/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I know it's still 6 months away, but I'm already looking forward to the EGL wardrobe theme. I hope to make at least 2 OPs before January.

>>7652969
That's exciting anon! What are your designs for them? I need to get on making a JSK, I've made several skirts now, I can't imagine a a JSK would be too difficult.

>>7652987
I want to make an OP with the lace crosses (a different style dress though, one with a waist) and I want to replicate this Moitie design. I don't know yet what kind of fabric I should use for the Moitie dress though.

I want to open a little e-store catering to lolita and otome fashion. I have original ideas for jewellery, I'm also thinking of selling bonnets, bags, over-dresses/skirts and underskirts.
I am concerned of adding things like rosettes, sashes, barrettes and head bows, because there are so many people who already make and sell these.
I was wondering what you guys would like to buy, or what you are sick of seeing.

>>7652954
>That skirt/JSK

Ooooh goood. What is that?

I received my first IW head bow with a dress I bought.
And part of it is held together with hot glue... is that normal? I was kind of expecting more from a brand.

>>7653110
blooming fairy doll jsk

>>7653120
Thanks anon!

>>7652954
Question: I bought a bag and a necklace at different hours on the same day and AP shipped them both out separately.
The bag arrived at tenso today but the necklace is still to get there. Is there a way I can combine the two packages once they get at tenso? Will that save me on shipping?

I don't really know what to do.

God damn it anons, why have my best secondhand western purchases been from you guys?

Today this blouse arrived that I purchased off LaceMarket, "new without tags" as listed. Upon opening the package it smelled strong of hairspray/Febreze, while the detachable sleeves did not. Also, seller cheaped out on the shipping - I paid for one rate and the shipping label says another.

I'm so fucking pissed I have to open a dispute. Why is the western market so shitty?

Still looking for skirt designs that will look nice with and without bell shaped petticoat! Pleats maybe?

>>7653408
You mean you want A-line skirts?

Any tips for beginners? Should I avoid Bodyline and go straight to brand? Is it a better idea to start with a skirt or with a jsk?
I know this is a retarded question but I don't know where to start building a wardrobe. I've got the "choose similar colors and motifs, start with basic pieces" part down, but I don't want to screw up by buying pieces I'll never use.

>>7653414
I don't recommend getting bodyline skirts and dresses.. mostly because bodyline isn't very good looking to me.
I do say that getting their blouses is a good start, though. I think you should start looking into Taobao. There are groups that do group shipping to save on said shipping.

As far as skirts vs jsks go, I say get twice as many skirts as you have blouses... and just get the jsks as you fall in love with them.

>>7653414
Depends on your budget. I'd say go with Bodyline for some basics (shoes, blouses, etc) to get started. Go with 2nd hand brand for your dress if your budget is lower. Bodyline would be decent to get a feel for what styles suit you best without breaking the bank.

I started with Bodyline (and replicas, don't go there) and went on to brand after about 5 months. I mostly buy brand or indie.

>>7653408
Pleats are good. I find that my pleated dresses work with either shape petticoat.

>>7652969
I'm excited too, but I'm less interesting and just bought a lot of new items.

>>7653414
I think it's okay to start with Bodyline - that way you can try out some cuts/colors and see how they look on you and also get a couple of coords in one order. However if you can afford it I would go with a brand piece that you really like. The quality is better and it's harder to look shit in brand (although people try AND succeed). You can always sell/trade dresses that don't work out, although you may not always get the same amount back.

If you really want to have a plan, find a piece you like and then try to come up with two to three coords with it.

As for skirts vs. JSKs, I like the look of JSKs and dresses but skirts are cheaper and more versatile. Plus they are easier to tone down for daily wear.

>>7653058
There are already so many jewelry, headbow, sash, rosette, etc. etc. etc. stores. I would say the issue isn't "there aren't enough stores selling these things." The issue is that there aren't enough GOOD stores selling these things. Probaly 95% of lolita handcraft stores are complete crap.

I'd say, post photos of some of your handcrafted stuff on this board and get honest feedback before trying to jump head-in-first into opening a store.

>>7653423
I've actually already picked some stuff from Taobao stores, but I was wondering about the quality vs Bodyline stuff. Thanks for the advice!
>>7653425
I have a pretty nice budget, thanks to money I've saved up + money from a trip that didn't go through. That's why I thought maybe I should start with nicer blouses/dresses (Taobao brands or actual brand) that will last longer than Bodyline.

>>7653058
I want lolita charm bracelets with TONS of charms. Also more gothic items

>>7653414
Get your shoes there, but otherwise it doesn't have great quality. You are better off with buying printless brand dresses.

>>7653406
why I only buy new from the brand or using Japanese auctions and a SS it's way cheaper most of the time.

>>7653408
empire waist items generally look nice with or without a petti

>>7653414
I wouldn't recommend going with a skirt for your first piece. Skirts are more versatile but more challenging to coordinate. I see too many people do the simple skirt + blouse combo, and it always looks so boring/casual.

I would say an OP might be your best option. Those usually work better for beginners because you don't need to buy as many pieces to put together a full coord.

>>7653446
It's a good idea to check online reviews for any Taobao stores you're considering. Not all Taobao stores have the same quality. I've discovered gold on Taobao, but I've also gotten really regrettable things from there.

>>7653406

I don't know if a dispute would do anything, honestly. Have you tried asking the seller for a partial refund?

>>7653482
I've done nothing as of yet.

>>7653442
Thanks for the input, I completely agree with you.
There are many places that sell those things, which is why I was concerned about selling them also. I don't want to be another store that pretty much sells the same things as the next one over.

>>7653450
Awesome I'll note that down! Thank you!

7653414 anon here, thanks for the tips guys! I'll get a brand skirt I fell in love with and a couple of blouses from R-series. I'll get a JSK next.

>>7653468
And also, skirts are more unflattering than JSKs if you choose the wrong one or the wrong cutsew/blouse. I really dislike tucked blouses on skirts, it looks so awful.

>>7653414
If nothing else Bodyline is great for shoes

>>7653406
Shipping is more than what you see on the label. Gas to get to the gas station, time away from a job, packing materials. Don't open a dispute over this shit.

What do you guys think of the new IW dress?
I'm thinking of doing the reserve, but I don't know.
I love it, but I'm not so sure I'll be able to coord it interestingly enough.

accidentally posted this in the wrong thread. I'm going to see Wicked in September and wanted to put a coord together to wear. Any suggestions? I was also thinking of making my own Lolita dress inspired by Glinda's dress in pic related, would that be tacky?

>>7654192

it's not my style so I'm passing. IW is has really been disappointing me the last few years. too many prints they're pulling away from classic too much for me.

>>7653406
seconding what >>7654186 said. as long as the package got to you in the shipping time frame you have no reason to complain

>>7654192

I'm super undecided. IW's photography has always been wonky, but so much depends on what shades of blue and orange the dress really is.

If the blue is slightly darker and less saturated irl then I would love it.

If it looks more like >>7654192 then I could probably put together some really cute coords, but I'm not that keen.

Something more like this photo though, I don't want it at all.

Normally IW's stuff is darker and less saturated in real life, I'm not sure if I want to take the chance that this will come out a nice blue.

>>7653115

It is and it isn't, sort of. I think they do it more commonly towards the smaller bows and trinkets. One of my IW headbows features little plastic chocolates, some of which are smaller than the width of the headband, so of course it makes more sense to glue it on.

Then there's pic related, a headbow so big it would fall right off the headbow if they tried to glue it on, so they sewed the middle part around the headbow instead.

Generally the quality of brand accessories lies in the quality of the materials they use, the fabric, ribbons, trim and flowers are often nicer than what you would find in a regular shop, and the bands, clips and combs tend to be better quality too. The other reason for being expensive is that things in a series often directly match whatever dress you bought it for, so you don't have to hunt a million shops for a specific colour.

As for the construction, so long as the headbow is fairly sturdy and in no risk of falling apart, I don't see any harm if they take a little shortcut in putting it together since stitching it by hand just adds to the cost and doesn't add much benefit.

>>7654378
There a youtube video featuring this print and other recent IW prints on the channel Kawaii Pateen.
The title is labeled Innocent World Documentary series

How many blouses vs main pieces do anons have? My wardrobe is pretty small, I only have 11 main pieces and 9 blouses as of right now, just curious of the main piece/blouse ratio of others.

>>7654443

Awesome, I'll go look it up.

Thanks!

>>7654203
Magic cat street JSK: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w6668232-2828094294.14.eDjLzd&id=39577103577

JetJ dress:La Fée d'Une Fleur Robe
Good luck finding it

>>7654573
and dropped picture

>>7653058
I would like to see princess sleeve blouses and open neck blouses (any blouse that have gathering to them) that are made from real, but not overly shiny, silk. I know brand uses high-grade polyester, which is supposed to mimic silk. But I would love to own just one blouse made from real silk. Just one. I'm tired of sifting through consignment stores and feeling how wondrous the silk blouses feel, but never finding any that are loli-able.

>>7654518
I have 19 mainpieces and 7 blouses

>>7654518
I have 13 skirts, 12 jsks, 14 blouses and 12 cutsews, so about a 1:1 ratio.

>>7654518
I'm a poorfag who started buying brand last year.
9 main pieces of which 3 are brand and the rest are Taobao. I coord everything with two blouses, one black and one cream. Oh, and one meta cutsew that I got for fucking cheap but have nothing to coord with.
Shoes, I only have one pair of black wedge mary janes.

Making this skirt tutorial:
http://miscy.livejournal.com/7686.html
royal blue fabric and adding some offwhite contrast detailing. Want to make a white ruffle at the bottom as on the page. Have chiffon - but does it look too much like petticoat sticking out?
Thank you! :)

>>7654518
Started buying last year. I've got 16 main pieces and 6 blouses.

>>7654518
24 main pieces, and 20 blouses/boleros.

>>7654518
100 jsks 30 Ops, 20 skirts, 40 outerwear
Blouses:
Only around 50 blouses I need more

>>7654822
Wow, how long have you been in the fashion?

>>7655030
A few years I have a high income and I am a collector of it. I don't need money or have much spare time due to job commitments so I compensate and buy brand and stick it in my homebase. It helps deal with stuff when I am allowed home.

>>7653450
Seconding tasteful gothic accessories for reasonable prices. Practically all Western lolita accessory shops are sweet and Western gothic jewelry tends to be rather tacky and overpriced for the quality.

>>7654585
Blouses! Yes I can do that, the only thing with real silk is it's very costly, and a gathered blouse uses heaps of fabric. I'm not sure how many people would really be interested in purchasing a non-brand blouse for $100+. Even if it is real silk.

>>7655070
I have you there! I'm classic/gothic so that is an area I'll be especially attentive to!

>>7655088

You could offer the same blouse in both real silk and non silk fabric.


>>7654770

Usually, no, as the peeking petticoat tends to stick out unevenly from the skirt. If you're worried, assuming you're adding the white chiffon ruffle under the main skirt layer, you can add a layer of lace on the ruffle so it looks decorative and less likely to be mistaken for peeking petticoat.

So apparently this new Juliette et Justine dress is 64,800 yen. It's the same print as their 270,000yen dress, and it's longer than usual (skirt length 78.5).

64,800yen though. By the time shipping is added, this dress costs 700USD.

>>7655190
and it looks like trash

>>7653406
Semi-related, but when I go to the post office, they always give me different shipping rates than what USPS shows me online? Even for flat rate things. Why is this happening. Sometimes I'll quote a shipper something cheaper than what it actually is, and sometimes the opposite happens.

>>7655190
It's so fucking ugly. JetJ, why.

>>7655192

>want to argue, like the print
>notice dead carcass on dress
>notice buncha junk in background
>memento mori theme, I guess some of the flowers might be rotting?
>possibly literal garbage on dress

....well....

>>7655203
I always ship flat rate in their boxes. I always know the rate and it gets there in like 3 days.

>>7653320
They probably ship based on weight, so it'll only save you a tiny amount for the weight of the box. I'd email Tenso and ask them if tey can combine it for you, I don't see why they wouldn't.

>>7653505
Ask for a partial refund or open a dispute, because the shirt obviously isn't actually unworn if it smells like that. New with tags means in like new condition, and if it smells like that, she probably wore it with the tags still on it. It's not in the described condition.

>>7655190
I like it and have spent 700 on a JetJ coat once and near that amount on a dream dress, but the coat you can wear everyday.

>>7654576
wowowowow those are both beautiful! thanks so much

http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/23422619.html
How high will the Iron Gate go do you guys think?

>>7655316
I reckon probably the equivalent of $1400 USD (so about £815)

>tfw I can afford to bid but don't feel comfortable spending a huge amount of cash on something that originally once upon a time retailed at about $400-500..

Guess I'll stick with Royal Gate

>>7655190
I like the print a lot but I don't get the price tag on this.. the design of this dress is rather plain, and comparable to Le carde du chat (it also has a sash, plain bodice and skirt design), yet it costs twice as much. I don't see how 20cm more skirt length could justify 30000yen more. I know JetJ is on the more expensive side of Lolita.. but seriously wtf Jetj, this is just too much for a basic printed dress like this.

kek

>>7655190
I hope no one in my comm buys this dress... I would do my best to keep my cool, but just seeing the dead lamb online makes me want to panic and vomit.

>>7654378
The hearts+buttons ruin it for me. Too sweet by an inch. Too bad, that colorway is lovely.

I'm going out of town for two weeks at 5am and I missed my delivery today because I was working. I went to the post office to get it but they said it won't be there until tomorrow or Monday.

So upset. Wanted a pretty new dress for my trip and I'm not sure how long they even hold stuff for. Fuck Canada Day for delaying it a business day.

>>7655720
I'm sorry the post office is so shit, anon. Do you have any friends or relatives who could pick the item up for you at the post office while you're out of town so it doesn't get sent back?

>>19676922

I'm kinda new to the fashion and I really need help finding nice blouses for a sweet wardrobe.
I'm not finding alot of options on the secondhand sites.

Pic unrelated

I always thought people that hated other people just for wearing their dream dresses, or wearing them 'badly', were fucking retarded.
But today I finally think I understood the level of jelly and hatred that creates these people.

>>7655504

I think it may have something to do with having the same print as the 270,000yen dress. A bit like not making this one too cheap so the other one doesn't look too expensive?

Kind of a dumb reason, though.

>>7655190

I don't know what they were thinking at JetJ. That dress is nice but it's definitely NOT worth 700 USD.

Is there a way to tell if your coord (or just general outfit) looks like crap? I'm trying to pull together an outfit for a convention but I'm afraid it will look awful. But itas wouldn't purposefully dress bad, they think they look nice.

>>7657088
blur face, post here for concrit
it will be brutal if it's bad, but you're going to get a much more honest response here from people who don't know or care about you (as opposed to asking friends or tumblr).

>>7657088
Alternatively, look through the cgl archive and find a thread where people dumped photos of your coord's style (classic, sweet, etc). Look at the coordinates other people are saving and reposting and try to measure yourself against them. I do this a lot, personally. You can also look for other people wearing your same main pieces (if they're named) by searching on places like here, tumblr, and lookbook and compare your coordinate to theirs. What do you like/dislike? Try doing a mental "who wore it better", that might help too.

>>7657088
What con is this for?

>>7657098
because people only wear lolita at cons rite

>>7657099
Anon said they were trying to pull together an outfit for a convention, so I wanted to know which one just to see how long they had is all.

>>7657099
Anon...
>>7657088
> I'm trying to pull together an outfit for a convention

Anyway, post it here or if you are part of a comm, see if they have an advice. Just blur out your face or make a collage.

>>7657104
Oh shit, I'm sorry. I actually didn't see that. Carry on, kind anon.

>Dressed in Lolita for 3 years
>Studied fashion design
>Love to make patterns
>Post in Local comm if people want help with basic patterns in there size
>Retailers contacting me and ask if I can produce so I can sell
>Equipment to make it look professional (Gerbers accumark and plotter) cost fucking 17.000$
>Have the money to buy it
>Is it worth it tho?

Geez will pepole acctually buy this stuff...? I love to make patterns but is it worth it in the end? I don't know what to do or where to turn. Help me /cgl

Would people buy Lolita pattern? What would they buy them for? Help...

>Pic related, basic pattern of upper body for a dress before alteration. Drawn buy hand when I was bored at work.

>>7657110
>What would they buy them for?

Good spelling made by me. Not.
Ofc I meant what would people pay for it.

>>7657110
Maybe ask on /biz/ as well.

I understand that lolita and possibly cosplay would be part of your marketbase but they have more knowledge regarding investments.

>>7657142

Unsure about cosplay tho, most of the costumes goes with basic patterns without much alteration at all. But maybe maybe.

Thanks for the /biz/ tip.

Thinking most basic dresses with tips on where you can put lace and other stuff since most of it is design and fabric when it comes to Lolita.

>>7657110

Yes, I'm guessing there is a market for this, especially if you do more than 1 size (plus sizes will probably be popular).
But will you ever make back the 17k you spent? Probably not and therein lies your problem. You will likely make a loss.
People will probably only buy the patterns if they aren't very expensive you see.

>>7657165

>Lowest I can go for it to be worth it is 35$ wit taxes
>Need to sell about 500 patterns to cover the cost.
>As long as i go with a loss I get back the tax.

>>7657164
Sketch I made

Posting garment sketch of IW Lottas design done in a rush.

Thinking of doing allot of sizes also maybe smaller so that moms can help there children sew in there size. Also thinking of custom made patterns from a persons own measurements but then for a higher cost ofc.

>>7657164
You could probably do quite well selling pdf's of patterns or w/e on etsy. If you're a decent sewer, make sample pieces, coord and photograph them nicely and chuck them on tumblr with a link. Plus sizes would be good, even better if you were to offer a custom size service (charge a premium). But realistically, as >>7657165 said, you won't likely make back your money that way. You'll want to look into other markets, rather than relying on lolitas/cosplayers. I've heard of people offering custom pattern making services sort of freelance, which might be good to look into as well.

Remember that one lolita in the last general?

>>/soc/19676922

>>7654518
15 main pieces and 13 blouses, with plenty of shoes etc. to go with it. I consider my wardrobe medium sized... out of curiosity for those who have already posted their wardrobe ratios do you consider your collection small, medium or large sized?

>>7657177

Well, 35 usd seems very fair to me but it's possible people will be too cheapskate for that.
Especially with mooks like Otome no Sewing and Gosu Rori around that have about 10+ patterns each issue and are pretty cheap if you know the right place to score them.
Those will likely be your biggest competitor, but to your advantage, your patterns are in English and won't need to be translated and come in larger sizes.
I assume you add seam allowances to your patterns (the Japanese mook makers never do) which would be nice.

>>7657178
Pdf is a very good idea.
I also agree that custom sizing is a great service to offer and that you can ask a little more for that.
It would be nice if the patterns came with a sample picture of an actual garment.

>>7657178
Pdf is a good idea. But where it fails is that a regular person often don't have a printer and would print it in accurate size. Thought about doing that with some patterns in 1:4 scale.

And then we have the pirating problem that comes with such files.

I'm pretty good at sewing, studied it for 3 years and have an industrial sewing machine here at home. Thought about sewing them in just plain basic offwhite fabric and include so you could see how it would look (hard to see all details if it's on a printed fabric), also maybe include instructions.

>>No.7657188
Yes I would ofc add seam allowances and also maybe pree-cut the pattern so you don't have to trace it. Since the plotter both prints and if you want, cuts out the pattern right away.

So basically, say that you would buy one. I print and cut it in the size you need and packing it in some fancy package and send it to you.

>sorry for bad spelling/english

>>7657188

>double post

Yes I would ofc add seam allowances and also maybe pree-cut the pattern so you don't have to trace it. Since the plotter both prints and if you want, cuts out the pattern right away.

So basically, say that you would buy one. I print and cut it in the size you need and packing it in some fancy package and send it to you.

>>7653320
Wow, just so everyone knows unless you want your items to come at the same time don't bother to consolidate the packages.
Before I did that, to ship them separately only cost 4,000 yen. The price briefly dropped to 3,900 yen, BUT Tenso tacked on a 'consolidation fee' for themselves and now the price is 4,600 yen, plus you had to wait a business day for them to do it.

I'm a little annoyed..

Are secrets going to be posted incredibly late this week as well?
I wish there was a set time they'd be up by. I used to enjoy reading them before I went to work.

>>7657228
>>7653320

I didn't even bother answering your previous question, because the package consolidation thing is already on their website.

As is their fees for consolidation.

Along with a warning that in most cases consolidation will lower your shipping costs but not always.

Just give up. Stop using Tenso. They'll be happy you're not bothering them with your stupidity.

>>7657229
Same, I love to read them when I wake up Saturday mornings before heading off to work. Unless they go up in the next half hour I'm gonna have to wait til I'm back home to read them :(

>>7657233
...okay. Token unnecessary bitch post for the day.
You sure showed me anon, boy golly.

>>7657247
I agree. Seems someone is on the rag.
Was you spending six extra dollars supposed to teach you a lesson? I don't get it.

>>7657247
If it's in their terms of service then it's your fault for being a dumbass and using a service you don't fully understand.

>inb4 paypal because most of you don't know how to use it properly either

>>7657249
Like you couldn't answer a simple question.
People ask questions like that here all the time, the issue is that you're a cunt.
>bawww people don't used a ss service the way I want them to and ask dumb questions abloobloo QQ

>>7657233
>"HAHA I knew the answer to that question but I'll let you spend a few more dollars, that ought to teach you for being stupid and asking questions on a lolita general HAHA!"

>>7657247
>>7657248

She signed up for a site, refuses to read their FAQ (written in English, not moonrunes), won't ask questions to their support staff (also speak English) and instead comes here to bother us with her truly basic questions.

I've just truly never seen anyone this stupid.

>>7657253
No, really, you're just a fucking bitch and nobody would care if you didn't make that post to rub it in their face. Purposefully going out of your way to show off what a massive cunt you are because you think someone else is stupid still makes you look like a cunt.

You sound like a basic bitch.

>>7657252

Actually, in response to her first question I choose to not answer so that she can either spend time looking for the package consolidation options herself and learn something that way, or spend more money shipping two packages.

As it turns out she both spent time looking for the option, found it and learnt how to use it, but it still cost her more.

I'm definitely laughing anon. Events went better than expected.

>>7657255

You're forgetting that they're acting as if this is somehow Tenso's fault. It isn't. Anon is just really stupid.

>>7657229
They're up

>>7657259
You could have always just said "Look in the FAQ."

Shut up cunt queen. Nobody cares about your superior tensofu.

>>7657259
Not them but you truly sound like a pathetic person.

>>7657260
I laugh at secrets like these, but then I think to myself:
Who the fuck is the /soc/ regular who lurks camwhore threads enough to catch something like this? Also people better get used to camwhores in their fashion, they're starting to catch on.

>>7657263

>superior tensofu
>only used them once

>Look in the FAQ
>not using common sense.

Oh anon.

I'm kinda sad I have to stop bantering with you now, but I'm worried that stupidity might be contagious. Have fun with your six dollars and your package.

>>7657272
>still angry that people think she's a cunt
Bitch shut the fuck up.

>>7657272
>Have fun with your six dollars and your package.
Uh..I will I guess?

>>7657271
Someone who was bored and actually followed the link to the /soc/-thread that was posted in the cringe thread

>>7657323
But someone would have had to been lurking /soc/ to post it to the cringe thread.

>>7657329
This is true.

>>7657260
Anyone save #16? It's gone already.

>>7657529
since when did they start taking down posts...sux

>>7657529
16 was boring anyway.

>>7657556
Why was this removed?

>>7657529
Here is also 41

I'm so sick of people sending me messages like "What's the lowest you would take for this?"
One person has not only just done this but also previously made me an offer on another item only to never respond to me when I accepted it. I wish there was a way to leave negative feedback for this sort of thing.

>>7657529
42

>>7657558
fuck if I know. I just had the window open still before they deleted it.

>>7657529
and 43.

>>7657571
>>7657568
>>7657565
>>7657556
Them deleting secrets is bullshit.

>>7657565
That girl who posted here asking if she looked OK for a first outfit as well?

>>7657565
If it wasn't for this girl's 'kinks' no one would be getting this angry about what they consider to be mediocre outfits, or even the apparent buying of likes. Can these people not at least be honest with themselves and admit that they just don't like how she uses/expresses her sexuality and that anything else is just pretense?

If lolita really is 'just a fashion', as so many claim, then why should it matter what people choose to do whilst wearing it? Nobody talks about other people desecrating the image and culture of jeans and t-shirt, a Chanel dress or even someone exhibiting elements of a wider subculture such as 'goth'.

There seems to be such fear and paranoia surrounding lolita+sex/sexuality. These girls only make up a tiny and insignificant fraction of a community of tens of thousands and their presence is hardly enough to have any impact on general public perception of the fashion (who don't actually give a shit for more than five minutes anyway).

Did anyone save the 4 removed secrets?

>>7657629
If this is about cutecollar, I see your point, but some people actually disliked her coords before knowing about her tumblr. She was posted here a few times just for makeup and outfits, before people found out about the likes and kinks.

>>7657632
4?!? God the mods are such pussies

>>7657649
Yeah, I remember those posts, the venom wasn't really there then though, she was one of many.

>>7656079
Somebody please help this poor girl out.

Seconding this post.

>>7653414
honestly, bodyline's prices are so jacked nowadays that taobao/2ndhand is better even for newbies

>>7657656
Pro-tip: if you want to samefag your post about blouses , the best way would be to reply to yourself giving absolutely shit advice, then people will jump all over correcting it and offering better alternatives.

>>7656079
MILANOO IS THE BEST

>>7657088
I put the outfit I had planned on and it looks like sh*t. I will post pics in a sec because they are from my phone. The first one I have fur topped boots for. The capelet makes it very top heavy, but id still like to wear it so is there anything i can do to make it look acceptable? They are both lacking accesories and proper hairstyle. I think the second might actually be ok but I'm not sure.

It's for a steampunk convention, so I am not wearing lolita. I am not very good at steampunk either I don't own anything for it. But lolitas are the best at fashion advice so haalp ?

>>7656079
Either buy directly from the brands (obviously BtSSB, AP, but also IW does some sweet-suitable blouses), or you go for cheap options like Bodyline and Anna House (be careful not to buy their ita ones, although generally their blouses are not too bad and if you know what you're looking for, you know what to avoid), or even Taobao shops (check the Taobao thread shop list for more info)

Very bad coord?

Slightly better?

>>7657629
To be perfectly honest, I dislike her strictly for the fact that she's so desperate for attention that she is constantly pimping her social media even though her content is so mediocre. Buying Likes is so fucking pathetic too, especially considering the fact that this new social media identity she's tried to take on is so new. She's so impatient for the attention she thinks she deserves that she felt the need to actually spend money on creating a bogus popularity count. The fact that she was doing low-quality porn on the side just reinforces the fact that she's starved for attention but it's in no way the main reason why I dislike her.

>>7657791
>>7657775
What are these supposed to even be?

>>7657791
Without any tags, I would have thought this was a mori girl outfit. The outfit needs to be tightened up to look less ragged and layered.

>>7657629
And on the subject of lolita being "just clothes" to some people, you're absolutely right; there are people out there who really do see lolita as "just clothes", but these also tend to be the same people who also have no respect for the brands, artists, and artisans who create the clothes they are wearing and their love of the style only goes as far as finding things they want and buying them (regardless of who it might hurt, in the case of replicas). HOWEVER, there is nothing entirely wrong with this mentality if you exclude the replica argument (and the "mistreatment" of items, however you choose to define it). It is perfectly okay to see this stuff as "just clothes" if you're just not passionate enough to call it a hobby. For the majority of us who do consider lolita fashion to be a hobby, however, it's frustrating to see the damage done as a result of more "casual" fans who couldn't care less about the value of rare items or the people involved in the creation process. This is the nature of a collecting hobby; there will always be a rift between casuals and hobbyists because casuals generally don't respect their items nearly as much as a collector would (in the sense that a serious collector would keep all of their dresses in individual garment bags so they don't rub against each other, vs. a casual who would rather fold up a dress and keep it in a drawer). There's a very broad spectrum of attitudes you can take towards the fashion, but people on the extreme ends of the scale will always be at odds. Sorry for the tl;dr but this seems to be a concept you genuinely do not understand and it actually has very little to do with performing sex acts in brand.
And for the record, people definitely get in a tizzy about desecrating things like blue jeans (have you seen the price of vintage Levi's lately?), as well as Chanel and other high fashion brands. Again, it's all about where you fall on the casual vs. collector scale.

>>7655036
Wow, I'm a little jealous. How old are you, anon?

>>7657775
>>7657791
The first one honestly looks like a hot mess and should not be worn in public if you don't want people thinking you're legitimately homeless. The second is a bit more cohesive and struck me as an attempt at mori, I'm not sure if you intended to wear that hairstyle and makeup to the con but if I were you I'd find a wig and maybe a little eye makeup. The pieces also fit together nicely but the color scheme is a bit off for mori and maybe a change of shoes (some brown ankle boots would be cute).

>>7657768
My dream blouses are from AP but I'm not ready for that kind of money per blouse. I've tried Bodyline and they're always out of the ones I want. I was hoping someone knew some Taobao stores, but I didn't think to check the thread shop list. Ill try Anna House too, thanks so much!

>>7657760
bruh

>>7657748
Wasn't even me looool

>>7657656
Thanks, anon.

>>7657896
It's worth the money anon

>>7657775
>>7657791
They look like shitty attempts at mori

>>7657803
Hey anon, I actually really appreciate this reply and I would like to think that I can at least appreciate this perspective and have thought about it a bit more. I can't claim that I've never in my life felt frustration regarding how people treat clothing, a friend of mine once turned a rare, full length gunne sax dress into a tiny mini dress and it admittedly kinda killed me a little, if only for a while.

Having said that, the amount of time that certain people seem to spend fixated on the choices that other people make, as if they're fulled by their own disapproval, just seems to take some of the beauty and joy out of it, which seems like a kinda paradox when they claim to represent virtue.

I often find myself kinda confused and on the fence with these things because I'm not a collector or serious hobbyist, but I wouldn't say my approach fit the 'casual' kinda mould either.

Regarding > it actually has very little to do with performing sex acts in brand

I'm still not 100% convinced that this in itself isn't the principal point of anguish for a number of people that have a problem with this girl, I think the very nature of 'sex acts in brand' along with a visible media presence is too much for certain lolita fashion followers. I've been noticing skittishness regarding lolita and sex/sexuality for many years now, to a degree I've never noticed in other fashions, even with the couture aficionado types.

>>7657803
Hey anon, I actually really appreciate this reply and I would like to think that I can at least appreciate this perspective and have thought about it a bit more. I can't claim that I've never in my life felt frustration regarding how people treat clothing, a friend of mine once turned a rare, full length gunne sax dress into a tiny mini dress and it admittedly kinda killed me a little, if only for a while.

Having said that, the amount of time that certain people seem to spend fixated on the choices that other people make, as if they're fulled by their own disapproval, just seems to take some of the beauty and joy out of it, which seems like a kinda paradox when they claim to represent virtue.

I often find myself kinda confused and on the fence with these things because I'm not a collector or serious hobbyist, but I wouldn't say my approach fit the 'casual' kinda mould either.

Regarding

> it actually has very little to do with performing sex acts in brand

I'm still not 100% convinced that this in itself isn't the principal point of anguish for a number of people that have a problem with this girl, I think the very nature of 'sex acts in brand' along with a visible media presence is too much for certain lolita fashion followers. I've been noticing skittishness regarding lolita and sex/sexuality for many years now, to a degree I've never noticed in other fashions, even with the couture aficionado types.

>>7657909
I can believe it, they're gorgeous. Ill have to save up, or seriously stalk the second hand sites.

>>7657988

>fuelled

because I clearly can't spell for shit

>>7657775
>>7657791

Were these attempts at lolitaxmori?

>>7657909
Ehhh I wouldn't say that exactly. Definitely better than Bodylines shitty, wrinkly, scratchy blouses (no experience with Anna House), but certainly not worth $100+ new. I usually wait til lucky pack season then snap up the LP blouses for cheap.

>>7657110
I'm kinda curious about some help with pattern making myself. Left my email and shoot me one by, I'm just really bad at making patterns.

>>7657988
Maybe because people are sick of the fashion being grouped together with the other type of lolita? It sounds like you've been fortunate enough to not have to deal with creeps coming up to you and assuming you're into some like open fetish shit just because you're wearing lolita, but some of us have had to deal with that.
I think most people with a serious interest in the fashion and any sense of dignity/propriety cares about keeping the public's interpretation of Nabokov's Lolita and the fashion as separate as possible. People publicly mixing sexual acts/sexuality with the fashion only reinforces the misconception normalfags have about the fashion (which is uncomfortable/unpleasant to have to deal with constantly).
I really don't understand why you can't grasp that this particular fashion would have more of a problem than generic couture.

Also, what you think is one or two anons spending a lot of time making a fuss about these girls is in all likelihood several anons. Thank god for anonymity.

>>7658031
Aren't LP blouses not as good as regular blouses? I have two LP blouses from AP and I have my doubts as to whether they are just as good as the blouses AP put out regularly.

I have blouses from Anna House and I have to say they are quite nice. They are made of a slightly thicker material though and not as soft, but at least you don't run the risk of cheap lace like Bodyline blouses.

>>7658285
People need to learn to keep lolita and your sex lives separate for the sake of the rest of us. You can be a horny bastard and be a lolita, but don't go parading the two together and then be shocked when others think lolita is a kink for everyone. I mean not saying you can't have lolita for a kink, but for goodness sakes keep it offline at least.

>>7658285
Where do you live or wear are you going that people just are running up to you inviting you to kinky parties or just talking to you about weird fetishes? I've been wearing lolita for about four years as a lone lolita several times a week and I've never encountered this kind of harassment.

Are you the kind of person who opens up with 'Oh it's a Japanese fashion called lolita! BUT NOT THAT LOLITA GAWD' and then when people look at you funny afterwards you think they are judging you to be into weird shit? I always get really confused when people who wear alt. fashion constantly whine about what normal fags think about them. Maybe lolita isn't for you if you're so concerned about a stranger's judgement.

>>7658352
>Are you the kind of person who opens up with 'Oh it's a Japanese fashion called lolita! BUT NOT THAT LOLITA GAWD'
Lol mte
though to be fair I do think pedos/creepster target lolitas for whatever reason.

>>7658352
I never said that I was invited to kinky parties, so stop putting words under my fingers. I was referring to the fact that I, and other anons, have been approached at the mall by a guy who propositioned me as well as been followed by multiple creepy people. I live in a fairly nice part of an okay city in the midwest (Chicago). I always defer questions as much as possible, but people are fucking nosy and have followed me around a park before pestering me with questions. At some point I have to mention the name, but no, I'm not some obnoxious arse about it.
I'm fine with people thinking I dress like a weirdo. I'm not fine with them assuming I am acting out some kink in public or am out trying to attract older men, which is what this sort of behavior reinforces.

>>7658361
Just to be clear none of you look like an actual child for a pedo to want to molest.

Honestly I never even say lolita when I talk about what I'm wearing when people ask and the few who actually do know the name of it are already aware of the fashion so nothing to explain.

Have I gotten weird looks and laughed at, etc? Yeah of course, it's expected as I look like a freak to normal people, but I've never had anyone somehow equate what I'm wearing to mean I must be into weird sex. So I honestly don't care if people take pictures of themselves doing kinky stuff in lolita. Obviously other people care but the whole 'Strangers will think I'm into a fetish!' is hilarious to me as a reason to dislike someone fucking in AP.

>>7658369
Maybe not pedos but ephebophiles and dudes that want to fuck teenagers, yeah they are definitely into this sort of thing.
No, we don't look like literal children and don't attract literal pedophiles. But there are a lot of old guys out there that love young women so of course they are attracted to a fashion that emphasizes carefree youth.

>>7658367
Do you honestly believe that those people saw someone online dressed in AP getting rammed and that's why they were an asshole to you? Lol that's kind of adorable. Guess what, it's because you're dressed weird, not because they follow that girl's Tumblr.

Seriously you must not be trying very hard if you Have to say the name to someone.

>>7658373
Which would happen even if people didn't take dirty pictures in frilly dresses.

>>7658377
I just imagine some middleaged normalfag following some lolita around, pestering her, finally grabbing her by shoulders and shaking her while yelling "THE NAME!!! TELL ME THE NAME!!!!!"

>>7658369
Like I stated in my original post, I am totally fine with them doing whatever the hell they want in their clothing. Just don't drag the community/other lolitas into it by posting it online (or in one of these cases, potentially triggering an influx of faggots from /soc/).

If it's not a problem for you guys >>7658369
>>7658377, then whatever, but yeah, this rustles my jimmies and makes me not want to sell to or buy from either of those people. If they were in my comm, I'd feel plenty fucking uncomfortable.

>>7658382
SHE WAS DRESSED LIKE YOU AND HAD HUGE NIPS AND A DILDO, I KNOW YOURE INTO IT! THE NAAAAAME

>>7658385
>>7658382
You are both making way too big of deal out of this.

>>7658386
Lol it's hilarious though? You're the one trying to tell people what to do with their online life, that's pretty arrogant IMO.

>>7658318
Depends on the brand. Meta LP blouses are usually their clearance. Same with IW. Angelic Pretty LP blouses (and dresses).. aren't made badly, but I feel like they might be made in a rush? or by a slightly cheaper sewing studio? I mean, they aren't bad, but they aren't quite the same as their other pieces. The trims tend to be cheaper; eyelet or some of their less popular custom laces are common (it's still way better than anything bodyline uses), but they aren't bad... you really would have to know it was a LP blouse to catch it. I have 3 different styles, and if any of them would fit me, I'd totally wear them, I just wear a size L blouse and they are all M.

>>7658285
The lolita namesake is problematic, I get that, I just don't think the general public care as much about it as those participating in it think they do. I've experienced the 'isn't that like that Nabokov novel'? Thing once or twice, it's annoying and I try to explain in a polite fashion but honestly, the public at large has no idea about these girls, and their presence in 'the world out there' is so minimal as to be negligible. Any 'fame' or infamy that they do acquire seems to be largely provided and perpetuated by those bitching about them. The fuel to this fire isn't all just justice for lolita fashion or whatever, people just really, really like gossip and talking shit. Having an apparent cause just makes it sweeter I guess.

Why must it be so hard to look for items on lolibrary. It shouldn't be this hard to find 'Metamorphose Rose Gobelins underbust dress'

It's not in florals, roses, gobelin, gobelins, underbust, convertable straps, skirt, adjustable straps.

I just want to find some worn pictures

>>7658397

Normalfags straight up do not give a shit about Lolita. I've been in the fashion since 2006 and the longest conversation I've ever had about it was 5 minutes and it went something like "like the book?" "No" "oh, okay cool."

People like that lapin chocolat girl or the girl from the /soc/ thread aren't going to give lolitas "a bad name" or change the public perception because there isn't really a public perception. It's "those girls dress funny" and that's about it.

>>7658400
Meta has released a lot of dresses with that specific gobelin fabric over the years. I have an OP with it in bordeaux and the only pictures I have found of it are from secondhand stores and their blog because it is so old (early 2000s). Lolibrary is shit for anything not recent unless it's from Angelic Pretty. They only have a very small fraction of releases on there. Their Moitie section is an utter joke for example. Just search for Metamorphose gobelin JSK in katakana or something. I have seen worn pictures of this but that was years ago and I don't think I saved any, sorry.

>>7658321

That's never going to happen. People have a right to do whatever they want in the clothes they bought.

I think that there should be more lolita kink blogs! Involving brand!

>>7657813
I like the idea of mori, but I always find that it turns out looking nothing like I had imagined. The colours are always so boring and muted, like if you fell into a pool of mud and climbed out and it dried all over your clothes. So it's not supposed to be mori. I am under the impression that it is ok, just not really a proper mori girl outfit?

What colour wig? I was going to actually do something nice to my hair (not sure what) as this is just my waking up hair and not something I go out with haha. And of course I will wear makeup! I'm glad you mentioned the ankle boots as I have been looking for some.

>>7658373

It doesn't look like "carefree youth", it looks fucking ridiculous for the most part. Or goth. Or victorian. Most men aren't like "hot teenager", they're probably like "girl with mental problems", but that's just something you have to deal with when you walk out of the house wearing anything other than jeans and a t-shirt.

>>7658425
I dunno if you're agreeing with me, but I agree with you man. The 'isn't that like that Nabokov novel' thing happened twice in the 8+ years I've been doing this shit, and only then because they coaxed the name out of me. For what it's worth, they accepted my explanation, said it was cool, then got on with the rest of their day.

Also, I'm an oldfag and people were having this very same debate several years back about a few other notorious girls getting 'sexy with lolita fashion' - public perception didn't change (hell, it barely even existed), nothing changed, normalfolk remained none the wiser/couldn't give a shit for more than a few moments about some oddly dressed girls they once saw.

>>7657180
Ugh, just stop
You're worst than that anon with a hate bonner for Rosaire

>>7657795
But why do you dislike it? Just ignore her
It sounds like your obsessed with the chick

>>7658429
Is there anywhere better that catalogues Moitie? Their section is sparse as hell.

>>7658522
You can see what was on Hello Lace by using the Wayback machine. There's much more there than on Lolibrary.

I need to get back to a buyer with a shipping quote soon, and she has requested that I mark as a gift and mark down the value of the package. (It's international.) I know it's fairly common practice but I'm hesitant to do it anyway.

In addition, she has requested tracking (and I guess that's PPs TOS anyway). When I tried to ship to a different country in the EU a couple of weeks ago, I was told only express mail gets tracking (to that country) and it was $47 to ship the item. I'm hoping that isn't the case this time but I won't know until I can ask on Monday.

Has anyone found the most cost-efficient way to provide good, tracked shipping from the USA to the UK/EU? I'm really unfamiliar with this. I want to avoid overcharging her, but I also can't afford to pay shipping costs out of pocket.

plz help if you can, much appreciated!

>>7658560
You're already sending her an item falsely marked to skip out on customs. I honestly wouldn't worry about the general shipping charge on someone already having you scam the system.

>>7658560
If you ship online using USPS first class international mail, tracking is available to some countries (such as France, Germany, Australia). Note that you can only get tracking to *some* countries and only by shipping online through the USPS website. Tracking for first class is not available through Paypal shipping or at the post office.

People still want the deleted secrets? Kept the page up on my ipod before i went to sleep.

>>7658617
They were posted earlier in the thread and then deleted almost immediately. A comment about deleting the secrets being dumb was also deleted too, janitor-chan seems a bit mad

>>7658617
upload on imgur and link pls

>>7658636
>>7658631

imgur'd for you lolis, enjoy

imgur.com/9aeqtMZ,tJ7h0qa,hKKNRnU,S9bvkTN

>>7658667
What the actual fuck is that, they uglified those shoes or did bodyline create that shit? Who on earth thought those were fashionable in any sense?

>>7658617
>>7658631
>>7658636

Just go to the cgl archive.

>>7658712
Darn, they should have madew the black box on her ass smaller

>>7657629
I dislike the kink girl, too, but shit, I agree.

Who cares what kind of sex life she lives? Hell, I'm into the whole Master-Slave thing, too. I thought her pictures were nice.

Let's focus on how much of a rude cunt she is instead of her kinks. That way the people who aren't cunts can lead a happy sex life without second hand guilt.

>>7658031
If your only experience with brand blouses is with LP ones, then you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>7658318
>>7658391
My lucky pack blouses are far lower on the quality spectrum as compared to full priced blouses, I think second anon is right that they use cheaper materials- the fabric is often thinner too- it would be influenced by the price point of the LP, I've noticed the LP dresses are lower quality than the usual releases also- of course I'm talking made for LP sets.

>>7658746
>If your only experience with brand blouses is with LP ones, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's not though, I don't know why you'd assume that? I have blouses and cutsews from all the major brands and only 3 of them are LP blouses, and I'd still say that the LP blouses are leagues better than Bodyline, and I'd also still say that not a single brand blouse that I've seen or owned has been worth $100+.

>>7657629
Reposting to make it board related:

I dislike the kink girl from the secrets, too, but shit, I agree; Who cares what kind of sex life she lives outside of lolita? That's her issue. Hell, I'm into the whole Master-Slave thing, too. I thought her pictures were nice. Her nipples aren't that bad, and her house is pretty. If that's the life she chooses to live outside of lolita, then so be it. I don't think that she was forcing her kinks into anything. That's her blog, she can post whatever she wants. If she happens to post porn along with it, oh well.

She's really rude and could stand to coord the brand she has with a little more effort, but that's about it.

If people see lolita as sexual, it won't be because of her. It'll be because of that Lolita book that nobody ever read but for some reason make assumptions about anyways. If that happens, say, "Yes, the fashion has the same name. No, I'm not wearing it for fetish reasons. I just want to wear pretty dresses." and bam, end of discussion.

There are many other, more valid reasons to hate someone for. Let's use those.

>>7658755
I said 'if' anon, there was no assumption. I've never owned bodyline, which is why I can't comment on that, but I would be inclined to disagree on price point, I'm happy to pay that for a brand blouse I really like- but blouses do seem to go on sale often if they're not a popular style (that CDC blouse anyone?) so I can understand why people wouldn't often end up paying so much.

>>7658758
Trust me, no one is bothered to read that mediocre book and it is because of sugar kiddies and people like her, for other boards anyway. Maybe excluding /lit/ .

>>7658765
>Lolita
>mediocre
Do you even /lit/, pleb ?

>>7658782
You've got clear bias.

>>7653011
>lace crosses
Yess anon let me live vicariously through you. I love cross dresses but personally don't feel comfortable wearing religious motifs as an atheist in a religious town.

>>7658352
Different anon but my local comm has been plagued by creeps for years. The online community requires you to post at least one photo of yourself in a full lolita outfit before you're allowed to join, because before that we kept getting creepy guys who joined just to ask girls about "private photoshoots" and their favourite type of bloomers and shit. Even now when we meet in public places (park, museum, etc.) we sometimes get weird old guys who just start hanging around and trying to pick up girls. And when we ask them to leave us alone, they get mad because "why are you dressing like this if you don't want male attention?". We don't even use the word lolita, we use egl.
We also have this gross half-assed brolita who I'm 99% sure is just using the fashion to get his jollies but because he shows up in frills we can't tell him to gtfo.

Idgaf what girls do in the bedroom brand or not, but the sexual connotation is there and it's fucking annoying.

Does anyone know when the next Otome no Sewing autumn issue is likely to come out?

>>7653011
Just make up your own goddamn design instead of being tacky and replicating stuff that you'll never be able to make look half as good

>>7658541
Why won't Hello Lace and Lolibrary combine their website?

>>7658953
woa, bitch much. I normally make my own designs, okay? I just like these designs and ideas, I just don't want to buy the original because one is far too big in measurements for me and the other would probably be far too expensive for just a black dress. At least I enjoy making my own dresses next to buying brand, thank you very much.

>>7659045
I didn't realize that the value of a dress is determined by how plain the color is. Thank you for enlightening me.

>>7659058
it isn't, but moitie in general is expensive, so that's why I want to replicate if for myself.

I want to know if there are some sweet lolita shoes with softer fake leather materials, because seems most of them are created with hard PU and so can hurt the feet a little in some cases, especially my big toe. I bought some bodyline shoes and they are made of this material (well i mistaked also the size cause i thought that shoe model was true to size instead it's too small). I want to buy tea parties mostly or similar with low heels.

does anyone know what print/brand she's wearing?

>>7659662
Looks like the AP Magical Etoile JSK to me.

>>7659662
Could that be AP Magical Etoile's re-release in mint? I don't really follow sweet releases but I tend to have good memory.

>>7659662
Angelic Pretty Magical Etoile jsk in sax

>>7659662
No contribution but this ad is making me laugh so hard.

>>7659662
Actually I think >>7659667 is right. I get mint and sax confused sometimes. Its really good thing I'm not a sweet lolita.

Where can I get an ultra casual lolita silhouette skirt like this? I saw pastelbutt mentioned in another thread so was looking through her older outfits.

>>7659662
I now want to have a fake human skeleton as a clothes mannequin.

>>7659679
She usually writes what she's wearing under the picture.

>>7659064
>taking that seriously

Do you have assburgers?

My measurements: 83cm, 66cm.

Dress I want:
S - 88, 68. (But seller says it's suitable for human size 78-82, 59-63)
M - 92, 72. (Suitable for 82-86, 64-68)

What size should I get? I'm afraid to have a tight fit, and also afraid to end up swimming in the dress.

>>7660524
Get the M and tailor in the chest. Always better to get too big then get tailored especially if it's a non brand piece.

>>7660531

Oops, deleted my post because I made a small mistake.
Didn't think anyone would reply that fast.

But thanks anon!
Have you gotten pieces tailored before? How much does it cost?
I've ever gotten anything tailored before and am honestly afraid that it'll look like shit.

>>7659723
It's old enough that she didn't do outfit rundowns yet.

Where do hime lolitas get those chunky mini crowns? When I look online all I can find are thin wirey ones that look like they're made of pipe cleaners.

>>7659682
They're called super models

>>7660582
Like these?
http://baby-piggy.taobao.com/

>>7660625
omg those are perfect!! Thank you so much anon!!

Is there a way to wear a chiffon blouse with a skirt tastefully? I see a lot of talk about them, but is it solely for under JSK's?

I'm trying to buy a classical puppets petticoat and I was gonna buy it from clobbaonline but their order form is a pain in the ass. Is there another place where I can buy it from that is not a shopping service?

How do you reduce the collar on a blouse? I have one and it's comically huge.

>>7660658
Qutieland has them, but Qutie doesn't have the bell shape.
Clobba really isn't a pain in the ass. It's not even that long.

>>7660655
Maybe if you could find a camisole/tank top whose collar matches up with the collar of the blouse so only the sleeves look translucent?

>>7660655
I think they can look nice with a pretty lace edged camisole underneath, but you definitely need to accessorize well.

>>7660658
Loli-loli Paradise or my-lolita-dress

>>7652954
Has anyone ever gotten a dress altered by a tailor or seamstress before?
How much should I expect to pay if I want two panels added to the back shirring of a dress?

Is hime lolita generally restricted to classic or sweet influences? Can I be an elegant gothic princess?

>>7660881
It's more of the shape and style (sleeve and bodice mainly) rather than colors. You can probably pull off a darker colorway. I think it would be really cool to see.

But Hime Lolita can be kind of hard to pull off. I'd be too afraid of looking like I just slapped a scepter and tiara on a otherwise regular coord

>>7658367
Somewhat OT, but I've been a lone Lolita for about five years now. A comm just formed in my area within the last year, so a few days ago I decided to go to my first meetup - a picnic in the park. And never before have I been so harassed.
We had multiple people take photos of us, even when we kindly asked them not to. I was walking down the sidewalk with two other girls when a woman pulled up and started taking photos. I asked her, "Oh, please, don't take pictures of us." She just stared me in the eyes and continued until we walked away.
We had multiple people approach us and ask us if there was a play going on today, why were dressed like Alice in Wonderland, were we birthday party princesses, could their kid get a photo with us, etc.
Parents talking badly about us directly in front of us, staring us down, laughing to each other, pulling their kids away when we came near or even relocating to another place in the park.
I've had a few strange encounters on my own, but never so much all at one time and all in one day. And I've never had somebody try to take a photo of me without my permission. Maybe they felt better about themselves acting like that because we were in a group, rather than targeting one girl out on her own?

>>7659662
I was excited to see people rage after you posted this, but then nobody recognized her. Your plan failed, OP!

>>7660959
I'm pretty sure everyone recognized her but nobody felt the need to say anything

>>7660959
Not OP, but I recognised her immediately. No one really cares about her anymore.

What do you guys look for when you attend meet ups held at someone home?
What kind of foods, decorations, or activities sound fun?

>>7660926
That happens with groups. If you're alone you seem more private or busy so taking photos would be rude but if you're in a group they think obviously you're staging some kind of social experiment or play for everyone's amusement and you want your picture taken. Your experience sounds a little extreme but yes, in the US at least it's common and makes me feel weird about big meets every time.

Anyone know if the pattern on JetJ's Amour D'amants skirt repeats perfectly around the fabric of the garment? I have the opportunity to buy it big, but it would have to be taken in, and I don't want there to be seams that cut out a portion of the scene if the skirt isn't sewn like that to begin with. I hope this makes sense, it's late where I am and I'm really tired.

>>7661140
If the waist gets taken in, the pleats would have to be redone.

>>7661140

You can request that the seamstress redo the entire waistband, redoing the pleats deeper to fit a smaller waistband so that you don't lose any of the skirt.

Probably costs more, but hey.

Is anyone even a little interested in this print?

>>7658947
Anyone?
I don't remember whether the previous ones came out in summer or early autumn.

>>7661477
only the brown colourway looks wearable.

>>7661477
Agreeing with >>7661837. Only the brown and the pink (which was originally shown) look decent.

>>7661477
this looks like something a taobao brand would make, but since it's omg ap!!1! it will sell

>>7661837
>>7661855

I wondered if I was the only one who hated it!

I don't see the pink though, do you still have the link?


>>7661858

Not really, Berry Garden, Dreamy Girl and Magical Etoile didn't sell well at all.
Last time I checked Magical Etoile was on their secret sale and didn't sell out even on sale either.

Does anyone know the popularity of Grazia crown by cut and colour?

>>7661919
As far as I know they're all pretty popular. Most popular being navy low waist and the least popular bordeaux high waist.

>>7661858
No. We don't blindly purchase whatever AP puts out. It's too expensive to do that.

>>7660995
The meetup i went to recently had a large selection of juices and teas; and cookies and snack platters ( meat and cheese) (veggies and ranch). It was a swap meet so not all up in the air fancy, but we watched tv and just chatted while trying on clothing. Went out for dinner. I thought it was fun!

>>7656079
I just got my order from Bunny House and her blouses are super cute for a sweet wardrobe. She uses custom measurements for everything, too.

Does anyone know the measurements in cm for these shoes? http://innocent-w.jp/onlineshop/en/133933.html

>>7654518
10 jsks, 6 ops, 3 skirts, 2 boleros, and maybe 9 blouses? I'm purging most of my blouses soon to afford better ones, so I suppose that count will go down a bit.

>>7655203
That's just kind of how it works. Basically, they are charging you extra for the labor. It's free to them if you weigh your package and print out your label at home, but if you have a postal employee do it, or use one of their machines, it's something they have to pay for, and thus charge you for.

It is odd that they'll quote you less sometimes, but perhaps you've overestimated the weight of your packages?

>>7661477
I would like it except for the stripes. You can hardly tell those are birdcages except for the brown, but even then it's kind of meh.

>>7661477
Meh. This is awful as that chocolate spring print. I love AP but at times does ugly stuff too. The sherbet gingham collection is wayyyy better, especially that pastel orange, a new color in sweet lolita!

>>7661477
Looks gross. I'll pass on this one.

>>7661814
The last one came out at the end of april, so I'm guessing October?

>>7658397
>>7658425
>7658425
Maybe it depends on where you live. I live in an urban U.S. city. Lately there's been a lot of dumb media appearances by different lolitas and I thought to myself, "Whatever, nobody even watches this crap. I'll be fine." But in the last year, the number of times I've been harassed in the street has increased so much. Lots of creepy guys approaching me saying, "I know about you. You're into that doll fashion. I've seen it on TV/Netflix/whatever. Don't try to deny it. Come back here." And I've been followed several times by guys yelling that crap.

So yeah, maybe in some parts of the world, it has little impact. But in my community, it has become a real issue.

>>7657110
>tfw study fashion design
>tfw unlimited access to gerber
>tfw in all 3 years of study only have 5x 2hr gerber classes.

I still have a year left, and was really excited about the program when we started, but the teacher was horrible. She was too busy trying to finish to the set pattern, instead of making sure everyone understood and actually learned the methods to create it.
After 3 months, no one in my class remembers how to use it.
>tfw she is the only teacher on campus that knows how to use the program.

>>7662163
I can vouch for this. Went to my first meetup in over a year a few months ago and I got the "doll lifestyle" question about 3 times while we were waiting for our table. We were in a touristy area, so I can assume that normalfags from across the country/world think this way regarding lolita. Could not believe it, I have never heard that up until now and I've been dressing in the fashion since 2005.

Thank goodness I'm into gothic, I guess. When it's just myself and a fellow goth friend, we tend to get a way more positive reaction. Bigger gatherings seem to be where the awkward comments and questions arise lately.

pmx finally remembered to announce their guest of honor. i'm so excited!

>>7662372
>IW at PMX
>IW sale starts tonight 30% -70%

BITCH I'M READY.

>>7662519
Woah, sale? I've been without internet and I am SO out of the loop.

Any recommendations on nice dress forms to hang your clothes on? I bought one from amazon but the thing can barely any weight above 2 pounds so it keeps falling over when I put my lolita dresses on it :(

I would love to get this Infanta jsk, anyone knows if it's better i get M or L?
My bust is barely 80 cm but my waist is 70 maybe 71 so the M would be a bit tight or the shirring help to stretch more. L seems too big for me and also long but waist is 74 cm.

>>7663052
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-1087129953.73.5s6yzo&id=39960261225

>>7662972
Well you're back just in time to spend money!
http://innocent-w.jp/news_e.html#n11
starts 14:00 JST

I'm noticing a real lack of poof in a lot of outfits. WHAT'S WITH THAT????

>>7664015
sunmmer?

Opinions on Qutieland?
The reviews are really good but they have a lot of out-of-stock stuff on made-to-order.
The estimated making time for the item I want is 45-50 working days (excluding weekends), so I won't be able to open a paypal dispute either.

>>7664097
it's a taobao reseller save yourself some money and just use a SS.

>>7664115
It's out of stock on taobao.

>>7662372
Is that blonde girl still working for Innocent World? All the next photos have a different model.

>>7664120
then Qutieland isn't going to have it. its' not like they stock up on items.

So I'm looking at the IW sale, and there's noticeably more stuff in the sale section in the Japanese site than there is on the English one. Anyone know what's up with that? Can I submit an order to IW using the international order form but with the Japanese information?

>>7664231
...nevermind, they must have deleted a bunch of things from the Japanese page, because the number of listings has gone way down.

>>7664115
Speaking of resellers, I was thinking about purchasing something through Clobbao. Also worth it to go through a SS in that case? Most of the prices don't seem that unreasonable.

Has someone seen any good examples of sweet print coords in a classic style?
I'm usually a gothic/classic lolita but I have two sweet prints from AP (Happy Garden, Cherry Berry Bunny) which I want to keep. But I fail to coord it in a way which doesn't look kawaii-ugu...

Do you think it depends on the cut and colour? Both prints are the black versions, HG is a skirt and CBB is a JSK. I tried googling the prints already but nothing came up.

>>7664218
Qutie has it on made-to-order though...? Which is why I'm confused. Qutie is pretty reputable though, but this makes me nervous.
http://www.qutieland.com/product.php?id=1181

>>7664246
I reserve some of my stuff through Clobba because my SS sometimes screws up.
I really love Martin, he's super sweet and understanding.
My SS cancelled my reservation for the DC Sailor Dress and I was super upset, but I can't withdraw money from my account, so I ended up not having enough money to even reserve through Clobba until I get paid. Martin was really cool with it and said he'll reserve it for me anyways and will send me the invoice when I'm ready.
Clobba is expensive though, save your brand bucks unless necessary.

Ggghhh I want the IW Rose Perfume Key & Pass Case on sale but the cheapass in me can't justify spending $25 + $15 shipping for that when I could use it to buy a taobao blouse or something.

>>7664246
>Clobbao
They're a little but better than Quiteland but Classical Puppets cupcake of death petti is only $37.88 that including the fee using taobao spree. They sell it for 42.95.

the main thing is with a tabao SS you're free to use ALL of taobao. I can buy things that aren't on their list. Stationary, cute kitchen items.

>>7664254
look Qutie land is going to get your order and then do it through taobao. if HMHM no longer sells it then they're just going to tell you it's sold out.

>>7664259
I'm >>7664254 and I definitely agree with this anon, I may have overglorified Clobba.
Use regular taobao SS for normal things, but Clobba is a good backup.
For example, they had the Dear Celine Invented Wings Knights set available days after Dear Celine took it off the shelf. A lot of anons got it through Clobba because the set sold out on DC almost immediately, but Clobba had a separate stock.

>>7664268
Thanks anon for all your help and being patient with my dumb questions!

>>7664231
I don't see anything on the sales section

>>7664274
it's alright. I used Q.land a few times before I realized how much they were overcharging me for everything. This vid. is rather helpful when it comes to using taobao spree. http://youtu.be/fl-lsLbVZgo

shit I accidentally ordered the wrong thing with innocent world
will they ban me if i try to change my order? I'll try to ask very nicely

>>7660959
>>7660960
>>7660989
Why, who is it? looks a bit like dakooter but I can't really tell

>>7664258
I'm with you on this. Especially since i live in Sweden who have natzi-like customs. I always have to count in that I need to pay 25% more when it arrives.

Last time I ordered from IW (one dress) I got to pay 100$ in customs and when me and my friend ordered 3 dresses from baby we had to pay 395$ om customs.

>>7664297
From what I understand, IW is more lenient than AP, etc when it comes to these things.

You could try requesting it, but perhaps stress that you don't mind leaving thingas-sis if it's going to cause any trouble?

>Better to get the wrong item, re-sell and then buy the wrong one than to not be able to buy anything.

So something I ordered that was on the 70% off sale page is no longer there (and in fact, I can't find it on the site at all??) What do? Will Innocent World blacklist me if I try to back out of the sale if it turns out to be full price?

>>7664319
When you copy and paste the code into your order form, it should say something like "【SALE】70%OFF" right?
I think they'll understand.

>>7664301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kk0XBrL40

My wallet may be hemorrhaging a little bit, but goddamn I am way too excited to care. I got my second brand dress and it was actually brand new. This is way too exciting.

>>7664315
Okay, sent.
Goddamn I am so worried.

>>7664315
Okay, sent.
Goddamn I am so worried. Especially anxious because english staff won't be working until Thursday to reply to my email.

>>7662519
Literally my thoughts exactly.

Just ordered a new dress through the sale, praying everything works out fine. I've never ordered from their website (only bought in person), so I'm nervous.

>>7663122
is the iw shop working right now? I'm getting an error

>>7664387
Is it possible that you ordered the last dress that they had in stock? That would explain it disappearing entirely. (If they've aready processed your order.)

any reason I should care if someone is using my photo for a WTB? once, i used someone else's picture for the same purpose and was sent a PM telling me I should have asked permission first. I've never used anyone else's picture after that, but I don't really care that my picture is being used. But, is there any reason I should care and message her?

Anyone have worn pics of this? Thinking of hitting up the IW sale.

>>7664445
I think it's okay to use someone else's photo as long as they explicitly state that it's not their picture, and there should be a reason why they're not using their own. (Or if they did include their own, there should be a good reason).
For instance, an anon on here was selling an IW dress using my picture because the stock picture's colour is really screwed up, and my photo's colour was very accurate.

>>7664387
I have never ordered from IW before - I just use the special order form, right?

>>7664279
That's actually really helpful, thanks!

>>7664463
ok i would not be happy with someone using my picture as a selling photo, but this is a WTB with my picture as the example of the items they want, not a selling photo, which I think is why i don't care at all. But yes, I agree that if someone were using it as a sales photo I would send them a message about it.

>>7664445
Just ask for permission before you use someone's photo. Why wouldn't you?

>>7664482
>tl;dr I'm lazy dumbass

>>7657806
I can not give out personal information on the net apart from non casual things. It's a danger to my identity and my profession. I should not even be on here but I have some rare down time and thought why not relax a little.

>>7664571
>>7664687
erm, I think you have both misunderstood my posts. Someone else has used MY photo for a WTB post and I don't know if there's any reason to message them about not asking my permission, since it's not for a proof photo or a sales post, but just a WTB post.

>>7664740
>>7664571
You mentioned that you had used someone's photo before, which is why I included that. I mean, if you don't care, don't bother messaging her. Would be a waste of time. I just don't understand why someone would just use someone else's picture (or yours, in this case) without dropping them a quick message, not a big deal.

>>7664755
oh I understand. Yes when I did it several years ago I was a complete noob and just pulled it off google image search without realizing it actually belonged to someone. I apologized and never did it again though. Mine doesn't show up in google image search so they must have pulled it from my old sales album, so they knew it was mine. I guess I just didn't want to be a bother even though it did kind of confuse/irritate me that they didn't ask. But I guess it could be the same, just a noobie accident. I'm probably thinking too much into it heh. Thanks for the advice.

>>7664773
aaaand the post was removed by a mod anyway it looks like, so no problem in the end, heh

I have been waiting for someone to pay for an item for 2.5 days. When should I send a reminder?

>>7664369
They emailed me back already - the dress I ordered was out of stock. Pt in a new order for the other colourway, but now I have to wait until tomorrow or Thursday to know if I've got it.

>>7664780
I usually wait 48hours, remind them now and set a deadline, if they do not get back to you by then cancel the transaction and relist. Leave neutral/ negative feedback if you want

>>7658936
I'm not dress-maker anon but I think that's a shame! I'm a Catholic and I wouldn't think anything bad about someone non-Christian or non-religious wearing crosses or other religious motifs in Lolita. I think Mana is Shinto or Buddhist.

this is going to be such a clusterfuck

>>7664446
I do in bordeaux. I bought it back in March. Saw it going for 50% now so it's a good deal. Seeing it in person, the dress is gorgeous compared to the stock photos on IW's website. I wore it to see the film Belle and two old ladies thought I had dressed up to the film. LOL.

Also don't tell anyone, but moot said it's a cool dress.

>>7664445
If it's a WTB and you've uploaded it to your own hosting, no it shouldn't matter. If it's a DS I'd assume you're trying to scam with stolen photos.

>>7664471
Yes, just copypasta the item codes into the form, very easy.

Be prepared for a long wait, they get hella slow during sales.

>>7664981
Idk if you're still here but thanks! You look adorable!

>>7658352
>I've never experienced harassment so harassment doesn't exist

Just a reminder that anything that makes a woman stand out in a crowd can attract the attention of creeps who think it's ok to pester women with their gross shit. It doesn't matter what someone else did online, it doesn't honestly matter what you're wearing, it just puts you on their radar. These are just the risks we take leaving the house as women.