/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7877663
So proud of the SF com but I wish the mods weren't such wimps

The stupidity just keeps on coming from this special snowflake.

>Meetup at a place called St. George Spirits Distillery

>"I've always wanted to do wine tasting!"

>>7877694
she's not of drinking age

>>7877687
lol this is the sf thread i guess

>>7877710
yep SF has taken over

still open to all commdrama though

>>7877708
Shouldn't someone say something?

>>7877714
oh no, I meant that she wouldn't necessarily know what spirits are, if she is under 21.

she will be 21 by then

I'm not even friends with MB on FB but I can see the status and all the posts ass patting him because "weeeeh i'm banned cuz transphobia high schoolers blahblah" when it was clearly emphasized everywhere else it has nothing to do with that and just being a sleezy asshole.

i don't know if they even come here reading this stuff but here's my message to them:

it looks like you have friends supporting you. why don't you make your own loli meetups with them instead of inviting yourself to meets where people don't feel comfortable around you? what's the point?

>>7877717
Oh man, I kind of want to go now just to see her shitfaced.

>>7877717
I dunno, most people I know have had hard alcohol before 21.

>>7877732
If her mom is so controlling that she can't even buy a dress from AP without getting caught, I'd bet dollars to donuts that she's never had an illicit alcoholic beverage for similar reasons.

THIS IS WHY WE DON'T WANT YOU

>>7877734
mmmm melty cream doughnut

>>7877748
I wish I was his FB friend so I could give them a reality check, I could give a shit if they delete me. They are lying openly about what they were banned for and that's how they're getting support from these idiots. Its infuriating.

>>7877719
He gets off on making people uncomfortable.

>>7877748
Ew. Disgusting but very clear. I don't understand how he still has supporters when it's obvious they're just part of fap fodder to him.

What is OP's picture from?

I actually recently found out that our local creep has way less people that are his friends than previously thought. They just don't know how to nicely get rid of him.

i messaged Melissa on fb and asked a lot of qs if anyone is interested in seeing the caps.

a lot of it is me calling her out on bullshit and her covering her ass.

>>7877803
Yes please!

>>7877803
Why is this even a question? Of course!

>>7877803

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>>7877828
Did you ask these with your fb account? They're being very candid

>>7877828

>>7877831
yeah i'm not a part of his comm and iam a lonelita so i dont feel this is going to affect me much.

>>7877828
>>7877813
>>7877803
You know that since sissies get off on being 'degraded', we're technically cybering them right now.

>>7877832
More?

>>7877832

>>7877838
that's so stupid, I don't go liking BDSM/Bondage/etc fetishes on my FACEBOOK to let everyone I know. Get a fetlife or use tumblr like fuck.

>>7877838

>>7877849

starting to feel bad for Melissa... Is she like... Does she have normal cognitive functions?

>>7877816
Wait but he said later on the convo that he was not a lolita, when he literally said "yes and no" right here.

Is he retarded?

>>7877854
>>7877856
It looks to me like Melissa is caught in a lie. Trying to get out of it but failing and you can see that because she keeps changing her story.

>>7877856
he isnt coherent at all

i was kind of leaving it to you guys to figure some of this out.

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>>7877852
Can you ask him why he's lying about the reason he got kicked out of the comm?

>>7877836

>>7877864

>>7877857
>>7877858
It just seems to me like he can't quite follow through his own stories and is most likely lying or trying really hard to cover his ass.

First he says that him being a sissy is half true, but then he says he's not a sissy.
Then he says he likes sissies but he's still not a sissy and now he adds he's trans.
Then he says that lolita could be considered a fetish, because sissies and lolitas are alike, but he totally doesn't do sissy shit because he separates both things.

So honestly this raises even more questions because:

a]How can you claim you're trans yet you like the idea of sissies. Sissies are men who are humiliated and degraded to feminization, and they get off to it. Isn't that like contradictory? You identify as female yet like the idea of men getting degraded by being forced to do feminine things.
b]How can you honestly say you agree lolita is a fetish right after you got kicked out and then get indignant at the injustice? You just gave the comm solid proof your ban was fair.

So honestly it does seem he's trying really hard to cover the fact he's indeed a sissy but this caught him off guard and he's not formed a solid story yet. I mean before getting banned he could cry transphobia and people wouldn't follow through, but now it's a completely different case.

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>>7877874
through feminization*
fuck it's 5am and i'm too tired for this, but if there are more caps by all means post them.

>>7877874
Anyway, him being a sissy isn't even the main reason he was banned. During the discussion, it was kind of a grey area since there were people saying that he could have a fetish without associating itwith the fetish. I disagree, and I definitely think he's mixing the two, but the reason he got banned was for threats of physical violence, harassment, and racism.

>>7877878
Oh no I know he got banned because he was violent toward other members of the comm, but this whole conversation just gives the comm more reasons to keep him away. Him not making any sense and having his ideas all over the place is also a good indicator he's lying.

>>7877875
>my sister has dated black guys

I... I don't even know what to say.

>>7877875
Hahaha, it kind of seems like she might say that kind of thing. But listing off your coloured acquaintances seems like trying waaay too hard to not be lablled as racist.

I just realized the file names for the caps lmfao.

>>7877875
The other person involved caps here.

>>7875234

>>7877875
Shaf already shared her side of the story and I believe hers over Melissa's. There were witnesses that said Melissa was WAITING for Shaf to start screaming shit at her. What a fucking psycho.

I don't know what the fuck Melissa is trying to say either. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

If Melissa is so stuck on the idea ask why we haven't kicked out the other brolitas/transgendered lolitas in the comm. oh right because they haven't displayed their sissy fetish out in the open and/or threatened to beat someone up.

>>7877875
"I don't understand how I threatened someone... I just said we could fight"

WHAT

>>7877887
YEAH I was laughing hard at that, too. "I just implied we could beat the shit out of each other, I meant no harm!"

>>7877885
Don't even call that "thing" a her

>>7877882
I love "I know black people card" that melissa is playing while saying the TM case wasn't a race thing. Some ask him if Ferguson was a race thing or not and see if he says something about only the black protestors. (it's a multirace protest)
And that, I didn't threaten her I just said me a grown man will fight a younger woman over a Facebook status.

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>>7877875
I can't decide if I should pity this person or what. Clearly there is something miswired in Melissa's brain.

>>7877982
Just because someone is insane doesn't mean you should be sorry for them. It is basically pointless since it lets them get away with unacceptabel behavior.

>>7878002
Oh. No. I'm not saying that he should be allowed to get away with it; actions have consequences. That community ban is just the first add far as I'm concerned. But I feel like he is one of those people who should get help and never will because he's so deluded and fucked up. That's sad. Even moreso because he arrogantly has no idea that he isn't the victim, but the abuser/bully/aggressor, and is going to probably repeat this pattern forever, subjecting more people to his lunacy.

So I guess maybe I should pity the people he'll meet and try to befriend one day instead.

>gets kicked out of comm for threatening people
>friends tell him he should punch somebody
Hmmmmm

>>7878058
All the lies they're telling their friends in the comments, wow. They don't seem to get that its not about their fucking identity either.

>>7878058
I take these people are also in the comm?
How fcuking dumb can you be.

>>7878085
A few seem to be also sissies or people who like sissies. Like they Teddy guy, its a fat black guy who's really into sissies and shemales.

>>7877836
Fun for the whole family...?

>>7878070
I'm afraid that this whole debacle is going to give people the impression that the SF comm is "transphobic" which means that they will get a lot of flack from people who aren't even in the fashion. Even if they are trans and taking hormones like they said, the fact that they're blatantly lying about why they were banned is so infuriating. They know they can garner sympathy this way and make SF look like mean bullies and people will ignore his violent threats. I hate to say welcome to Tumblr, but that's...basically the climate of the "trans brigade" on the site. Defend violent men who threaten women because oppression. I hate that that's gotten dragged into Lolita. Is nothing sacred?

>>7877784
Some of his supporters are other sissies.

>>7877789
OP here.
Found it with search engine. Some random AP event off their official blog, cannot remember which. Sorry!

>>7878193
How is that NOT a dead giveaway to others?

>>7878185
Two things.

1. Pretend Melissa is an actual girl. (Like, born a biological female.) If the same things went down, not just with Shaf but also all the other lolitas who spoke up about what she did to them, she would be flat out banned. The fact that he is a male means nothing, other than him unfortunately having an excuse to play the victim card. Although this would happen with a biological girl too. This mindset of "I've done absolutely nothing wrong" will always find a reason to place the blame on others, so if she was a PoC/didn't have brand/was fat/etc. she would still find a way to be a victim for that reason. Let gossip be gossip. The only opinions that matter about this are those in the SF comm. And if the SF comm gets that reputation (which I am convinced it won't) that will be laughably incorrect.

2. Anyone with half a brain can see what happened pretty clearly. If they are going to believe Melissa's side without reading what happened OR still sided with him after reading what happened, I doubt the comm would want them anyway. If someone is so ego centric to see this situation as trans-hate, they would only bring down the comm in the same way as Melissa did.

I am actually in this comm and the one thing I am worried about is him still trying to show up to meets or him doing something dangerous. Reading that he carries a gun already made me uncomfortable, especially with his easily triggered temper and violent threats. He also seems to be friends with people who take violence lightly. I really think the police should be informed about this entire situation because something like this can sometimes escalate and actually become dangerous.

>>7878185
Two things.

1. Pretend Melissa is an actual girl. (Like, born a biological female.) If the same things went down, not just with Shaf but also all the other lolitas who spoke up about what she did to them, she would be flat out banned. The fact that he is a male means nothing, other than him unfortunately having an excuse to play the victim card. Although this would happen with a biological girl too. This mindset of "I've done absolutely nothing wrong" will always find a reason to place the blame on others, so if she was a PoC/didn't have brand/was fat/etc. she would still find a way to be a victim for that reason. Let gossip be gossip. The only opinions that matter about this are those in the SF comm. And if the SF comm gets that reputation (which I am convinced it won't) that will be laughably incorrect.

2. Anyone with half a brain can see what happened pretty clearly. If they are going to believe Melissa's side without reading what happened OR still sided with him after reading what happened, I doubt the comm would want them anyway. If someone is so ego centric to see this situation as trans-hate, they would only bring down the comm in the same way as Melissa did.

I am actually in this comm and the one thing I am worried about is him still trying to show up to meets or him doing something dangerous. Reading that he carries a gun already made me uncomfortable, especially with his easily triggered temper and violent threats. He also seems to be friends with people who take violence lightly. I really think the police should be informed about this entire situation because something like this can sometimes escalate and actually become dangerous.

gotta love that he's really just a sissy creep who tries to get close to women on the grounds that he supposedly identifies female, but keeps his male privilege and uses it to unapologetically threaten women and behave violently. and then decides to play the "i'm discriminated against because i'm trans" card for sympathy. wtf you're not trans you're a sissy using cross-dressing as a fetish and take advantage of the mostly-female communities, and then threaten members of your community, and make a complete ass of yourself.

>i find cross dressers and trans people sexy
what the fuck those are not the same things AT ALL

gotta love how he identifies as "female" but literally understands nothing about being trans.

do not conflate your fucked up experiences of harassing, degrading, and mocking women to those of actual trans people who have shitty lives because of their actual identities. what the fuck. fuck you Melissa.

I really hope this booting of Melissa goes well and that the Dutch comm can take inspiration from this to boot our own Melissa-lookalike (and his creepy friends). Why is it okay to make an entire community feel unsafe and uncomfortable to spare one man's feelings?

All this stuff about MB has me thinking... Obviously MB wasn't very good at hiding his creep level. But for every outspoken creep, I feel like there are secret creeps. Since a lot more people are traveling between comms, I would like to know some other comm's creeps so I can avoid them.

>TX, FL, ATL warnings would be appreciated.
>Hoping I haven't heard of any because there aren't any, rather than some that are under the radar.

>>7877882
>I can't be a murderer! My big sis has friends who are living

Is this really fucking necessary?

Did Melissa say something about being 35 somehwere? Cause if they're 35. . .goddamn they look closer to 50

>>7878242
What's wrong with it? I like the idea to avoid Melissa popping up at New People every 4th Friday of the month.

>>7877800
which comm are you in?

>>7878236
because he's just ~misunderstood~, anon

Meanwhile in the Savannah comm rules...

>>7878264
It's all the fault of those brandwhores who force him to only approach underage girls. Not too mention them looking up his skirt and asking to see his bra, only for them to complain about it! And he'd definitely wouldn't be so misunderstood if those underage girls would stop putting his hands on their body.

>>7878300
My comm also has rules for guys, and has moderated membership. It sucks that we feel the need to have to have precautions like that, but after watching all the SF stuff go down, I'm glad we do have them. I might even ask the mods to make them even more clear.

>>7878321
underage girls put his hands on them

>>7878326
Let me explain. Our comms creepy brolita is way too handsy with the young members of our comm. At first he claimed that he would never touch them and would even stand like a log next to them while posing for photo's, so he didn't know where the accusations came from. Then people pointed out that there were many photos of him holding the girls closely, picking them up, or putting his hands on their waist or hips. He then changed his story by claiming that the girls all specifically asked for him to pose like that, so putting his hands on their waist was by their requests. He basically blamed a 14 year old for making him put his hands on her waist, as if he isn't an adult that could very easily say no.

>>7878323
Anon chan you from the cfl group?

>>7878362
What comm are you from? Cause other of god hes ass needs to go. Girls that age aren't really gonna say anything cause they don't wanna seem annoying

>>7878300
Oh wow I've never seen another Savannah lolita post on here. Are you active in the comm? They seem pretty dead.

>>7878386
I want to visit Savannah comm. you guys have SCAD, so I expect really epic co-ords!

I legitimately think c wants to start something with the sf comm (capped from responses to c's apology).
Tiferet seems to be the only one willing to call her out on shit though. For once, rooting for her.

>>7878236
Can someone tell me what he did exactly? Lolitas always mention that he is creepy, but they do not tell exactly why. Has he done other things than showing his bra/underclothes? Why do so many lolitas avoid him?

>>7878373

That's the Dutch comm's creepy brolita. Dude even looks like SF brolita.

>>7878362
But hey we're just meanies and aids heads anyway

>>7878300
Lifted word for word from the rules of the Chicago comm.

>>7878406
Dude, having a grown man showing off his underwear just like that IS creepy. Hell, it would be weird and creepy even if it was a girl

>>7878408
I don't really see the problem with using the same exact words as them. It should really be in every comm. No one should be made to feel uncomfortable cause someone may want to jack off in there dress.

>>7878407
Give his ass the boot.

Also post pics?

>>7878406
Anon, showing underwear is reason enough to find him creepy. Especially when it's grown ass man showing it to underage members.

>>7878413
Of course it's creepy when a grown up man does things like that. I just wanted to know if other things happened. It would be horrible when something terrible happens to one of the (younger) members.

>>7878400
THIS

>>7878420
That shocks me, I always thought it was one incident. I feel bad for the lolitas who are involved with this. Did it happen more often?

I sort of want a reality show ala Big Brother starring all these weirdos and drama-queens.

>Creepy dudes are made to fight over the only dress in the house that fits their size.
>They must learn to act like decent people in public. Every time they mess up, an item of their fetish is taken away and burned.
>They have to record their though processes behind the weird shit they do... for science to understand.
>PT is surprise houseguest.
>Everyone that is disliked by the community is forced to join them.
>Brolitajenny, Dutchbro, Colleen/Collin, Phil, John from HLC, etc...

I'd watch it.

>>7878431
Definitely. I witnessed one account myself (and no the girl did not ask for it), and two other girls have told me about it happening to them. Neither of them have any reason to lie about it, and I have no reason not to trust them (especially because I had witnessed it myself earlier).

>>7878185
There are other trans people in the comm who have not been banned and nobody has issues with them.

>>7878400
Well not everyone who lives in Savannah goes to SCAD. There's like 4 other colleges in the city or around the city.
The comm doesn't seem that big anyway and only a few of the people who are in it seem to go to SCAD. A lot of them seem to have already graduated and moved away.

>>7878431
Even if it was just "one" incident, its uncalled for.


>>7878447
I would watch anything with the queen being a house guest.


Also people need to get over hurting someones feel and call them out on their shit.

>>7878300
>>7878373
>>7878386
Savannah had a visiting male lolita from time to time. He's moved to Hawaii now.

>>7878449
This is bad. He shows underwear when more people are watching out of the blue? And are these are all underage girls?

>>7878457
Was it that ugly asian dude who hung out with dillion?

>>7878462
Don't know really. Here's a photo of him recently.

>>7878414
Different anon than the one you are replying to, but I'm also in the Chicago comm so I found it odd. The rule is a good one but it's weird they had to use someone else's wording. Our resident older brolita thankfully does not cause problems and has the self-awareness to try to avoid making people uncomfortable.

>>7878466
Thats him.
I don't get why these men think they can act like such assholes.

>>7878371
Nah, one of the SoCal groups.

>>7878468
Yeah they could have made it a bit more personal, or to fit that exact comm.

>>7878485
I think some of them feel that they are dressing like a woman so they get to act like a bitch and just be rude with out people calling them in their shit.(I know not all brolitas are like this and I have meet some really great ones but they aren't assholes to being with.)

Among all this sissy and brolita drama, who from the upstate NY comm remembers that married with kids sissy that the mods let into the group? He was obviously a sissy and everyone was forced to accept him with his over sized little girl sundresses because "if he was attractive, young, and didn't have kids, you guys would've accepted him with open arms, lol" His LJ name was along the lines of prisslittlegirl or something like that.

>>7878460
No, only one of them was. When I witnessed it I was walking just passing by. He told her he was wearing a bra that day and just showed her and asked what she thought of it. They were not previously talking about it. It was also the first time they met. It was really weird.

>>7878485
He was an asshole? Give me the deets.

>>7878489
David/Devon/Yuuki/Akira is a classic example. Great lolita, but has a shitty attitude.

>>7878500
>David/Devon/Yuuki/Akira
Is this the Asian dude that moved to Japan that always says "you jelly?" or "I'm proud to be a bitch lolololol!"

>>7878513
Akira's attitude changed a lot since an incident a couple of months ago after another lolita who has left lolita made a bunch of degrading secrets about him. He doesn't talk on Twitter or post on Tumblr that much anymore.

>>7878526
What kind of things did she say? I'm curious.

>>7878526
Good people need to be put in their place when they act like that.

>>7878532
There were like 5-6 secrets in a row posted on BTB a few months ago. She called him an asshole for Cosmic Sailor, used the #yesallwomen tag on Cosmic Sailor, told him that he can't wear dresses cause he's male, accused him of racism, call him a prostitute, and ought to be deported from Japan.

>>7878535
But it wasn't his fault. It was a girl with a terrible attitude about getting butthurt that Cosmic Sailor wouldn't fit her.

>>7878454
I know. Most moved away. I kinda wanna join but I can never find. I was hoping to restate Lolita.

>>7878242
There's already a new event page with a new date/time that she personally invited people to. It's so MB doesn't try and crash our monthly meets.

>>7878492
It wasn't upstate NY but this guy?
http://getoffegl.livejournal.com/373236.html

I googled the name and found a photobucket with pic related and now I really want to know what the deal with this person is.

>>7878576
That's ugly as fuck did dolldelight make that shit?

And why is it that some of the sissy/brolitas that are in it go to her for such shitty dresses?

>>7878541
But his attitude overall has always been shitty.

>>7878586
The guy made it for himself. Here's where he was begging egl for acceptance and everyone welcomed him:
http://egl.livejournal.com/13988770.html

>>7878595
Im all for a guy who can sew but that fucking fabric god.

>>7878602
I think what anon was trying to say is that this guy was an obvious sissy/ageplayer and managed to wedge himself in with his cupcake fabric dresses.

>>7878468
mainly at anime cons, but the chicago comm has had some posters of sissies in the past who haven't become problematic but were working on it.
in addition to that one guy back in the day that came to a meetup in grant park and kept trying to touch everyone

>>7878544
There's a meet coming up on Sunday, check savannah lolitas on facebook

>>7878242
MB basically messaged her saying he intended to keep going, so yes

>>7878635
I've twice been at Acen where some sissies were hovering on the fringes of the meet & greet and the older brolita I'm referring coralled them away from the rest of us. I also was in a lolita panel where one particularly creepy sissy/crossdresser (is always at Acen being a sperg, wears a sort of nun lolita outfit and stripper heels) wouldn't stop interrupting the panelist and this brolita went over and asked him to leave. The same person does not join in group photos unless one of us motions them in, and does not really come to meets, just conventions. I've talked to them and they are definitely a lolita, not a sissy (I asked), wears brand when they can fit into it, but is aware that being older and tall and thus more obviously male, can't really pass in the way that a younger brolita might.

>>7878713
Rereading this is really awkwardly written because I have heard conflicting info about which pronouns that brolita prefers and I don't want to say the wrong one.

>>7878708
Wait if he was kicked out why are they still letting him go to meets?

>>7878715
If its a brolita its still a dude that just likes the fashion.
A trans "female" wouldn't be a brolita they would just be a lolita cause they are female.

>>7878719
They're not. He made a post saying he intended to keep going to meets. Something like, "I'm not leaving until I want to"

>>7878748
Ugh..... Anyway here's more on MB

>>7878780
Hahahaha not buying shit from him

>>7878780
That shits just gonna sit in his closet.
Someone tell him to give it to good will.

>>7878721
That's the thing, I've heard that person refer to themself as a brolita and they have a male name on facebook but I've heard other people use female pronouns for them and said they have a female name that they use. They seem pretty chilled out so I will probably just politely ask next time I see them

>>7878797
Maybe they're gender fluid, anon. I know it sounds tumblr-y as fuck but yeah, best to ask them.

>>7878748
Shit that's scary,

>>7878801
What if he goes apeshit and murders someone?

>>7878800
Or not, because clearly the answer will be whatever they think garners the most sympathy. They've already shown they don't know anything about trans language.

>>7878806
Sorry, I thought this was about MB! My bad

>>7878796
It's really gross to think about those clothes touching someone else's body. Burn it

Full context, so it's clear that this wasn't about MB not being "20's and born female"

>>7878833

Why do people even care what MB tells their friends? SF comm cares about advertising and PR that deeply?

>>7878238
No we are not becoming this.
MB is not going to make us into some Salem-style community, full of accusations and fearmongering.

I am so sorry that it made this seem like it was a case of transphobia. I myself have never seen anything on CGL relating to this person that was remotely transphobic. On the contrary people have been very clear that they do not want to be seen as transphobic and are toeing a line because they are worried they will come off as such.

As for the participants of the petition, only 8 of 34 are outside of the USA. The majority seem to be coming from California, Texas and Arizona.

>>7878873
Playing the devil's advocate, you cannot eliminate transphobia just by clearly stating "it's not transphobic".

>>7877874
Actual MtF here
I used to like the idea of being a sissy and forced fem and stuff, but only sexually. It ended up developing into a deeper part of my personality, where I just liked the idea of being feminine in general. I always kind of was, anyway. Now, I don't really think about sissy stuff mostly because I consider myself a female now. So I can see why a trans woman would be into sissy stuff but I think if you're actually trans you kind of grow out of it, because yeah, to be a sissy you have to be a male, and transwomen are women, not men. Just my 2 cents.

Also, I doubt this person is trans because they're so old, clearly a sissy fetishist/ageplay fetishist, and obviously not on hormones. SRS is irrelevant, I dont wan't SRS at all, my dysphoria stems entirely from secondary sex characteristics. If I had the money to spend, I would definitely get FFS without even considering SRS. In their case, I'd also definitely want FFS rather than SRS too because he has no hope of passing as a woman without it.

>>7878895
Different anon, and while I agree with you, transphobia doesn't come into it with Melissa. As others have mentioned, there are other trans members in the SF comm that people are not upset about. If that was the reason they decided to ban MB, as opposed to the laundry list of other reasons, those other members would be gone as well.

MB is just using the "I'm trans! Really!" defense after being cornered. The screencaps show pretty clear evidence on that front.

I'm going to be visiting New York in December 27~ish not sure yet, staying for a week or so.
Any NY lolitas here? I joined the facebook group but I'm kind of intimidated to ask about meets and stuff.

>>7878843
Because he could damage the comm's reputation by spreading lies about why he got banned from the group.

>>7878923
See second part of >>7878216

>>7878917
If you're talking about NYC, the main comm is batshit crazy. I would stick with some of the seagull lolitas. I met a few and they're all pretty chill.

>>7878873
>not transphobic
>people deliberately use wrong pronouns, call her a "thing" in one post
Ok

Someone said that Melissa had been writing erotic fiction based on lolita meetups and posting it to sissy/fetish groups. Does anyone have proof of this? We could use more evidence since now he's backpedaling and saying he keeps lolita and sissy separate.

>>7878923
So what if he does? Some people on the internet would think some community is somewhat transphobic, big deal. You hang out on the same imageboard with with /polgbt/, that embodies all -isms and -phobias you can possibly think of, but that doesn't seem to bother you, does it?

>>7878923
He's not smart enough to make secrets on BTB. I can't see him fighting back.

>>7878927
>If you're talking about NYC, the main comm is batshit crazy.
Y-yeah I heard about that before. I guess I'll keep an eye out in contact threads
I just wanted to visit Baby and have tea or something.

>>7878925
>>7878941
>You hang out on the same imageboard with with /polgbt/, that embodies all -isms and -phobias you can possibly think of, but that doesn't seem to bother you, does it?

This would be fine and dandy except for the fact you're comparing entirely two separate things.
First off, because we're not talking about an online community. The events that led to him being banned happened in real life, not in some chinese cartoon image board where everyone can spout whatever the fuck they want and it goes unnoticed because it's not taken seriously and it will never be. The people in those boards are next to irrelevant in real life issues besides the "we're nonimoos we're legun XDDDD" shit they like to pull sometimes.

This kind of shit could compromise the interest of new members who might get the wrong idea of the comm if someone like him gets to them.
It'd cause them to avoid the comm out of fear of being discriminated against for being trans or for having kinks. Just look at that Chanel chick trying to be all about rainbows and ponies and forgiveness, and she is already part of the comm.

So, while some of those people might be better off not joining because they could actually be toxic, there's others who might actually listen to the wrong kind of people and end up forming an entirely wrong impression of the community.

Two completely different levels if you think about it.

>>7878928
That did bother me a bit, too. Could have at least used the pronoun "they" like done other people have. MB probably isn't trans, but they are still a person. A horrible person. Humans should never be called "it", not even Hitler, because that dehumanizes them, and thus makes people forget that all humans are capable of being incredibly evil.

And that's what this discussion is all about, isn't it? It's not about MB's gender or orientation or kinks. It's that they threatened violence against other comm members, said racist things, and overall has acted like a horrible human being. THAT is why they got banned.

>>7877748
oh man, i really can't see melissa brown's name or teddy robinson's either. the scribble was perfectly done.

>>7878964
*some other people, not done other people

>>7878964
I think it'd be better if we referred to MB as "them" from now on because seeing "her" and "him" getting mixed so frequently is confusing me.

>>7878950
Hey, anon! Feel free to drop me an email. I'll help you out. I promise I'm not crazy.

>>7878985
Sure thing, sending after I post this!

>>7878980
>it

>>7878238
ATL Lolita here.
We have our fair share of drama, but I'm proud to say that we don't have any creeps!

>>7878404
I don't really think she's necessarily trying to start something. She doesn't seem mean just...really fucking stupid. Like this girl really needs to find some common sense and fast.

>>7878404
Holy fuck CH is dumb.

>>7878805
That's what people are worried about. He's a gun but, after all.

>>7877663
are there any coms in Pennsylvania?

>>7878833
>comparing banning sissies to banning gays from sports meets

What a fucking bitch

>>7879085
Philly and Pittsburgh are the only ones I know of...

>>7879067
yeah but we DID have littlesebastien (spelling?) who was just as awful in her own way.

>>7879227
Yeah, that was a bit before I really got into the comm. As far as I remember, they were just full of drama and not a pervert, right?

>>7879258
She also threatened people with physical violence and wrote very verbally abusive wall of text PMs to several of the members of the comm who were under the age of 18. All while she has her own 10 year old daughter so you'd think she'd understand how freaked out a 14 year old might be that a 30 something year old grown woman was screaming at them online. She always claims she was the victim of us bullying HER though.

>>7878952
Just like a lot of people would not join 4chan or BTB for their reputation of being hateful. Or a lot of people would not join all sorts of social justice movements because of the reputation tumblr and srs gives to them. And a lot of people won't join anime communities for their reputation of otaku neckbeards.
That happens, nothing to freak out about.

>>7878800
>>7878806
Different anon, I have actually asked her because I wanted to be using the right words. She is genderfluid, prefers female pronouns when in Lolita, but is cool with male pronouns/being called a brolita as well because she realizes she isn't really passing (she is tall, stocky, and older, so it's fairly obvious she was not born female). She uses a male name on Facebook because she has a teenage child for whom she does not want to cause undue embarrassment. She is very un-Tumblr about it: very easy going and quiet.

Anyone from the Vegas comm here? It seems quite, but I don't know what to expect at the meetup this weekend.

>>7879077
Oh god no. I'm scared to come to meetups now.

>>7879341
Does this person's male name begin with a B?

>>7879287
Haha damn. I'm glad they got banned. Sounds like she had some serious mental issues.

>>7879377
Yeah me too. I can see it now, "Mass Shooting Over Japanese Frilly Frocks".

>>7877663

Wow.... P's comment on K's status about MB.

the regimental combat team?
why did he include the people that he looks up to?
it's said in a wishy washy way -__-

>>7877663

P's comments on K's status about MB- discuss.

I don't like the way that he name dropped a regiment in a discussion about a community event. it seemed strange

>>7879415
Screenshot? I do t know who K is.

>>7879422
Tiferet

>>7879404
god that's so fucking scary. can't you guys go to the police or something? its especially weird that after being banned he wants to go to meets when no body wants him there

>>7879437
If only you could get a restraining order on the basis of someone just creeping you out.

>>7877832
wait.. wait.. so his friend took a shit in BABY's dressing room !?

>>7879448
Nooo, I think he was whispering to himself about what panties he was going to wear in the dressing room or something. And then tried to give the girls working there footrubs or something

>>7879404
How likely is it tho?

>>7879458
Not very, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Melissa is clearly mentally unstable, they are angry, and they have a gun. Doesn't sound like any kind of situation that I want to be in.

>>7879463
He has made allusions to wanting to shoot people before.

>>7879466
Oh shit, really?
Then fuck no I'm not going to any meets.

>>7879480
Yeah. He's probably going to go psycho. He's said some scary shit to me.

>>7879505
What did he say?

>>7879509
That some day he's going to kill himself "or someone else." And he used to talk to me a lot about shootings.

>>7879440
i mean if he's allready made threats against you, and he was booted for his behavior, and he wants to ignore that and go to meets regardless, isn't that like harassment or anything? Ya'll said to go away and he doesn't plan to. Especially if him and his friends are so chill with solving things with violence, and publicly stating it for all to see.

>>7879514
please go to the police. i'm not even in your comm and that's fucking scary. get him thrown in a padded room before he fucking hurts anybody

>>7879422
>>7879415

Only screencapped K and P's comments

>>7879530
you can kinda see the names, just letting you know.
I think there's more comments tho

>>7879527
He made a lot of remarks about how Elliot Rodger was 'just pushed too far' and how it could easily happen to him.
I cant go to the police in case he comes after me.

>>7879530
I really want to applaud Tiferet for calling out on Phil's, MB's, and Chanel's bullshit.

>>7879541
Hoooly shit, he partially sympathizes with a misogynist who hated women so much he shot a sorority he didn't even know?

Anybody who has already come forward about MP's behavior, contact the police. The police may or may not laugh at you, but at minimum there would be police reports. If MP keeps on showing up and trying to scare you guys at meets, report again.

>>7879451
>>7879448
No the worker was having foot issues. He used to be a padiatrist(sp) but had his license taken. When he found out, he checked the worker's foot(to her discomfort) and then bought her insoles.

>>7879583
Melissa hates women. He's spoken about his fantasies of having women dress him up and belittle him but then 'breaking free' and killing them.
I'd post caps of it but he'd know exactly who I am then. I'm taking this to the police tomorrow.

>>7879615
Are you really? That's awesome. Kudos to you, anon.

>>7879615
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-ac87-6n3I

>>7879541
What the fuck. Seriously, go to the police. Take screencaps if it was something he said online.

>>7879587
Stop confusing people. Were talking about James, MB's sissy friend who was talking about his panties while there were women and children around and saying lolita fashion was for sissies even after the shop girls said it wasn't.

You're referring to Phil who stalked another shop girl a few years ago and grabbed her feet after finding out from her FB status that her running shoes were hurting her feet.

>>7879583
Please do! I want my sister communities safe!

>>7879404
Unless they just randomly pull out a gun without any prior warning, and start shooting from a long distance, there's very little they can do with a gun against a crowd. It's impossible to pull out a gun from a purse without being hit in the head by others like five times.

>>7879619
Actually melissa.

>>7879616
I am. You girls need this shit on file if you're going to need to report him sometime.

>>7879629
Oh I thought Phil was the only one of MB's male friends who were causing extra drama. My bad

>>7879636
He's never said anything to me, honestly. I'm thinking about PMing him just for the lulz but I don't want to involve myself if I don't have to.

>>7879583
>>>>tumblr

>>7879619
Thanks for the nightmare fuel anon. Fuck I hope something is done before something terrible happens to anybody

>>7879631
what?

>>7879619
IT LOOKS LIKE HIM AND ALL

>>7879633
Silence of The Lambs is one of my favorite movies and just by reading that post I got reminded of Buffalo Bill.

>>7879530
*drops mic*

As someone in MB's community who had complaints about their behavior, I am legit fucking terrified right now. A gun-carrying misogynist with a history of violent outbursts and a score to settle fucking knows where I live and work! MB knows those things about other comm members as well. I already have anxiety issues but they are through the roof right now.

>>7879639
It's okay I wanted to avoid any confusion in case Phil gets wrongfully labeled (he's a creep and should be banned but for the right reasons)

>>7879655
Same. I am utterly terrified of what he might do.

>>7879647
Guns are useless in short range. Especially if the shooter is one of those conservative snowflakes who think that they are sold together with shooting skills.

>>7879660
But melissa could still do some damage.

The fact that MB says he is going to (try) selling his lolita clothes since he was kicked out helps me sleep better at night but honestly I'm scared for our comm's safety too.

>>7879664
You really should be. He's been saying some creepy stuff.

>>7879665
Anything new? Wonder if that anon will file a report.

>>7879669
Yes, I'm going to. As of the present, he thinks I'm his friend, so I can't out myself yet.
He's been talking about how he would wants to hurt the 'dumb whores' that chased him out of 'his comm.'

>>7879665
that new guy on MB's facebook (the one that's been commenting about how hes MB's daddy) makes me really concerned for girls' safety online as well. he's going into photos from our comm meets and tagging himself in sweet lolita pics...

if randoms can see these pictures and freely tag themselves in them as wank fodder for later... i just feel so sick thinking about it

>>7879670
I'm wondering, does Melissa check on 4chan?

>>7879674
Probably not, otherwise he'd be flipping a shit about the things that we're saying.

>>7879677
I'm wondering because I went to stalk on his facebook [lol] and I saw a pic of screencaps from /cgl/ of people talking about him, so yeah.

>>7879672
Oh Jesus I know what you mean.

>>7879672
Wasn't he saying Melissa is his big sis before? What a fucking creep.

>>7879670
Shit, like, actually hurt? I thought he was going to throw a bitchfit, not plan another fucking mass shooter manifesto. Please stay safe, anon!

>>7879678
That's weird because I don't see anything at all. I guess he's got me blocked from seeing some of his statuses? Which is weird because I've never done anything to them. Screencaps of the screencaps, anon?

>>7879672
He is? Holy hell, that guy is disturbing. Pic related.

>>7879678
Probably someone else showed him. The amount he gets talked about here and on btb is neverending, and judging from his posting style, if he actually knew about it we would never hear the end of it.

>>7879688
Sure thing, anon

So going through his FB, I am REALLY CONCERNED that this guys has a pet cat. I am really worried for that cat.

>>7879696
I'm worried for everyone, man - that cat, the members of that comm, especially the girl he initially threatened, and the mods who banned him...

>>7879695
Oh, THAT rant. I thought you meant one pertaining to this week's events. Thanks, anon.

>Abercromby and Fitch are suing THEM for copyright infringement

I kek every time.

>>7879688
more than disturbing, pic related is what MB's new daddy has been "tagged in", aka he probably tagged himself. they've all been done in the last 1-2 days, and it includes mb's photos (most with posted comments like "wear this for daddy" or "so sexy"), and some girls in sweet lolita from old meet ups. the rest is nasty foot fetish photos and ageplay/crossdressers. he's been tagging mb in frillly ageplay socks and asking if s/he will wear them.

i know our photos from meets could probably be seen by randoms (which I think is fine) but if fucking creeps like MB's friends can see them i don't know what to expect

>>7877694
Oh hey, someone brought some gin back to my workplace after visiting that brewery and it's great.

>>7879702
Ugh, that's disgusting and just downright creepy. I feel bad for the other girl that got tagged. She's so pretty and Melissa's "daddy" is probably fapping to her right now. Why can't the creepy fetishists stay away from us? We just want to look cute and have fun.

>>7879701
Oh good, good.
I was starting to get worried. I'm not even in the comm nor have him friended so I thought the worst, especially with what's been happening.

Damn, even Lynda is saying something.

>>7879718
>trolling for the lulz

Honestly though, I'm glad she's saying something.

>>7879670
Does it sound like he saw the thread in the facebook group? I'm worried for the safety of the people who spoke out.

Jfc you creepy fucker

>>7879721
Knowing CH and her "*~forgiveness~*" she probably capped it or told him the general contents.

>>7879722
fuuuuuuuuuuck no why wont mb quietly leave and stop spawning these creepy fucks

>>7879718
DAMN if Lynda thinks it's bad, it's bad

And this lady has also threatened people with guns before

>>7879722
but psh anon he's so not a sissy.
don't you see? stop being so transphobic

>>7879727
Lol Lynda is a bit nutty but I like her. She's very pro gun rights, but she's also very pro gun safety. I've seen her Facebook rants about not putting your hand on the trigger for photos and stuff. She's into it, but she isn't fucking nuts like MB is.

>>7879728
lmao I really want to talk to him about that. why he uses male pronouns if he's transphobic. The way he posts, I'm honestly beginning to think that he has some kind of mental illness and feel bad for them.

>>7879722
Oh yeah sure he's not a sissy.
Ugh. Just. Ugh.

>>7879732
Everyone rants about trigger discipline.

>>7879732
In one of the screen caps he says something like "Because i'm a man and don't fit lolita" bruh I thought you were a woman? hmm hmmmmm??

>>7879722
SOMEONE MAKE THIS A SECRET

>>7879736
Well he more or less admitted it in a private conversation... then he went back and said he wasn't a sissy... and then he is a sissy...and then he isn't... all in one conversation.

>>7879739
YES EXACTLY. He contradicts himself all of the fucking time. He doesn't mind when people use male pronouns and he REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A MAN.

>>7879740
I'll do it.

>>7879744
Maybe I'm just too sleepy, but I think you might have misunderstood my intent at being sarcastic. 'Course it could be me being confused instead.
Either way, that first sentence was meant to be sarcastic what with him going back and forth in that message earlier in the thread. I know he's a sissy and has no idea how to cover his tracks or do damage control. He just grosses me out.

>>7878468
Does the Chicago comm have any creeps? There was one I met who I honestly couldn't tell was an older man or woman.

>>7879754
The midwest has a group of brolitas (possible sissy brolitas, with the horrible circle blush and shiny fetish boots) that makes the rounds of conventions and occasionally they stop in on meets outside of conventions. Most are nice enough, but I can understand why Chicago has that rule in place.

>>7879702
PLEASE SF GIRLS TELL YOUR MODS.

>>7879764
I just posted to the group.

>>7879721
I'm pretty sure he has. He's been talking about YuSha in particular, as well as Shaf and Chen.

>>7879722
Why aren't any of you addressing that quintuple chin.

>>7879771
Because then he'd actually have legitimate ammunition to say that people are picking on him unfairly.

>>7879770
That makes no sense, the admin isn't even in the community!

>>7879771
That ostrich head is the least of our concerns right now.

>>7879770
These are all people he would have separate problems with though. He knows what he did to Shaf and YuSha is probably the person who told him of the ban.

>>7879781
Perhaps he blames her for allowing his removal then? I don't pretend to know what he's thinking.

>>7879760
I guess I've been lucky enough not to meet them.

>>7879702
If your group is San Francisco Bay Area gothic and lolita EGL it is a closed group and I have no idea how this man found it, it isn't accessible to people who haven't been added.

>>7879770
Caps? What's he saying? I'm legit worried for them.

>>7879801
He's going through personal pictures of other lolitas, as far as I know. Or getting them from Melissa's profile. I'm not entirely sure how he found Melissa, though. He seemed to have just stumbled upon his status or something.

>>7879801
I think he's going through MB's pics and tagging stuff, which is why he can see stuff. People share things on their albums, not just on the group.

>>7879810
I checked out his profile and his fucking header is a pic of Melissa now.

>>7879670
Hi Anon, one of the mods here. Please post caps for us to see. This is some serious shit. Thank-you.

jeeze CH shitting up the most recent post

that CH girl needs to just shut up.. i haven't met most of these people yet as I've joined a few months ago but no time for meets and i can already tell who to avoid if i see them.

>>7879814
I know, I saw that. I was so creeped out. Calling him his daughter and stuff. I almost puked.

>>7879814
Eeee. Sounds obsessive. Do they even know each other?

>>7879831
No, he lives in New Jersey and they just met yesterday on his status, pic related. I'm not even sure how this creepy dude found the status to begin with. I mean I know it was public, but still.

>>7879825
In case you need to know what she looks like.

>>7879837
Is he molisser's boyfriend now?

>>7879839
M is his "daughter" in some fucked up role play shit. I don't even know what's going on.

>>7879838
I agree that she can't coord for shit, but her looks are irrelevant in this, aren't they?

>>7879814
link?

>>7879840
I'm assuming so people know to avoid her at meets. I sure as hell am

>>7879845
Fair enough.
Also loling that several of her profile pictures are badly shooped pics of her in Paris.

>>7879866

>>7879718
Although she's still BFF with Stalker Phil

>>7879866
That is just depressing.

>>7879868
and this takes the cake.

>>7879869
Yeah. That...really bothers me. I hope Phil eventually slips up so we can get him banned, too. Then we'll have a nice, creep free community!

>>7879872
I knew Chanel was a little off when I met her, but I didn't know she was this batshit.

>>7879872
Damn she's a potential lolcow on her own

>>7879873
Phil already has enough against him but he isn't in the facebook group so he can't really be banned. People in the SF com need to know what he did.

>>7879880
I almost feel bad for her. Almost.

>>7879882
True, it just needs to be a collective decision in the community to not allow him to come to meets. I've met him and apparently didn't "click" with him, because he only sometimes likes my statuses and he never began to stalk me, so I can say that I feel safe around him, personally. But that doesn't excuse what he did to the other girls.

On the other hand, Melissa is a violent, mentally unstable gun fanatic and those go hand in hand with disaster. I certainly don't feel safe with them around.

>>7879670
I smell a troll.

>>7878780
I honestly feel kinda bad for him. I find it impossible to hate people or feel glad that they're being made fun of even if they aren't a good person. In this case, I think he's just messed up. I don't know if there was a better way of dealing with him, actions have consequences, it's just kinda sad that he must be a really unstable dude and probably will never get help. Even though he's responding to all of this calmly I bet he feels like shit.

>>7879892
He reminds me of peecockfeather

>>7879892
I don't know that I'd consider threatening violence to be "responding to all of this calmly", anon.
I'll admit that they aren't going completely insane, but I think he's far from calm.

>>7879892
He has literally threatened physical violence to members of his community multiple times, and posted them on his public Facebook page. I don't necessarily consider that handling the situation calmly.

>>7879896
>>7879907
I didn't read very far into the thread until now. I don't feel that bad for him now, haha.

>>7879910
Yeah man. Once you get the full story behind Phil and Melissa, you don't feel very bad for them at all.

>>7879910
Read the fucking thread before post anon

>>7879695
>second screencap isn't even about him, but somebody completely unrelated
kek

New thead, everyone >>7879919

>>7879399
Yes

>>7879837
I actually find it kind of hilarious that MB basically has a creeper of his own now.

>>7879866
>>7879868
>>7879872
Girl has issues.

>>7878928
The problem is Melissa identifies as trans sometimes and as a male who enjoys dressing as a girl sometimes, usually based on which will best manipulate the situation. I use female pronouns on the very unlikly senario that maybe Melissa really is trans and just really f**ked up and not able to word things correctly to convey that idea consistently. Also don't want people thinking I'm some transphobic prick. Others use male pronouns because they're sure that Melissa is in fact a sissy loving man who is only pretending to be trans to get attention, sympathy and a way into the lolita community. I can understand either of those sides. I don't think it's ok to call someone a thing. Melissa is an awful person that has done awful things and if she truly feels like she is a she or a he, either way they are still a PERSON and not a thing.

>>7879437
"But officer, someone said something mean and scary to me on the internet but hasn't yet done anything to act on in"...yeah, I don't think that's going to fly. The only person that could file a restraining order at this point is Shaf. It is her choice and she should be allowed to make it based on what she feels is best for her and not because the local community or a bunch of strangers from all over the world would prefer it if she did.

>>7879639
Phil actually is not one of Melissa's friends. Phil is a creep with a past of inappropriate behavior but he didn't come to the community because of Melissa. The only reason Phil's issues have been brought up in Melissa's drama threads is because our community finally feels like maybe we can have an open dialogue about what has been going on now that we finally have actual mods for the first time ever. It is important to understand that the previous mod is not a lolita anymore, came to one meetup years ago but somehow NOBODY remembers ever meeting them and they really didn't care about the local community, never responded to previous issues when they were brought forward and would not allow anyone else to comod with them.

>>7879287
Wow, that sounds awful. It was before my time, too. I'm glad ATL is chill (about creepers). Since I've been here, I've only seen one person threaten violence and they left.

>>7879636
>>7879630
>>7879624
I'm so glad you are coming forward!! I'm not in SF, but I want you guys safe! I was in an incident where I should have gone to the police, and didn't, and I wish I had.
No matter how scary it is, you won't regret it!!

>>7879670
I noticed I had friends in common with him... I think I might know who you are. Keep up the good work!

>>7877852
Wait...... but his fetish is not the reason he was banned. He was banned because he threatened another person. There was a huge discussion on the com to make sure this scare was because of his gender/sexual preference and other personal interest or because of his aggression toward a member. We have other members who are are trans and/or into kinks.

>>7881865
MB was banned because he threaten someone, but she didn't bring it up till now. Hence why this shitstorm is happening now. MB basically came for the fetish/sissy since he doesn't know any of the brand names.

You join a Comm because you have advance knowledge of lolita fashion and want to wear it. You don't join a Comm just for force fem/sissy and then bring your other friends who are creeps who think lolita fashion is some sissy fetish.

All I have to say is, hold on to your frilly butts.