/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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whoops. This was actually a little more recent, iirc.

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1/2

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2/2
Ugh, so mad that I misplaced my flash drive with my backed up files. I had soo many old scans - even the article about lolita in Bust.

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>tfw Avant Gauche is still around.

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Damn, a bunch of files are broken though.

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Ugh she so cute. Emmie + Lauran were perf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjMWfmwNfaw

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Oh my lanta. I just remembered brionyalissa and listrinepree and their urbexing photoshoots. I've tried to dig them up on egl, but a good portion of their photos are broken.

>>8156018
Them in old KERA

>>8156020
Holy fuck. The last time I saw that dress was on the second hand brand section of Rose Chocolat in 2011. That site is gone now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjZSRphA6lg

Weird. I used to hate her for her voice, but now I find the Riot Grrl feel really endearing.

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>>8156031
Neat stripes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCSCNwM-OM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hO2Iro66k#t=25

I kind of missed these girls.

Man, I remember seeing this stuff in high school (circa 10+ years ago) and being confused by what was supposed to be attractive about it. Still get the same feeling now tbh. It's really interesting to see how the fashion has evolved - makes me wonder where it's going to be in another decade.

>>8156038
Damn. Chocolate was trying to sell this once. I was interested because muh boz but didn't go for it because I had no idea what it would look like worn.

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>mfw most of those would be considered ita

>>8156036
I loved her voice. And her little pouts.

>>8156044
Not caroline though.

>>8155939
That meta coord is pushing all of my newschool buttons. Nothing maaaatches.

>>8156194
Yep, old school lolita was way more flexible and creative in regards to the style.

>yes, this is a brand image
>no, I don't get it either

>>8156060
Yep, it's why I hate cgl's knee-jerk "itaaaaa" scream. There's ita, and then there is just different or creative.

>>8156002
Oh man, she was/is my lolita inspiration, she managed to look good even during the period where some of the brand ads would look 'ita' by today's standards. I remember when she posted to the Blue Period forums wearing a blue and white outfit with striped socks, seeing that picture was what really made me fall in love with the fashion. Wish I still had that pic or could find it again. I think she went by 'Mistress M' back then.

>>8156014
I love this version of the 'old school' headdress, not really maxipadish at all, and contrasts beautifully with their hair.

>>8156815
This is her flickr account which has looooots of old lolita photos - maybe you can find it?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/43981409@N00/favorites/with/226883375/#photo_226883375

Sorry I don't know how to narrow it down. She has thousands of photos :/

>>8156815
This is her flickr account which has looooots of old lolita photos - maybe you can find it?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/indrasarrow/178040043

Sorry I don't know how to narrow it down. She has thousands of photos :/

>>8156024
I really enjoyed their photo shoots but boy, they made /cgl/ look like COF on bunnysnuggles day.

>>8156024
oh god the amazing locations they found, I was so jealous. I remember them taking photos in some kind of art nouveau asylum (?), those photos got me into urbexing and photography. thank you girls ;_;

>>8156041
Love KS, my personal fave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMHrE-RGygc&list=RDJMHrE-RGygc#t=28

These socks are so cute *-*
I wasn't into lolita back then but all of this feels so nostalgic to me.

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>>8156815
https://www.flickr.com/photos/indrasarrow/sets/?&page=2
She has stuff sorted by brand so if you know what brand the dress was you can find it.

>>8156636
Whispers..'.it's still pretty much like that in Japan though'..

Seriously, most of the heavy rules stuff developed in the west when those seeing it for the first time wanted to lump the fashion in with Little Big Girl, sexy goth, Kinder Whore etc etc. Lolita fashion had to fight to retain its image as a unique/distinct alternative fashion and ran the risk of being bastardized beyond all recognition (at least that was the fear anyway).

>>8156858
Thank you anons, I did look through the sets a while back but it's not in there as far as I can tell, it was also posted before she joined. I reckon it must have been from 2002/03.

This thread makes me miss the days before photoshop and high key lighting abuse.

>>8156858
>emoji
>on 4chan
anon pls

>>8155978
Thanks for the nightmares....

>>8155946
Still one of my dream dresses

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Can we bring these looks back please? I miss these days of lolita fashion so much. :c

>>8157742
Stalk the Japanese auctions. There are tons of these on the cheap.

I looked through a recent GLB and saw a bunch of girls bringing back the old-school styles. I guess people over there are feeling nostalgic too.

>>8156036
This is so nostalgic for me. I got into Lolita when i was in my early teens and never had the money for it but was really inspired by Kana and tried to be cute anyway without being lolita. Years later i got old enough where I got a job, bought lots of brand, wore it, and realized that by the time i actually got to do it, it wasn't the same thing anymore. And now, here I am, selling all my brand and realizing that I'll never really get to dress lolita like I'd always dreamed as old school pieces are too hard to come by and even if I wore them like they showed in the GLBs, now I don't even have the community on my side to back me up because most recognize it as ita. First world problems I know but it's really disheartening to finally try something you've waited years to do and realize you caught up to it too slow. This must be the feeling young classic rock fans feel.

>>8158772
Please stop self-posting so much, especially when it's not relevant to the thread. A maxipad headdress and RHS do not magically make your coord oldschool and this thread is specifically for actual oldschool scans and snaps (meaning, from longer ago than you've been a lolita).

>>8158772
what bag is that?

>>8158772
I agree with >>8158888, this attempt at oldschool REALLY misses the mark. I kinda do want to see some new coords that are good throwbacks, but damn these scans are making me so happy.

>>8158916
It looks closer to legit old school than the majority of the "old school" coords that get posted in CoF. What do you not like about it? It's pretty much a staple coord.

>>8157724
>Thanks for the nightmares....
???

>>8159170
Nothing fits her and also everything looks like it was just recently made, with really current BTSSB looking lace, large bag emblem, and that overpoof. That headdress also looks like it was made out of construction paper; everything about this looks like shit.

>>8158913
its from baby! i have it too, but i dont know the name of it. they pop up on closet child pretty frequently though, thats where i got mine a little while ago

>>8156882
i agree! the rules here are so strict but even in recent issues of glb, theres a ton of coords shown that would make cgl cringe. street fashion in japan is also really creative with lolita and mixes styles a lot.

>>8158772
If you wish to makes me look like I selfpost, at least use a flattering and recent picture.

>>8156030
My dream print~
I recently got the skirt, still looking for the OP though *sigh*

>>8158913
That's a Baby Plate Bag.
http://lolibrary.org/apparel/baby-plate-bag-0

Second hand they normally go for $100-180, but I nabbed mine for about $70.

>>8159321
While they are more creative, I have to disagree that all of the outfits look good...some of them, even the street snaps, are hot messes.

>>8159353
Why would you be shitty at someone for posting your photo? They're obviously a fan.

>>8159269
>Nothing fits her
Old school has a tendency to look frumpier
>really current BTSSB looking lace
What are you on about? They've been using that cotton lace since forever
>Large emblem bag
Those kinds of bags were actually way more popular back in the day, especially Metas
>Overpoof
That I agree with is a bit more modern, but it wasn't that unusual back then
>Construction paper headdress
That's because it's made out of the more solid and less floaty materials that were used more in old school

TL;DR: Pretty much everything you said points it towards being old school

>>8159539
I should've been less hard, true. I'm just a bit iffy about these posts now, never know if it's meant as positive or not.

>>8159585
no.

>>8159353
if you don't want to seem like you selfpost, try not responding in the thread to baww about how it was 'totes not you' after you get called out for selfposting(read, don't post about it at all)

Back on topic. Baby's re-releasing their past hits, I want them all.

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I'm really hyped up about it. Looking forward to getting more flowercart embroidery and that tartan dress, and seeing what changes Baby will do to some of the older designs.

I have to say I hate the new jsk version for flowercart embroidery, though I do like the pink x brown idea.

>>8159597
I just explained why you're wrong, if you disagree then say why but what you said before goes against your original argument

>>8155979
Fumiko is dat you?

I don't feel like taking the time to dump this all, so have an imgur album

http://imgur.com/a/7fpbc

>>8159661
A lot of it is otome, not lolita

>>8159664
I have separated out the lolita from otome and aristocrat/ouji (and old from new) and will now post them here since other anon is too lazy to.

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Last one

Think this is Novala Takemoto

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(This is a dude btw, so the skirt is really short)

>>8159758

These scans were marked as GLB1, I never did figure out if it really is the first volume

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Innocent World lol

>>8159758

I love this jsk, I have it in black. Seeying this kinda makes me want the red version as well.

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RIP

>>8159785

This is what sweet used to look like...

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Is this brand still around?

>>8159661
Awesome anon, thank you, gave me the nostalgia tingles. Also, holy crap, pic related is how ball joint prints should be done, so much for learning from the past. I don't ever remember seeing this image though, any idea what glb/kera etc it's from?

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>>8158772

Not old school. Also, OP is asking for pictures taken when old school was new school.

>>8159795

This is old school AP (title page is next)

>>8159700

Does anyone know what dress this is and by which brand? It's gorgeous!

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>>8159762
I bloody had this but it mysteriously went missing..still slightly suspicious about what happened to it to this day. Oh how I wish you could still find all the scans online without broken links etc. Man we were spoiled rotten back in the day, what with having access to all the scans etc for so many years.

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>>8159798
Kaya tends to do collabs with btssb the most often, so your best chances to are to look at their releases.

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>>8159780
love big lolita hair, hope to see more of it and yup, I loved the recent fro-chan images doing the rounds.

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iktf, I have missing pages in mine

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That's the end of my dump. Might come back and post more if thread is still around tomorrow.

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Self post but this was actually taken when old school was new school

>>8159863
Another outfit, face blurred because this was back when I was all "lol what is makeup"

>>8159786
I know I'm being a pedantic bastard but, not quite anon, the pic you posted whilst somewhat sweet would still have been considered leaning slightly towards the gothic. Sweet used to look more like pic related but didn't get much air time (especially in the west) after the gothic lolita look started to emerge and gained in popularity. People seem to forget that slightly ropey/frumpy looking sweet and even punkish lolita looks were around before before 'gothic lolita' and their origins were in part, connected to otome (especially pink house) and natural-kei styles plus a whole bunch of musicians/artists.

>>8159867
Are you finally out of our country yet?

>>8159881
Not sure what country you're referring to. But probably yes, rejoice for I'll no longer be a burden on your poor souls.

>>8159863
2006? Cool pic but i must admit I tend to think of stuff a bit earlier than this when I think of 'old school'. You definitely deserve credit for looking so well put together though, back when there were more dubious outfits (certainly by today's standards) floating around that not.

>>8159883
Good. Hopefully the rest of you retarded rabble stay away from us.
Athon was a joy without seeing your ugly faces.

>>8159884
Thank you! I'd already been into it since 2004 but that's the oldest pic I could dig up so I thought I'd post it so there could be a bit more western representation on here. (A lot of the older ones of me have been lost since they were taken on a film camera)

>>8159615
I'm the one who said I didn't like the coord, and I'm not the one who just gave the "no." response.

I did make a mistake on the lace, since I couldn't see it well from my phone. I thought it was the more modern net-looking stuff and not the crochet, but that still doesn't save this coord. That headdress is a sad excuse for an accessory even with simpler older standards, and it all looks seriously lazy. Like sure, it can align with superficial spoken standards, but in the end it misses the mark and is just someone crying WAH NOTICE ME by posting something that is incredibly underwhelming and not what was requested.

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The comment "this is what sweet used to look like..." refers to both >>8159786 and >>8159788 being Baby, The Stars Shine Bright, which I've always known as a sweet lolita brand. Most of the designs would have no quarrel being labeled sweet if it were the pink colourway.

Kinda a shock seeing the whole two pages being bxw (and as you say leaning towards gothic), but there's no arguing that it is indeed BTSSB. Hence the three ellipses. Even I'm not sure what to make of it.

>>8158888
I am in the same situation as you OP, I got into Lolita when I was in my early teens right before things just started changing into the OOT sweet trend. I was completely in love with the simple print-less sweet style of the day and the old school styles that weren't that old at the time. It was the fairy tale maiden look and attitude that really drew me in. I wasn't able to get any Lolita clothes until the year after I graduated school and since then I only accumulated a couple of dresses, all of them being modern prints. Turns out I hate prints on myself and don't feel the love for the dresses I have that I did for the dresses I used to dream about. Modern Lolita is cute on other people but it isn't the style that I loved and it doesn't suit me. I want to try getting a few old school dresses and try to make a wardrobe in a style I REALLY love, but now I feel like it's "too late" and I know that's super dumb and I don't really understand why I feel that way, maybe it's because I don't have the time or chances to wear crazy clothes anymore like I did when I was younger. I really hope the old school styles and attitudes make a comeback, damn I missed it so much. My life during school was awful and it was Lolita that really kept me going.

>>8160163
This isn't quite old school but isn't quite modern. From the time when I got into Lolita right at the sweet boom. I think I have a few pictures of this style but since it's not OLD school I'll just post a couple.

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I love that jsk. I'm a little miffed that the person who sold it to me didn't have a matching head-bow with it.

AP had some wonderful pieces from 2008-2010
>pic not related

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>mfw iktf

>>8158900
I'm the anon who posted that picture and it's totally not a self-post. I just did a google-search for old school lolita, but I didn't look into when the file was made. I do recognize the lolita though, but only because of the bathroom -kek -- so yeah, I'm sorry for cheating a little instead of finding an actual outfit from pre-radioactive cupcake sweet lolita like OP wanted. I just thought that the elements looked cute together. If it were really from a while ago, the petticoat would at least be less fuller.

I've been involved in lolita since there used to be a myspace group for the fashion. If you want to let your bloomers get in a bunch, at least contribute.

>squee

I'm so glad these images still exist. I wish I knew what happened to my physical copy. Oh man, knowing that I bought that issue from Borders is a little upsetting.

>1/6

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2/6

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3/6

>tfw was 17 and never got to go a day without wearing gothic lolita

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4/6

>>8160746
I kind of want to bust out my KG dvd. . .

>>8160753

you know you've been away from egl for too long when your coord gets posted as old school...

>>8160753
nana~

>>8160772
Man! I wish that BL still sold replicas of those Baby shoes.

One of the first images that made me fall in love with lolita.

>>8159875
Yeah, no. Just because it's black doesn't make it gothic. It's completely sweet. Most of the outfits in your picture are otome, not lolita so it shows what you know.

I miss old school so much it hurts. I just can't get into modern Lolita at all and I love the more simple and haphazard look of old school. That rebellious but feminine look outfits had. The attitude of romance and boldness mixed together. I wish old school would come back. Fashion tends to recycle itself so hopefully one day it will happen.

>>8160998
... that's what lolita looked like in the early days

>>8155939

The dress on the left looks like someone threw up alphagettis all over it.

>>8159708
Damn, I know it's not hard to recognize Mana from a thumbnail clip, but I'm still a little shocked that I did. So nostalgic...

>>8159758
Lots of these photos are of dudes--is he just particularly tall?

>>8160998
Uh... no. >>8159875 is right--that's how lolita was portrayed back in the day and this >>8159786 would've been called gothic.

>>8161148
No it didn't, otome influenced lolita but it was never actually lolita. They're sister styles, not the same thing.

>>8161432
No, >>8159786 was never gothic. It's just sweet in darker colours. Jesus, there are so many newfags on this board. The gothic brands were/are Moitie, Kazuko Ogawa, Atelier Pierrot, Atelier Boz, Arachnophobia, etc. They even had seperate make-up tutorials for sweet lolita (usually just named lolita) vs gothic and Baby was always just lolita. If it was in black and white you'd think it was sweet because you can't tell it's black (which does not make anything gothic by any means).

Can we please have less bitching and more pictures? I love discussing the origins of Lolita but this is not really discussing.

>>8159804
We should make some kind of underground lolita network that has all the old scans and patterns etc, but is hard to get into so that it doesn't get spammed by certain people with their crappy patterns.

>>8161530
Otome wasn't even a fucking thing back then.

Are you retarded or just trying to seem like you know everything about a culture you're obviously a newfag in?

>>8162161

Jane Marple was founded in 1985. Emily Temple Cute in 1983.

>>8162155
I just wish we could update Avant Gauche. There are tumblrs dedicated to old-school lolita - scans and coordinates new and old. I wonder if it'd be worth going back to lj and creating a community there for old-school stuff. I like the social aspect of FB, but it's hard to organize things there.

I used to have an old school loli tumblr a while ago until I had to delete my main blog. I still have the name tho if anyone would be interested in me starting it back up.

>>8159807
I wonder if the girl in this photo knows how iconic this picture is in the western lolita world.

To the anons arguing, read this 'fyeahlolita dot blogspot dot co dot uk/2010/02/old-school-lolita-in-90s-80s-and-70s.html' breathe, then come back. Yes this >>8159875
is what early (sweet) lolita looked like and yes, there is some cross over/grey area with otome; the otome 'maiden' look also existed before the fully formed lolita look emerged. No fashion emerges fully formed from some kinda ultimate lace filled primordial soup, it develops, it evolves - of course there are going to be shades of grey before it becomes more distinctive.

>>8161530
>just sweet in dark colors
it may pain you to hear this anon but looks like that whilst fairly sweet, are frequently refereed to as' ゴスロリ' in the Japanese lolita bibles, there was/is a bit of grey here too, I'm not saying it's strictly gothic (it's not), but it's not strictly sweet either, the brands you mentioned such as Moite etc were certainly gothic but there was definitely a sort of darker (whilst perhaps not in a 'I shit bats' kinda way) image associated with some of the blackxwhite looks such as >>8158766 Pic related is on a japanese forum marked as 'ゴスロリ', this isn't due to ignorance, this is kinda definition is everywhere. Perhaps the western community has redefined/become stricter with aspects of the fashion, and that has value but it's not the only perspective.
Man why does /cgl/ hate grey areas so much(?).

>>8161530
>just sweet in dark colors
Eh, 'yes and no' - it may pain you to hear this anon but looks like that whilst fairly sweet, are frequently referred to as' ゴスロリ' in the Japanese lolita bibles, there was/is a bit of grey here too, I'm not saying it's strictly gothic (it's not), but it's not strictly sweet either, the brands you mentioned such as Moite etc were certainly gothic but there was definitely a sort of darker (whilst perhaps not in a 'I shit bats' kinda way) image associated with some of the blackxwhite looks such as >>8158766 Pic related for example, is on a Japanese forum marked as 'ゴスロリ', this isn't due to ignorance, this kinda definition is everywhere. Perhaps the western community has redefined/become stricter with aspects of the fashion, and that has value but it's not the only perspective.

Man why does /cgl/ hate grey areas so much(?).

>>8162350
Hell, I'd do it. I want to see more of this all the time.

I love these scans, but I find the crinkly cheap looking blouses always pain me to see. Same with the black dress and white ribbon, I just can't. Everything else I love though, especially the velvet and minimalism of some of these looks which make them very elegant, it's such a breath of fresh air.

>>8159608
real tears
this is so beautiful

>>8160998
>being this new

>>8162201
http://fyeahlolita.blogspot.ca/2010/02/old-school-lolita-in-90s-80s-and-70s.html
a lot of 'lolita' coords in the 90's were made from handmade clothing and partially brand items and looked generally doll-like and frilly/cute.
lolita was a much larger category at the time and items from jane marple and emily temple cute were used in lolita coords really often. all of the girls in >>8159875 are wearing lolita.
the style also did not have the same shape that it has today. this was only starting to develop in the late 90's, early 2000's and as it changed, the more casual looks were placed in the otome category, which is fairly new and a more casual alternative to lolita.
youre being an ignorant and salty vagina. stop it.

oops ok >>8162996 this pretty much explains everything i said in this but yea >>8163758

>>8160705
Anyone have this book? I can't find in depth reviews

>>8163758

Chill out, girlfriend, I just pointed out the dates they were established, I'm not the anon that was arguing the previous thread of comments, and you're working up your own anger at nothing important.

I was actually hoping for someone to chime in with better info on why otome brands were founded in 1980s but were not otome, and why they're now so completely otome that they're located on a different floor in La Foret and will deny being a lolita brand, and whether it has anything to do with the arrest of some pedophile that overnight turned lolicon into something much darker (even in Japan).

>>8163825
> whether it has anything to do with the arrest of some pedophile that overnight turned lolicon into something much darker (even in Japan).
Source/info/etc I'm insanely curious...

>>8163877

That's the problem, I really can't remember the details. All I recall is that some guy (male) got arrested for....something pedophilia related. I think he legit kidnapped somebody's kid and did who knows what. When the police raided the perp's house apparently his room looked like a typical otaku's room: anime, manga and merch stuffed to the brim.

Before that, it was apparently okay to say you liked little girls or admit to lolicon weakness or whatevs, but when the case broke almost overnight it became taboo to admit it anymore.

The case is so generic, searching anything only brings up generic "does Japan like lolicon" rubbish articles.

One other detail I remember. Some other Japanese guy saw the case on tv and thought to himself, oh my god that looks like my room and then his mother turned around and said, oh my god, that looks like your room. So then he went out and make two figurines. One is a naked chick skipping rope with milk from her breasts, and the other is a dude... the details elude my memory. Both of these figurines became semi-famous (like, not van gogh famous, just a little famous). But I can't remember the names of the figures or the artist either.

Anyway, since this case seemed to have made a deep impression for the Japanese, I always wondered whether this is where some of the styles parted ways, with a few brands abandoning the lolita name and pursuing completely different aesthetics. That would explain so much, but I have nothing to back this up with other than "hey, both these things happened somewhere in the past". That's all. Nothing concrete to actually contribute to the old school discussion.

I might have derailed the thread. Sorry. Polite sage for OT.

>>8163795
I do my Dad got it for me as a gift. It's pretty cute some people have posted scans from it in this thread. There is not much info mainly street snaps. Some of the non lolita outfits are a bit odd but there are also some great shots of lolitas in their rooms and really nice handmade pieces.

>>8156882
...are those things safe to Google?

>>8156012
Gorgeous...

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>>8156820
Lolita in its purest form.

>>8160755
This was well written.
What issue is this? Maybe it's on eBay.

>>8160785
Antaina still makes them

>>8164100
If you stick 'fashion' on the end then yes, these were alternative fashion styles doing the rounds mostly in the 90s, bit of a Riot grrrl connection, but not necessarily, some people still dabble in the styles/movements but it's pretty much dead afaik.

Based on these kind of threads, it looks like quite a few people still really love old school. Why are there so few cords that are "purely Lolita" or old school these days if it's still so loved? Is there only a small group of lolitas who still enjoy it, or are people nostalgic for it but don't actually want to wear it?

I really want to see "purely Lolita" and old school make a comeback.

>>8162336
I would join!

>>8163825
Because maybe...just maybe...
Fashion changes over the years?

Really hard fucking concept to understand as a newfag, I know.

Getting a folder ready to start up a old school loli tumblr again. Watch this space.

>>8164460
A lot of the appeal of oldschool doesn't fit into the way the Western scene and their meetups work. You can't copy a sincere street fashion picture of a girl who's just wearing big chunky boots and a suitcase because she likes them and didn't care much about the way it fit - and turn up like that to a tea party. Then it's just a costume, like dressing up as a punk on halloween.

>>8164476
>being this sandy

>>8156834
Haha, yup.

>>8164003
Anon I love you
So over all is it worth buying?

>>8164831
not that anon, but I also own this book. I would say it is, it's interesting seeing a lot of the handmade co-ords and the non lolita outfits are pretty awesome too

>>8164560
So, wait not to sound like a noob and I'm not trying to pick an argument but I'm just wondering what you mean, wearing clothes just because you like them even if they don't match is considered more costumy then current Lolita trends in the west? Or are you saying that it's costumy to try to copy street fashion? I dunno I'm kinda confused about what you mean because all Lolita is costumy looking compared to normal clothes. Or do you mean the fact that lolitas in the west don't wear street fashion as a street fashion, that it would be strange?

Personally I'd rock old school at a tea party, but I'm really laid back about the fashion and fashion in general, where a lot of lolitas seem to take it more serious.

>>8164845
Thank you!

>>8164855
Yes in the west lolita does not take place on the street but in tea houses and restaurants and other fancy looking places for the most part. It is very costumey because everyone comes together in pretty places and puts on an OTT show to match the surroundings. That's how I see it at least.

>>8162336
>>8164474
I would also join! I love the older patterns, and it'd be nice to have a LJ to keep the oldschool feeling.

>>8164139
No idea. Based on the old egl post, it's the March 2007 copy. I don't recall if this is a monthly magazine or not. I do recall that this issue had some cute lolita-appropriate DIY ideas like home-made tea stands, and they did an interview for Kiiiiii .

>>8160737
>fondles her forbidden fruit

>>8164883
>>8164474

Oh man, there's going to be so much back-logging and digging up to do. I might have to get a new flash drive to save all sorts of files. I'm curious as to what people would be interested in looking at.

>>8164964
I'd be happy to help you out if you want, I'm pretty good at sourcing stuff. Email in field!

>>8158888
Are you me? Random Kera pictures floating around the net were my first inspirations of dressing 'differently', even when the cringing early emo scene was emerging at the exact same time (I live in Europe). So being a poor student, I tried to do both, and failed pretty hard lol. The punk and sweet lolita looks were my favourite, always tried to re-use emo clothes for Japanese punk. Nope. My god it's so embarassing to even write about it now.

Then when I had a little bit of extra money, AP was da shit. Prints prints and more prints. Same silloutte as non-print dresses but as a weak minded teen, the community and others' opinions made me feel like I HAVE to get printed dresses, otherwise I'll look like a poor man's version of sweet lolita, and yeah I feel the same as you now. Have a job, but the fashion and its people are so different. But I'm going to slowly buy the old school pieces that I liked back then, and sneak them into casual everyday coords so I can feel all nostalgic and happy when going to work!

>>8163938
The sculptures you're thinking of are by the pop artist Takashi Murakami. They're life size though, not small figurines, although maybe figurines were made of them. The one with the dude with the semen lasso is apparently called "My Lone Cowboy" and sold for 15 million dollars. The sculpture of the lady with the breastmilk is called "Hiropon". He's made others, but those two are particularly notorious.

Genuine old school jsk (2003) from btssb up on closet child right now going super cheap, not for everyone but I reckon someone could rock it.

>>8163073
I chalk it up to too many new girls taking the rules in the fashion a little too strictly compared to how it used to be and how it is with the Japanese community.

>>8165082

Ah, really. Shows you how unrealiable my memory is.

Thanks to your info I did find the exact murderer I was thinking of, Tsutomu Miyazaki, though. Thank you!

>>8162538
Me too. Does anyone know where this picture is from? Maybe a street snap with her info cropped out?

>>8165631
It's from Alice Doll I think? Think it only has one or two issues. Not sure what year though.

love the deadpan expressions in a lot of old school photos. some are just vacant but there is a sassiness in others.

>>8166115
I love it too! The contrast between the lacy dresses and the girls who look like they aren't about to take any shit is so great, that always reminds me how rebellious Lolita fashion is.

>>8164875
Oh okay this makes sense then. I've never really been interested in meet ups but I do like to dress to match where I'm going if I can so I understand that if that's the only place you wear your clothes you'd want to blend into the setting.

Am I the only one who isn't really into the OOT trend? I mean, it looks amazing on other people and for photo shoots and themed parties and meets, but I prefer to wear simple outfits. Do you think the OOT trend is another reason old school never gets worn anymore?

>>8166123
OTT, anon.

>>8165631
Alice Doll. She is File Number 006, Her name is "魅羅" (Mira). She's blood type A. She didn't state her age. My phone is dead, but after I charge it I can take a picture of the rest of the caption.

>>8166123

Anon, it's exactly as you say -- OTT is for special events like brand parties, conventions, specific photoshoots, and so on.

For regular meetups though? My comm entirely shows up in regular lolita. No madonna crowns or ships in hair business. We dress to the occassion: lighter dresses for summer, crew socks and simpler dresses for picnics, fancy dresses if it's a tea party at a posh place, nothing big on heads if we're watching a show/movie. It's not like there aren't photos of regular tea parties with members in regular lolita out there, we can't really help it if the only photos tumblr likes to reblog are the OTT ones, or the only ones you want to look at are the OTT ones.

OTT is not the reason old school phased out. Prints are.

>>8166140
Oh, and alice doll was published in 2001. This is "volume 1" (So they clearly meant for it to be a periodical, but I don't believe it was). It origionally cost 780 yen. There are 150 street snaps (some are full page, some are as small as 4 per page, but no smaller) and 7 pages of new items from brands, 1 brand per page. The brands include MMM, IW, Meta, Alice Auaa, VM, Baby and na+h. There is a tutorial for a tote bag and one for putting flowers in your hair, and then some advertisements.

>>8166130
WHOOPS I'm an ass, sorry. Didn't notice my fingers slipped up.

>>8166123
Maybe it's because I've been involved in the fashion for years, but I'm a total basic bitch when it comes to Lolita. I'd like to own some prints if they work with otome, but my wardrobe consists of solids and patterned fabric (polkadots, tartans, and florals). I have a tough time following trends because they're too much and I consider myself a special occasion Lolita. Hats and bows are just enough for me.

>>8166146
This is amazing, I love that you know all this and now I want my own copy.

more

>>8159758
Ugh I had that jsk in black. I wish it had fit better. I hate that I sold it.

>>8161019
I completely agree. I wasn't old enough to buy/wear the fashion in the early 2000's but I do love the look of it. I especially love the chunky shoes. Now THOSE need to make a comeback.

>>8174609
What's it called? I may have just bought the op but I don't know the name.

>>8175115

Not the anon you're asking but it's called Princess Pinafore and it's from 2005. What OP did you buy cause I've never seen the 2005 OP?

>>8175402
This
The unusual lace colour & details, plus the cameos reminded me of it


((Apparently max image replies were reached??? So here's a link))
http://www.lacemarket.us/metamorphose-bordeaux-velveteen-op/

>>8165130
This is the perfect embodiment of my normalfag style and lolita tastes combined when I was 12. I want but too scared to SS. I've been let down with orders recently.

I had no idea that UTKs were so in! Anyone know why they went out of style?

>>8179068
probably because theyre not flattering on many people at all

>>8156060
I miss being able to wear stripe socks without being called ITA or WEEB! I loved how iconic it was. And the big headdresses, the simpleness, under the knee socks... god I miss being able to do it without the criticism.

>>8180038
You should go for it anyway anon! Maybe don't wear it to meets but instead strut your stuff elsewhere, armed with oldschool pride.

I think if you pay attention to the details, especially to hair, makeup etc, you're always going to look that bit too good for 'ita'. If other lolitas are new/ignorant enough to not be familiar with the oldschool look then that's really not your problem.