/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

inb4 Marie Antoinette

>>8190772
AAAhhh this is the first time I've seen this minty green/champagne pairing in an actual historical outfit. I'm working on something similar with the same colors and was so worried it would look weird but this is so pretty!
>>8190775
so much dress porn. need moar.

Me IRL

I was so worried this thread wasn't going to take off, haha.

>>8190925
This is gorgeous! Does anyone know what that type of top is called?

>>8191177
Will try to deliver!

>>8191277
Holy shit, okay, so I was going through this website called Romantic Threads for inspiration for one of my cosplays and I found that they did a kind of replica for this dress and it was just... sad.

>>8191296
Here's another photo in natural lighting, which is better.... but still sad.

>>8191296
>This is gorgeous! Does anyone know what that type of top is called?
you can find more about it here
http://www.allenantiques.com/R-34.html

>>8191300
Thank you!
Also, I must say that your LARP thread inspired me to join my local communities.

>>8191308
larp community or seagull community?

also, I don't know how historical is this costume as it was made for a larp but cutleranon assured me he seen worse stuff at Stirling Castle

>>8191312
LARP community. I'm hoping to be able to make beautiful clothing like these to play in, but from what I've seen so far, it seems like they don't really go above and beyong with what they wear and I don't want to be the odd one out, especially since I'm new haha

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>>8191298
That's disturbing.

>>8191316
well, if you are in the US the people in SCA would appreciate stuff like this waaaay more.
as a rule of thumb US larps are below average in quality

Ever After with Drew Barrymore is probably one of my favorite movies just for the costumes. It's a shame that everyone always focuses on her party dress/fairy costume. Her step mom's wardrobe was way nicer.

>>8191319
Yeah, it's depressing.

>>8191320
Oh, SHIT, this is exactly what I was looking for! I noticed how much others (mostly Europeans) felt about US LARPS and I can see what they're talking about, from the groups that I'm in. I hope they'll be able to grow and expand quickly, but.... I don't see that happening anytime soon. At the very least, they're super nice and welcoming, which is encouraging

>>8191335
>I hope they'll be able to grow and expand quickly, but.... I don't see that happening anytime soon.
most people wait for this since forever. Very little improvement happened during the years.
I mean US larps doesn't improved in any meaningful way since they became a thing.

Then again as long as you enjoy that go and have fun

>>8191347
Yeah.. Maybe one day I'll be able to attend one of the large scale events, like the Harry Potter one held at a castle in Poland. My dreams, man.

>>8191374
there is now an even more expensive larp in poland, a Witcher one.

Although mind you even the harry potter larp is more expensive than Drachenfest which is a one week larp

>>8191382
>all those rapiers

Now I just wanna shank a bitch in the armpits.

>>8191389
I like your style. Have some daggers for dickstabbing

>>8191382
Ugggggggggggh
What I would give just to join the Harry Potter LARP
You seem pretty cool, you feel like a friend <3

>>8191401
>What I would give just to join the Harry Potter LARP
348 usd plus travelling.
although I talked with some of the organizers during PORTAL 3 and they are renaming the game for college of wizardry because the Harry Potter guys said they won't allow fun using that name.

also if you ever come to a larp where I also attend you are good for a random drink

>>8191413
That honestly doesn't sound too bad to stay in a castle (I'm assuming a room and meals are included?) and just be a wizard for a weekend. Thats like one night at a hotel and this shit is in a castle.
And maybe.... some day

>>8191424
just to put it into perspective: A ticket to Drachenfest is 116 usd at the moment (gets more and more expensive closer to the event, you can get it even for 95 usd if you buy it early on) and that's for a week.
Although you have to bring your tent and food isn't included.
But you can meet upstanding gentlemans there like these in the Landsknecht camp

>>8191434
Those hunks sure do get me going. The thing is I regularly go to conventions and tickets for big 3 day events are like $70 (also gets higher the closer to the event)+ $120-$200 for hotel depending if I'm staying with other people. Drachenfest is suuuper cheap for a whole week though.... hm....

I guess it's just my dedication to Harry Potter. Also castles. I love castles. I wanna go through those aforementioned secret doorways and passageways haha

>>8191460
well to be honest, the airplane ticket will be probebly more expensive than the ticket to the event.

Also, let me put Drachenfest into perspective again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7Jv4Wtfng

But yeah... castles.

Does anyone/any of the LARPfags have a good site for reference for Renaissance period clothing? My local one is coming up and i'm going to be working there, problem is their rental costumes suck.

Also the setting is, "Revel Grove, Oxfordshire, England: The year is 1521. King Henry VIII with his Queen, Katherine of Aragon, and their royal court visit the village as part of their annual summer progress."

>>8191503
I will dig up something when I get home but pinterest is surprisingly good at this.
example
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/16747829840241561/

>>8191512
Thank you, i'm always afraid when it comes to pintrest, like some time periods will be mixed in with others, but maybe i just need to give it a chance.

Anyway, thank you again.

>>8191434
Those men are fiine.

ayy bby wanna give me some courtly love
let me sharpen u sword
i need help defendin my honor
and by that i mean have sex
with me
right in the vagina

>>8191579
They are Landsknechts. They are pretty bad with defending honor. Although they are pretty good with your definition of defending honor

>>8191547
so do you need more pics or did you found what you want?

I suggest you look up outfits from A Royal Affair, or watch the movie. The movie does have nudity, but is based on real events in history. The costumes are!lovely, though.

Are lovely*. Sorry about the random !.

I'm planning to make a viking-underdress, and if it turns out fine I'll make an aprondress too. I've found some good pages about it, now I just need to read through them properly an decide on a pattern.

I just can't deal with the cockflaps

Yes, I've missed these!

Any requests? I have mainly original sources (extant clothing, paintings, illustrations, statuary, etc) from 11th through to 20th Century.

Someday I want to just give in to my inner angry Trinity Blood faggot and make an accurate Ditchley Portrait gown just so I can be angry and uncomfortable and very smug in a drum farthingdale. I have yet to see an Esther Blanchett cosplayer do her coronation gown accurate to the Ditchley Portrait and it makes me so irrationally mad.

>>8195097
I'd like to see some... not sure if there's an official word for it, but these sort of "faux shepherdess" outfits from the 18th century? I doubt there's any extant clothing but paintings or costumes/reproductions would be nice. I have one costume to share.

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>>8194960
I've made three dresses with http://www.holyort.net/projects/patterns/underdress/underdress.html pattern. They are really quick to sew up, but I do find the underarms are not quite as comfortable as when you use square underarm gussets like I did with my overcoat. Great pattern to start out with though.

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These are all from http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/showcase.htm a most drool worthy site

>>8195411
And finally, this is the dress I am looking to recreate for an event next year (I am expecting it to take a very long time)
http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2010/Laura.htm

>>8195327

The faux country/peasant style clothing generally comes under a robe a l'Anglaise as far as I know, although I have a feeling there might be a more specific name for the ones like you're looking for.

>>8195327

Not quite in the same style but I love this one too much not to post it.

There's also the robe a la polonaise style, for those that were ruched up in the back.

>>8195431
Oh no, not robe l'anglaise. I mean some of them incorporate those. But it's the specific faux country/shepherdess/rustic style I'm after.

>>8195443

The 18th century style faux rustic style as led by Marie Antoinette tended to look more like this one, the more overt examples of shepherdess dress are likely to be from costume balls rather than day-to-day wear I'd say.

>>8195446
>the more overt examples of shepherdess dress are likely to be from costume balls rather than day-to-day wear I'd say.

I don't think anyone is saying they were day to day wear! In the same way that portraits of women as goddesses weren't examples of day to day wear, or portraits of women with their breasts hanging out doesn't mean they went around baring it all.

The more overt examples of 18th century shepherdess dresses were mainly for portraits. Since they were popular from about the 1750s up until the 1780s (though to a different and lesser extent) their style ranges depending on the era. But regardless of the era, the main distinction is the addition of "country" or "peasant" accessories that are meant to invoke--well, country life, idealized peasantry, shepherdesses, etc.

Semi related note, but I finally found some clear photos of one of the few extant chemise a la reines left. And last I heard, the website of the collection its in is redoing its collection gallery with new (and better) images.

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>>8195446
I think the style anon might be looking for is more like this. Marie Antoinette wore is while playing 'shepherdess' at a country home apparently because she didn't enjoy court life and the clothing she had to wear; hence the 'free' bust area and 'simple' sash tied at the waist.

>>8195476
I think Marie Antoinette wore this style on a daily basis when she was at the country home, not just for portraits.

>>8195493
and here's doll replica of the look.

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>>8195500
check out the shepherdess portraits and costume already posted, then compare them to the chemise.

I never said she didn't wear the chemise as a regular outfit. We're talking about the exaggerated shepherdess portraits with exaggerated shepherdess accessories.

>>8195519

I can't find any in my collection. Interested to see if you do find more though

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here

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>>8195493
Made a quick image for you! The chemise and the typical exaggerated shepherdess style are just... very different beasts! The exact features of the shepherdess style can very by decade, since it's basically a portrait costume it evolved with the ties. The most iconic are those with the laced up bodices and aprons or laces and ample hip floof, which also showed up in a lot of 19th century paintings of 18th century life..

>>8195434
I want to make a lolita version of this

some day...

>>8195545
Just erase everything below the knee and shorten the hem and voila! You have a lolita version of the dress.

You don't kneed, years and years of research.

Just watched this movie a week ago, In Secret. It was good enough-- especially if you like depressing historical fiction. It was also nice to look at.

>>8195719

They're not terribly historically accurate (more like 1930s meets 18th century) but hot damn I love the costumes from the old Marie Antoinette movie with Norma Shearer.

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bump

>>8195779
This is glorious.

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>>8191424
Where does one buy/obtain dresses like these?

>>8197497
Nice ones? Custom ateliers that cost a fuck ton of money

>>8197398
right? the costumes are so stunning. shame the film wasn't in color

I love court dresses from this era

they just can't figure themselves out

>>8197748
The money isn't really an issue, I was expecting that, but where would you go to get something really nice? It'd have to be somewhere trustworthy and reliable, but they'd also have to have experience in something of the sort/

>>8198493
There's Reine des Centfeuilles, pic is something they made.

http://historical-costumes.com

their website is weird, but if you go to 'our historical costumes' there's a slide show.

>>8195789
What should I search for to find more pictures of this dress in particular? God damn I'm in love and I just want more of this specific dress.

>>8191952
Like anyone would be offended by the sight of Mads Mikkelsen's sweet, sweet naked buns. Hell I'd pay just for that.

That movie is crazy good though and is usually on Netflix for at least one country.

>>8195327
I know the hats are called bergere and that's all I've got for you.

>>8198529
I'll share some for you

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>>8198729
the dressing being restored recently

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>>8198739
That's all I have outside of screencaps. If you search "marie antoinette gilbert adrian" or "Marie antoinette norma shearer" or "marie antoinette 1938" on google images you should find more!

la reine margot has such beautiful costumes

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>>8198745
All of my thanks anon!

How accurate are the costumes in shows like Reign and Borgia? I really like them, and I know Borgia does its best to be historically accurate.

>>8200074
I don't know about Reign but I've seen the first season of Borgia. From that I can tell you that those cloths that aren't inaccurate are from different time periods. Sometimes it's just a few decades difference, sometimes more.
Most of the armors are shit...

>>8200076
Huh, interesting. Is all the papal shit inaccurate too?

one of my fav dress porn tumblrs:
http://fripperiesandfobs.tumblr.com/

>>8200094
which part? if you mean the all around dickery that's kind of correct in a broad term.

>>8200074
reign's costumes are very inaccurate. most of them don't even try to look like they vaguely belong in the era. At least most of the Tudors costumes tried to look "Tudor," but with flashier colors and more bosoms.

>>8195208
But it's accurate to the artist's design? I've always been torn between being historically accurate and accurate to the design of outfits in-series. Suggestions/advice?

>>8198775
I love this film and these costumes!! Isabelle Adjani is perfect.

>>8200175
do what makes you happier but if you choose the authentic way don't pretend that it's what they wore in the series and vice versa

>>8193667
That hussy! No shift!

>>8200095
How come her shoulders are that low ?

>will never get to wear 18th century garb at marie antoinette's hamlet

damn it all

So does anyone own any old (I'm thinking pre 1920) clothing?

>>8200311
I had an 1890s top at one point, and it was in really good condition. I ended up giving it to the museum I worked at because it was made for waif like proportions (or just a reeeeally tight corset.)

I have a 1910s cape that I love dearly.

>>8200074
http://www.exurbe.com/?p=2176
Here's an interesting article on historical inaccuracies in Borgias and Borgia.

>>8200311
I have a pair of leather, high button shoes from the late 1800's. They look to be about a size 6,but they are half the width of a modern shoe!!!

>>8201352
Thanks for the link, that's a great article. I love to read stuff like that.

>>8195730
What movie is it?

>>8202620
In Secret

I'd really like to make a chemise a la reine

>>8190771
I love poking through this website: http://www.costumersguide.com
It has close up photos of outfits used in different movies.

This is reference pic from Young Victoria, found on http://www.costumersguide.com/victoria13.shtml

>>8203942
And this is a close up of the bodice of this dress.

>>8200126
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on with this outfit?

This is going to sound like an odd (possibly impossible) request, but does anyone have any Elizabethan or Tudor-style in pastel colors like pink or powder blue? I'm a bit desperate for some inspiration right now. It doesn't need to be 100% historically accurate because what I'm doing isn't.

>>8204007
Symbolism. Im sure someone has analyzed it and pointed out all the emblematic shit in the painting at some point, but really all paintings were more about what message you convey with it than actual dresses.

>>8204026

I've got a couple, more white & gold and silver, but I'll chuck up all the Tudor stuff I have that's in paler colours.

>>8204890

Mostly sketches. But hopefully it'll help you to envision something.

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Bonus pinkest dress you'll ever see.

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Bonus one for the men

I love this dress so much, even though it's a replica.

how about something non European?

>>8191335
this movie is the shit

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>>8204994
And while i'm posting coronation gowns...

>>8204890
These actually help a ton! Thank you so much, anon!

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>>8204945
Forgive my general ignorance in telling Asian cultures apart, but what country are these from? I've never seen the kind where it's tied above the bust like that.

>>8205277
all chinese.

>>8204959
fuck you whore.

>>8205292
>this
>movie
>is
>the
>shit

nice reading comprehension.

>>8204007
>Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on with this outfit?

>>8204030
>Symbolism. Im sure someone has analyzed it and pointed out all the emblematic shit in the painting at some point, but really all paintings were more about what message you convey with it than actual dresses.

Right!
I happened to watch a little of a program talking about clothing of the era and this painting came up. The curator said that it represented the omnipotence of the monarch. She had eyes and ears everywhere.

"Attributed to Isaac Oliver, perhaps the most heavily symbolic portrait of the queen is the Rainbow Portrait. It was painted around 1600–1602, when the queen was in her sixties. In this painting an ageless Elizabeth appears dressed as if for a masque, in a linen bodice embroidered with spring flowers and a mantle draped over one shoulder, her hair loose beneath a fantastical headdress.[65] She wears symbols out of the popular emblem books: the cloak with eyes and ears, the serpent of wisdom, the celestial armillary sphere, and carries a rainbow with the motto non sine sol iris ("no rainbow without the sun"). Strong suggests that the complex "programme" for this image may be the work of the poet John Davies, whose Hymns to Astraea honouring the queen use much of the same imagery, and suggests it was commissioned by Robert Cecil as part of the decor for Elizabeth's visit in 1602, when a "shrine to Astraea" featured in the entertainments of what would prove to be the "last great festival of the reign".

>>8195327
"Chemise a la Reine" ?

>>8206390
No. Already been discussed. Very different concepts.

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>>8206421
Ugh, sorry, I didn't read the whole conversation. Well, I'll just contriboot anyway.

I remember seeing the trailer to this show, but never got around watching it. Is it pretty good?

>>8206459
Very good, kinda sad sometimes but very good. Same style as Downton abbey

>>8206459
What is this called? I like Downton. So sad my Tomfu left QQ

>>8208108
Selfridges

>>8206459
Second season is better than the first, imo.

>>8200208
Padding maybe? Also the general cut of the dress helps. Sloping shouders were considered beautiful at the time.

surprised I didn't see doxiequeen1 posted. I don't know shit about historical garments, but her work amazes me

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>>8210355
did you see the dress she did last year w/ christmas lights?? sooooo pretty

>>8210363
That and her Elsa cape holy moly. I can't believe she's only 17, she's so talented. I'm so excited to see where she's going in life

>>8210355
She used to trip here until she got underage b&. She's fantastically talented, I adore her work. I'm also super jealous, ngl! Can't wait to see where she goes.

>Movies with delicious costumes
not a movie but a BBC series. How is The Paradise not on here yet?

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This is ita as fuck :3

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u wot m8

>>8211012
Don't respond to troll. Janitor hasn't banned them yet for some unknown reason?

>>8210998
you're on a roll tonight

>>8211060
That's because the fucking hate me so much they went out of their way to god damn find out my tripcode. I've been having issues with the anon for awhile now, I just didn't believe they would go this far because they are annoyed with me.

>>8211099
~*~they*~*

>>8211099
more than one person has your trip you know, it got posted.

>>8211129
If you mean the password, but the name in front of the code I have been using here for years. Shit finally boiled over. I didn't use a secure code because I didn't think somebody would be this mad with me to find out the password. I just want them to message me on tumblr and see what their terms are. If they want me to leave /cgl/ for good, fine, whatever, I'll leave if they hate me this much.

Does anyone have a resource for historical patterns?
In the meanwhile, umping some photographs I took a while ago.

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