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FAQ (Please Read!):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E0PUag4NzqCCFZ7s2AE_QefWhni2NwvC9sxrRpKeYXk/pub

Taobao Dictionary:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ams6Fl3miZSndGZIUnY0eGludFBMYVJpTF8yTWwzTEE

Store Spreadsheets:
**NEW** https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f4Ej-xGtGsOjPJOQ2cxr3zi-p-F30zyattmxajSvFEs/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah--YzOvA37wdDFLclhpelRRbFlkTnNVaGk0X2tJbkE#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auv2fkA6DdppdHQ4dTY4c1ZMZmlTVTlidDBjakxDV2c#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag-ECwzn2SCPdG1PTG10dHlmSkZ2WXVCbU5KNzhwVHc#gid=0

Shopping Services Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlgllpMiw3VNdGpfWFlYazhjblh5emRjZF9qMkJISWc

Budgeting Spreadsheet Template:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlgllpMiw3VNdG9qTGMwTG1sOG5SbU9KUGpBUVdsV3c&usp=sharing

Pop-up dictionary: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zhongwen-a-chinese-englis/kkmlkkjojmombglmlpbpapmhcaljjkde?hl=en
Good EL-CH dictionary: nciku.com
Translate text from images: newocr.com

If the above links look the same, disable add-ons (like 4chanX), clear cache, clear cookies, and/or try a new Internet browser. This problem happens sometimes. There's also an anon that will translate stuff if you wanna keep it personal or whatever and don't mind waiting: fortranslatetaobao@gmail.com.

A rough guide on the new forwarding service by anon! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/myoq4zzz5s5pu5t/5GGaij-8os

REMEMBER YOU CAN GO TO BAKA-UPDATES TO FIND CHINESE NAMES OF ANIMUS AND MANGOES IF IT ISN'T IN THE DICTIONARY SPREADSHEET

Old thread >>7675438

>> No.7700280 [DELETED] 

Is there a search term for cabochons?

>> No.7700391

Reposting this from the last thread incase it 404's.
I made a list of a ton of bookmarks I have from taobao on my laptop.
If anyone is interested my blogspot name is persocum.blogspot dot com and then put /2014/07/taobao-bookmark-masterpost-part-1.html next to it

Just a bunch of random shit I favorited.

>> No.7700969

Just going to carry over my gratitude to anon who posted >>7699940 in the last thread.
I was close to settling with mismatching reds. Thank you, anon.

>> No.7701087

Am I right in thinking that the first option is for purchasing a few pairs and the second is if you want to order more than 20?

零售拍
20对以上批发拍

>> No.7701357

>>7701351
Thanks!

>> No.7701405

Order just arrived in New York. So close yet so far.

>> No.7701542
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7701542

Anyone know a keyword for this? I've tried 'moon bag' and 'moon purse' but can't find anything.

>> No.7701633

>>7701542
I was shopping for a violin bag, and saw this from the same store. You can take terms from the title of the listing, if you need to.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.zfUvRk&id=40086937131&scm=1007.10115.744.0&pvid=154a46ce-4d45-4052-a620-6c093f175707

Also, reposting my request for the antaina color swatches from last thread. I can't find it anywhere on their page now.

>> No.7701657

>>7701542
moon bag lolita works though

>> No.7701849
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7701849

Why does this come out right after I quit my job? I've wanted whale lolita for so long, but now I have to pass on it.

>> No.7701877

>>7701849
are these dresses as big as they say because i need everything

>> No.7701985
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7701985

My order came in today, will review the Godoka later costume as requested

>> No.7702009

>>7701985
Where did you get that bunny cardigan?

>> No.7702015

>>7702009
it was a group order btw, that wasn't mine, but it's from
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38377340120&spm=2014.12642430.0.0

>> No.7702032
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7702032

Collage of all my shit that came in >>7701985
Not including some stuff I bought later like the Chess Story Starry Night Angel skirt

Feel free to ask for reviews!

>> No.7702044

>>7702032
Link to the middle skirt? Also if what I'm seeing is a wig comb, link to that?

>> No.7702115

Extra stuff that I added later

>>7702032
Oops, I cancelled some of this stuff but forgot to remove it from collage: brown skirt, bunny shirt, and pink bow shirt. (All in the top right ish area)
I can provide links but not review, obviously.

>>7702044
Which skirt? This one?
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=35180783330&spm=2014.12642430.0.0

Wig stuff:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=26309724203&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.109.KAHbU3&id=36678298619

>> No.7702123

>>7702015
>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38377340120&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Thanks!

>> No.7702124

>>7702032
Review of the purple-ish wish, please?

>> No.7702130
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7702130

>>7702032
and here's my shit from the order

>> No.7702136

>>7702032
Can you make a review of white blouse on the top right. I've just ordered it. also link to the shoes please

Thank you.

>> No.7702137
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>>7701985
So jealous of that haul. It looks like Christmas morning.

>> No.7702163

>>7702137
Lmao, it was like 18kg.
I couldn't even lift it up, I had to roll the box up the stairs and into my room.
Although it took less than two weeks to arrive and I used SAL to ship, so I'm much more excited because I thought I would have to wait until mid august.

>>7702136
The navy tea parties? http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19807929912&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Definitely make sure you order a size up, I went a size up and it's still pretty tight.

White blouse is okay, it's super wrinkly so I'll have to iron it out.
The buttons are sewn really badly so I'm gonna have to resew them all, material is sort of thin but feels good.
The edges of all the ruffles are surged and not hidden at all though, ad there's a lot of loose threads.

>>7702124
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=21934995158&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Purple-ish wig is not as purple as the picture, it came out a little more purple-brown and darker, but I like it more that way.
Not shiny and decently thick. There's more curls than in the picture but overall I'm very happy with it.

>> No.7702171

How do you people not get hit with ridiculous customs fees? I ordered a parcel from Modcloth and was charged 100+ dollars on my package.

>> No.7702179

>>7702163
Daaaaamn that's a lot of weight. My group's order is around 2kg and I think it's still in New York and has been since yesterday. Still, I can't complain since they shipped from Yoybuy on the 18th and it's only a few states away now.

>> No.7702182

>>7702130
Are CC wigs any good? Looking around they seem to be either really good or really bad. Also sauce on the top right please.

>> No.7702183

>>7702171
I think most of us are lucky because customs is rare here in the USA? I've never gotten fees.

>> No.7702195
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>>7702183
Stupid Canada with their stupid fees.

>> No.7702196

>>7702182
I can review it later tonight if you'd like? And I didn't actually end up getting the bob wig (it was sold out) but you can get it here http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-15790769.18.ZuJg6K&id=21880395426

>> No.7702200

>>7702196
Yeah that'd help a lot, thanks! What taobao wig shops would you recommend?

>> No.7702203

>>7702195
I'm Canadian too.
My order from >>7702130 >>7702032 and also Volds ordered with me >>7702130 was a total of 18kg and like $1300
Made it past customs so easily.

Ayy lmao.

>> No.7702212

>>7702032
Review on the red skirt top middle?

>> No.7702219

>>7702200
I recommend Lucaille because it's thick and easy to style. Ghostcos has some decent wigs for the price too, and is cheaper than Lucaille.

>> No.7702221

>>7702200
I really like lucaille for cosplay, and CC seems to be good, but we'll see once I actually try the wig on.

>> No.7702259

>>7702171

I asked my postman what was the amount people are allowed to import without getting custom fees and from then on ask my SS to mark it under that.

>> No.7702262

>>7702212
That's one of my favourite pieces from this order!
It's a little wrinkly but I really love the fabric.
I'm kind of used to buying nice looking skirts from China and they come to me looking so droopy and depressed honestly.
The bow isn't too nice though, it's pinned by a safety clip that makes it look like shit, so I'm going to resew a brooch safety pin (??? not sure what they're called) onto the bow instead.
The white ribbon sew on the bottom is velvet ribbon though, so I feel like it'll get dirty pretty fast but at least it's not shiny and satiny
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36421371944&spm=2014.12642430.0.0

>> No.7702273
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7702273

Are there any shops that sell plastic accessories?

>> No.7702285

>>7702032
Link to the brown wig please? And how is it?

>> No.7702313

>>7702285
Sold out here http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16791410763&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
The wig cap is effing tiny though, holy shit. I have a relatively small head too, but it's a bit of a struggle to put on.
Otherwise I really like it, same with purple wig review here >>7702163
Would definitely recommend this wig store... if you have a tiny ass head.

>> No.7702325

>>7702273

http://akilya.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=2013.1.w5002-1924681057.1.w3PjRL&search=y

This one has some.Sadly not much bracelets.

>> No.7702328

>>7702313
Unfortunately I do not, so it's just as well it's sold out! Thanks for reviewing.

>> No.7702389

Can you guys reccomend me some good plus-size jfash stores?

The spreadsheet doesn't have too many.

>> No.7702401

>>7702032
Can you review the gold HMHM blouse and the constellation tights? Thank you!

>> No.7702405

>>7702032
link to the notepads?

>> No.7702434

>>7702401
Constellation tights:
Don't buy the white one lmao, the gold design barely shows up and it barely noticeable even from close-up.
The black ones are pretty cool though, would recommend the darker ones.

HMHM blouse:
Good quality, material is a little scratchy because of the gold fibers.
The buttons have cute music notes on them which I was surprised, didn`t expect it.
I don`t know if mine is a defect or something, but there is a faint pink mark close to all of the button-holes. Lame. Don't know why, have't tried removing.
I accidentally bought one size up so it's big on me, I'm probably gonna sell it soon after I try to remove the pink shit.

>>7702405
Yo these things are dirt cheap man, I got 5.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38048862014&spm=2014.12642430.0.0

>> No.7702496

>>7702389
Because there aren't too many, just search what you want and add MM, it is the term for plussize clothes.

Also:
http://plussizetaobao.tumblr.com/

>> No.7702504

>>7702032
Amazing order. I want just about all of it...
I'm in the market for new blouses. Could you review+link the white ones at the bottom?
And the white one at the top, how is the sizing on it? I barely fit into the listed measurements (at 96cm) so I'm a bit nervous about that one.

Oh, and probably a question that's been answered a hundred times over... is mu-fish at all tall/plus-size friendly? (I'm a bit of both)

Thank you!

>> No.7702590

>>7702032
Just generally curious as to how much all of this cost you/what the shipping costs and wait time were for this order

>> No.7702600

>>7702590
Nevermind should have read the thread further, my questions have been answered! Congrats tho, that looks like an amazing haul

>> No.7702606

>>7702325
Holy shit I want just about everything from this store alone jesus

Anyone know how the quality on this stuff is though?

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>>7701849
I think I might be in love. How quickly do the pre-orders fill up? It seems like it isn't released until September.

>> No.7702870

>>7702115
Damn, the OP is even cuter. Thanks!

>> No.7702975
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>>7701849
This reminds me of the phone game Fluffy Diver.

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>>7702200
Okay so CC wigs look very nice, they aren't shiny, they're very thick. But they also seem to tangle easily and have a rough texture. I'd probably buy from them again, but only because I'm willing to put in the time to maintain it. Will do a Godoka review later.

>> No.7703080

>>7702978
Review up: http://believeintheheartofthecards.tumblr.com/post/92582572158/godoka-costume-review

>> No.7703086

>>7702978
Do you always arch your eyebrows so high in photos? Judging from this picture, it's very unflattering.

>> No.7703108

>>7702606
I have a few of their items, I like them a lot! The pearls and stuff on the necklaces are much higher quality than I expected and the charms are super cute! They also threw in a free strawberry clip with my tiny order too!

>> No.7703115

>>7701087
I think so, yes. bottom would be wholesale price

>>7701849
those whales are kawaii as fuck

>>7702273
can't promise that all of these have tons, but they have a few each at least
http://vhousewife.taobao.com/
http://the7th.taobao.com/
http://darkmilk.taobao.com/
http://fangtan1991.taobao.com/

>> No.7703121

>>7703086
sage for irrelevant but wow I actually do that a lot, I've never noticed. Thanks for pointing that out anon!

>> No.7703131
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7703131

How often do you guys make new orders?
I just can't bring myself to do huge orders so my wishlist is always full. It's only been a month but it's so tempting to start a new order.

>> No.7703135

>>7703121
Not trying to be rude. You've got cute eyes, no need to exaggerate them.

>> No.7703139

>>7703131
My friends and I do one ever season. I try to avoid taobao threads after I order because I know I will have a new list of stuff building... But its hard

>> No.7703141

>>7703131
Three or four times a year. I'll spend around 100-300 usd per order.

>> No.7703216

How often do you guys make group orders with people? How do you organize it and what's the largest order you've made? ...Any horror stories?

>>7703131
Once every 2-3 months but I usually just buy crafting supplies and home goods. Maybe one of these days I'll actually use taobao to buy lolita. Maybe.

>> No.7703240

>>7703216
Ever order I do is with friends. My one friend organizes everything and we have to fill out spread sheets for her with all the item info. (Cost, amount, shipping to SS, any item options.) We spent so much money through the one shopping service we use we have platinum status with them. When are stuff ships from the service she calculates the weight and shipping and we pay her.

No horror stories yet. But it also helps that shes a close friend for over 10 yrs and she keeps good records of everything so we know shes being honest.

>> No.7703266

>>7702032
Can you link the denim high waisted skirt/shorts in the middle, shimapan, and the wig stands?

>> No.7703293

>>7703216
I am: >>7703141
This talks about my part of the order.

Almost every order I've done is a group order that I lead. I do a spreadsheet similar to the budget spreadsheet.
I pretty much am similar to: >>7703240 except I organize.

No horror stories yet. Just annoyances when people don't do things right away but I just threaten they're off the group order if they don't give me money for the order or something.

>> No.7703297

Okay guys, so i'm trying to find a good quality Shinku cosplay from Rosen Maiden, tried google translating the title and scanning through 30plus pages to no avail apart from a repeating shitty dress. Does anyone know where I can find one? Or how I can narrow my searches further? Shinku doesn't seem able to be translated.

>> No.7703306

>>7703266
Honestly don't get the shimapan. I'm really disappointed in them.
I expected to get kawaii colours and stripes like in the picture, but instead I got a lot of fugly colours and they're not even nice thick stripes. (highlighter orange super-thin stripes, anyone?) Not worth it imo. Gonna use them as period panties LOL.
I wanted to get a set in a box because getting individual ones is a pain in the ass, but seriously don't go for the boxes, they're randomized. Search up 条纹内裤 女 (striped underwear female) and go from there.

Denim shorts: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=37666612120&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Wig stand: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-2543324233.43.QM4Sft&id=10100614713

>> No.7703327

>>7702195
You probably used DHL or FedEx. EMS and SAL rarely get charged customs.

>> No.7703337

>>7702504
Sorry didn't see this.

>white one at the top
Flat across the bust is only 44cm. Would not recommend. Don't know how they derped on the measurement.
Also the quality isn't really good. The blouse itself is kind of short in length too, I find that it's too short for me and I'm 5'2. I think it'll sit awkward on your torso if you're pretty tall.
Rest of review is in 3rd paragraph here >>7702163

Not sure what you mean by white blouses at the bottom so I'll review these three:

>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19082275622&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
God I fucking love this blouse. Not lolita but very beautiful and comfortable. Light and airy, not see through at all. Some loose threads but overall happy with the quality for the price. Same with the cardigan from the same store (picture beside it). Would definitely buy from here again.

>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18605924496&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Nice, material is a little stiff and chafes my skin a little but I'll just moisturize a lot. Similar to men's dress shirt material? idk. I think it'll soften with a few washes. Otherwise good quality and sizing is accurate. Buttons are sewn on well. Looks good.

>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17988322428&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Review here >>7702434
I really love this blouse, it looks pretty and nice. Again, a little scratchy and stiff.

>> No.7703347

>>7702504
Oops, forgot the mu-fish question.
I can't answer your question properly because I'm pretty petite and thin lol, but I'll do my best.
My leg is 75cm long from heel to crotch, 45cm at widest circumference.
White cross tights have good stretch, I think you'll be ok. Not so much the costellation/starry tights though. The crotch will probably hang a bit low.

>> No.7703389

>>7703306
Thank you for the links and the advice! I have yet to acquire shimapan and I feel like finding proper ones in my size that are good quality will be a journey. Heard j-list shimapan are shitty so I'm going to try rakuten and taobao.

>> No.7703410

>>7703389
Oh were you the anon who made the shimapan thread earlier?
If you're looking for cosplay-specific shimapan, like the Mio-signature ones, try this:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.228.8IhNH4&id=12790075311&ns=1#detail
The search term "内裤cos" (underwear cosplay) works well too.
Good luck being kawaii.

>> No.7703424

>>7703410
I'm not actually but I am currently lurking there. My dreamssssss of shimapan are approaching with my new job.

>> No.7703441

I've tried searching on taobao myself but haven't found much luck. I'm looking for a long black men's winter coat or a trench coat preferably woolen. If anyone could give some suggestions I'd really appreciate it.

>> No.7703452

>>7703441
Sherlock cosplayer?

>> No.7703475

>>7703452
Nope partner just wants a long coat.

>> No.7703723

Requesting cute dark / gothic but more casual or otome type clothes?

Like, not lolita, but cute and dark.

>> No.7703737

>>7702668
Pumpkin Cat's preorders usually stay open for a few weeks at least. They're not super widely known in the western market at least, so there are usually more than enough to go around.

>> No.7703743

>>7703723
I saved this shop even though it's not really my style because my best friend would LOVE it. I hope it's sort of what you're looking for.
http://punkrave.taobao.com/?v=1

>> No.7703857

>>7703131
Twice a year. Once for S/S and once for F/W. Usually spend around $350 shipping included.

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>>7703737
Awesome! Thanks for letting me know. I thought I was done with lolita, but this dress is adorable and affordable, so I guess not.

>> No.7704009

Anyone have recs for shops that deal with Decoden supplies or cute charms I can use for accessories? The ones I've found aren't that well-stocked or don't have a good, unique selection.

>> No.7704011

I suggest NEVER to buy from http://newbestlove.taobao.com/, they basicly turned into a scam recently. I had ordered from them before when they still were http://daicy.taobao.com/ with no problems but them suddenly changing their name was already strange.

Whatever, I placed an order with TBR at the 12th, the seller would quickly respond to TBR that my order would need 2-4 days to be made and 1-2 days to arrive, paid the same day.

Now it is the 23th, TBR already tried to contact the seller multiple times but he doesn't respond, in fact some Weibo users already complained that the seller was running away with their money and only did few small to make the scam look less obvious.

I hope we manage to get my money back.

>> No.7704017

>>7704011
Let me tell you how taobao works. You pay the SS. The SS pays the shop. The shop ships out your item. Your SS is given a domestic tracking number. After your SS receives the items, your SS has to mark them as received in the "item transaction" page of their taobao account. After the item is marked as received, the seller receives your money.

All you should have to do is to ask for a refund.

>> No.7704062

>>7702163
>it took less than two weeks to arrive and I used SAL to ship
damn, that's lucky

>> No.7704512
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I've so far received everything that isn't greyed out. If anyone wants a little review let me know. Pruany has been great so far. Highlights:

- Twinkle Carnival with matching KC, new without tags, for $100. It's beautiful and there's no way it's a replica, everything is spot on (I can't find a tag though so that's kind of weird, where does AP usually put tags on shirred dresses? I mostly own Baby). The front bow is a little loose so I may have to fix that.

- Gold shoes. Nicer than I thought they would be and I'm happy to finally have cute gold loli shoes. No arch support but inserts can fix that. I have to wear them about for a final verdict but they seem sturdy and the shade is perfect.

- Both tights are really nice.

- Most of the hair accessories really surprised me, they seem on par and in some cases better than my brand hair accessories.

Will update again when I receive the rest!

>> No.7704517

>>7704512
also sorry for the fuckhuge image and forgetting to crop it.

>> No.7704526

>>7704512
Sauce on the black/gold tights?

>> No.7704532

What's a great store for parasols?

>> No.7704560

>>7704512
I don't wear classic or otome, but damn, I dig those shoes.
Also, sauce on blue dress?

>> No.7704577

Anyone know a decent quality beret? I glanced through stores with them but the reviews have been iffy.

>> No.7704581

>>7704577
I really like the r-series beret. It fits well and is soft and the bow is very nice.

>> No.7704588

>>7704512
Pruany has been getting really slow for me lately. Maybe they're just getting more traffic, but they used to be a lot more efficient.

I'm trying TaobaoSpree now. Their English is a like a breath of fresh air from Pruany's Engrish, but I really really miss that cart system. Should I just go back to Pruany or is TBS worth it?

>> No.7704596

>>7703337
>>7703347
Bless your soul anon. You have saved me from buying things that wouldn't have fit me anyway. A little disappointing but good to know!

>> No.7704601

Taobao newbie, here. When it gets colder outside I'm considering buying some tights from Taobao, but a lot of them have a free size. I'm a little on the taller side (5'8) and I have pretty big feet (US 10, China 42). Should I even bother? Will the probably not fit me?

>> No.7704606

>>7704601
Try a few plus size tights, they tend to be forgiving

>> No.7704654

>>7704601
Free-size tights are probably not going to fit, unless they're from a store that's known for fitting tall people (like http://tinge.tmall.com/ ). I speak from experience... but it can differ greatly from store to store and sometimes even within the same store, so if you really want a certain pair you could ask people here how it fits.

>> No.7704683

>>7704588
I would never use Pruany again. They overcharged me for shipping by $40 and the communication was absolute shit. Even Transbao has better service.

>> No.7704718

Oh wow, just noticed that my CP petticoat came with a massive rip in it and dirt stains all over.

>> No.7704730

I'm thinking of bulk buying from taobao to resell on storenvy. Anyone know a shopping service that can get me a good rate or have any experience with taobao reselling?

>> No.7704739

>>7704683
Same here. Ordered a long white wig, received a short silver wig. Never again.

>> No.7704781
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7704781

Does anyone have the dress pictured? How is the quality of it?

>> No.7704812

Related to what >>7704730 is asking, but does anyone have any experience reselling taobao stuff for a profit? Is it something that has decent money making potential? I'm considering doing this.

>> No.7704814

>>7704601
Fucking taobao tights. I'm 5'2" 100lbs 23waist 31 hips AND I HAVE GOTTEN SOME THAT WERE TOO FUCKING SMALL FOR ME LIKE HOW TINY DO YOU HAVE TO BE so I went back to look at the model measure and she was 4'10" and 84lbs. Ofcourse.

>> No.7704850
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7704850

artka is having a bigass sale right now, if anyone is interested. I only found out because their store on aliexpress is also having a huge sale

>>7704814
was it the terrible curse of the coconuts, anon?

>>7704532
http://maisan.taobao.com/
http://seasonlai.taobao.com/

>>7704009
have you checked the stationary/crafting tab on the spreadsheet?

>> No.7704973

>>7704718
Wow, pics?

>> No.7704984
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7704984

>>7704973
I managed to rub out most of the dirt with a wash cloth but here's a picture of the rip (it doesn't show up well so I highlighted it)

>> No.7704990

>>7704984
Well that's not good. Can't believe they sent you that.

>> No.7704991
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7704991

I can never just order a small amount from Taobao, it seems. I'm pretty damn excited about this order, though!

Does anyone have any of the items shown that might be able to provide me with a little feedback about them?

Sorry for the shit quality collage, btw.

>> No.7704996

>>7704990
yeah I'm kinda annoyed, but at least I can fix it. If the stains were permanent then I'd be super mad.

>> No.7705021

Well guys it's been like 8 months since I was last in a taobao thread

But here I am again ;-;

Has anything drastic changed? Is TBR still decent?

>> No.7705066

Does anyone have suggestions for dolly kei-able shops?

>> No.7705068

Is anyone else having a problem with Taobao wanting them to log in after clicking on stuff in a shop?
I usually click on 'view all items', but recently it started redirecting me to the Taobao login page. I've never had this happen before.

Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a known way to fix this? (other than creating an account, obviously)

>> No.7705081

>>7705021
There are some reviews on the spreadsheet that TBR is forgetting to send people stuff or losing stuff in their warehouse, but it's mostly been positive.

>> No.7705088

>>7705081
Noted, thanks!

>>7705068
Try clearing your cache

>> No.7705093

>>7705088
I did, and just restarted my computer, it's still doing it :/

>> No.7705095

>>7705068
It's a pretty common problem, but I'm not sure if there's an easy solution. I created an account ~8 months ago so that I could add more items to my cart/keep track of favorite shops.

>> No.7705099

>>7705093
You'll have to get an account then. It's pretty easy.

>> No.7705122

>>7705099
It's asking me for a Chinese phone number...

>> No.7705124

>>7705122
wow nevermind I am an idiot. Thank you, I am on my merry way...

>> No.7705203

>>7705066
Hello my fellow dolly kei anon!
I'm looking for embroidered ornate stuff, is there a shop that makes it? Is there anywhere else but vintage I can get it?

>> No.7705212

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-1822353465.81.RwgB0p&id=25002104961
Question about this item. Is this in stock? There are no colour options and google translate is a little muddy so I'm not sure.

>> No.7705233

>>7704683
Alright, I guess I'll just stick with TaobaoSpree for this one.
Although their service fee seems more expensive than Pruany's. I don't recall if Pruany's service fee included domestic shipping into their percentage, but TaobaoSpree's fee does.

>> No.7705240

Does anyone want a Transbao review?
My order is >>7702032 >>7701985

>> No.7705242

>>7705240
Sure.

>> No.7705248

>>7704512
Seconding the request on the blue dress' sauce

>> No.7705253

>>7704512
I have that accordion bag in black, and it's awesome. You're gonna love it!

>> No.7705269

>>7704512
Link for the gold and brown shoes?

>> No.7705270

Okay so,

Like other anons said previously, shopping cart service is extremely easy to use and very convenient, SS fees and shit is automatically calculated so I have an accurate idea of how much I'm spending. (I know there's problems in the past where anons paid like $50 on top of what they thought they would pay?). Domestic ship is cheap because they combine shipping per store.

I know there were some complaints about them cancelling products.
I got upset when they cancelled a bunch of my wig styling shit twice (I made the order twice and hoped it would work the second time), but that was actually my fault because they explained that the store only takes bulk orders (total order over 500 yuan or something).
Oh and they also cancelled my Dear Celine sailor dolly dress that I bought when it was definitely in stock, and there was a LOT of stock. They didn't cancel it until a week later, and by then it was already taken off the shelf. I had to contact Clobba to buy it for me instead.

I had one custom thing and it wasn't fulfilled for the sole reason that they didn't even send in my message to the seller. I think I mentioned this a couple taobao threads ago. The buying agent just forgot to message the seller and bought it like normal. It's not a sizing issue so I'm not very upset, but I would be careful about custom things. Make sure you remind your agent when you buy or something.

As for international shipping, they package it REALLY well. Maybe a little over the top. Almost everything is covered with layers and layers of cellophane wrap, which is kind of unnecessary imo especially for like, a plastic bracelet. But I don't think it affected the weight too much because that stuff is pretty light to start with. They shipped out really fast, within a day, and everything was smooth on that end. There was nothing missing from the package which I was concerned about, since there were SO many things in the order and some smaller things could be easily missed.

1/2

>> No.7705274

>>7705270

2/2

Um, overall I'm pretty satisfied? Tbh I was worried because there were some complaints about them, but I guess I made it through okay. Communication was definitely really great, I've had issues in the past where shopping services take ages to reply and the reply is half assed too (so when you ask a question it takes another few days to get an answer), but my agent always replied to my messages through skype at work. I had a lot of questions too, but she was really nice.

I'm probably going to use them again for more simple orders like just buying shirts or stationary, but won't rely on them for stuff I really want like a Krad release or whatever.

>> No.7705296

>>7705274
Who was your agent?

>> No.7705297

>>7705270
>>7705274
How are you "pretty satisfied" when so much went wrong? Like do you mean like the service is ok considering the price?

>> No.7705301

>>7705296
Not sure what her english name is but her skype name is 孙 开慧 and user is live:sks675598768

>>7705297
The only thing that went wrong is the dear celine dress and the custom thing (it actually wasn't a big deal, took 10 seconds to fix at home), but I'm compromising because I really like the shopping cart and communication, I guess. I've used Pruany before and god I like transbao so much more. Maybe it's a matter of personal preference? I'm going to try taobaospree for my next order though, kind of want to compare different services first-hand.

>> No.7705326

>>7705301
>I've used Pruany before and god I like transbao so much more.
Any particular reasons why?
I'm >>7704588 and I've only ever used Pruany and never had any real issue, though it seems like they're getting a bit slow lately and their communication has always been awful. TaobaoSpree's communication is pretty nice, but a cart system is so much more convenient than constantly emailing someone. I don't even really know how much my entire order is at this point.

>> No.7705340

>>7705066
>>7705203
I think taobao tends toward the lighter end of the spectrum when it comes to dolly kei-able things (considering the abundance of mori girl shops), so finding a lot of the darker, richer colors is rather difficult

also, artka as mentioned above is having a sale, and some of their pieces could definitely work
http://leflacon.taobao.com/
http://lifs.tmall.com/
http://sxgzw.taobao.com/
http://58858888.taobao.com/
http://lybr.taobao.com/ is a vintage dress reseller (? I think?)
http://niuniu8586.taobao.com/ has lots of shawls/scarves that would work with dolly

sorry embroidery anon, not much I could find that looked like it would work

>> No.7705344

>>7705326
I also find it pretty slow and bad communication
> I've had issues in the past where shopping services take ages to reply and the reply is half assed too (so when you ask a question it takes another few days to get an answer)
By the time they got to my order, a lot of things were sold out already and I was annoyed out of my mind, especially because the things they couldn't get were the reason I started the order in the first place. Everything else was just small shit that I picked up while browsing. Couldn't even add additional things to the order so I had to just suck it up and pay shipping for only a few items.
Also the transbao cart is automatic. Not sure how other SS do it but having most things processed automatically is great. Again, personal preference. I'm just lazy.

>> No.7705424

>>7704526
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19940913477

>>7704560
>>7705248
This one?: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=35307849220

>>7704683
Damn. The only issue I've had so far is my purse doesn't have a strap which is really annoying, but luckily I have one that might work. Still hoping they can get it to me though. I haven't had any issues at all with speed or communication. Maybe they're taking extra care since I'm a first time customer? Not sure.

>>7705253
It looks amazing, I've wanted it for so long and I was surprised and happy it was still in stock!

>>7705269
Gold:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38110832776
The ones I got come in red and black:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38212212278

But I think they're making some similar ones in brown:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-3509341969.40.zpWu86&id=38789827027

>> No.7705553

>>7705344
Transbao's cart system is amazingly convenient. I was just about to go with them until
>no Paypal option
I'm hesitant to just give my card info out willy-nilly. I've also never had the option to choose a person to be my SS. How does this work and who are some good SS?
The one from the first review in the SS spreadsheet seems pretty nice, does anyone know who that is?

>> No.7705589

>>7705553
They use alipay so you're not really giving out your number directly to them.

Also pretty sure I got the same SS as the anon who did the first review, but not exactly sure. >>7705301 her english isn't great though.
This is how it works though, as far as I'm concerned: there's a few people in charge of all the buying but they don't communicate to customers. My agent doesn't do the the buying, she just talks to me and answers my questions and let me know when my shit arrives etc., and when I have a problem specific to my order, she relays my message to the person who buys shit.

>> No.7705594

Anyone have the link to the store that sold replicas of BTSSB bunny ear hoodies. I tried searching for them, but no luck...

>> No.7705794

>>7701985
Voldie, I need to ask. Is your Starry Night Angel kind of this rough, stiff fabric that almost feels more like denim than cotton? I bought it secondhand last month and am so disappointed in the quality. Also the colors are a bit more faded than they were in the stock photo.

>> No.7705808

>>7705794
It's actually not mine (group order), but once it's not an ungodly time in the morning the girl who bought it will be lurking this thread again and can answer that for ya

>> No.7705942

>>7705589
Alright, thanks! I think I will use Transbao this time around. Although I'm worried about them trying to haggle items down and then not being able to get my items. Should I try requesting that they not do that?

>> No.7706037

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag-ECwzn2SCPdG1PTG10dHlmSkZ2WXVCbU5KNzhwVHc&usp=drive_web#gid=13

I've cleaned up this doc with a list of lolita shops, added their weibos and/or international shop if they have one. I also separated the accessory shops, sectioned out the newer/less reputable shops and I'm thinking of what keywords to add that can help other lolitas out? But there are so many shops and things that I'm so afraid I left something out. Could someone look through and tell me if I forgot something important?

>> No.7706051
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7706051

>>7704991

I have the first edition of that Dear Celine dress. I have no brand to compare it to, but it is imo a good quality dress. The fabric isn't smooth, it has a slightly rough texture to it, almost like there's a fine mesh overlaying the flower fabric. When I first received it, at a quick glance I thought there was a netting on top at first. Straps are adjustable. The ribbons are your typical satin ribbons, but not those very shiny shit ones. I've seen several others praising it. Lace isn't amazing, but it's not crap either.

The colours are more like pic related.

I don't have that particular Miss Point dress, but I have a fair amount of their stuff. Again, I can't compare them to brand, but they're definitely good quality, especially for the price you pay. Nice fabrics and no glaring construction issues (occasional uneven stitching on lace, but it's not noticeable or compromising).

>> No.7706055

>>7706051

Also, you can see is this picture the mesh like texture I was referring to.

>> No.7706128

>>7706051
Awesome, seems like it's similar lace to my other Dear Celine dress. Thank you!

Do you happen to have any worn photos? I haven't seen this JSK coorded at all. I understand if you don't want to post here, though.

>> No.7706182

I really want the whales with bulbous heads jsk but I have not fucking idea how to coord it and its so tacky, but I love it.

>> No.7706186

What do you guys do to stuff that you bought but unfortunately its all around bad (shit fabric, wrong size, etc) ?

>> No.7706187

>>7705794
I bought mine second hand from taobao too.
>rough stiff fabric
yeah, I noticed. I'm hoping it won't be too noticeable once I iron it. This feels like twill to me, too heavy and bad drape for a lolita piece imo (made the mistake of buying twill fabric when I first got into sewing to make a lolita piece lol).
>colours are a bit more faded
I'm definitely disappointed at this, expected a deeper navy and the gradient to black to be a nicer black. Some of the stuff I bought doesn't match now.
Also the waistband isn't interfaced. I don't own any other skirts though (all jsks/ops) so I'm not sure if waistband are normally interfaced? But argh it definitely would have been nice. It's all scrunched up at the waist when I try to wear it.

I'm forgiving the mediocre quality because I've been after this skirt for like 5 months now.

>>7705942
Er, I'm not sure if they did that for me. (Pretty sure no, all my cancellations were within reason) I heard a few people had problems with that though?

>> No.7706188

>>7706186
sell it.

>> No.7706234

>>7706128

I don't sadly. It's not a dress i'd wear, but I had to have it in my collection regardless.

I haven't seen any coords of it either. I imagine there might be some in the Chinese lolita circle, if one looked hard enough.

>> No.7706243
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7706243

How do you search varsity jacket? I tried typing it in English but it's only giving me a couple of pages.

>why is it so hard to find a pink feminine varsity jacket

>> No.7706245

>>7706243
I'm so dumb, I just figured it out. For those who also want to know, 棒球衫 = Baseball shirt = Varsity Jackets.

>> No.7706344
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7706344

Has anyone seen canvas backpacks like this, or can at least tell me a good search term? Translating "canvas backpack" got me nowhere.

>> No.7706355

>>7702032
links/reviews on the mirai sweater and the red glasses please

>> No.7706361
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7706361

Do Chess Story ever do rereleases? I'm in love with their new Le Ballet JSK but missed out on navy in my size. I imagine they'll show up on the resale market too eventually.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=40138622711&spm=2014.12317209.0.0

>> No.7706396

>>7706361
No, they don't.

>> No.7706438
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7706438

I saw this dress posted in another thread and I can't tell if the description is saying it'll be 200 USD when it's finished or 200 CNY. Any ideas? I think it's super cute.

>> No.7706443

>>7706438
Forgot link, whoops
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=39803801501&spm=a310v.4.88.1

>> No.7706444

>>7706438
200 yuan.

>> No.7706448

>>7706444
Thanks! I couldn't tell because when google automatically translated it, it showed the dollar sign.

>> No.7706455

>>7702032
Link to the K-ON cardigan?

>> No.7706468

>>7706438
Do you have the link to the other thread or do you know if this listing is just to gauge interest? It looks nicer than I thought it might - I like what they did with the chiffon.

>> No.7706490

>>7706468
The other thread didn't say much, they just posted the link. I'm assuming they're doing reservations, or at least that's what it sounds like in the description.

>> No.7706494

>>7706438
It's China. It's yuan.

>> No.7706507
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7706507

I'm looking for under skirt like this one but in yellow. I mean the whole skirt is yellow.

Already looking at chess story and classical puppet but can find the one I want ;_;

>> No.7706508

>>7705340
>http://lybr.taobao.com/
Everything is gorgeous. Thank you so much, anon!

>> No.7706530

>>7706507
http://baby-piggy.taobao.com/
Got some underskirts like this in every color.

>> No.7706551

>>7705424
Thanks!

>> No.7706552

>>7706396
That's what I thought, but it doesn't hurt to check. I'll just keep my fingers crossed for second hand so! Thanks!

>> No.7706726

>>7706530
Found it! Thank!

>> No.7706784

>>7706188
Where do you sell it? ebay?

Also, is taobao worth it? It seems like people complain about sizing, quality, etc but then go ahead and make another order. Is it just because you can get more unique clothing?

>> No.7706803

>>7706784
Christ, how fucking new are you? How did you even make it onto /cgl/?
egl-comm sales, lacemarket, the BST thread on this board ( >>7697755 ), lolita sales in english on facebook, a ton of other groups on facebook

Stop making us spoonfeed you. Research it yourself, its really not difficult at all

>> No.7706846
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7706846

>>7706803
>someone's sandy
Not new at all actually, just new to taobao. Anyway, most of those sites are for lolita sales, I was talking about just generic jfash and cute stuff.

>> No.7706850

>>7706846
that's not how you greentext you assbanana.

>> No.7706861
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7706861

>>7706850
Not gonna lie, that made me laugh.

/cgl/ is really sandy today.

>> No.7706873
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7706873

>>7706846
If you werent new you would know youd use the BST thread.
The fact you even had to ask "is it worth it" - do you think we'd be making huge orders and dedicate threads to taobao all the time if it wasnt worth it?

>not knowing how to greentext
kek

Lurk moar

>> No.7706890

i'm wanting to buy a pair of shoes but most websites i go to either say 37 or 38 is my size.
i'm a 6.5 and i have no idea which one to buy.
also the shoe doesn't have 37.5 either.

>> No.7706899
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7706899

>>7706873
Fair enough. I should have mentioned the BST thread, then. I think anyone who's looked at the catalog is aware of it, tbh.

Well, a lot of these threads seem to be composed of complaining, so you can never be sure, y'know?

I mostly lurk, I hardly ever post.

>> No.7707048
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7707048

>>7706850
>assbanana

>> No.7707089

>>7706455
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=35361749708&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Really loving this cardi, wore it out today. So cute!

>>7706850
>assbanana
Your sandy cunt is glorious.

>> No.7707094
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7707094

Stupidly small order, but I have a deadline to have this wig by and I wasn't gonna just get a wig. Pretty pumped for the bag, though!

>> No.7707133

>>7706890
Just go up a size. Some listings run small anyway.

>> No.7707140
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7707140

>Ordered - 7/2
>Shipped - 7/12
>Sent to Airline - 7/19
>Arrived Import Customs US NYC - 7/23

>> No.7707144

>>7707140
Now I've got four packages being sorted through New York right now and one's already made it through. Still got at least five more packages coming from China. My poor postal worker.

>> No.7707189

>>7706861
>>7706846
>>7707089
What is it with /cgl/ abusing the word sandy all the time?
Those anons were right IMO, no need for newfags clogging up threads with their BS questions.
If you can't deal with that just go back to tumblr, they will provide you with all the asspats you need.

Sage because this is stupid and so are you

>> No.7707236

>>7704512
Sauce for according bag?

>> No.7707291

>>7706037
I think it's organized well anon. There isn't anything I saw anyway that needs fixing.

>>7706890
Measure your foot. Don't go by your 6.5 size. Then from there, you should know. Or just size up like other anon said.

>> No.7707301

>>7707189
I'm >>7707089 and I was enjoying anon's reply, not saying it's bad.
I thought she was great. I loved it.
>glorious
Maybe I sounded too sarcastic

>> No.7707330

>>7707144
I got 4 packaged in one day a few weeks ago and my mailman had to bring them to the 4th floor and down a long hallway. Nice guy.

>> No.7707448

>>7703080
no offense to you, it kind of looks bad

>fabric is too shiny
>not a good fit
>bad construction

also

>not showing pics of the galaxy train

>> No.7707461
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7707461

>>7707448
It actually fits me pretty well and it constructed well, but I agree with the fabric. I'm not a fan of it but it's fine.

>> No.7707475

>>7707448
>http://believeintheheartofthecards.tumblr.com/post/92582572158/godoka-costume-review
I-i hate to concur but it really doesn't look good. It doesn't flatter your body shape and the dress doesn't look constructed all that well.

>> No.7707481

>>7707475
see
>>7707461

>> No.7707490

>>7704601
These are the nicest tights I've ever owned, they fit me really well and I'm 5'9" with a size 11 foot. They stretch really far as advertised.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-6407524319.4.Zm66lV&id=35109538568

>> No.7707509

>>7707481
see
>>7705756

Hate breaking your bubble, but you got scammed.

>> No.7707518

>>7707461
>fits me pretty well
>looks ill fitting as heck
>but still fits pretty well!

Yeah.... I don't think so

>> No.7707527

>>7707509
>>7707518
Not really, I've actually seen/worn it IRL, whereas you guys have seen 2 shitty pictures of it. It does fit me well, and the construction is nice. You both aren't really in a place to judge the quality considering you've only seen a few webcam pictures.

>> No.7707547
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>>7707527

Why would you write a review with shitty webcam pictures then? When I write a review, I try to provide good quality pictures so people can judge for themselves. "A picture speaks a thousand words," etc.

And these pictures don't speak very well.

>> No.7707549
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7707549

>>7707527
Two shitty webcam shots are enough to show me how the fabric is puckering and how shitty the material is.

You need to get your head out of your ass. No one thinks it's good.

>> No.7707570

>>7707547
tbh I couldn't find my camera to take better pictures. Though you guys are right, the pictures don't speak well for the costume

>>7707549
>puckering
You mean the ruffles? Or the gathering at the top of the skirt? And like I said, the fabric is somewhat shiny, though not awful. It's got a sheen to it. I can understand how you would think the costume sucks from the pictures, as I said above, the pictures are pretty shit, but honestly it's a good costume, and probably one of the best that I've ever bought.

>> No.7708105
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7708105

Which one of these measurements is length? My chrome extensions are throwing a tantrum. Right now my guess is that either the left or first from the left is bust, but I can't guess the other measurements like usual, there are too many...

>> No.7708139

>>7708105
from left to right
dress length
bust
shoulder width
sleeve length
sleeve width
sleeve opening circumference (2nd measurement is max stretch)
waist (2nd measurement is max stretch)
not sure what last one is but p sure its length of the hem of the skirt

>> No.7708154
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7708154

>>7708139
Thank you so much kind translation anon, I am so relieved.

>tfw everything too small in bust, too big in waist
>tfw minimum waist size is your measurement
>tfw finally can buy M instead of XL

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>>7706234
Darn! My googling skills aren't super savvy, so I probably won't be able to find any. But thank you very much for your review of the dress!

>>7704991
I switched up my order a bit, added a few things and took away the fox cherry black bow (which was apparently not black, but dark green, is what my SS told me)

Also not pictured but I got myself a white classical puppets petti. I already have one but I want more poof!

>> No.7708267

>>7708230
I actually screamed a little at the mushroom beret, holy shit that's adorable

>> No.7708283
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7708283

Just got the photos from the warehouse of the things I got. Couldn't get one of the pendants because they took it off the store but everything else looks fine! It's a small order, but if anyone wants me to make a review of anything, just tell me.

>> No.7708286
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7708286

>>7708283
Forgot to put the wig in the chart. Oops.

>> No.7708304

>>7703080
God why are you using such a tiny fucking font on your page? It screams obnoxious teenager. I've had to zoom in 200% to read it.

>> No.7708307

>>7708304
she needs something to be small and it ain't her lard body.

>> No.7708308

I love Taobaonow's shopping cart system but I hated how slow it was. I'm giving their new Spreenow system a try and it's much faster!

Pros:
+ Speedy shopping cart system
+ Able to edit comments after adding to basket
+ Can enter the actual selling price rather than wait for agent
+ English speaking agents
+ 8% fee
+ Website goes DING when you get a message


Cons:
- Page occasionally won't load
- Can't edit quantity once added to basket
- Website goes DING when you get a message

>> No.7708317

>>7708308
I fucking hate that ding, that and the page not loading are my only complaints really. Usually you can send them a message to edit quantity or just re-add it to the cart

>> No.7708322

>>7706234

>It's not a dress i'd wear

Why the fuck would you waste money on something you're not going to use.

>> No.7708328

>>7708317
Yeah, it's just a pain in the arse re-adding it to the page. I wouldn't even touch the other SS now.

>> No.7708343

>>7708283
Link to the cat uniform, also the review plz. thank.

>> No.7708717

>>7708322
It's not uncommon for some lolitas to also like the "collector" feel of the fashion.

>> No.7708934
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7708934

Can anyone tell me what's going on here? Every single one of these items has the often seen 999.99 or 9999.99 or whatever price place marker on them, does this mean that nothing is actually currently for sale or do you have to make individual requests/commissions or something? Apologies if I'm being really dumb but I don't quite get what's going on here and would love to get my hands on anything from this store, it's all so gorgeous.

>> No.7708952

>>7708934
They arent selling anything.

>> No.7709138

>>7708934
If you're talking about this store:
http://shop71131139.taobao.com/

They only make one of each item and you have to snipe it. It goes by really fast and they update their weibo with listings here:

http://weibo.com/ninniach

>> No.7709226

etsy(.)com/listing/192395471/butoh-in-abyss-girl-version
Anyone know if this is the original or if the store owner is a Taobao reseller? Also why is posting links suddenly not okay?

>> No.7709232

>>7708343
It comes from here http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38758077444 . I'll be able to do a review in a few days! Need to resolve something with taobaoring first.

>> No.7709279
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7709279

I think I've just become Yoybuy's bitch.

>> No.7709287

please help me, taobao acolytes

I drool over all the cute general asian fashion shops, but I'm 5' 7". Any suggestions? I see some of the contributors have been generous enough to mention when shops are plus size, but I just need clothes that are longer. I'm the "right" width to wear the one-size clothing.

>> No.7709299

>>7709287
http://s.taobao.com/search?spm=a230r.1.0.0.D6d6sA&q=%B8%DF%B4%F3%C9%CF%C5%AE%D7%B0&rs=up&rsclick=1

Will this help? I think these are all results for women that are taller.

>> No.7709319

>>7709138
Thanks for the info. Does this not make it kinda impossible for anyone using a shopping service to actually ever get hold of this stuff?

>> No.7709763

How has TaobaoTrends been faring lately? I haven't ordered anything in quite a while but they've always been my agent of choice.

>> No.7709774

Any blouse reccomendations that aren't form the usual shops(infanta, mtp, chess story, etc)? I'm mainly looking for one with a peter pan collar, but any others are good.

>> No.7709848
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7709848

Found this store that makes printed fabric suitable for lolita besides magazines, don't know if it got posted yet.
http://morimoriki.taobao.com/

>> No.7709900

>>7707089
what is the cardigan measurement supposed to be? is that length, bust (since it looks oversized)? i cant figure it out

>> No.7709978

I just used Taobaoring to order. The order took them about two days to confirm for 20-ish items and after the first payment went through it took another two days for the items to arrive at the ss. They were really good about contacting me if something would be delayed or out of stock. I made the final payment Monday and holy crap EMS shipping is amazing... the box arrived today. I live in Canada and nothing ever comes in faster than 2 weeks. So happy right now words cannot explain

Update: When I tried to post this I got a "You are banned." message and the link said something about being banned since January and posting under the name Toonspew? What the hell?

>> No.7710014

Anyone know a cosplay store that does fast orders? I need this as an emergency and I just fucked up everything, sad life.
Any recommendation is fine.

>> No.7710041

>>7709900
It's the recommended height for the wearer. Most people in China are pretty petite and this is a baggy cardi to start with so I guess specific measurements weren't too important?

I did a flat measurement and it's 50cm across at the bust though. I have size M.

>> No.7710069

Anyone know of any stores selling nice lavender blouses? One more along the lines of AatP's lavender, not AP's bluer shade. Pic related as the color I'm looking for. I can never seem to find any lav AatP blouses in this color being sold that aren't, IMO, ugly as sin. Also somewhat pic related. Thanks!

>> No.7710071
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7710071

>>7710069
Forgot my pic after mentioning it twice. Durrr

>> No.7710073

>>7709319
She usually posts something like
"I'll be selling some new hats next weekend"
And then one day before she puts the hats up she will post, "I'll post the hats tomorrow around 8pm"

If you're lucky, she will upload the taobao listing page but have it only activate at a specific day/time. Then you can ask your SS to be on standby.

>> No.7710088

>>7710069
There's a Krad Lanrete blouse up at Lacemarket. Don't think it's exactly the color you want, but it might be worth a look anyway.

>> No.7710095

>>7710088
I've been watching it, but I have one of the Floras in a size M (different color) and it's already a bit tight around the bust, so I don't think I could manage a size S. Believe me, I've been considering it because the color is close enough, but I just don't think it's worth it for a blouse that uncomfortable.

>> No.7710222
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7710222

Does anyone have experience buying yukatas from taobao?

>> No.7710224
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7710224

I have the CP petti in pic related and I was thinking about buying a second one for extra poof, since its poof is pretty subtle (it's just one layer). The dress I'm planning on wearing them with isn't made out of heavy fabric, but I do want a bit more poof than usual. Would it end up being too much if I layered these two together?

>> No.7710227

>>7710224
I layer 2 CP pettis and under a lightish AP dress it gives pretty good sweet levelsnof poof. def. go for it.

>> No.7710243

>>7710227
Great, thanks!

I've got another question. I remember a few anons buying those wing-shaped assault alarms and I was wondering if those had batteries in them. And if they did, did they arrive safely? There's a similar item I want to buy and I'm sure it'll have a small battery in it, but a friend told me they're cracking down on not allowing batteries through.

>> No.7710336

I'm trying to use Transbao but my bank is rejecting Alipay. Is there any way to get around this other than calling the bank?
I wish they'd use PayPal.

>> No.7710894

>>7710336

If you specifically want to use Alipay, then no. Alipay is often blocked by banks, so you're going to have to contact them.

>> No.7711108

Sorry for all of the questions about Transbao, but I just paid for my order and it looks like my apartment number wasn't added to my address. I've been sending questions through the "Contact Us" window, but I haven't gotten any responses. How/where do I get to speak to an agent?

>> No.7711188
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7711188

anyone know where this is from?

>> No.7711198

>>7711188
I like the idea but the construction is absolutely hideous, I would not buy

>> No.7711199

>>7711198
f u

>> No.7711203

Seagulls, what is your favourite lolita dress for sale on taobao right now?

>> No.7711207

>>7711188
Found it. They have other cute SM stuff too hnngh

>> No.7711208

>>7711207
http://weiweisi.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?user_number_id=1108622669

forgot link hurr

>> No.7711209

>>7711199
Yo, that skirt is a piece of shit and there's too little fabric. It wouldn't even look good on a little boy.

>> No.7711211
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>>7711209
but that's wrong faggot

>> No.7711212
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7711212

>>7711203
Definitely this one by White Moon, it was sold out in blue when I did my taobao order though ;_;

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-3110030577.34.LaAg0G&id=19469834063

>> No.7711227

>>7711211
That looks absolutely nothing like the stock photo you posted. I bet anything the picture you posted just now is from that brand that opened the Sailor Moon popup shop in Japan, and your stock photo is a taobao replica because there are sooo many reasons why that's literally not the same garment.
Either that, or they made a nice model garment but didn't take a picture of the same nice garment for the stock photo for some unknown reason. Just look at it, anon, the skirt:bodice ratio is completely different in the stock photo vs. the model photo (unless the model is some sort of really skinny midget) and that's just to start
>getting this butthurt over a piece of replica clothing
I think you've come to the wrong place

>> No.7711243

>>7711227
not the anon you're replying to but you sound sandy as fuck

I just studied the fuck out of the model pic and the stock pic and they're clearly the same fucking thing, if anything the model photo has been lightened a bit but that's legit the only difference

It's a pretty cute dress

>> No.7711244

>>7711227
Anon, read your post again and see who is butthurt. I was mostly joking but you actually seem mad. I can see that it's tacky but I still like it, it's cute and fun. Also it's a skirt and a shirt, not a dress, that's why the "bodice ratio" is different. Literally the only difference between the pictures is that one is on a model and one isn't. The colour difference is just from editing. Calm your titties.

>> No.7711246
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7711246

>>7711243
>>7711211
Seriously, how can you remotely think this is the same dress

>> No.7711251

>>7711246
uhm because we're not idiots and we know that the details are all the same the only difference is it's on an actual person in one and not the other

how retarded are you?

>> No.7711255

>>7711246
It looks like the same dress to me. There's clearly a filter on the second pic, of course it's going to look a different color. Maybe the same dress made by a different person, like how there are fucking assloads of that replica Meta skirt and blouse set that look almost just like this, all made by different people....

>> No.7711261

>>7711212
seconding. I want it in the apricot color, but I feel like none of the color choices are going to look particularly good on me. I wish it came in beige or ivory.

>> No.7711267

>>7709763
I've been wondering the same. I've only ever used them but I haven't ordered anything since last year. I might put in an order soon, though. I can report back.

>> No.7711270

>>7711246
>http://weiweisi.taobao.com/shop/view_shop.htm?user_number_id=1108622669

I'm not gonna buy it because I could get a good quality lolita dress for that price =/ outrageous

But if someone else wants to.... who cares?

>> No.7711279
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7711279

>>7711255
>>7711251
You're literally retarded so here, I've illustrated it for you. I never even mentioned the color, dumbass.

>> No.7711287

>>7711270
If anon wants to buy a shitty replica, have at it. But getting told "f u" and called a faggot for pointing out it's a shitty replica? That's some fucking tumblr tier faggotry right there. If they just said "yeah, it's a shitty replica but I really love it" I wouldn't give a shit but instead they want to whine and point and pretend it's exactly the same thing when it's really, really obviously not

>> No.7711290

>>7711279
>what is perspective
>what is photoshop editing/lightening
>what is reading comprehension

we both already mentioned the color. btw yeah your "illustration" does no good, things look DIFFERENT on people compared to flat/on mannequins

You're literally retarded, actually.

>> No.7711292

>>7711267
ordered from there for the first time. posted shipping price and after we paid, they said not everything is in yet. friend asked about if something she ordered was in the package and they said it was. but the package came in and it wasnt.
never using them again

>> No.7711293
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7711293

>>7711287

>> No.7711296

>>7711279
Wow.

I didn't know anyone could be this stupid. >>7711290 is right.

>> No.7711303

>>7711279
Have you ever wondered why people like seeing items worn as opposed to on dress forms or just laid out? It's because clothes typically look a bit different when on actual humans.

Also, the model's photo was clearly edited to make the color different, you can tell they fucked with the contrast or brightness of the whole picture.

>> No.7711306

>>7711290
Are you fucking kidding me, I resized the stock photo to match the models waist band and its clearly 3-4 inches shorter, which you should be able to tell anyway if you have eyes and a sense of perspective
>photoshop editing makes the piping look wonky and magically changes the locket and bow sizes to look shitty for no apparent reason, duh everyone knows that
My god, you are stupid. I never even mentioned the color or lightning, because I'm not completely retarded, like you. So basically, your entire argument is "it's the same thing because photoshop can change the color" even though I literally never said anything about the color. That's like me posting a photo of a potato next to a pile of shit, and saying they are clearly pictures of the same thing, because photoshop and lighting can change the colors of things. That's not even remotely the issue here.

>> No.7711310

>>7711303
Yeah, when I try on skirts they usually become 3-4 inches longer than the stock photo just because I'm so thin and Asian. Just look at the waist band to skirt ratio, it's completely different.

>> No.7711326

>>7711306
I have to side with you. Worn photo and stock photo might have come from the same seller, but it doesn't look the same garment. And judging by the stock photo alone, I don't know why anyone would want to buy it, quality looks terrible.

>> No.7711329

>>7711246
It's definitely a replica. The Luna logo on the model photo is the logo Isetan's Sailor Moon shop used. I doubt this Taobao shop has the rights to sell these, or use their logo even if it's an original design. Use your logic, people.

>> No.7711356
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7711356

reverse image search, yall
http://www.sizazhi.com/u/1558274064

>> No.7711391
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7711391

>>7711356
Again, that's the logo Isetan was using. They're clearly trying to mimic those clothes, but using slightly different text.
It doesn't strike you at all suspicious that they've blatantly stolen the logo from a high fashion brand selling pieces for $200+ on a limited basis, only it's all in Chinese and only listed on Taobao?
The stock photo they show just looks so bad. Usually, if it's an indie brand, they can at least make the stock and model photos look relatively the same quality. High quality model photos and wonky looking stock photos are a really, rreally bad sign.

>> No.7711808

>>7711108
Just chill. Jesus. Send a message, they'll want to get back to you on skype. You can make a new or edit an address. "my transbao"->customer addresses

did you take more than 3 seconds to look?

>> No.7711812

>>7711108
They don`t ship to that address, don't worry.
You can confirm final shipping address when you choose to ship.
Contact your agent like >>7711808 said anyways.

>> No.7711867

anyone have any shops that sell kawaii laptop bags? or other cute bags that would be large enough to fit one?

>> No.7712115
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7712115

I saw this one tumblr and the links take me to Ebay stores but the photos sort of look like theyre from taobao.

Could someone please help me? I've done a reverse search and I have gotten anything

>> No.7712118

>>7712115
havent* gotten anything

>> No.7712123

>>7712115
NEVER MIND I found it....

link for anyone else whos interested

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.8.MQy5D9&id=39561289732&ns=1#detail

>> No.7712133

I haven't been in one of these threads in a long time.
News flash: Taobaotrends is the WORSE shopping service ever. I submitted and paid my order a few weeks ago and just now they're Emailing me needing confirmation for my items. What the fuck? I already paid them, they didn't order my shit yet, half of it's now sold out, and I'm just so fucking upset! The reason I didn't bother to EMail them before was because I'm having a custom made garment and I'd assume that would take more than 2 weeks. But now, knowing that they haven't even ordered it. I always go with SAL shipping but by the time that shit is made, it won't even fucking matter anymore.

>> No.7712143

>>7712133

>>7711292 here. it was the first and last time im ordering from them. im sorry that happened to you, anon.

>> No.7712147

>>7712143
Thanks for your sympathies, it actually made me feel better. I just turned into a raging bitch at my boyfriend and he won't talk to me now.

I fucking hate Taobaoring too, they wouldn't cancel or refund my order for ONE item that was a deposit/reserve type. It took them SEVEN months for them to send me a fucking refund for that item. I kept asking them "It's been x month(s), can you please cancel that order or just ship all of my other shit from that order to me?"

After that, I switched to Taobaotrends and I made one order. Everything went well, SAL took 10 days, but the domestic shipping took over a month and I had no custom items made. I'm beyond pissed that they're JUST NOW Emailing me that they haven't even fucking ordered my items yet. God this kills me. I'm going to be so fucking fucked for the convention next month. I really don't want to go in my usual fucking lolita wear.

GOD!

Sorry for the rant.

>> No.7712157

>>7712147
its fine to rant, i would be pissed off as well. theres nothing to do about it right now except try to get a refund and to make a review for it and post it in the taobao tag on tumblr to deter people from ordering from them
perhaps ask a friend to borrow a costume you like at least and just enjoy yourself. GL!

>> No.7712198

>>7710336
I have US Bank and they accepted it via Visa? Of course, there are foreign transaction fees added.

>> No.7712322
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7712322

Who's the SS notorious for bargaining with sellers? The owner of Magicatstreet's being harrassed by a ss (asking for free postage/discounts). Good news: she'll be opening up email orders for overseas via PayPal.

>> No.7712326

>>7712147
ouch anon. I've used both those SS before without any hitch. What kind of stuff were you ordering?

>> No.7712356

>>7712322
Transbao. One post in the archive says ChinaBuy as well.

>> No.7712449
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7712449

Will arrive in a few day. just a small order but I will make an order again on the end of this month.

>> No.7712532

I'm looking for as-natural-as-possible-yet-affordable wigs. I had a look in the spreadsheets as I remember there used to be some good T-Mall shops, but they aren't listed anymore(?)

Can anyone recommend good taobao stores? It doesn't need to be super-thick, just not super-shiny and "wiggy".

I'm after shoulder-length brown hair, if anyone has any recommendations?

>> No.7712542
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7712542

Does anyone have some good shops for suitcase-style handbags?

>> No.7712614

>>7712322

I sent magicatstreet a message. They are already taking orders for overseas via paypal. You are welcome to message them directly on weibo. I replied asking how they will deal with the language barrier, will post again when they respond.

>> No.7712626

>>7702978
please wear some makeup next time, AT LEAST EYELINER

>> No.7712629

>>7712626
???
She looks like she's in her pajamas trying on stuff, why would she need eyeliner?

>> No.7712632

>>7712626
Come on anon, I find Voldie's piggy face just as annoying as everyone else does, but she's just throwing the wig on to show it's quality, not trying to showcase her face. I mean, sure she could've blacked out her face, but let's be honest here, she probabaly loves how she looks too much for that, seeing as she posts it everywhere on this board.

>> No.7712636

>>7707461
The bodice shouldn't have horizontal wrinkles when worn, that means it's under too much tension (especially if it's got boning like you say: nothing with boning should fold like that). Do you have a corset you could wear underneath?

>> No.7712667

>>7706051
>no brand to compare
>thinks its good quality

>> No.7712670

>>7712667
I would imagine she has bought clothing before in the past and therefore has something to compare the fabric quality to. She is being honest and saying she cannot compare the dress to brand quality because she has never bought it. Without buying brand, you can still tell what is a nicely made, well-fitting dress and what is a thin, fraying, ugly piece of crap.

>> No.7712681
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7712681

Ordered this from Pikaroom. Wasn't disappointed. The dress look beautiful like in the store's pic. the sleeves was too big for me. still love it anyway. can't wait too wear it at con. fufu

>> No.7712697

>>7712667
get your sandy vagina out of here and off to nitpick

>> No.7712769

>>7712449
Link to gyaru top?
>>7712681
>Elise costume
mah nigga

>> No.7712811

>>7702032
Reviews and links to the Mirai sweater and red glasses/frames please!

>> No.7712822
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>>7712681
>>7712769
Fellow Laurants!

>> No.7712849
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>>7712822
We're here.

>> No.7712875

>>7712811
I got my sweater and uniform from different places (because I liked the quality of the sweater and one store and the quality of the uniform at the other. Not sure which one you're talking about so I'll like both:

Sweater: (Sold out, SS was one step too slow. I really wanted this one though so I had to buy second hand on taobao. Just had to search up keywords for the cos and go into the second hand section)
>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36276311607&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Nice and thick, kind of itchy. Bought this one specifically because I want to wear it as a normalfag sweater through bitch-ass Canadian winters. Buttons are nice and the material is super thick. Kind of heavy but that's expected. A bit too big but I like it.

>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=35169010299&spm=2014.12642430.0.0

Glasses
>http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=35656926491&spm=2014.12642430.0.0
Don't get these, frame is narrow and kind of tight on my head, which is relatively small.
Also there's a really bad blue-ish green glare. Will not photograph well for sure.
Contemplating either punching the lenses out or buying another pair.

>> No.7712888

We're in autosage. New thread >>7712887

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Anybody had any good experiences with RainCos? Also this is going to be my first Taobao order and I'm using TaobaoAgent as my shipping service. They any good?

Help me please I am new

>> No.7713026

>>7712942
learn to read >>7712888