/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7730671
Idk this is hardly casual. A sweater doesn't make it casual it just means it was cold out...

>>7730702
idk, it has a really cosy feel to it that I wouldn't normally associate with dressed-up lolita.

I really want to get into toned down lolita or otome. I'm getting my first pieces together and I'm a little scared, but mostly excited

Just Fanny Rosie in general.

>>7730762

>>7730766

>>7730762
Fannie is generally concise red classic, not casual.

>>7730774
*considered

>>7730772

>>7730774
Yes, I see from where are you coming from, but Fanny has many outfits which I would say are more casual/otome than actual lolita.

>>7730774
>>7730777
She's definitely very toned down compared to many in the sense that she's very workplace-appropriate.

>>7730774
Fanny's style is pretty casual. Even she tags a lot of her outfits as otome. Doesn't make them any less elegant but they are quote toned down for lolita.

>>7730763
>>7730768
Why is this girl so freakishly tall? Why is her kitchen so tiny? This is weirding me out.

>>7729124

also,
>>7730761
>>7730768
these are fucking hideous and not otome or "casual" lolita. I'm only giving >>7730763 a pass because it looks really incomplete, but damn she could've at last taken the stupid house shoes off. This girl needs to fucking stop until she can actually pick a style and do it well.

>>7730822
Pffft shut up and learn to casual wear.

>>7730763
>>7730761
>>7730864

Is pretty much the definition of casual sweet lolita while Fannie is casual classic. Even within the style of 'casual' you still have the general subcategories etc.

>>7730819
I think her fridge is just short. Notice how close the freezer section is to the counter (usually it's at least a foot or so above the counter)

I always pictured casual lolita as the stuff that momoko wears in shimotsuma monogatari when she's just around her house.

longer dresses, no shirts, cute bow.

>>7730819

that's a tiny fridge, I'd look even taller than she does next to my stupid tiny fridge

>>7730880
Requesting casual gothic.

>>7730772
What skirt is this?

>>7730671
Perfect example of how casual should be done

>>7730880
Those all look awful though. Calling it casual isn't an excuse to have an ugly, sloppily put together outfit.

>>7730671
I really like her sweater.

>>7730873
This is cute as fuck. I love maroon.

>>7730944
I searched for it myself, anon. I checked her tags under outfits with this skirt and she never linked any brand. It was either axes femme or that boutique she shops at pretty often. I think it would be better to ask her directly.

>>7731008
This girl used to be worshipped for her outfits and brand but this was years ago. Funny to see how her look is considered sloppy now. Her style does look really dated.

>>7731023
Ah, sorry

meant to quote >>7730949

>>7730671
Where can I get a wig like that? I've been wanting one like it, but it's hard to find "pink gray brown" wigs.

>>7731025
Nah its still pretty casual. At the time some if her stuff was just sweet. But it would be considered casual now.

>>7730760
this is all over the place. None of the greens match, floral and polka-dots, sweet shoes and tights with a classic skirt.

>>7730944
so just normal girly goth?

>>7730671
Op must be one of those stupid noobs who lump casual lolita, otome and lazy lolita as the sane entity.

I request pictures of AP casual sweet coordinates, especially with cutsews.

>>7731232
think she meant casual Gothic lolita, its cgl after all.

>>7730763
I really like this for some reason, I really like the idea of casually wearing lolita around the house, it looks comfy too...could use some cute slippers though.

>>7731129
Yeah, I think a lot of old school is easily just casual now.

>>7731337
oh wow, that is cute.. that is cuuuuuuuute<3

>>7730880
No, those coordinates are nowhere on Fannie's tier and I smell a whiteknight or a selfpost (the filenames make me think the latter). This is exactly why I made the pet peeve post, this shit is sloppy and you can't excuse that by calling it "casual", "old school", or anything except lazy.

>>7731413
Yeah, I'm not really feeling any of those

>>7731413
Been trying to dig around my folder. I have some AP, but as you might see >>7731337 I uh...really like salopettes and things. We'll see if I can scrounge up cutsews

>>7730873
>>7731337
>>7731451
cute as fuck

>>7731355
Yeah anon is right casual gothic lolita. I sometimes try it but I would love some inspiration.

>>7731488
They're some of my favorites digging through this fucking folder. I really hope to look this good one day.

Can't decide if I like this one or not. The bow looks kinda bad.

Self post allowed?

>>7731533
OP here. Yes.

>>7731533
Uh, not my thread, not sure where OP went but uh--I don't see why not? Should add to the pile of inspiration

>>7731545
>>7731548
Ha! Oh hey, sorry

I've been in lolita for five years, had posts on tumblr gather thousands on reblogs, and I still have trouble separating otome from good casual lolita. I associated otome with fewer accessories, simpler designs, but also fun patterns. What am I doing wrong? Is there any sort of checklist for otome?

>>7731555
I'm not doing much since I'm new to /cgl/ and mostly looking for inspiration. I get that casual loli and otome are different styles, but both have a cosy understated feel that I'm trying to work towards.

>>7730886

Isn't the counter usually a little higher though? Like it should normally be between waist and hip height, not below hip height like hers? Or is it me that's been shorter than normal girls all this while?

>>7731601
The counter in my kitchen hits me right below the hip bone, but then again I'm almost six feet tall.

>>7731555
Is this you? Cute outfit!

>>7731609
Nah, I wish. She's super cute.

>wearing this shit outside

>>7731600
Not feeling the skirt pattern with this. Strangely, the Asian girl in the red hat right below wears the same exact skirt well.

>>7731634
Yeah, I feel like it falls...too flat on her? I saved those both because I liked the skirt and now I can't even remember where it's from

>>7731568
What is this print called?

>>7731566

>>7731632
Gr8 b8...

just go elsewhere.

>>7731566
Sorry this is going to sound like a magazine article, I was asked this question recently on my blog and I'm paraphrasing that answer to remove the basic stuff like "your shoulders should be covered", etc.
In terms of silhouette, otome lacks the rigidity of lolita (even casual lolita)...and while some dresses by ETC, Jane Marple, and other otome brands look nicer with a small petti it's not required because you're not trying to make a specific silhouette that defines the fashion. You're still going for something you can describe as "cute" or "feminine", though there's also a kind of "cozy" aspect to otome that lolita doesn't necessarily have to have. There's more freedom to combine patterns, textures, and colors (and solid colors are a-okay, prints obviously aren't required).
Though these lists aren't set in stone, there are some common motifs that fit this kind of "cozy" aesthetic. Think of things you would see in and around cottage in the forest: cutlery, teacups, mature sweets (no rainbow lollipops), berries, kittens, card suits/playing cards, florals, mushrooms, deer, rabbits, etc. Some otome coordinates also draw from a more 50's/retro aesthetic, which means ice cream cones, poodles, bicycles, polka dots, etc (ETC's new designer draws a lot of inspiration from this time, they recently released print with cute laundry on a clothes-line, as well as a vintage movie popcorn print). Common textures include soft knits, lace, lightweight cotton, and chiffon. While otome is generally considered a more spring/summer fashion, cool-weather otome coords can utilize fur, comfy scarves, thick leggings, and boots (and tend to feature jewel tones, rather than pastels). Rules about shoes and legwear seem to be really similar as lolita; shoes should be closed-toe and some kind of socks or tights are required. Also, accessories and headwear tend to be understated/minimal.

>>7731697
This is all I can think of off the top of my head, does any of it even make sense? I had a long workday and I feel like I'm rambling lol.

>>7731568
That's AP's Chocolate Rosette!

>>7730766
Ugh I just want to be her sometimes.

>>7731703
Whoops sorry, meant to quote the anon asking the print name. Hurr.

>>7731697
Oh wow, thank you! This is really helpful!

>>7731738
No problem, sorry for the grammar mistakes and other mess! I actually run the blog 'otomekei' on tumblr, but I've mostly just been using it for inspirational coordinates and there's not really a lot of helpful information there for people curious about the fashion. I wanna change that soon but I've gotta do some more research first because I want to be as thorough as possible.

>>7731697
I just feel like westerners need "a specific eye" for the fashion AKA must wear toned downed coordinates or be a ridiculed for not being otome. Asians (just about any Asians) can wear the same or similar coordinates and it's fine.

>>7731771
I would definitely follow you! Your English is fine!

>>7731531
>>7731474
>>7731466

I don't see casual lolita here at all. A skirt doesn't instantly make the coord casual, this is all just classic.

I think a lot of ott sweet Lolitas see classic as more toned down and casual and are having issues telling the two separate styles apart...

>>7731413
Honestly fannies shit shouldn't even be here imo (at least not what's been posted), and that's pretty basic old school wether you like it or not.

>>7731805
This is also an otome thread.

>>7731823
None of that is otome either though, its just classic lolita.

>>7731805
What separates these from being totally classic?

>>7731474
>pretty much wearing a t-shirt
>flats

>>7731466
>cheap 3/4 blouse
>belt
>lazy updo

>>7731822
>>7731813
There are a lot of little things that make the difference between casual classic and classic. Fanny's outfits are the perfect example actually. Look at the difference between what she wears day-to-day compared to what she wears to meetups or events.

>>7731822
>Honestly fannies shit shouldn't even be in here imo
Seems like you think getting dressed in the morning crosses the line of casual lolita, seeing as you defend those "old school" coords that look like she just rolled out of bed.

>>7732081
Hahaha fuck off newfag.
Go get your clown wig, and play with cosplayers.

>>7732096
I think >>7731413 was on the right track with selfpost. Sorry bb, ita no matter what year you wore it. :^)

>>7732115
Your newfag is showing.

>>7732096
>>7732115

That's dswpunk founder of daily lolita, and I'm gonna have to agree your newfag is showing. It is all most definitely old school and casual, this isn't really something you can argue about.

>>7732137
Keep on calling me new with no sage.

>>7732138
Sorry you didn't have a better lolito idoru to look up to.

>>7732138
Also it's not a self post, I went through daily lolita archive after a recent discussion on lolita as daily wear as opposed to lolita for meets/photoshoots.

Anyone know what happened to that girl though?

>>7732142
No amount of denying it hides it tho

>>7732146
She went hipster last I heard.

>>7732151
That's such a shame! I really like some of her looks and its easy for me to see myself wearing it on a day to day basis.

I don't have much of an exciting social life etc, so when people say "casual" I imagine casual day to day wear for running errands, walking the dog, general daily wear etc and not "toned down because its not a huge meet" wear.

Currently going through her egl posts.
I agree with the above anon, I think a lot of old school can easily be casual now.

>>7732419

>>7732425
Ugh, wrong image

>>7732427

I like this one, her JSK is similar to the one I'm trying to coord, but in a different color.

>>7731393
i dont agree. I think casual and oldschool have very different, separate aesthetics.
casual lolita incorporates more normal elements while oldschool is just plain minimalist, while still retaining that lace-loving look. Also, oldschool dresses are usually more detailed than modern ones because the focus is mostly on the dress.

how is 80% of this thread casual? I'm sorry but just because it's a simple coord does NOT mean its "casual".

Bag? Printed tights? Hair accessory? Cardigan? fucking brooch on top of the cardigan? BLOUSE UNDER DRESS UNDER CARDIGAN?!

Bitch this is NOT casual.

Casual should be something that you throw on in a couple minutes. If it's hot as fucking balls it's not "casual" to wear 3 layers of clothing.

>>7732695
So like this?

>>7732695
Everytime we have this thread, this discussion pops up. Apparently, we all have different definitions of casual when it comes to lolita. Next time OP should be more specific of what she wants to see.
To me, personally, a "casual" outfit is one I can almost blend into normalfags without losing the lolita silhouette and with minimum rule breaking (such as bare legs or no headwear, for instance).

Bumping with a request for otome or casual lolita coords with the camisoles/sleeveless cutsews like Emily Temple Cute makes.
It's hot as fuck all year round where I live and I want to buy some, but I've never actually seen them being worn.

>>7732695
>>7732740
New (to this thread) anon here

What are the guidelines that make something casual? I have been applying those terms to lolita in the same manner than I would apply them to any other fashion, but it sounds like that is incorrect.

Previously, I had not even paid attention to whether I was choosing a cardigan over a blouse, limiting the number of accessories, forgoing a matching bag, or trying to "blend" as normalfash. Instead I was focused on the overall look of formalness vs. casualness (within the "crazy outfit" lolita spectrum to begin with), while maintaining basic lolita guidlines/silhouette.

For example, if I wore CDC tiered jsk with sheer navy tights, solid color bow heels, tiara, necklace, 2 rings, and a flouncy chiffon cardigan with hair down and curled, I would consider this NOT casual lolita. There are not a lot of accessories or patterns, it has a cardigan, but you look like you are a lolita who is about to go to the theatre to catch a performance.

If I wore Fruit Parlor jsk, with 4 rings, necklace, 2 bracelets, hair clips, headbow, hairbows, hair in ponytails, blouse and no cardigan, frilly socks, and a matching bag, and wore flat bow shoes and a cropped cotton jacket, I would feel a lot closer to casual. It has a lot more items to it, but I don;t look like I have tickets to the symphony, I look like I'm about to meet some friends at the net cafe or go shopping at the local strip.

Does that make any sense, or is it just way out of left field? Even though my friends consider all of lolita pretty dressy, even they have solid opinions that this outfit is formal, this one is regular, this one is casual, and so on, but perhaps that doesn't even apply since we don't mean casual as in opposite of formal, but rather a substyle.

>>7732740
>>7732740
Sorry for any confusion, I wanted to see less OTT looks that still looked good, with some styles that seemed more mainstream. Maybe understated would have been a better word, but I'd say most people who posted images got what I was going for. There's a tendency for lolis to think that fancy=pile more shit on, so I guess I fell into that too?

>>7732695
This.

>>7732740
>without losing the lolita silhouette and with minimum rule breaking
protip: if you break a rule, it's not lolita anymore. Headwear is more of a guideline if you at least bother to style your hair/wig nicely, but completely bare legs (without even so much as ankle socks) and/or bare chest/shoulders are a strict no-no. Do it, and you're just wearing lolita items, not lolita fashion.

>>7732695
If you're complaining that it's 'hot as balls' then don't wear lolita, it's a fashion built around a specific silhouette that demands certain areas of skin be covered no matter how lazy you are or how limited your wardrobe is.
>Bag? Printed tights? Hair accessory? Cardigan? fucking brooch on top of the cardigan? BLOUSE UNDER DRESS UNDER CARDIGAN?! ...Casual should be something that you throw on in a couple minutes.
For more experienced lolitas this IS what you throw on in a couple of minutes without having to think too hard about it. It may seem like a lot to you but you're clearly used to just throwing on a t-shirt and jeans/a skirt and that's not what lolita's about even in it's most casual form.

simple and still adhering to the rules = casual
what you're asking for = not lolita

>>7732826
This this this. It's more about the general feel of the coord than about the actual items involved. most of the lolita posted is just plain maybe simple lolita and not at all casual wear...unless youre a millionaire and your idea of a chill day is stopping by a Bella expensive fancy cafe and a quick stop at the ballet.

>>7732707
This is pushing it to the point where its not even lolita.

>>7732976
*hella expensive fancy cafe

>>7731617
>Goes to a clothing store just to take pictures of yourself in your own clothes in their mirror.

Vain much?

>>7732991
OR a far more likely scenerio:
>she went to get something there and snapped a pic of herself while there.

>>7732976
But for some people, even a day running errands is worth getting dressed to the nines for just because they want to feel pretty (and for some people they want to really stand out). I definitely understand the "situation defines casual" idea, but I think something like pic related still falls within the realm of "casual lolita" because the coordinate is very simple and she still looks like she could go to a hella expensive cafe without looking out of place.

>>7732976
>>7732707
I know it's not true lolita, I was just trying to illustrate the look "hot as balls" anon was talking about. On a more constructive note, can anyone post hot weather outfits that don't look lazylita or show too much skin?

>>7733012
Yes but you ARE aware that you are "dressed to the nines" just to run errands and that inherently makes it not casual wear. Simple =/= casual. And that is an average classic lolita coord.

>>7733012
Yes! And she's the same girl as the original post. Her tumblr is xylia-x and she always has such cute coords.

>>7733018
Honestly for hot weather just wear short sleeved OPs. Jsk need to much layering while OPs are just one layer so it keeps you cooler.

>>7733018
This isn't a fantastic coord by any means, but the bare bones of it are great for hot weather.
Minimal accessories + thin fabrics are what you wanna go for, >>7733012 is a better example really because her wig is also shorter and gives her neck room to breathe.

>>7733042
Thanks for the tip. I only have a jsk and am saving up for a skirt, but I might put that towards an OP instead since summer breaks with school friends and con meetups are during hot weather. Easier to coord too.

>>7733029
Not necessarily, people define "dressed to the nines" very differently depending on how long they've been in the fashion and how OTT they are willing to go. Considering the fact that one anon in this thread is bawling about coords that feature a single hair accessory not being casual, judging an outfit's formality on the situation is too arbitrary to be a criteria in my opinion.

>>7733029
>And that is an average classic lolita coord
Bitch, that's a basic bare-bones classic coord and if that's as complex as your outfits get, there's no way you'd be a good judge of what's casual and what's not.

>>7733044
I like the jsk+ blouse a lot! But the tights pattern is a bit wtf and doesn't match anything.

>>7733044
Omg, I've never seen those Mucha tights worn.

>>7733061
Let me clarify,
**and how complicated they are willing to go at their most OTT

>>7733018
Also if you can avoid wigs go for it. Style your hair nicely etc. Maybe its just me because my hear is long and thick, but putting it up and putting a wig on is just asking for a heat stroke.

>>7733068
This. If you've got a loliable haircut, work it girl
My hair is really thin but has a lot of body to it, so it's really hard to style and I don't have much to work with. Wigs are a godsend for me.

>>7733064
Bitch I am aware of that and pointed it out literally the sentence right before that one. Dumbass.

>>7733068
Yeah, I don't like wigs either, and I have extremely thick hair. It's style-able for now, so I'm not worrying about that. I want to bob it, but IDK if it'll look good.

>>7733073
You pointed out that it's simple, but excluded it from being casual because it's your definition of "average".

>>7733061
I think the problem is that people DONT understand casual lolita as a sub style and are instead talking about what they, as Lolita's would wear casually. A basic coord is not nessesarily casual lolita, it's just a basic coord.

>>7733081
So by your definition, everything coord on the IW site is casual lolita?

>>7733002
An even more likely scenario:
>She went out dressed in lolita just so she could take pictures of herself in public dressed in lolita

>>7733088
So then what IS casual Lolita?

>>7733105
Lolitas who play Angry Birds.

>>7733104
Get that fucking low quality bait out, who the fuck do you think we are

>>7733088
>>7733105
It ought to be clear by now that's the problem, there isn't really as clear definition of it (especially not by Western understanding).

>>7733122
So why can't anyone just say that without being openly hostile and attacking what someone else is posting because there's literally no clear line? This thread was fine yesterday when multiple takes on "casual" were posted without so much fucking bickering

>>7733092
Well, yeah?? IW doesn't put out a lot of pieces that are way OTT by themselves (like AP's Wonder Queen), so with the bare-minimum amount of coordination done in the stock images I'd say this stuff definitely qualifies as casual. When you're trying to sell a specific item, you don't want to distract your customer from that item by cluttering a coordinate with a bunch of other items. Stock images that show the item worn by a model are going to be basic as fuck because they're not trying to show off their coordinating skills, they're trying to focus your attention on the item they want you to buy. MOOKs, shop coordinates, and fashion shows exist to show you the coordinating potential of an item, you're not going to see that in the stock images on their site.

>>7733137
because cgl

>>7733061
I agree but I think there is a basic guiedline to lolita that everybody in the fashion is pretty much aware of. And we can easily decide when something is basic or average, then OTT or really dressed up, and within the same spectrum what is casual wear. It's not about individual wear nessesarily.

>>7733112

>>7733142
>I agree but I think there is a basic guiedline to lolita that everybody in the fashion is pretty much aware of.
I wish this were true, but then we've got this basic bitch >>7732695 over here whining about wearing more than two pieces of clothing.

>>7733137
Since there isn't really a clear definition of "casual" lolita a lot of newfags try to use it to justify lazy coordinates that aren't even remotely lolita. Hence the bickering, this is the only way cgl can come to a consensus on anything.

>>7733139
IW is a classic brand with basic ass classic coords on the site.

ETC is a 'casual' brand often worn with casual lolita (and some other none lolita things)

Simplicity or dullness doesn't make an outfit casual. You dont have to have the most creative outfit for it to be not casual.

>>7733044
Nothing against this girl but her face fucking terrifies me, especially in her sweet coords

>>7733154
>ETC worn as lolita
topkek, most of their skirts can't hold anything bigger than a halloween store petti

In general people seem to think that anything not OTT is casual lol I'm an old fag, who likes simple Coords and old school so reading this gives me a headache really.

>>7733168
You must be hell a new, etc is quintecential casual lolita since a million years ago.

>>7733181
aaand we've come full circle.
casual lolita =/= otome.

>>7733181
I'm sure you meant quintessential otome. Half of ETC's stuff can't even be worn with lolita.

>>7733190
ETC =/= otome

Coordination has everything to do with it.

>>7733196
And skirt fullness/the ability to create a lolita silhouette has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Okay, anon.

They may have some loliable pieces, but that hardly defines the "quintessential casual lolita".

>>7733192
In my 9 years a a lolita I very rarely see ETC worn as otome in the western comm. But very very often as casual lolita.

>>7733211
Sorry this was meant for

>>7733209

But actually yeah it applies to that comment too why not.

>>7733211
Sounds like you either don't pay much attention to the western otome community, or you still can't even vaguely distinguish between casual lolita and otome. I'm guessing it's a bit of both.

>>7733211
You bragging about being in the fashion for almost a decade just makes this comment sad. There's a very healthy western otome presence that centers around ETC, Jane Marple, Axes Femme, FINT, and other similar brands.

Time =/= a good lolita. Case and point, wonderfinch: she's been in this for eons and still can't dress herself.

>>7733209
In casual lolita the general consciousness is that the skirt doesn't have to be so full, most opting for no Petti (much to my dismay) so the ability to create a typical lolita siluatte is not a something that disqualifies it.

>>7733228
I'm sure there is, I dont pay much attention to them though mostly stick to lolita which is probably why I'm more used to ETC being worn in a lolita way.

>>7733253
>most opting for no Petti
THEN IT'S NOT FUCKING LOLITA.
>the ability to create a typical lolita siluatte is not a something that disqualifies it.
YES IT IS. It's the primary thing that disqualifies it!
>I dont pay much attention to them though
Then why the fuck are you trying to dispense advice? Jesus fucking Christ anon.

Also
>capitalizing "petti"
>"siluatte"
>"hell a new"
>"quintecential"
>9 years a a lolita
9 fucking years and you still try to spell "silhouette" phonetically
okay.
just, o-fucking-kay.

>>7733262
No. See previously posted

>>7730768
>>7730763
>>7730761
>>7730864
(kind of annoyed to see her pop up again honestly)

And I got a new Samsung, and holy fuck are the keys super sensitive IDK it's fucking with me.

>what is casual lolita?

*someone explains*

>No its not!
>What is casual lolita?

This entire thread.

Quite a few people seem to have the general idea (and honestly that's all it is, a general idea) but others can't separate it from dull coords. And this thread is ridiculous.

>>7733287
>this thread is ridiculous.
I agree. OP shouldn't have tried to combine the two in one thread/

>>7733253

>doesn't participate in a fashion
>I don't see that brand very often in this fashion, but I see it in my own fashion!

Uhhhhh

>>7733304
Because I see it in my own fashion is easy to tell it appart when it's worn NOT in my fashion/ in a otome way.

>>7733228
>Axes Femme
I am a huge Axes Femme fan. So otome to me, are dresses like this from axes femme. They are still loliable, but there not full blown lolita. I have worn this dress once and asked if I am going to the Renaissance fair. So, even with otome, you never be completely "normal."

>>7733316
Just shut the fuck up, you've already made it glaringly obvious that you're an idiot and you're incapable of even backpedalling with any traction whatsoever. Do yourself a favor and lurk for another 9 years.

>>7733316

Take for example
>>7731499

Switch blouse for lolita cardigan say one of those popular body line ones, tea party shoes, and head bow instead of beret and voila! Worn in a casual lolita way.

>>7733316

You don't actively seek otome out though, so that would be why you didn't see it much in otome. It's its own style with its own separate (related, but separate) communities

>>7733113
>who the fuck do you think we are

Attention whores, of course.

You claiming not to be?

>>7733328
Lol I have not made any attempt to back paddle, troll harder newfag.

>>7733325
This looks more lolita than about 97% of the stuff that ETC makes.

>>7733325
>So, even with otome, you never be completely "normal."
Exactly, which is why newfags need to stop trying to strip lolita down to fucking nothing just because their comfort zone is almost nonexistent. It's called an alternative fashion for a reason and if you can't commit, your coord is gonna be shit.

>>7733330
For fucks sake kid I KNOW what otome is and that it exists I didn't mean to offend anyone by not being a follower if it calm down.

>>7733342
Hey dipshit, that anon wasn't even being hostile and doesn't need to be told to 'calm down'. You've got multiple people calling you out, in case you couldn't tell.

>>7733346
My bad I'm telling everyone to calm down not just her.

ETC has been in the lolita community since forever and whether you guys like it or not it has been worn in a lolita way a million times.

ETC does not = otome anymore than AP = OTT. You have to COORDINATE it that way.

>>7733355

Your argument was that you have rarely seen ETC in otome kei, but you've seen it a lot more in casual lolita, that's why you think it's more lolita.

That's like saying you actively only look for ducks, and because you don't notice geese, there are more ducks than geese.

>>7733211
>In my 9 years

And now you just sound pathetic

>>7733378
I have never said it was "more" lolita. I said Ive seen it coordinated more as lolita, since I stick to lolita communities. The comment was made to someone who said ETC was not lolita (lol)

>>7732096
Are you fucking kidding me? Those other "casual sweet" outfits posted here like >>7730761 look like a fucking ita mess. Calling it just "oldschool" is an insult to old school styles seeing as those can actually look good. She's wearing a milanoo-tier white dress with no petti for god's sake, it looks so sad and deflated.

>>7733381
You sound like you lost an argument and are now grasping at straws.

>>7733395
Newfag detected.
And that dress is brand.

>>7733355
Nobody's saying ETC = otome, dumbfuck
People are saying that the majority of ETC's main pieces cannot be worn in lolita because the skirts are not full enough to accomodate even a small petticoat, no matter how hard you try to coordinate it in an "otome way".
ETC has been around since the fucking 70's and had a big impact on the development of lolita fashion as we now know it (which didn't start really developing until the late 90's)...so no fucking shit "ETC has been in the lolita community since forever", it's about two decades older than lolita fashion itself and you need to fucking stop.

>>7733388
I really like that one. It's very elegantly put together.

>>7733398
Pretty sure the sweater is too actually? It looks like something AP put out a while ago.

>>7733398
What are you even saying
are you implying that, because it's brand it's not ita, or that it's not a shitty coordinate? Because either way, you're wrong.

>>7733399
What are you even talking about now Christ. You're agreeing with me? You're denying previous post (that are still up btw)?

If anybody needs to stop is you idk what the fucking point you're trying to make is? Calm down kid.

>>7733407
No u.

Whether you like the coord or not its good by old school standards and if you try hard enough I'm sure you can find the post and watch everyone fawn over the coord.

wigs are literally the opposite of casual

>>7732944
Well, I disagree. This coord looks pretty lolita to me.

Can we try to reach an agreement and list a few rules/guidelines to casual lolita? It'd be so helpful.

>>7733874
That looks normalfag as fuck, what the fuck anon

>>7733853
b8 harder next time.

>>7733987
how is that bait?
wigs are dressy as hell

>>7733999
Except they're really not, unless you're new. They just take some getting used to.

>>7733396
yep, ya got me.
I better go hand in my internet debate club card

>>7733987
Anon, you're just mad because people on the other thread wish your beloved OTT style died along with your expensive wigs.
I don't know where the fuck you live but here we don't wear wigs everyday because: 1) it's costumey and 2) we have nice hair and we know how to style it.

>>7734064
More like I have a pixie cut but some days I find myself missing my long hair so I'll throw on a wig. I started doing this before I was even in to Jfashion, which was about five or six years ago. Wigs don't have to be costumey and are easier to style nicely when they're on a wig head (as opposed to your own head). Nice wigs aren't even expensive anymore so it's not really that big of a deal.

>>7732419
Jeez, I can't help but think how awful this looks?

This thread proves that CGL seriously cannot understand otome/casual. Maybe CGL should be strictly Lolita since it's really as much as it can handle.

>>7734635
Don't really care about the "casual lolita" side of the argument because I think it's for lazy fuckholes, but can you explain otome any differently than or add to >>7731697 ? I thought it was a pretty solid post, but I'd love to hear different takes on the fashion from different people.

>>7732142
If you weren't new, you would know there's no sage anymore...

>>7735578
There is still sage, it just doesn't show in the email field when you post now.

Can you all shut up if you're not going to contribute? At least post a damn image to illustrate your point so that the thread isn't all just your mindless dribble.
Since ETC is such a hot topic, I'm going to post my folder. Call it whatever you want.

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>>7733999
Wigs are not dressy unless you're seriously wearing a princess bump or OTT ringlets with a marie Antoinette feel to them. I wear wigs every day. I'm by no means dressy all the time. I mean i could use my own hair but i just prefer the look of a good wig.

>>7735719
I really can't see this OP being casual. It's ugly as fuck.