/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Fanny Rosie uses her natural hair, but truthfully I find your opinion pretty silly. Lolita is all about looking the part, and most people cannot achieve the desired look with their natural hair. It will pretty much always leave a lot to be desired. Some people have naturally thin hair, and both lolitas and cosplayers will tell you that on some days, your hair is just not going to cooperate, simple as that. That's why cosplayers use wigs even when their natural hair could "pass". You sound like you're just trying to justify your own laziness.

>>7984709
>does anyone else just find them wigs/ extensions weird/creepy
No. You're retarded for thinkings wigs are only reserved for costumes and sick people.

Looking good in lolita can be achieved with or without wigs. Natural is not always better and not everyone has real hair suited for lolita looks.

OP do you even Lolita? Or are you just having ideas about what others should do?

How much are we ready to bet that there is going to be a "lolita is better without make-up" thread here soon?

>>7984709
I totally understand you!
Yeah I know wigs are nice an such, but I simply could never wear one and go out and about.
I mostly wear lolita to uni or going out with my friends/bf, if I suddenly wore a wig they would ask me what's wrong with me and if I've gone mad wearing a wig outside of a costume.
Lolita already looks a little costume-y and I try to pick the more casual classicxsweet prints, it passes as a retro or alt fashion, but if I wore a wig I would feel like I'm cosplaying something.
I might wear one at a con where it's reasonable to go all out and look OTT, but other than that..
Idk, I'm happy I have thick blonde straight hair and I prefer berets and hats anyway.

Whenever I read wigs are 'totes necessary' I'm kinda sad, because it sounds like lolita becomes a costume you only wear to cons and meet-ups(which could count as a gathering of costumed people).

I think pic related is milkyfawn's real hair and I don't see why it shouldn't look as good as a wig.

Why does everyone act like wigs are costumey? My green afro would make it look more like a costume than a natural brown wig. If you wear your natural hair and it looks nice, great, but don't act like it's suddenly so strange that people choose to not use their real hair, for whatever reason.

>implying blonde/red/brown/black hair will look good with every single coord

>>7984751
I think this is more a personal taste thing.
Also the percentage of lolitas acting like "Uuh, it's to costumey!!" is far less than the amount of people acting like it's rule number 2 after getting a petticoat on.

>>7984758
I think deeralice uses her real hair,t oo.

>>7984766
Also, I love updos.

>>7984709
daww look at how kawaii she made felony home invasion/trespassing

>>7984709
Wearing wigs for fashion purposes is completely normal and common. Black people wear wigs and weave all the time, and plenty of other normalfags do as well.

Personally, I have a short afro. It's impossible for me to get lolita-appropriate hair at the moment. I'd rather someone wears a wig and looks nice, than have hair that doesn't balance out their coord.

>>7984790
>not knowing fairy_emily actually lives in a magical enchanted mansion

I know you're full on retarded sieg but come on

>>7984801
That was your first mistake, underestimating how retarded Sieg actually is.

I bought a wig a few months ago and I still feel like a clown wearing it. /cgl/ told me fashion wigs are totally normal but so far everyone I told about it freaked out and asked what was wrong with my own hair, and if I was ill. There isn't a large black community where I live but all the black women I do know go au naturel and don't wear weaves. So far only the lolitas in my area seem to think wigs are normal, everyone else thinks it's a costume or cancer thing.

I think I'm going to keep growing my real hair out and figure out some nice ways to style it, and maybe leave the wig for meetups only.

>>7984716
But the 'desired look' has been formulated over time. It's a recent trend to almost always use a wig instead of real hair. I think it's lazier to not put the time/effort into keeping your real hair in good condition or styling it nicely rather than just throw a wig over the top

I see so many people pull off their wigs with ratty, greasy, split hair hidden under it by their own admission.

>inb4 you have to style wigs, too

Love her, btw It's not like I don't enjoy coords with wigs, it's just a let down that it's not real... Can't stand fake tits either.

>>7984797

I think it's sad you have to feel ashamed of your hair because it doesn't fit a japanese neo-euro style

>>7984709
I have a fivehead and bald spots in the "corners" of it, plus my hair poofs out no matter the amount of spray that's in it. Wigs are so pretty and silky, and I don't have to bleach or wait until the hair grows out to try another style. I've started wearing a (natural) wig at school because it's so much less hassle even though it's uncomfortable. So yeah not weird/creepy.

>people think I have cancer so they don't ask about it

>>7984821
>ashamed
>japanese neo-euro style

You're trolling now.

Anon specifically mentioned having hair to balance their out their coord. Short 'fros wouldn't work. The same way pixie cuts look bad almost all the time with lolita.

>>7984821
haha wow you're terrible

My hair is just too unruly to manage. It doesn't straighten nicely, it gets frizzy and sits on my head like a square. I can't curl it because I have way too much hair, and my hair is just stubborn. All I can ever do is a nice up do, but my bangs curl into a handle bar mustache and that's just unappealing.

So.
Wigs.

>>7984709
Oh Honey...Misako not only wears lashes but a certain type of really big-in-the-middle Diamond Lash gyaru type lashes...she also sometimes wears wigs and extensions, btw...and just clips them in like they are a normal part of her outfit.

Let those who like them wear them. If you don't, don't? I'd rather see a well done wig or fake nails than scraggly hair and bitten nails any day though. And much of the 'more natural' look is exactly that. There is also nothing wrong with cosplayers wearing a bought/commissioned costume as long as they aren't trying to pass it off as self-made or entering contests they shouldn't.

I like using my natural hair because wigs are uncomfortable and itchy. For me, lolita has been about learning about my own femininity. I hadn't worn makeup or done my hair nicely since I was a young teen. With lolita I've been teaching myself how to do those things. I also want to apply the things I learn with lolita to my everyday life including dressing better and doing my hair.

I also work in a professional environment and would be concerned about my co-workers opinions of me if they recognized me in a wig.

I don't mind that other people like to use wigs, but personally I probably won't anytime soon.

>>7984801
w/e bitch

lemme at that reclaimed hardwood doe

uncle sieggy want at that peg and groove steeze


$20/sq ft bitch cash, i'll rip it up

For me, wigs are in the same category as false eyelashes as being too "much" for daily wear. Too much work for me. I don't mind at all if people want to wear wigs (or lashes) every day, but I hate the idea that we HAVE to. I cringe every time someone shits on another person's coord for not wearing a wig. We're not models on a catwalk, we don't have to look absolutely perfect to go to the grocery store, damnit.

People are gonna do as they please so if they were wigs then let them.
I love wearing wigs and do wear them all the time. My coworkers even like them and tell me I should wear them to work, but this is just my experience.

>>7984942
The only time I have seen that and thought it was legit was when everything else in a coordinate was very fancy, OTT or otherwise very dressy and the hair was meh. It's mentioned, poster whines about their hair not behaving etc., and people suggest a wig. It's almost predictable. Not everyone has great hair for the style they like to wear, but if you don't match your hair, you'll get told, just like if your socks don't match the coord.

Well done natural hair that fits with a coord usually gets nothing but praise and admiration. I admit, I wear wigs or extensions about 1/2 the time but I also have natural hair that goes well with most of my coordinates and I've never been told I needed (or would look better in) a wig.

>>7984709
>It's like congratulating a cosplayer's handiwork then finding out they didn't make it.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to style a wig? It's a lot harder than your real hair. The main reason I go with my natural hair over a wig is actually because wigs are so much more of a hassle. It's in no way comparable to finding out a cosplayer didn't make their costume.

>>7984709
>OP doesn't know what it's like to have thin, wiry strands of hair that can't hold a style, frizzes easily, and never grows past their shoulders

You don't have to be sick to have bad hair, you know. Some people were not born with good hair genetics.
People have told me I look BETTER with a wig because it achieves volume that I could never hope to achieve with my real hair. It balances out my outfits, and being plus size, it also balances out my body.

It fucking sucks, mkay?
I also have bad skin too. It's awful being an invisible person or worse, a 'sick' or 'tired' person, if you're not wearing a face full o slap to hide your red spots and scars.
The list goes on about things I wasn't born with but other people take for granted.

For some girls wigs are the best route. I used to have hair down to my mid back that would have been great in lolita but after getting extremely sick it began falling out and I had to cut it to a pixie cut. It's healthier now but has always been extremely thin. I also have a small head and the thin hair + a small head means that many hair accessories don't look right. I can't tell you the number of items I have that swamp one side of my head and look absolutely ridiculous without a wig.

OP, are you familiar with a little thing called black people? Unless they're mixed with something, black women very rarely have naturally good hair for lolita. Their options are either wear a wig or spending lawd knows how much at a salon, only to have to keep going back every two months for maintenance.

>>7984709
I don't mind wigs in lolita in the least, but people have told me I look stupid with an elaborate wig on (it was from Cyperous, and curled)

>>7984995
No it isnt. Most people in lolita do very basic styles, usually only slightly different from the natural state of the wig. There are some crazy styling in cosplay, but not in lolita. It also is easier to style a wig than your own hair because you can do it ahead of time.

Wigs are easy mode.

>>7984995
>It's a lot harder than your real hair.
I haven't read anything this stupid all day. Wigs are by far much easier to style than your own hair. You have 360° viewing ability, you can remove it at any time when you're reaching a difficult point, and if it gets messed up you just toss it in hot water and start over again.

Something tells me OP isn't really a lolita or just trying to rustle some, but I'll respond anyway.

No one has ever said needing a wig, fake lashes, fake nails is essential. The big thing with wigs though is that for people who do have a hard time styling theirs, it's a great way to get a good look and make sure everything is in order. Nothing makes me feel worse than having a nice coord and boring ass hair.

> big bows/accessories look like shit on flat hair
> flat greasy hair photographs like garbage
> dyeing hair constantly is damaging

>>7985095
>No one has ever said needing a wig, fake lashes, fake nails is essential.

She didn't say that either.

I will agree with her though, lolita has been taking a lot of the fake perfect princess looks from gyaru with in the past few years. I feel like sweet lolita(and those dreaded GLWs) attributed quite a bit to that. OTT style makes sense, but I feel like noobs especially think that lolita basics are similar to gyaru ones, circle lenses, lashes, floofy big hair, when that's not the case at all.

I think it may be getting worse now actually since OTT classic is making headway and it used to seem more limited to sweet.

>>7984865
>people think I have cancer
>not weird/creepy

>>7984709
There used to be a 'lolita natural hair' tumblr but it seems to have been deleted or something. To be honest, because it relied on submissions most of the girls had flat, lifeless hair that didn't look right in lolita.
Honestly, sometimes a wig is just better. I have a lot of hair, but it can't compare to the volume of a wig.

This tumblr is mostly wigs and hair accessories, but does have some hair tutorials reblogged. http://lolitahair.tumblr.com/

>>7984995
Unless you're going for ridiculous gravity-defying anime hairstyles, wigs are infinitely easier to style than real hair. They're fuller, you don't sleep on them, shower in them, often come pre-curled, etc. If it takes that much effort to make a wig look decent you must have bought an extraordinarily shitty wig.

>>7985209
I can't stand it when girls don't trim their hair and end up with an uneven rat tail looking thing
>muh length
doesn't matter if you're not taking care of it.

>>7985234
this happens to me when i become too much of a shutin to schedule an appointment

>>7985234
Agreed. When I see the tips of the hair like in >>7985209 it just looks kind of sad. It would look better if it was shorter but straighter instead of getting those longer wispy sections. I think sometimes girls forget that they need to cut and tidy their hair even if they are keeping it long.

>>7985209
>>7985234
I seriously hate this too. I think hair at this length is so nasty and creepy, the ends get so wispy and it looks terrible, there's really no way to have nice natural leg length hair.

>>7985234
That's the look some people go for. I think it's called fairytale length? I don't like it, personally.

>>7985256
>>7985255
>>7985234

you CAN have super long natural hair without it looking like ass. it;s just rare and takes some decent caring.

>pic related, a woman called cinnamonhair

>>7985234
It drives me nuts too. I had a friend that had hair like this. It looked nice near the roots but was a frayed and nasty mess at the ends. She bragged constantly that her last haircut was when she was a kid.

>>7985262
*like a rat tail
i cant type

>people ask me if my hair is a wig
I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not...

>>7985262
Now that is much better. Imagine the braids she can do.

>>7985262
>>7985266
While it's impressive her hair is that long and without the crappy ends, and it does look a lot better than the other girl's, I still really don't like how hair that long looks. There's something weirdly unnatural about it that I can't quite put my finger on.

>>7985270
but anon why imagine when you can see
beyondclassiclength.com/updos29.html

>>7984709
She's not wearing lolita in this picture, but Fairy Emily's hair from the back. Her hair is so long.

>>7985276
it's probably because youre not used to seeing it.

>>7985276
It has no body to it because her hair is weighed down. Doesn't help that it has absolutely no styling/layers/bangs what so ever so it looks like her hair is trying to eat her/scalp her slowly

>>7985209
>>7985234
>>7985255
>>7985256
I'd need to see another picture of this girl in order to really tell. It looks like way her curls are clumping up into the dress's folds and how some strands are out of sight is contributing to the wispy look.
If her hair was straightened and just flowing straight down with no obstructions, I'd bet it'd look plenty even.

>>7985276
I agree. Beyond butt length just looks bad.

>>7985294
>>7985209
It looks thicker and fuller here, but you can see the ends are still a little thin. It doesn't seem too bad though.

>>7985301
and here

Until pixie cuts start somehow magically looking good in lolita, I'm going to stick to my wigs.

>>7985276
I have the same thing. I think it's because it reminds me of some kind of cult. One kid in one of my classes came from this weird cult and every damn member had long, long hair and for some reason couldn't wear clothes with buttons (???).

>>7985351
Are you sure that kid wasn't fucking with you? Because that sounds a lot like I tell people when they ask about my hair.

>>7985358
Nope, I met the whole family and every one who were in that cult had that long hair, her many, many siblings as well as her close and extended family. That person was super nice but kind of weird.

>>7984747
Yea it is her real hair but she obviously put a lot more care into her appearance than other people. Chances are, other girls going au natural is just a big "did you even try?? Do you even Lolita?"

>>7985358
isn't "no buttons" an amish thing?

Lolitas just look so much more natural with their real hair. Wigs are so creepy.

>>7985369
Yes, and Amish women do not cut their hair either. They tend to wear it pulled back into a bun.

>>7985392

>>7985389
Everytime a girl over the age of 15 parts her hair in the middle with no bangs or layers, an orphan dies.

I don't wear wigs (nothing against them, though), however I'm high maintenance as all hell so hair can look appropriate with a coord. I still cringe when I see lolitas do nothing about their hair. Wig or not, put some damn work into it and stop being lazy.

>>7985234
It isnt a matter of taking care of it or not, it ends up being a preference. The LHC community calls it fairytail ends, likely because you see it in paintings like that. Some others will try to keep it straight or a V. But it isnt a sign of not taking care of your hair, just what you like.

Dumping what I have!

>>7985276
I actually think animated films are the only place where uber long hair look good, because on animator's desk they're not bound by sad reality, i.e. tangling, greasing, fraying, frying, flying idiotically into your face, clinging to your sweaty skin, parting unevenly and being too damn heavy for your neck.

>>7984865
Wow you sure don't sound like a cunt. I bet you love how everyone is extra nice to you instead of mocking your little girl dress because they think you're gonna die. Why don't you get a wheelchair too for extra kindness and so you can wear those cute shoes and never spoil them?

>>7985502
she could use more petti

>>7985470
My bad for wording, but I meant "take care of it" in the sense that while their hair is clean and such, it just looks like a mop because 9/10 they do absolutely nothing with it which makes it look ratty and like they don't keep it healthy.

>>7985488
>those shoes

What the actual fuck

>>7985497
They probably think she has cancer because of the wig. Might want to cut back on that angst.

I really like how some natural wigs look but I'm way over pastel wigs in lolita. I'm trying to be better about using my natural hair more for lolita but sometimes the weather doesn't cooperate (rain/100% humidity) so the only way to have a decent looking coord is to grab a wig.

Also no everyone has loliable natural hair either...

>>7985488
That's a mess.

>>7985502
Its so funny, my Dreamy Dollhouse always folds in the exact same places. Even with a lot of petti.

>>7985491
Jesus fucking Christ. She looks like Katas poor ugly twin sister.

>>7985351
I know Apostolic and Pentecostal don't cut their hair and have some rules on modesty.

>>7985482
I miss her

>>7985496
She's wearing a clip-on ponytail anon

>>7985419
>>7985416
Are these cut crooked or is it just me?

Requesting images of natural hair from girls that don't have bangs at all; it seems like most go for blunt ones or side-swept ones and I really can't rock either of those. Right now I'm stuck parting down the middle or doing a side part.

As for OP...a decent wig will be difficult to recognize as well, a wig. Unless it's the cotton candy pastel ones, in which case the wig is hopefully appropriate for an OTT coord anyway.

As for lashes and nails and lenses...I honestly don't think they're as common as you think unless all you're looking at are photos from conventions and other large events. For example, the last meet I went to had about 40 people in attendance. No one had fake nails (and if they did, they were very subtle, not the OTT bling-up style ones), 3 or 4 of us had lenses, 5 or 6 with wigs, and one or two with false lashes. I think people just like to post photos of the more OTT coords online so maybe that's why you're not seeing as many 'natural' lolitas?

I don't think lenses, fake nails, wigs, or false lashes are necessary per say (look at old school lolita, none of that was really a thing at all), but it's one way to change up a look and make it more dramatic without doing something permanent like perming your hair...and a lot of lolitas don't necessarily know how to style their hair or do their nails and cuticle care and stuff like that so their natural look may not be as polished as they'd like for lolita.

I'm getting repetitive I think sorry.

>>7985606
shes pretty, who is she?
>im a newfag ok

>>7985624
does it really matter? Her hair looks more natural than a wig.

>>7985633

>All wigs look fake all the time regardless of color and style

Wrong, and if the point of this thread was natural hair then it's a post that doesn't fit with what OP requested.

>>7984998

OP has fine, frizzy curly hair and acne (and urticaria and several types of eczema) I just do the best i can with what I have.

And hearing 'good hair' like that makes me think of that Chris Rock documentary.

>>7985624
Sorry, it's hard to tell in the pic preview when uploading.

>>7985007

OP is black...

And why do black people have to use fake hair to emulate euro hair to look good for lolita?

>>7985486

I have a huge crush on her

>>7985646
because unless they were very lucky with genetics, their real hair do not actually look good with lolita. any other question?

I have short hair which could theoretically work for lolita. Unfortunately, I love headdresses a lot and if I don't wear a wig or some sort of extensions, my head ends up disappearing behind the accessories.

I don't get the wig hate, tbh. I don't think it's anymore 'fake' than wearing skin-coloured tights.

>>7985646
Stop fucking referring to yourself in the third person.

>>7984716
Pretty sure sometimes Fanny Rosie even mixes in extensions.

>>7985686
I feel you, anon. My hair is short and sleek (like pic related), which looks great with my normal clothes, but I like sweet lolita so it seems out of place when everything else is so fluffy and pastel.
I seriously doubt anyone here actually is SO against natural-looking wigs. It's cheap, tacky, weirdly colored ones that people bitch about.

>>7985734
No, she wouldnt really need to with how much she has. I think at most she may use something to help create poof for updos, but she actually has really long hair.

Bless this thread. I have really long butt length hair and find wigs uncomfortable, so to see more photos of Lolitas with natural hair cheers me up. On that note I love Rocaille's look.

I don't find wigs weird or creepy, but I prefer to use my natural hair. I just think wigs look weird on me personally, probably because I have a tiny head/face...or maybe I just need to get used to them more, I don't know.
It's also more comfortable to go natural.

>>7985115
I think I got a picture reblog by them at the start of the year and I felt guilty because I was wearing extensions but I was newish to tumblr and didn't really get how to tell them it was fake.

>>7985646
Use real hair, then. You'll end up in ita threads and losing followers but no one is going to burn you alive. If that doesn't matter to you, who cares?

>>7985007
>black women very rarely have naturally good hair for lolita.

Really kinda take issue with that phrasing.

I think OP is right, in the sense that we think straight/slightly wavy hair is best with lolita because that's what we're used to (everything else seems to be a weird troll).

Natural hair can be difficult to style, but I don't think super kinky or curly hair inherently clashes with the lolita aesthetic.

As for the wig debate, I don't spend as much time in the comm anymore to know if people actually think that wigs are necessary for anything but OTT, but is it possible that you're mixing cosplayers and lolitas? Just because a lot of people use wigs over their real hair doesn't mean people think it's mandatory to do so.

>>7984709

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGCglYCWYbo
Don't forget her 3 layers of foundation video tutorial too where she's wearing fake lashes and fake nail stuff...you know, since she's your natural example! Heh.

>>7985858
Omg! A lolita wearing fake lashes!
So she's a fake!
Oh my God

>>7985864
Uh, OP was the one saying that they hate when lolis wear lashes/makeup/whatever, so anon was pointing out his example was doing just that
reading comp please learn it

>>7985868
Not only does Misako wear all of the above, she makes tutorials for doing it so obviously doesn't just think it's suitable for editorial shoots.
>in before 'she's a model, that's not for real Lolitas'

I don't even understand why this is an issue.
If you feel better or are able to achieve the style you want with your natural hair, go for it. If you'd rather wear a wig to achieve your desired hairstyle or need to wear a wig for that desired style, go for it.
This shouldn't even be a goddamn argument.

>>7985855

Speaking of black women, or mixed race women even having naturally super curly to kinky hair, the actress who played Dido Elizabeth Belle in the film Belle looked beautiful. Not Lolita, but considering the era this was based in and her outfit shown, it's close enough to show natural hair can still look as nice.

>>7985814
holy shit how is she not getting constant headaches? I have her exact hair type but in light brown and i can't even grow it past my bellybutton before it starts pulling on my head big time and giving me days-long headaches until i cut it.
how the fuck did she do that?

>>7985626
that was Katzixx. she died of liver failure this summer. poor girl.

>>7984709
Reason I wear them is I bleach my hair but my natural color is dark and 95% of the time when I want to wear Lolita my roots are painfully obvious. Also my hair is all single length bangs don't agree with my hair and it takes forever to style. Wigs save so much time and always look how they need to.
Especially my fave wig, its close to my color but its got a short base and nice curly tails, shit would take me too damn long with my hair

>>7985893
i don't get this, hair is really not that heavy?
my head hurts only when i try to detangle after not combing for a few days

>>7985887
Costumes were great and so was the hair in that film. I wore Ball at Versailles to see that film.

sage for non-contribution

>>7985900
To those who aren't used to it, it's very heavy.

I remember wearing a wig for the first time and getting ass-length braids installed for the first time. Both made my neck and head hurt like a mother, and it was really hard to get used to.

I'm assuming the person you're replying to is like me and is thinking from that perspective. If you have long hair, obviously you're used to the weight.

>>7985900
Hair is really heavy actually. If you have long hair, braid it, then thwack someone with it. They will complain much more than if you hit them with a skein of wool. If you have naturally long hair, you adjust to the weight so gradually that you don't feel it.

>>7985209
>>7985234
>>7985246
>>7985255
>>7985256
>>7985260
Yup, it's called fairytailing. I really like it, personally

>>7985497
wut
1. I don't wear lolita to school
2. Nobody talks to me apart from schoolwork so they're not "nice to me"

>til what people think about me makes me a cunt

>>7985106
It's not the wig-wearing that's weird/creepy then, it's people being too beta to ask and assuming things instead.

>>7984747
Thank you for posting this image. I watched the video with her wearing this outfit the other day and was really wanting a photo of her in it.

>>7985954
>fairytailing
I think I'm going to throw up.

>>7985954
i see people call it 'fairytale ends' not 'fairytailing', that just sounds weird

>>7984811
Not everybody can naturally have great hair. Many underlying health problems can damage hair. When I was a teenager I could grow hair down to my waist easily, now my hair is thin and split ended even though I care for it well. For normal looks it is fine but its not great for lolita so I generally wear a wig.

And everybodies hair looks fucking awful immediately after taking off a wig, just sayin'

>>7985380
selfpoooooost

>>7986082
She wasn't being serious.

>>7986085
god I hope not.

>>7985651
shes in my comm, i dont know her too well but shes always been such a sweetheart

>>7985646
I'm also black

I wear wigs because I like them, I like how versatile they are, I like changing up my style, i like how convenient they are, I like being able to hide my hair under a wig while I grow it out. I don't give a shit about looking "European" I give a shit about what's convenient and what looks good to me, and on me. So fuck off with that "you're trying to look white" shit, cus I ain't havin it

>>7985267
I get asked in and out of lolita if my hair is my real hair. I don't really see anything special about as its dark, wavy, thick and semi long. I used to get made fun of because of my hair in school.

>>7985855
dude, those pics you posted are of girls that were lucky. they're the black equivalent of fanny rosie. i really doubt any black woman can maintain hair that long and good looking.

>>7984874
I feel your pain anon. I am very jealous of people who have perfect bangs because no matter what I do, they always split. Unless I use tons of freeze spray but that looks like shit.

>>7986051
>white weeaboo horsegirls
>landwhale with hair as only beauty source

Most of your need a pair of scissors.

I like wearing wigs because it gives me the volume that I want my hair to be and because I don't have to keep on retouching my hair. I have very thin hair and even if I do a bun with my hair, it's only 1.5 inches wide in diameter. Anything I do with my hair is very limp and gross looking.

>>7985827
Not necessarily.
I'm black and usually always use my natural hair at cons and meet ups.
I have really thick, long natural hair and can style it well by myself.
I don't have a blog because I don't like taking pictures of myself but I've never seen myself posted in an ita thread or have anyone say anything bad about my hair.
Everyone always loves it and askes me 50 questions about it.
My mother never permed by hair so I've had really long hair and shorter hair when I cut it because lazy but my hair grows super fast.

>>7985954
ugh that's disgusting, it looks so nasty

>>7986166
Have you tried blow drying your bangs? There are specific ways you can blow dry them so they sit exactly the way you want without splitting, becoming flat or piecey. YouTube should know.

>>7984747
I want to be friends with her so badly

>>7986163
they can't because they don't try, they relax their hair or aren't taught how to care for it

>>7985489
i agree 100%

>>7986195
I've blow dried my bangs, I've straightened them, I've curl ironed them, I've slept with them wet on my head with pins to keep them in place, I've done probably everything under the sun to keep them in place and the only thing that works is tons of gel or tons of freeze spray and we all know that is not a good look.

I've got knee-length hair, admittedly cutting it shorter soon, but honestly I think that kind of length makes your hair too flat for lolita unless you have blessed genes.
Curling it and doing things like >>7985486 looks lovely, but given the effort and risk to damaging your hair, wigs are still usually easier. Braided updos are great for hiding 'fairy tales' but again, it's half to time spent just to put on a nice wig.

Personally for natural hair I prefer just shorter than shoulder length, with a fringe, and then curled. But you can't beat a great wig for volume.

Agreeing with >>7985625 anon in everyday lolitas tend to use their own hair, but it's more casual so that doesn't get posted online so much.

>>7986222
I think its time for you to explore the wonderful world of clip on bangs

I really try to keep things natural as well, but I honestly don't think I'm pretty enough to do that. Trying to "doll" myself up with like lenses, lashes, etc just makes me uncomfortable too. I'm just stuck in the middle and it sucks fuuuuuck

>>7985470
This This This

The thinning of the hair at the ends is done very much on purpose. Without thinning the hair out at the ends it can also become really heavy and difficult/awkward to style etc.

A cut straigh across looks damn tacky and horrible IMO.

>>7986339
It doesn't have to be blunt or have these things called layers, but fairytailing looks tacky as shit on top of making you look like you're in some kind of doubty cult

>>7986342
No

>>7986342
>stop liking what I don't like!

>>7986342

I think you're out of style, anon. I've had long hair all my life, and I have to admit it looks a lot better when my hair has been layered or tapered. I once stopped going to the hairdressser for six months, went in for a trim and the hairdresser insisted on doing a tapered cut, it looked heaps better after being tapered (and no, not because she cut the split ends off. The hairdresser herself acknowledged that I had no split ends, she just wanted to fix what she said was a heavy, outdated hairstyle).

I have to admit that I have a lot of hair, though. Every hairdresser I've been to wants to layer, taper, bleach, curl, and do other things to my hair so it doesn't look so thick and heavy.

>>7986356
I literally said not blunt i.e tapered(forgot the word though) or layers, just leaving it to grow with no atual style or body to it looks awful.

>>7986374
Thinning the hair out at the ends, or cutting in a V shape is a style whether you like it out not.

Even leaving to grow out without shaping it is a style. Grow up.

>>7985858

I did mention I was hard-pressed to find a natural photo (barring old school maybe) Just needed one to start the thread. It does go to show how crazy things are when most people need 3 layers of foundation just to meet average criteria or most guys wouldn't even know angirl is wearing 'natural' makeup but would recoil in horror at someone going makeup free. We're kind of conditioning ourselves to freak out at our normal skin/hair etc, and I'm not even talking about people with problems like major acne or alopecia. I keep seeing 'no wig' and 'no makeup' as criticisms in ita threads where the clothes are more the issue. It's sad when I see people with hair I'd kill for cover it up with a wig. It makes you wonder if your priority is making the fashion work for you or tailoring yourself around the fashion

>>7986389
Honestly I think during the day in real life not on camera caked make up is really obvious and ugly and I rarely see it on average adult women. But I'm European.

>>7986396
I'm European as well and the only people I see wearing caked on makeup here are trashy pissikset (blonde bimbo type) and Slavs, although Slavs do it differently somehow.
Nobody wears any makeup outside of special occasions where I live, or if they do it's very very subtle.

>>7986396
>>7986437
Where I am most people wear natural makeup. I personally wea a lot of it, but people dont believe me if I say so. European too.

>>7986437

Where I am I see people regularly caking it on with a fucking wooden paddle in the restroom. And I'm in Europe too. And no, it isn't just the dirty bimbo slavs doing it. You can hardly distinguish their formal makeup from their everyday makeup, it's ridiculous.

>>7986458
I didn't say it was just the bimbo Slavs, nor that Slavs were necessarily bimbos... I said that only really trashy Finnish girls and slutty teens do it, as well as Slav girls.

Slav girls do it differently, they look less bimbo-y when they do it but it still looks tacky, just more in a "gypsy who really likes shiny objects" way.

I think the key is how GOOD you look without it. Is your hair able to hold up to a style that fits your coord? Is your skin nice enough to not need heavy foundation? Lashes long and full? I've gone to a meet with no wig, just a good hairstyle; no foundation, just powder; no lashes, just mascara...no lenses. Then I've gone with the full set of all of them. Both or any combination can work. Stick to what you like or even switch it up according to how you feel. Don't let anyone dictate these things to you. Any of you.

>>7984811
I think you need to quit judging people so much and mind your business.

>>7984709

I have very long hair (bum length), it's straight and I have a (blunt) fringe, in a natural red/copper color (dyed though). It's a very Lolita appropriate hair style.
Most times, I don't wear a wig, I just try to style it nicely, or on occasions like meets I visit the salon to have it done.
Some co-ords look better with another color or style though, sometimes I opt for a shorter style wig in brown, or a more gothic wig in black or deep red.
I do like wigs, just not the unnatural looking ones they wear with sweet sometimes. Though that trend seems to be dissipating anyway, twin tails etc in mint or pink, etc just aren't popular any more.
I wear gothic and classic, so I have no need to wear pastel or unnatural colored wigs.
I don't think anyone should have a reason to wear a wig, medical issues or not you can do whatever you like.
I do prefer seeing people working with their own hair, unless it's unwashed, unkempt, etc.
The Polish girl in OP's picture has gorgeous hair, so does Fanny Rose!

>>7984747

I agree, her hair looks nice, why should she wear a wig? Wig are not a necessity unless you have a very extreme and unloliable hairstyle or a medical issue.

>>7985855

Sad times

My natural hair is so long that it doesn't even fit under a wig cap. I've tried every method I've found, but combined with my big head, it just makes the wigs not fit correctly and they never cover my neck. I also get the most horrible headaches when wearing wigs because of all the stress on my head, I really can't stand it. I like how my natural hair looks in lolita, I have waist-length super-straight black hair with bangs, but in many cases it just blends into my dress because 80% of my dresses are black. It can look cool in some cases, but I really wish I could wear wigs easier to give that kind of contrast between my hair and dress

See, but people bitch if you wear your "natural"/actual hair too, especially if it doesn't fit the aesthetic. How many times have people been posted to the ita thread for having ~speshul snowflake tumblr edgelord hair~ and not having the common fucking sense to throw on a wig and cover that shit up?

Dirty punk anon here, I KNOW my normal hair (shaved in weird places and a bunch of neon colors and grown-out roots and not girly or cute at all) is not acceptable for a lolita coord, so I have wigs. If I just wandered out of the house in an otherwise nice coord with my real hair, the internet would skin me alive. It doesn't fit the fashion, because my lifestyle doesn't, but at least I have the common sense to figure that out and take a step to fix it for lolita fashion (wear a wig, no matter how "creepy" it is).

Lolita is a hobby and an escape for me. I'm not giving up my hxc punx lifestyle hair for something I do as a hobby when I manage to find the time between work and travel and punk junk, especially when wigs are so cheap in comparison. Just my $0.02, but maybe my opinion doesn't count because I'm not a 24/7 daily lifestyle lolita.

>>7984716
>i think i'm the only one tired to see Fanny Rosie in every cgl topic
>>7985548
I want to know how to do these curly pigtails, extensions or need my hair longer? Mine are thin and chin length, bob styled so they look a bit flat. Also i wont make my hair grow longer, i look like shit with long hair.

>>7986766
A lot of girls use clip on pigtails to give that effect on shorter hair. You just make your real hair into two little buns and clip them on top, like shown in >>7985858

>>7986619
You could look into clip-in extensions in fun colors, that could give you some contrast without going the full wig route, and it would help to draw visual attention to what sounds like really lovely hair.

>>7986766
You can't do curly pigtails that length if your hair is only chin length to start with - as you can see, the pigtails themselves are chin length after being curled. I would get clip on pigtails.

What's the consensus on twintails in lolita?

>>7986864
With natural hair it can look pretty cute. It obviously depends on the style of twintails you're doing and what you're wearing. But generally I think they're a pretty well accepted hairstyle.

>>7986879
What styles are accepted and what styles are not?

>>7986163
They could if they tried. It's not hard. People assume it's ridiculously hard when the biggest issue is just the time it takes to grow noticeable length

>just lucky
The girl on the left has the kinkiest hair possible. What most black girls would have. The other two just have twist outs.

> i really doubt any black woman can maintain hair that long and good looking.

You don't know a lot of black women. Least of all the women in the photos, your sentence doesn't even make sense.

>>7985887
Fuck I love that

>>7985265
>I was that kid

my mum didn't allow me to cut my hair

>>7986904
but i do know black people tend to have finer and drier hair, which means it breaks easily and demands a lot of specific care that people don't always know about.
and even if they do, some people just have shit genetics.

not everyone can have beautiful hair, even if they try. i don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

Ugh hush

>>7984942
>Too much work
>we don't have to look absolutely perfect to go to the grocery store, damnit
It's cute when people think like that, I need fifteen minutes to put on and properly style a wig or clip-in extensions. I would need up to three hours for my natural hair.

>>7985319
>>7984716
I would kill a toddler in his mother's arms for hair like that. Fuck genetics

>>7986955
It's not just genetics though, anon, there's a lot of hard work.
I have classic length but just from wearing hair elastics a bit more and lightening it, it now takes over an hair to brush it properly each day, and I can't wear it down for long without damaging it.

Louvrianne (or however it's spelt) pretty much can never wear her hair down in case she damages it, she's even said, and she needs to keep it in protective styles all the time, and you can see from FannyRosie's old photos that her beautiful curls are the results of time-consuming rag curling etc, and not just genetic.

>>7986938
Natural black hair isn't fine where did you hear that?
The only reason it's dry is because our roots are thick which blocks the oils that come out of our scalp. This can easily be fixed by using a moisturizer on your hair everyday.
My hair doesn't break anymore than the average person.
I literally don't take care of my hair the way I should and it's still thick and long so it really doesn't demand specific care unless your styling it.
Now if you're growing your hair out from a relaxer then yes you have to take care of it more but once you're natural or have been natural it's really easy to do your hair.

>>7986979
Different anon, but some natural black hair is. Don't speak for the whole of a group of people.
Let's not make this a race thing, let's make it a 'my personal experience thing'.

>>7986982
Yeah but it really isn't the majority though.
Let's just say it's like how every race has different hair types.

>>7986971
Could you give examples of good styles to prevent hair damage?

>>7984758
That lipstick must look so bad with the rest of the outfit.

>>7988874
Depends on the length of your hair.
If your hair is long, the weight should either be dispersed around your whole head (i.e. two braids wrapped across/around the head, milk maid style) or at the least you should change where the weight is as often as possible. Simple buns with minimum tension or pins.

If your hair is short that the pulling isn't such an issue, then anything with minimal pins/elastics is good. Plaits keep the hair together and lower damage to flyaway strands.

Google about the long hair community for more.

>>7988947
Ok, thank you!

>>7988947
I don't understand this at all. My hair is so long it gets gets clenched in my ass when I'm naked and I almost always wear it down unless I'm sleeping or lazy. It also only takes like 30 seconds to brush. People always tell me it's beautiful and it's not that damaged. I don't think it takes as much work as you think

>>7984935
ok, about time I finally filtered your trip

>>7986091
whoosh

>>7986943
No one even acts like they've always been the norm, but that doesn't mean they don't look better. Just like in cosplay, with the increased quality of wigs, the amount of tutorials for almost anything you can imagine, and the advancement in technology has only led to improvement in the overall quality of cosplays over the years. Same goes for loli. Just because that's "how it was", doesn't mean it's better, and doesn't mean you should refuse to change.

>>7989317
Just because you can do it doesnt mean everyone can. Most people with long hair end up doing braids and buns daily to keep their hair protected.

Taking 30 seconds to brush it is likely just your hair type. It takes me 30 minutes to comb out my hair and thats because it is curly, so it is something I do only when its wet anyways.

>>7986953

THIS.

I have really fine straight hair with zero body so it ends up looking thiner than it really is. In order to give it any curl and volume I have to blow it dry, use 20 lbs of product and then put it in hot rollers that I have to leave in for a while (curling iron is too brief of contact, my hair won't hold shape). Afterwards I have to use half a bottle of hairspray. The whole ordeal takes at least 45 min to an hour.

And after all that my hair will STILL straighten and lose the style in about 4 hours. Just in time for group pictures.

A wig? I throw that shit on and I am done.

How are wigs not 500% easier for looking fabulous fast? Even if your hair isn't as shitty as mine, there is no possible way you can style your natural hair faster than the amount of time it takes to just put on your already perfectly fucking wig.

>>7989845
I know that feel anon

>>7986979
Mine is. It's dense in the number of hair but fine and prone to breakage. It's still back length, just means I have to wrap it every night, spend an hour detangling it and saturate it with coconut oil. The reason black hair gets dry is because of the shape of the hair shaft making it more structurally delicate, easy to snag/tangle and oil can't travel all the way down the shaft as well as straight hair. This leads to breakage as well as chemical processing or heat. I learned the hard way to never let a salon put straighteners in my hair...

If I want it straighter for a meet or con I set it overnight and pray lol

>>7989756
I've definitely met newbies who try to give advice to other newbies and tell them to get a wig before they tell them to get a petticoat. Of course experienced lolitas know better but many newbies (in my comm, anyway) 'grew up' seeing OTT sweet lolitas with enormous hair and think that's a necessary part of the look. One time I was wearing a natural-looking wig and one of the newbies I'd never met before apparently thought I was new too, and told me my coord would look a lot better if I got a wig like everyone else. It was awkward.

>>7989845
Same here! I also have thin hair that takes tons of product to have anything resembling volume. Braided styles look okay, but that's about it. Wigs are so much easier and typically look better.

Obviously some people can do the natural hair look with the style, but I am not one of them. And the wigs I choose all look very natural--people who do not see me on a regular basis rarely even know they are wigs.

It's a matter of preference and practicality in the end.

>>7985646
>>7986140

>So fuck off with that "you're trying to look white" shit, cus I ain't havin it

thank you lmao

>>7986619
I don't get this myself. I have extremely long thick hair that goes down to my ass (and I'm 5'10) and have always been able to wear wigs and wig caps just fine.

>>7990553
Different anon here. I have fine hair also and my hair doesn't break a lot. What do you use on your hair?
And do you detangle in the shower with conditioner? My hair is to my shoulder blades and detangling in the shower takes me around 10 mins.
My mom and I both have natural hair but my is finer and it's easier for me to do my hair because it's fine. I can also use less products.
Is your hair relaxed? You can still warp your natural hair? I can only pineapple mine.
Just make sure you sleep with a satin cap on it also helps stop the breakage.

>>7986282
I think it is time for me to do so too.

>>7984751
No offense, but that's because you have a green afro.

If you've dyed your natural hair or styled it in a way that doesn't go with lolita, of course this is the case. But a lot can be achieved with natural hair colors being styled that is cute and loliable.

>>7984753
>implying that most hair colors you could wear a wig with that suit your skin tone aren't going to have that problem anyway.

>>7989317
Yeah, I have slightly longer than BSL hair and I can get nasty amounts of damage from just looking at it wrong. If I don't wear an updo I look like hermoine granger got into a barfight. You have exceptional hair genes.

>>7991568
It's weird though, I keep seeing these comments and complaints about keeping hair healthy and not dead-looking but I dyed and bleached mine to shit and it's still nice.
Too bad I'm paper bag-tier ugly so not even magic titanium hair helps.

>>7985900
Ive weighed my hair before. Just the ponytail weighed half a pound.
its ridiculous.

>>7991590
can we see your hair
you can hide your visage if you want, even if i doubt you are that ugly

>>7991111
try coconut oil and cholesterol treatments!

>>7991601
when I wash it sure, right now it looks like I crawled out of a fat woman's lunch

>>7991590
I've dyed and bleached my (fine, thin) hair a ton and it actually gave it more body (darker colors add a bit of volume) and smoothness.
It's not 1989 anymore, bleach and dye don't damage your shit unless you're a complete idiot

>>7991601
>>7992151
Here you go.
Mind that I've coloured my hair about six times since October, and once dyed it black then had to have the dye lifted again. I'm a natural brunette.

>>7986339
Absolutely this. I have a natural Merida-style curl going on and once my hair gets past my shoulderblades it NEEDS to be tapered, or it goes into a giant solid brick of curl. Layering doesn't worse because it ends up in 'steps.'