/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>8270268
Oh god I miss skye so much

I will forever lol at Vivcore getting upset over someone stealing her super original years and years design, but I did love her historically inspired stuff.

Seems like she's given up on the idea of having her own business finally, though. She closed up last year after moving and was supposed to open up a few weeks later, but it's still on "temporary hiatus." I'm not surprised she finally gave up since she always gave off the attitude of "well-to-do housewife trifling" but still.

>>8270400
I'm sad she gave up, though. I felt like she quit lolita because she didn't get quite the level of sales and fame she wanted, but I think if she would have kept at it she would be such an important brand by now.

Also, does anyone else remember P-chan in Gokinjo Monogatari? I want to make coords like hers. Her hats and fluffy pigtails were so perfect.

>>8270414
>I'm sad she gave up, though. I felt like she quit lolita because she didn't get quite the level of sales and fame she wanted, but I think if she would have kept at it she would be such an important brand by now.

She kind of made her own grave with the shop. She didn't market herself very well, she expected to charge brand prices for her work at the outset, she alienated people with her lolita secret outburst and subsequent refusal to address criticisms from customers about the quality/appearance of items on the website versus in person, etc.

She expected people in the lolita community to act like people in the rockabilly/vintage fashion community, when they're two very separate beasts.

>>8270425
I missed all that drama. I took a break from lolita for a couple months and I think it all went down during that time. Is there somewhere I can read up on all of it?

>>8270440
You can probably find some things on the /cgl/ archive but not much, most if it was before that existed. the lolita secrets drama (which included her outburst re: chemise a la reine dress, plus some customers calling her out for the quality issues) is gone along with that community.

>>8270425
Not knowing about this particular drama or much about vintage/rockabilly fans, how do they differ from lolitas and how did she expect lolitas to behave?

>>8270414
Ohh I really love P-chan!
Do it anon!

>>8270485
in the context of her not getting much business/getting flack for her prices: vintage/rockabilly fans that she later marketed to are the type to not bat an eye at shelling out $175-300 for niche dresses from small businesses, and there really isn't.. how to put this... there really sin't

In the lolita community, even more so at the time she was trying to sell her more expensive pieces, there's that attitude of "Why are YOU charging as much as brand?" any time a small/indie business charges anything more than $100 for a dress or $50 for a skirt. Small/indie lolita businesses have to really justify themselves to charge for their work and even then they're held up to far greater scrutiny than the Japanese brands are.

But in the vintage/rockabilly scene, it's uncommon to see that level of questioning and scrutiny aimed at small businesses. It's more accepted that you will simply pay $150-300 for dresses/skirts/etc from small/indie stores.

I wonder if part of the reason is that there are few established 'rockabilly' brands--off the top of my head only Bernie Dexter comes to mind--so the comparison between "why are you charging as much as ____" doesn't really come up.

There's also the context of behavior/social expectations. I used to follow her blogs/social media back in the day when she got flack and I remember her being just so scandalized that people would be rude or even remotely negative about her prices, her brand, or even other lolita topics that weren't aimed at her, because she didn't feel it was appropriate or lady-like. In the rockabilly scene the idea of subscribing to certain behaviors (usually an idealized version of the 1950s era) along with the clothing is more common.

>>8270527
Thank you for the detailed explanation.

I just googled Princess Skye gor the hell of it and I think I've found her flickr. As far as I can tell, it's her, and the photos are a lovely nostalgia trip.
flickr.com/photos/princessskye/

>>8270414
I love PChan and Gokinjo Monogatari. Ai Yazawa's works are amongst my favourite manga and anime.

>>8270400
I always wondered what happened to her. I think I looked at her website like 3 years ago and there was far more rockabilly type shit than the classic old school stuff I remember candy violet for.

>>8270527
She started that "modern quaintrelle" group, didn't she?

>>8270390
Saaame. Back when I was an ita little Lolita At Heart her blog was my favourite thing on the internet. But I'm afraid that if someone would try this sort if thing nowadays, they'd be called a tryhard.

In case anyone wants to read the old Princess Challenges from the Princess Portal, here they are on wayback:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091120162522/http://princessportal.com/archives/category/challenge

Skye was a kindred spirit and I'm sad she seems to have left the internet. Even her non Lolita stuff was lovely. I never got to speak to her, I would have really liked to have exchanged a letter with her or something just once.

I miss old school stuff in general, I liked the clothes more, and so many people had the lifestyle dreamy princess attitude and tried to better themselves. I had more fun with the clothes then.

>>8270414
Ah! I'm actually part of a Gokinjo Monogatari/Parakiss Group at an upcoming con, and they told me to be P-chan because lolita. XD I found the perfect dress at the CC in Ikebukuro. 4,000 yen! I just need to put together a beret and style a wig now. :)

I wish I had more to contribute to this thread, but at the moment I don't have much.

I always liked when people would take "Lolita's in their natural habitat" photos, I know people still do it sometimes but it seemed like people id it more often years ago.

I used to spend more time than I want to admit reading musings and writings and stuff, back when people were actually interested in that kind of thing. The concept of lifestyle Lolita was my biggest interest, even more so than the clothes. I know most people see the clothes and then get into the fashion and become interested in lifestyle stuff, but for me it was the complete opposite. I still go back and read some of that old stuff from time to time.

>>8271357
This is so cute, anon! Promise you'll post the finished coord?

>>8270934
I think someone should go for it anyways. We're all tryhards anyways when you think about it.

>>8271001
>I miss old school stuff in general, I liked the clothes more, and so many people had the lifestyle dreamy princess attitude and tried to better themselves. I had more fun with the clothes then.

i agree. the attitude nowadays is very cynical.

>>8270931
yep!

>>8274934
She had a really good lj blog too. I remember going to it every day in hopes of an update, she had so much awesome lifestyle stuff.

I was looking at the Princess Portal remnants today, too, and you know what struck me as odd? The fact that by today's standards, Skye would have been called an ita. But I see her as so beautiful, and I wish I could have those rose colored glasses for everyday life. Like, Skye was this snapshot of lolita in the daily world, not the fussed up convention ideal that we won't settle for anything less than nowadays. It makes me feel so confused about my seagull saltiness.

>>8275524
Sorry for sounding dumb, but, why not just try to work on being less salty of a person then? Life is too short to spend it senselessly bitter about trivial stuff, you know? Maybe that's easy for me to say because I sorta have that rose-colored attitude and I really do not belong on this board attitude wise (just come here once every 50 years to look at coord pics), but, seriously, I encourage people to try to change themselves for the better if they want to.

I agree with what you say and it's one of the reason I love her so much, she really was a "real life" Lolita and her blog was a peek into her daily life and thoughts instead of being just a collection of outfit snaps, she wore simple outfits for everyday wear and saved the extravagant for photo-shoots and parties. I don't think any of her outfits were ita at all, I think today's Lolita has just gotten too used to seeing everything in OTT. A lot of people complained that she was fake, but I think she was very real, and was brave to show off herself so much and inspire an entire group of girls.

I (hesitantly) admit I dress a lot like she did (and like many girls back then did), slim or no makeup, simple cords with very little crazy printed dresses, sometimes not even any real headwear. I feel happier when I dress up more simple. I'm always worried about what other lolitas would think, but I try not to let that bother me and just dress how I feel comfortable.

>>8275856
You're beautiful anon. I aspire to be more like you.

>>8275864
Oh my goodness, you've flustered me. I don't even know what to say. I've never expected anyone to ever say anything like that to me, ha ha.

>>8275856
> I really do not belong on this board attitude wise (just come here once every 50 years to look at coord pics),

Girl, I'm on this board almost every day and I'm not a bitter person. I just wish more people were this way.

What we've got is a lot of newcomers who are familiar only with super extravagant looks, perfect makeup, balance, photography/lighting, being 100% on point all the time. Image sharing and coord pics are a huge part of the fashion these days. People are constantly fighting for the most likes/reblogs/comments like it actually means something. If you're not up to someone's personal standards be it coord or your nose is off, it's free game for anonymous commentary. We're living in a time where everything is super accessible to anyone and the expectations are high. In the end, it doesn't matter. When you're old and grey with shaky arthritis hands you're going to remember dressing up in your youth and feeling beautiful in luxurious dresses. Not how <insert efamous person> coorded that one dress.

>captcha: oldne

>>8275932
I meant more that I'm really sensitive and don't like the attitude this board has as a whole, not that I can't come here because I'm not bitter, I don't fit in with the culture at all and have little shared interest, if that makes sense. I'm not always the best at using words well. I agree, I wish more people could be that way too.

Don't get me wrong, I love looking at the extravagant cords, the beautiful photo-shoots, the wild and busy prints, the OTT gorgeous outfits, they're all beautiful. But now that it's become the standard for a good, basic outfit, I feel it turns the fashion into more of a costume than something the average person can actually wear as fashion. I am always wishing the days of simplicity will return, even though I know it never really will.

It makes me wonder how newcomers can come into the fashion, even if there are so many stores you can buy from these days, if things had been so extravagant when I first discovered the fashion it would have been so inaccessible to me I probably wouldn't have ever gotten into it at all and just admired it from afar.

>>8277049
I don't think you're that unusual in feeling that way. I do too.

I generally prefer simple pieces and I only own one print dress so far. I love lolita and I want to wear it a lot, which means toning it down to just be simple and elegant for me. I'm not a huge fan of OTT either.

I think the fashion is more accessible now, but new lolitas are likely to be influenced by OTT because that's popular now. Not necessarily a bad thing, the fashion's just changing.

>>8275856
>>8275864
>>8275901
I'm one of those SJW bitches and i keep coming back here in hopes more people will interact like you two. I keep hoping people will be nice to one another.

>>8277062
/cgl/ can be really adorable sometimes.

>>8277062
Honestly /cgl/ can be the worst place or the best place. I love the dream dress thread because gulls are so helpful to one another, linking to auctions for favorite pieces and helping each other out. I just skip the ita thread and any thread that looks like it'll be too dramatic

I miss old school and people not wearing wigs. You could find beautiful hairstyles that were elegant.

>>8277124
I miss people not wearing wigs too. I understand the appeal of them completely, and I don't have a problem with people wearing them, but wigs are one of those things that make the fashion feel less like a fashion for me. I liked to see how people would do their hair too, whether it was just put into simple twin tails or was done up in a pretty updo or full of braids.

Hey, since we've moved the nostalgia to this thread, I thought I'd post here. I'm blog-chan, and I've started on the blog a little earlier than expected. I'm only writing up the second post, and I'll probably be treating it as something of a diary after the first few posts. When I'm happy enough with it, though, would you anons like a link? I have a lot of old stuff I've written that I want to get onto the site first so there's actually something to read/look at, so I'd say I'll be happy enough with it in a week or two.

>>8277183
Also, I'll likely be linking to Skye's stuff on the wayback machine instead of copy-pasting or such, it just doesn't feel quite right to copy paste it, even though I'd obviously be crediting her.

>>8277183
I'd like a link! I may not comment right away, but i'll lurk for a while and if I really enjoy it I'll stick around.
I agree on the copy thing, it would feel strange even though I would love to ensure her remaining works survive. Linking to them is a good idea, I think.

>>8277124
I loved when more effort was put into hairstyles, and a lot of that seems to be coming back with some Lolitas (I know Mila wears fairly modern sweet, but she wears her own hair a lot).

>>8277317
Ah hell then, if there's interest I might as well just link it now before I forget
>thelifeofprimrose dot blogspot dot com

There are only two posts, and one is a bit TL;DR, but I'll be adding more when I have time, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. Hoping to add some pages of inspiration and maybe take photos for posts (still while staying anon, so no coords or at least no faces). I can get a little carried away when writing sometimes, and I hope I won't come across as a pretentious little shit. It will be fun, if nothing else.

>>8277049
I think the vast majority of the gulls on this board share your sentiments. A lot of the older lolitas are pushing for a return of simple, and I think that while it might take a little while, we'll get our way soon.

>>8277874
anon, everything I have read there so far is beautiful. Please keep posting, because you are genuinely saving me here.

>>8277874
I love you anon. Please keep posting.
I miss seeing this kind of writing about lolita so much.

>>8277874
>thelifeofprimrose dot blogspot dot com
i like this a lot, anon!

>>8270268
Princess Portal always has and shall be my favorite euphemism for vagina

>>8278315
Won't you come in my castle, anon?

>>8278091
>>8278121
>>8278129
Oh my gosh, thank you anons! I forgot how fun it was to write like that, so I'm really glad it's enjoyable for others to read!

>>8277874
Ah, your writing is a balm to my salty wounds. There's definitely a place for more lifestyle writings on the web--thanks for making it happen.

>>8270400
YEARS OF RESEARCH

>>8274888
I feel like lolitas were more resourceful then and there wasn't as much scrutiny, as long as you weren't a hideous ita it was good.

>>8277874
I was one of the anons who originally put the idea in your head to do this. I think you're off to a great start. It's lovely so far. Makes me wish I could do something similar.

Just make sure you donn't burn yourself out by writing too much too quickly, I think it's a very easy thing to do.

And remember to keep having fun with it!

>>8278676
Still funny.

someone bought her old domain

>>8277874
Please continue! You are a good writer and you speak the inner thoughts we all have had.

Who the fuck is Mella?
http://mellahugbear.com/
It gets redirected to here when you go on princessportal.com

>>8279068
Oh my fucking god. No she did not buy the goddamn princess portal domain. JFC I want to fucking kill her now, how dare she soil such a good thing with her rachety ass?

>>8279213
I KNOW YOU ARE LURKING HERE SOMEWHERE YOU SACK OF SHIT. I KNOW YOU'RE SEEING THIS. YES I AM SALTY.

>>8279213
I agree that it was totally crap of her to yank princessportal, but it seems like she has mental issues so it's hard for me to be mad at her. Damn my benevolence.

>>8279068
ugh what a bitch, her and her shitty shop

>>8279360
:( i hoped you were talking about choklieate

which i would have agreed

>>8279368
Die in fire already bro

>>8279068
The sad thing is knowing Skye gave up on the domain... I still had hopes she'd come back, anons.

>>8277186
That would be nice. I can't seem to get to her wayback pages since they're always down. It'd be nice to re-read those again.

Is Skye really off the internet for good? I wonder what happened :( princess portal actually got me into Lolita back in 06. I do see the evolution of simple to OTT now, and I miss simplicity. I get note compliments out if I have a simpler coord versus an entire themed one.

>>8279578
Apparently so. She could be forgiven for moving away from Lolita, as some people simply find other interests, but even the blog she kept after TPP is down now. I wonder if we'll ever find the lost princess now...

>>8278339
Anon, I'm sorry.

Your Princess is in another castle.

>>8279585
I'm torn on my feelings, because I fully understand why she may have taken everything down and wanted to abandon the internet. I'm really private and timid type person and did the same thing, haven't made a new account anywhere since. But her works did mean so much to me, and I know it sounds stupid but it was like she could read my mind and speak directly to my heart. It's so sad to see them gone for good.

I'm sure she never regrets leaving and the freedom and relief she felt from it, but I wonder if she ever misses writing and inspiring others and wishes she could do it again.

Remember when casual Lolita looked like pic related? Ha ha ha, I still dress like this, not even ashamed, this will always be casual to me.

>>8279603
I always call that casual, and that's what it's meant to be. Pretty sure there's a bit on casual Lolita in one of the GLBs where Misako is wearing a skirt/tshirt/cardigan combo that puts me in mind of that, just in pink. I think the standard of what people are willing to wear to a meetup is now so high that people dismiss this sort of stuff as either not Lolita or downright ita.

>>8279213
Cringe worthy. who is this chick?

>>8270400

>>8270400
I remember when she showed her line at the Indie Fashion Show at Otakon 2009. This was YEARS AND YEARS ago.

Remember when people complained about Meow-Tan on here or folks praised MintyMix when got a new dress from AP?

>>8279068
If that is a troll it's a 11/10.

>>8279068
isn't that the chick that spammed a bunch of the LACE secrets on BTB?

>>8278614
>>thelifeofprimrose dot blogspot dot com
I added your blog to my feedly roll and I look forward to your next update.

I forgot how much fun it is to *read* writing like that! I really am nostalgic for the days of long-form blogging.

The old school lolita lifestyle really appeals to me. I'm really bad at connecting with other people, and I struggle with being honest about my emotions. I love how the old school takemoto type of lifestyle takes this and turns it into a positive thing. I'm trying to build up my wardrobe so that I can live a life like that.

>>8281307
>>8279009
Thank you! You're all very kind, and I'm still surprised that my writing is so palatable, especially since that post was very off the cuff.
>>8278959
Don't worry, I plan to pace my longer posts and include a healthy mix of diary-type things so it doesn't get old or cause me to run out of things to write about!

I might be writing another post during the week, but I'm very busy for the next fortnight so I'm not sure just yet. I'm amazed by the support already, so don't worry, I won't run off and forget about it!

>>8277874
Thank you for writing this. I did not get a chance to ever fully update my wardrobe into full brand. I have pieces but because discouraged in my late teens because I saw the community getting into the popularity aesthetic. I was someone whom when first starting, wanted everything to match up with the Lolita aesthetic and it was initially what made me fall in love with the fashion.

>>8281446

I followed you on Blogger, I'm excited to see more from you!

>this thread

>>8282334
I dunno if this is meant to be an insult or a complement but either way, I haven't seen this movie yet but would like to even though everyone hates it for being historically inaccurate.

I'd like to many a little cheese sounding comment, since a lot of people's nostalgia involve Lolita lifestyle topics. When I first got into it, it helped me to become a much better person. I was a lonely kid, I grew up with no friends (still don't have much for friends, the only one I had I fear we're starting to drift apart) and my life took a bad turn right before I discovered Lolita. The lifestyle stuff reminded me who I was again, because I had really forgotten when I went through a lonely period, and it allowed me feel connected to other people because so many people shares such common interest and ideas. Even though the lifestyle things have fallen out of favor it still makes me warm inside and makes me feel like I'm a part of something and less alone.

And that's my cheese for the day. Have a pretty picture.

>>8282462
>I dunno if this is meant to be an insult or a complement but either way, I haven't seen this movie yet but would like to even though everyone hates it for being historically inaccurate.

what gets me about people with that criticism iss that it's not meant to be historically accurate, and the director never said "I am making an accurate biopic of marie antoinette's life." It's Marie Antoinette through a snapshot 2st century lens, like the older Marie Antoinette is Marie Antoinette through a 1930s hollywood lens.

although god if one more person posts to tumblr or another forum with a screenshot of the converse in the background acting like they're the first person to ever notice them, I don't know what I'll do.

>>8277874
Just read your post. It's beautiful.

>>8275932

I think I was more of a bitter person before being in this board.
Looking at things honestly, and how people pick on each other without the need of being passive -aggressive makes me be more honest to myself and ask myself if it's really worth it to get salty.
At least I've learned to admit it to myself, rather than hide it, and having to extern it in a bad way, as I've been in the past.

Different anon, here. I just wanted to say that because I appreciate cgl honest comments. Feels equal.

>>8283005
This so much. Oddly enough, CGL has improved my mood. I know there's an (imo) outspoken minority of really immature, salty people on here, but by and large since I've come here I've found an honest community that helps everyone be the best they can be by not allowing excuses and asspatting. I feel like a smarter, more realistic and happy person because I'm no long deluding myself.

Does anyone remember the few articles that Shojo Beat did on lolita? If anyone had scans, especially from the issue that featured Mary from Godchild, I would just die of happiness!

>>8277874
I'm so glad you shared this when you did. I'm gonna leave CGL for good in a day or so, and I would have hated to miss this.
I sure hope you will continue to write. I'll be following you.

I would give my foot to know what happened to Skye. I wish somebody who knows her or knew her at one time could give some clue as to what happened.

Like, I want to know, is she happy? Is she healthy? Is she still apart of any Lolita group? Does she wear Lolita at all anymore? Has she gotten any new hobbies? Does she still do the penpal thing or have a place for people to send her letters? (because I would love to send her a letter, especially a hand written one. I love to hand write letters.)

Mainly I just want to know if she's happy though. Maybe that's stupid, but she brought me so much happiness that I want her to feel happiness too. I have a feeling that before she disappeared off the internet, she wasn't happy at all, and it breaks my heart to think about. I wish I could tell her just how much both her blogs helped me.

It's too bad it seems like not even Australian lolitas know what happened to her or why she left the internet. I've never heard a soul speak of it. I wonder if maybe she asked acquaintances not to tell. Which is okay, but it's so sad to just not know anything at all. It makes me worry something bad happened.

>>8288799
I don't know, I think it's bad to pry. If she deleted those things, she did it for a reason.

>>8288832
AYRT
I agree, I think it's bad to pry too much and I feel a bit embarrassed about how much I wonder about her even though she's long gone now. But I still can't help but wonder if she's doing okay, especially because she deleted all her things. When she left Princess Portal, she said she wouldn't delete anything, but then did. It makes me wonder if something bad happened to make her change her mind.

Anyway, yeah, your right. I should probably try to put her out of my mind. I feel creepy. But I still hope she's happy.

>>8282462
Cheesy, but gouda
>ayy

I kind of know how you feel. I graduated college in the winter so I'm bit isolated from the people I made friends with back on campus (both lolitas and non-lolitas), and moving back to my hometown have been really disenchanting. A lot of people my age are already married and/or starting families, so I can't really relate or hang out with them, and those who aren't are either much younger than I am or going to school outside of this town. I'm also stuck at a dead-end job (and still hunting) that's sucking my soul.

Reality bites, but I'd like to dedicate free-time into a blog with a bit of a lifestyle twist - partially for the nostalgia (like you, I got into lifestyle blogs before I could afford to wear lolita), but it'd be nice to have a place to organize pretty things to distract me from my current state of loneliness and boredom,
It's gotten warmer lately, so I'd be happy to share photos of things like flowers and flea market finds if anyone's interested.

>>8288857
All the people my age are getting married and focusing on "growing up" too, and I have zero interest in a sexual relationship or having kids. I was surprised to learn most people in their lower 20's start doing all that stuff, in my mind it still seems so young. I feel so awkward about it sometimes and feel like people are expecting that I'm going to do the same eventually and are judging me for it.

I feel like lifestyle Lolita stuff can be a very positive way to distract someone from being lonely, of course it can also be bad too. But I feel like lifestyle stuff encourages people to think positive.

>>8290695
What makes you think getting married = having kids? And what makes you think growing up is a bad thing? You can't live with your parents forever, so you have to start working to earn a living. In your free time you can do whatever you like.

>>8290699
I never said getting married and having kids is a bad thing, and I never said just because people are getting married means they are going to have kids. I don't want them. You sound like you have something against people who don't want kids.

>>8290703
I don't want kids either, but I'm married. It just sounded like a particularly whiny 'waaaah! why does everyone have to go and grow up when I can't!'

>>8290714
Yeah that wasn't what I was saying at all. Was suppose to be more like "wahh I'm sad because everyone wants to get married and have kids and I can't make any friends with them because I don't."

I can understand your defensiveness, there's a lot of people on both sides who are complete assholes and will pick a fight with anyone on the opposing side.

>>8290730
But why can't you make friends without being married/with kids?
99% of my friends are unmarried and we get along just fine. Unless there's particular things you like such as clubbing or casual hookups, then I can understand, but otherwise I don't really see why it'd matter to anyone.

>>8290735
Like >>8288857 just said, there's less you have in common and, if they have kids in particular, they're usually more focused on worrying about their family than hanging out with friends.

I just realize you might live somewhere with more people, especially ones around your age group, but I live in a small town and there's few people my age here, and I had little in common with them before they started focusing on their family lives.

>>8288799
shes in porn now taking black c0ck up the toostie

Anyone remember being on the blueperiod forums at suddenlaunch dot com (yep the name is never going to not sound weird)? A lot of the early lolitas such as Mistress M/ pink_emmie_bat hung out there, even before people started to migrate to egl on livejournal.

Even though it's technically still running, It was so long ago I can't even remember what my password or user name was on there.

>>8290770
She isn't

>>8290749
I wish we were near each other. I'm fortunate to have some friends here, but it'd be nice to also have someone to wear frills with. As much as I grew to dislike campus life, I miss it a lot lately, and I really miss being among people in my age group who are passionate about they want in life and what they love. It sucks that I usually work on the weekends, so I can't make time to check out whatever's going on at the local university.

>>8290835
I'm not old enough to (I got into Lolita right before the OTT sweet boom) but I'm so curious to see pictures from that long ago. Googling one of the names brought this up, I am in love with it.

>>8290844
naw man idk forreal. but does anyone remember princess tessy? not a lolita but i loved her blog anyways.

>>8290835
Omg yes, how ancient are we, anon?

tessy where she at now i wonder?

>>8290873

>>8290885
I'm so old, I remember when this girl use to go by Misstress_M and her blonde friend as Kaoru_Ai on LolitaSnap.

Have some 1998 lolita (this is even much too far back for my decrepit oldfag self). I also love how it shows that the 'new interpretation of the oldschool headdress' look that people mention that we see now is a bunch of baloney.

>>8290890
Same here anon, same here. Goddamn, I want to know who these gulls are now so we can have an oldfagier-than-thou er off, or just reminisce, something.

>>8290891
WOW this is great, I've never seen any Lolita older than something like 2003 or 2004.
I love how casual it is, it looks so wearable compared to the modern fashion. I wish dressing like this today wasn't considered ita. Modern Lolita is too OTT for me.

I know I should like I'm not familiar with old school, I actually love old school, but I've never seen anything quite this old.

>>8290890
Emmie and Lauran were my favourite lolita pair back then.

>>8290902
another for you anon

>>8291035

>>8291036
Oh man, I love looking back at sources like this, FRUiTs,and Kera snap and seeing how trends in the 90s, like platformed shoes and chokers were integrated in the lolita look then.

>>8290873
>Shiro-lolita love 5ever

>>8290914
She stills wears J-fashion and lolita. Her website is Lauran dot c om and there are even some old snaps of her.

>>8291141
I haven't seen anything from Emmie for a few years though(?)

>>8291149
Yeah, sorry, idk what happened to her. Maybe email Lauran if she knows what happened to Emmie.

>>8291149
Yeah, sorry, idk what happened to her.

>>8291141
LOVE

>>8291220
Man she was gorgeous. How did she became such an ita?

>>8291171
She still lives in Tokyo and takes pictures of food, but doesn't wear lolita anymore. instagram.com/indra_stop_doing_that/

>>8291243
I'm guessing it's because she's more into Vivienne Westwood now, I wouldn't say her recent stuff is ita, it's just not standard.

>>8288857
I think having a blog is a great way to connect with like-minded people and even to make some friends, so it should help with both your boredom and loneliness. Good luck, anon

>>8290883
oh my fucking god old blogs with design like this. and the old cam-girl stuff. so nostalgic haha

>>8288799
Other lolitas used to be pretty fucking mean when it came to princess Skye. It's no wonder she deleted everything. Either that, or she went and got some kind of good job where she didn't want anything to be seen on the internet.

There always used to be a super salty anon back then who used to whine about how you have to hide lolit from your employer, act your age, maturely, be taken seriously, not have anything on the internet yadda yadda yadda. I wonder if she was on here.... well probably not but huh

>>8291243
nigga you're showing your newb level. This isn't ita at all - just old school.

She definitely into VW, but I think she's always been into her (like a lot of older lolitas are) and can now afford to buy a lot of VW's designs. Her website has a gallery of coordinates and even though she has always been into classic and gothic, her look is quite contemporary (I mean, she owns JetJ prints; that's as trendy as you can get in classic lolita); you can tell she's an experienced lolita.

>>8291279
aww. That's too bad. Oh well, at least she's living the weeaboo's dream.

Who remembers David? He was a terrific lolita.

>>8291763
I thought David stirred up some shit in the nyc comm?

>>8291766
No, it wasn't David. It was Carla and simply26 that stirred up shit.

David lives in Japan now after fleeing the country from student loan debt.

>>8291777
Ah, I see. Not really surprised though.
Yeah, no, I can't keep up with everything and everyone these days.

Different subject:

Does anyone happen to have any English GBL scans? I only have the first two and couldn't get anymore with Borders being closed and the mook out of print ages ago.

I remember seeing the third and fourth during the close out sale, but never nabbed it, and to this day, I never knew who grabbed the last copies.

>>8291736
cgl thinks everything is 'ita' these days, it's getting tedious.

>>8291788
Yeah Carla doesn't do lolita anymore. I know her from NY. She always complains about being fat and poor now. That's what you get for getting kicked out of FIT.

Seeing simply26 now and days in lolita is just cringe worthy.

>>8291763
>that pic
>terrific lolita
Though BtSSB did suit him better

>>8291766
He stirs up shit wherever he goes

>>8291777
Complete with his own weeb fake Japanese name

>>8291807
Well David told me that he made a bunch of secrets on BtB to "get rid of girl" from the Comm last June. It worked.

>>8291279
Ah thanks for that anon, she's as cute as ever. So glad she's still having fun in Japan, makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

>she also reminds me of Kate Bush which is probably another reason I enjoyed her lolita photos so much

>>8291792
It's not just cgl, but it is getting tedious.

>>8291807
>Complete with his own weeb fake Japanese name

kek, forreal?

>>8291884
Akira. Though if he's trying to become a naturalized citizen that fake name might actually be real. IIRC he'd have to choose a Japanese legal name during the naturalization process. One of my uncles had to do that in the eighties while fleeing the commies and now his last name's Sato.

I remember when in spite of Caroline being a lolcow and how Ashlee used to have a fakeboi account on Gaia, people used to look up to the Oregon lolitas. iirc, Ashlee is a lookbook hipster and Victoria wears rockabilly.


>>8291911
Escaping student loan debt sounds kind of like a dumb reason to leave the country. Isn't it only going to default and hurt him more?

I'm mostly saying that it's dumb in comparison to your example (which I can relate to with my folks escaping from the Vietnam war).

>>8292008
And Maetel I think moved to Japan, though I don't know if that was a permanent move. I feel like I've seen her on the sales comm within the past year or so, but I might be old and senile.

>>8290914
I was an obsessive creep over Kaoru_ai/Lauran

>>8292077

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>>8292077
I first become a fan for her cosplay but her lolita/ouji stuff is adorable

>>8292101

>>8292008
If the Feds don't catch Akira, then he'll be ok. Still I know he has tons of student loan debt from one of those crappy The Art Institute schools. Living in another country means it's difficult for the creditors to take money from him.

It's a dick move to the others who are responsible to payback their loans. It will comeback and haunt him someday.

>>8292036
She's been living in japan permanently for many years, and is very active in the jp lolita community, but doesn't post online anymore. I don't think she trusts the internet after what happened with the oregon drama.

>>8292110

What happened to miffytoki? Does anyone remember her? She was probably the first lolita in the West that had a butthuge wardrobe.

>>8292114

>It will comeback and haunt him someday.

Not if the student loan debt bubble bursts in the US it won't.

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>>8292101

Are you people oggling this shit the same as those gawking in the ita threads?

>>8292262
It will never burst. I'm just going to feel bad for those who will pay them back. I know I won't since I have none.

I feel like calling the US Embassy in Tokyo concerning a US citizen who is a delinquent borrower on Japanese soil. I know the Prefecture he lives in too.

>>8292283
They will laugh you off the phone. They really couldn't give a shit about debts not owed to the IRS and lenders don't even pursue those kinds of cases because it's not worth it.

>>8292239

Who is this Miffytoki you speak of?

>>8292117
>oregon drama.
What happened?

>>8292311
She's Asian, lived in California, had some small dogs, huge amount of clothes. IIRC she worked for a shopping service at some point?

Old egl mod miyu_sakura

Pui_puni, left lolita so she could be closer to her religion and better serve her husband

>>8292239
Last I heard about her was drama about embezzling money from Celga...don't know what happened with that in the end.

>>8292351
Long story short, Alice and Victoria went to Japan, Alice cheated on her bf, Victoria threatened to tell, Alice literally went crazy, and vendetta'd against anyone on Victoria's side.
There's a lot more to it, but that's the gist.

Vintage Kammie with Mary/burgerlita.
Not sure what happened with Mary's mom losing their house, but she's a musician now?

Carla/uglykitties
Became an intense SJW

Tian_shi

Others
Anousenka: ?
Angli_deas: Did she live happily ever after with her 40+ Humbert Humbert?
Theosakakoneko: Lost weight, got a terrible haircut, and makes gothic clubwear and rockabilly clothes
Megan_maude: Into steampunk
Megan_maude's husband: Not creeping on young girls on egl now
Queenofdorks: Now making big bucks with Pusheen
Curly_b: ?
Danaeaphreal and her gf that made the Iron Gate cake: ?
Celticfreefall: Got crazy into religion and modest clothes
Unseelieallure: Still doing bad porn shoots

spilt milk

I can't remember her name/username, but some European (Austrian? German?) girl who took photos on top of a grave and started that whole its-so-disrespectful controversy.

>>8292403
She's still around. She seems to wear more otome than lolita now.

>>8292418
>Theosakakoneko

She was at a lolita meetup in NY a few months ago when Novala Takemoto was in town.

>Curly_b

She got engaged and now married?

>>8292418
>Celticfreefall
She came on /cgl/ a while ago, still wears lolita.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/?task=search2&search_username=Celticfreefall

>>8290890
Ditto. I particularly loved M's coordinates and the lifestyle she showed online. But I've only fallen in love with one Lolita after all these years: Skye.

>>8292239
Yes I used to love her coods. Hope someone has news from her. She was one of my favourites back then.

>>8292380
I loved her clothes and classic style but hated the lack of basic make up and hair styling even back then. Looked so lazy.

>>8291035
Man, I miss longer cut dresses like this. Not the OTT chiffon ruffle underskirt kind of long, the peasant dress/victorian kind of long. I remember seeing this coordinate a long time ago and it's been a long-time favorite for me. I even made a secret about how much I loved her just so I could find her blog and watch her over the years. If you're on /cgl/ ily marry me.

>>8295237
I like it too, a lot of people say it's not Lolita because of the length but I always seen it as a way to make it more mature and a more accurate call back to some of the historical looks it came from.

>>8290835
oh my god, I'd completely forgotten that existed.

>>8292375
Yes! Oh man, and that bodyline OP that everyone lusted after.

Really though I just love everything about old school. I wasn't really into Lolita until just after new school happened but I've always had a soft spot for it, I must have seen plenty of people that wore it that made it stick in my mind.

Also pre OTT sweet was my favorite style ugh bring it back pleassseeeee. OTT classic and classic sweet becoming a thing is great but there's still nothing like a sweet coord and applique dresses and simple colorschemes

>>8292392
Yeah! Mary is living in the UK right now performing small gigs. She doesn't wear lolita much anymore, but she still uses a lot of her pieces into her new look.

>>8292394
>Became an intense SJW
oh god that's not even the half of it

she was a homestuck otherkin for a while, and before that, she royally fucked over a guy by convincing him to long-distance marry her, and before THAT, she tried to make a living selling fanfic commissions and overpriced tote bags

such a fucking trainwreck, i almost wish she was still around. she was such an embarrassment to the ny comm.

I miss egl actually. I can't believe the website I used to check twice a day just to keep up with it is now so inactive I check it once a month. I never posted but I liked to see what everyone else posted. I don't use Facebook so I'm just sitting over here alone, ha ha.

>>8299855
I know the feel, anon. I checked egl this morning, and the last Free For All has only 8 comments. It's so sad.

>>8299855
>>8299858
Same :(
most of all I miss daily lolita though. I don't use facebook either but cof seems like a clusterfuck of poor itas and nitpicky coordinates worn by famewhores.

>>8299855
I miss it too/ Think the mods keeping the main post outdated isn't helping . It's like they don't give a fuck as well.

>>8299884
Also that banner art needs to be changed, it's so dire. It's no wonder newbies are wary of LJ

>>8299883
I agree, though on occasion somebody seems to post, but it isn't quite the same.

Sorry to talk about Skye again, but I wonder if the reason she left the internet was because of Lolita. I know people got nasty about her a few times, and she had so many lolitas who followed her. it seemed like she just wanted to separate herself from Lolita completely.

>>8303268
Yeah, afaik a lot of the new-wave "UGH LOLITA LIFESTYLE IS SO DUMB LOL WTF ITS CLOTEHSES" lolitas gave her a hard time for enjoying the fashion in the way she did. I'm not sure of the extent of it, but I can understand why she'd want to escape it.

Who remembers In the Starlight?

I really miss them, actually. They were great for basic staples.

>>8303332
I have a really strange memory of ITS, as in, any time I saw their store all their stuff looked awful. I don't mean super-plain or too-much-lace awful, I just mean poor construction, awkward designs etc. Was there an ITS lookalike or something that I might've been looking at instead?

>>8277874
This is awesome. Tyvm.

>>8303337
No idea. Some of their stuff was hit and miss, design wise, especially when they started experimenting more. But everything I got from there was solidly constructed, though I don't know if that was the case for evreyone.

>>8303332
When I was in high school before I had a job and could afford to lolita myself up I used to browse In The Starlight constantly daydreaming of the pretty lolita I could one day be.
I own a headdress by them and the Alice and the White Rabbit skirt.

>>8303392
>When I was in high school before I had a job and could afford to lolita myself up I used to browse In The Starlight constantly daydreaming of the pretty lolita I could one day be.

Same here. I had a list of all the skirt and dress and shirt combinations I was going to buy! This was back with their old store, of course, when you could get any of their items in just about any color combination ever. Because naturally I needed this particular skirt in black with white lace, white with black lace, blue with white lace, etc...

>>8292008
> no fat chicks
> sigh
What we truly miss

>>8303425
I still have a head ow from them that I wear. I'll never let go of it.

>>8303485
There was no cop out of plus-size replicas or custom size indie brand, I don't even think AP's shirring used to be quite as forgiving before 2009. Hell, even Bodyline was only size M

>>8303517
>2007
>no indie brands that did plus size

In the Starlight, Anna House, plus various seamstresses (though usually people like Talia, aka not quality by any means)

>>8292283
Student loans default after 10 years or so.

Remember listerinepree and brionyalyssa (or something like that) who used to go to interesting sites for their photos? Sadly almost all of their photos are deleted now, there were a handful still online that I managed to snag. Does anyone have any more of their photos?

>>8303635
Gorgeous!! this is the kind of thing people used to do that I loved, that people just don't do anymore.
I would love to see more photos like this! Wish I had some of my own to contribute.

>>8303760
I found a few more on listerinepree's deviantart!

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>>8303804
I always wonder whatever happened to these two. Seemed like they were super good friends, then suddenly they seemed to disappear.

>>8303785
Realized I recognized this photo, these girls were featured in one of the English Gothic and Lolita bibles from 2008
>sorry phone pic I don't own a scanner

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>>8291792
pretty sure anon wasn't actually talking about this picture, check your salt level you two.

>>8303890
that was obvious, as was the notion that anons were simply commenting that she wasn't 'ita' in general.

>>8303268
Tbh I remember lolitas being awful about her online (especially on livejournal) and this sticks in my memory more than the actual website, which is really quite sad. She seemed sweet. I hope she's happy, whatever she's doing.

>>8303790
god damn, thanks anon, I always loved this photo but lost it ages ago. They always took such interesting photos (even if I found their online personas kinda terrifying, to the point where I kept a low profile whenever I thought our paths might cross).

>>8292239
She's in Japan now

whatever happened to xpinkzombiesx?

>>8304110
Living with a man who isn't her husband

>>8304410
I'm outraged!

>in 1952

>>8288799

I can fill in some of the blanks as I used to know her. She far moved away from the city and lives down south now with her boyfriend. Back when she first moved away, the Lolita scene here was small and the people organizing meets all moved away like Skye. So the scene didn't move for quite a while. These days the Lolita scene is getting much more active and larger again but Skye has never made any attempt to join.
She also had a falling out with her best friend around that time too, (that friend burned a lot of bridges simultaneously), so that would have definitely contributed. But to move away and drop a lot of things? I feel it was a long time coming and something she had to do.

The Lolita phase of her life is over sorry. I bumped into her at a friends wedding years later and she was still the same old Skye, but different. I was used to her always being dressed up and she had this wistful, dreamy-like state about her all the time. But now, she was dressed casually, pretty much no-makeup and talked like any other person. She felt so much more relaxed though. I think she just grew out of it and decided to do something else with her life. We all change, whether its a little or a lot.

>>8270819

Oh man, so many good memories from then. It seems like a lifetime away now.

>>8306610
I'm AYRT. Thank you, I hope I didn't seem creepy or anything, I just really miss her and she was kind of a hero to me. :(
It's sad to hear she had a falling out, and sad to hear she's completely done with Lolita, but it's nice to know she has moved on to other things and it sounds like she's probably more comfortable. Everyone does change, and it's better to do what makes you comfortable than to force yourself to do something you're not comfortable with. I'm glad she did what she needed to do even if it meant giving up blogging. Her blogs wear a real treat, and I think I loved her Lost Princess one even more than the Princess Portal. It was the sort of thing I've dreamed about writing myself, but never had the courage to.

I'm in the process of changing myself, though it's really uncomfortable. I feel like I'm changing all the time and dislike the feeling, and it has cost me relationships in the past. I'm actually consider sort of leaving Lolita myself. It's just too much for me, though this thread is reminding me about all the things I used to love about the fashion, so I think I'll keep wearing the clothes for a while even if not in a strictly Lolita way.

>>8292008
I really liked Ahlee, at least her coords.
Miss seeing them.

>>8303860
Thank you for the pics, anon!

I was just thinking about the English GLB the other day and thought it could easily come back if it was just not under a horribly run company like Tokyopop. Lolita has only gotten stronger and is quite a bit more global now. I feel like it could be something people would like to see.

>>8306816
That makes me think... does anyone remember the name of this other short lived lolita magazine? I think it got at least 2 issues out before they decided to close up but I can't remember the name.

>>8306896
I found it myself, it was La Vie En Rose. I think they got 2 issues out at least, maybe 3.

>>8306896
>>8306907
There was also Sucrerie which was only online. They switched to blog format halfway through and then just vanished. I've asked around hoping somebody would still have anything from them (articles, pictures, etc.) but I didn't get any responses.

>>8306959
Sad, I wish they could have kept it up.

I wish we still had interest in online and indie magazines like this, but it seems like with the popularity of blogs and tumblr, no one really needs/cares about them.

>>8292105
>her lolita/ouji stuff is adorable

interesting what she called "basic boystyle" has not changed much in a decade, compared to "basic lolita."

>>8306672
I wear some of my Lolita items casually now instead of completely leaving it. I liked The Lost Princess as well, this thread helped get some of those old school sparks again.

>>8306966
It is really sad to see the state of things now, I agree. For a long time magazines and blogging were the backbone of our community aside from Livejournal.
Sucrerie's website was really neat too, the service they used actually simulated a magazine with mouse-controlled page-turning and all. Made it seem a little more real, I guess.

>>8292433
Fuck me mang....I've been remembering all the shit in this thread so far but this...

Legit to this day, every time I drive past a cemetery, I still think of that drama. Damn...that was '09, wasn't it? But yeah, glad I'm not the only one who remembers that shitfest

Does anyone remember Roren? She was enviable back in the days cause was in Japan and got the AP releases. She used to be quite informable on Japan releases hence. But then she got deported and had to ask her Japanese husband to get them for her. She deleted her lj a long, long time ago

I can't remember what crazyspork I am deal was...

>>8307101
Sporkii's still involved with lolita stuff. She goes to actually quite a good number of meets and posts on social media.

>>8307101
Roren, as in Lauran aka Kaoru_Ai? Or do I have my wires crossed(?).

She's already been mentioned several times in this thread.

>>8307343
Yep

>>8306816
>could easily come back
This. There are so many lolitas now. I wonder if they would make one with enough support

>>8307360
GLB is going to make a digital edition of Chinese GLB, or was it KERA? They're owned by the same company anyway.

I got into lolita in 2007, the late 2000's were a fun time in the fashion. Puppet Circus was only a couple hundred over retail if you were being impatient. Sugary Carnival and Vampire Requiem were $700 dresses. Moitie was still overlord. AP clones just started to become a thing. Talia, Charms, and my all time favorite drama ever... Sniper Nyan. Oh Sniper, how I miss you.

>>8307360
the only people with any interest running/contributing to lolita zines rn are the ones who shouldn't be contributing at all, though

>>8306816
The English GLB sucked though. I think to be successful they would have to dump all brand releases because they will invariably be outdated and we get them online anyway and just post interesting content and news from Japan and international lolitas.

>>8303517
>>8303557
most plus-size girls just did handmade. Their pictures weren't immortalized as great old-school coordinates so they've just kind of disappeared, but I remember seeing plenty of larger people.

>>8307799
At least they didn't stretch the burando out.

>>8307360
>>8307496
I know it's still in the beginning stages, but you guys should really give Poupee magazine a shot. The first issue should be coming out in the next month or so and I know the contributors are a fairly well-respected group of lolitas. Bunnie is really sweet and I know she's working hard to make it a legitimate magazine full of worthwhile content. I contributed an article or two and got a sneak peek at some of the others, and it really does look promising.

The thing I miss the most about old school/early 2000's lolita was the truly punk/subversive look it gave off. I remember fawning over my old Fruits books and seeing the first lolita outfits come to fruition and even though it's a girl in a frilly dress, I thought it was the most badass thing ever. I know that's a terrible word to describe it, but that's really how I feel. Back then, lolita was really out of place with all of the decora kids so it was really refreshing and honestly cool as fuck to see someone decked out in ega/lolita. Now that lolita is relatively commonplace in j-fashion and in the west it doesn't have that punk aesthetic. The best thing for me was seeing a girl in an old Pretty jsk with striped socks, clunky shoes, and a scowl on her face. Now I think the community has become so caught up in color matching and nitpicks that we've really lost the almost...mysterious aspect of it. Back then, lolitas weren't matching every single shade of pink with their coords. They experimented. Seeing street snaps of old lolitas reading/eating/being normal all in a ridiculously out of place outfit was just so magical for me. Maybe part of it is the nostalgia I hold now but I really do remember seeing lolita street snaps and just thinking those women were different. I'm not explaining this well, but I think you gulls in this thread feel the same. It's just sad to me that lolita is all about color matching and full sets now when I remember a time when it was more organic and experimental.

>>8307971
ditto anon, I miss the days when lolita seemed more badass and less self-conscious

>>8307971
Honestly when I come across Japanese blogs with their personal posts or stuff like pictures of store customers and stuff like that lolita does still seem surprisingly subversive, punk and creative. But that's probably also because those are actual street looks. Not American tea parties or museum visits or just damn photo shoots. Western lolita is all about the photo shoot. And I don't know much about the Japanese lolita demographic but Western lolitas are often absolutely not interested in fashion outside of lolita/jfashion and come from the convention scene.

>>8307808
i hope it works out. having some original art and publications can ground the english/western scene i think. do you know if the magazine has plans to get involved with lolita/altfash conventions?

>>8308032
I think there's a lot of truth in this. Unfortunately in a lot of western/non-Japanese communities, if your outfit doesn’t look perfectly coordinated from head to toe and 'photoshoot ready' it risks being slung into the dreaded 'ita' category. I almost think some people are so afraid of the taint of 'ita' status, that they play safe rather than experiment within the known aesthetic of lolita. /cgl/ doesn’t help itself either with its constant bitching, nitpicking and trashing of outfits from around the web. I think even for those who would never come here or have any time for it, the influence of /cgl/ etc on what is deemed 'good' is actually pretty strong and filters through.

There was lolita fucks and its various incarnations back in the day too, then there was getoffegl which was immensely popular for several years, behind the bows etc etc; all of which are geared towards the perpetual surveillance and general monitoring of other lolitas.

Oldschool lolita for me gives off an impression of not existing for anyone's approval, and I can't help but feel nostalgic for it.

>>8308138
>Oldschool lolita for me gives off an impression of not existing for anyone's approval, and I can't help but feel nostalgic for it.
time for an old-fashioned Revival, anon. let's do it.

>>8308138
The hiveminded and nitpicking aspect of modern Lolita are a few of the big reasons I might quit the fashion. I've really been considering it for a few months now. I know nobody is holding a gun to my head and telling me what to do, but the negative attitude, the pressure of perfection, it really does filter through to everyone, and it such a huge thing now, it's even more intimidating since it's more popular, there are more lolitas, more people who might potentially ruin your day by not being able to hold their tongue about what they think of you and your clothes.

It's just not fun for me anymore. I dread putting on my petticoat instead of being excited for it.

On top of that, all the outfits I like are casual or old-school, the two "ita" styles. Originally Lolita was pretty badass and punk and I agree it was all about doing what makes you happy regardless of other people's approval. I wish the old days would come back. I'm not even THAT old.

>>8308138
Absolutely, if you go through the archives of egl or daily lolita from 2009 the clothes were to be worn, for the love of them everday, not just to look good in a bloody photoshoot

>>8308138
>if your outfit doesn’t look perfectly coordinated from head to toe and 'photoshoot ready' it risks being slung into the dreaded 'ita' category.

exactly. I miss it when people's outfits seemed like, well, actual outfits that they wore out. They weren't always perfect, people made compromises for practicality, etc.

I'd be really interested to see coords made by people who know little about it but are very good with fashion styling

assuming a bunch of y'all are on facebook, would "daily lolita/old school revival" group be of interest? or too niche?

http://egl.livejournal.com/13215411.html even something like this -in a lolita post about tattoos, a girl in the comments was doing a suspension in a moite dress, cannot imagine the rich spoilt teenagers in the fashion now being cool about that. It seema to be more about how much money is spent these days, more & more

>>8308341
too niche.
Too many niche groups.
Also we should all just begin to frequent egl again for the true old school stuff.

>>8297400
Oh god i love this style so much this is the one i have fallen in love with.
Yet idk why but i feel stupidly scared as if i was going to be "less important" than lolitas with big printed dresses and lots of burando and accessories. Lolita is not a contest, well it wasn't back then it was about feeling pretty and expressing your inner princess and looking like a cute little doll but now it's like a popularity contest to who's the prettiest,has the biggest wardrobe,...
I miss the forums too like crazy there is nothing like that anymore...

>>8308383
I think all us nostalgia fags should indeed try to repopulate egl again, I think it's the most viable plan.

>>8308488

>>8307808
Bunnie is a fucking ita and proud of it. She's been a right bitch to some contributors

>>8308638
Don't know her well but from the photos I have seen, she is pretty frumpy looking in lolita.

How has she been a bitch though? I would like to hear more about this.

found a blog that does stuff that seems lifestyle? doesn't say stuff about lolita tho:
Princess Doll's Blog
(also it looks like this is the person who runs that terrible shop mentioned on the regretsy and ita threads, lol. But the "princess lessons" aren't half bad.)

>>8307808
I totally forgot about poupee! I hope it turns out well.

>>8307971
I wasn't in lolita back then, but wow, you hit the nail on the head. I hate the full set matchy-matchy obsession where everything has to be the perfect shade and your shoes have to be pink, not black.
I recently saw an unboxing, and the girl said something along the lines of "if you didn't get the matching headbow, you can just use this detachable bow to make one" implying that you cannot make a coordinate without AP to hold your hand and give you all the pieces. It's pathetic

reads this >>8308138

and then this >>8308638 >>8308656

>yup

>>8308489
these days, all of this is considered ita.

>>8309967
just because someone wants to see a return in less meticulously created outfits with hyper matching details doesn't mean someone can't look frumpy and/or its.

>>8303296
Oh god, the people who bitch and moan about lifestyle lolita being stupid are no less obnoxious than the people who say lifestylers are the only true lolitas.

>>8292008
To this day I never understood the hate toward Ashlee. The fakeboi thing was kind of annoying, but it didn't warrant the level of shit she was getting and there were countless people doing so much worse that got way less negative attention than her.

>>8308138
yass.+1
all this ita saturation cant be helpful to people who are really ita

>>8303871
>>8303865
>>8303860
I bought this when it first came out and still have it. I looked through it a few months ago and was overwhelmed by the nostalgia.

Man y'all got rose colored glasses on about Skye. No one remembers the OTT posts about how people who didn't like lifestyle werent true lolitas? Or her flouncing grom EGL, pronouncing it full of ogres? Or the time she forced a friend to make an apology post to EGL because she made charms that looked like Skyes? Or her iron fisted moderation on perth lolita?

Take off the nostalgia lenses, damn.

>>8309967
Well wearing a Meta replica with fishnets and blue lipstick and lank greasy hair is pretty damn ita imo.

>>8308138
>>8308032
I think the Western witch hunt mentality over itas is absolutely insane and everyone needs to calm the fuck down, but I think y'all are romanticising Japanese lolita culture a bit much. I spent a year abroad in Japan for school and in general, they're dressed significantly worse than Westerners. I went to Harajuku several times a week on average and close to half of all the lolitas I saw were just straight up full blown ita. I'm not nitpicking, the shit they wore would be the highlights of any "shitty brand coords" thread. The thing with Japanese lolitas is that their standards are mostly about material quality rather than coordination, as opposed to ours which are about everything across the board. So, basically, if you're wearing a brand dress most would say you're automatically doing it right, no questions asked. Many of the things we consider to be essential rules, they don't expect people to abide me unless they want to. Petticoats? Optional no matter what the dress cut. Nice hair? Optional. Exposed bloomers? Perfectly acceptable. You want to coordinate your pink Twinkle Mermaid skirt with a lime green blouse, gothic bonnet, and lavender socks? Totally fine. That last example is not an exaggeration.

>>8310082
Sometimes I feel like the only Lolita who doesn't give a shit about people being ita or not. I don't care what you're wearing, all that matters to me is that what I'm wearing makes me feel cute and that I have fun doing it. I even like to do things considered ita sometimes. Going pettiless or blouseless, rocking patterned socks ( YEAH STRIPES), wearing normal t shirts with skirts for casual. I used to not care, but as the Lolita community gets bigger I'm starting to worry more about someone telling me off or something for doing it wrong. I don't care what people who don't even know me think about me based on clothes alone, but I also am shy and afraid of being picked on or confronted.

On a related note, does anyone else actually miss the Lolita community being smaller? I've been feeling a bit overwhelmed with how many people are into it now, though I do think it's great that the fashion has caught on so much. I get recognized as a Lolita all the time now, but I actually preferred it when people didn't really know what I was wearing. I've actually had more people who know what Lolita is harass me than people who don't.

>>8281360
I get you. I'm a huge loner and feel fine with that most of the time, but media always depict loners as pathetic bitter losers who deep down in their heart really do want to be invited to party with the cool kids. I'm a loner because I want to be a loner and seeing someone depict that in a positive light for once feels really nice.

>>8310119
No one tells anyone to their face IRL that they disapprove of what they're wearing unless they already don't like each other, it's a newbie in serious need of some polite guidance, or it's something that really needs to be called out, like wearing a replica to a brand event. I've been very active in this fashion for eight years and not once have I seen or known anyone who was picked on IRL for their outfit.

Also, if you're so afraid of what others think and have this much of a problem with there being standards in the fashion, then just don't participate in the online community? I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just pretty much any fashion has guidelines, lolita's are just a bit more strict. If you called yourself goth while wearing an Abercrombie polo shirt and khaki pants, you couldn't fault someone for telling you you're doing it wrong. If you're trying lolita and fail horribly, you can't expect people not to say anything if you put yourself online labeling it as such. It doesn't deserve bullying or ridicule, but expecting no comments other than ass-kissing is a sign you're not cut out for being part of a community.

>>8310082
That's interesting. Now I really want to know more about what is viewed as ita or not in different countries.

>>8310082
Whilst I think there will always be an element of romanticising whenever you observe cultures from afar, the situation you describe still seems pretty healthy to me and a hell of a lot more appealing in general. How someone chooses to wear their own clothes is none of my business. The keeping to oneself seems a lot more sane to me in general, yeah I might have wtf-ed to myself regarding the lime green blouse outfit you mentioned but it's another thing to say, take someone's photo for the very purpose of ridiculing them online. I've lived in Japan too and people would not pull that shit there, and if they did, would more likely to be the one to be mocked than the person they photographed.

Regarding the brand thing, I don't think it's just say, shallowness or 'brand whore' mentality or whatever, I genuinely think people tend to appreciate the artistry of items and like to support products made in Japan. Bodyline for instance, makes its clothing in China, is known to make knock-offs and there is no information about the working conditions etc of those who produce them. I think there's definitely a strong 'buy local, support the economy' mentality in Japan.

>>8310186
>made in Japan
Nope, most major burandos have factories in China.

>>8310082
Just because they're asian and in Harajuku doesn't automatically mean they're Japanese. I go to Harajuku a lot as well and I've noticed that a fair number of the lolitas there are actually Chinese.

>>8310199
are all those 'made in Japan' labels a lie?

Not trying to be uppity here, genuine question.

>>8310207
Chinese lolitas are even worse when it comes to nitpicking and harpying on the other members.

>>8310235
I miss the Chinese Gossip-chan who used to come here.

>>8310243
She still comes here, just under a different trip.

>>8310230
I've had an AP dress that said "made in Japan" on the label but "made in China" on the tag so I'm not sure.

>>8310243
She trips under Nationalist NEET Cunt now.

>>8308638
>>8308656
Bunnie has only ever been super sweet to me. Maybe she got snappy with the people who weren't meeting the deadline?

>>8310057
I never even heard about any of this, wow. I mean, at the time I was newer to lolita and still didn't even realize there could be that much drama in the community because I just ignored it.

>>8310261
I don't know if this is legal in Japan, but in the USA, there are brands that will have things made in China, but have the tag say "Made in the USA" under the justification that the tag was sewn on in the US.

>>8292394
Is that the one who uses darker foundation to look more "PoC"?

>>8310353
That's not legal in the US, either. A label can say "born in the US" (I believe this is what Juicy Couture switched to after they could no longer use "made in the USA" as a tagline) or "designed in the US" but the actual "made in" designation has to be accurate. You can have mixed origin tagging when it's something like "assembled in the US from Mexican parts."

>>8310057
I only remember the thing about her friend apologizing, and I didn't really get that. The entire thing didn't make sense so I think it might have been a misunderstanding.

Anyway, I don't think I'm "wearing rose glasses" as you put it about the past. I realize that nobody is perfect, but Skye still did help me and bring me happiness with her writings. I think you can like someone while still recognizing that they're human and not perfect.

Same with that Victoria Suzanne girl, I don't like some of the shit she's done, but I appreciate the help she gave me through her blog and think she's probably a good person, but just did some dumb things.

>>8292433
>>8307077
It was a Dutch girl, but I've forgotten her name. One of Leyla's cronies. Last I saw her she was trying to be a singer.

>>8310400
Skye made her friend a generic felt charm (ORIGINAL DESIGN DO NOT STEAL!!!) as a gift. Said friend then made similar charms and put them up for preorder. Skye saw and flipped out on the friend. Who then claimed someone hacked her accounts just to steal photos of the charms she put on photo bucket and pretend they were selling the. Whether she believed this or not, Skye told the friend she had to make a public apology that noted the designs were SKYES!!

It is rose colored glasses when people act like she was a dainty princess who was pushed out of lolita by meanies. there's a reason "Skye and her cronies" was a common phrase back then.

>>8310380
Some companies still do it and get away with it

>>8310711
tbh that was kinda shitty of her friend

>>8310711
It doesn't sound like she went about dealing with it in an ideal way, but her friend doesn't exactly sound like some innocent victim in this, either. That claim about being hacked sounds sketchy as fuck and I doubt I would believe her, honestly.

>>8310747
I wasn't there when it happened, but if it was truly generic, what's the big deal? Was Skye trying to sell felt charms as well?

>>8310780
The big deal is it was a heartfelt gift, no matter how generic, and it's in bad taste to start churning out copies of them and start selling them for profit. I'd get upset too.
It's like you making your valentine a generic card and then they start peddling them in the locker rooms during breaks to others. It's shitty.

>>8310791
>>8310747
They weren't copies, and the initial charm wasn't some slaved-for-hours original design present made from pure love and rainbows solely for this person... it was the same types of charms she sold on her own. just given as a present. Said charms were basically the same designs as similar popular charms found in Japanese and various Chinese/Western jewelry shops, and friend decided to try her hand at it.

>It's like you making your valentine a generic card and then they start peddling them in the locker rooms during breaks to others

Not really. It would be like you sell generic cards to make money on the side, giving one to a friend as a present, and that friend later deciding to try their hand at selling generic cards. And if you get so upset about that, that you tell your friend they have to make a public apology, well, you have some issues.

>>8310912
>wasn't some slaved-for-hours original design present made from pure love and rainbows solely for this person
It doesn't have to be. If she gave it as a present, it's still made FOR her.
Haven't your parents taught you any manners?

You sound like you're the friend.

>>8310057
You need to have rose glasses for lolita though. We pick and choose what parts of history we like (the fashion aesthetic) and ignore the bad parts of history (like the violence and women having no rights).
You can appreciate Skye's blog even if she did shitty stuff.

>>8310921
>It doesn't have to be. If she gave it as a present, it's still made FOR her.

And? What does that have to do with Skye being prattish enough to demand a friend make a public apology on EGL for something that isn't a big deal that, even more, pretty much nobody on EGL saw, anyway?

Let's just be clear, though: You think that if a friend gifts you something that lots of people are also selling (aka these charms) you should yourself not be allowed to make similar designs (that lots of people were selling) ever? Or else you're a terrible person?

Interesting.

>>8310945
You can appreciate Skye's blog, but there's this sentiment lately of "oh poor Skye, she was driven off by mean lolitas! She was a True Princess, and I wish she would come back!" She was basically the Perth version of Amber, cloaked in her blog's fairy tale aesthetic.

>>8310057
The thing about the friend who was forced to apologise made no sense to me. So I ignored. But to finally react (and in quite a nice way, I might say) after being bullied by egl members for years and after that to be seen as being unfair is funny to say the least.

She's not perfect; I've always found some of her posts and ideas quite silly, to be honest. But I liked the persona behind them; I liked the bit of heart we could see through those words and photos. And I miss her terribly for that. But I'm glad to read she's fine and just found her own way in life.

>>8311107
>But to finally react (and in quite a nice way, I might say) after being bullied by egl members for years and after that to be seen as being unfair is funny to say the least.

how was she bullied by EGL members for years?

I actually still love the ringlet style wigs. I think a lot of lolitas today would just cringe, though. :/

Oh man. Black x white was THE combination, if not all black. I remember thinking this way during 2003-2004. Wow.... I haven't thought about that era in a long time.

>>8308488
>from when AP was simply Pretty
Now this is some serious old school shit