/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Here is a picture of of it worn.

fantasy how? depends on what type of setting that character is in, environment, nation colors and overall feel , etc

>>7778455
Like your regular fantasy elves, goblins and such. Although more mercenary looking as I am going for one that comes from a far off land similar to "Greece"

>>7778455

Going for beige and khaki similar to that on left
>>7778430

A gritty seafaring mercenary newly introduced to the land of forests and hills from being only in port towns and on the sea.

>>7778472
Hmmm torso armor like that usually isn't decorated or anything that'll make it stand out expect for secondary colors like a red stitching and little things since it'll be just for an mercenary. They don't really have anything too special to them. Maybe emblem/crest somewhere

I'm sorry I can't help much . perhaps look through other peoples versions for inspires?

>>7778491
Well I was thinking of doing something like this.

>>7778493
Ah that's pretty cool. Then what about etched patterns or animals ? Have the trimming under the arm, up the shoulder straps a pattern you like ?

>>7778504
I was thinking of using a Greek meandering key to trim for the thorax yet for the skirt just a symbol on the red part. Possibly a Greek letter.

>>7778504
something like this

Any idea what material this might be?

>>7778550
on that pic it's leather, although on the OP pic it's some kind of textile probably linen or similar stuff as the linothorax was usually made out of textile

this could be useful to you
http://www.uwgb.edu/aldreteg/Linothorax.html

>>7778563
Yeah I know historically it was quilted or glued linen yet to make make a linothorax like that it would be 16 to 20 layers but I don't want something that would be able to withstand heavy blows just some cheaper material for Larping. Any idea where to buy cheap linen like material or what material to use?

>>7778564
The thing about that is that its the a pattern that was historical but doesn't look aesthetically pleasing for what I need.

>>7778565
probably any canvas like material will be good for this if you just use it for larping. use something thinner or not that dense because it's cheaper and you will use a lot of layers anyway.

also, you can dye it beforehand, noone says it has to be stay white

also take a look on this picture for a more pimped up version

>>7778568
I was thinking of using a tea color for the base layers and painting the last layer before gluing it on. Like this one and then putting the greek key on a thin strip and gluing it on the outer edge.

>>7778493
>>7778509

bamp

>>7778565

>Asking hungarian LARPfag about cheaper materials "since it's just a larp"

Anon, this is the guy that will take regular shits on high end larping armour, since it's not custom forged to size

But we love you, Hungarian

>>7778883
>Anon, this is the guy that will take regular shits on high end larping armour
>high end larping armour
>high end
>high
I fucking hope you don't talk about the larpshop armours. Because while they are expensive they are objectively shit tier.
It's not about being custom made for you it's about not being comfortable at all and the patterns are all wrong. even those were for the right size for someone the patterns they use guarantee that it will never be comfortable or work well. Combine that with thin as fuck materials that will bend even during transportation and the fact they are so expensive that you can get an actual blacksmith made armor for it most of the time.

That said, actually a lot of people like those for some reason I cannot understand. Probably it's because they just have to throw some cash at the shop and they instantly get something that resembles an armor from far away.

but ranting off.

I already said that thinner/less dense, linen/canvas like materials could work but now I realized that using a cheap us fuck material for most layers and putting just one good looking layer at the end of it could work too, although I still recommend to use as little synthetic materials as you could because it's way more practical if you run around in it, especially in a hot day.
We already realized on cons that when someone is dressed properly in armor it's waaaay more comfortable than for example for the guys who in full foam crafted costumes. Or just in some complicated cloth made out of synthetics and cannot stop sweating

>>7778938

Any link so somebody uin europa that makes custom plate armour with correct materials and patterns and does not cost a fortune? I have made a lot of stuff myself, including dozens of knives, pattern welded, bowmaking, hardened leather, ... ad nauseam.

But due to a new job I wont have the time to once again go full retard about a new costume for later medieval and Landsknecht inspired partial plate armour. So I look for a place where I can get good stuff like a breastplate and articulated shoulder/upper arm armour.

>>7779138
well, I don't have links as most of the blacksmiths who do it cheap are usually the ones who don't have a website.
Although our blacksmith do mostly Landsknecht stuff as we have a Landsknecht reenactment, so he might be good for you, although has a few orders now and I don't know when will he have time for new ones.
But he works cheap, although mostly do munitions grade stuff.

If you tell me a country I could help more, or ask our blacksmith

>>7779230

I am form Germany.

Do not misunderstand me - I do not look for extremely cheap stuff. If it fits me well and has "function" instead of only looks, I will gladly pay more. I do not need the stuff immediately. Some connections and pics of what these people do would be very cool.

What I get here is "one size fits none" or outright fantasy stuff that is impractical. Additionally, it is just bent sheet metal instead of hammered to shape (with the corresponding variances in thickness depending on location and work hardening) carbon steel.
I will of course pay more for authentic craftsmanship, material and true value as armour.

>>7779245
I can show a few examples of the stuff our blacksmith does, for example here is my armor

>>7779253
and a black and white armor he made. I can show you more if you are interested. Also asked him if he knows reasonable blacksmiths in germany he will respond probably in a few hours

>>7779256

Thanks. I really like the black and white armor in your pic.

>>7779262
here is on it's user

somewhat related: /r/ing pics of Gropey. I think he's fighting in my SCA kingdom's crown...

>>7779272

>>7779276
Does he have another helmet? Got a face pic?

>>7779283
dunno. Probably?

>>7778565
>>7778563
Actually there's a lot of debate in the historical community, Linothoraxes were also made of leather. You can use cheap linen and PVA glue to get similar rigidity, It won't be battle ready but it'll be more than enough for larp. You need to basically soak the fabric in it and lay it together in sheets.

>>7779298
well I readily confess that I don't know that much about the classical era. Doesn't even like it that much.

>>7779306
He could just man up and get muscle plate.

>>7779312
who?

>>7779316
The guy.

>>7779320
which one?

>>7779325
all of them

>>7779329
nah, muscle plate is gay. And that's coming from someone who want way more ostrich feather on his stuff

>>7779331
It's ancient greece, Everything is fabulous. That just makes you even more manly when you wear it.

>>7779339
let me show you what IS fabulus

>>7779353

please, more fabulous landsknechts!

>>7779371
Not landsknecht exactly, but here is a kampfrau.

>>7779427
Someone needs to do one of these for landsknecht or a Greek or Roman soldier. Or pretty much any era not already done by the original project. New sca historical inspired larpers meme? Badass version of the "whats in your purse" meme?

>>7779371

>>7779287
Holy hell. We might be under the reign of King Gropey if he wins.

Don't know if want.

>>7779427

I am German....funnily enough, I know the word kampfrau only from english boards.

>>7779445
we will probably do it later. Maybe during winter. But we are still not satisfied with our stuff so there is that...
this is the current state of my cvloth for example and while it's not that bad it still has a fuckton of small little problems that needs to be corrected

>>7779473
isn't german a language where you can put together words however you want and the resulting thing would be a grammatically acceptable word?

>>7779487

Yes, it is. Marvellous words have been created that way :-D

But, at least according to my knowledge (I know only a little middle german) you can not use the word camp in german. At least today, what you mean by camp is called "Lager".

>>7779487
>that leg
So sexy.
And I thought that was English as well. It's how we got the term 'jeggings'

>>7779502
well I wouldn't be surprised if it's some fuck up that a historian made 50-100 years ago and everyone just rolled with it since. stranger things happened.
Although that it was a word they used back in that period is possible too

>>7779513

Could be.

But the correct term is "Trossfrau". The "Tross" is what you call the baggage train.

>>7779536
I have to learn german until next year's drachenfest...

also if I'm already posting landsknechts there is something important to know about them:
There is two, absolutely necessary things that a Landsknecht must have.
1. some kind of head-wear, like a hat or helmet or something. Must be fabulous too.
2. a mug

Everything else is optional.
Or as the saying goes: War is not a reason to wear pants.
... although the provost might disagree sometimes

and another important thing. The stuff I posted so far are kind of authentic landsknechts with a lot of warhammer fantasy version mixed in.
But even the authentic ones are somewhere around middle 16th century ones. When the landsknechte became a thing at first they didn't had so much fabulous cloths, the clothing "evolved" through the years. Also they didn't had the Holy Roman Emperors decree either that they are an exception from every clothing law ever.

On pic: kind of late 15th century landsknechts

>>7779272
>>7779470
I would be surprised if he was going for king. He hasn't mentioned it and has commented on how busy he is and being royalty takes alot of time. He also once told a sad sad story about planning on making a sick friend queenand about how she died before the tournament happened.

Could be true I guess. He's currently in the kingdom of Atlantia.

>>7779473
>>7779513
>well I wouldn't be surprised if it's some fuck up that a historian made 50-100 years ago and everyone just rolled with it since

That wouldn't surprise me either. I'd like to know if that is the case because I hate that sort of popular historical fallacy.

>>7779479
Sounds wonderful make sure to post it.

>>7779693

>That wouldn't surprise me either. I'd like to know if that is the case because I hate that sort of popular historical fallacy.

Like I said: It is possible, but usually we call it a Trossfrau. The word Tross is used since the 13th century - so I am quite sure "Kampfrau" is one of these historical fallacies.

>>7779741
but on the other hand it's like chainmail. You can't really weed it out, too many people use it and if you use the technically correct term then they just don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Although terminology words are always a huge clusterfuck. And then you realize it's a huge clusterfuck in every language but in a different way every time

>>7779753

b...b...but Muh German!

>>7778489
SEND MORE GREEKS!

>>7779470
>>7779693
...What do you mean KING Gropey? Thats a terrifying thought in its own right.

>>7779772
Gropey is part of the SCA. The sca is divided into kingdoms ruled by a king and queen. Said king and queen rule for half a year. Kings are chosen by combat at a tourney and queens are their chosen consort. So yes if gropey chose to enter said contest and won then yes he could be crowned king.

>>7779801
So does that mean hypotheticaly, that he will have unlimited power for 6 months?

This is either the best thing ever, or the worst thing ever

>>7779801
So what does being king mean? Is it just a title or does he actually get to do stuff.

>>7778430
>argive style shield
>upper strap near edge, not center
Let me guess. You call it "hoplon", right?

>>7778426
>more fantasy
spikes. spikes everywhere

>>7779801
How does one become king?

OP sheet metal is cheap and I mean like a whole sheet as are tin snips alpha the fuck up and make some segment mail its really really really simple

>>7779875
Its called an aspis.

>>7779298
They call the leather version a spolas. I am interested in a leather version yet that would be expensive.

>>7779850
>>7779853
Take this all with a grain of salt as I am still fairly new to the SCA.

Kings and Queens set the tone of the "game" for their kingdom. So they could decide that every event should have dancing, or that there will be 5 yule events this year etc. that's what will happen. That said they are restricted by the SCA bylaws and local laws, and members can vote with their feet if the royalty is being too overbearing.

Other then setting the tone they give out awards and add circumstance and pomp to events.

Like I said, pinch of salt. Gropey or any other more long standing member probably would be better at explaining.

>>7780027
Kings are chosen on a bi-yearly basis with a tourney. So if you win the crown Tourney you are king (and your consort is Queen). Atleast in the east kingdom the previous reigning king gets to set the standards for the tourney (what weapons will be used etc.)

>>7780045
>>7779875
Also that shield is not for a traditional Greek hoplite its not historical

>>7779762
In the days that we could

>>7780060
Has anyone tried turning their SCA region of choice into a medieval republic, ie: Venice, Genoa, Switzerland, Novgorod, Hanseatic League, or an elective monarchy, ie: Poland, HRE, or at least fluff it like that? For some reason it's always irked me that those are given bugger all coverage in media.

Making my gambeson's getting tiring, fucked up quilting the first piece now I'm unpicking and starting again, not helping matters is that all I want to do make some armor, it's all I think about. I'm worried if I'm going to need a forge as well, would I need a forge for:

Coat of Plates.
Scale.
Splint Vambraces/Greaves.
Plate Vambraces/Greaves.
Tassets.
Munition Cuirass.

>>7780147
Whats wrong, can't handle KING GROPEY?!

>>7780027

Alternatively, a moistened bint lobs a scimitar in your general direction.

>>7780294
I suppose Doge Gropey or Statthalter Gropey doesn't quite have the same ring, I'll admit.

I also want to make a scaled composite helmet like shown in red yet how would I make one? Would it be sow the scales onto a cloth piece then put over the bowl of the helm or just make it out of leather and put to hinged cheek pieces on ?

I would like this design but larger on a shield seeing as he would have been on a ship

>>7778938

>Reasoning

Mostly because cheap and "good enough".
Blacksmiths are not a common thing in western Europe (and therefore, Always expensive), and people feel a great deal of mistrust towards ordering from eastern Europe.

As for myself, I have a great deal of mistrust towards the idea of "custom made to size", without actually having physically been there.

>>7779265

>Always the codpiece

anyone have any sweet Greek or Roman Larp pics?

>>7780797
for a strange reason , greek or roman are not really in fashion here, Gaul are tho

>>7780819
I havent seen many Larps with Greek aspects I notice the only pictures I see seem to come from the same source. These ones

>>7779312
>>7779339

>>7780376
He's Italian, so Doge would fit.

>>7780826
there was a dude who had greek garb at bico with his wife.

he's a powelifter and oiled his body before every battle, his wife was also a greek and her daugther too.

They only came one year sadly

But i remember one morning i was eating bread while dressed up as a Templar Sargeant and that little girl came to me and asked a bite

i lowered the bread as to say, take some with your hands and she just bited the bread while looking at me directly in the eyes

Her mother just looked at me laughing and said
''Sorry, it's just that we told her that the red crosses are friend to be trusted''

Make a lot of difference from all these ass' creed worshiper that say to their kids
''the templars are baaaad''

this year i killed 9 different kids with my dagger before they could try to hit me with their sword that unfit parents let them have to piss of adults

Fuck kids

Pic unrelated, it's all the feel i have because i miss one thing in particular at Bico

>>7780834
I am Greek as well so that is why I am interested .

>>7780826
That's because one of the fest events in england is a mythic setting larp, A few of us on here go and so we tend to be the only ones posting pictures.

>>7780845
As usual I post Persians at inappropriate times, Heres more greek.

>>7780842
Where are you based?

>>7780845
>>7780846
Sadly I live in California yet I went to England for vacation many times but the last time was for the Olympics. Where is the mythic setting located in which part of England?

>>7780850
Northampton, Midlands.

This might be of interest to you: http://odyssey.profounddecisions.co.uk/index.php?title=Main_Page

>>7780854
Thanks

Boy I would love to get my hands on this

>>7780855
KoA is an american company, I see no reason why not!

>>7780855
http://www.armae.com/

it's in French but , take a look.
You migth find your next big love

a love that will empty your wallet
But dont they all?

>>7780856
Two hundred dollars is too much for now since I am first saving for my greaves,shield, and armor.
(one shield made of wood and faced with linen and one for larping)

>>7780860
Some of the stuff on there is so beautiful yet its pretty costly especially once its changed to USD.

>>7780862
Plus I need to make some weapons.

A scaled helmet would be something different to see.

>>7780793
>As for myself, I have a great deal of mistrust towards the idea of "custom made to size", without actually having physically been there.
I can totally understand that and I wouldn't want it either. But if the only other option is a "one size that fits none" then I would try my luck with doing the measurements over mail. Plus if you have a fairly matching armor it's easier to correct it by someone who is at least a dabbling blacksmith

And about blacksmiths, yeah eastern europe has way more, but the really famous ones (who is expensive because they are good) are usually from western europe. Although I'm pretty sure you can find ordinary ones in villages and such. The key is contacting the local reenactment groups and finding out where they get their stuff, probably they will know a few blacksmith in the general area

bumping with cool pics of Greek quivers.

>>7780796
what's the matter with it?

>>7780834
little girls are the most dangerous. They are even more of a murderhobo than little boys

>>7780905

It's distracting.

>>7780905
It's nauseating.

Partying, Quebec's way

>>7780968
>>7780971
good. That means it's working

>>7781005
15 years ago the public would not have been prepared for balkan style yougurt.

people told them the public would never be prepared enough for this bitter taste.

Poor souls...they were so wrongly led to believe that.

Now, the Yogurt war is about to begin.

The drums of wars, echoes yet again
(Cue WoW intro video music)

>>7780902

still interested in armourmaker-contacts ;-)

>>7781010
I know but our blacksmith didn't answered since then. Weren't even online, sometimes he do that.
I hope that I can give you an answer today

>>7781014

No problem.

Currently lokking at wulflund.com, any experience with their stuff? Looks okay.

>>7781022
don't have experience with them but looks good. the gauntlet for example for 95 euro with included leather gloves totally worth it.
Although it's kind of thin... So the "fully usable in battles" part is only technically correct. You CAN use it in battles against steel weapons but then I hope you are not too emotionally attached to your fingers.

The rest of the stuff is little overpriced here and there but you can find really good deals too, although I just skimmed through of their list (as I see most of their checz stuff are good, de beforementioned gauntlet worth it and there is a gothich bevor too which is kind of expensinve but looks like something that worth it if you are into gothic stuff). The designs overall looks good with a few problems here and there and as I said they are kind of thin. It will be probably good for larping although, don't try reenactment or live steel fighting with these

>>7781034

Usually I do not settle for "it is good enough for larping", though. If it does not have the protective value it looks like, I usually skip it.

I am especially lokking for gorget+pauldrons

>>7781038
what I can say for experience is that you MUST try on a gorget before buying. gorgets are kind of the most important part for your comfort and sometimes the whole breastplate and backplate sitting on it too so if it's not comfortable then everything goes to shit. Pauldrons are easier because even if it's a little too large with enough padding you can make it comfortable and work around it.

>>7781040
he's rigth

This gorget rigth here was too big and got in the way all the time, i ended up selling it to a guy

>>7781040

Hmmm, okay, that is pretty difficult then...

>>7781072
well, you can always get lucky or something but it's better to be prepared for the worst

>>7781091

I wanted to go for a pretty unhistoric look with Gambeson, chainmail plate gorget with pauldrons and a hardened leather plate covering the Thorax (maybe two layers, so thickness somewhere in the 12mm). I will possibly dye the leather in company colours.

So I guess the first thing to buy is butted chain armor that fits over my Gambeson.

>>7779487
Its also a language that, if said with the right tone, can make any you say sound like a threat against your life - ANYTHING!

>>7781280
*against SOMEONES life

>>7781280

I've heard many people say the same. But, German being my first language, I can't really judge how German sounds to other people.

Fahrvergnügen, jetzt!

>>7781296

Flemish here. You sound harsh and commanding, in general, though I do find it prettier to listen to than actual Dutch Dutch

>>7781010
alright, successfully talked with our blacksmith and have sad news.
Right now he don't know any blacksmith germany that would be good for your requirements, although that's mainly because he don't know THAT much german blacksmiths. Although he said that he will look into it if he has time.

but there are a few other possibilities.
First of all as I mentioned before, try to contact local reenactor groups close to you, they will probably have more information about blacksmiths.

Other possibility is to look up the local SCA groups they know the local blacksmiths too most of the time (and if I'm not mistaken SCA groups exists in germany)

And there is the distant possibility that because of some kind of magic you might want to order it from our blacksmith, he could do it for you a black and white gorget+pauldrons, similar that on the pic for roughly 130 euro although it could be cheaper or more expensive depending on what you want. But as you said and as I said and as he agrees it's way better to find someone relatively close to you where you can try it on and fit it for you while you personally there.

>>7781806

...

Come again?

He would make that set for under 200 euros?

200 wouldn't cover an unadorned breastplate over here. Hot damn, even with transport, that's a steal.

I'll keep that in mind, Hungarian. When my current larp armour inevitably goes down the shitter.

So I want to get into larping yet never have. One question I have is what weapons and shields are used? I've seen pictures of some with swords that look like steel but others that are just round padded things. Why are they both used as in what are the advantages to them? Also with shields are wooden ones used or what are they made of?

So because I'm awesome, Some german blacksmiths:

http://www.plattner-siefert.de/
Wimmer-Arts.
http://www.armorymarek.com/
Max bertet

Are some places to start looking for good bespoke stuff, At least so I'm told.

>>7782801

It depends heavily on the region and on the LARP in question.

In western Europe, you'll mostly find the steel looking latex weapons, the round padded things being limited to siege weapons and lances made for stabbing in the UK.
The steel looking latex ones are safe enough, and their greatest advantage is that they look smashing.

The boffer dildos, or padded tubes, are more commonly found in the States. They're mostly being used because they're cheap as fuck, easy to make, and considered safer, especially with an audience that tends to not wear armour.
They're also used because organisers want to avoid legal liability where a storebought latex sword can, heaven forbid, cause bruises or a bloody lip.
Not gonna lie, getting hit by a Calimacil sword on bare skin or simple cloth can sting.

Shields can be bought in the same latex that the swords are made of, or they can be made at home out of wood or acrylic glass, or sheet metal, but homemade ones will always need a layer of padding on the edges. Tube insulation will suffice.

>>7782822
In the UK Stab spears aren't the round stabby dildo spears, They tend to look like pic related.

From what I understand of the differences between american and euro larp, In america they don't pull their blows and treat the game like a fight sport, They also stab with non stab compliant weapons; Hence why they think latex weapons aren't safe.

>>7782822
>>7782822
Hmmm well thats interesting but I hate the look of the boffers they just ooze the already prominent stereotype that larps are for nerdy teens

>>7782827

Depending on the mainland larp, they don't pull their blows either, though. Belgium and northern France are very much like that, treating it like a sport.
Of course, they expect you to wear armour, and there's no stabbing, no way, no how.

>>7782838

Well, there's Stateside larps with a higher standard of equipment, to be sure. You'll just have to settle for driving a ways to get there.

I don't think any of them are watching this thread, but Frenadian and Gropey can probably point you in the right direction if you hop into a /tg/ larp thread.

>>7782691
well, it's Eastern Europe, our economy is shit so there is that (and as I said he works really cheap. He just raised his prices a little but we are still assume that he has close to zero economical sense. But we try to help him wherever we can). Also another thing to keep in mind that right now he is full with orders, but somewhere around november-december he will have more time

Although keep in mind that he mostly makes munitions grade stuff which means it won't be beautiful or symmetric most of the time. Although what most people forget even the stuff that the nobles had back in the day wasn't perfectly symmetric or spotless. Or as we say it "If it was good enough for the Spanish king it's good enough for us"

i've done some Hema and I would like to know if any of that can would translate well to larping

>>7782822
>Not gonna lie, getting hit by a Calimacil sword on bare skin or simple cloth can sting.
that's true but latex weapons are still safer than the home made boffers. Well if you talk about boffers not the ultralight stuff, that is.
One guy even made a few measurements how much power they transfer IRRC

>>7782827
>From what I understand of the differences between american and euro larp, In america they don't pull their blows and treat the game like a fight sport, They also stab with non stab compliant weapons; Hence why they think latex weapons aren't safe.
there is a lot more differences, and not just in equipment but in culture, rules, etc.
And yes some of the games there are even proud that you can and should hit as hard as you can but on the other hand these games are mostly uses ultra light weaponry which is like fighting with an empty pillowcase cut in half.
Also most of these games are technically not larp (Dagorhir, Amtgard, etc)

But again by US larp we speak nearly about a continent and things differ from game to game, same in the Europe. There are trends, sure but you can always find an exception.
Also somehow people only mean the fantasy larps when they say larp and forget that's just a small fraction of the existing larps

>>7782871

Only in the way that the improved reflexes, speed, strength and stances would.

The actualy motions you made with your weapons mean dick (sadly), because your weapons are not made of wood and steel, and do not react like wood and steel.

To give an idea, a battleaxe or arming sword are about the same weight as a dagger or quarterstaff, and just about as wieldy, too. Also, everything fucking bounces.

>>7782883
What about people using the rawlings synthetics?

>>7782884

If you're asking if there's larps that use them, I have yet to encounter one.

If you're asking if those are closer to larp weapons or actual weapons, I'd say they're closer to actual weapons.

Also, keep in mind that there's shit you're straight up not allowed to do, like hooking an enemy's weapon, or sliding your blade along theirs, for fear of damaging the weapons.

I love larps, but at the end of the day, we're just playing a game with toys that break easily.

>>7782871
some of it could translate to larping but there is a few problems:
completely different weapons. I mean a boffer or latex weapon behaves differently than a steel one. It's way harder to bind as most of the time when two swords hit they just bounce of each other. Not that hardly but still enough to not bind.
Then a lot of things are forbidden. close combat like binding and throwing is most of the time not allowed although that could change from game to game. Head, neck and groin areas are not forbidden to hit for safety reasons generally, although sometimes there are more restricted areas, like the hands or the breast area for girls.
And you will get stuff like the HP systems that most of the US games uses where you have X amount of HP and the weapons do Y amount of damage (every weapon a different one mostly) and if you have enough HP then you can just soak up a few hits while you get close and start stabby time with two short weapons, etc
Plus there is the fact that people can backstab you, or shoot you with arrows or with magic, ect.

This autralian dude in the Order of the Stag did a review of this year Bicolline.

>>7782886
>>7782887
So then I take it that shield bashing would most likely be off limits?

>>7782888
and i forgot the link like a dumbass

https://word.office.live.com/wv/WordView.aspx?FBsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdownload%2Ffile_preview.php%3Fid%3D1534613526772630%26time%3D1409122707%26metadata&access_token=602688493%3AAVLOXcgHFvC-S7Hb2WKq3Bd_WD5RId4_EUVlw1Un5JP1yw&title=The+Voyage+to+Bicolline+-+Part+1.docx

>>7782891
>>7782888
Very cool seems like that would be interesting to join

>>7782889
most of the time, yes. Although as I said earlier, there are always exceptions

>>7782891

That Templar has a popped collar on his gamby, I bet he gets all the maidens.

>>7782889

It depends on the larp, but it's generally out.

The only exception I know is a mass larp that allows shield pushing if both contestants have a wooden shield

Latex larp shields damage too easily when smacking it against armour, and against someone not wearing armour, you might as well be straight up punching them.

And as has been hinted at in the thread, larp armour generally cannot stand up against a shield bash from an actual shield.

>>7780797

>>7783288

>>7782804

Thanks for the links!

Not to say that the stuff of Mr. Siefert is not worth its price, considering his work. But it is way out of my league, sadly.

Someone page Clownbro to this thread?

Fanboy.

>>7784194
I already did it when he was first mentioned. Sadly he doesn't have much freetime nowdays

>>7784219
What could possibly be more important than 4chan?

>>7784225
/tg/

>>7784225
>What could possibly be more important than 4chan?

1:His fancy new dayjob.
2:The girl he's wooing.
3:The larp he's working on.
4:Secret clown business.

>>7784240
Excuses!

>>7784240
>Secret clown business
I'd personally assume this is something to do with Slaanesh

>>7784516
Whats slaanesh?

>>7784543
Chaos god of pleasure and depravity

>>7784552
OoooKay... Good luck with that.

>>7784647
Fictional chaos god(ess) of chaos.

From warhammer, it's a bit of a /tg/ meme.

>picture not related, lady landsknecht

>>7784663
I really need to find a good picture saying something along the lines of "Oh, Why hello there beautiful"

Braies done.
Undershirt done.
Seperate hosen done.
Up next, the surcote.
Then a doublet if there is time.

Pictures soon.

>>7784663

>Picture not related

But it is. That's not clothing, sis.

>>7784898
>That's not clothing
oh but it is

>>7785047

I need me then snazzy shoes the Red'nGreen dude is wearing.

>>7785057
fairly standard shoes during the period when Landsknechts existed. Although I can't remember the name... maybe Kuhmaulschuhe?

So does anyone have any links to good "how to" for armor making?

>>7785120

Yep, Kuhmaulschuhe.

>>7785125

What kind of armour are you looking to make?

Lamellar? Scale? Metal or Leather? Plate? Chain? Gambeson?

>>7784898
Related to the thread not related to the explanation of slaanesh.

>>7785429
I'm pretty sure he meant that because the the girl looked so good it's clearly related to slaneesh

>>7785550
Knowing Gropes, it would be a faun.

>>7786102
I'm pretty sure there was a Landsknecht on the picture not a faun

Falling in love at a Larp... what a bad idea


Pic somewhat related but it's pretty deep

>>7785139
A simple metal cuirass

So.... Hey hey kids. Whats up?

So where would be the best site to get larp weapons?

>>7786731
So much...so..godamn much

Pic unrelated : Fuk your ork face !

>>7786665

Sadly, there's nothing simple about making a metal cuirass, even if it looks simple.

The only decent way of making a decent cuirass/breastplate out of metal is by forging one.

The other option is...

>Make cuirass out of paper
>Bring paper to metalworks
>Have it drafted (drafters hate this kind of bullshit, I promise you)
>Have it cut out of sheetmetal (by laser, water, whatever)
>Have it dished into a non-standard shape

The problem there is that it will be ridiculously expensive due to the drafter's salary, and having it dished into a non standard shape.
Sheetmetal also looks nothing like forged armour.
And all the edges will be sharp, since you can't hem the damn thing.
You could hammer it into shape to keep expenses down, if you're bullheaded, but it's hard and long work for a finished product that will not resemble medieval armor.
You could also pick up some metal sheets and metal shears, but anything you can cut by hand will be less than 1mm thick. On the plus side, this means it will be easy to hammer into shape. On the downside, a simply fall will deform your armor and potentially give you nasty cuts.
You can take the sting off the armor's edge by hemming it with leather, but that means you'll also have to have small holes cut along the edge for your thread to go through. This will drive up expense for lasercutting, and drive your drafter into a fit of rage.

>>7786845
Well I have some tools where I could cut sheet metal where it would be an alright thickness I just need the type of metal, thickness, and designs.

Anyone know any Larps near Glendora in SoCal?

>>7786889

St.37 or QSTE240 is more than good enough for anything cosplay or larp. A thickness of 1.5mm is ideal, 1mm will do. Less than 1 is prone to bending.

If you want to make it stainless, plain 304 will do. If you want to go leightweight, you could attempt it with AlMg3 (aluminium), though that might crack when hammered.

I'll look for some designs, I know I have them somewhere.

>>7786917
Oh thanks. I can't really find much that would help

>>7786739
http://www.calimacil.com/

then again they are rather expensive and I wouldn't recommend a calimacil weapon as your first weapon. But you asked for the best so there is that

>>7786918

I have to stress not to use any of that in reenactment battles, though.

It will -not- hold up against that kind of punishment.

>>7786923
Geez for those prices I could almost buy a real sword from kult of athena.

>>7786889
http://www.armourarchive.org/ could help you among other things

>>7786926
yeah but most latex swords will be damaged or unuseable after a one or two years, while calimacil weapons will last through your life if you don't do anything stupid with it (anything that they were not designed for)

>>7786929
Well they look very nice and it wouldnt be that bad if they are made well.
Thanks for the diagrams

>>7786918

http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/breastplate_sinric/

There's more intricate and complicated breastplates on that site, but the one you're looking to make is this one, I believe.

also keep in mind these diagrams just showed one particular kind of armor there is literally a fuckton of different ones out there so here is something more generic to see the portions

>>7786941
Something like that is what I was looking for thanks

I wonder what a Greek muscle cuirass would look like over chainmail.

Those pattern/assembly images are pretty awesome even if you don't larp. The breakdown and basic shape of the armor is useful for a lot of cosplayers, even if they work in foam or worbla.

>>7787012
I repost them every once in a while but the problem is most of the fantasy stuff doesn't look like this. At all. So if someone has tries to be as accurate to a character as possible then these things doesn't help much because the characters equipment usually not functional IRL at all. Especially the armor. And if you try to make it functional (I use the term here in a sense that it will be comfortable and easy to move in it) then it won't look the same

>>7787014
I dunno, I've seen some pretty sad "take a piece of foam and don't shape it at all" armor because people can't figure out the 3D shape. So even if this doesn't give an exact pattern for everything, it still gets the general idea of the shapes you need: like arms aren't tubes, you have to roll a trapezoid.

>>7787006
or a linothorax

>>7787037

>Wearing a linothorax over chainmail

When combined with metal, the linothorax was worn under the breastplate. It functioned as gambesons and arming jackets functioned in later eras.

Wearing one over metal would make no sense, and look silly.

>>7786929
>while calimacil weapons will last through your life

Only if you gently tap your opponent
If you play at Bicolline or Gn de Guerre, it will break eventually, like all weapons does

Mine broke on a shield... i loved that sword
still, it lasted me 2 battle filled years

>>7787430
so far nothing like that happened here, we use it hard too but not mindlessly.

>>7787442

It migth be the frequency of use
these 2 years i did in total 2 grand battle, and atleast 10 Gn de Guerre and around 6 Campaings

all of that are battle intensive scenarios
for me the rod just broke over time from striking and defending with it

>>7787446
we use it frequently to train with them so it never really gathers dust here either.

>>7780830
i thought he was a gyppo?

>>7787454
those two are not THAT different

>>7787454
Italian/Romani and reenacts Italian.

And if its true, thats KING Gropey to you, peasant! Long live king clownfag!

>>7787063
>when combined with metal, the linothorax was worn under the breastplate.

I don't know any ancient souces that put a linothorax underneath a bronze cuirass. I am merely saying on the appearance of chainmail under an adorned linothorax would be an interesting combination for a larp.

>>7788221
>thats KING Gropey to you, peasant! Long live king clownfag!
Only if the rumor is true he's competing for crown and if he wins.

>As the King of the East once said: To be King you don't have to be the best fighter, you have to be a good fighter and have a really good day.

>>7788279
As an Atlantianfag, think Gropey would make a brotier ruler. He can't be worse than William Thomas.

>>7788278
It would actually look a lot more roman than greek, we've mixed Gambies and greek cuirasses before and it looked pretty good.

>>7788279
He's a decent fighter, if lazy with his technique when fighting the less skilled. If he manages to get out there with dagger vs dagger then he'll rape face.

>>7788333
Willy-t is a chodebag

>>7789644
>if lazy with his technique when fighting the less skilled

Sure? the less skilled are less predictable so you have to be quick to end this figth

But then again i'm not a man of duel i figth on a battle line where i can easily spot newbies and it's easy to taunt them to attack , leaving them open for conter-attack and once they are down it's a matter of time before their friends fall down too because of the broken line

>>7789657
Crown is all 1 vs 1. When I mean lazy, I mean he'll leave his shield low and throw shots without force just to toy with the guy. I was taught to treat every fight like the finals, and every melee like a real battle.

>>7789737
Ahh i get it, for me being lazy is NOT toying with the enemy

but yeah, maybe it's because he's a young veteran and the newbie in front of him know that and figthing a veteran (even at bico) is something that migth scare you a bit when you know about his skills.
Pic related : This guy...this motherfucking guy is a dude i would not like to face in battle

>>7791165
>>7791172
Really nice pics. I wish there were more Greek/Roman Larps

>>7791286

>>7791306
I really like those gladii

>>7791316
I like those spears anyone know where to get them.

>>7791323
Saxon Violence and Light Armouries are pretty good.

>>7791385
oh okay

>not having greaves that stick to the leg from pure springyiness of the metal

>>7791385
You making it to the next Empire?

>>7791323
Almost every spear in that picture is saxon violence

>>7791426
I AM!

>>7791492
It should be a good one. Rumour has it, that there will be two serious bids for the Throne this summit.

>>7791520
I'm not getting political at all, just gonna rock the day mage stuff.

>>7791545
I'm only dabbling in politics, but I'm getting dragged into it due to being OOC friends with folks deeply into the politics, and getting pushed towards IC positions.

>>7791426
Yeah, will be there in the Marches. Propping up the bar in the Applewood Arms. I don't really get involved with the political side either, i prefer to fight and go hunting for plot. Also taking part in the Brass Coast festival of the Broken Wheel. Wassail is a bit dull for my tastes!

>>7788278

While it might easily look good (I've seen one guy who does it constantly, but he's expressively asked not to have his picture taken or put online at every event), it still makes no sense.

He knows and does it for flair, wearing a gambeson, then a chainmail, then a leather linothorax for shits and giggles.

Still though, no point. It would get cut to ribbons moments into a battle. My autism just wants to point that out.

>>7792240
How would it get cut to ribbons? The linothorax works against being slashed and even if it was penetrated if it had chain mail underneath would that just serve as more armor?

>>7791426
Yup, looking forward to the feast of the broken wheel for shenanigans.
>>7791520
I knew about one bid for the Throne from Dawn, but I haven't heard about any others...

>>7792330

>Works against being slashed

It doesn't work as it does in games or popular media. It was mostly worn as protection against impact beneath armour, or as protection from the elements (like those leather trousers cowherds wore over their actual pants).
Leather armour of the day was no better protection than a leather coat you can buy in stores right now, unless it was layered (lamellar and such), which a linothorax wasn't.

Any emergency ward can tell you that a leather jacket does fuck all in knife fights, whether stabbed or slashed at.

Boiled leather was little better. It was better, to be sure, but hardened leather only stays hardened for as long as it doesn't get wet. Along with its strength at absorbing shocks, this was one of the reasons why it was worn underneath the armour.

>>7792482

Also used as the outside layer of padded armour, or brigandine/jack of plates. Because all leather "armour" really was is "better than cheap cloth", and decently woven cloth overtakes its use, easily.

>>7792482
>>7792490
I don't know if you have studied much into Greek Hoplite history but a linothorax also known as a spolas for the leather version was worn over the chiton and was sufficient armor of the day. If you take a look at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdbk_NfpIw4 you will see a video done at a university about it showing that yes it did protect against slashing and arrow. It was made of quilted and glued linen(the most plausible theory of of now). It works against slashes and arrows as shown in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cTnntgMO8o

>>7792482
>>7792490

> It was mostly worn as protection against impact beneath armour, or as protection from the elements

It was not actually used like that since it was worn over the regular clothes. Also not worn under any armor as it was armor.


>Because all leather "armour" really was is "better than CHEAP CLOTH"

This is also false as boiled leather was used as armor and many people in ancient times used leather armor.

>>7792512

>Not protection against elements because it was worn over regular clothes

I dunno about you, but I tend to wear my raincoat over my regular clothes.

Leather armor was worn under the popular "muscle cuirass", as it was the best padding available at the time.

Though, true, that doesn't discount the fact that it was worn seperately

>Boiled leather was used as armor and many people in ancient...

Because it was better than just standing there in your skivvies. This doesn't mean it was effectual armor

>>7792522
Its main purpose was to protect the body during combat.

Name one source showing that it was worn under a cuirass. Even Alexander the Great was shown to be wearing a linothorax of sorts.

If it was not effectual armor why was it worn then? If it didn't work people would not have used it.

>>7792505

Can't watch right now, since I'm at work, have a tl;dw?

If it's about the cloth linothorax (my apologies, I'll use spolas to refer to the leather), then I've no gripe with that. quilted and layered armour was massively effective, specifically because it was layered/quilted. The seperate strands overlapping and entwining was far more difficult to take apart than a few layers of leather.

fully, unlayered, leather armour is much different, though, as even boiled leather is taken apart cleanly by any sharp weapon. Even layered leather armour needed its layers repaired/replaced after seeing combat.

So I still stand by the idea that wearing leather armour over your chain is pretty damn useless.

>>7792528

>One source

It appears I was wrong. It was either this or a cuirass with a different type of padding beneath it, or a linothorax.

>Why was it worn then?

Linothorax aside, and talking about leather armor in general, because it was better than cloth/nothing. That's still no reason to wear it over anything vastly improved like chain, lamellar, or jack of plates. It stops nothing that the metal armour with padding beneath it wouldn't stop

>>7792541

Either a cuirass with different padding or a linothorax*

>>7792533
The video basically shows the depictions of the linothorax, sources,and test footage on various weapons of the time.

Well a leather spolas would have been reinforced with either metal scales or other materials probably faced with some layers of linen as well. The idea is that since leather was easily accessible from cattle that it would serve as a substitute with reinforcement. If you put a couple layers of linen and then some scales the leather would then become more useful. (thats the theory).

>>7792541
lamellar was basically scales for the Greeks,Jack of plates was not used till much later in history and chainmail was invented in what 400 B.C.E while the linothorax was depicted from around 600 B.C.E. So you have to look at the historical records and the type of weapons used against it.

>>7792341
The other two vaguely serious ones are one from Highguard and one from Wintermark.

>>7793106
Don't think the Marchers are putting anyone forward. I love the Festival of Heresy. I can't really afford to be arrested by the militia as I have just been promoted to adjutent. Not like that will stop me however.

>>7793142
Where on the wiki is the documentation for the festivals? First time hearing about them.

>>7793313
http://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/empire-wiki/The_Brass_Coast_religious_beliefs

>>7792505
>>7792533
Basically, Linothoraxes are much better than you think; It's like they used them for hundreds of years for a reason.

>>7793366
Thanks!

>>7793142
I think the Marchers lost a fair bit of political weight with the whole Jotun treaty debacle.

I might drop by the Broken Wheel festival to see if anything kicks off :D

>>7793313
Kentish! We're apparently getting 2 additional Egregores!

Look at that!

I can also be a generic dude

Upéhes TheBrown

>>7793495
I just read, Wintermark historically always had the broest egregores, should be good to see who how it goes. Doesn't it contradict the whole "We are three but we are one" vibe though?

>>7793574
Kinda, but I think it's partly because Wintermark is so fucking big and will allow the Egregores to really stand out as they can go full on with their Tradition trappings rather having one that's a mish-mash of all 3

>>7793496
>I can also be a generic dude

That is just strange.

Also that's the gambeson you found at the street festival right? Looks good, nice find.

>>7793600
I wanted to try being a footman in the army during a skirmish.

Eventually i got wounded when a javelin got into my tigth. but i still managed to do a good work of holding the line , i borrowed a plain shield to be as anonymous as possible in that sea of people.

Did not work for long, the emperor came to me during movement to talk about tactics and i was like...nope...i'm not who you think i am rigth now...i'm a simple footman.

>>7793496
>>7793618
Still looks pretty damn good.

>>7793626
i'll be making a ''Petite Noblesse'' Suit pretty soon.

I'm actually looking forward being able to wear a nice Woolen cape for those rainy nigths and something else to wear than my templar suit who is perfect for hot temperatures but shitty for cold if the cape is wet

Pic related: one of those hot days, guess who's not figthing half naked (or with a barrel as ''armor'')

>>7793496
>generic
>no cape
>no all black
>no dicksword

step up your game

>>7793695
i could put one of my band t-shirt backward and have a cape...i'd look like a thief if i put a bandana also!

You there, what is your profession?

>>7794877
I'm Strategoi, I also wore your mantle Leonidas. It smelt of spartan dog.

>>7793824
but you didn't do it.

>>7794887
To be fair though it was pretty comfy.

>>7793824
Why is it always Band tshirts?

>>7794890
band shirts give you +1 armor and if it's a heavy metal band or the logo has a lot of blood/skulls/etc then +1 charisma too while drunk

Anyone have any pics of boeotian shields that people have made?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeKuy36OG_g

at my very first larp i wore a generic tabard over a band t-shirt, army pants and blue combat boots.

And i told the Gm that my name was Jorvak ( because j r v and k are letters that sound medievalish in a 15yo head) and tbe dm just called me jorvik all nigth.

t'was the story of little noob me

pic unrelated : a wench in my armor

>>7794927
forgot the pic like the noob i once was


fallow ur drams kidz

>>7794927

Ah, mon cher Gardakan.

also we are reaching autosage in the next post.
should I start a new thread on /tg/?

>>7794930
lewd

>>7795292
Hehehehe
Quel est votre proféssion?
Quel est votre nom?
Quel est votre couleur préféré?

>>7795551
Yes please do and post the link

>>7795552
One would happily put some holy chrism on that

>>>/tg/34592826

new thread on /tg/