/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Well, I know SCA doesn't have much of a plot but I've agreed to help my good friend, Thegn Wolfesbana and his wife Seonag with lunch for Coronation, so that should be fun, hopefully not too stressful.

Other then that, I get to actually see a coronation, so that's exciting, I'm sitting feast for it too so my belly will be full by the end of the day and that's always good.

>>7833353
I never really understood what the whole SCA was about, is it fighting is it roleplaying? I get the whole anachronistic thing but where does it stop? Like to what extent?

>>7833357
It is fighting and recreating the arts and sciences of the times, on top of recreating the social procedures. It's basically a social club for people who want to act like it is still medieval times, yet forget all the shitty parts like plague or rampant, bloodthirsty politics.

I mean, there is still politics but no one gets killed because of it.

>>7833357
It's about recreating; which includes a fighting, and crafts, fiber arts, calligraphy and illustration, sewing, cooking, dancing, ect.

If it was done during or before the reign of Elizabeth I it's fair game.

For some they focus on the fighting aspect, others it's mostly a social thing, or a crafts, or research.

All of this is done within a framework of kingdoms, each with their own King and Queen. The kingdoms are then broken into smaller local groups, some headed by a baron and baroness.

The kingdoms and smaller local groups put on events throughout the year. These are social events that generally have contests, feasts, fighting tourneys, bardic singing, dancing, or battles.

It's basically historical/medieval 4-h on crack. It's terribly nerdy and amazingly wonderful.

>>7833378
>>7833383
Hmmmm interesting and how far back does it go say ancient Greece/Rome?

>>7833383
You say it better then I could.

How have things been for you lately, my lady? What sort of projects and the like are you working on?

>>7833388
I've seen people from that far back, from pictures of gladiators and Spartans I've seen floating about, to meeting Romans in my own kingdom. Also depending on the kingdom or the like, you may see people who a bit more on the fantasy side, we have a group in Ealdormere called The Barbarians, who make armour closer to things from Conan the barbarian then to anything historical, but they aren't obnoxious and play within the rules, so we deal with them... plus they are cool dudes.

>>7833396
Hmmmm interesting but in all the pictures i've seen it seems as if they have the same weapon, what kind of variation is there?

>>7833398
Well, There a few variations of weapons you can go with. First is the obvious sword and board, then dual swords, spear, polearm, axes, broadswords... I've also seen one weapon used by one of the barbarians, it was made to represent using an anchor as a weapon, he is allowed to use it so I assume as long as you stay within the rules you can do what you like.

>>7833406
would there be any curved weapons such as sabers, I doubt so as it seems as if the swords are made thick wood almost like bambo kendo sticks.

>>7833388
It does go that far back. Our current King of the East's persona is from the roman era.

The weapons tend to look similar because they are made from rattan, so are mostly pieces rattan of differing lengths and grips. Although I believe some people make axes, maces, ect. as well

>>7833389
Going well. I've been working a bit on a new dress and underskirt, but I haven't made too much progress. I got an inkle loom for my birthday and had help setting it up. I'm nearly done with what's been set up, so I'll have to figure it out myself soon.

Additionally I am trying to organize a demo at a local CSA/educational farm I'm involved with and it's making me a bit stressed!

You?

>>7833438
And as a bonus, here is a Thai SCA group's fighter practice I found when looking for Roman SCA info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYGy9YKMcVs

>>7833378
>no one gets killed because of it

Well thats no fun...

>>7833240
>Anything you're proud of!
One of my proudest thing is when I killed all the aliens in this country in Izgon 2, a worldwide pervasive immersionist-style SF/urban fantasy larp. It was played in several countries with 96 players from all around the world. Hungary had one prophet, five aliens and one hunter. I was that one hunter.
The whole game was a lot of fun because you didn't know a fuckton of things, you had to find out everything so there were a lot of disinformation, data mining, straight up lying, bribery and plain old stalking.
Since then some of the Croatians are convinced I'm a serial killer/stalker/rapist.

>>7834035
That sounds like crazy ARG territory... I want to play it...

>>7833447
What's roman about this? Neither of them are using roman weapons/armour/shields(besides the one dude in a muscled cuirass) or fighting styles.

>>7834038
Sadly there was technically only two Izgon, although they made a board game out of it IIRC. Also there is a Con next weekend here and we will bring a very simplified version to it so random congoers can play it.

Apart from that there were plans for another Izgon game in the future but the original maker has no time for it and doesn't inted to make any more Izgons. Me and another hungarian larpfag had the plans to make a spin-off of it but he doesn't have much time and I'm not sure that I can do it alone. Plus if I'm the organizer I shouldn't stalk the players so that's a huge drawback...

also you can read about it here, some people wrote reviews about it, mines there too
http://izgon.crolarper.com/izgon-2

>>7834048
correction, somehow the Izgon2 reviews are not there. If anyone interested I can dig them up

>>7834044
I don't know? My guess is that "it's Roman time" must be some sort of joke with that group. I didn't mean to imply the video was Roman in any way, more amused about a Thai sca group.

>>7833447

>Mandatory deplorable chink in my armour joke

>>7833425
Sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep. Generally, no, like you said the swords are made from a sort of wood, specifically rattan. Also the curve really wouldn't do much anyways in the context of SCA.

>>7833438
You're trying to organize a demo? Aren't you just as new to the SCA as I am? Just seems like it'd be something a newbie wouldn't think of doing.

Anyways, I'm mostly working on getting my armour together, I need to drill holes in my shield boss and gorget.

>>7834451
Yeah probably. I'm getting help from our Seneschal and it's going to be fairly low key. Our dance master is going to be leading some simple dancers and I hope to have atleast one pair of fighters present for a bout or two.

>>7834525
dance master? I didn't know that was a thing, then again my canton is literally on the edge of civilization, up where I live is just 'baronial lands'

Either way sounds like it could be fairly fun even if it is low key.

meanwhile did a little self check and realized most of my best moments I'm (kind of) proud of is mostly about how I bullshitted others, or stabbed them in the back or any kind of combination of that two. And most of those stories usually need a few background information otherwise it's not that interesting. Which in turn means it's usually not that interesting for the average people.

Also found the Izgon 2 reviews
http://izgon.crolarper.com/izgon-2/reviews

Ok so weird question. I know some LARPs have like an area to do up monsters and touch up non-humans makeup and all, but is there any that actually have makeup artists who come to it specifically just for doing everyone's stuff? I really like doing fantasy makeup and costuming and am professional, licensed, all that. I just can't get into the roleplay aspect myself though. Would LARPs actually want me to come help out with that, or would it be kind of unnecessary?

Larp thread...okay good

I'm okay with this.

>>7835159

You'd be more than welcome at the LARPs that encourage good outfitting.
I'm not sure you should expect getting paid more than a nominal fee, mind, most organizations aren't swimming in money, after all.

I do know some that get professional photographers, though, so if you can professionally do their make up, there might be very good advertising there.

There are literally dozens of LARPS around the world, seriously google the title "LARP" and you will find a ton. Each group has different standards and expectations and if you are interested contact them directly.

I know that some groups go all out with makeup and costuming so much that they only meet a few times a year. Others are less into the "RP" or "Flurb" craft aspect and are more into the fighting, it just depends on the group.

SCA is heavy into recreation and it has some quality people, but they tend to avoid fantasy or alternate timeline stuff.
Vampire- The Masquerade/ Camarilla groups are heavy into rp and tend to rent out areas to do their rp.

Seriously look online and google it and look up the histories of the various groups you find.

bomp

Regency themed Larp last weekend called Animatium. Was brilliant, had a fantasy element and was the first non-fest larp i've tried. Highly recommended.

>>7836113
Good Lord, DAT MECHA-SHIVA!

>>7836462
Nice!
Although poor show on a red-coat using a french carbine!

>>7836632
It wasn't mine in fairness as I didn't have time to get my hands on a Brown Bess!

Which I am still in the market for one if you know a source. Ideally one that can take caps!

I bought a Kentucky Rifle from here http://www.historical-firearms.co.uk/ many years ago. All you have to do it drill the pan, insert a metal rod that's slightly smaller than a cap and there you go. Also, there's 3 different "grades" of caps, red, yellow and gold. Red are your standard kids ones, yellow being more reliable and louder, and gold being better still. At least that was the case when I bought loads for an Iron Kingdoms LARP about 10 years ago or so.

>>7836467
that's Mark Cordory for you. He always makes awesome stuff. Then again he works/worked as a prop maker for movies

http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-1730-british-brown-bess-flintlock-musket.aspx

This looks quite good.

Want to try Victoriana next

>>7837498
Isn't that just reenactment?

Not that Reenactment isn't just cosplay for old men.

>>7837530
Animatium is not re-enactment as it has a fantasy element. VIctoriana is Steampunk iirc which is pretty much impossible re-enact because it is fiction!

>>7836462
>Regency themed Larp

Oh shit... I would do this in a heart beat.

c/d larp-compatible things in my closet
_ German linen riding breeches
_ Red velvet blazer
_ Canvas fishing vest with leather shoulders
_ Pirate shirt
does this an outfit make

>>7837631

Bumpos Threados

Got a story for you guys. To preface, me my and my mates have an ongoing joke where we pretend to be chimps/gorilla's/monkeys ect ect and generally chimp out

>3rd time playing larp
>know fuck all about anything in the system
>roll a character called Johnny Goatsmasher who has a phobia of goats
>We enter a field with a tavern nearby
>2 shifty looking dudes take my halfling friend and his body guard away.
>Me and 2 other mates follow, the shifty dudes don't notice
>we hide in bush
>knives come out and the halfling is threated or is about to be
>me and other guys leap out and smash the cunts
>we ask why they were targeted. They don't know, the robbers died too quick

later:
>our adventuring group encounters a bunch of rowdy peasents with makeshift weapons accusing us of enjoying our wealth stole from the poor and weak and they're going to get it back
>we agree with them and tell them we have experience in it
>we cut them down and slaughter them leaving them fleeing
>some adventurers chase them down and burn their village
>they come back victorious
>"Adventurers today we have succesfully and righteously slain the weak and poor in the name of justice!"
>we send NPC scouts to scouts ahead
>they come back
>"hold there scouts, who are you?"
>"we're your scouts"
>"have you proof?"
>"no, you payed us"
>"if you were payed, then how much did we pay you?"
>scouts get out weapons
>halfling comes up. "is this because I'm a halfling"
>"No we do not mind the shorter races"
>"Who are you calling short pal?! That's racist"
>"Listen there's a newly discovered island of riches, go there if you please. That's all we wanted to tell you"
>Scout players rage quit

Not much else happened during the adventuring apart from my nose and legs broke and got knocked out twice.

>>7837764
continuing

Monstering however:
>We were told to play villagers in a frontier style town spreading rumors of 2 native american style elf tribes; one with white make up, one with black and a magical mineral on the island
>we then play the indian elf guys. playing one tribe at a time attacking the adventurers. >Occasional gorilla sounds, the 2serious4u players are clearly annoyed at us
>Gorilla sounds intensify during attacks, gradually few other players join in

next encounter was supposed to be the 2 elf tribes at war, adventurers discover them and slay them down with a free for all happening and the elf's too far removed from society to be understood/allied with.
however:

>elf's fighting
>adventurers join in
>elf's mostly kill each other
>adventurers try casting a spell that let's them understand elf's language. it fails.
>they use a spell to understand the natural flow and ebb of nature
>it works, however they can only understand basic concepts the elves say. such as "hunt, eat, kill" ect ect
>adventurers give the no fully chimped out black painted elf's weapons and ally with them against the white ones.
>dm tells us that was not supposed to happen at all
>elf's retreat to sacred zone where they pay adventurers and opposing clans no heed and pray to figurehead elf
>elf's start chimping out in unison
>"Ogh ogh ogh ogh ogh"
>we repeat whatever head priest elf says
>the adventurers who can understand us slightly come over to the prayer site and ask the chieftain something
>dm says the wizard cannot understand the chimp priest properly and has to come closer
>gorilla grunts intensify. we are at maximum primate. all beating our chests in unison
>wizard gets closer
>"what does he say?"
>chieftain simply utters "sacrifice"
>we then all charge and rip him to shreds then go back to praying, each of us getting blessed with a mixture of the wizards remains and the sacred soil
>adventurers charge

>>7837781
>adventurers flee from our charge of rabid elf gorilla men
>it was banana's
>we go back to fighting. it was no longer larp. this was now gorilla warfare the likes that have never been seen on this middle-earth

TL:DR:
cowboys vs indians themed island turns into planet of the apes, king kong style human sacrifice and a complete derailment of the plot

>>7836467
The game is is wales and called mythlore, I'm surprised you've not heard of it. http://mythlorenewlands.com/
It's like a middle-eastern dumnonni.

>>7837785
I wanted it to end with a hoard of goatmen, then you finding out you were actually half goatman the whole time...

>>7835777
I did not actually think I'd be paid at all to be honest. It would just be a great thing to experiment with, test out durability and techniques, and build up a decent portfolio. Better than spending every weekend trying to talk my friends into sitting for latex applications and photos.

>>7838196

Morning bumpos

>>7836462
>Regency themed LARP with fantasy elements
T-this is my fetish

marginally fun fact: I will go to a boffertag game staurday, apperantly with these people

>>7838729
>people

>>7838748
well there is at least one mentally challanged guy among them, the one with the shield. He is the guy who wanted to headbutt my helmet for reasons unknown.
But they are mostly just young and doesn't know better. We just go there to see if there is anyone who can be salvaged

>>7838757
I hope you mean the one on the left and not the right, because that guy on the right is the only one who's remotely normal looking.

>>7838765
it's the guy on the right. He one time walked up to me and said he REALLY wants to headbutt my helmet.
I looked like this at the time

>>7833438
>Our current King of the East's persona is from the roman era.
>king
>Roman

Confirmed for bad at being Roman.

>>7838038
I have heard of it, but these are the first in game pics i've seen. A mate refs for it. It does look rather good.

>>7838783
>King
>Roman

Get out

>>7833438
>King
>Roman

Get Out

>>7838767

>>7838845
that was from last year, since then I seriously changed my costume. But case in point is that my old helmet is not something you want to headbutt. In fact you should headbutt any helmets. at all. Especially pointy ones. And especially don't say it out loud that you want to. Because then the other guy will headbutt as a countermeasure.
Seriously, that guy is retarded and it wasn't his only act of stupidity.

But related to the headbutting: one of my friends once was on a larp and get in an argument whit another guy because my friend won a fight against him. It was after several drinks so the other guy wasn't exactly thirsty and came up with the brilliant idea that he should show everyone how awesome he is but challenging my friend to a headbutting competition. My friend said okay but on the condition that he starts.
Long story short: my friend broke the nose of the guy and "won" this little competition

>>7838783
Chalk it up to me being imprecise. Commonly that position is referred to as king, his actual title is emperor. It's changed to match the royalties persona I believe.

I guess I should try to be a bit more pedantic huh?

>>7834542
I don't think that it's an official position or how wide spread the term is. It's generally used for someone leading dancing at an event or teaching dancing.

>>7836462
>>7837498
This looks great! A reason to make a regency gown? Yes please! Plus those early 18th century coats! Swoon!

>>7837631
Not particularly. Although I'm having trouble imagining the vest. Pictures? What era of style are you going for?

>>7839202
The title used can be King/Queen or persona equivalent if they prefer. General structure of hierarchy is by default centered around British/English terms.

In some cases I've seen it as both, I've seen people officially called baron/baronness, but they personally refer to themselves as thegn.

>>7839219
Whoops forgot my name.

In other news, I had a thought, a bit silly but uh, maybe us SCA folks on 4chan should find a way to tell each other we are regulars on larpthreads, my vote goes to a banner, either cock and swallow or something else.

>>7837498
>>7839202

You folks got this all wrong, it's not Victorian it is Second Empire.

Wait a minute...i'm canadian.

>>7839222
one day, i will into SCA.

>>7838783
>>7838830
random passer-by here, not too sure what you guys are implying. is it a larp thing? or just that too little is known about the roman kingdom to depict it accurately?

>>7839416
What are you waiting for?

Anonymous
09/22/14(Mon)00:58:40 No.7833425
>>7833406 #
would there be any curved weapons such as sabers, I doubt so as it seems as if the swords are made thick wood almost like bambo kendo sticks.
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Actually, some fighters use curbed weapons. Rattan isn't that hard to curve with steam, and I've seen katana, no dachi and sabers on the field.

>>7839484
After the creation of the republic the Romans hated the idea of kings to the point where the title of emperor is invented specifically so they don't call themselves kings.

And to be honest, no one is ever talking about the kingdom because everyone has the lorica segmentata wearing legionaires of the empire in their head as Rome.

>>7839707
GAUL INVASION!

>>7839794

>>7839798
That mix of Greek and Roman is very interesting

>>7839798
>Gaul
>wearing two manicae and pteruges

>>7833357
We're a pre 17thC history based social club where we fight, recreate arts and science, learn and share education with others as a not-for-profit education organization. We don't play roles. Many people choose a "persona" that is a rough period of history and culture that they focus on, and may take a name that reflects that (Ralph is a shitty name for a centurion for example). There is no plot, and titles are awards of recognition (laurels for arts/sci, knights for armoured combat etc) or internal political titles (the king is the year-long multi-state president by combat).

>>7833398
Axes, maces, pole hammers, warhammers, spears, polearms, javelins, throwing axes... Pic related. Vulcanized rubber weapon heads are commercially available, and mean as fuck.

>>7833388
You can find individual groups doing ANYTHING pre 17thC. I was with a bronze age group for years, but post roman is more common.

>>7833425
Rattan is not like bamboo at all. It is a dense, fiberous grass batton with enough flex to not serrious maim through armour. We hit hard, and 90% of the BotN team for the US is high-end SCA combatants.

>>7839798
Should have made longer shoulder flaps

>>7834044
The Thai group is still fairly young (not even a decade old), and has very little resources to be as good as the US and Euro branches. Don't let this paint a picture.

Pic is some better roman equipment.

>>7839829
i'm not the guy

When i did a battle with them i had no armor , only my clothes , my helmet a shield and small sword with javelins...and i am a beast with javelins

My Gaul name was ... Partymix huhu
Sadly there was no photo of that

>>7839830
I guess I'll dump some non medieval euro SCA kits.

>>7839836
>Partymix huhu
HA!

>>7839836
Oh okay well do you have other pics of the event?

>>7839838
I also am going to our big hunt-themed event "Bacon Wars" this weekend. Winner of the event gets the area code of Smithfield VA (home of smithfield hams) as their territory for the year!

>>7839838
All the gaul's name at bico are play on words like that .
most of them are in french tho.

''Im not dirty, i'm party flavored'' - Montmagny Anno domini 1014

>>7839841
do i? , well yes i do

>>7839838
Those pteruges look very floppy, that person should have made them thicker

>>7839847

>>7839847
As their territory? What does that even entail?

Also I said it a few times, but I'm going to Coronation this weekend, so excite.

>>7839852
I have seen it in person. Its four layers of canvas weight linen quilted together. If they were stiffer, it would get in the way.

>>7839857
Well, the local smithfield processing plant donates whole, prepped hogs to us... Winner has exclusive access to them for use in event feasts for the year!

>>7839860
Best of luck to you then, as you seem to love your pork.

>>7839858
I've seen people with just one row of pteruges with 18 layers of linen that are stiff but don't get in the way. That would be that way because most historical depictions show them as stopping not to far below the genitals but I guess with longer ones it could get in the way.

>>7839862
YOU BET YOUR FUCKING FACE I LOVE PORK. I WILL BATTER MY FOES ABOUT ME LIKE BRICKS FALLING FROM THE SUNDERED TOWER! I SHALL LAY THEM LOW AND CRUSH THEIR BODIES BENEATH MY BOOTS!

BRING THE HEAD OF BABE THE PIG! THIS IS TRUE WARFARE!

>>7839865
meh...bacon is overrated

>>7839869
Its not just bacon! Ham, chop, sausage, boudin, roasts, crackling....

>>7839874

>>7839865
Note to self: If I ever want to get on Gropey's good side, give him pork

>>7839880

>>7839880
Pork, booze, women, pleasantly scented soaps... I am a simple man.

>>7839886
Well I can't promise you women, but one day in the future I plan to go to an event down in Atlantia, and I'll be certain to bring something for you.

>>7839854
Damn that's nice is that steel? Looks like plastic.

>>7838966
I don't think you understand what I want husbando

>>7839910
"Modern Lacquered" (powdercoated) steel.

But for some reason, Japanese kits are one of the few that I can excuse impact-plastic for. This kit is a mix of painted steel and plastic, and you can tell which of the black pieces are which.

>>7839916
Oh okay thanks. Looks great though.

Does the SCA have blunted steel fighting?

>>7839923
Yes, two kinds.

"light combat" commonly refered to as fencing. positive force/contact with blunted rapeirs, sideswords and other blades. No armour needed other than 3-weapon mask, complete skin coverage, gorget and a puncture resistant torso covering like a fencing jacket or thick doublet.

We also have recently in the past decade introduced cut-and-thrust. Its kind of mid way between light and armoured, with fencing helms (helms with mesh or perfplate visors), hand protection and encouragement of body and joint protection. Percussive strikes with intent are allowed.

We do BotN style combat in the SCA, as out rattan combat is actually a very similar analogue while still being safer to the lowest-common-denominator. We have lots of cross over, and many SCA armoured fighters are into BotN style combat too.

We also have mounted combat, two kinds of jousting, siege weaponry to use in armoured combat, archery to use in armoured combat, and host classes on HEMA and historic wrestling to help better our game.

Pic is me in the green, with my fencing greatsword.

>>7839938
Are shields used with the blunted swords.

>>7839938
We DON'T do BotN style fighting

Damn autocorrect.

Pic is our mounted combat. Same as heavy, but the horse is not a target. So far, its been going well except for one issue: The horses get TOO into the fight. We're on our second or third generation of combat-trained horses from breeds used as such... And they do cheeky things like grab people by the surcoate to pull them off the other horses.

>>7839953
WOAH...WOAAAAH WAIT A MINUTE

This is my all time fantasy to one day figth in armor horseback.

Thanks a lot Gross pie , like i had the money for that!

Pic related

>>7839951
Shields, daggers, great swords, bastard swords, canes, cloaks, bucklers... I've fought a guy with a loaf of bread before.

We even have fencing pikes currently under review and testing.

>>7839959
Seems very interesting, I would love to join in on that.

>>7839957
I do my best. Here is a vid for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EW5FPF10vA

>>7839963
Have a picture of an experimental cut-and-thrust polearm.

>>7839965
Well I already own a blunted spear that I spar with and have my linothorax so I don't think it would take too much to get into

>>7839965

''She got velcro on her butt''

And now i'm watching a documentary about the Gulf War of 1993

I'm still waiting for the pictures of the most violent campaing i've seen at bico so far. at the begining of september...

I'ts long...

>>7839968
Your spear would not pass muster, I am most certain. It must have a good deal of flex to it to be legal. The linothorax might work, but you'll need to cover every inch of skin with cut resistant cloth.

>>7839970
Yeah, I just watched it with the volume on... He voice is like nails on a chalkboard, but its still a cool vid.

93 gulf wars documentary is... questionable, but not bad.

We've come a long way since the 60's.

>>7839830
I'm not surprised. I think I was mostly amused because I visited Thailand once and that what I remember all of the municipale buildings looking like in Bangkok. I'm just so tickled at how wide spread the sca is.

>>7839857
Great we want stories and pics as usual

>>7839222
I like this idea although my personal sensibilities don't mesh with that banner.

>>7839953
>We're on our second or third generation of combat-trained horses from breeds used as such... And they do cheeky things like grab people by the surcoate to pull them off the other horses.

I know that must be annoying but that is kinda great.

I would love to go to bacon wars, and not just because my last event was months ago. Go and do us proud be the big ham we all know you are.

>>7839981
Ill try, I forgot to bring my camera to Feast of the bear, hence why you have no pictures of that, but Ill try to remember it for coronation and take pictures when I'm not in the kitchen.

>>7839581
i cant afford the armour atm. its alteast 500usd, and 200 for a good starter helm.

aside from that i can hardly find time for anything with work and school and now wrastlin.

>>7840031
Almost every group has loaner kit, bro. Go his a practice and get fighting.

>>7840088
Dat rental jockstrap smell.

>>7840168
They never provide you a jockstrap, that is the one thing you always gotta buy yourself

anyone have any patterns for greaves that just hug the leg and don't require any straps

>>7839883
>>7839860
>>7839847
>>7839838

The hockey mask type face grills and hand armor really kill it for me.

I know its needed to protect the hands and knees and face for SCA combat but it always rubs me the wrong way seeing the people dressed up for antiquity with the very definitly not historical hand/leg/face armor.

>>7840288
...You realize >>7839860 and >>7839847 are historically accurate gladiator helms, yes?

And yeah, you have to understand, we work with what we can. Hide it if the period permits a way to do so, but if not, just deal with it.

>>7840288
I mean if you want to break your nose and fingers, go for it.

Honestly, if you are going to be overly picky about shit, I don't think you are much of a loss, people who put accuracy over fun and being comfortable(this includes safety) are people I really don't want to waste time on. Not that accuracy isn't cool and all, but if someone bitches that everything isn't 100% accurate then they are most likely an asshole.

>>7840304
But I will argue against your view completely. It is our goal to strive to be as authentic as possible, given the practical limitations that the sport imposes both technically and financially.

If you're not TRYING to better your portrayal, why are you even playing? Its one thing to wear reenforced hockey gloves if your new. Its another if you're a 10 year veteran and still use undisguised spaulding brand gloves with your aircraft grade aluminum sports harness.

Its also not hard to make things less obvious. I covered my hockey gloves in cheap pre-quilted cotton batting to make them look more like padded mittens.

Obviously, its harder to do with metal gaunts, but I can ignore them because of the safety value.

>>7840303
I'm aware that those are accurate gladiator helms its just that in all the larp threads where the sca comes up the vibe I always get is "the sca is the pinnacle of historical accuracy always and forever in every era" even when there are some definitely not historical things like the face grills on the not gladiator helmets and the hand armor on all of them.

>if someone bitches that everything isn't 100% accurate then they are most likely an asshole.
Or a reenactor, admittedly its possible to be both.

>>7840318
Hardly the pinnacle, but the point is that we strive to better our portrayals as a rule.

There is also another train of thought on the aspect of bargrills, that is recent in its trend, and catching on...

>>7840328
Within the past couple years, a new trend has arisen: Cut, decorative bargrills. Also seen here >>7839974.

Are they accurate? Not except on the latest period helms. Is it better than your standard bargrill? Fuck yeah.

>>7840330
I am honestly giving thought to getting one as an exchange visor for my full-faced sallet

>>7840331
that does look nice

>>7840318
Is everything in the sca accurate? No. I think it's more that research, actually physically trying it, and then sharing it with others that sets it apart.

It also is what makes the "I saw it in a movie, so it's good" so aggravating.

>>7840031
Armour archive has new starter helms from dozens of trusted sellers for $150 shipped, and used helms even cheaper. Also >>7840088 mentions, most groups have loaner kit. Try fighting in loaner harness before you spend the money.

>>7840334
Im thinking of getting a gothic cathedral style one as an exchange visor for my new helm here >>7821771.

>>7840336
>"I saw it in a movie, so it's good"
We lynch people like that in my kingdom.

Not really, but apparently having the 10 foot rule makes us nazis.

>>7840346
>having the 10 foot rule makes us nazis
a what?

>>7840349
Looks accurate from 10' away. It means some details may be off, but they wouldn't be noticeable.

In my reenactment society we have a "20' rule", but the people with dodgy kit only really take part in the battles (more than 20' away from the public) and not "living history" where the public get up close and personal.

There are sticklers for historical accuracy of course, and I'm in one of the "regiments" (sub-branch of my society) that does try at this. Detractors to the society exist and often claim we are lacking in "historical accuracy", but that's based on outdated opinions from the early years of the society; we have much improved.

>>7839829
actually that's roughly the proper length

>>7840318
I'm more concerned about general opinions when it comes to the SCA in these threads.
Especially when it comes to the question of fighting. You see in larp threads it's awfully common that people just start saying "yeah, larp is for pussies you guys doesn't even hit each other hard" which is not just true but irrelevant as it's not the objective of the game.
But these people then more often than not will go great lengths how important is for their enjoyment to seriously hurt others and for this purpose they think that SCA is the best thing ever. Sometimes they find a few pics from buhurts and such and then that's the greatest thing ever.
The problem is that they completely missing the point and I personally find them annoying assholes.
Plus I'm kind of sure that these are the kind of people who never went to a larp and probably never will, nor go to practice SCA, reenactment or anything other. Your standard armchair experts with a little more specific views

>>7840315
My point wasn't to discourage trying to be accurate, just discourage bitching and moaning about other people not being absolutely accurate, especially when it comes to things to do with safety.

>>7840774
I should reiterate, accuracy is something anyone in SCA should strive for and the ten foot rule is awesome, but I don't think it should get in the way of your fun.

However, there is of course a limit, if you can't have fun while at least attempting to be accurate then the SCA likely isn't for you.

>>7840462
I dunno. All the sca peeps here seem pretty cool. I think its more of a cultural difference that they dislike tap games with numbers and fear of legal bs.

>>7840824
this thread so far is good and it happens more often over /tg/. It's just that vocal minority that pops up sometimes that bothers me

>>7840881
BOMPOS

>>7840824
I try to be as nice as possible and I don't really have the experience with larp to hate on one. Sometimes I act like an ass but I try not too.

>>7840346
those are really dope!

>>7841291
you see, i do this aswell. amtgard is the exception, as i did amtgard for a bit and realized how pathetic is really was. i could understand if it contained in depth roll play, or characterization. but no, it is the same as dagorhir, except with less contact by far, and alot more elitist assholes who flaunt their "knighthood" and treat everyone underthem as pricks, all the while they wear aweful garb, such as pajama pants, with a neon colored tunic, a modern day bandanna, and cheap sport glasses, with weapons which look even worse than the awful dagorhir boffers

i tried it, and its aweful. maybe it was the group of people that i was with? its possible, only there are plenty of people who cross game with dagorhir, and they all act similar.

we call people like this "stickjocks" and they always exsit. but i dont see why people in larps cant put a bit of characterization in, maybe a bit of rollplay, and actualy ATTEMPT to look nice, i dont mean to sound elitist as my shit isnt super great quite yet, but i at least put an attempt up.

(pic related, i wasnt lying)

>>7840457
I've seen better fitted ones it looks as if he is using one a little too small or built it smaller. On vase paintings they go over the armpit more

Where to find some good starter items and weapons that look cool as shit? all the sources I've checked are massively outdated.

>>7841452
I can get weirdly coloured tunics, and even pajama pants, depending on the pants in question(I wear grey pants that are passable, I'd like to get something better but it's good for the tie being), but baseball caps, pillow shields and dickswords are turn-off for me.

>>7841562
yeah I would like to know too

would street signs be good to use to make armor?

>>7841630
cause I got a lot of them lying around

>>7841630
i know dagorhir banned aluminum's use because other than the whole soda can armor, people were stealing road signs.

so its totally doable, but i wouldnt encourage stealing them..

>>7841615
i mean weirdly colored is fine, just tone down the loud colors, and pajama pants are a turn off for me. but i personally dont think any form of baseball caps, or hats other than period, should be allowed. and neither should sunglasses unless its for saftey.

>>7841617
also, it depends on the larp game.

Etsy is a pretty good all arround place, but for armor you might want to try armor archive, or armstreet for non hardcore fighting stuff, though i hear their metal work is good.

garb, id try to find a seamstress, or again etsy, and i know theirs a few sites like tailored tunics.

footwear i have no idea though

gear, if you want boffer stuff Gorgtheblacksmith does great work. otherwise calimacil i hear is good for more realistic but latex covered.

>>7841830
Well I got a bunch from a yardsale an old man had a bunch ( I think he worked for the city and got to keep the old ones) Most of them have graffiti on them.

>>7841841
yeah i mean its totaly doable. im sure there are guides on youtube, though i think you should get the paint off them first,

>>7841853
Well most of the paint is on the side that wont show so thats good and I have tools in my workshop I just need patterns more or less and to decide what kind of armor to make as I'm new to this whole larp thing

>>7841861
check out the armor archive i know they have patterns.

>>7841895
cool thanks man

>>7840346
hey who made these? i cant find anything on AUgrillworks

>>7841896
best of luck man! when you start on it make sure to post your progress here, im sure wed all love to see it!

>>7841907
I'm thinking of Greek/Roman fantasy armor. I've been lurking on some threads lately and people have putting a lot of Greek stuff.
>>7839838
>>7839798
These pics have got me thinking. I'm thinking of making this out of street signs then putting cloth on the inside to not show the letters and for padding.

>>7841913
This is it open and doesn't seem too hard to make

>>7841913
>>7841919
Or this but not as fancy

alligator armor love to get my hand on one of these

>>7833240
putting on a firework show in my new winter costume was fun had players wodering what the hell was going on.

I would love to make something like this

>>7841562
Esh-Esh from /tg/ make a few awesome and relatively cheap stuff. No weapons though and mostly accessories, but you can always order custom items from her
https://www.etsy.com/shop/RawringCrafts

bomp

>>7833398
Sca weapons are rattan sticks, sometimes padded the rules set up isn't that kind when it comes to oddities. You will find little benefit from an Axe or specific hand weapons. Oh and scadians loose their minds when you say "no shields"

The combat rules are geared toward viking era sword and shield tactics so anything outside that is inefficient.

>>7842561
I'm no expert but uh... no? Rules are more or less based on hitting hard enough to feel it through armour, if limbs are hit you remove the limb from play, torso or head are death.

Also I know plenty of dudes who love to fight without shields, sword and board just happens to be what everyone starts with.

ill bump with some greek and roman shit

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>>7842864
I'm talking about the metta of the rules. Is everyone is assumed to be wearing a nasal helm and chain harbruk with padding. That lends itself to viking kit. And in that style the shield is the primary weapon focus. No matter what armor you're wearing you're assumed to be wearing that for the purposes of scoring hits.

In reality my plate armor would be impervious to just about any sword slash, and a wrap shot is completely ineffective against chain and padding.

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>>7842864
All hail the iron chicken.

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>>7843068

Pre marian army best Roman army

>>7843203
TRIARII

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>>7843057
I always loved the lorica armor. It isn't in the least bit kosher for the safety standards i need in my group but my god i want to walk out just once in full roman kit gladius in hand and curb stomp someone with my scutum.

Sadly though, I can't do anything but shield bash (no aggressive striking with the edge) and would have to put a thrusting tip on a gladius that would sort of ruin it.

>>7843598
awh man! i get to punch people with shields all day! dont think curb stomping someones head is encouraged though.

im getting a surcoat/tabbard made, should i do a slit in the front or sides? itll go down to about knee length.

>>7843068
Ah the peplos. I made one for a friend and it is the comfiest thing to wear. Even though I focus on late 15th century and mid 16th century I want to make at least one of these to wear in the summer as it is just so so comfortable. Especially if I end up going to pennsic next year.

It's was also worn by Viking women with a t-tunic like dress underneath. I like this look better then the apron dress

>>7843211
>this spear is too heavy
>why is my shield so small
>who put this tiger on my head?
>i wish i was at the colosseum watching christians get eaten

>>7843681
>3rd century BC
>Christians getting eaten
Pick one

>>7843661
think youd be able to make a kaftan? i have so much stuff i want but not the time nor money to acheive it.

>>7843686

Anon I fear you may have the autisms.

>>7843688
Yeah sure, I can easily make simple clothing items that don't require extensive fitting.

I can make the more complicated stuff that requires more fitting as well it's just a lot harder when the person is far away.

Not being familiar with exactly the kind of caftan you are interested in I'd need the time period/style narrowed down.

Lets get the t-tunics and tabbard done first though!

>>7843697
dude i know. i have the trim, i just need to find the right fabric for the tabbard. something that drapes well and has kind of a course look to it. maybe ill just do canvas grade linen.

what do you think?

>>7843701
can i just send you the curtains from my room? they drape pretty well...

>>7843701
A tabard need to be heavy and strongly made, so yeah canvas linen is okay.

>>7843697
I should bug you later when I have more money to spend, I'd love to get garb that looks a bit more fancy then a simple T-tunic, I'm sure I could get some from people in my Kingdom but I gotta show some love to my Larpthread crew too.

Hey guys whats going on on this thraaaaaaah

S'funny because the guy behind is falling and all...y'see...

Ah what the hell , fuck you too !

Lorica's look awesome but make sure you wear padding underneath on shoulders at least or you will suffer.

>>7843056
Are pike squares ever used? Does the fact that you can't break the shields mean that two-handers aren't as useful as they were historically?

>>7844145
Large scale battles in the SCA usually lack organisation. some small unit tactics but normally it devolves into a big long line poking at each other with the longest "spear" they can hold while shield men try to protect on either side. Pennsic has so many people on the field that have not really trained for large scale fighting that real organization becomes impossible.

On the smaller scale you can see pike formations or if enough greeks and romans are out there a phalanx or testudo aren't unheard of but it takes planning.

Think of it like this.. gather together a thousand people who all like reenactment and sword fighting, but each has different gear and armor individualized and for the most part unique to them. then divide them in half and tell these people most of whom just met this weekend to organize an army and fight.

>>7843631
Do not make a bed sheet surcoat.. (a big rectangle of cloth with a hole in the top.) Sure they are functional and easy. but it looks less like garb and more like "i am hiding my shitty looking armor."

>>7843631
Here is the surcoat i made to fit under my armor, the tails can hang on the outside of it to give a nice effect.

I recommend upholstery grade fabric if you're going to be fighting in it, remember it will catch and rub on your armor and anything that hits you.

Ladies und Gentlemens, i present to you the best pale ale in the world for 2014.

How proud would this guy be to know that the beer that share is character name was gonna be made best pale ale in the world almost 8 years after his irl death.That one of his friend was gonna open a micro-brewery and name of of his first beer in his memory.

In the true faith we decided to make him a new patron saint .

Rest in peace old man.

Now...why are my eyes wet all of the sudden.

>>7844145
Hello.

i cant talk for other larp but at bico the pikes squares are not used anymore.

Why ? for the same historicals reason that made people change tactics in the past. ARMOR and weapons evolution!

The heavier we got, the more static the combat became and the more agressive the pikeman had to become.

With the apparition of canons the pike wall became a death trap.

Flankers would annhihilate pike squares in a minute.

the thing about bico is: most of the commanders are people really interested in medieval warfare and they know what to do and not to do against a formation.
we have almost 2500 years of recorded history to learn from and even if we know that the testudo can work sometimes, it's only used in very particular circonstences just as pike square are only used in very tigth defendable position and only to keep the enemy occupied while the shields flank so the pike can make sure to kill anyone who turn to face the shields

what is often used is a more ''modern'' aproach, a shieldman will protect the spearman who can strike from behind the shield of an ally , combined weapons huhu


Also pic is the guy, mctavish , for realz

>>7844145
in dagorhir red weapons(two handed weapons over 48Inches) may break a shield in two hits.

and i wouldnt call them "pike squares" in dagorhir as their never more than 2 or so people deep. but, in things like bridge or gate battles, theres always tons of stuff similar to it, the exception being its usualy a row of shieldmen then two rows of spearmen, and they switch out when tired.

>>7844167
hahaha dont worry it wont be, besides i like to showcase my armor.

>>7844173
that surcoat does look good. might ill look into that!

>>7844145
in Drachenfest the Landsknecht camp is kind of a pike squares. Well not with pikes, only short pikes and various other polearms as real pikes are start at 3 meters and go upward from that. Secondly they have only enough people for a "few" rotte nowehere near enough for a proper army of 4000 men strong. Although they MIGHT have enough for one company but probably not.

But in smaller battles and sieges they rather operate as half-independent rottes

>>7838729
this thing happened today, it wasn't as bad as It could be although there were only 5 other guys there but only one of them was seriously retarded. We did a little fighting and stuff like that, probably some of those guys can be salvageable in the future

>>7844487
better than nothing

>>7844250
I'll post the pattern I used for it.

>>7844250
Yeah i know it's really simple but it woks.

>>7844918
sweet thanks man

>>7844978
so, what kind of tents do you guys use at events?

last time i went to a week long event it rained more than half the time. and my tent flooded. i dont like sleeping in camp chairs.

im not really good with fabric, but i mean if i could choose a dream tent, it would be circular, with an elevated wood platform, a bug net, and be completely waterproof.

>>7845048
If i'm camping IC I use one of these (NATO campbed) covered in furs and rugs. Much better than cheap argos tat and I bloody hate airbeds as they either puncture or go down in the cold.

>>7845080
yep. i plan on investing in a cot by next year...

>>7845048
whenever I can I just bring a hammock and wool blanket or blankets if it's cold.
If that's not possible for some reason or we want to have lots of tents then we use old hungarian military tents, thick very durable canvas, these are survived more storms that I care to remember

>>7845561
Im thinking of getting a soulpad tent. and since its only 9x9' making an elevated platform for it. shouldnt be to hard. and it would be MUCH nicer, than a regular ground tent.

Back from coronation, I didn't take pictures cause I am a dolt, but I know that someone I know on facebook was taking pictures all day so when he posts them, Ill shove em up here.

Also I got toys from the toy maker because I was helping in the kitchen for the first half of the coronation, nothing beats a cup and ball.

>>7845619
that's all goud and everything as long as you have a car. I personally try to pack up my gear so that I can bring it by foot if have to as not every time I join to someone with car.

>>7846017
oh no, yeah. we always have a car for that, sometimes even a trailer.

>>7842561
>little benefit from an Axe or specific hand weapons.

Axes, maces, hammers and other mass weapons are harder, heavier and hit like bricks. They also count shoulders and hips as killing blows, as the mass would crush the joint to mush. They have very different balance, dynamics, striking range and surface than a baton. See my pic here. >>7839825

>Oh and scadians loose their minds when you say "no shields

Never seen than and I have been in the sca my whole life. Tell it to the great weapon, two weapon, spear, polearm and buckler fighters.

>The combat rules are geared toward viking era sword and shield tactics so anything outside that is inefficient.

Nope. 10thC Pas-de-armes. We fight with rules as though we are fighting a tournament of peace, not warfare.

>>7843056
Again: Pas-de-armes. I wear near bare minimums, myself.

>>7844145
Depends on the group. Atlantia is one of the few kingdoms that does drill and formation practice.

>can't break the shields
I do it all the time, you just need to actually break them.

>two-handers aren't as useful as they were historically?

Bro, getting shit-socked by a guy with a 5-6foot long baton has just as much psychological value and getting shit socked with anything.

>>7844166
Atlantia STRONK. We actually know how to wheel a unit.

Just got home from bacon wars! Pics and stories soon!

>>7846172
Having fought against sca and in live steel against said mass weapons any sort of armor beyond bare skin is proof against most of the tactics used in the sca.

A suit of full plate armor and proper padding can make you pretty much invulnerable to swords and cutting attacks and the mace will only batter you around unless you have shitty untempered armor.

>>7846240
The shield pretty much disappeared from combat use because of developments in armor technology, and a longsword or pole weapon takes advantage of leverage to force people to the ground where they can be killed, captured or have to yield the fight.

>>7846240
Uhmm... Dude, real mass weapons are specifically designed to defeat plate armour, as are several styles of swords that developed along side of them.

I fight ACL/BotN. I use a mace. Our maces are a fraction of the weight that real maces are. They do not defeat armour by dmaging it, but by transferring force THROUGH it. A half weight mace, through a properly treated and tempered steel helm, can still cause concussions and contusions. A real mace causes that, cerebral hemorrhaging and stress fracturing in the skull.

Lets not even talk about reenforced armour piercing spikes.

If they didnt work, they wouldn't have used them. Please, don't talk about what you don't know the science behind.

>>7846420
...sometimes i get kanker sores..

>>7846248
>The shield pretty much disappeared from combat use because of developments in armor technology

Everyone says this out of context. In western Europe, in close quarters, those who could afford armour of such an edge would fight without shields. Most footmen, most people in sieges and nearly everyone while closing against bowmen still used shields well into the 1600's.

>>7846437
Swish some hydrogen peroxide, it'll go away.

>>7844173
Where did you get that leather gorget, I want one.

>>7846459
It looks like a brig gorget. Where do you live? I know a few good US maker/suppliers who sell finished and kits for low costs.

>>7846437
He's correct about everything in that post. Don't be butthurt.

>>7846457
i got punched in the face before rag, and all the cuts in my mouth turned into kanker sores, so i had like 5 and i got meds for it, which basicly just numb your entire mouth and make you look stupid. i fear for anyone who leaves their chapstick arround...

>>7846467
i didnt post that bud.

>>7846459
i can make you one of those easy, id just need a few measurments and a description of what you want/ want to use it for.

>>7846470
crush baby asprin into a fine powder and rub it on the kankers to help heal them quick.

>>7846473
I'm UK based, one would go rather nice with my black gamebson I think.

>>7846473
I read it that Clownbro's post was giving you cankers.

>>7846486
oh lol no. i get them when i get cuts in my mouth usually from getting hit in the face. which happens pretty often due to sports.

>>7846478
i havent tried that before. i might give it one, because fuck these things

>>7846483
go ahead and shoot me an email and we'll work everything out. im US based, but i don't think shipping will be to much of a killer.

>>7846491
i added it to the options shit thingy butt im not sure if that works, so here it is in text

Shea550@gmail.com

>>7846491
Sure, what is it?

>>7846496
Emailed

>>7846564
emailed back.

when i start ill post progress on here for you.

>>7846420
That's funny, seeing as I make and fight in the stuff I exactly understand the science of it all. And while the Armored combat league and battle of the nations that all used to be russia is a good start really it is still sport.

Mass weapons are great, but they aren't nearly as magically effective as people believe. If your armor is properly made and padded than you don't suffer nearly as much trauma from the blunt impact of a mace or hammer, even ones that are made to crack and puncture plate.

If you fight enough you already know that it is very hard to land a solid blow on a moving target wearing rounded and shaped armor. Unless they are already pinned or immobile in some way you are more likely to get a glancing hit.

Sadly in AcL and BOTN or the SCA or a million other fighting groups we aren't quite able to "use what worked" because there is almost no way to safely replicate techniques used to kill each other.

I remember going to a AcL practice where something as simple as a shield lock and overhand thrust was enough to "kill" any opponent. They never had to deal with it in their rules set and never bothered to think about it.

My original point was that the type of fighting done in these groups is not accurate. Because 90% of the time the armor you have on is proof against what they consider legal wounding blows.

>>7846911
>thrust

And I already know you're full of shit. Thrusts are illegal without any exception in ACL, as per section 4: Prohibited techniques

4.1.2. Any thrusts with weapons at any portion of a
n opponent’s body.

I was not arguing that any system is accurate, but you obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about at all.

Faggot.

>>7846981
*I was not arguing that any system is perfectly accurate.

>>7846981
>told : X
>not told:

>>7846981
Thrust are prohibited?
What...the hell would i be supposed to do?
It's like saying you cannot hit heads
Or that your larp have magic in it

>>7846991
Thrust with steel swords at full contact while being punched, kicked and tackled are too dangerous. Several men have been disfigured and lost eyes just by accidents where a blade tip or a broken shard goes through an ocular.

In historic context, its the same reason steel blunts were disallowed from thrusting in tournament.

>>7846981
it's hard to see in this picture but my longsword has a thrusting cap and is fairly flexible. I also have an arming sword modified this way to illustrate period techniques. it greatly illustrates the flaws in a system when the most of attacks utterly negates the AcL fighting system.

The aforementioned ACL practice was a cross gaming event down here in florida where different fighting groups helped train with each other. I was demonstrating what my own group allows in order to help train some would be team USA fighters for BOTN. And the way they fought left them vulnerable to a variety of lock and thrust maneuvers, You could also use them to take slashing or swinging strikes as well.

It further illustrates that even in the "hardest of hardcore" fighting groups excluding targets and attack methods leads to some serious game breaking habits becoming the norm. No combat exists in a vacuum, and when you remove things that fundamentally effect a fight, like thrusts and head shots it adds more meta levels to the system.

>>7847059
It's an odd match up in groups where you can have fighters using 11th century armor, weapons, and tactics against fighters wearing 15th and 16th century plate. that is up to 500 years of development meeting each other on the same field and no real system can account for that.

>>7847059
Yes, and hockey checking someone in golf is a great way to foul their shot that they don't now how to defend against. Mixing games like that doesn't make you better, its just a learning experience.

We've gone way off track with this. Its not about who's hardcore; Point is, that axes, maces and other mass weapon act very differently both physically and rules-wise from batons in SCA combat, if you were to take five damn minutes to read the rules, or even try it for yourself before you pass judgement on what you obviously don't know. Mass weapons in BotN such as cleaver, axes and maces are the preferred hand weapon for a good reason, and the explicit development of mass weapons to defeat armour is fact based on effect.

>>7846997
You know it's funny to read this while so many people says how full contact these systems are and everyone else is a pussy.

Especially when I think about that we use thrusts too when we practice with steel weapons

>>7847105
>We've gone way off track with this.
especially in a larp thread

I fenced before I larped and have a habit of thrusting with larp swords that aren't really safe to do so. This is a personal failing that I am working on, so far it hasn't caused too much trouble as I by habit aim for centre mass. But even so accidents can happen so I am practicing alternative techniques.

>>7847462
or get a stab-safe weapon

>>7847469
They don't really make stab safe bastard swords in the UK. That said I mostly use a crossbow, so if i'm going to hit you it will be from 30m+ away (If i'm lucky!).

>>7847478
ever tried the Calimacil Bellator? we have really good experience with it (apart from the shipping...)

>>7847479
Shall check it out :)

>>7847469
>>7847462
yeah deffinitly pick one up. stabby weapons are the best. i probably get mot of my kills off thrusts(not counting when im using a spear) to the solar plexus

Sword I currently use, tend to keep it in a back scabbard when using crossbow.

total noob here
Been reading about LARP aswell as looking at pictures and stuff, it all looks like great fun.

Is Australian LARP a thing though? Is the community active/decent?

>>7847591
there is this thing called swordcraft and I'm pretty sure there are at least one other bigger active group there. Try to search for the swordcraft people or on facebook for other groups and ask for more info

>>7847367
You don't hit like BotN/ACL though. Its the one major rule they have.

>>7847462
Use a weapon designed to be safe to stab with, and don't aim for the face. Simple as that.

>>7847478
>They don't really make stab safe bastard swords in the UK.

U wot m8t? I call BS, and you have an easier time getting german pieces than us in the US.

>>7847591
You don;t need a larp! Just pack up some adventuring gear, and go fight monsters and bandits in the frontier, while recovering loot from abandoned military installations and run down towns!

Beware of wombats.

>>7847607
Thanks m8ey

>>7847651
Somebody should get a mad max larp going down under

>>7846459
I made the gorget out of leather hardened with wax. It is a fairly easy pattern that I can draw up and post. Anything that fits that close to the body especially the neck should be sized to fit you.

>>7847651
If the wombats don't get you, the drop bears will.

>>7847720
i fucking lol'd at drop bears.

>>7847591
>>7847607

Yeah i met the organiser at bico last year, really funny and nice guy. he's with the order of the stag.

I started calling our ennemies on the battlefield a ''BUNCH OF CHEEKY CUNTS!'' in his honor and he kept saying i would get my ass kicked in autralia if i ever said that.

If you ever meet him just say

Montmagny Mo' Bitches, he will understand.

>>7833240
http://www.larping.org/the-larp-census/
some nice stats!

>>7847651
Most swords from Uk retailers are latex with carbon fibre cores. Not often with stab safe tips as standard. The only weapons here that tend to be routinely equipped with stabe safe tips are knifes/daggers, spears and billhooks.

>>7847478
Saxon violence, skian mohr, LARP gear and eldritch do. I'm planning to get saxon violence to make mine.

>>7848764
I own a couple of Eldritch swords, and i've just bought a shield off them. Not all thier swords are stab safe. Saxon Violences tend to be though, my mate has a cracking spear from them.

>>7847720
>>7848200
Wombats are no fucking joke. They are a big as pigs, have teeth like rats, are as dense as concrete and are the only animal the cushions its bones with its organs to survive impacts (such as your car when you hit one and it totals it).

Think about it.

>>7848669
Seriously? Even the few suppliers in the US tend to kevlar reenforced thrusting tips.

Time for a few Bacon Wars pics as they trickle in! Forgive the padded leather gloves, my gaunts are still in the shop :(

Im in the green, with the white tabard thrown over for my Barony.

>>7848910
Wombat butts are seriously amazing. Built in armour, hello? It's a pity you can't ride one backwards into combat...

>>7848825
as stab safe swords are relatively new, you need to specifically ask for them.

>>7848910
The reason is, the UK and America have different ideas of stab safe.

>>7848941
>+3 Armour of Wombutt

>>7848951
>The reason is, the UK and America have different ideas of stab safe.

I would imagine that ya'll would be less paranoid than us. Am I wrong?

Next major LARP project is one of these!

>>7848965
Holy hell that pic... Did you take his lunch money after? How is that remotely safe?

>>7848965
Thats pretty hardcore. Did he get hurt?

>>7846459
The Gorget I made is similar to this one, though I used a slightly different shape.

>>7847591
Hopefully you're in Melbourne, that's the original group, though I understand there's groups in Adelaide and Bendigo. Not as good as eurolarp yet, but miles better than amerilarp. There's a weekly Friday night battle at a football oval if you just want to stickjock, there's usually a local vendor selling calamacil, palnatoke, epicarmory and forgotten dreams kit with the odd handicrafts store every now and then, little bit of roleplaying as well, an occasional weekend 1-day, which is a bit more traditional, and every couple of months a "quest event", which is 3 days at a property we own. Due to administration or construction or somesuch, as we haven't had the land long, we're not going to have another quest till next july, supposedly. Drop me an email at pseudoperson13@gmail.com, I'd be happy to help you, though I'm a little low ranking in the great scheme of things.

>>7848215
Which org? I'm not aware of any order of the stag, but there's a teutonic order, which two belong to, an order of the black rose (undead, leader's a founder and a well travelled larp vet, but not an organizer), and another org is a former elf, which sounds vaguely staggish.

>>7848975
I love canons , so so much.
In 2004-ish when i first wanted to go to bico i wanted to join the Iron fist just to be part of the only group that used canon back then.

Some time later i joined the Templars who are one of the closest ally of the iron fist and i sometimes call for support fire from this canon 2.0 .(they remplaced the tube for a bigger one and they put some metal and small spikes over the edge of the weels for better naviguation in mud)

This year we had a figth in a large road and this canon was wrecking shit , it's long to reload compared to other siege weapon but so satisfying to hear and see shoot other siege weapons or high value target from double the distance)

Life work in mysterious ways

>>7849742
How does one make a larpsafe cannon? Is canister shot a possibility?

>>7849378
the order of the stag is the name they have at bico, it's a group full of people from different contries, they have a nice camp and all.

Mostly americans and australians and if i'm not mistaken 2 guys from quebec and a dude from some province in canada i cant remember if it was british colombia or something else.

and i do not remember the name of the org but it may have beeen swordcraft because the name tell me something, but i'm reaaaally not sure about that.

>>7849748
canister shot WAS a possibility but the true faith is more nerfed than PACT in wargame, so we lost the ability to canister shot.

and there is 2 type of canon

The badass ones - The ones with propane and a spark that propulse the ball (the ball is a foam balloon covered in tape) they have a big solid tube made of heavy metal , how does it sound like? a big and dry CRACKBOOM

The ''i want a canon but i dont want to make any effort on the battlefield'' - Compressed air, latex over a plastic tube , how does it sound like? PFOUIIIIIIII!

and a special category - I just dont give a fuck about anyone : my friend is an engineer so we decided to put a noisy compressor atached to a tube and wheels and handle that look like a gatling gun , i do not have a picture of this monstruosity but i cannot believe they accepted that , how does it sound like? : VRRRRRVVVTTVTTVVRVVVVRVpooofRRRRRVRVRVRVRVRVRVR , exactly want you want to hear on a pretend medieval battlefield.

I took great pleasure in poking the servant of that disgraceful canon in the chest last year

>>7849749
Do the names Jeff, Phill, Nelson or Clinton ring a bell?

I'm starting to understand why we're currently testing slightly modified bicco rules (No headshots, most people don't have helmets here) now. I haven't been to a playtest but I don't mind the rules from what I've seen. It's causing controversy due to departing wildly from our previous ruleset, due to increased lethality (Unarmored players used to have 3 hits, possibly up to 15 hits with armor) though at least armor isn't game breakingly powerful anymore, additional complexity in counting hits (No locational damage previously), and having to drop gear, which is something I'm a little worried about myself. It's a little amusing hearing people think it's going to be impossible to run despite working over where you are since the 90's, but there's been a lot of understandable distrust of the orgs due to unpopular changes that kinda benefited the org's warbands most in the past and some dickish comments on one the orgs' part.

>>7849767
Phill krins does ring a bell.
Nice funny guy.

Give a chance to bico-style rules...even if i dont understand how bico rules would work nicely if the head is not permited.

It makes for fast and furious battle where people are strong on defence and nobody can act as a rambo who charge battlelines alone.

The only thing simpler than bico is Gn de Guerre rules.
Wich i wont go into detail because i'm already late this morning.

Atleast if he follow the same rules we use here , there is no way someone can be advantaged as armor itself does not make you invincible and skill is more important

My older brother loves the SCA, he has a PHD in medieval history and is the leading world expert on 14th century armor. Its like going to the circus for him and watching the clowns.

>>7849796
Pretty much. I can't count the number of sca samurai I have seen using the iron chicken.

>>7849796
>implying some of us IN the SCA don't have PhDs.

>Implying we don't have as much fun as any other game.

Lame b8 m8.

>>7849953
>iron chicken

Wut the wut?

>>7849983
Google motherfucker... Do you use it?
The iron chicken is a really dumb tactic used by just about every SCA sword and shield fighter out there. Basically it means hiding behind your indestructible shield with your weapon heals at an angle over the top to sluff off any incoming blows. People who use it almost exclusively use wrap shots, the most ineffective blow against any kind of armor on the battlefield. It is a meta tactic of the sca and exploits the rules of the game in favor of real swordplay.

>>7850005
The tent block is a valid sword stance, and shields are destructable, if you can physically break it. People who use it mostly work with angled blows going across the diagonals.

Its like you're not even trying.

Back to bacon wars. I has a cart!

>>7849796
>implying history academia and historical reenactment haven't always had an animosity between them.

>>7850017
Tell you what gropey, I'll dress up in my gambeson, rivited chain and nasal helm grab a shield and hand you a real,sharp sword. And you can hit me with as many wrap shots as you like as hard as you like and I'll be standing unscathed after you've exhausted yourself. Blades only cut when they push or pull across a target and just the impact of that limp existed wrap shot is not enough to leave more than a light bruise on even the most basic armor.

I'm willing to put my life on it. In fact I already have while teaching local scadians how to fight with real swords. Sca heavy combat is stick tag and you know it.

>>7850017
Indestructible aluminum shield... It is doubtful that the most reckless fighter is going to break that shield. Oh and if I recall you're not allowed to grapple in the sca against shields furthering the advantage of the iron chicken.

>>7850037
All the scholars in the SCA I know play in it for fun and relaxation when not doing living history.

>>7850040
Did you not read my post? I am not defending the wrap, I am saying they are not as common as you think.

Hell, I don't throw wraps. Lots of people don't. I don't have the body geometry to throw wraps well.

I wear accurate padding too kiddo, and have done pig test cutting while I worked as a military science specialist for Jamestown/Yorktown foundation. I know what a sword does.

>Sca heavy combat is stick tag and you know it.

When did I ever argue it wasn't? We have other combat forms and WMA/HEMA classes to improve our sticktag, but I will defend that the fact that 90% of the US team for BotN were SCA, and came out with amazing scores.

Quit trying to alpha nerd here, we're all geeks.

>Indestructible aluminum shield
I bend T6 and crack wooden shield regularly.

>Oh and if I recall you're not allowed to grapple in the sca against shields
Only in Melees. You can still grab weapons, and use your weapon to hook shields. You can grapple in many tournaments (and I especially adore doing so in dagger fights)

Grappling is too dangerous to do when you have several thousand people, rabbit-blunt arrows and siege weapons, according to the lawyers.

This thread has a lot of serious talk which is cool, but I want more awesome LARP photos.

>>7850069
>Quit trying to alpha nerd here, we're all geeks.
Quote of the week

I am a bad swordsman
i'm getting better but i am just not a good swordsman.

Anyways the sword i have is an old cheaterbeater who weigth a ton and i like it like this.

I really do prefer my spear

i had many swords and it's the only one who just doesnt want to break .

also i named all my weapons, i cant be the only one doing that.

Also, this mace is the one that made me fall in love with mace, somebody gave it to me during a campaing where my first sword broke (Imagine the best blade from calimacil with a custom handle)

I miss that sword...

>>7850337
Can do!

>>7850493
I love that pic.
>Dat empty yard
>Dat unkept grass
>Dat flaking paint and chipped daub

Thats they bad part of town, and I like it. Seedy as fuck.

>>7850044
grappling is what i use in alot of combat situations. especially as a spearmen. if they can run up close, i can usualy disarm them. if anyone has any grappling questions feel free to ask me. its probably the only area in larp/battlegame combat i can actualy say im an expert at. that and im fairly proficient in daggers/knives.

>>7850493
and yeah i completely agree with you. i usualy main a spear and dagger so my sword game is weak.

>>7850069
I love when people try to be alpha nerds, always try to look better then everyone else but just end up looking more pathetic then the rest of us.

>>7850671
i agree with this alot of times.

>>7850505
gropey can be a bit harsh when it comes to stuff like that. regardless of if wrap shots or Armour work or not, were all nerds and we should all be friends, we gotta stick together against the mundane horde ehy?

>>7843726
>I should bug you later when I have more money to spend, I'd love to get garb that looks a bit more fancy then a simple T-tunic, I'm sure I could get some from people in my Kingdom but I gotta show some love to my Larpthread crew too

Sure, if love to make something for you when you are ready. You do Viking right? It'll give me a reason to do research outside of my usual era.

>>7848910
>>7848965
Nice pics it looks like it would have been a treat to watch live.

>>7849796
This is a terrible attitude to have in regard to the sca. A lot of it really has to do with sharing research and information. If his reaction to people doing things in ignorance is to snigger behind people's backs he is behaving like an ass.

>>7849983
>implying some of us IN the SCA don't have PhDs.

>Implying we don't have as much fun as any other game.

Also this! Your brother is not any kind of minority.

Anyway thinking that a combat game is bad because it's not actually combat is dumb. Because we don't actually want to kill each other there has to be limitations.

To back up the botn sca connection two of our fighters from my shire competed in botn.

Anyway the demo went well. We mainly did dancing, has quite a few non-sca participants and the dance master commented on how much he enjoyed it and wants to do it again next year.

>>7850892
Also we are in auto sage.

>>7850894
new thread time?

>>7850941
there is already one
>>7838524

>>7851530
thats a "awesome larp stories thread"

>>7851623
trust me, it's the /tg/ way