger would buy it, yet sold the nice older stuff, I don't know what I was thinking - now I'm slowly buying older releases back(!).

I most recently picked up the Meta OP in pic related for instance and it's currently in the post. I believe its from 2002.

p.s. I've been aching to know who some of the lolitas in these threads are. It's as if we seem to exist in a strange space, where egl is dead and tumblr doesn’t feel quite familiar enough (and in my case, makes me feel a bit old and seriously uncool)

>>8316533
>>8316577

As an outsider to the whole thing I get the impression that older lolita was closer to Harajuku alternative styles, but has since branched out into its own domain to such an extent that Lolita really feels like it has nothing to do with Harajuku anymore. I get the impression that people into Lolita nowadays care more about fashion and clothing as a whole and are more receptive towards mainstream trends than people into Lolita before which were always in some part expressing themselves as a permutation of gothic or alternative culture, even if they weren't directly involved.

>>8321775
This girl is OSoohyeon.
https://twitter.com/OSoohyeon/status/569044723513454593

Try reverse image searching to find some of these. I've been getting a lot from tumblr.

>>8321834
I think you've pretty much nailed it anon, although there are definitely older Japanese lolitas still in the fashion that were probably hanging around Harajuku back in the day.

When I was shopping at Marui One about a year and a half ago, I was surprised that the few lolitas I saw in there were clearly over 30 ( looking awesome but up close I could tell they weren't in their 20s).

>>8321836
thanks for that anon. I didn't make myself very clear in my last post, I was actually referring to the anons posting in these threads, rather than the people in the photos (although that info is also certainly appreciated).

>>8321875

Bystander/Not lolita. My girlfriend is into sweet lolita, I'm just interested in subcultures and Japanese culture. I like the look of Lolita but the modern 'scene' doesn't interest me, I come here for a cultural reference point I guess. I'm more interested in the street snaps than the glossy shoots and catalog scans but it all comes together to form a bigger picture regardless.

>>8321875
Ah, misunderstood. I'm just a new lolita that likes old school.

I kinda really want this dress.

>>8322003
I love the classic babydolls, unfortunately my boobs do not as I discovered recently (I've had to purchase a super kawaii sports bra to see if it can save me).

>>8322003
Do it! I have one of the iterations of this babydoll dress and it is my most comfortable piece to wear!

>>8321657
Which one?
>>8321706
Sure, just which.
I actually don't know moonspeak or Lolita at all. I just got them for like 4$

>>8322184
I don't have a scanner yet, I lost the plug for it. So, yeah.
Once I get it back, I'll also scan the patterns in the book.

>>8322211
If they're shit quality, just tell me to quit posting.

>>8322107
>>8322116
Damn, my boobs are a little on the large side. But Lolibrary says it fits up to 105cm, and my bust size is 92cm, so hopefully I'd be okay...

I really love it in red & white, pink, and black & white. I might try for it if I see one of those up on LM.

>>8322184
Post whichever look good to you or stand out in some way.
>>8322211
I love that old school white lace.

Trying not to laugh?

When did knees become such a sin? So many of these pics have UTKs, it's weird that suddenly knees were an evil thing in modern styles.

>>8322534
Does anybody actually care about knees? I see a lot of lolitas today wearing even ankle socks.

Personally, I prefer OTKs, but that's just me.

>>8321710
>that decor
Get in my house.

>>8322534
Compared to back then, it seems that people are more concerned with outfits being flattering nowadays. UTKs are flattering on practically no one, so people often recommend other types of legwear instead.
When I started getting into lolita there was a much bigger emphasis on looking like a (creepy) doll and frumpiness was tolerated if not encouraged. In modern lolita the emphasis on looking cute/pretty trumps the creepy doll look so UTKs, which call attention to (knobbly) knees and make most people's legs look stumpy, are much less popular.

>>8322935

I just wear tights under them. During summer, it's odd. During the winter, it's toasty warm. Either way, screw other people and wear the socks you like.

>>8322329
I don't want to dishearten you but my boobs aren't particularly big (about 87cm) and I had the dreaded boobloaf with the btssb babydoll cut. It wasn't so much the boob projection that was an issue, as width/ volume - they didn’t quite fit into the bodice section and my underboob sat slightly lower than the bottom bodice seam. I have wide-set slightly low placed boobs (not especially saggy, just 'normal'/average) which is part of the problem - I think it can be more of an issue of build or set than cup size sometimes.

I just hope the right bra can fix the issue as I've wanted the jsk in question for so long. I don't want to wear unflattering cuts just for the sake of it any more, I prefer to be practical these days.

>>8322534
As far as I know UTKs aren't what causes the knew sin. The "no knees" rule is (or was, people are more relaxed about shorter skirts these days) against too-short skirts, not what legwear you wore with them.

>>8321875
I don't have a tumblr presence or post coordinates to CoF, but I'm in a comm and I know that a couple of other girls in the comm like old school. Loads of comms do old school meets so I don't really feel isolated for liking it. I am in a comm with mostly Taobao-and-Bodyline lolitas though. Perhaps if my comm had mostly people that bought the latest AP releases I'd feel left out or judged.

>>8322184
Aren't scans of GLBs 1-40 already available online?

>>8322935
>When I started getting into lolita there was a much bigger emphasis on looking like a (creepy) doll and frumpiness was tolerated if not encouraged. In modern lolita the emphasis on looking cute/pretty trumps the creepy doll look
This is very true.

>>8322329
Same as >>8323283 , I've a 88 cm chest and babydolls give me boobloaf too and make me look fatter than I am. I've noticed it's especially bad if you're curvy, so it could work if you've a kind of straight figure?

>>8323328
They are yeah, although they weren't available for several years (especially the early ones) and have recently appeared again in places such as www dot avantgauche dot co dot uk (one of the original English language lolita fashion websites) which previously had a bunch of broken links. They are also available again on jmagazinearchives at blogspot - you can download zip files of all the bibles there (there were also lots of broken links etc here up until recently). I recommend people grab them whilst they can before they disappear again.

To be honest because of the availability (which is awesome), I'm more interested in older obscure pics from early Kera etc and defunct mags which are much more difficult to come by.

>>8314251
I love aprons in lolita, does anyone have anymore pictures or coords of this?

>>8322336
Some anon said they were available online. I am not into the lolita fashion, like at all. So I had no clue, sorry!

>>8323524
These qualities are so horrendous, I'm absolutely sorry.

>>8323528
These picture captchas are annoying.

>>8323507
Pictures of aprons, or pictures of that outfit?

>>8323036
what year is this?

>>8323531
Even if the quality isn't perfect, thank you for this, anon. <3

>>8314084
this is a stretch, but pics anon? I've only had two items from F+F that I haven't been super impressed with.

>>8323283
>>8323399
If you guys are having problems, there's probably not much hope for me. Not sure about curvy, but my waist is much smaller than my bust... I guess I can always find something that looks similar.

Damn these DDDs. I'm not even overweight and I still have fitting problems.

>>8322596
I've gotten shut for it before. I'm 176cm and my favorite brand is AP, which is why I've always wondered. I have thighs so OTKs roll uncomfortably sometimes.

>>8322935
Okay I see. I only started Lolita a few years ago but I always thought UTKs were kind of cool. But that makes a lot of sense.

>>8323312
Oh I get it. More skin, less modesty. That makes sense.

>>8323399
I have an 86 cm bust and even I was on the verge of boob loaf with the last coord I wore. Getting the dress took the most time.

>>8324554
Welp, there goes that plan. I'm not gonna look good in the that dress. I guess I shouldn't always trust Lolibrary.

>>8323539
Of aprons in lolita coords

Does anyone actually own one of the original Usakumyas? I've always wondered how many of them are knocking about

>>8324908
I'd love to own one of these. I can't say I've actively looked for it alone, but I don't think I've ever seen it second hand searching for BtssB anywhere.

>>8324957
I've been checking auctions specifically for this and I don't think I've seen it for sale once anywhere.

>>8324965
there was one on closet child about a year ago I think.

I wish twintails looked good on me. I try wearing them and I just end up looking like some sort of fetish model.

>>8326261
Me too, the only way I can make then not look like I'm pretending to be a toddler or a sexy school girl is to wear them low on my head but then they don't really have the right look to them anymore (pic related). Also, I have really thin, fine hair, so there's not much I can do to make my hair look cute.

>>8315086
I'm still salty i couldn't get a hold of that dress. We didn't even have an H&M in my state til 2 or 3 years later.

>>8315696
God damb it i just lost an auctiin on this dress i wanna cry

>>8324908
I've never seen it but I'd fight in a lolita cage match for one. It's so damn cute! Cutter then the current Usakumya imo

I wish people didn't worry so much about looking a little bit frumpy, I think there's a certain amount of frump that looks very charming. There's also a difference between frumpy from something being ill-fitting, and just from something being like pic related.

I think the excessive focus on clean lines and everything being perfect contributes to it being frowned upon.

>>8315086

I wish lolita was more like the old days. I'm still young and in the early 2000 i was only a preteen and i knew nothing about lolita but i feel that lolita lifestyle, the simpler cuts, casual styles, no need to buy the latest burando piece or following the trends was more appealing for my taste. Now, i see the most thing closer to lifestyle is only hoarding pieces and wear the most OTT coordinate, casual lolita is ignored or labelled as ita even with acutal burando cutsews and simpler skirts, most lolitas nowadays wear the fashion only during meets or cons . I dislike all of this because it loses that rebellious, "fuck the normies" allure, for this before we had more lolitas that were into alt subcutures like goth in the past. Modern lolita become like a cosplay competition, unlike other jfashions except for more OTT stuff like shironuri, rather than a real street fashion.
I noticed in the old street snaps, i see what the girls pictured listened, maybe old school was somewhat connected into listening to some artists like Malice Mizer or some visual kei. I really loved that.

>>8314340
The lesbian vibes are strong.
I like it.

>>8315246
I miss shoots of people in j-fash that weren't posing, just sitting around,doing their stuff,talking,...being natural y'know?

>the group behind judging them
>that Mana clone putting on makeup
Actually it can give place to fun reaction images too.

>>8329164
Keep in mind anon, that not everyone wears lolita to meetups and cons because that's the place to do it. In many places it's just too goddamn unsafe to wear anything that stands out when you're alone. If I could wear lolita every day, I would. Unfortunately it gets worn to cons more often because they are a part of my life (staffing, vending etc) and to meetups because of social gatherings of similar interests. As much as I love it, I find it impractical. The minute I go out in lolita alone to run errands or do whatever, I often worry about my safety. People are nuts.

>>8313098
>>8313121
>>8314600
>>8322211
>>8323453
Those were some of the first pics i ever saw of lolita that made me fall in love with it...

>>8329164
Feeling ye bruh

It's so comforting to know that so many others would like to see the style come back. I don't think a "group" or anything like that would be of much use, but if any of you wear oldschool, post coords. Post them to blogs or tumblr or hell even CoF. Only we can make it normal again.

>>8329362
I think this is the best plan. Forgo the group idea, but create an old school 'renaissance' I guess you would say. An influx of old school coord shots, photography, and active blogs (or blog networks) would help revitalize it more than any isolated group would.

I'm using google and looking up the brand names in Japanese and setting it to search in 2007. Lots of pictures! It's a good way to find old photos from blogs. I'll post some. Any specific year we want to look at?

>>8329164
I wear lolita when I go out with friends. I don't really mind looking like a freak, and my friends are all weebs, so they don't care. I wear it at meet-ups and cons, too, but also just to hang out.

>>8329834
Earlier the better, I would love to see more early lolita examples that are well put together or at least interesting to look at. Anything that isn't already in the G&L bibles or has done the rounds on tumblr would be great anon.

>>8312964
I love the look of lolitas just hanging around in the street. Now all it is is outfit shots, and I think that hanging around on the sidewalk with other lolitas sounds really fun.

>>8330347
I saw a lolita on the street in a weird spot and I nearly wrecked my car, I was so surprised. She was so cute too.

>>8323816
I've also bought a pair of bloomers from F+F, but the short kind. I wore them to death. Well the bloomers are still intact but the lace is pretty much dead. I like them a fair bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0izDSIrrus

I actually loved how Misako presented old school or "traditional lolita" as more of a substyle in this video. It was really good for showing how oldschool still translates well today, and is still very pretty.

>>8330926

too old school

>>8330926

Lol OLD old school. Those naughty necklines are what come to mind when I think of ero lolita (as well as influence from rococo/victorian-inspired burlesque costumes)

>>8315086
I'm still so mad at myself about selling it. It's a really lovely dress.

>>8330926
>not 1750s, true old school

>>8331699
Jeez, and I thought I was bad for knocking things over with my skirt...

>>8331699
>>not 1750s, true old school

Actually the picture you quoted is from the Marie Antionette movie with Kirsten Dunst. Marie was born in 1755 and died in 1793. So actually this is exactly the era you just referred to (normally approximated as 1750-1780).

The difference between your dress and the other is that it is English in style and origin and is more basic and suitable for outdoor activities whereas the above is French and is more elaborate and risqué due to the fact that it would have been worn in culture of severe decadence inside the Palace of Versailles.

>>8332170
Errr...

I said the 1750s, specifically, because the image I quoted (which pretty much most people would know is from the Coppola film) is modernized version of fashion in the 1770s. The 1750s are earlier than the 1770s, hence the joke of "true old school." I said nothing about an "era."

Also, the dress I posted is a court dress--certainly not "suitable for outdoor activities."

The super elaborate French court dress you're referring to would only have been worn for certain court occasions: being presented to court, weddings, formal balls, etc.

>>8332366

Fashion didn't really move that fast back then though. The 1750s-1780s were an era altogether, before Antionette's influence set in in the 1780s, another different era in fashion altogether.

Also the French dress would have been worn by aristocracy regardless of occassion. This is Versailles we're talking about, everything was to be as perfect as possible all year round. It was all about getting a seat closer to the king, there were no 'casual clothes'.

>>8332170
I'm really confused as to how you could think the costume from Marie Antoinette is more elaborate and less suitable for outdoor activities (although what outdoor activities you think an upper class 18th century woman would be doing in said dresses, I don't know) than the bulkier, heavier 1750s English-made dress.

This whole thread just got way too old-school for me.

But on a serious note, can we stay on topic? Mods have been deleting threads for really stupid things, and I'd hate to see this, of all threads, to be deleted.

Only ever seen pic related sold once, missed out by minutes.

>>8332377
>1750s fashion is the same as 1770s fashion
>Marie Antoinette was only influential on fashion in the 1780s (certainly there wasn't an entire era during the 1770s where she experimented with radical fashions which prompted the first significant waves of critical pamphlets against her)

can you stop with this nonsense, please and thank you.

>>8332485
sorry, sorry! Maybe someone should make a historical costume thread again.

Man, I really want an old school Baby dress.

>>8332475
Different anon, fashion student.

Panniers of Marie Antoinette were extremely restrictive and meant the wearer couldn't even bend down to pick up a dropped item. The idea was if a woman could afford to wear a dress with a huge pannier, she was extremely wealthy because she could afford the servants who would have to do EVERYTHING for her because she couldn't move.

>>8333054
Anon was specifically replying to an image of Kirsten Dunst & co in relstively informal court dress from the 1770s, not restrictive/formal court dress with wide panniers, such as in the portrait you posted. The peach court dress would be far more cumbersome to manuver In because it would require a nearly floor length, stiffer, almost box shaped pannier, likely made from wood or bone due to the fabric being heavy, as opposed to the informal robe a la francaise in the film, which would only require a small pannier for support

>>8332603
Keep an eye out on Y!Auctions, they pop up very cheaply now and then, and generally in great condition.

you guys are making me wish I had more old school stuff. I should start keeping an eye out,
I'd love to get something like >>8333899
for summer. I'm really trying to get a wearable wardrobe together and I think (hope) old school will fit in nicely.

I know some anons in this thread were hoping to find some more rare pictures, and I stumbled across pic related when searching Y!J.
No idea what year it's from, who it is, or what's going on really, but thought it would be appreciated nonetheless!

>>8333938
Not a fan of this. What's that black thing on the front? A bunch of bows? It looks pretty bad. Your search effort is appreciated, though.

>>8333938
That's Kyoko Fukada, a Japanese actress. She was in Shimotsuma Monogatari/Kamikaze Girls where her character is a lolita. The movie was released in 2004 and I'm guessing that pic was from the movie promo.

>>8333938
>>8333948
Wait, I just found this. Is left the same dress in a different colorway? Maybe it's just the photo that makes it look bad, lol.

>>8333953
Yeah, seems like it's the same dress. Plus, in the movie, her character is a huge BTSSB fan

>>8333962
My bad! Guess it's just a bad photo. I actually like that headdress. The pink one would go well with one of my skirts. The dress itself is also pretty cute in the better photo.

>>8323507
Found an apron!

>>8330926
With the way things are going I honestly see this being a 2016 thing.

I just really love the simplicity of old school.

>>8332603
>>8333313
Seconding yjp, I got a pink/white one from 2007 for around 30usd, and an oldschool (ish?) sailor op for 20 recently.

>>8334011
I really miss these models for some reason.

I figured this would be a good place to ask, anyone know if lj user: Kagome_no_yume has a tumblr? She was one of my favorites DL regulars and I'd love to see more of her.

>>8334130
Ugggggh I am scared of shopping services and that stuff, and it sucks because I am into old school and know that I could get several brand dresses for really cheap but I'm too much of a chicken shit.

>>8333313
>>8334130
Never used it before, but I might give it a shot sometime. Thanks!

>>8334011
>>8323507
More apron! This girl's pretty cute.

>>8314340
>>8329301
I'm a yuri fangirl at heart.

>>8314340
>>8329301
>>8334537
More of these girls!

Goth girl and gothic lolita. Is it weird I think the goth girl is hot? Anyway, I love those chunky shoes.

Is it me, or did gothic lolita crossover with regular goth more back in the day? I'm not sure what it is exactly, but the feel is different.

I definitely see more goth makeup (like black lipstick) in old school.

>>8334520
Use 'From Japan', it's about as straightforward as it gets and all automated. It's a bit like having your own ebay or yjp account without actually having to sign up. You can work out the total for your items, including fees etc before you bid as well. I've started using them recently with no problems at all.

Also anon, Japan post is super reliable, even without insurance. A friend of mine ships tons of crap from Japan and never bothers with insurance, tracking etc and has never had a package disappear. The only trouble he had once was when a package actually arrived in his homeland.

>>8334520
Don't be anon! I use japonica, they do all the bidding for you, even if the email system is tedious. I've been buying for a while now, and the only problems I have had was insane shipping on a parasol (brought that one on myself though) and wristcuffs smelling like smoke.

>>8334552
left is a toshiya cosplayer you pleb

>>8334562

I think you're right, and I think the effect is in the makeup and the shoes too. Those are definitely not "modern lolita" shoes. The tights, too, would probably be nitpicked.

>>8334562
>>8334866
There was tons of goth crossover back in the day. I kind of miss it, it had it's own appeal.

I feel out of place sometimes because I like every form of Lolita, the newer styles, the older styles, all the substyles. I've never really hated any of it but I know there's so many people who just can't stand one style or another. I think they all are appealing in their own way.

>>8334753
>>8334856
Thank you for the encouragement and the advice. I would love to try it someday, I need to work on learning more so I can shake off my fears.

When I went to the yahoo japan aution page, it showed a button that said "click here for overseas" and sent me to what appears to be their forwarding service? anyone know anything about that? I take it that it's still better to go through one of the places mentioned than that?

>>8334859
Huh. You got a link a video where he wore this outfit?

>>8334866
>>8334888
I really do like the crossover. Influence from non-lolita styles can bring more creativity. The shoes in this outfit give it charm, I think.

Personally, the only style I actively dislike is wa lolita, and only because I have only seen two good examples of it. Every other wa lolita coord I've seen is terrible. Qi lolita can be quite cute, though.

>>8334927
by this outfit, I mean >>8334562
Sorry for not being clear!

I wonder what year these are from.

One of my favourite models is Ringo because she has such a cute old-school look. She's like someone you'd find in an old fruits book with a modern twist.

>>8334978

>>8334981

>>8334856
Is it common to get insane shipping for parasols? I saw one I wanted to gnab for cheap secondhand but if that's the case, I'll just skip it.

>>8335004
They are hard to ship.

new thread >>8335438

>>8335004
I didn't think it was too insane, I shipped one with From Japan in a poster tube for under $30.

>>8314053
I have too! I can't seem to find them anywhere and just resolved to having to figure out how to make some myself. If anyone knows where to buy some I would be super interested.