/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>8008850
this...isn't an unpopular opinion (at least among people who aren't noobs/ ita)

Headdresses are super cute and shouldn't be considered ita

>>8008811
Briscom is full of itas and weebs ugh...If they do dress nicely they have either a bad face or are a fatty chan.

Most sweet bonnets make people look like adult babies. There's nothing seemingly delicate or refined about them, it just makes sweet lolitas look like they're ready for a binky.

>>8008876
only plebs who don't know how to oldschool think maxipad headresses are ita

I think some JSK looks good without blouse
I like natural hair (when it's well styled)

>>8008881
this, i'm desensitized to it now but i know for a fact that before i got into the fashion, i thought the sweet bonnets were the weirdest shit ever and looked ageplay as hell

>>8008879
>Briscom is full of itas and weebs ugh...

And random fat male weebs who think that even if they don't wear the fashion they can come to meet ups. Pls go

>>8008886
I agree with the JSK and no blouse situation, but it's a very, VERY specific kind of dress or coord where this is workable.

For example, a fair few JetJ releases actually look better (to me) without a blouse (pic related). I think it very much depends on the neckline and what sort of styling you're going for.

I dislike the recent trend of prints taking over the entire/majority of a dress. I like prints when they're really subtle, or non-print dresses. I wish the plainer dresses would get more attention.

>>8008919
>recent trend

I don't think it's that recent. It feels like all-over print dresses have been a thing for at least the last 3-5 years.

I agree, though. I am much more interested in plain colour dresses with lots of elegant, well executed details.

I think cgl is actually the best place to learn about lolita and improve. Facebook pages are ita circlejerks, egl is dead, and most of the handbooks and whatnot are out of date.

>>8008928
This, this, this. Cgl has a bad rap, but it's the best place for legitimate discussion and education. Any ita can come here and learn if she's willing and has a thick skin.

>>8008928
We must admit that 90% of /cgl/ are hars, and there so many sandy vaginas here BUT if you want a 100% sincere opinion, about a coord, if you need heelp finding lolita stuff, if you want to share your toughts; here it's the best place.
And everyone knows it.

>>8008899
My unpopular opinion is that a bunch of jetj dresses nowadays aren't lolita at all.

When people say something sweet doesn't look 'elegant' enought it makes me nearly implode.
Nothing sweet looks elegant imo, it's not suppose to, it's suppose to look cute.

>>8008919
I agree with this, so much. 90% of prints look tacky worn irl.

>>8008942
Thirding this. Not only that, but I met a close friend through cgl and it's something we can bond over. It helped us out a lot when we first started out.

Uh, well, I'm not a fan of brolitas. I guess that's an unpopular opinion. And no, not being *~*transphobic*~* because trans women getting into the fashion aren't brolitas. They're lolitas.

I get pissed seeing people say "omfg AP is so overly sweet I hate print dresses they're so ageplay" and a sudden influx of the classic master race and muh historical accuracy.
I never say anything, since classic lolita is beautiful too, but I got into lolita because of milky planet and sugary carnival. Colorful sweet lolita is, from what I've seen, the part of lolita that's still hanging on best in Japan. It makes me happy even if I know it's silly and I feel like someone's insulted my mom when people say sweet is gross. I definitely appreciate non-print sweet coords too.

I love seeing lolita casually worn with normalfag wear like Uggs.

>>8008961
Agreed! Also, I think this is one of the uglier dresses JetJ has done this year, the weird mix of an a-line skirt over what looks like a bell-shaped underskirt really grates on me.

>>8009023
I can't pull it off myself (too old) but I utterly love pastel sweet lolita and it makes me sad to see less of it around. I really hope it makes a comeback soon!

I fucking love mismatching pinks
its so great.
mismatching colors in general though as long as they are all close on the color wheel are super cute.

wigs are stupid and uncomfortable. why has it become such a necessity for every coord? half of the wigs lolitas wear anyway are similar to my hairstyle

>>8009048
I use my natural hair (it's curly and a pretty nice shade of brown) and people say it looks good. I wouldn't mind getting a new wig or two, solely to mix things up, but I do dislike that it's considered necessary by a lot of people. If your hair isn't a frizzy/fried mess, you don't need a wig if you're not comfortable in it.

>>8009048
It's a necessity for me because without a wig I look like an unbalanced retard with a huge dress. The volume a wig can give me helps even out my whole outfit. My real hair is so thin and shitty there's no way I'd ever accomplish making it amazing without an assload of extensions and hours of styling.

If you have great natural hair that's great to style then I'd say go for it.

>>8009048
gurl, some people have thin ass hair that doesn't hold a style. Try as they might nothing will help. In that case, wigs are necessary.

I hate OTT styles. OTT sweet, OTT classic, you name it. Lolita is supposed to be a fashion, and OTT looks are almost always costume-y and ridiculous.

>>8008975
This. Even when I wasn't really into myself, if I saw someone in Gothic next to someone in even just casual sweet, my reaction to the sweet loli would always be, 'she looks so cute!' I don't think sweet has been about looking elegant for damn near a decade now. There are a few older dresses that can look it if they're coordinated properly, but when most people are putting together a sweet coord, I don't think that's what they're going for.

>>8008879
Which one are you anon?

I love bunny headdresses.

I wouldn't/don't wear them out to a meet, though. I'd have everyone bitching about it behind my back later.

>>8009168
I-I do too, anon. Maybe it's the weeb in me, but I just think they're so cute when they make sense (e.g. not pairing them with CDC or something)

I think it was mentioned in the last thread, but short hair. It's super cute when someone can pull it off.

I wish there was a better selection of things to put in short hair though. If it's too big, it looks really dumb because there isn't enough hair to balance it out. I feel like hats are the best way to go.

I actually like the AP lucky pack dresses and print. I don't understand all the hate. Oh well more AP for me.

I Hate the stupid Diamond socks, pic related.
I love wearing lolita items with outfits that aren't lolita.

>>8009023
This this this! What got me into lolita was infact sweet prints with toys or strawberries, as well old school and polkadots. I got recently a Toy Parade skirt in black and i'm not gonna drop sweet for the classic/gothic masterrace saying "sweet lolita with bright prints is ageplay and muh classic/gothic is elegant and superior", some people say if you are over 20 to tone down sweet or get more "elegant" sweet stuff, i'm 24 and i look better in sweet than overtly elegant lolita styles. Now sweet become too classic influenced or too much hime styled to fit my tastes that are mostly pastel vomit or plain stuff.
>this comes from someone that should dress only gothic lolita because into gothic stuff outside lolita
>>8009274
Same here. Nowadays most people hate AP lucky packs because they want more classic sweet items and OTT instead of bright pastel prints or old school jsks.
>good also for me because i can get the Cotton candy print for cheap

I love to see creepy cute lolita outfits, i know it's a tumblr tard thing but it fits my tastes that is more into cute rather than elegant stuff like gothic lolita.

I like tights and socks together. I do it as well to hide my knees, or to add an extra layer in the cold.

I think leggings in lolita are fine as long as they 1. match the damn coord 2. are tucked into boots of some kind so that they at least look like thick tights and not leggings

>also peignoirs when they aren't too long or just randomly thrown on
>also underskirts are almost always gorgeous and if you disagree i'll meet you in a parking lot

>>8009414
>peignoirs when they aren't too long

I've been wondering if pic related is AP missing the memo on that, since most of the bitching about overly long peignoirs are confined to cgl...


>>8009295

I don't hate cotton candy shop because it's pastel-sweet. I dislike it because it's a vomit of pastel sweet. I want the older, less jumbled LP prints back, like tea time a la carte or lyrical bunnies.

>>8009300
Horsecock skirt

>>8009257
>that fucking t-shirt
>that belt
>a bandanna??
fuck this bullshit, this is not lolita, not even casual lolita.

>>8008879
It's true for most of the girls, a lot of the older members still look good as they know how to do a full coord and make-up, but they go to so few meets it always ends up being the same girls. Private meets are the best meets

Look I'm really sorry you're not happy with some of the current members (let's face it, most of us aren't sure what's even going on there with the sudden influx of new people), but at least they're always happy and trying to keep the comm alive.

>>8008879
How many bris members are fatty chans anyway? Very few I'd imagine.

There is a large population of lolitas that cannot and will never be able to understand the fashion as a fashion and will forever be wearing it as a cosplay no matter how "correct" they look. This is probably because a lot of "lolitas" are cosplayers or don't care about fashion otherwise, and honestly, I really want them out. It's pretty shameful to just be hopping around cons and meetups in clothes and fakery that do not suit, nor reflect you in any way and then get upset when people wonder what you're cosplaying.
Between the delusional fatties and the famewhoring cosplay perfectionists, I have so much less faith in lolita ever becoming a fashion in the west than I ever have, and it's not getting better, it's only gotten worse.
As far as I'm concerned though, there is no fashion community on /cgl/, just cosplayers creeping into a new medium they can bitch and whore over.
This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for tumblr and /cgl/'s assburgers muddying up the lolita community as a whole.

tl;dr: yall cunts need to learn basic styling and accept that you might not fit lolita, this isn't cosplay you shits

>>8009476
The t-shirt isn't the worst, but belts like that really only work with like a handful of dresses in the entire universe, those really need to be kept away from poor normalfags. And ok, bandana fine, but paisley?? Bitch wtf? Some people just don't have any fashion sense.

I hate busy tights. They're such a mess, it doesn't matter how they're coorded.

>>8009463
honestly this looks fine imo, a few inches is okay. i meant more like when a skirt falls just above the knees but itas slap a tea-length peignoir on top cause they just gotta get that cult party edge in or whatever

>>8009300
I love creepy cute and bittersweet stuff too

>>8009608
So only girls who are 100% adorable 100% of the time are allowed to wear lolita?

>>8009730
Not that poster, but I think I get what they are saying.

There are some 'lolis' who, outside of wearing lolita, can't dress for shit i.e. wearing stupid graphic tees and ill fitting jeans. They are also the type to say you absolutely must use a wig and go OTT.

Also most "fandom" lolita designs are disgusting and I wish cosplayers would fuck off out of lolita with that shit.

>>8009608
You want a unpopular opinion? Here it is~ I think Lolita AS A FASHION actually suits fatty-chans better then stick thin anorexic-chans. Remember it was originally supposed to be a style for chubby/fat girls in Japan and I'm not surprised whatsoever that that's crossed over to the West as well.

Lolita makes Fatty-chans look like big, round little fluffy marshmallows of cute, it makes me want to cook all the cakes and pies for them and just pinch their adorable little kawaii chub cheeks. Skinny-chans will never be quite as cute as fatty-chans are in Lolita.

Its important to note that this really only applies to short fatty-chan girls, the fashion really does NOT work with tall ones, short fattys are fucking adorable miss piggu dollies though.

>>8009737
Just personally, I've never been into girls' fashion. I don't like the weird trash-bag tops and skinny jeans that is seen as "fashionable". I don't like how most people my age wear flat black leggings with some random fleece top and thing they're "omg so hip and cool". Its ugly. I don't like how pretty much every western dress and skirt is so small that if I bend over I end up showing the world my ass. So yea, I wear jeans and tshirts most of the time. Most of my jeans are loose and new jeans are expensive, so I wear them until they won't stay up any longer or fall apart. I'd rather spend money on frilly things. Plus its not as if a regular minimum-wage-earning-person can create a cohesive wardrobe in a month. As much as I'd like wear the dresses I do have daily, I can't. I dunno man. These are the first real girly style of clothes I've ever been interested in. They make me feel feminine and cute when other clothes never have before.

>>8009740
The thing is, "plus size" in Japan =/= Amerifats (or western fatness in general). Chubby-chans: okay. Obese-chans: plz no

Looking like a stuffed sausage is not flattering no matter how you look at it.

>>8009755
And what's your definition of "obese?" Where does the line from chubby-chan to straight out obese-chan cross? Cause I've seen lots of loli's get their bloomers in a bunch even over well-dressed girls in the low range of plus size like someone that's a size twelve or fourteen. Are those sizes still too "obese" for you?

>>8009740
>rippling cellulite totally kawaii
>fupa acts as natural petti

>>8009759
Obese isn't a fucking opinion, dumbass. It has a medical definition.

>>8009755
See if they really insist on wearing Burando I wouldn't have so much of a problem with them if they just buy a dress and take it to their local tailor to mend it to their size. The problem is a lot of fatties unfortunately also lack common sense and thus try to squeeze themselves into "shit that don't fit" or clothes that are super-unflattering on their figures in general.

I bet you anything if some of these fatties just got their burando personally tailored to their size [Which most don't cause they're also in the fashion for the selling, re-selling market] they would look a hundred times better.

Its certainly more appealing to see them in nice, fitting, cute lolita then the alternative gross walmart shit wouldn't you say?

>>8009762
>posts a pic of one of the taller fatties

Why do you think I specifically made sure to say the fashion really only works for SHORT fatties?

>>8009750
You don't have to be into trendy girl fashion to dress well. I also don't like the things that you cited. What I mean is that being unfashionable in your day to day life can transfer over to lolita in small details. It's like brand itas. In theory they have the look down, but they just fuck up the execution because they don't understand how to dress themselves period.

I'm happy that lolita makes you feel cute anon. I'm sure you're an exception to what we're talking about since you actually care about it as a fashion instead of a costume.

>>8009750
>speshul snowflake alert
But seriously, that's some intense stereotyping you got there anon, sounds like you just don't know shit about fashion. Loose jeans+t shirt is hardly flattering on anyone.
It's perfectly possible to be fashionable as a girl without wearing "girly normal fag" style. I was never one to follow the trends of my peers because it's just not my style, but doesn't mean I resort to looking like a hobo.

>>8008899
I agree that this works. However many lolita bodices are a half-shirred tubes with straps and those don't look good without a blouse at all.

>>8008919
I think it looks so silly when the entire skirt is covered in something like a painting and the pleats cover up most of the top. It looks especially dumb when there's a human face up there that gets squashed and deformed. Not elegant at all.

>>8009023
Personally I prefer classic over sweet but all the newbies who get all uppity over classic being superior are embarrassing as hell. Just dress however you like without being an ass about it! Calling sweet lolita ageplay isn't going to make your own dresses look any cuter on you.

>>8009023
I feel you. I like both sweet and classic (and I do like more historically inspired designs) and it embarrasses the hell out of me. Like anything lolita is accurate to a historical fashion. I wouldn't want it to be 100% accurate anyway.

I think it happened because OTT sweet got super popular and stuff like split wigs were worn by everyone and their mother regardless of whether it went with their coords. Newbies came on here and saw posts about how annoying OTT sweet was and took trolls who called sweet ageplay seriously and now this is where we are.

>>8009608
Even though I know the fashion for 5 years or more, I consider myself new to it because recently I started getting brand.
My comm is not ita, but all they do is go to malls, visit comic shops and animus stores. Not to mention they just talk about how to become efamus and frozen. Of course local cons are a must go.
I started overdressed for our meets, because I feel like I can show off then with others who can understand (out sweet, much more accessories, really lolita shoes, too much print), but I have started to miss a more plain dresses In wore before.
I used to buy only plain dresses, those wearable Irl, but then I got bored of them. I felt like I was losing the opportunity to go nuts, now that I'm young.
I feel in a dilemma. While I don't want to be always worried of not standing out too much Irl, I don't want to limit myself too much and only use boring dresses. I also don't want to dress like a pastel unicorn princess to go to a filthy mall to look at comics. Now I fear I will only have the crazy dresses for myself, hidden from society. I don't want to have to go to a con full of weeks to wear them.
Skeptical of Hello con
How for you become this authentic fashion Lolita?

>>8009786
Me. Sorry for lame ass writing. My autocomplete messed it all.

>>8009608
I sort of agree with this (girls who only dress lolita at cons and meetups and wear jeans the rest of the time need to stfu about being called cosplayers, they are) but I've never been into cosplay and I like it here on /cgl/. I do think a lot of the
>everything needs to be 100% flawless or it deserves to get nitpicked
>those shoes are a slightly darker shade of pink than the dress ugh how terrible
>spend half an hour styling your hair lol r u retarded just wear a wig
sentiment comes from cosplayers. They're coming from a place where colours always match perfectly (because they're cartoons) and it doesn't matter how impractical your outfit is as long as it looks good in photos. For people who wear lolita every day as an actual fashion, many of /cgl/'s nitpicks don't apply at all. /cgl/ has helped me out more than any other online lolita community but I still realize I need to take a lot of comments here with a grain of salt.

>>8009750
That's also how I felt in middle school when I was just getting into lolita, but then I discovered that Western women's fashion is not just skinny jeans and uggs at all. You just need to look a little bit harder and you'll see there's plenty of cute feminine fashion out there. I know a woman who hasn't worn trousers in five years, just cute dresses and skirts, and she only shops locally.

>>8009772
Sorry, my phone seems to lack the standard issue "fat person height gauge" and I was ignorant as to the fact she is really a behemoth.

>>8009740
>>8009755
>>8009772
So much this actually, I'm the rant anon btw. Short girls in the low overweight range and pear fatties tend to suit the fashion pretty well. Skinny-chans have the issue of skeleton arms that need covering up, unless they plan on bringing some intense gothic flavor.
Delusional fatties are the ones who are basically female fedoras and cannot comprehend aestheticism on any level.

>>8009730
I'm basically saying that most people don't understand wtf they look like and just throw on whatever style of whatever the fuck and exclaim "I don't give a fuck I'm a lolita hurrdurr"
Bitches just don't know how to style themselves, so they end up looking like they're wearing a costume. Lolita is not a costume, so it shouldn't be treated like one. To me, a poorly styled lolita is almost as repulsive as a crossdresser that isn't passing at all.
Lolita is actually very wide in its range of stylings, so lots of different types of people can wear some variant of it with success. But too many take it too far and often in the wrong direction.

>>8009061
>>8009048
>>8009058
HAIR EXTENSIONS
So many loliable styles and so much more comfortable, even thin hair can become anything from romantic to cutesey. Don't be looking a wreck in a fucked up wig please

>>8009048

I personally like wigs, but I don't mind girls with natural hair. I also actually just bought one wig thats super comfy.

>tfw I have severe trichotillomania
>tfw I will never have nice hair

>>8009791
She's actually pretty fucking cute, perfectly suitable for Lolita imo. The only thing here is that the coord itself is a bit plain/unfinished and she should really consider investing in a long blouse that hides her arms, they are really fat and she would look a lot better if they were covered. Still hella cute though ten out of ten. Would totally cover in head-to-top Burando and then bake her a cake.

OTT makes you look like a retard.

Casual or oldschool isn't an insult, it's a compliment.

Color matching your entire outfit with the same one or two colors (excluding Kuro and Shiro) with no risks is unimaginative and lazy.

>>8009740
I think sweet lolita suits chubbies - not actual fatties, the Japanese version of fatties i.e. what all Amerifats seem to think of as a 'normal, healthy weight' when they are actually in the overweight category.

Classic and gothic is better on skinny girls though imo - iiralina is still like my gothic idol.

>>8009827
Idk, I think girls that are America's definition of "chubby" which is in the size twelve to forteen range can actually pull off sweet lolita fairly well as long as they know how to dress themselves and are relatively short.

>>8009823
>Would totally cover in head-to-top Burando
You do realize you're talking about someone who had to alter a Bodyline dress beyond recognition to even fit into it? Unless you're just talking about throwing burando onto her in a big heap.
Personally I think chubby (not obese) girls look super cute in sweet and vanillablitz was one of my favorites, but when someone is so fat their waist is bigger than their bust they're never going to look good in anything, much less a fashion that emphasizes waistlines.

>>8009823
Bake her a cake? Why? So she can explode out of that co-ord?

>>8009814
>>8009814
Sry bbs. I have super mild version but i only pick my body hair. Idk if this helps but there's an SSRI called fluxoetine that has helped treat people witg trichotillomania in clinical trials, so if you have the means to try that i'd suggest it.

>>8009814
>forgot image
also what wig did you get?

>>8009830
Who spilled sand into your cunt this morning anon-chan? I'm just calling it like I see it, I truly do think she genuinely has a cute look to her, I know I personally think she's definitely cuter and would definitely suit Lolita better then that fat Godzilla that was posted here. She just looks like a big, round ball of cuteness and tbh I'd rather see her in the fashion then super stick-think girls with extremely unfortunate faces, at least she looks pretty fucking feminine.

Obviously all the Burando we'd have to cover in would have to be tailored Burando to fit her size but still...

>>8009814
>>8009834
>have it too
>only pick at my arms
>live somewhere cold so i can wear sleeves for cover 70% of the year and not give a fuck the other 30
YEEEAAAAAH
I'm trying to stop though it's hard after picking like 13 years

>>8009830
Also just curious but speaking in American terms, what size is the limit to be considered still just "chubby" and not obese? Cause maybe I'm bad at figuring out sizes but that girl honestly doesn't look anything more then a size twelve or fourteen.

I personally think ugly and fat girls should get plastic surgery and get skinnier before wearing lolita. I hate being around girls who are ugly or fat, they make the fashion look bad.

>>8009848
As long as you pay for it sure, I'd love to have plastic surgery

>>8009843
Hey cgl, btw, in case you fucking missed the memo, OBESE ISN'T AN OPINION. THE LINE BETWEEN CHUBBY AND OBESE IS OFFICIALLY DRAWN. THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY HATH DONE SO FOR YE.

>>8009838

Thank you, I'm actually surprised how many people replied with similar struggles. I didn't know about the treatments so thank you for the suggestions! I do pick everywhere but my head is a really common spot. One time I accidently ripped out half of my left eyebrow without realizing (whoops), but thankfully I've forced myself to not pick at my eyebrows much. Still happens once in awhile though.

The wig I got is super pastel and sweet, so I'm sorry if most think its gaudy http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16089498539 I have normal hair colors in my wig arsenal as well, I just wanted to treat myself with my last Taobao order.

>>8009852
If you can afford lolita, you an afford plastic surgery.

>>8009861
I have the same wig. It is very popular, no piggy tails, but I cannot coordinate it yet

>>8009831
Stop saying co-ord.
It is a complete word, coordinate, it does not need hyphen

>>8009861
Oh god that's really cute. I don't wear pastel or sweet myself but if I did I'd go this route.

>>8009872
I imagined, I had an easy time tracking it down. I find its super comfy, it's not scratchy or unbearable like most wigs. Good luck on coording it!

>>8009881
Thank you! I'm glad it isn't a crazy pastel wig, it seems pretty toned down imo compared to twin tails or something.

>>8008975
Sweet is all about the overall feel and details, just as every other substyle. Adding heels won't make a cutesy print automatically look mature.

Which brings me to my unpopular opinion:

>I hate it when people label every black outfit as "gothic" and every pastel outfit as "sweet". You can do an all black sweet outfit (even without a print) and baby pink classical one. Hell, you can even make a perfectly gothic coord without using a hint of black or white, it's all in the details.

>>8008879
At least make an effort to cure your ita problem

>>8009077
This

>>8009786
I have a plain sax dress I can sell to you for $100

>>8009841
You'd have to buy two of each to sew together.
Huge waists are unattractive because they're extremely unhealthy. Big thighs and big boobs are fine but someone with a colossal gut is going to die before the age of fifty and that ain't kawaii.

>>8009871
"If you can afford something that can fail dangerously, you can buy plastic surgery"
Yeah. The same thing.

>>8009871
>If you can afford lolita, you an afford plastic surgery.

In Mexico, maybe

>>8009740
>>8009827

It's not really about weight as much as body shape. I'm a chubby hourglass and lolita does wonders for me. Pears have it even better - with smaller bust and narrower shoulders.

But apples and rectangles? No amount of burando is gonna give them the desired silhouette, with no waist definition they just end up looking like sad frilly bags. Just like >>8009791

>>8009871
Because as we all know lolita clothing is exclusively $500 brand sets flown in privately from Japan, no exceptions.

>>8009871
what if... theyre a handmade lolita.....

>>8009856
The medical community also considers this a vague guideline which doesn't necessarily reflect your health as such things as condition, muscle mass and fat distribution have to be considered.

>>8009926
Does she really look so bad? I honest to god think she looks adorable and is just the type of fatty that suits the style despite her shape. IMO its all in the height.

>inb4 "hurrr white-knight friend or girl in the pic defending herself~"

>>8009871
I know I don't have the prettiest ideal face for lolita but I won't get plastic surgery and risk something going wrong just to please someone like you.

>>8009905
I have LM, thank you

>>8009848
I like being around fatties and uggos, they make me look even better.

>>8009920
Not so bad. Look for a private hospital.
I'm Mexican, and I had plastic surgery for my nose and fixed my myopia. Ask me for names if interested

>>8009941
It is going to be pretty fucking obvious if you're one of the rare "obese but not really fat".
I have yet to see a Schwarzenegger-lolita running around in burando.

>>8009941
>>8009968

That bloat is just water retention from workout, duh.

>>8009987

All hail the queen ~

>>8009991
>>8009987
Eijan~ Eijan~

>>8009023
Absolutley this!
I'm so sick of the sweet Lolita bashing. I love my sweet pastel vomit, even a bold color inbetween.
It's sad that most of the Lolitas go "I'm mature now, so I wear classic! Sweet is for babys."

Losing weight is easier and cheaper than looking good as a plus size lolita is.

>>8010512
Well it is. :^)

>>8010512
I hate any bashing. I don't understand why we can't all just get along. Sweet and classic specifically bash eachother too much. "Omg sweet pastel vomit uuuuugh!" or "Omg classic old lady grandma curtain shit uuuuugh!" Everyone seriously fuck off. Why is it everything a damn contest/vs./bashfest? Girl vs. boy, fat vs. skinny, tall vs. short, flat chest vs. big tits sweet vs. classic, cosplay vs. lolita. Fuck! Why? There's no legitimate reason for any of that. The only things worth bashing are SJWs and MRAfags.

>>8010553

>>8009636
Similar to this, I hate busy legwear with a print main piece. Even when the socks are from the same series, to me it often looks like too much to take it. We don't need so many focal points. I like printed tights with non-print main pieces, though.

i dont like milkyfawn. at all. i dont think shes cute, her coords suck, & shes annoying. i know i just sound like some bitter hater, but shes so ugly and unappealing to me...
same goes for lor and batty. hm.

>>8011079
i used to really admire her until she started wearing mom tshirts with ap

>>8010512

i'm sorry but you guys do look kind of freakish with your eight million petticoats and childish look and baby themed prints. Which, you know, whatever, yet you guys also seem to be the ones who whine and bitch and cry about bullying and people staring and people giggling at you more than anyone else. it was your decision to dress like a gigantic little girl. you look like you're wearing a costume. people are going to giggle.

dont get me wrong, some dedicated bitches can also make classic look like a costume or old lady ish.

what im saying is people need to fucking learn to dress themselves or suck it up when people say they look retarded. you can wear lolita and not look like an absolute freak, but god forbid you lose some e cred by skipping your eight million bows and the eight and ninth petticoats.

>>8011079
I have to agree about lor and batty. How did two so average boderline ita lolitas become so popular?

>>8009766
That fucking has to be for males because I'm 5'1" and I would probably kill myself (or at least become depressed again) if I was even remotely close to the healthy weight range.

>>8011291
Seriously. I'm 5'0" and if I weighed 135-150, I would be a fucking blob.

>>8009766

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA oh my god what landwhale photoshopped this for fucking real

>>8011243
might be bcs they have youtube channels with alot of videos.

I met a ton of lolitas over the years and, while I have my group who I have light friendships with, all the ones I got super, "best friend" kind of close to, I really hated as people once I got to know them super well. I'm most likely just unlucky but all of them have been really self-centered, inconsiderate, catty, and talk mad shit about everyone including their friends. I love gossip myself but I draw the line at picking drama with friends for no reason, asking/expecting the world from friends but doing nothing in return, or being two faced and saying shit about people privately but pretending to be besties to their face.

I used to pine for a best friend who loved lolita as much as I did with but now I think I am better off just having lolita acquaintances and avoiding close friendship with any of them. I'm sure there are some lolitas out there who are great to have a close friend, but after getting the short end of the stick too many times, I'm out.

tldr; In my experience, best friends who are lolitas suck and I initially reject the idea of a lolita ever being more than just a lolita acquaintance.

>>8011291
>>8011293
>>8011297
You're reading it wrong. I'm 5'9 and 125 lbs and says I'm healthy but close to underweight, which is true, as well as having my BMI as "healthy" when I was 145 lbs.

>>8011293
>>8011291
>>8011297
I think you guys are reading the chart wrong (to be fair the layout is kinda of bad). Healthy weight is the GREEN area, not the yellow, as stated on the legend on top. So healthly weight ifor 5'0" is 100-125 lbs.

>>8008928
I'm going to have to admit this, too. It's to sad that egl's dead. I usually point to noobs to check egl. I have to prepare for a lolita basic's panel soon. I wonder how I ought to approach the subject of cgl - maybe leave it out for people willing to chat after the panel? Then again, I guess it'll depend on who ends up showing up.

>>8011309
>>8011311
Oh, oop. Thanks y'all. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

>>8008961
Fucking this! Most of their shit looks like anything from a normalfag department store! Yeah It's classy but wtf is lolita about it apart from a little bit of lace here or an all over painting print or some shit? If you tried posting a pic of half that stuff saying it was 'offbrand' asking if it coukd be used in a coord people would tell you it's not fucking lolita. Hell, I have thrifted skirts that look more lolita.

It's otome or something...

>>8011315
*too

Fucking a.

>>8009875
Eh, I mentioned this in an older unpopular opinion thread, but I hate it when people throw around the word "coordinate" or "coord" in place of "outfit" or as short-hand for "coordinated outfit" - which I think makes more sense, even if it is a little longer to type or say. I love my community, but I die a little when I hear them say, "cord" and I know that they're referring to an outfit.

Jargon aside, I may just have word aversion for it because of the pronunciation (kind of like how people dislike the word "moist"). There's something about that word that seems to require too much effort to pronounce.

>>8011309
Ah sorry I was reading it incorrectly. I just saw healthy right about green instead of seeing the color swatches that went with them.

>>8011338
Healthy above yellow***

>>8011104
this. her coords used to be great, but lately they feature clothing "raided from mum's closet because I have nothing omg"

>>8011322
God no. There's nothing maidenly about their shit. I wouldn't even call their dresses classy at this point, it's like looking at a collection by some fashion student who clearly couldn't cut it as an artist but still has a hard on for classical paintings.

Most of the discussion seems to be about chubby-chans, but my unpopular opinion is that gold shoes look tacky and awful 98% of the time. I cringe when people in coord help threads suggest them.

>>8012038
Only because most gold shoes are in a glossy tacky shade. Brand shoes that are gold is exquisite, not cringeworthy.

>>8012038
I think the shiny and glittery ones are horrible. Imo, as long as they're more matte then they're fine.

>>8012067
No, brand or not, gold shoes are tacky.

i think wa lolita is adorable when done right and worn well and i'm an unrepentant weeb

>>8009809
>have thick as fuck frizzy hair
>extensions would just make my hair look even more retarded than it already is

lel ok

I think outfits without blouses and/or nude legs can look really cute.

>>8009047
This is only an unpopular opinion in a dumb matchy-matchy fashion such as lolita. Tonne sur tonne is very common.

>>8013114
I want to hug you for this.

>>8013114
The way lolitas dress themselves is a lot like (unfashionable) parents dress their children. Try getting a completely matching outfit in the same tone with the same print.

>>8012086
You got no taste.

>>8008811
Deerstalker pictures isn't that bad.

I hate it when people think pastel gothic is the same as creepy cute/kowakawaii. Tumblr's version of creepy cute sure does look like pastel gothic shit, but in reality kowakawaii is something completely else.

>>8008881
Only reason I got one is BC it was super cheap. But I never wear it cause it kind of creeps me out..

>>8013274
I love DSP... as do many. Why is this an unpopular opinion?

>>8009282
Are either of these particularly unpopular? I thought plenty of people were anti-diamond socks because they keep getting used with things that they don't suit.

>>8013533
Does anyone really care? They are both shitty styles.

>>8013979
They get accused of self-posting to cgl and secrets a lot, with anon whining about how they're not funny and and "I would do ____" or "they shouldn't do ____" with a fair level of frequency.

I figure they're pretty hit or miss, but I prefer their stuff over Lor's.

>>8008881
I'd never wear one but some can make it work.

>>8013064
And where, pray tell can we find a good cache of this style done correctly? It's very rarely done right, that's why it has the reputation it does.

>>8013987
They probably do post here as a form of market research. Not surprising.

>>8008811
I don't think its worth posting and asking for concrit in Facebook Lolita groups, they are mainly itas, replica-chans, weebs and teens. The better Lolitas do not seem to give much real critique, just ass-pats and compliment sandwiches. I wish there was a mature group that gave critique from people who had a year or more actually wearing the fashion, banned replicas and was honest.

>>8008811
Damn I want those chairs, tea cups, and her bag.

>>8008899
IDK, I think without the blouse it no longer looks lolita and looks more like you're just wearing a fancy formal dress.

>>8009843
That girl is more than likely just considered overweight and not obese. She's definitely beyond being considered chubby. She's fall more into fat and overweight.

>>8014020
Make it happen, I want to do the same for the cosplay community. Honesty and constructive critic!

>>8013993
i think i have like 2 pics total of wa outfits i think are cute, and they're probably still ones that people here hate. wa always looks cuter in art or on bjds. i wish there were actual well-fitting and well designed wa lolita dresses out there to reflect that.

I don't know if this is even an unpopular opinion but I can't stand EJV/"frill-ability." I have a disability myself (knee joint is ten kinds of fucked, plus OCD) and I'm perpetually embarrassed by her posts. She insists on tagging her posts with shit like "#seizure" and talking endlessly about how hard her life is and whatever.

I'm not trying to dismiss her experiences but there's a difference between special-snowflaking your problems and accepting your issues. She markets her illness like it's what's going to elevate her to e-fame (pity party? SJW points?). I feel like if she had a less "marketable" problem she wouldn't be acting this way.

>>8014141
But that's how she acts with literally every aspect of her life. Everything she does is to make herself look better and to market herself. When I met her, I thought she was super nice and sweet, but over time, it just became obvious that she uses people and manipulates them to make herself look better. It's not just with her disability, it's everything.

>>8014129
This one just came up on my tumbr. I unironicallu love this but maybe would change the color of the obi? Still, the best I've seen.

Ugh that girl from deerstalker looks like a haggard mid forties chain smoking single mom that works in a diner. Maybe it's her express, her shedding lizard greyish hued skin, or her teeth but her face just annoys me.

>>8014153
That is cute, I'd 100% wear that. Wouldn't even give a fuck about being ita.

I also adore qi lolita and think like wa, when done right looks great

I don't feel good about myself when I wear lolita. I wear it to feel pretty and I see that I /do/ look pretty in it I guess but I just feel hollow. It doesn't make me happy like I expected it would.

Also, I'd like to see some kind of CPK/Lolita crossover actually take off in the fashion but I doubt it will with all the tea-length peignoir hate.

>>8014151
Found this gem from an old post of hers:
>The pretense and false sense of importance people in this industry can adopt makes me sick. Some of them need to look at their lives and choices and figure out what is actually meaningful as opposed to where they can find their next source of ego inflation.

She's so shallow and grating, holy shit. I'm not surprised she's that way in real life to be honest.

Fucking LOVE Madonna/sunburst crowns. But they're going out of style and that makes me sad.

Also full head rose crowns with big and fluffy roses. Not to be paired with everything, but some coords really work thematically with that sort of thing. Hate small roses. Hate small circlets. Hate headbands and partials. It's gotta be the full deal or nothing.

>>8014153
The western blouse collar and sleeves look weird, the 'kimono' part is unlined (cotton?) making it as informal as any summer festival yukata yet the skirts and accessories are dressy and the boots are wintery. The neck bow is just WTF.
Nope. Needs to learn correct kitsuke before doing this.

>>8014129
It's because people who usually attempt wa have no idea how to wear yukata or kimono first so their attempts look like a mish-mash. The commercially available sets look like costumes. There are a few good co ordinations sometimes in a couple of magazines I like but I keep that to myself and safely out of weeby hands.

>>8008811
My unpopular opinion is let the itas stsy it's, the fatties stsy fat, the clueless weeebs stay clueless. I use my time and energy on quietly improving myself and furthering my hobbies, not picking on others. If any of those types wish to improve, let them work for it, I'm not about to waste a moment on them. If someone in my community looks bad, I've no problem standing by her in a group photo. I think it's best to let noobs and the clueless flail more. It weeds out all but the dedicated.

>>8014153

at a glance this is really cute, but then i read >>8014283
this is even stuff i wouldn't have picked up on due to not knowing as much about traditional clothes. there's so many subtle details involved.

>>8014304
This, exactly this. I don't give two shits what other people do, or at least put too much time and effort into caring other than an eyeroll by a few choice people I know. But other than that, I usually don't fucking care. I care more about what I do and how I look.

>>8014141
>>8014151
I also thought she was really sweet and cute when I met her. I really wanted to be her friend, but then I realized, post after blog after video after tweet, everything was SOMETHING trying to garner attention. She says it's because she's an open book and she's trying to somehow make a difference but I don't see it.

She just wears really garish outfits, tries out a new fad or a new ~amazing~ thing, gets a new SO or job, so she can tell everyone about it. My biggest issue is that her new Frill-Ability thing isn't going to do jack shit. She's planning for a shop to sell her 3D printed stuff (which is/gonna be garbage Sailor Moon rippoffs) and wants to "help" disabled people with her blog.

I honestly think people are way better off finding a specific support group/blogger to follow that has the same issues they do. If they're a lolita, I'm sure their comm would be happy to help them loli-fy anything they asked about.

<It's like she never grew out of this stage.
inb4 she "complains" about being talked about here

>>8014455
The more you learn, the more glaring they become. Also, I did not mention it but there are lots of little ties, clips, stiffeners, an obi pillow, etc that no one ever even sees that keep kimono and obi right and tight and not gaping, falling open etc. they don't hold lessons and classes on kimono kitsuke for nothing when people want to wear it. Much can be learned online though, if people want to look. There are seasonal charts for colors, motifs and fabric types according to the seasons as well. Immortal Geisha is a good place.

>>8009028
I do too, just don't tag it Lolita and no one should give you crap about it.

I think the Melissa 3 strap plastic heels are tacky and I don't like seeing them worn with Lolita.

"Lazy" simple coords can look really good.

Cream with white looks really bad more often than not.

>>8015969
It can be done!

>>8015969
I like them mixed actually but your opinion is the prevailing one, not the unpopular one. I see lots of concrit regarding mis-matching the cream, white, ivory etc.

I think long bloomers should come back in fashion.
The extra frills peeking out makes it look so cute.

>>8009023
I feel the same but I also think the majority of itas go for sweet and its making people have a negative connotation with the fashion. That and its easy to make sweet look bad.

>>8017684
Same! I love this picture, and plan to do something similar with my black AP Katrina jsk, with a headdress, not bonnet. (also I'm 170cm tall so I need something to help with the skirt length).

>>8017776
Aww man that's so cute, especially with the shiro/kuro thing they have going. I want to try this.

The majority of guys in lolita (by which I don't mean brolitas but boystyle or whatever else costume they turn up in on meets) are way too fucking old and ugly to try to look like an anime boy and are in desperate need of a haircut and more adult attire. Leave boystyle to the girls.

>>8008881
>>8008883
>>8008981
>>8009414

This.

>>8009028
Uggs? What the fuck? Appropriately-coloured converse and biker jackets are my weakness though.

>>8008928
I actually disagree. /cgl/ is perfect for people that have been into the fashion a year or so, but if someone was genuinely new I think it'd just confuse them. Same with BtB; both sites have a lot of idiots/trolls calling coords ita that are fine, who the experienced people just ignore but a newbie could take seriously. My preferred pathway is 1) familiarize yourself with all the handbooks and blogs (probably even the infamous lolita-tips) to get some sense of quality and coordination basics before you ever buy anything, 2) follow a load of lolitas with actual talent on tumblr to get a sense for what good coordination looks like (this should get rid of old-fashioned ideas like that having your main piece be one colour and literally everything else be either black or white is an acceptable way to coord), then 3) start using /cgl/ to refine your grasp of coordination further, get honest concrit, and get quick opinions on stores you're considering buying off. Looking at lolita Youtube is optional but should come roughly between 1) and 2). Don't post pics of yourself until after phase 2.

Bigger girls belong in lolita. Even if they're stretching all that shirring, even if their legs look like cottage cheese. Brands should make clothes for bigger girls. The reason they look ita a lot of the time is because of a lack of options. I'm only 130 pounds myself, but I used to be really overweight and I didn't get into lolita until I lost that weight because of the way people treat plus sized girls. But it's not that easy for a lot of people with thyroid conditions and stuff. I was lucky.

My second opinion is I HATE most wigs and I ADORE natural hair. I just think sometimes wigs just make it look like a costume and natural hair, when styled well and maybe with extensions in it looks much better. I literally just have one set of extensions and a clip in ponytail.

I actually like some of Doll Delights designs, I think she's talented. A lot of her stuff isn't quite lolita but its refreshing. I think she gets too much hate.

I am sure this is actually a popular one, but it seems like for most lolitas, their character is basically the opposite of what they try to look like

>>8020005
Girl, thyroid doesn't fuck up your hormonal system that much, especially when it's treated. I have hypothyroid and I've been slightly overweight, never fat or even plus-size.

>>8020021
She charges like thousands of dollars for that shit.

>>8020005
>bigger girls
They already make clothing for bigger girls, you're talking morbidly obese, who deserve to be put down and used for fuel.

>>8020028
Yeah I know, like there's a certain point in overweightness where unless there's a really good health reason for it just why did you do this to yourself. Like my stepmom. My stepmom is 400 pounds.

But mostly I mean like...more clothes. As in offering larger sizes across the board, not just for a few dresses with shirring. Cus I'm sick of seeing girls stretching out all that shirring.

>>8020025
Never said I agreed with her prices

>>8009048
I wear wigs during meets and my natural hair when I am wearing lolita for daily wear. I don't want to go to a meet with an afro and I rarely straighten my hair.

>>8020025
Yes but who buys them? You never see them in anyone's wardrobe or coord posts unless she's loaned them. I doubt she's sold more than a handful. I'm one of the ones who thinks she's colorblind. Not a joke.

>>8020040
>400lbs
Who would marry that
What's wrong with your da?
Is he a cuck?

>>8017684
Anon, yes I want to put it in an outfit but I don't want to be seen as ita.

>>8020127
I do the exact same thing.
>tfw afros will never be kawaii

>>8020181
>afros will never be kawaii
I disagree

>>8009750
>I don't like the weird trash-bag tops and skinny jeans that is seen as "fashionable"
As other anons have said, not all (or even most) western fashion is like this. The problem is that all of the *cheap* western fashion (stuff in supermarkets or Primark) is like this, and most of the stuff you'll find thrifting equivalent style and quality from a few years ago. To get anything different you have to spend almost as much as on lolita (seriously, I don't understand why people complain that lolita is expensive when even with mid-price high-street brands people wear £30 tops with £30 jeans and a £50 jacket, £25 bag and £60 shoes, which could easily buy you a full Taobao coordinate or even a secondhand brand one).

I actually enjoy western fashion as a concept - I used to buy a lot of fashion magazines and although I'd always hate 95% of what was on-trend, and laugh at the ridiculous prices for some of it, the 5% that I liked was fun and different, and I'm not talking about designer here, just different trends the high-street puts out. For me it's just that I can't afford to do both, and since I dislike the "sorta trendy but cheap" look of tops that don't fit and skinny jeans, I just opt for the cheap-but-not-even-trying-to-be-trendy look of straight-leg jeans (not baggy but I'm not keen on superskinny either) and T-shirts or jumpers. About the only non-lolita items I make sure I'll pay for quality for are shoes and coats. At the moment I'm trying to reduce and overhaul my wardrobe and force myself to spend some of the money I spend on lolita on mainstream fashion, but it's hard to find the money for both.

>>8011079
Milkyfawn's persona (not sure if it's her real personality, so I'll go with that) pisses me off but I think she looks cute, even if her voice is a bit annoying. Batty pisses me off for reasons I can't exactly describe, and I don't really like her style. I'm fine with Lor though and I don't get why she gets so much hate and people calling her ugly.

One of the girls that I'm not sure about is Princess Peachie. I like her as a person and I actually respect her attitude to the fashion that I've gleaned from videos where she talks more seriously and not in-character, but from things she's said in some videos (like the school outfits one and the maid one), her hobbies and interests outside of lolita I'm actually beginning to suspect she has a fetish of some sort but is smart enough to keep it to herself. Ageplay would be the most likely one, but a uniform fetish is a more normal (and less contentious) possibility.

>>8013996
Or at least lurk here. If I was them I'd view not lurking as a stupid move. Personally I like most of their proper videos, but not all.

I think Angelic Pretty shit is overpriced. Don't get me wrong, I buy the fuck out of most of their stuff and i understand that you are paying for the brand name, but i don't understand why even their smallest Items are like 15-20 dollars.
Some of their bangles are just plastic! How can plastic cost that much?

Maybe i'm just a bit of a stingy fuck, but i feel sometimes they are just having a laugh with their prices.

>>8020186
I disagree too, I think afros styled right look really cute.

>>8020160
lol she wasn't always 400 pounds. but insult my stepmom more she's a bitch

>>8020040
> unless there's a really good health reason for it
There is not a single health reason that can justify someone being morbidly obese.
At a certain point, you have to eat 3500+ calories simply to maintain your weight. People who say it's hormonal or GENETICS or they have a disorder? Bull fucking shit, you're consciously making an effort to eat that much.

>>8020254
>3500+ calories simply to maintain your weight
Since when? I thought fat cells didn't require maintainance.

>>8020276
Not directly I don't think, but you still need more calories to maintain being morbidly obese due to things like your body working much harder, due to being 4 times the weight.

>>8020285
You're right, I was getting confused from an article I read about protein needs where it said they were calculated off your ideal weight for your height not your actual weight because fat cells don't require *protein* maintainance. You still need a few extra calories from it.

>>8020254
>>8020290
Fat people also move less. Just sitting, lying and breathing don't require much work so the base calories burned in a day won't hit 3500, probably not even 2000.

>>8009750
I don't think you understand what non-lolita fashion is, not currently popular clothing at Walmarts and whatever the teenagers wear right now but high fashion, walkway fashion, label fashion, subculture fashion, street fashion. Every lolita with a great style on tumblr I've seen also reblogged fashion or more broadly speaking non-lolita clothing. Start paying attention to silhouette, colors, textures outside of lolita.

>>8020311
Moving less isn't exclusively a fat people issue. I'm thin and my maintainance calorie level is 1650 or some shit because I basically don't move. 20 minutes walking between bus stops a day, maybe another 20 walking between classes, literally no other exercise. There are definitely fat chicks fitter (in the sense of muscles, stamina) than me.

>>8017776
I'm 168cm and I've never had problems with skirt length?

>>8019993
Eh, I started coming here as a newb and found it to be useful during your mentioned phase 1. A lot of the handbooks were outdated, I could tell even from that point. I always found lolita-tips to be a long-winded clusterfuck and the worst possible format to house all that information. I found people's general advice and discussions to be a lot more useful, updated, and informative than what was out there a few years ago when I started.

But then again, I'm also older, been around /cgl/ off and on since its' beginnings. So it really depends on the person. I wouldn't send a wet behind the ears overly conscious and young newbie here. But anyone who is a little older and can rationally deal with the sandy vaginas and "my opinions are facts" types of people, I think this place is fine.

>>8020507
If someone was familiar with 4chan culture from other boards (say a weeb who'd spent time on /a/), I'd have no problems sending them here, but I wouldn't send a wide-eyed newb who's never been on 4chan before here. IDK though, maybe my path is just one of avoiding excess embarrassment. I know some people like mentoring/being mentored, but honestly I think it's best to lurk for ages and not join a comm until you've done all your research and started your wardrobe to the point where you have at least 2 decent outfits, then not post outfit posts on tumblr until even later than that. I don't understand people who join comms when they've just discovered lolita and only have one outfit, or have known about lolita for a while but don't have any lolita items yet.

>>8020211
Peachie has actually said on her tumblr that she's okay w/ ageplayers as long as they don't reblog her stuff, so I doubt it's ageplay if she does have a fetish (but its her business w/e)

>>8020580
I'm in the kink/fetish community (but I'm not into ageplay), she strikes me as someone who is just tangentially into kinky stuff, like light BDSM, but not actually having a technical "fetish". We tend to be more tolerant of ageplay than non-kink lolitas.

>>8020005
They already make clothes for 'bigger girls' just not huge girls. It's a business decision not a fatty slam. Several really good reasons not to make them bigger than they already do. That said, there could be a couple more fatty brands than just Maxicimam. But that as an example, what skinny girl buys that brand?

>>8020211
Batty drives me batty because she can't stick to the topic well in her videos, they are 2x longer than they need to be due to random comments. Milky fawn is obvs. a persona if you've seen her FB posts, I don't like her but think she's cutely dressed. I like Lor's videos a lot and think she'd be fun to know. Princess Peachie, nope on several counts, replicas, cheapie-chan (we nicknames her Princess Cheapie), borderline fetishy behavior (which should stay separate/stay private), irritating garbled voice.

>>8020254
Nah, sometimes there still is a decent excuse. I saw a documentary about this guy who got morbidly obese because he was paralyzed from the neck down (except he could still move one arm) and bedridden. He didn't move much (obviously) so he just started putting on more and more and more weight. Part of it was depression from being paralyzed and comfort eating but yeah. And my birth mother is overweight because of her thyroid. Not morbidly obese but overweight. She eats like a bird and still can't get under 190.

>>8020688
Batty's definitely not the worst on the "videos longer than they need to be" offender list, though. Vanessa Lopa is awful for that, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.

>>8020660
Whatever it is, I definitely get the feeling she's into something, and it annoys me, especially considering the overly-naive persona in some of her videos ("Maid cafés? Sexual? Of course not!")

>>8020716
B-but anon, there's nothing sexual about my desire to have girls in maid outfits satisfy my every need.

>>8009943
Are you fat? Only fat people seem to think that that looks ANYWHERE remotely fine

>>8020688
How do milky fawns videos differ from her fb posts? I don't follow her too closely

>>8020694
Except morbid obesity isn't a direct consequence of tetraplegia and it's not really an excuse to be massive, especially if you need carers to clean and move you... Untreated thyroid I buy, but can't she take thyroxine?

I honestly hate the way the lolita community does a lot of picking and choosing of what "rules" to adhere to. You can't be fat, you can't be ugly, you can't wear this shape of dress, you can't have this type of wig, you can't have your nails this color, you can't do this, that, whatever. But when it comes to other things, it's like yes, be a bitch, be an ageplayer, get shitfaced in your dress, etc. It's this weird dichotomy of obsessing over another woman's looks and ensuring they adhere to the materialistic fashion guidelines (which by all means, you need to meet the criteria for the fashion, obviously,) but no one gives a shit about the guidelines of the subculture from a moral standpoint.

>>8020716
I feel like this too and I kinda wish she'd talk about it, but of course she can't. Of all the efamous lolitas she seems to have the youngest fanbase - she couldn't release a video discussing such topics, or probably even put it on her tumblr.

>>8011079
>>8011104
>>8011586
It's okay because she's quit anyway.

Oh, I have an unpopular opinion: I LOVE Emmelina. I own it in pink and I'd never sell it. it kills me how everyone hates on it.

>>8020952
This I feel is a /cgl/ and snark community type of opinion that people who are very vocal about their opinions tend to have. Fewer have the balls to say it in person. Mainly, it's just nitpicking and bitching to be bitchy, and some people aren't happy until they vent. Usually I gather it's usually the young, immature type of person. Generally, when you're older and a little more mature, normally you think "yikes" or "that's not my cup of tea" but leave it at that and don't go on a venting tirade or feel the need to do so. So I don't give it much thought, really.

>>8021082
The listing on lacemarket for the blue version actually had me very tempted but it's just so damn shiny...it doesn't photograph nicely at all from what I can tell. I don't know what to feel

>>8009023
I love, love sweet lolita ala milky planet and hope that people keep wearing it.

>>8021095
Different anon but it's far less shiny irl.
I received it twice in lucky packs. and although it wasn't the greatest piece, I think people over-exaggerate how bad it is.

>>8020714
I guess I've brrn fortunate enough to not encounter the others, who else? Now I'm curious. That may be a bad thing.

>>8009048
My hair is thin, straight and baby fine. It gets damaged with heat styling very easily. Wearing any amount of pouf over subdued A-line makes my head look pretty small so I wear wigs and extensions 1/2 the time. If my hair were thicker or held up to styling better, I'd use the wigs or extensions less. I stick with natural colors and conservative styles in my fake hair though, nothing shiny or brightly colored or costume quality.

>>8021062
As of when? Her wardrobe is huge. I wouldn't want to miss that sale!

>>8020839
>>8020688
I can't find her Facebook page did she delete it?

>>8021144
I just looked and I think she did delete it... weird.

>>8021095
I lol'd so hard at that listing.
Yeah, it's a bit shiny, but so are many JetJ dresses. It's not a cheap shiny, it's a cute, subtle shiny IMO

I think tea party shoes are ugly as sin and don't suit most of the people wearing them.

I love the fanplusfriend Tardis skirt.

>>8021285
seconding the tea-party hate. They make all feet look like duck feet.

>>8021280
That looks amazing with a cardigan! Completely different.

>>8020440
Really? I'm only 166cm and some of my JSKs hit me more than two inches above the knee, mostly old BtSSB. Nothing horrendous but if someone shorter than me takes my picture I look way too leggy.

>>8020672
Well there is that one porno with a Japanese girl in a Maxicimam dress who's not exactly skinny but certainly not fat, either.

>>8009750
Leggings and tops are the "standard" in western fashion because they're the cheapest options, but it doesn't mean they're the only option at all.

You need to look more into shops and styles to make an outfit work. I personally dislike j-fash and I am not invested into lolita 100% because I also like western fashion. It's just a matter of doing your research, really.

>>8009920
Mexico actually has pretty good plastic surgeons, though.

>>8009750
>there is only one style of western fashion and all of them mean you dress like a doxie
Uh huh
I wonder how my parents have managed to look decent then
Oh wait, it's called "not looking at teenager fashion for inspiration"

I honestly like some of F+F's stuff. Yeah, there are some things they sell where it's just completely miss and some of their lolita stuff just overall looks way too costumey, but there are also other items they sell that are really beautiful. Look at some of their series like "Ten O'Clock Cinderella", "Charming Camille", "Midsummer Night's Dream", and "Night Glory", to name a few. I mainly like their stuff because I like gothic and classic lolita and lolita clothing in general that looks closer to Victorian/Rococo fashion than kawaii fashion. (I hate how tacky sweet lolita can look sometimes, yikes) I feel very elegant in F+F stuff, and I actually get a lot of compliments whenever I wear F+F stuff too.

Rule of thumb: always keep a good eye out for some of their stuff. As I said earlier, their lolita clothing is either a huge mess or very good quality.

>>8009028
I actually saw a lolita wear Converse sneakers with her sweet coord, and I think it was a pretty fun and unique idea. Plus she pulled it off pretty well too.

>>8021144
>>8021175
Seems like it. I thought the comments in this thread were pretty tame..not harsh enough to force Milkyfawn to quit.

>>8021459
her blog is gone also.

>>8021455
Pics! I do it too, I'd love to see her!

Pastel goth and creepy cute can be attractive

>>8021459
>>8021465
It's the first time in weeks I'm visiting /cgl/ and this shit happens.

Is it really because of this thread, though?

>>8011079
>>8011104
>>8011586
>>8020211
I used to like her till i found out she smokes.ew.
no wonder her skin is saggy and teeth are fucked

>>8021144
>>8021175
I can still see her Facebook page?
Unless you don't mean her personal page? In which case I didn't know she has a 'MilkyFawn' page, I don't follow her that closely.

>>8021477
Does nicotine on its own harm you
like if i wanted to eat more macaroons and got me a kawaii one of these with the nicotine refills will i look like that

>>8021477
> flavoured vaporzier
> smoking

Are you twelve?

>>8021477
She looks fine

>>8021500
vaporizing is still nicotine like smoking

>>8021512
It's not the nicotine that gives you cancer and fucks up your appearance. Go read a wikipedia article you moron.

>>8021512
Nicotine liquid is illegal in Australia.

>>8021512
Except when there's no nicotine in it.

>>8021477
Lots of people smoke. I find it highly unlikely that you actually liked her and stopped because of that. Sounds like the empty catty rubbish things that girls say to try to make that person insecure.

>>8021531
if someone smokes and they are selling me a dress i would instantly dislike them because of that.i dont want my brand to be smelling of smoke and ash.i bet she smells in person too

>>8021539
You sound jelly and butthurt tbh

>>8021539
This is silly. If she's vaping a no-nicotine flavored liquid why would you assume she either smokes or smells bad?

>>8021539
>vape
>ash

>>8021539
Heh, don't ever buy used burando or designer goods from Grorious Nippon then anon. Much of it reeks of smoke.

>>8021512
I'm positive she's said before she can't even get nicotine liquid and just had chocolate flavor liquid.

>>8021547
so she does smoke normal cigarettes?

>>8021552
I doubt it. it's not ~kawaii 12 year old~

>>8021539
Yeah she probably smells like chocolate from the vape. No one cares.

>>8021555
then why would anyone want nicotine liquid if they dont smoke?

Are there any legit reasons to dislike milkyfawn other than that her coords are meh or is all the hate from jelly fatties and poorfags?
I guess my unpopular opinion is that she's okay.

>>8021560
it has been repeatedly stated she does not have nicotine liquid and it isn't even available to buy in her country you illiterate fuck

>>8021563
I hate her long rants on rufflechat

>>8021563
Her video persona is pretty different from even Her FB posts. So I think she's kind of fake. But then I don't know her personally, I'm sure Aus peeps can address it better.

>>8020440
When it comes down to it I don't really care that much about the bottom of the dress hitting me a couple of inches above the knee, I know some people on cgl do but if you look at brand photos and older street snaps etc it happens all the time. But having said that I do sometimes want to minimize that gap because sometimes I feel it looks a bit awkward on me. And long bloomers sticking out of a slightly short skirt looks hella cute to me!

>>8021563
It's an unpopular opinion thread. By stating their opinion to be unpopular they are admitting that the majority like her obviously. Liking her is not an unpopular opinion when thousands agree with you.

>>8021576
I follow her on FB and from what I can see she's made to put on the persona and do things for the videos that isn't like herself because her other posts are completely different It's not her personal YT channel she's like a pawn for deerstalker.

They're so cringeworthy I wish they would just stop while they're ahead.

>>8021604
Somehow I always assumed that she owns Deerstalker. Who's actually behind it?

>>8021608
the aristocrat tranny and his hippo girlfriend

>>8021625
I thought he just did brolita for the lulz on video, not like...into it.
>feels a little ill...

>>8021552
Yes she does.

>>8021629
He does only do it for the lulz. He's not actually into it

>>8021731
No, that's why he has a closet full of burando ouji. For shits and giggles.

>>8021141
You missed it a few months ago anon

>>8021285
I think Bodyline "tea parties" look better than Angelic Pretty ones. The fact that you can see the tan-coloured sole on the AP ones regardless of the actual colour is ugly as fuck, and they have too wide a toe.

>>8021455
I've seen this too and I think it works.

>>8021483
Yes. It's not as bad as ordinary smoking because there isn't the tar and shit in your lungs, but nicotine alone does stuff like raise your blood pressure, which can cause artery walls to thicken and increase the risk of a heart attack. Plus some vaporizer have released more toxic chemicals when the coils are overheated, which is why you're not supposed to use them when the fluid is low.

Muslim lolitas suck aesthetically. None of those I've seen bring any graze or beauty to the fashion, they just looks frumpy and joyless with their boring tight headscarves. Everyone thinks it's super cute because apparently that's politically correct and supportive of women.

>>8021604
has anyone else seen the "lolita: not even once" video?
it was sad. the script was so badly written, they kept saying the same things over and over again for 3 minutes. the aristocrat boy's voice over made me want to die. its embarrassing.

>>8021940
I agree. But then, I'm not religous, so wearing something religious to me is like a kid wearing a triforce and saying she believes in the 3 goddesses. Like, what? Okay, sure, whatever.

>>8021483
yes, same as the other anon said but it also restricts blood vessels or something and it wears down your skin elasticity significantly

>>8021754
P. sure they were referring to the brolita part.

>>8021940
I've seen super beautiful and elaborate ways of wearing the hijab that are posted on tumblr all the time, so I guess my beef with it is that why can't the Muslim lolitas do that, too? But this particular picture is kind of a bad example, anyway, because her headscarf doesn't match.

>>8021940
It's been said in the past that it looks bad because it gives them a pinhead look with a huge dress.

>>8021940
I have nothing against Muslim lolitas (heck, I'm Muslim but I don't wear hijab so I just look ambiguously brown in photos) but the way she does her make-up pisses me off. Those heavy brows don't match her pastel outfits at all and I wish she'd stop doing them that way.

>>8021766
That wasn't very much of her wardrobe. She still has tonnes of shit.

>>8008811
A few years ago I wasn't interested in OTT sweet but now it's on its way out I'm fucking rejoicing because I can try it for cheap. I was a like-Milky-Planet-but-not-$600-like-it person before, and I can't wait for the prices of all the OTT prints to start dropping.

>>8021144
>>8021175
>>8021141
>>8021062
I think she did quit because her Milky Fawn page is gone and her personal page has sales posts and a post stating she's going otome and leaving lolita.

>>8023526
Didn't she just buy a shit ton of lolita stuff? I don't get why people "leave" the fashion, but aren't really doing so?

>>8021512
Vaporized nicotine mostly affects the brain, it does not directly cause aging.

Combustion byproducts, tar, etc. in cigarettes stimulate aging far more than vaporized nicotine liquid.

OTT Classic has ruined classic lolita. Before it was simple and pure and just pretty to look at. Now classic looks just like a silly theatre costume and I can't take it serious anymore.

I don't lose weight because I don't see a point to myself... I'd still be ugly no matter what, so why even bother, I've seen what "me" looks like as a standard size. Plus I am kinda lazy and non motivated because of knowing that. I don't care for my health either because if I were to die tomorrow I would be more relieved than anything. I just want to wear something pretty before I die. I don't have heart problems or anything as of now, but I still see myself dying of my own depression. I'm not looking for "Oh you can't be that bad" Or "I'm sure you'd feel and look nicer smaller" naw I'm fucking sure, I see girls I consider beautiful posted here with nicer faces than mine as "ugly as sin" "She should go kill herself" "fucking hopeless faces" There is no point to even trying.