/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Krad Lanrete is really overrated. I don't know why people throw money at them all the time. I own Mozarabic Chant and it was kind of disappointing. I'm not a fan of the fabric at all. Apart from the jellyfish dress, none of their stuff is particularly inventive and they're way overpriced.

the clean lines and exaggerated accesories of most modern lolita looks cartoonish to me. i prefer things with smaller size and more texture, rather than the giant chunky, blocky, print-centric style that currently dominates.

the oversized cartoonishness keeps lolita on the costumey end of the fashion spectrum.

>pic related, example of less-cartoonish lolita

>>8324657
compare to this, which is decidedly more dress-uppy and costumey. of these 2 outfits, one looks like a wearable daily fashion and the other looks cute but impractical, ideal for brief wear and needing frequent touch-ups.

Not related to lolita, sorry.

I hate when cosplayers go for a cartoony look instead of a "real life version of [x] character". Sometimes, if the style calls for it—like Borderlands—it works out but anime eyes and plain color blocks are just so bleh.

>>8324677
All unpopular opinion is fine.
I'll add to what you said.
Some shit doesn't translate well to real life. (like Nui's hair) and exaggerating it makes it look awful.
Just go for a real life as much as hospital.

>>8324657
^^^ This this this this. I'm in the same boat as you, anon. I try desperately to keep my silhouette like this.

>the generic lolita cupcake shape looks awful on nearly everyone
It makes people look like a balloon and fat people just sooo much fatter.

>most cuts too high look awful
I don't think lolita has to be so childish and cutesy. So many of the cuts on lolita make everyone look like they're wearing children's clothes. Don't get me started on AP.

I love OTT sweet.

I don't think a petticoat is always needed. I kinda like how some dresses look without the crazy poof. I know there's a silhouette that people follow (even though empire and sack dresses are breaking that mold), I like the more casual take that >>8324657 mentioned.

Also I hate crosses on clothing. I would've loved Holy Lantern if it wasn't for them. Religious motifs are a huge turn off for me, so as beautiful as Gloria or some of the really sought after prints are, I wouldn't buy them if I saw them unless I knew I could resell for profit.

>>8324680
Is this hair still bad in your opinion?
Not me, just wondering.

>>8324618

I don't like tha big prints
I can tolerate some, but these days ppl thinks bigger print=cutest dress
Looks so saturated

>>8324692
It's fine, this is what I see Nui in, not some big doughnut shit.
Also, I said hospital, I mean as possible, lol

>>8324692
Looks kinda good.

I hate sweet.
The chocolate sets are tolerable though.

>>8324692
>>8324694
This is actually how I see Nui too. I don't know why everyone thinks they need to put 10 gallons of glue in her hair.

>>8324694
I should add, although the curls are fine, the colour puts me off. Maybe if it weren't just a tad more yellower.

>>8324706
>weren't just a tad more yellower

>>8324706
>>8324711
Fuck, I'm losing my self.
I meant if it were a tad more yellower.

Another sweet hater here.

I guess it's not really an unpopular opinion anymore.

I can't stand cosplayers who make and sell glamour-shot prints. Action-shots where it truly feels like it's the character are cool.

I also hate pin-up.

>>8324716
Tad more yellow works better.

Bonus my opinions
>Hate Sweet, and now the girls who were super into sweet when it was on trend have moved to classic and are ruining it.
>Hate Lolitas who think they're the shit. The major comm in my country run events, andd th two girls running it are s far up their own arses it's tragic. They twin in full brandu to every event, and when they go to other events they demand shit from the organizers.
>I hate cosplayers who don't wear full makeup. Just wear it you shit for brains.
>Also feel like cosplayers who don't even try with contacts are being lazy.
>Guys with beards who CAN ONLY ever cosplay characters with beards need to gtfo. Your shitty facial hair shouldn't be your entire personality.

>I really wanna try some ero lolita with well loved brand pieces just to piss people off.

>>8324751
I don't mind piin up, if it suits the character. Like the DC bombshells are okay for pinup, but not your anime wifu

>>8324718
And it hasn't been for a long fucking time....

Every sweet hater is ~unique~ though. Aka "you guise I am like only gothic in my commmm!! All these other bitches are so awful and tacky omg but I'll still hang out with them because".

Yeah, ok, not all of them are like that but fuck.

>>8324645
I disagree on the fabric, but definitely agree about the dresses. I'm yet to see anyone coord the jellyfish dress or mozarabic chant very well. I don't know why everyone lost their shit over these dresses, but each to their own.

>>8324766
If it's good ero people will love you. Ero is a really underappreciated style and it's sad how no one knows how to do it right anymore. Like that lingerie girl from CoF. That was a total disaster.

Please, please do some good ero coords and prove that the substyle isn't dead.

>>8324858
Please, we do not want to hear arguments.
Opinion is opinion, oui.

I fucking love long sleeves, especially the ridiculously poofy princess sleeves. Most people think it's costume-y, I feel like royalty when I wear dresses with those sleeves.

>>8324766
>cosplayers who don't even try with contacts

B-but my optometrist said no...

>>8324657
Seems to be a growing opinion, and one I hold myself, anon. I like some modern prints, but very few are wearable for everyday fashion. There seems to be a resurgence of simple coords and renewed interest in going back to basics, so I think there's hope, anon. The brands might beg to differ, but hell, why do we let them govern the fashion so much? I know that sounds silly, since they supply the clothes, but brands shouldn't define an entire fashion. A fashion can exist exclusive of brands, there used to be a lot of handmade back in the day. You'd often get girls wearing their "own brand" or whatever. I'd love to see more handmade, and I'm going to start sewing again myself.

>>8324893
Wow I didn't realize discussion wasn't allowed

>>8324900
none allowed.
We here at seagull corporation only allow positive discussion. DISCUSS NICE, AND DO NOT HURT FEELINGS ^___^

>>8324916
Right?

>i want lolita to be less strict
No. I want it to morph and change, but stay strict. I actually fled back to lolita in the height of hipster and tumblr fashion because it looked so untouched by the outside world.

For those that don't follow gyaru, gyaru kind of died and became neo-gyaru, which is a hollow, tumblrfied shell of it's former self. Would you want neo-lolita by letting in current trends and letting it wash away an iconic look?

I fucking love OTT gothic. I need more of it.

So far I have not seen one good coord with Bodyline's Antique Clock.

>>8324936
Out of morbid curiosity, can you post a few pics of neo-gyaru?

I miss ganguro...

>>8324688
I have an IW dress that just doesn't look good with a petticoat IMO. I'll wear it with a slip for a little volume but I prefer it with out too much poof.

>>8324963
The title says opinion, not Obvious Truth.

I can't stand the blue haired Me!Me!Me cosplays. Hope it dies down soon. I like anime bait as much as any other but it is annoying.

>>8324968
Is it what Popteen and other red letter magazines post? More like Mote-kei?

I think Lolita is, at this point, not just a fashion style anymore. Before the uprise of OTT sweet something's could be passable as just dressing up and looking different, but not in so much of an outlandish way.
The use of wigs, contacts, prop accessories, and over the top prints seem to have really turned the fashion into outlandish costumes. so much of the culture is about who is famous and buying the next release and things like handmade items and simply styling your own hair are looked down upon often.
I remember being sad one time when I saw people choosing the buy a wig to wear with their dress before a petticoat.
Everything is just too over the top now, and that's sad.

>>8325003
I second this opinon. I'm newish to the fashion and I have trouble being convinced that this is fashion that people like to wear frequently, that it is something I could wear frequently. It all looks like pagentry to me.

>>8324968
Here's some examples I found.

>>I miss ganguro...
I love ganguro too, even if I'd never wear it myself. It kind of came back in spirit with Black Diamond, but that's just one gyaru circle and they seemed to do it for attention.

Since 2010, I have hated JNig with a firey passion until a couple months ago, when I watched her YouTube videos for the first time. Now she is my favorite cosplayer based entirely on her personality in videos. I don't know why, but I find her extremely endearing and want to be her best friend even if her cosplay is wretched. I didn't realize how much I needed an awkward as fuck dumb blonde in my life.

I love OTT sweet but also classic and OTT gothic and really i just like OTT jfashion and i want to look and feel like a gaudy-ass princess getting attention and looks and i see no problem with that and i have no problem with other girls attention whoring in public because thats kinda what wearing jfashion in the west is about at this point

I forgot to mention this earlier, but I also don't think a wig is needed every time. Yes, if I were to go to an event or post in CoF or a comm (I'm not currently in one yet) I'd maybe wear one, but I wish natural hair wasn't hated on so much. I don't want to be a sweaty mess.

Also I do wish cosplay wigs with lolita weren't so hated. I know its not traditional at all and can look absolutely awful, but I have a forest green wig that matches an outfit perfectly and I think it could be adorable with the right accessories.I think if its not obviously character specific it wouldn't look like shit.

>>8325035
I could absolutely get behind that yellow sunflower coord in the middle.

As for my unpopular opinion, I fucking hate Dolly Cat or whatever the new cat release is called. The cats are creepy af and the colors in the stock pics make the print look hideous. If they toned down the colors to more pastel, the print would look better.

>>8324897

Then you're a quitter. Just make your own by peeling the paint layer off of jumbo doll eyes. Who needs doctors?

I actually LOVE good pre timeskip Yoko cosplay. The poorly put together ones on girls that are too fat/didn't try/etc are obviously tiresome, but a Yoko with a good wig/body/is wearing gold lenses/etc is nice to see. I do really love the series (even though she isn't my favorite character), so I am probably a bit biased. I'd do it myself if I didn't have mild pectus/severly flared ribs that make me look like a freak.

>>8325274
That one is pretty cute as casual fashion, I def agree.

>those hipster glasses tho

>>8324897
That is literally from a doctor so that is fine. It's not like your cosplaying a character who has superbright eyes on purpose and say it's too much of a trouble for you to do contacts so then you don't do it at all, you have a doctor note

>>8325036
Good for you anon. Jessica is really chill, just don't come off stalkerish.

As for my opinion: I like hanging out with Maguma. He comes off intense at cons because he gets super pumped ADHD sugar rush, but outside of that it's fun. Even the rotom sweatshop for the skit that never happened was fun.

I fucking love flower crowns.

Not even remotely sorry.

They seem so innocent and floaty and fresh.

I feel pretty and girly when I wear it.

Fuck you.

I am so so so sick of the jfashion threads hunting down ancient terms for fashion styles that are so simple. It's honestly as bad as Tumblr's gender terms.
Just wear what you fucking like. Jesus.

Also siding with >>8325259 that cosplay wigs don't automatically make a coord terrible. I know itas that came from cosplay made this so big and hated, but really, what do you expect from an ita.

>>8324751
I wouldn't mind pin-up if people actually did it right. Most cosplay-pin-up pictures look so greasy and nasty.

>>8325003
>>8325015
I wear wigs because my hair absolutely would not be acceptable in lolita, but I agree with the rest. I have trouble looking at a lot of girls in my comm as fashion lovers rather than people who enjoy this one kind of costume.

Fat cosplayers are very often extremely attractive.

I hate when cosplayers use block colour,polyester-like, fabrics. I get that it's too make it look more 'cartoon/anime' but to me it just cheapens and lowers the quality of a costume. I wish more cosplayers would experiment with different fabrics and make something that looks more real-life equivalent

I loathe modern lolita trends and attitudes. It's becoming a costume and being invaded by efame-hungry assholes who make it a competition as to who can buy the newest releases and post worn pics of them first. I am so glad my local comm is free from this bullshit.

I think all of the recent trends are butt ugly.

All I can say that makes me happy is my favorite ott prints from 2011-2013 are becoming cheaper.

>>8325432
Me too anon. Let them hate.

I'm a plus girl and I'm pretty. My body might not fit in jfashion brand, but I rock a jersy knit skirt. I even look good in taobao lolita dresses made for my size.

In before >lose weight, land whale.

I think RinRin and Kimura U are ugly as fuck and I have no idea how they're models.

>>8324670
And then the girls who are dressed like that get offended when normal people think it's a costume.

I guess that's my unpopular opinion- I think that's totally understandable assumption so I won't get mad about it.

>>8325593
>jersey knit skirt
>so rori?

>>8324936
Neo-gyaru is fucking awful. I've been a gyaru since 2007 and I just had to quit because I hated NG so fucking much. It's rebellious, yeah, but it's still it looks so goddamn ugly and plain boring and lacks the energy and creativity of the traditional gyaru styles. They all look like dead hookers hooked on meth who got their clothes from a Goodwill donation box. Ugh.

>>8325599
I met Kimura U once and she was really really fake. I get that she's trying to keep up some sort of kawaii persona, but I really don't find her relatable at all. It was like she was constantly performing for her fans rather than actually trying to get to know them.

>>8324670
The only thing making this look costumey is the hair, to me? "Frequent touch-ups?" What... are you even talking about?

The idea that you can't cosplay something if someone else in your group is doing it at the same time pisses me off. It might not be a popular opinion on cgl, but in the outside world people take it so personally.

As I get older I see less of it, but there's always one.

>>8325684
I'm not surprised, she does give off a fake/try hard vibe. I find her "pinkest creator in da world!!1!" act so cringey.

I hate brolitas with a burning passion. They are just creepy neckbeards that need to get the unholy fuck out of the fashion. Every time i see one i feel physically ill.

It bothers me when non asian people use "chan" at the end of their names.

I find most Brand dresses to be ugly AF. I mch prefer some indie brands because they are more creative with their cuts and prints. I feel brands just throw anything together becaus there is always hundrads of girls wanting the new brand releases. Most of AP's new dress have been lazy, boring and all look the same. It's gone stale.

>>8325667
Couldn't agree more! It's like something scrapped from the bottom of the Tumblr barrel.

>>8325747
I'm so happy someone agrees with me. All my gyaru icons and friends are all over NG and keep going on how cool it is to look like you live in a dumpster. Fuck that, give me back my circle lenses, beautiful hairstyles, pretty clothes and creative coords. If I see one more homeless looking meth addict with purple, fried hair and brown roots I'm going to hurl. NG is a perfect example of a fashion just dying, giving up and allowing everything, ending up looking like an uncontrollable mess.

>>8325740
I wish I could find lolita in my size just to piss you off.

>>8325483
Holy shit that first point so much. I hate how everything has to fit under a label with jfashion. Like 'is this dolly kei or CPK?' who the fuck even cares? We can all tell what's jfashion and what isn't, so why do we need to be so anal about style specifics? It's like there's no allowance for creativity at all anymore in jfashion as opposed to western fashion, where it should be the other way.

I love sweet and OTT sweet or even classic-sweet (like how IW does it).

Those gaudy ruffles, bows and lace covered BtSSB dresses are my favorite. I don't care how 'costume' they look, I love it. Too bad I'm too tall to ever wear any of those.

Also I think too many people are overreacting with the OTT trends. It'll pass like all things will. I like seeing toned down coords for daily wear but most of the pictures you see online aren't those because people want to show off online. It's not that it doesn't exist, people just prefer to show off their fancy meet-up coord rather then their daily outfit.

I wish there were more longer bodices in the fashion, not only would they give a break from the high boob cuts only a few can wear, it would also satisfy my selfish need for more sweet dresses that don't like way too short on me.

>>8325611
I honestly don't get how people have the energy (stupidity?) to get upset by someone who obviously doesn't know better calling lolita a costume, especially the way most girls wear it these days. Like, look in a fucking mirror, you're wearing some weird shit compared to most. Wear even a nice-ish summer dress where I live, and you get asked what's the occasion.

>>8325708
Adjusting accessories, checking hair and make-up, basically looking to be photo-ready at all times as opposed to just wearing some clothes. The look of "I'm going out with a purpose of being seen and will rip all this shit off as soon as I'm home in a couple hours".

>>8325740
10000% agree about brand dresses often being fug. I don't care what brand whores think, indie/taobao stuff appeals to me far more often.

I think buying a great cosplay is better than making a shitty one yourself. Nobody gives a fuck how you made it, just how good it looks.

>>8325820
>being this new

>>8325824
>what is an unpopular opinion thread?

>>8325712
My group follows this idea as well. It causes a lot of friction when someone cosplays a character someone else has "claimed".

>>8325840
I know people who won't cosplay a character someone they know has done, EVER.

Which must seriously limit their pool I imagine?

Unpopular opinion: Girls using titties and genderbends and gijinkas to get likes and money aren't a big deal and it would be pretty cool to sjake J-Nig's hand. They've got cool jobs if they can take the pressure.

>>8325849
reminds me of the people who will dislike a show the moment it becomes popular or people they know start to like it

how petty can you be

I have nothing against black girls in lolita and cosplay but they always pile on tags like #blackulzzang, #blackgirlsrule, #cosplayingwhileblack and it irritates me. I get it, you have pride in your race.

>>8325611
This could be an acceptable "lolita-con" or "big-meetup" coord.
As everything else: there is a time and place for everything.

I do see however, the nostalgia for plain dresses.

>>8324618

>I like sweet
>I understand is hard to wear and screams for costume and eager looks from normalfags
>I still own one coord for the crazy days, the rest is plain toned-down dresses for a more elegant look.

I just can't sell my sweet coord. I enjoy it a lot, it has something that classic or gothic will never give me.

>>8325807

Sweet-lover here too! I fact, I love all styles.

There are some old-school long-bodiced dresses. I found one in closetchild, very cheap. You can identify them by looking at the waist. Instead of a plain direct connection to a cupcake skirt, the bodice must have a curve that connects to a skirt more down around the hip.

>>8325875
Also if you just stay off Tumblr and anime facebook groups it's basically impossible for masses to 'ruin' a show for you.

Heavy makeup is ugly, and I wish people would wear less of it. Very light and natural, to cover up blemishes, is okay, but anything more is ugly and creepy.

>>8324766
They key to ero is really simple. Would Audrey Hepburn wear it? If yes, it's ero. Ero lolita is about maturity and elegance, not erotism

I hate big prints. They look so tacky. I can deal with flower patterns and stuff like that, but those huge ass prints like >>8324670 look ridiculous.

>>8324766
I almost always make costumes with a mask or helmet so I don't have to shave my moustache huehue

>>8325432
I thought flower crowns were some tumblr sjw bullshit and that's why they garnered so much hate

I honestly don't see a problem with cosplay kickstarters. People especially lately are getting their panties in a twist over it, saying "don't be lazy, just save up money, it's just a hobby etc etc"
but honestly I don't think it's a whole lot different than a lot of things on kickstarter. Either way I don't see how it effects them at all? If anything it could only positively impact individual cosplayers, since if cosplay kickstarters became commonplace then it'd just mean that cosplayers have the option of having more resources for their costumes. Seems like a positive outcome to me.

I really like sallopettes

>>8324657
SO much this. I despair at the lack of simplistic styled but well made lolita on the market, and I'm honestly heartened to hear that people still handmake. Sounds like I should dust off my sewing machine.

>>8326469
They're cute, but they only look good on thin and small-chested people. They're really unflattering otherwise.

>>8325432
Same anon; I don't get the hateboner-by-proxy for them.

>>8326469
Me too. And I think they still count as lolita. I put them on par with casual coords.

>>8324657
This is fucking hideous, I know it's an unpopular opinions thread but I'm surprised so many people are agreeing. I like old school and toned down stuff but the pic you posted is ugly.

Im Asian and honestly I think that white people have better faces for cosplay than Asians. There's too much of a yellow fever boner for Asian cosplayers and people allow it to glaze over the shit makeup.

I think RWBY is shit.
The voice actors sound terrible, the dialogue is awful, it ended up being another shit school-based series and was such a huge letdown. The fight scenes are decent, but it's entirely dependent on fight scenes and character design.

RWBY sucks ass. I hate it because it's terrible.

I'm not bothered by people wearing Nazi uniforms to conventions.

As long as they're not handing out racist pamphlets or anything then I don't see a problem with them. I just figure they're another costume from Call of Duty or something.

>>8325804
It's because people wear jfashion to post it online, not just to go out and about their daily business. The main concern becomes "what do I tag this as so people that track that tag will see me and I'll get more reblogs and followers", not "is this a nice outfit" and something that looks good but doesn't fit into a specific style isn't conducive to efame unless you already have , a ton of followers.

>>8326535
This is very much my opinion.

>>8326535
RWBY?

>>8326535
how is this relevant to the board?

>>8325638
Troll, you need a book on common sense or you could simply learn how to read. There are many places I don't wear lolita because they're fucking disgusting. Like around children, because I'm a caretaker and children are walking, talking clothes ruiners.

On topic:
I love the Sugary Carnival OP... even though I'll never own it I like seeing it on others. The fact that its one of the most replicated prints bothers me a bit and is why I'll never purchase, even when I reach my goal weight.

>>8325432
I think the only time they're super stupid looking is when worn with a cosplay that isn't even in the same realm as needing a flower crown. Like AoT.

>>8326729
Oh I dunno, because everyone and their mother has cosplayed from it?

>>8325002
Sort of, neo-gyaru is like larme-kei but with a lot of onee elements if that makes sense. i think popteen moved in that direction but a lot of red-letter mags have shuttered and closed in the past couple years

bonus, my unpopular opinion: i prefer bob-length hair and wigs in lolita to the really long ones which are popular. i think a lot of girls look like they're being eaten by their hair when they're in too-large wigs

>>8325003
I think it's more like a subculture and less like a "just a fashion" now for sure. The stuff we reblog and give the most attention to is always stuff that's impossible for daily wear.

>>8325259
I think cosplay wigs are fine with lolita as long as it isn't actually "cosplay lolita," or whatever. Like if your forest green wig matches your dress, just wear it.

>>8326143
Wow, this dress has lovely construction for a baby dress.

Possibly unpopular and related opinion, Baby and Alice both have the ugliest bodices usually. They never seem to fit anyone correctly.

The praise and attention tumblr lavishes on black cosplayers is actually really fucking racist. The "OH MY GOD BEAUTIFUL AMAZING GORGEOUS GODDESS OF MY LIFE YOU ARE THE BEST COSPLAYER IN THE WHOLE WORLD EVERYONE MUST BOW DOWN TO THIS NUBIAN QUEEN" comments were flattering the first time, it got creepy, then irritating, then outright offensive.

fuck off, I'm just some scrub in a costume, don't use me to jerk off your white guilt boner

I love feminism, I love wearing my corsets and I fucking love homestuck. Come at me /cgl/

>>8327228
The black circle jerk pisses me off. Most of them are just doing it to have some sort of backup when someone calls them out on being racist.

>>8325807
I feel the same way. I love classic-sweet and I'm loving the OTT trend in it. I'm enjoying the trend and I'll probably still enjoy it when it leaves.

I think cgl is like the necessary evil to balance out the OTT though. Like with every trend there has to be those that want to see it end.

>>8327264
I'll break into your house and shit on your burando you cunt
just you wait

>>8326441
its literally a wreath of flowers that sits on your head. there's no symbolism behind it. who puts symbolism behind a fucking headband?

>>8327099
Zero fucks given. It's cute and its pretty. When I see a character wearing a flower crown I feel like they're granted a bit of serenity. Thane looked cute in a flower crown. Tali looks cute in a flower crown.

It's fucking cute.

>>8327363
Levi looks stupid as fuck in a flower crown.

I hate cosplays that are just civvies clothes. At least make an effort.

Or even worse "I bought this dress off eBay, what cosplay can I use it for lol"

>>8327384
everything from Attack on Titan looks stupid because Attack on Titan is fucking stupid.

>>8327384
That's the wonderful irony of it.

>>8325432
>>8327363
>>8327393

Anon pls you're killing me this is too cute

>>8327415
i have a whole set of them

was going to make a tshirt with the legion on it that said organics ain't shit but felt bad because the artist wouldnt get any revenue.

I'm getting bored with the bad cosplay and ita threads. Unless some drama happens in them, it's usually a bore fest of teens not knowing any better, eternal itas, and 'yeah but she's fat" pictures.

>>8325593
> I'm fat
>I even look good in

Why contradict yourself.

>>8327228
Seconding this. I hate how their white guilt makes them ironically use black people to make themselves seem "progressive" and jerk off their egos.

Might be kind of controversial, but I'd love it if you made a post like that in the black cosplay hashtag or something. It'd be fun to watch them absolutely go into a cold sweat over upsetting you. You might actually have thoughts and feelings.

>>8326552
I feel like it's disgraceful and disrespectful because it's intertwined with antisemitism and acts of utter human disgust. However, I can understand where you're coming from.

It depends how lively the memory of WW2 lives in your country/community. It would never be accepted here, but I get that in countries like the US where there haven't been people that were deported to concentration camps in Germany.

>>8327317
tfw you don't have brand.

>>8327228
I hate when people do that to me for J Fashion. If the first thing in a compliment is "Nubian cocoa chocolate goddess" and you aren't paying attention to my outfit I do get a little ticked. I don't need racial approval like that what are you trying to cover up.

>>8327497
No deported to concentration camps in Germany but there was a huge scare of Americans againts German, Japanese and Italian Americans living here. Many Japanese families on the west coast were taken to our own concentration camps which, are in no way at all comparable to Germany's.

>>8326552
Nazi uniforms might be a sort of red flag around the US but I think dressing like a Japanese Kamikaze would affect them more since most Americans remember Pearl Harbor or are taught about it more than the years leading up to it with Germany's take over of territories.

If I see them I'm usually oh, huh, must be from a comic or like you said, COD or some other game. I don't really think too much of it since Nazi's are so prominent in pop culture and media now a days.

>>8324618
I have no problems with chubby lolitas. A lot of times people have this body type that's hard to get around no matter how hard you work out or diet so I see no problem with just letting someone feel pretty as long as its a good coord.

There are some that it's just because of plan laziness, and while there are some who have illnesses, a lot of it has to do with you're structure. I feel more so sad for them than disgust.

As long as the person looks like the character, and the costumes are good I actually really like Superwholock at my anime conventions. The older ones that aren't 15 year old tumblr tards are really a chill bunch of people. Seeing things like the weeping angels or the ood is awesome even though it's not done as much as say the Doctor/Sherlock/Castiel bunch.

>>8325740
Same. There's a few brand dresses that I like, but I wouldn't kill for. Most of the things on my wishlist are from taobao.

>>8327228
This. It's just so dehumanizing that they don't focus on the person's coordinates or give them advice to improve, they just praise them as the beautiful cocoa goddess and everyone who doesn't like it is a dirty racist. I also hate it when especially gyarus and some edgier cosplayers act like they're black while being the whitest wonderbreads the suburban upper middle class has to offer. Typing like they're on black twitter, complaining about "white people" and making "white people" jokes, even fucking complaining about how scary white people are and how they look shit in gyaru. They whine about cultural appropriation when someone eats sushi, but what the everloving fuck is this supposed to be then? They're just wiggers of the 2010's suffocating on their white guilt.

I fucking hate anime. Literally everything about it annoys me; everything. I'm also not a big fan of Japan and Japanese things (beyond lolita) in general. I don't so much as actively hate it as I just really could take it or leave it.

>>8327497
I was completely with you until you said you could see someone in a Nazi uniform getting a pass in the US. This is definitely not the case--public opinion would agree more with your first paragraph. Of course, the US is a large and diverse country and we have many neonazis so I could see those folks having no issue with it.

>>8328538
what do you hate about anime? I'm genuinely curious.

>>8328411
I hate I cannot even complain when I meet a tumblirta irl trying to to the same to me, because then I'm tagged as racist for not accepting that "different colors" should be supported. I end up tagged as self-racist or something weird.

>>8327363
Lold

Tumbr would put symbolism to anything, specially one sex, race or/and age related

Lolitas are definitely bitches. Drama is the secret lifesblood of lolita. I've never seen a community, outside drama comms themslves, so absolutely parched for it where they just perch for the latest thing and ravage it.

>hate it because i love the fashion, but don't want to go solo over that
>don't always hate things like this board, just Some People

>>8325747
>>8325774
third anon chiming in, I hate neo gyaru as well. It feels like the true essence of gyaru is gone now...

>>8325532
You must be fat yourself and make yourself think this so you can feel slightly better about yourself?

>>8325593
You're the kind of person that made people hate flower crows tho..

>>8328562
Could you explain that again?

>>8328556
You will get arrested for wearing a swastika symbol here in The Netherlands. I'm not sure if you'd get arrested in the USA for wearing one. Freedom and everything. That's what I meant, the USA is a little more tolerant about that right?

>>8325532
>I ruined the one body I get in life so now everyone must love it or else I have to realize how much I've fucked up and how my lack of discipline is literally killing me

>>8328564
i use tumblr. i'm one of those filthy ess jay dubble u's. ya know, because i think you should treat people politely.

>>8328741
In the US, you'd get a lot of nasty looks, and it's possible that some businesses will refuse to service you, but I don't think anyone would call the police based on your outfit alone.

>>8328670
I figured it was some chubby-chaser guy. The kind that buys the Pochaco figures.

>>8328928
>has pochaco figurine
>is girl
>mfw

>>8324766

>Hate Sweet, and now the girls who were super into sweet when it was on trend have moved to classic and are ruining it.

cough cough... girlyhoot
definitely agree there

>>8324618
I don't know why but I don't like Midori at all. I know she's popular but god, her face is so ugly compared to the other models imo.

>>8328741
But the hammer and sickle are fine, I assume.

>>8329219
So you dislike her because she's ugly?

>>8325035
that shit just looks like stuff that teens over here wear regularly (I'm from the UK) I don't get how that is gyaru at all

my unpopular opinion:
LESS BABYDOLL CUTS/EMPIRE WAISTS
more poof! I love the lolita shape of a thin bodice, then a poofy dress flaring out! I know it seems to be dying, but I really love poof

>>8329229
Oh I agree. Babydolls/empire waists look terrible on most people. Even if you're tiny, you might look fat/pregnant.

>>8328741
This is bullshit. I have a ton of things with swastikas on them that my dad brought me back from Asian countries. How unfair that entire cultures of people can't use their own symbols anymore.

>>8329219
I think Midori looks pretty, at least a hell of a lot better then RinRin looks.

>>8329238
they're backwards though.

Trend chasers are why everything cosplay related is now shit.
Anime is shit because it is more accessible to normalfags who think they are ~otaku~ for liking cute anime girls.
Cons are shit because there is more focus on TV shows and movies.
tumblr are the closest thing to non-trendsters into cosplay and that pretty much shows how far we've fallen.
Sweet lolita has been ruined by the girls involved who are either stuck up cunts or spineless wallflowers.
Most of the people into lolita now are normalfags who shouldn't be at a convention because 'J-Fashion' has become increasingly westernized.
K-Pop and Korea has absolutely nothing to do with conventions and should disappear altogether.
If you complain about fat sweaty BO neckbeards then you don't belong in a convention and should go home.
I would rather be surrounded by fat/autistic/fujoshi/annoying weebs than attractive cosplayers who only go to be seen.
Yaoi paddles, glomps and free hugs are fine (and I've been injured by all three more than once).
There are too many "-Kei"'s to the point where nobody can put an original spin on an outfit without falling into ____-Kei.
Brolitas are creepy as fuck and I don't blame lolita girls for shunning them.
Cosplaying a character of a different skin color looks weird an not-accurate and no amount of racial guilt will change that.
If you're fat, you're not beautiful either - you're just fat. Either accept it or change it, just don't lie about it.
I think Asian cosplayers actually only get it right half the time, they're not as good as people think.
Nazi cosplay is fine as long as it is relevant to an anime, same with other nationalistic cosplays or anything 'offensive'.

>>8329238
Swastikas shouldn't be worn, except in the usage of period representation, such as films. It shouldn't be displayed around children without constant and repetitive emphasis on the crimes of the Nazi regime, and a complete condemnation of racial/ethnic genocide. At conventions, alterations to a costume should be made to replace the swastikas with something blander. The swastika should only come up in conversations that do not turn it or the Nazi uniforms into a fashion statement.

Btw, Hugo Boss designed the SS's uniform, and they while they may have been stylish, but they failed in the practical implications.

The Swastika is used buy Asian cultures because they are Eastern cultures, not Western cultures. The Nazi's had more direct impact on the West, where as Japan stood in their place within the East. This is the same thing as Chinese nationals taking offense to some imaginary and propaganda related to the Japanese occupation.

To put it bluntly: they use the Swastika as a fashion piece, like the cross. Most are not Christains, most are not Nazis. To them, it is just ornamental.

In EU, where the Swastika is outlawned, they now use the U.S. Confederate flag to represent their Neo-Nazi affiliation.

So, yeah. No, it shouldn't be used as part of entertainment.

</sjw unpopular opinion>

>>8329487
implications=applications
outlawned=outlawed

the whole "fat acceptance" trend on tumblr makes me (as a chubby girl) really uncomfortable. I never really hated my body before, but tumblr's absolutely disgusting oversexualization of chubby/fat girls has made me revolted by my own body. Seeing fetish art of chubby girls makes my stomach turn and I sometimes have a hard time looking at my own reflection.

>>8329556
>thinking tumblr invented BBW
>not being able to cope with people sexualizing bodies like your own, which pretty much every woman has to put up with
Sounds like you have other issues than the fat acceptance.

>>8329487
Or Swastika are used in Asian culture because they're a god damn piece of their actual religious culture and is common in clothing motives to begin with. It's far from uncommon to find it on kimono or decorative paintings linked to buddhism. Nazis appropriated swastikas, it's important to teach people than Swastikas are not ONLY linked to Nazis but actually have a strong spiritual meaning in Asia.

>>8329375
>K-Pop and Korea has absolutely nothing to do with conventions and should disappear altogether.
I tought I was the only one

>>8329375
>>8329598
My niggas. Koreaboos are cancerous.

>>8329487
The Nazi swastika was adapted from Eastern religious symbol. Swastikas you see in Asia are likely Buddhist in origin. Hitler adjusted the swastika so it sits diagonally and the arms face the opposite way. So swastikas in Asia are a religious symbol, not a Nazi or fashion symbol.

>>8329223
Yeah. Also shouting things such as 'Heil Hitler' or 'Fuck the King' will get you at least fined. Freedom of speech goes a long way but it isn't total freedom here.

>>8324936
This this this.

I love the strictness of lolita. Outfits look so cohesive when the follow the rules.

>>8325667
I agree. It's so lifeless and plain...

>>8329487
>Fascism is awful!
>Ban the use of their symbols except in the context I deem appropriate!

Not even a drop of self awareness.

I'm Jewish with holocaust fleeing relatives and I still don't hold the same opinions as you. Maybe having family members die to a fascist regime is truly the only way to recognise it.

i wish lolitas would take off their damn glasses for photos. unless they're the dainty wire-rimmed kind or/or perfectly round, it ruins otherwise good coords

>>8329487
Hugo Boss didn't design SS uniforms, they had the license to produce them like many other factories

>>8329786
Without glasses, I have noticeable lazy eye, and they don't make contacts in a high enough power for me.

If I took off my glasses, people would bitch about my lazy eye. It feels like kind of a lose-lose situation.

Which is the lesser of two evils? Glasses (my frames are light tan) or being cross eyed in every photo?

>>8329229
>that shit just looks like stuff that teens over here wear regularly (I'm from the UK) I don't get how that is gyaru at all
Yyyyup it really looks like the shitty supposedly "grunge" stuff that's been on trend lately. I don't see how you can even tell this is alt-fashion, since that sort of "alt" look has been so mainstream lately.

Himekaji still looks a little like the older styles of gyaru in the make-up, the slight tan, etc, but it's very conformist and seems to have lost the rebellious edge.

>>8329487
>Swastikas shouldn't be worn, except in the usage of period representation, such as films. It shouldn't be displayed around children without constant and repetitive emphasis on the crimes of the Nazi regime, and a complete condemnation of racial/ethnic genocide. At conventions, alterations to a costume should be made to replace the swastikas with something blander. The swastika should only come up in conversations that do not turn it or the Nazi uniforms into a fashion statement.

How ironic that someone so opposed to fascism would believe in something as fascist as the censorship of a geometric shape. This is not progressive thinking, not in the slightest.

More people have been wiped out through systematic decimation in the name of Christianity than Nazi Germany could ever hope to achieve, therefore the Cross should be outlawed. If you apply your censorship logic here then you are suggesting that there is a historical cut-off point when people need to 'get over it' or stop caring about the genocide of their ancestors. You would then have to decide upon an arbitrary period of years that must be passed before symbols once used to represent hateful ideologies (Crosses, Swastikas) are no longer offensive. The question then is: How long is that period of years, under what conditions is it dictated and who is in charge of deciding this figure and why?

It is of course, stupid and silly to think like this. The Swastika is a logo used by a German political party which eventually ran amok and attempted to eradicate several races of people. This had been attempted before in contemporary history and debatably, afterwards too. By forcing the Swastika into taboo you only empower the people who use it as a tool to shock and offend, the people who use it as a megaphone to voice their hate speech because they know that heads will turn and people will listen when they fly it on a flag.

>>8329796
glasses

>>8329909
I agree with you. This is a good post.

>>8329796
Maybe you could take off your glasses and do a wink when someone asks for a picture? Or just pose so you don't notice that eye too much, having the other face towards the camera/person.

>>8328561
Like I said everything. I don't know what it is but everything about Anime makes my teeth itch; I just hate it.

>>8329598
Nah I feel the same

I respect lolitas that live in poverty because they use all of their money to fuel their lolita hobby. I think it is the ultimate commitment to the hobby to give up all other luxuries and general material things for lolita. It kind of reminds me of Beau Brummel spending all of his money on clothes and tailoring, and dying a pauper, but a damned well dressed one.

I wish I could give up some of my everyday stuff to afford more brand, but I know I just couldn't do it.

I love cosplay, but I just can't make myself like Lolita.

I know it's not sexual, but for some reason whenever I see it I can't help but think that the concept of twenty-somethings dressing up as 10 year old girls is something that most people deposit straight into the spank bank.

Lacy, feminine clothing is fine with me, but the full-on lace blouse, hoop skirt, blouse, wig, etc. just squicks me a bit. And it sucks because I know that ya'll put so much work and cash into it, and I wish I could appreciate it, but I just ... can't.

>>8329796
Simple, get cute frames.

>>8329556
Believe me, anon. Long-time E.D. here, and I know how it feels to look in the mirror and just feel sick.

I don't think you should feel ashamed for being a little chubby or having some extra weight. The "fat acceptance" movement has that part right; that you shouldn't hate yourself for having thicker thighs or a tummy, or even being a few pounds overweight!

That being said, the FA movement claiming that being so overweight that basic functioning becomes a problem is "beautiful" is bullshit.

>>8329579
I don't think tumblr invented bbw, it was just where I experienced it most; plus it's that tumblr culture of "Omg beautiful full bodied princess!!!!" and like the calling attention specifically to the weight when a woman may very well be beautiful for other reasons. I don't have a hard time finding chubby girls beautiful, it's that they're not beautiful BECAUSE they're chubby, and tumblr treats them as though that is the reason they're beautiful. So it's not the specific sexualization of bodies, it's that it feels like they're overcompensating to the point where it becomes even worse. Though I'm not entirely sure if that makes sense, and maybe it's a sense of annoyance tied in with it all.

I prefer real hair to wigs. On every one. Doesn't matter the hair color. The style is what matters.

>>8330348
>I know it's not sexual, but for some reason whenever I see it I can't help but think that the concept of twenty-somethings dressing up as 10 year old girls is something that most people deposit straight into the spank bank.

I highly, highly doubt "most people" put lots of layers of clothing into the spank bank. In fact, most people think "little bo peep" when they see lolita and many lolita can attest to that.

wtf is wrong with you

>>8330414
kek, glad I'm not the only one irrationally angry over that post. Really not understanding how 'lacy, feminine clothing' is neutral, but additional layers of fussy historical detail will turn it into masturbation material.

Also, cosplay has become synonymous with exhibitionism and voyeurs. How is dressing up in skimpy costumes and running around in public any less 'squicky' to you then girls wearing elaborate, ruffly dresses on their own time and with their friends? Seriously, I know you've acknowledged the unpopularity of your opinion, but the rationale doesn't make any sense to me.

>>8330450
>>8330414
While I disagree with that person's attitude as well, normies tend to think anything out of the ordinary must be sexual-related and kinky.

>>8330462
Well yeah, everyone gets that. It's just weird how someone could claim to understand lolita fashion isn't sexual, yet dislike it because they perceive it as sexual...when it's not..? If they had that attitude about the 'soft sister' style I'd understand, but hoop skirts and ruffled blouses?

>>8330450

I meant more that I know lolitas don't intend for it to be sexual, but it kinda is. I mean, the fact that it shares a name with a novel that's about a grown mans obsession with underage girls says something.

>>8330550
>I mean, the fact that it shares a name with a novel that's about a grown mans obsession with underage girls says something.
This is literally the only reason why you think it's sexual, isn't it?

lol Fuck off.

>>8330570

That, and, again, the fact that it's grown women dressing up as little girls to embody innocence.

Again, I don't think you do it because it gets you off. I just think that it's really stupId to pretend that there isn't some kind of sexual connotation with the fashion style.

>>8330581
I mean, I get the argument that it's women dressing up like little girls for some sweet outfits but classic and gothic are literally nothing like that.

>>8330581
>dressing up as little girls
I'm honestly getting so sick of seeing this line of reasoning. Lolitas, do you feel you're dressing up as a 'little girl' when you put on an elaborate 200 dollar dress covered in ornate lace and trimmings? Little girls haven't dressed in anything resembling current lolita fashion in hundreds of years. Sure, OTT sweet is what it is, and bordered on infantile for a brief period, but that doesn't reflect the entire style, which is more about elegance than looking like a child.

Anyways, it's pointless arguing this. Get bent.

>>8330581
>>8330598

>>8330624 already said what I was going to post and even worded it better than I could've.

If it's OTT sweet you don't like then yeah, that's not an unpopular opinion. No point in discussing this further.

>>8330598
>>8330624
>>8330581
Anyone who thinks that Lolitas dress as "little girls" doesn't know what they're talking about. When I was a little girl, do you know what I wore every day? T-shirts and overalls. It's a little difficult to run around on the playground in a $200 fancy dress, jewelry, and petticoats.
I don't get how wearing anything pink or "cute" is intended to make you look like a child. Why is it "wrong" or fetish-y for adults to like cute things like bears and unicorns? Is everyone just supposed to wear beige business suits over the age of 25?

>>8330624

>I wore shorts as a kid, so obviously you're wrong

Lace, frills, and puffs like those found in lolita are similar to dolls, which, believe it or not, are often modeled after little girls and their formal clothing.
If you really think that Lolita has nothing to do with emulating little girls, you're retarded.

>>8330636

Puffy, frilly, lacy clothing is definitely something that little girls are into, holy christ. Have you ever met a child? My nieces would wear bright pink puffy princess dresses every day if they could.

No one is saying that adults can't be into kid things, just that there is something intently kind of weird about a fashion subculture that takes elements usually reserved for old fashioned children's fancy clothing.

>>8329219
I think Midori looks pretty. Think it's really just personal preference. Misako on the other hand.. Has a creepy soulless stare

>>8330655
They are also into multi-color mohawks though, but that's not something we really associate with young girls. Not saying that young children don't adore the sparkly princessy stuff, just that people's association of children with lolita is more rooted in societal assumptions.

>>8325547
Was here to post the same. OTT plus theme = costumey. Combine that with these girls only wearing it for cons, it just seems like lolita is turning into a fucking cosplay instead of a street fashion.

Also hate 90% of all e-famous lolitas. Not jelly, I don't even want to be e-famous or well known, I just think the fame hunger is responsible for the recent direction. Also I refuse to treat anyone like a goddess because they have a ton of spare cash to afford tons of clothes and put it on themselves.

>>8330655
Ack, everyone is into frilly, lacy clothing. That gets beaten out of us when we grow up and have to become "working women" though.

>>8330624
Not the anon you're replying to, but I'll be devils advocate here. I think the only thing that makes it appear like little girls dresses are that the cuts can be ill fitting and look like full grown women are wearing a dress cut for a child (a large one at that), especially with the tubular bodices and high waists. Or because they can be so elaborate and princessy that people feel like only a child would desire to look that way. I'm thinking sweet lolita gives off this vibe most of all.

It wasn't uncommon for women to wear the same silhouette of lolita, with petticoats, frilly ankle socks, lacy blouses and embroidered cardigans with some mary janes only a few decades ago. Womens clothing these days has become either very androgynous, baggy and shapeless or extremely revealing that normies don't associate a super feminine yet modest appearance with being womanly, but instead as being childlike because typically little girls don't want to look like an ad for American Apparel. I guess being sexualised is synonymous with looking like a woman now, and to not exhibit yourself this way makes you a weird sexual deviant because women are apparently inherently sexual in the way we present ourselves to others.

>>8330649
>>8330655
Ok... but you failed to answer the second part of my post. And maybe this is a question that isn't possible to be answered but I've been wondering about this since I got into Lolita..
Apart from societal expectations, is there legitimately any reason why lace and frills should be reserved for little girls only? Is there any reason why wearing OTT prints should be reserved for young children only? I can understand why explicitly "baby" prints such as Dreamy Baby Room and the like would be, but what, if anything, is inherently infantile about lace and ribbons?

>>8330337
Define "poverty".

>>8330683
>street fashion
There aren't a lot of streets in the world where western lolitas can easily wear lolita, anon. That's why meets are such a huge thing in the west - we don't live in a country the size of California with mass transit that will get us to a major city with a huge fashion scene within a few hours. So if we want to wear lolita comfortably we have to arrange a meetup, or go to cons, and if we're paying to be there we might as well look fucking fabulous.

>>8330337
Was gonna ask what >>8330914 did, I can't tell if you mean "strict budgeting" or actually depriving themselves of essentials.

I'm a student, and I gave up other hobbies and I only spend £15-20 a week on food and toiletries. Rent's £115, things like mobile phone contract etc add up to £10 a week, so I'm left with about £70 a week for lolita. Could go lower on food and shit but I like being able to have fruit and vegetables and nice soaps. But I know people that live like that and have no money left over for hobbies anyway - I got a quite large amount of loan and bursary.

scene needs to make a comeback

>>8330992
X2

boxxy needs to quit that animal hosting gig she has and should be a convention promoter

>>8331005
boxxy?
havent heard that name in a while
what shes doing these days?
animal hosting??

>>8331016
http://animalist.com/host/catie-wayne/

>>8331016
you know how many mid-20's/late 20's guys would HNNG at a woman who just randomly did this today

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pctbu0XWlZw

>>8330992
Scene most certainly does not.

I find it cute seeing little 13-year-old emo kids though, but it's so fucking embarrassing on anyone older than 15 or 16.

>>8325003
While I dislike that too, that's just something that mostly applies to the internet.

For every e-fame hungry Lolita there are enough normal toned down mature Lolitas not sticking on every last trend on ther OTT outfit to get notes on tumblr. Sure, you'll have to follow popular trends to get likes on CoF or followers on tumblr but outside that? No one gives a fuck.

I fucking hate prints with the brand names on it, even if it is just very sublte and tiny, it still ruins the print to me and it makes me feel like an walking advertisement. It also doesn't help that most brand names are tacky as fuck or in cringeworthy Engrish or French. It's so fucking embarassing, I avoid these prints at all costs.

>>8329796
>>8330352

>>8324645
I hate Lost in the sea. It's so tumblrina, and the high waist is really unflattering on everyone.

Although I don't mind seeing pictures of guys with beards or whatever in lolita, in real life I hate having any brolita that isn't at trap-like levels of passing at a meetup because it gives the wrong idea to normalfags and makes the group look bad. At the very least they have to be the same age as the girls in the comm, and passable from a distance.

>not sure if this is actually just a popular opinion because IRL the girls in my comm are so keen on being non-discriminatory they won't say anything like this

>>8331267
I agree with you anon. Thankfully both of my comm's Brolitas are passable to very cute.

Idk if it is an unpopular opinion but I'd hate to have a bearded Brolita at out meet ups. Not only makes us look even more bad and increases shouts/stars/rude behaviour, I also feel like this is some first grade attention whoring.
>"LEL LOOK AT ME I HAVE A BEARD! I'M A DUDE!! BUT I DRESS IN FRILLY PINK CLOTHES ISN'T THAT IRONIC OMG SO EPIC XD"
It's like cosplaying a "sexy version" of a normal cosplay or adding cleavage/miniskirts to everything. It just screams "LOOK AT ME!!!" and gives off the wrong impression.
Lolita is about elegance, maturity and looking feminine. So gtfo with your shitty beard.

Not to mention tht it's obvioulsy bating the SJWs.
>can't say anything against it because "muh discrimination" and "muh gender roles"

>>8331278
>>8331267
I think it's an interesting look so apparently I hate it much less than the rest of /cgl/, but although it looks good in pictures I don't want it at meetups because it's inconsiderate to the group.

>>8331267
>>8331278
Pretty sure that's a popular opinion people don't usually share with strangers because they will get attacked for it. Like saying you don't like the way hiyabs with lolita or are embarrassed by ham planet sized lolitas.

>>8328538
Me too. The thing I hate most about anime is how it turns normal people in to obnoxious weebs with horrible humour and way of acting. Like when I meet somebody new, I can tell by their gestures and humour whether they watch anime. If it wasn't for that I probably wouldn't care.

>>8331285
Well I find most brolitas creepy but I think as long as they're coordinated right hijabs and hamplanets are fine. There are plenty of normalfag hamplanets so normalfags don't think having fat girls in your group is weird.

>>8330348
This is a pretty popular opinion with people outside the fashion. I mean, we just had that whole debacle with Midlifecrisis-chan. Why post this? You're igniting the flames of literally half the board.

>>8330348
I love Lolita, but I just can't make myself like cosplay.

I know it's not sexual, but for some reason whenever I see it I can't help but think that the concept of twenty-somethings dressing up as 14 year old anime girls often heavily sexualized to cater to some neckbeard otakus is something that most people deposit straight into the spank bank.

Watching anime is fine with me, but making a cosplay, the full-on circle lenses, heavy make up, wig, etc. just squicks me a bit. And it sucks because I know that ya'll put so much work and cash into it, and I wish I could appreciate it, but I just ... can't.

>>8324766
>Guys with beards who CAN ONLY ever cosplay characters with beards need to gtfo. Your shitty facial hair shouldn't be your entire personality.

Almost all the guys I meet at cons with beards are obnoxious douchbags. They act like hipster dudebros and like they're above everyone else because I guess they feel like their beard makes them more manly and mature than all the young weebs. Even if they act nice this is always the vibe I get. It's even worse when they do joke cosplays, especially crossplays, with their beard.

My bet is that they refuse to shave because they have terrible jawlines.

Also, bara sucks, get over it.

>>8331384
I know you're just making a joke, but
>twenty-somethings dressing up as 14 year old anime girls often heavily sexualized to cater to some neckbeard otakus
That line just struck a chord in me.

>>8331384
I kekked.

>>8331267
I think this opinion is more popular for sure. Everyone is so scared of being hounded for being a "bigot" that they either join the hugbox and pretend to be cool with it, or they keep their mouth shut.

Thing is, I actually find the constant mindless praise given to people from oppressed groups really patronising and coddling. It's hollow and fake if the only reason you're getting so much love is because you're marginalised.

I welcome people thinking about their natural biases and adjusting according: so I'm fine with people going "do I think this coord is ugly because of her race/ size, or is it genuinely ugly?" because that's just something that's good to do so you can judge a coord on merit; but "omg the person wearing this is black/ fat MUST PRAISE" is pointless. The balance has swung waaaay too far over because people are too stupid/ lazy to critically analyse their behaviour and instead default to putting people on a pedestal, which is basically benevolent bigotry. You're still "othering" the person, even if it's in a positive way.

>>8329944
>>8329786
Oh please don't do a wink. That is so cringe-inducing.

I recommend getting several cheapo glasses from Zenni Optical with nice, delicate designs in colors that match your outfits.

>>8331029
Wow.. This is. Huh, okay. She looks quite different.

>>8325432
m-muh husbando

I love clubby cosplayers so much, and would love to see more of them.

everyone is /cgl/ has their head so far up their ass because they like the smell of their own shit.
like some threads are decent but so many threads keep devolving into these massive arguments where everyone is shitting on each other for not having the same opinion and for not being as good as someone else.
/cgl/ is basically who's dick is bigger

>>8332043
that's just the internet in general
my dad literally gets death threats because he has a different opinion than some neckbeards on facebook
that said he acts like a giant manbaby online and is a massive SJW, it's so embarrassing. Both sides are equally embarrassing.

>>8330624
>it's pointless to argue this

>I quit the argument first I win

>>8332073

>goes to unpopular opinion thread
>gets angry at unpopular opinions

>>8330701
I don't like frilly clothing.

>>8332087
Nah I'm not angry myself, I just read that whole argument, thought it was funny and commented on it

But I agree with you there, I thought it was ok to voice unpopular opinions ITT without worrying about an argument, but this IS 4chan I suppose

>>8330701

"It's society's fault that dressing up like a child is kind of creepy!"

Yeah, it's so unfair that the world expects you to act your age.

/cgl/ has gone to shit ever since tumblr girls realized they can shittalk each other anonymously

conventions have gone to shit ever since normies realized they can shit up the place and turn it into a popularity contest.

I would rather hang out with a bunch of actual autists and real neckbeards (with BO) than the politically correct squad of fat cunts that inhabits this board

>>8332109
So would classic lolita be considered child-like?

>>8332115
Then go to /r9k/. Their beardly odor will keep you warm at night.

I will admit that /cgl/'s gone to crap since the Tumblrkin came in, but prior to that was drama and tripfags. Pick the lesser poison.

>>8332123

Shit like pic related, yeah.
I'm not saying that all lolita looks like wannabe children, some of it does mange to look pretty elegant; usually ones with darker colors and simple patterns.

>>8332134
It's the bonnets, really.

That's my unpopular opinion. I hate bonnets in lolita. Straight path to ageplay, every time.

>>8332127
>Tumblrkin vs Tripfags
One is easily filtered. The other isnt. Not even a contest.

>>8332115
I'm with this 1000%

>>8329598
Me too

I hate circle lenses on 90% of cosplayers and 100% of people wearing them for fashion. They're creepy and inappropriate for most characters over the age of like 12.

>>8332115
Agreed. I just hang out with my small group of real life friends and we mock and deride all the mainstream douchebags, go to theme parks instead of cons, and save our cosplays for Halloween.

I hate it when people ask me for cosplay advice. Look it up or figure it out yourself, that's how others learn you lazy bums.

>>8332136
How do people make the connection between bonnets and ageplay? I don't see it at all. You could maybe argue that soft bonnets look a little babyish, but it's grasping at straws.
People can not like things without playing the "ageplay" card, it's old. Unless you're wearing Dreamy Baby Room and carrying a rattle, it doesn't make sense.

>>8332352

How... how is a grown woman wearing a bonnet not creepy to you.

>>8332369
How IS it creepy to you? It's not far off a really elaborate, fancy hat.

>>8332369
Adults have worn bonnets quite a bit through history, and considering the inspiration for lolita fashion it makes sense that bonnets are a thing.

I just think that, because mainstream fashion hasn't used bonnets for a while now beyond infants clothing (though I don't even see much of that either), people tend to forget.

>>8332481
Even then though, when women wore bonnets, you had your hair tucked into it with only the bangs/maybe side showing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've only seen children with their hair spilling out.

>>8332486
I think for the most part you're right, no doubt a modesty thing (if I recall, it was because of religious stuff). Dolls with bonnets had their hair down usually so I'm imagining that's where bonnets and fluff come in for lolita.

>>8332481
>>8332467

Because, in modern times, bonnets are pretty much used exclusively for babies and toddlers

>>8332500
I don't think I've ever seen a baby in a bonnet. Is this some cultural thing I'm not aware of?

>>8332501

You don't see it as much anymore but it used to be normal. What country are you from?

>>8332501

Bonnets aren't really commonly used much more, I'd say they've been out of style for the past few generations. But, yeah, before that, bonnets were totally a baby thing.

>>8331135
ugh what is /cgl/'s obsession with these frames that ppl can only suggest this type of frames in all the glasses threads we've got so far
they don't look good on virtually anyone and you end up looking like either Harry Potter or the grandma from Looney Tunes gdi

>>8332841
It's because there are so many pictures of perfect Japanese models wearing them.

I fucking hate it when people type like ~edgy tumblrites who just don't care~ like this asshole. >>8332841

>>8333227
That's not an unpopular opinion.

>>8330348
I smell subtle taste of salty bait.

Someone in my comm crossplays all the time, and all the comments he gets on FB is "omg so cute" "adorable", etc., and it drives me insane. He has a severe case of unfixable manface and dents in his face from acne scars, and frankly I think it's just cringey to see how everyone talk about how "convincing" he is.

No. He's not.

>>8333227

whats even wrong with typing like this though?? ugh lower case i cant even be bothered to use shift or caps lock becase w/e amirite??? UGH who even cares ur all nerds bye

>>8333742
The other one wasn't too bad, but this post severely looks like a Tumblr text post.

Sage because this is so petty, though.

>calling lolita "loli" for short or lolitas "lolis" is to be avoided at all costs because it sounds terrible

I thought this was a popular opinion, but apparently a lot of girls in my comm haven't got the message.

>>8333848
It's not a popular opinion. I always call lolitas "lolis" and I've been a lolita for 5 years.

If anything, in mainstream culture "loli" just sounds like some weird word, people hear "lolita" and automatically think of the fucking book.

>>8329375
You sound really jaded and no fun to be around.

>wearing nazi uniforms in public is okay, being fat or a brolita is not
Unpopular opinions? More like retarded opinions. Christ you're dumb.

>>8333865
Not that anon but "loli" is mostly associated with the underage animu character porn, so if anyone tried to use the term in regards to me I'd tell them off.

>>8333743

I think I could fit in with the tumblr herd pretty well with that typing.

>>8333881
I think that's why >>8333865 made the differentiation between normies and those in the fashion.
In public, "loli" might be a better term because "lolita" makes them think you're ageplayers in love with a creepy book. Just hope they don't Google what a loli is. (they might misspell it as lolly though)

With other lolitas, "loli" is underaged anime porn and "lolita" is the proper term, because you know it has nothing to do with the book.

>>8333888
Yeah. All you need is the stupid tags at the bottom.

>>8333892
She didn't mention not using the word around lolitas, she only said that she's been into the fashion for 5 years and has used it all the time, which makes me think she likely uses it anywhere and everywhere.

Tbh if a normie does know what "loli" is then that would come off even worse than lolita, so I would rather not risk it. Just say you import your fashion from Japan. And don't call people lolis.

>>8333881
only people who know about animu know what that is. normalfags only think of hentai if anything.

>>8333905
>Just say you import your fashion from Japan. And don't call people lolis.
Yeah, pretty much.
What if they ask what it's called, though? Just say "Japanese fashion"?

loli doesn't specifically refer to porn, it just refers to a drawn underage female, it's literally just a shortened version of lolita (as I'm sure most of you can infer)

lolicon refers to either someone who has a fetish for loli or to porn involving loli

>>8333913
that's incorrect. lolicon is a shortened version of lolita complex used to refer to someone with the fetish. lolita complex refers to pedophilia in japan real or otherwise the term loli derives directly from that. it only refers to underaged animus in western society or if a joke is being made directly referencing pedoshit.

basically only weebs refer to little anime girls as lolis.

>>8333913
Oh trust me I'm well aware, used to be into cake myself when I was a teen. But most people who actively use the term loli to refer to little girl characters are just the sort to sexualize them and be into lolicon. Plus "loli" can be used as shorthand for lolicon.

Really I'd just rather not risk it at all. >>8333911
Yeah, I usually say "oh, it's a street fashion from Japan!" or clarify "it's inspired by Victorian and regency era clothes" if they're still curious.

>>8332841
>>8333742
Please go back to tumblr.

>>8327228
>>8328411
>>8331444
It physically creeps me out when I read comments like the ones you're referring to. I wish it were acceptable to discuss this openly. I had to cut off a friend who turned into a white guilt tumblrina self-hating wigger.

>>8333905
I should've been more specific. By "it's not a popular opinion" I meant using the phrase "loli" is definitely not a popular opinion, it's looked down upon, not the other way around. I meant my usage of the word "loli" interchangeably was unpopular.

I'm a lone lolita, so no, I don't use the term "loli" around other lolitas, just my friends and family. Honestly they were the ones who quickly shortened the phrase "lolita" to "loli", not me - I just kinda rolled with it, considering I was 15 when I got into the fashion, I wasn't really in the business of constantly correcting the people in my life who were already super accepting of my weird fashion. It just kinda stuck and I keep on saying it. Luckily I usually throw in the "it's a Japanese fashion" line when a stranger asks about the fashion before my friend/family member shouts out "it's loli fashion!11!"

>>8327228

Man, anon. I feel bad for you, because if you said this outside of /cgl/ you'd have a million preteens calling you an uncle tom.

>>8326552

I'm not bothered by it, personally, but I'm not Jewish.
My rule of thumb for shit like this is that, if more than just a handful of Jewish people are offended by it, it's offensive. If most of them are indifferent except for a few SJWs, then who gives a shit.

>>8333939
read >>8333925

>>8328411

>non-black girl born and raised in detroit
>step-family members are black
>i make the occasional white ppl joke and generally just use language that would probably be considered aave

oh god im a tumblr wigger

>>8327482

>>8333911

I'd definitely choose something other than Lolita. Most people, you know, recognize that as the title of a novel about a sicko who is obsessed with/rapes an underage girl. Combined with the fact that it uses girly lace, frills, ponytails, etc., it definitely comes off as a fetish.

>>8334126
check your white privilege, american cultural-appropriating scum

>>8326535
Ugh, this so much. I like half of the designs and will probably cosplay them anyways, but I'm glad the creator died so he can't shit out anymore god-awful "shows"

I actually think PP is kinda cute and suits Mako, its a shame her attitude and behavior is shit along with her super inflated ego

>>8334441
dude...

>>8334441

I like brolitas, but only when they've got a great coord. My bf has a better eye for style most of the time, but I'm still glad he lets me wear the bloomers in this house.
I refuse to go to make a live journal account. I hate the site, it's so clunky and I can't for the life of me understand why so many lolitas use it exclusively.

>>8330992
If you're old enough to post on this site you're too old for scene.

Scene is a teen dream, always was and always will be.

>>8331105
I stopped giving a fuck completely. I don't ever post any of my coords anymore. I barely even take pictures of them. I just wear them and have fun.

I barely take pics of myself in general. I'm always too focused on enjoying the time I'm having.

I think Gothic lolita is 'Easy Mode'.

>>8326490
Innocent world??? VM??? MM??? MMM????

>>8333881
There are more normalfags that know about lolicon than you'd think. Anime is pretty fucking popular. I would never use that word to refer to lolita, because chances are if you're talking to someone under 25 they know it's drawn pedo porn not just a "silly word". The book Lolita was written nearly fifteen years ago, and the time gap and fact it's from a different country to lolita fashion makes people more likely to accept that they're unrelated than loli, which is also a modern Japanese concept.

>>8336208
*nearly fifty, not fifteen, typo

Basically people know loli is some weird Japanese porn shit so if you tell them what you're wearing is a weird Japanese fashion they'll connect the two and its harder to persuade them otherwise than if you're like "yes it's called lolita, but it's nothing to do with the book, the style was invented in a completely different country years later.

I hate the fact that we get lumped in with cosplayers. It's insulting because it contributes to people thinking lolita is a costume. I hate wading through convention threads to find something lolita related. I wish we could have our own board for lolita or jfash. and that way cosplayers wouldn't have to sift through lolita/jfash threads

I hope that cons will someday go back to being filled with basement dwellers and fujoshits. They're so full of attention-starved cosplayers nowadays that any attempt to befriend someone showing a pinch of interest in the same series is near-impossible. I miss making fellow creepy anime-obsessed friends.