/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Relevant to OP, I want honey cake but everyone seems to sell the yellow color way and never the pink.

>>8317764
Honey Cake is definitely one of those dresses that everybody wants just because everybody wants.

>>8317764
I don't get the appeal to Honey Cake honestly. If it was just pancakes, okay, but the pancake mix box?

Now Chess Chocolate is what I'm putting down as ridiculously popular. I still love it, but it's hard to coord because every ita and her greasy friends has a replica of it.

In the lolita general it was pointed out that drained cherry is popular in japan, what else was that we considered an absolute flop?

>>8317776
I see pink all the time, it's also cheapest.

Personally I like honey cake because it's so ridiculous. It's my stupid pancake dress and I love it

>>8317807
First release of Drained Cherry sold out upon release.

>>8317807
If you're asking for other dresses that flopped here and did well in Japan, wasn't Dreamy Baby Room super popular in Japan? Everyone in the west hated it because it was too ageplay-y but I heard that it got good reviews in Japan.

>>8317947
Beat me to it

Any time a very popular dress gets a very popular replica I feel that the popularity of the original dwindles because we see a lot of itas wearing the dress horribly. Notable examples: Chess Chocolate, Milky Planet, Sugary Carnival.

Every I see any of those (esp poor Chess Chocolate) it just looks so cheap and I wonder if it's a replica.

>>8317985
>tfw paid a lot to get chess chocolate when it first came out

>>8317825
Really? I might just not be looking hard enough. I'm not big on a lot of yellow so I really like the pink.

>>8317795
it's pretty easy to find on Y!J and for cheap now
under $300 most of the time

>>8318131
>under $300
Legitimate brand, not a replica? Goddamn.

>>8318142
CC is cheap cheap now.

>>8317782
Or maybe people just think it's cute and you should get over your special snowflake attitude?

>>8318159
This is how replicas destroy the market.

>>8318142
Its been like that for a year or two. People got over the interest pretty quick and then when those who didnt get it the first time got bored it sank in price. I know people who struggled to sell theirs because no one cares anymore.

>>8317947
It was ridiculously popular in Japan. It still holds a good resale value on the eastern market, which always surprises me.

>>8318131
>>8318333
I still hold to the opinion that Chess Chocolate is what really caused the current AP every-release-is-hype/scalped-release state of affairs.

>>8317985
Question: Is it worth scouring around for the real deal these days? Are there specific details on these I can really look out for that the replicas don't have, besides quality?

AP isn't my favorite brand so I buy late/don't buy at all. I always regret it because it seems everything they do gets a cheap replica.

>>8318425
what? i've not really seen people trying to scam with replicas and pretending they're original release, but i guess that could happen

of course it's worth getting the 'real deal' unless you're a lone lolita and no one else will see you wearing the replicas. even if people don't give you shit about it at comm events, they sure as hell will talk about it behind your back

>tfw a girl in my comm wears replicas almost exclusively, yet refers to them as the brand that's been ripped off

>>8317807
loved the drained cherry rerelease in yellowing I wouldn't have fitting the OP and it was my favourite cut so I didn't get it. I thought would be more popular in the west honestly.

>>8317947
I'll never get how cupcakes and ponies on sugary sweet pastels is more mature than a baby print you can barely see. Like really, do you think some normalfag is going to think this is less mature than something like Sugary Carnival?

>sweet lolita problems I guess

>>8317985
The original is going to stand out quality wise anyway even with a simple coord. Anyone can make any dress look like a hot mess. But if people refuse to buy it because itas have replicas of it, I'm fine with that. It just means less people to compete with when it comes to getting the original.

That said, all those prints are still worth a decent amount depending on their condition and the colorway.

>>8318425
In most cases, it's easy to spot a replica. However, some chinese replica shops have gotten really good, but most western 2nd hand sales are pretty honest about it. Just be aware of what replicas do exist and always ask to see tags.

Most of the stuff I own has replicas made of it. That doesn't stop me from enjoying what I own.

>>8318425
Uh yeah? The lace is shit on replicas, the print itself is pixelated, and the originals have way more little details that the lazy knock offs will never bother to put on their cheap garbage.

>>8317985

I completely agree with your opinion. I hate chess chocolate so much because of that reason now. Its tolerable in the ivory but the pink or sax look so ita to me now.

I dont know exactly what regions this was popular in but I feel a lot of girls are nuts for it.

>its meh to me

>>8318425
As long as you're buying from sellers with good feedback, it's highly unlikely that you'll encounter such a problem. If you're still worried, pretty much every replica has a review comparing it to the original where you can see the differences.

>>8318631
Ponies and cupcakes can be enjoyed by all ages, regardless of whether or not the person is an age player. This is not the case with baby shit.

>>8318545
I didn't say I wanted a replica? I don't want to buy a replica. I meant "is it worth the risk". I thought there'd be more replica scam stories since AP replicas are practically breeding?

>kek at that replicachan
>>8318679
Thanks. That's what I meant by "quality".
>>8318425
You're right that they've gotten a lot closer. I know AP does custom lace, but is there anything else besides tags? Like certain really specific detailing on Chess Chocolate, Milky Planet, and Sugary Carnival in particular.

>let's just say I don't trust tags

>>8317985
>2015
>not being able to tell the difference between a replica and original
Talk about being pleb as fuck

>>8318802
Meant >>8318665 not >>8318425

Here's another popular-in-the-east-but-not-in-the-west print, Wrapping Heart. I remember much groans on cgl that AP was going back to pastels after Lucky Key, Mercator and Celestial. After it sold out many people were in disbelief that the yellow colourway actually sold out since it was "the ugliest colourway".


>>8318131
>>8318159

That's what you gulls call cheap? Considering the dress is from 2011, it's still pretty pricey. Moon Night Theatre, Classic Melody, Marchen Ribbon and Marionette Clock are going for a lot less than that. Not to mention the ivory colourway is still nearly retail (pink and mint are the cheapest ones).

>>8318802

All three were made in the era of dodgy replicas (ie- DoL, Oo Jia), so the quality should be pretty obvious. You could ask for worn photos (full poof) and then check the lace, the replicas particularly skimped on gathering it properly and always seemed to make it too long. Watch out for overly saturated lace as well, they didn't bother getting the pastel dyes on them right. Another huge giveaway is the bows, the replicas tend to have the most depressed-looking bows while the original is pretty perky and stands up on its own.

The original Sugary Carnival uses thick matte cotton ribbon for both the lacing and the front bow on the shoulder straps of the jsk, that's the other detail I'm always hung up on. The replica jsks have really derp-looking bows made of much thinner fabric.

>>8318322
Idk, it's been a few years and I wouldn't say CC is a BUSY print, but...no, fuck it, I have the skirts. I love them. But they're busy. Not a versatile release, not something you can play around with, and AP killed it with their other chocolate releases. I can see why the price is lower now.

Also, CC goes for way under $300 for the OP, esp on YAJ. It's closer to $200 after converting yen to dollars.

>>8318938
all the other series you listed are uglier than chess chocolate though

also, considering most chess chocolate pieces went for $500+, 300 for the more popular pieces is cheap
i've seen the brown and pink bustier jsks go for less than 200 on Y!J

>>8319004
>>8318996

I still wouldn't call 300 cheap, though. And regardless of your personal opinions of the other series, they're definitely cheaper than CC.

If anything, I'd say CC's prices are now just reasonable. Yes, it went for over 500 -- four years ago. Every CC dress you see now is probably secondhand and may have passed through multiple owners, whereas you could still find a few brand new with tag a couple of years ago, which accounts for most of them selling for lower prices now. It's a four-year-old dress, most of them have been through some wear and tear.

>>8319057
Multiple owners and how long ago it came out means little in lolita. If that was a real factor in second hand market prices we wouldnt have stuff from 2006 worth 1k. VR still sells for retail and above and that not only is just as old but had a popular replica (probably the first popular replica) and a rerelease and is sold all the fucking time. So it isnt about age or how many people own it, but about how interesting it is to people. Most people who wanted CC had the chance to get it after it was hyped up and so now its popularity is still lost.

I think only the op sells for 300, the rest of the series is far cheaper.

>>8319095

Yes, but the point I was making is that CC is not "cheap", not that it's expensive. You can point out more expensive releases, but I have also pointed out far cheaper releases from the same year.

CC is mostly just middle ground. It's not reallly expensive anymore, but I wouldn't say it's cheap.

And the comment on the age relates to that. On yja, 200-300 for a four-year-old secondhand dress isn't "cheap".

>>8318717
I like velvet flocky print, but the boob zippers on this dress look so damn tacky to me.

>>8318631
I think the ads from Dreamy Baby Room were what Western lolitas disliked so much. I'm trying to find some images to post but they were very age-play in detail, not just the print of the dress.

I say this as someone who will end up buying Dreamy Baby Room eventually.

>>8319398

I completely agree. It reminds me of mall goth/scene/emo days

>>8318938
It seems like yellow is a lot more popular of a color way in the eastern markets than it is in the west or at least in the US. it's a shame because i love yellow/lavender coords--but they look like shit on me so I'd never wear them

>>8318938
I actually thought the yellow colourway was the nicest looking one and I was surprised nobody on /cgl/ liked it.

>>8320924

>>8318938
it's cheap compared to before, yeah.

>>8320924
See, I think we forget that Japan is way different than the west. Lolita is going to be seen as weird and looked down on regardless of how weird it gets, so they just go all out. Hell, AP's brand motto is about turning girls into their little girl dream princesses and would be considered ageplay-ey as fuck in the west but it doesn't matter to them at all.

>>8318801
Ponies and cupcakes yes, but AP ones are pretty blatantly childish looking. Someone normal will think you probably ripped your fabric from baby blanket prints, regardless if you're wearing Sugary Carnival or Dreamy Baby Room.

>>8320964
I'm not saying I like either print but for some girls it makes a huge difference if something is just cute like a children's cartoon or book from your childhood. Or if it's an relatively mundane item made for babies.
It's honestly all embarrassing baby shit to me but I understand why people draw a line to keep face.

>>8320989
No, I definitely understand. I guess what's important is -you- know that there's baby themed things on it.

>>8320945
>AP's brand motto is about turning girls into their little girl dream princesses and would be considered ageplay-ey as fuck in the west but it doesn't matter to them at all.

This is a good point, anon. I love their brand motto, it's really silly and fun, but it definitely would be considered age play-y or whatever in the west

>>8319095
i don't feel like linking to all the posts about CC but i won the OP and bonnet together on mbok for $200 about 3 years ago

Is it me or has milky planet decreased in popularity? Everyone's moving towards sweet-classic or Gothic imo. I came from fairy kei and love ice cream so obv I love that print still, but everyone who used to piss themselves over it is suddenly calling it ugly just like that. I think its one of the better over the top sweet prints personally.

>>8321188
Milky Planet has been irrelevant for quite a while now. Same goes for Melty Chocolate and Sugary Carnival which used to be the AP Holy Trinity.

>>8321196
What's the new Holy Trinity?
Holy Lantern is definitely one of them.

>>8321201
Misty Sky? Dream Sky? One of the skies?

>>8321188
there's always just going to be lolitas who only like the releases that are popular because they are popular. trends changed, so the trendy prints changed with it. anyone with their own sense of style is still going to like what they like.

>>8321201
Holy Lantern, Misty Sky and Chocolate Rosette maybe?

>>8321188
>sweet-classic or Gothic

Really? Gothic seems to be pretty business as usual to me, unless you mean that big religious trend. I think sweet-classic is on the rise.

>>8321215
Ugh I forgot about Puppet Circus and CTP.

Wasn't Cinema Doll not that popular at release? It's somewhat sought after now.

>>8321196
Sugary Carnival used to be one of my dream dresses but now I'm kind of "eh" about it honestly. My love for Milky Planet hasn't died though. I really want AP to do another doughnut print but more pastel/sweet with sprinkles and stuff, but I don't think it'll happen.
Some of the more trendy prints now are alright but like I said, fairy kei is where I got my start in J-fashion especially as a teen so OTT sweet has a special place in my heart no matter what. Just trying to piece together a milky planet coord without using a rhapsody or split wig though....

>>8321188
MP has still been going for a decently high amount on second hand sales, but it's definitely not going for 500-600 like it used to so now is a great time to buy. And I agree, I have it in yellow and it is lovey.

>>8321201
i think it depends if you're after sweet or classic/gothic

imo the holy trinity for sweet would be cats' tea party, but i don't know about the other prints

for classic/gothic, something from the pool of elizabeth bride of death, fragrant rose memories, end of immortal eden, iron gate (though that's dying fast), marionette in my closet and maybe gloria (both) and holy lantern

I think prices for MP will go down once people realize their listings for a single jsk/dress at $300 aren't going anywhere.

>>8317764
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m133738222

Atm the yellow jsk, headbow, honey bear ring, honey bear necklace, and pancake bag are up for auction for about 500USD which is a STEAL. Should be at least 900USD for all that.

Ends in about a day tho so hurry and bid if you want it.

>>8323451
chibitenshi is bidding on it so heads up to anyone who wants to bid that you're going against another western lolita
>aka be prepared to pay more than you think you would need to

Honey Cake is ruined for me. If you buy one used there is a chance you're wearing a dress Pixyteri once wore braless.

>>8323484
Don't worry anon, it's just the pink OP that you have to look out for.

>>8323461
Then let the bidding determine that? If the obviously bid under the BIN amount, and even if you bid your max and they still outbid hey, at least they aren't getting that much of a steal.

>>8323496
>TFW the pink op is the one you want
;__;

>>8323461
It's cool. Thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure to post pictures once it arrives.

>>8323584
Just use detergent with bleach alternative included then, I guess.

>>8317782
ngl, I genuinely can't tell iI really want Honey Cake because I like it or if I just want something popular.

>>8318938
I hated that print but definitely thought yellow was the best colorway and have no idea what cgl is smoking sometimes.

>capcha asks for burritos
>only offers eggrolls

>>8318315
Jesus christ. Not even anon, but calm down there.

>>8318142
Have you never gone on a second hand sales site?

>>8318547
I love drained cherry too! But then again I do have a soft spot for fruits..

>>8318717
Yeah I found this to be meh too.

>>8321220
CTP, Chocolate Rosette..... Misty sky?

>>8331179
I was going to include PC but then I thought that was on its own individual level.

This apparently was somehow popular in Japan

>>8331255
I like it, I'd wear it as a sundress.

>>8318717
I hate every cut of this except for the special set JSK and love it in red, lavender and black. It's the perfect balance of a little bit sweet and a little bit gothic. The flocking and chandelier motifs (I go crazy for chandeliers and candelabras) also add a slight classic vibe. I tend to like dresses that straddle the three main styles.

I don't like the pricetag on it unfortunately. I'd love the miniskirt for casual wear but not paying $3-500 for such a tiny thing. SO TEMPTED to get a replica as I don't want it for bragging rights. At least other lolita 'miniskirts' are still long enough to be in a lolita coord..

>>8331255

No, that's cute. What's truly baffling is that the OP sold out first. I was online about five minutes after it went up and the OP was already sold out while the jsk was still available.

>>8331275
I'm saying the whole series is not popular in the west. I'm not singling out the jsk.

>>8331255
It only sold out online, it's still available instore. Most likely it'll be restocked online in a few days once they've shuffled their stock.

>>8331293
Yeah but both cuts of the dresses sold out online within minutes. Pretty much no one in the west is hyped for this release.

>>8331286

Yeah, but the jsk is actuallly likeable. Some of the girls I've talked to are only put off by the pricetag and what they think will be a blood bath like every other AP release.

The OP, though. Universally met with "AP wtf" and "god eww".

And the OP sold out ahead of the jsk.

>>8331352
>what they think will be a blood bath like every other AP release.

Kek. These girls are stupid then.

>>8318938
>Not to mention the ivory colourway is still nearly retail (pink and mint are the cheapest ones).
I think because ivory didn't have any replicas? I could be wrong though

>>8331365

Nah, they're just not into AP, they don't bother with any AP releases at all.

>>8317985
As someone who has owned both a replica and the real deal, I can tell you now, anon, that the difference is super obvious. If you can't tell from photos (which you usually can) you can definitely tell in person.

I don't just think it's the quality of the dress either, something I've noticed about itas is that they don't fucking iron their dresses, so they end up looking even more shit.

>>8331275
I can see why people hate this. I can also picture some really fucking gorgeous OTT coords with it. Personally, I prefer the OP to the JSK.

Is Dream Sky another victim to the replica disease? I either don't see it for sale, or, when I do, it's not selling for much.

>>8331468
It only ever got ridiculous expensive in the navy colorway.
Maybe people figure, since it's such an easy print and design to replicate, that it's not worth shelling out that much money for the lesser popular colorways.

>>8331352
I don't understand why this print is so expensive, the JSK is 32k but isn't particularly full of details from what I can see or anything.

>>8331468
I've owned both the replica and the real deal anon. There are HUGE differences. The real one cost me around 350 with shipping, so I wouldn't say that it isn't selling for much.
I see it being sold at least a couple times a month.

So no I don't think it died of the 'replica disease', It's still popular just not so popular (in the west) anymore. Most people are into classic / class - sweet now, which I think is the issue.

>>8317782
I want it because it's cute. Plus I already have the bag and really need to get the dress to complete my set.

>>8321215
I almost had the trinity but then I sold some of it. No regrets!

>>8331182
PC? pastel-cutie? the anti-petticoat-chan with an army of crazy whiteknights?
saging because im a noob who can't figure out what print PC is supposed to stand for

>>8332069
Different anon, but I'm assuming they meant puppet circus.

>>8331270
Right? Perfect "around the house" dress when it's hot as fuck

>>8331336
Maybe because we know we wont get shit fighting on the website lmao

>>8331255
Perfection

>>8331519

I *think* it's because it's chiffon, and the solid parts maye be satin instead of cotton. Belle Epoque Rose was also satin and cost a bomb more than their usual.

Still rather pricey for such a simple dress, though.

>>8332075
Bingo!