/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I don't understand... you said unpopular, but I can't see any I disagree with?

>>7633154
I think anon thinks even short sleeves are bad.
That's the only one I disagree with.

>lewd arms
How do you function outside

>>7633127
I only disagree with the covered arms, in that as long as the shoulders are covered (with a shawl or whatever is fine) then you're set. The rest of these are pretty standard?

Except maybe the RHS, but I fucking hate those too.

Arms one is the only one I disagree with. A lot of OPs look bulky and awkward with a blouse under them.

>>7633127
You can go fuck yourself about the empire waists, that shit is cute

>>7633177
Please give an example photo in which the wearer doesn't look like shit.

I cant help it, I think rocking horse shoes are adorable

>>7633179
>>7633177
Official models don't count. They're paid and shooped to make it look good.

OP here expanding on arms:

If the sleeve makes it to about halfway down the arm it's long enough. In some situations long gloves or even shawls draped over the arms can be used to cover the open space leftover from short sleeves.

OPs with short sleeves shouldn't be made or bought by anybody. If an OP has a nice print get the JSK or skirt and handle them arms. That or sew some sleeves onto the OP.

>>7633188
I'd like to see you try to survive in az in the summer

I see antlers and Madonna halos on the same level of tackiness as kitty ears. They only help to make the outfit look more like a costume.

Silly thing to say when half of inquiring normalfags think we're in a play... But those types of headdresses aren't exactly helping to improve the situation.

I hate pastel coloured wigs with lolita so much. They ALWAYS look like a costume, it's so awful.

Melty moon bag is ugly as hell.

Velvet looks fucking cheap and it's ugly

>>7633212
You shut your whore mouth you tasteless maggot

>>7633209
It's also useless as a bag. Useless!

>>7633183
Also the dresses are pinned up to look as flattering as possible. There should be a law against pinning.

Agreed on empire waists. Why somebody would pay $300+ for a dress cut like a sack is absolutely beyond me. Literally nobody looks good in them - even the teeny cutesy asian girls look better in dresses with an actual cut to them.

>>7633213
at least I don't look like a cheap ass bitch wearing a disgusting texture

I don't think a petti is necessary and even think some dresses look better without them. It gives them a more romantic and understated look, and I think pettiless classic would look very pretty.

I absolutely HATE these type of frizzy wigs. Why do you wear such a dressed up fashion with a wig that looks straight out of the 90's? I have not seen one coord with which it looks better than some nice curls or even straight hair would. It instantly ruins a coord for me. Pic related.

>>7633222
Different anon, but do you have that tactile thing? I had a friend in high school who couldn't touch certain textures like velvet or corduroy without feeling like she was going to puke.

>>7633183
Found on CoF

>>7633231
I don't think so,
I just think it honestly looks really cheap and I hate it more as a visual texture than a physical one

>>7633179

>>7633231
Not the same anon but there have been several times where I forwent wearing lolita because I just couldn't handle having fabric touching my arms. Whenever I get anxious it gets bad and I have to dress ugly.

>>7633183

Another cute empire cut dress

>>7633229
>>7633245
I hate those wigs too. The empire waist looks lovely on her but that wig kills it for me.

>>7633221
Empire waist dresses are different than the lolita muumuus AP has been coming out with though. Pic is an empire waist jsk on my wishlist, and it's much more flattering imo.

>>7633236
The shape looks like a normal bell-shaped skirt that got machine-washed too many times.
>>7633238
Maternity.

>>7633245
Looks like she got the wrong size.
>>7633249
Looks even more pregnant than the one in the black dress.

Empire waist a shit.

>>7633252
they look damn good with mori, though

>>7633257
I agree! Mori goes for a completely different aesthetic, all natural and long and everything. I personally am not a fan of the style but those type of wigs are much more suitable for mori.

>>7633255
You're a fucking idiot, anon.

>>7633229
>>7633238
>>7633245
>>7633249
No. If lolita was a mainstream fashion, fashionable people on the street would be judging. You only think it looks good because we see trainwrecks all the time and actual nice stuff is hard to come up.

>>7633254
You're right, I was confusing them with the total sack dresses AP churns out. I still do think empire waist dresses are frequently unflattering, though.

>>7633260
I think the kind of messiness works with it too

I need to start getting into mori for my lazy days

>>7633262
>s-stop disliking what I like, anon!

>>7633236
Fuck I want this dress. Only seen it in black and white before but the red looks so much better.

>>7633268

This thread needs this diagram.

>>7633274
s-stop criticizing things you don't understand, anon!

the op literally doesnt know shit, newfags tryna be elitist are hilarious

>>7633278
>inverted triangle
So what if they wanted to wear a shorter dress?

>>7633290
Fit and flare, most likely?

>>7633237
I don't think you've seen or felt nice velvet before. It's like touching a Maltese puppy.

>>7633297
I've seen and felt all kinds of velvet, and I hate it.
it's soft, yes, but visually ugly and cheap looking

It's on par with shiny satin

>>7633127
I am assuming the whole empire waist hate is in regards to Lolita dresses specifically? (If that's the case, more often than not I would agree.)

If not, then I am sure nothing anyone shows you will look good in your opinion. That's fine.

I love the empire waist in gowns specifically and I have seen some other kinds of dresses that look good in my opinion.

I think the difficult part is that it certainly doesn't look good on everyone and even on most body types. I would also agree it is super easy to look like a maternity garment since it is a good style for pregnant women.

It was a style that looked best on me when I had small breasts and very thin. I couldn't pull it off now if I wanted to in my opinion.

I hate wigs in Lolita, period. They always look fake with few exceptions.

Definitely don't agree with the arm things, though. I have tattoos and I still refuse to wear long sleeves in the summer. Everything else, maybe. I have some empire waist dresses that I like, but I probably do look pregnant in them.

>>7633236
This is not an empire waist. It is an A-line.

Just because the ribbon is under the breast, doesn't mean it's an empire. It has to also drape from that ribbon as well. This dress is shaped to follow a waist.

>>7633236

What's COF?? I'm out of the loop

>>7633328
Closet of Frills. Like Daily Lolita, but on Facebook.

>>7633328
Closet of Frills: Daily Lolita Coords on Facebook. It's a group.

>>7633329
>>7633330

Thank you!

>>7633314
left to right and down
1.cute dress, doesn't suit her, scarflooks shit
2.dress looks cheap, I hate shirring like that, her hair is very pretty
3.makes her look bulk, would suit a smaller chest
4.looks nice, but the photo is horrible and I hope she styled herself nicely for whatever she wore it too. Those brows are crying
5.Cute dress, bad outfit, girl doesn't have the hips for it
6.nice pattern, the dress looks nicely made
7. the fit is good on her, the dress is shit
8.dress is shit
9. cute dress, meh styling
10. boring

>>7633314
I thought that went without saying, considering that this is an "unpopular LOLITA opinions" thread.

>>7633127
What bodily dimensions do you deem unsuitable for lolita? Can you give numbers?

>>7633254
love that dress, but for some reason it looks nightgown to me, when ap empires dont? I think it might be the colour, though

>>7633350
Not specific ones.

If the average skirt hits a full inch or more above the knee you're too tall. If you require shirring you're too big. Really if you need to suck in, squeeze, baby powder, bind, or otherwise reign your person in to wiggle into a dress I'd suggest wiggling right back out of it.

>>7633354
Are your standards just cookie-cutter western beauty standards, a la magazines and media? Can we just get numbers from that?

>>7633355
No, Western models are way too tall, and the underwear models are too buxom.

You've got to be petite or close to it and have a small-medium breast.

>>7633354

>if you require shirring

all of my wat

>>7633360
Serious question, what do you look like? And given that you feel possible activities should be conferred to individuals based on physical appearance alone, what is your opinion on racism? I don't truly see much difference between saying "black girls can't be lolitas" and "someone can't be a lolita for immutable traits like height and body type tendency"

>>7633360
from the petite small breasted lolita to you,

fuck off.

>>7633354
What's the point of the shirring if you're not allowed to stretch it somewhat? I mean, yes, I can understand the idea that if your measurements are the same as what the max measurements are on the shirring then you shouldn't be wearing the piece, but if you're somewhere in the middle and the dress fits comfortably, what's the problem?

>>7633361
Also all of my wat. This pretty much means anon is implying that you can only be a lolita if your measurements are literally within an inch or two of some ideal. That's not even wrong, that's insane in my opinion. Also, shirring is comfortable for breathing purposes. Pleather waistbelts can be rough for this reason...

>>7633360
sensing possible hambeast

>>7633365
If you're going to compare race to height you need to leave. Racism is a historical thing, I mean you know. Height, weight and the like, even hair color have never been a persecutory thing. Also racism is more to do with language and culture than simply skin color.

>>7633354

Ridiculous, I'm 5'5" on a good day and most dresses are an inch above my knees because I have long legs/no torso to speak of.

Chokelate is a good Lolita and she's pretty tall, correct?

>>7633387
Racism > fatphobia any day, sure. That's totally true. Merely making the connection that the two stem from hatred of people's immutable physical traits. Not sure if you're the petite master race anon, but either way, fat people experience all sorts of discrimination in the western world (it just doesn't compare to racism but is still significant). Similarly but much less severely, falling outside of conventional beauty standards in any other way tends to lead to undeserved shittiness as well.

You want an unpopular opinion? You got it, /cgl.

I think fat lolitas look cuter than skinny ones. I think their rounder figures look more similar to classical procelain dolls. Now, I'm not endorsing hambeasts like that infamous girl who homemakes her own giant dresses and is always posted on ita threads, but chubby or even full on fat lolitas, especially in sweet look drastically better than stick thin or skinny girls.

pic related, I think she's super cute. (I'm not hugely into lolita or anything, so I'm not sure who she is though.)

>>7633388
Chokelate is 5'10". I mentioned this factoid in a feels thread along with my own height, 5' 7". I'm otherwise conventionally attractive by eurocentric beauty standards (though I am hafu), so I'm not complaining in general, but I am a bit offended by the assertion that tall = not qualifying for lolita. Same with the idea of "no fatties in lolita!!" It's just...so narrow minded.

>>7633365
I'm 5'4, ~110lbs, light brown skin tone.

Race doesn't really effect how you fit into lolita. You can dress to complement your skin tone but no amount of coordinating prowess will save you from looking like you had to stuff yourself into your frills.

>>7633402
OP of this post here, I should add that skinny lolitas are still cute and awesome. I just don't think fatter lolitas should be put down based on their size if they coord well.

Sorry about the double post I fucked up.

>>7633367
Liking the extra movement room shirring provides isn't the same as actually needing it to wear a piece. Like if they were to take a shirred piece and remove the stretch, if you can't fit that piece anymore at all then you'd count as being too big fror that piece. If you can't wear anything unshirred/not size M-up you're too big.

>>7633368
I never said you're not lolita if you break my personal preferences. You'll just look like shit to me.

>>7633410
I don't fully agree with that preference, but I'm appreciative that you're one voice against the cult-like worship of one specific body type.

>>7633402
>I think their rounder figures look more similar to classical procelain dolls.
You mean chubby faced children dolls?

>>7633414
Thanks man. And I can appreciate you disagreeing. Everyone has their own preferences, but no one should be ashamed to have them.
And yeah, It's kind of worrying how Western society has glorified the "ideal body" to the point that all other body types are shamed.

dropping another cute pic Iike.

>>7633396
>Merely making the connection that the two stem from hatred of people's immutable physical traits.
They don't though. Racism stems more from cultural differences than physical traits and is manifested under the guise of physical traits alone due to the simple fact that it is a huge defining factor.

Also fatphobia isn't a real thing, this isn't tumblr, so I suggest you leave before you make even more a fool of yourself. People don't discriminate against fat people and if people make fun of fat people it's because they're jackasses and make fun of everyone, normal people don't randomly bitch at people for shit.


Also also, no, everyone gets undeserved shit, fat, skinny, average, white, black, asian whatever. Every single person has someone who thinks they look like shit and someone who thinks they're hot as fuck. Shit like "eat a sandwich or "put down the sandwich" are the same.

Anyway get the fuck out.

>>7633415
Not just the face, but the legs and arms as well. I realize that a lot of porcelain dolls are supposed to look like children and I know that's not the goal of lolita (quite the opposite actually, something something weird ageplay) but the roundness is super cute. Like look at chibi drawings. The features are round to make it more cute. It's just visually appealing to me.

>>7633412
Anon, don't be offended, but you sound like someone whose life is out of control/has been out of control and someone who has had severe body image issues. The razor-precise focus on physicality suggests some kind of past or current obsession with your own body. You mentioned you're brown? I imagine you had many years of dissatisfaction with your appearance over this, eurocentric beauty standards are religiously enforced in most of the developed world. So, you finally found lolita. Finally, a fashion who somewhat praises your physicality instead of denying it basic respect. You jump on it. You're obsessed with it. Suddenly, something in your control. Now you are in a position of power.

So why do you say to other lolitas what the rest of society said to you about your skin color? Don't lie to me, I'm sure you've spent some time researching whitening techniques.

And now to backtrack a bit: Do you really think you're the one in power? You are vulnerable. You are not the pettie master race of lolitas. Those are fair-skinned girls. Do you agree with that? I don't. If you don't agree with racism, I think you're just not making the intuitive leap that racism stanks so bad because a person doesn't have much control over their immutable physical traits, and their value to the world and other people mostly has to do with their mind.

>>7633421
The word fatphobia amuses me. Like what f someone actually had a phobia of fat people. Like they see one and just break down due to fear. for some reason that makes me giggle.

>>7633423
Oh, sorry, I was only asking for clarification on which style you were referring to.

>>7633424
Not the anon you're directing this at, but, this is some heavy pseudo-psychological assumption bullshit right here. You are trying so hard to make it seem like the anon is projecting or something it almost seems like you are. What a smug jackass. Anyway, carry on.

>>7633425
It is pretty amusing(and also maddening that tumblr chooses to lessen the meaning of words to such a degree) Now I wonder if there are any legitimate cases of people being actually irrationally afraid of fat people.

>>7633430
>Not the anon you're directing this at

that's convenient

>>7633127
>>Shaming ageplay
>>Shaming girls that reveal any sort of skin

Oh goodie, I didn't know it was slut-shaming hour! Just what I needed, listening to some puritanical, frigid, virgin jealous cunt bitch about other girls that are getting laid!

>>7633433
homophobia is also silly nomenclature in this regard, still a name for a real thing tho. But more real than fatphobia.

>>7633440
Go back to tumblr.

>>7633427
Oh, alright. Yeah, those are the kinds I'm talking about. I may just have that preference from growing up with lots of porcelain dolls. all of them were rather plump and under their dresses were actually quite rectangular rather than the "ideal" hourglass. Of course the torsos were fabric with cotton stuffing so probably not meant to be seen lol

>>7633424
Hey Freud I didn't know you were a seagull.

>razor-precise focus on physicality
Um I also mentioned that I disliked empire waist dresses, RHSs, and a lack of armwear as being things I disliked.

> I imagine you had many years of dissatisfaction with your appearance over this
lmao quite the opposite actually. I love my skin color. I tan, even. Mid-shade brown skin is superior in my tastes. It's pretty fucked up for you to presume that everyone thinks white people are the most beautiful honestly.

Please go back to psyche 101 and slap your teacher for me, alright?

>>7633440
>>>/tumblr/

>>7633441
Well homophobia is actually real, a lot of bible thumping homophobics are legit scared of them, it's just used to describe anyone against it even though the term does technically come from the more extreme example.

>>7633440

I didn't realize it was exactly what I was waiting for

>>7633450
Freud wasn't talking about you...and it's Psych 101, Psyche was a Greek goddess.

>>7633454
Yes she was, the OP is the one with the high standards. Are you paying attention? Also, replying to ad hom with ad hom, really? Pathetic.

>>7633454
dude I'm fucking lol'ing

very rarely I meet this type of girl IRL, who is just painfully obsessed with bodies and it makes everyone feel awkward. i always feel kind of bad for them for cramming so much sand in something that is supposed to be fun and escapist.

>>7633448
So just because I don't want my 4chan to turn into a fucking Evangelical Church I'm from tumblr?

Yep, someone definitely needs to get laid. BADLY! You should try it sometime it might help scrape that sand out of your vagina.

>>7633188
>>7633194
agreeing with anon, OP obviously lives somewhere where its nice or cold year round. Dealing with this 120 degree bullshit is impossible.

>>7633457
I was under the impression that Freud was responding to the anon that has an issue with shirring? The OP of this thread didn't bitch about that.

Who fucking cares if it's pathetic, this is /cgl

>>7633466
You could actually pass out from heat stroke at a meet...that would be so mortifying.

>>7633180
Seconding this. It might be the love I have for old school lolita, but I love RHS. It is possible to make them look like crap though, but an ita could make anything look bad so I wouldn't blame the shoe.

>>7633471
It's the same person...OP and no fatties/tall-chans/shirringfags are the same person.

>>7633462
>how dare people in a fashion want the fashion to be the way that it is.
This is such a weak attempt. Step it up.

>>7633479
My bad, sorry anon.

>>7633462
I happen to like my sandy vagina very much thank you, it gets anons like you emotionally aroused.

>>7633491
No worries, it got really confusing, anon and whatnot. They didn't seem super extreme in the OP post but other posts became gradually more crazy, it was hard to follow.

>>7633462
>my 4chan

ho boy

>>7633127
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8

A message to all itas about lolita.

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

>>7633498
Her extremist remarks started out amusing but it's honestly weirding me out a bit to think how this person could be in my comm potentially, or that there are others like her. I know there are. 3reel

>>7633483
>>Implying her tone of the OP suggested she was just talking about it in Lolita only.

Reread it anon, its pretty obvious that OP has issues with ageplay and unmodest girls in general, even out of Lolita. Just look at the way she describes both.

>>7633515
So? I have issues with ageplay, same way most people have issues with furries. Take your sugar rainbow free love views back to tumblr.

My unpopular opinions?

>Sweet Lolita works best as ageplay material, its just so sexy and cute!
>Big boobs are the epitome of sexy, especially in Sweet Lolita so I think that if you're wearing your burando in the bedroom you should do as much boobloafing as possible!
>The only good Lolita styles are OTT Sweet, Sweet, Sweet Classic and Gothic. Pure Classic is fucking hideous and looks like something either old women, Amish or Jews would wear.

>>7633519
I support this.

4chan sometimes feels like it would be the Deep South of the Internet. Bigoted and intolerant of other people's views.

>>7633519
But then you also seem to have an issue with whores or even slutty fashion in general.

Just like not all Lolitas are ~lovelies~ not all of us are pure, virginal, modest girls either. Its perfectly okay to be a Lolita but like mainstream, revealing "slutty" styles. You can like both and it won't make you less of a Lolita, really, I promise.

Also Ero-Lolita exists btw.

>>7633515
No.

In lolita, modesty is important. Personally I cover everything. High collars for the neck, sleeves always, tights/OTKs always, and even gloves at times. In my mind lolita and modesty travel hand-in-hand.

Outside of the fashion I could give a fuck. I love shorts and shit, T-shirts, showing skin, but that has no place in lolita.

>defending myself against /tumblr/

>>7633525
>>Comparing sex positive women to bigoted, southerners
>>Bigoted southerners fucking hate us the most!

I think that analogy is supposed to go the other way around anon.

>>7633528
So...I know this is bait but how do you gather that? Ageplay has nothing to do with lewdness, and I never even alluded to having issue with lewdness at all. I know you're trying really hard, but what are you playing at?

>>7633532
There's a difference between being okay with one thing and only accepting one thing, your view of "sex positive" chastises anyone who wants to keep their own modest views. It's just as extremist and bigoted as what you claim to be against.

>>7633533
>Ageplay
>Nothing to do with lewdness

Get a load of this guy!

>>7633238
Anyone know which wig this is?

>>7633540
Are you quite sure you know what ageplay is?

>>7633539

Let me guess, you believe reverse racism and misandry are real things too right?

OP is master troll or legit crazy

>>7633542
Do you? Looks like somebody needs to internet moar.

>>7633543
>Let me guess, you believe reverse racism and misandry are real things too right?
No because reverse racism is just regular racism. And obviously misandry can exist, it's ignorant to think otherwise.

Ahistorical discrimination is still discrimination, tumblr-chan.

>>7633546
Someone here is legit crazy that's for fucking sure.

>>7633543
Get a lod of this bigot.
Don't you have Tumbling to do?

>>7633549
Its not just about history, its also about whether those modes of discrimination are institutionalized and de-facto in the majority of societies.

Last time I checked racism against POC and misogyny still are.

>>7633550
I notice they (no virginal tall fatties in muh lolita anon) try to take stabs at others based on education, but they clearly do not understand the distinction between racism and prejudice. Specifically, they took stabs at education in the soft sciences which you would think they would know something about if they're going to use it to throw sand....

I'm calling legit crazy.

>>7633549
>Ahistorical discrimination is still discrimination, tumblr-chan.

I know this is turning into a derailed shit show, but I really like how you worded this. It is pretty much the exact opposite reasoning SJW fuckheads give to justify their refusal to understand that things that didn't happen historically can still happen. It's almost baffling to me that people can actually think just because historically x/y doesn't mean that y/x when the formula is exactly the same.

sage for oh shit this poor thread didn't have a chance.

>>7633557
The other person arguing with them is a batcase as well.

>>7633561
Are you seriously so dumb to think that the criticism the oppressive classes in power get can someday lead to some kind of Holocaust against them?

Holy fuck you're no better than delusional fatty-chans who think that if they try hard enough they can actually look good in this fashion! LOL!

I'd like to clear something up.
>>7633519 and any anti-ageplay and/or Tumblr nonsense isn't from me.

>>7633556
>its also about whether those modes of discrimination are institutionalized and de-facto in the majority of societies.

That's still wrong though, you're scaling legitimacy via majority opinion, and it's dangerous to do so. Saying things like racism can only be towards non-whites from whites or that misandry is impossible just allows it to continue uncheck which can eventually result in it becoming the norm and the majority. Majority, minority whatever, racism, discrimination and prejudice of any kind are still wrong.

>>7633563
Wow it's like Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>7633569
Whatever you say, Holocaust-scare-chan.

>>7633570
>>Implying Hitler enacted the Holocaust against any of the traditional, oppressive classes.

Pretty sure Jews, Gypsies, gays and disabled were never at the top of the power hierarchy.

What the fuck happened to this thread?

>>7633574
Tumblr.

>>7633577
I want Tumblr to leave.

<---- OP right now

you sure showed them

>>7633221
I'm tall and have a slim statuesque figure, with small-medium sized breasts. I think empire waisted dresses look good on me, but people with big busts, big rib cages, are short, or have big shoulders tend to not suit it so well.

>I'm tired of seeing dresses with white people on them

Japan fetishes white people too much, it's fucking weird

>>7633238
>>7633245
>>7633249

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't this babydoll, not empire waist?

>>7633574
Godwin's law

>>7633127Even though it may not be a real Lolita style, I still want to see more Ero-Lolita coords. I love the femininity and opulence of the Lolita style, but I feel the required modesty is too restrictive and the motifs of the style (lace, frills, fluffy skirts and victorian stuff, etc.) really lend themselves well to other silhouettes besides just the big skirts. I just wish it was something one could see more often.

>>7633127
>travesty

IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS

>>7633433
I'm disgusted by fat people, does that count?

>>7633641
Erololi could be good if everything were really elegant like in your pic (like Sakizou stuff), but most of the "coords" I've seen are trashy Hot Topic lingerie with neon tulle petti skirts and hooker boots which gives the whole style a bad reputation.

>>7633127
empire waist is one of the thing I like the most.

>>7633692
agreed, sakizo lingerie would be god tier

My unpopular opinion that global warming will kill off the fashion because it'll be too hot to wear so many layers. It's winter where I am and it's still hot enough to sweat.

>>7633697
Don't worry anon, soon after it will kill us too, and we won't have anything to worry abt anymore.

>>7633127
OP I think you're defining sweet as OTT sweet. There's a ton of "sweet" coords and pieces, esp older, in subdued colors which a newcomer could even mistake for classic or gothic (I know I own a lot of mostly or entirely black pieces which are actually sweet), but with more frills and bows incorporated.

...I agree 98% of pastel-color, baby-print sweet would look bad even on a 4yo.

>>7633387
Say that to the ginger kid in my school and also to the midget.
They were regularly bullied.
More than black kids.

>>7633425

I think the technical term in that vcase is obesophobia or something. It's commonly seen in people with EDs.

>>7633528
>Ero-lolita exists
All of your previous and future statements are null and void. Please get the fuck out.

>>7633396
What man?

I just remember some stupid ass nigga telling me I was fat, and you know what I told him?

"I can just lose, weight, you're a nigger forever." Shut right the fuck up.

That fuckface annoyed the living hell out of me, and it was not because he was black, he was just an incredibly obnoxious and annoying black dude. When people annoy me, I'll pull whatever the fuck I want to insult them.

Anyway my point is, race is worse because you can just lose weight, race is forever. No need to tell me about how you tried [and drank 4L of coke a day] but you just couldn't seem to lose it.

>>7633213
High five, fellow velvet-fag!

I don't like Angelic Pretty or BTSSB because, when they sell a new dress, the 99% of my friends wear it.
It's so boring, all people with the same dress.
So I always buy from another brands.

>>7633278
Ahhh so this is why I look best in empire waist dresses

>>7633540
>acting like a child to relax

>doesn't need to be sexual in the least

>can be solitary

>lewd

Get a load of this guy

>>7633696
>>7633692
I will always hold her in my heart, even if she is no longer apparently relevant in modern lolita.

>>7633278
Apple shapes look shit in empire waist though.

>>7633834
I've always loved Kana, funny thing is she actually wear things which would fit more into the lolita silhouette then when she was in the GLBs.

Adding some unpopular opinions to get the thread back on track.
1. I love OTT sweet & punk lolita when there done properly unfortunately often butchered by newer lolitas.
2. I fucking love the shit out of RHS
3. I wish peignoirs were never a thing in lolita, especially when paired with chiffon dresses. Looks like their waking around in their pajamas
4. Orange is not a lolita colour and never will be, I've seen 2 dresses pull off orange in the years I've been a lolita that I have actually like

>>7633440
>puritanical, frigid, virgin jealous cunt
You sound like a slut who is secretly ashamed of it. The post isn't to do with whores you mong.

>>7633740
Sooooo edgy!

>>7633209
I have it in yellow and ever since I wore it to a con and some people mistaked it for a banana shaped bag... I just van't unsee it!

>>7633834
I love Kana. I wish she was still relevant.
This thread has gone to shit, but here's some unpopular opinions:

- I actually prefer dresses and skirts to end above the knee, I think it looks a lot more flattering
- OTT sweet looks like a costume to me., especially in baby pink

>>7633884
Also, bloomers peeking out a bit are fucking adorable.

>>7633365
They can be lolitas, they just can't look good whilst they're doing it.

>>7633882
Why don't you read the last sentence you retarded sjw bitch.

>>7633641
since when has ero not been a real style?

>>7633823
If it has a weird fetishy name with -play as a suffix then it's sexual. Otherwise you'd just call it "Acting like a child"

>>7633906
>all goths wearing bondage pants are getting off

>>7633917
Bondage pants are called bondage pants. Wearing them isn't called bondage play. Bondage play is called bondage play.

>>7633939

>daddy the internet is fighting me about muh fetish!!

>>7633900
Does it remotely fit the the silhouette? Does it exude the modesty that you all deem necessary? Ero-lolita was originally a gothic style that happened to be frilly. Westerners took it and ran. I have nothing against it, in fact I love Sakizou cosplays, but it shouldn't be associated with lolita.

>>7633942
... What. I'm the one saying ageplay is a fetish.

>>7633942
You might want to read that post again.

>>7633854
I think orange can work if it's an accent. It's just so bright it tends to look back if it's used for the whole piece. Totally agree about the peignoir thing, it's just weird.

>>7633737
I've browsed a bunch of g&l bibles and whatnot over the years and was in Japan around 2002 (I don't claim to be any kind of expert, just an oldfag). This has given me the impression that 'ero-lolita' exists in the sense that it has been around in the form of 'Japan does gothic+lolita elements' for some time. In the beginning there was a hell of a lot of cross-over between Japanese gothic (and all the 'alt type' elements it tends to encompass) and the emerging gothic lolita look.

I remember once when a legit j-model posted her beautiful, tasteful 'ero-lolita' co-ords on a lolita pic sharing site and everyone lost their shit. She was really confused because she was a gothic lolita that also wore more Mitsukazu Mihara inspired 'ero' stuff; she kept saying things in broken English like 'but this is bible style, it is part of lolita bible style, sorry for offend'.

Thing is, many elements of gothic lolita emerged in the Japanese club scene with the likes of Tokyo Dark Castle. I know many people hate 'le edgy' shit but this stuff was pretty damn 'edgy' - lots of weird arty performances, gore stuff, bdsm themes, the lot. A fair amount of early gothic lolita culture stuff was actually pretty experimental and macabre, and egl guru Mana if anything, was the slightly more acceptable face of it.

>>7633629
You're right, none of those people seem to know what an empire waist is. They're super common in lolita and not sack-like at all. Pictured is an actual empire waist dress. Which I really regret selling.

>>7633988
Tokyo Dark Castle came to London once and amongst their performers were (now) oldschool gothic lolitas along with 'ero-lolitas' performing blood letting and bondage acts on stage. Obviously i'm not saying that gothic lolitas were all guro obsessed, alt culture freaks (and some probably wanted to distance themselves from that side of things) but there was definitely a kinda dark underbelly to it all. The stereotype that lolitas are all massive weirdos that cut themselves is still prevalent to this day in Japan because of the associated documentary type stuff that hit the mainstream back in the day. It was all the typical 'look at these freaks..is this damaging our society? Think of the children!" type stuff you get whenever an alternative culture is unearthed, analyzed and presented to a more mainstream, conservative audience.

>>7633402
I think she's cute as fuck, but that's more like an exception.

>>7633236
Not empire waist

>>7633238
Also not empire waist, and she looks fat as hell in it

>>7633245
Her hair's covering up most of her top half, so we can't even see how she looks in it

Also the red accessories were a bad choice, those cherries on the dress are pretty pink, but that's irrelevant to the cut of the dress.

>>7633249
Looks like she's about to give birth

>>7633314
Yeah, it's just with lolita dresses, because they flare out so high up, it looks like you're trying to hide your pregnant stomach or fat.

>>7633418
This is the first empire waist I've seen that doesn't look like shit, and anon wasn't even trying to prove that point.

>>7633990
Anon those sleeves look like shit too. Thos puffy sleeves make most people look like fucking linebackers. I look like a linebacker and I'm petite and too small for a decent amount of brand. They just don't look good.

>>7633207
Fucking this, in fact most wigs in general. The whole ~wigs are necessary~ idea pisses me off because you have girls in $15 shake and go shiny ass wigs thinking they're the shit and in reality it looks horrendous.

>>7633278
Shit man, time to invest in some ball gowns.

>>7633402
I agree with this, something about thin arms and legs coming out of a big puffy dress look more off to me than a chub wearing one. Although I think anyone can look good in it. So long as you know how to dress to flatter yourself, big or small. I've seen some thin girls in lolita and they're drowning in their clothes, it looks just as bad as a filled out bodice. I think that girl is Vanilla Blitz or something, by the way.

>>7633852
Depends on the fabric and how pronounced the apple shape is. I look best in flowy chiffon fabrics that have an empire waist because it decreases the look of my bust, wideness of my ribcage and less defined waist that your typical lolita cut tends to accentuate. But when I wear one made of cotton or thicker fabric that's tightly gathered from the high waist down, I look like a walking pair of tits. But my arms and legs are the typical apple, very small looking in comparison. So the right dress hides that and makes me look much smaller.

If I was at my higher weight when I started, or my highest weight, I'd definately look pregnant and they'd look terrible on me.

Honestly I'm somewhere between an apple and inverted triangle, with a short torso to boot. So I usually go for empire and chiffon or standard cut and use a bolero or go with a minimzier and wear a corset if it doesn't work well as is. I look like crap in skirts. Drop and low waists are out.

>>7634198
If you have any fat in your mid section, you'll look pregnant. Chiffon is better than cotton though, but A-line is better to create the illusion of a more defined waist, especially if the skirt flares out a lot direcly from your waist.

>>7633466

> be me
> start thread
> 'Arms in lolita is no-no-no! Cover up!"
> really just want burando ruined by sweat to help make pieces more rare and drive up prices so I can net a larger profit by selling mine

Yeah, I'm onto you now, OP.

I read this thread and got a headache from it. Wow.

>>7634242

Me too, anon. What the fuck even happened here? All I'm picturing is ~*~*nanobois~*~*~ and nuns screaming at each other about racism and institutionalized whatever.

I thought this was a frilly dress place.

>>7633462
No, you're childish and ridiculous behavior makes it seem like you're from Tumblr.

>>7633529
I'm right there with you, OP.

People can walk around in a bikini for all I care, but when someone dresses in Lolita fashion...not wearing a blouse looks like shit.

>>7633543

Unpopular opinion time: I really like Wa-Lolita.

Yes, there are a lot of shit wa lolita dresses out there made from shit fabrics.

Still love the style.

And glad none of you can hunt me down and burn me alive.

>>7633974
There's more to ero than it just being lolita underwear, though? There's also the incorporation of sexier elements such as shorter lengths, fishnets, corsets, etc.
Antique Beast is a really well established brand that does ero, they've been around forever. The now defunct brand Arachnophobia is another example.
>>7633990
I think a lot of people are confusing empire with trapeze.

>>7633854
A sherbet orange could be cute...

>>7633278
Not sure if I agree with this 100% b/c hourglass fills out mermaid pretty well, too. Also that mermaid pic looks completely inaccurate for an inverted triangle b/c the bust looks smaller than the waist.

>if you want to stop being lumped in with the cosplay community stop wearing lolita to cons

>>7634275
Welp, that picture right there is enough to let us all know you have shit taste. You blew it.

>>7633412
I actually agree with you on all of this. I believe that in ANY fashion, if you don't fit into something like intended ("it zips up" =/= fitting) then don't wear it. Get it altered to fit or wear something else. Custom sizing, handmade, whatever are all better than forcing yourself into something obviously not made to fit you just because that item has status in the community. It often seems to me like lolita is the only fashion where wearing ill fitting clothes is the norm rather than a faux pas, and I'm not just talking about fat girls.

I love RHS though.

>>7634937
>if you want to stop being lumped in with the cosplay community stop wearing jeans and a t shirt to cons

>>7633278
>pear shape
>best in ballgowns
I guess the chart doesn't account for the fact that a lot of petite people are pear shaped. A ballgown would have entirely too much volume on me (and many others) and consequently eat us up. You want to wear a dress, not have the dress wear you. Also, the style that OP is buttfrustrated about is babydoll dresses, not empire waist dresses. Jfc come on people this is basic stuff.

On topic:
My unpopular opinion is that I hate most of Krad Lanrete's prints. They're just so busy to me and look like a clusterfuck.

>>7634627
Not same anon but I can't stand gingham. It's so tacky.

>>7633641
Speaking of styles that are unpopular because they are often done badly, I normally don't like Qi lolita but this dress I kinda like. It got me thinking, is there any wa-lolita dress anyone has seen that makes them go "hm, actually, this one is cute!"? Because I can't really imagine one that's somehow not tacky, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

>>7635803
You say that and yet Replica drama seems to insist that even when fatties take that advice and try to find outfits of their favorite prints that DO FUCKING FIT! Everyone starts ostracizing and shaming them for being ~Replica-chans~

So what is it? Are fat people just not allowed to wear the designs they like? Are they prohibited from wearing anything cute by the thin brigade?

>>7635948
Fatties can't wear: fully shirred brand that fits because EW GROCE
altered brand because MUH POTENTIAL FUTURE DRESS IS RUINED
replicas because art thefts which I understand
Offbrand because IT LOOKS BAD

Potato sacks 5eva.

>>7635952
Its their subtle way of trying to drive fatty-chans out of the fashion.

>>7635948
>>7635952
Or they can try to lose weight? That never seems to be an option.

>>7636016
Do you know if they are or not? Are people forbidden from dressing how they like (and lolita is hardly revealing) until they reach a size acceptable by the salty princesses of /cgl/? Go be a concern troll somewhere else whore.

>>7633236
WHY YOU RUIN MY DREAM DRESS LIKE THAT?

>>7636016
It doesn't matter if they're trying to or not, because in the meantime, they're still fat. You can't ban someone from wearing a fashion because they're not a size that pleases you, might as well work with that they have.

>>7636191
They're still probably going to look like shit in it, though, and we can make fun of them for that.
Also, even when replicas are made to fit fatty chan's measurements, they don't look good, because such proportions generally look bad, their fat arms/legs are still an issue, etc.

If fat people really want to be in lolita, how about they have non-replica custom garments made as well as (seriously) try to lose weight?

Lolita might be a "chubby girl's fashion," but it /does not/ look good on fatties, just like fashions like mori don't look good on them.

>>7636209
>and we can make fun of them for that
And we can call you a fucking cunt. And laugh when karma slugs you with 300 pounds.

>>7635948
That anon did say custom sizing and homemade are both options. I don't really care one way or another about fatties in lolita, I think they look like shit in general but they can wear what they want, but if you just don't fit into a piece well, why would you want to walk around looking even worse instead of finding something that actually fits you without promoting art theft? I'm fairly tall and slim and can recognize that some lolita dresses and some other types of fashion just will not flatter me or fit properly, so I find alternatives or learn to alter shit/make it myself. I just don't get why anyone would want to wear ill-fitting clothes and then bawww about it when someone says they look bad.

>>7636209
>we can make fun of them for that
>If fat people really want to be in lolita, how about they have non-replica custom garments made as well as (seriously) try to lose weight?
How about you stop bawwwwing about what other people do and move on with your life? I hope you're not this much of an insufferable cunt in real life.

>>7636275
Because it tarnishes the community's image? I don't want to hang around fat girls in ill fitting or ugly, replica garments for the same reason I don't want to hang out with brolitas who don't put in enough effort or itas.

I don't mind less aesthetically blessed people (e.g. horsefaced girls), because most of the time, they have no control over that sort of thing. Being fat, however, is something you can change 99% of the time.

>>7634275
I'm open to experimental stuff, but I really hate wa-lolita.
For me the major appeal of kimono is the elegant tubular silhouette it creates which is completelly ruined by wa-loli.

>>7636265
>>7636292
This. Fatty hate aside, this is the point. You hamplanets can stop being offended and just recognize that you may have to find and alternative until you actually look nice in lolita instead of getting defensive and acting like "omg let us be happy, y do u care???" Fine, be happy looking like shit, just don't do it near me.

>>7636362
I agree with this. I don't mind people's weight, I think fat people can look great in lolita if they make sure to get custom dresses or take great care into finding cuts that will flatter their body. Most fatties can't seem to comprehend this. E.g., that one fat anon who started that thread about trying on wrapping ribbon...

>>7636469
To her defense, Wrapping ribbon looks terrible on everyone

No one looks cute in moomoos, no one

>>7636340
not the same anon, but the appeal for me is the sleeves and the collar area,

which combined with lolita is really pretty to me

>>7633188
Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad about it.

>>7634939
Like I give a fuck about your stupid opinion.

>>7636216
>And laugh when karma slugs you with 300 pounds.

Not the anon you were responding to, but I find a lot of people who have the "I can make fun of fat people if I want" shit attitude workout a lot. They have the "If I can do it, so can you." type mindset.

One person I know in particular works out twice a day at least four times a week. A combination of running, weightlifting, and high-intensity cardio routines. Not to mention watching his diet.

I'm not fat and I still have to hear "Well, why don't you work out as much as I do if you're unhappy with your weight?" on occasion.

I wish karma was a thing. Though in this guy's case...I just wish his schedule would change and that he would see that the average person can't get to the gym twice a day and work out as much as he does.

>>7635948
>>7635952
>>7636084
>>7636191
Go be fat somewhere else, this fashion doesn't want you.

I can't stand brolitas the vast majority of the time. They almost always look like shit and yet flocks of girls rush at them cooing about how cute they are just because they're guys. There are man-friendly offshoots of lolita, why don't they wear that instead of trying to cram their huge rectangular dudebodies into small, femininely shaped dresses?

>>7636863
I wish I could be more open-minded about this, because in theory it doesn't bother me at all. It's just always weird older guys that only half-ass it that I ever run into, and then creep around all these obviously younger girls. It just doesn't seem like an appropriate outlet for their "interest" in the fashion. I like cartoons sometimes, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hang out with some school children much younger than myself and I can't relate to at all? It makes me really question what they're getting out of it.

Also they're just embarrassing to be around in public.

>>7636863

I wish there would be more cute brolitas with honest interest in the fashion..

We have one brolita in our comm, and he's nice, sweet, really interested in the fashion and well-dressed (actually better dressed than many of the girls). I wish there were more brolitas like him.

>>7636863
I agree, 90% of the time they fall into two catagories:
1. Sissy who's hiding his boner under his petti
2. Average-to-below-average guy with genuine interest in the fashion but no clue how to dress himself in it

The other 10% of actually pretty, well-dressed and normal brolitas are like unicorns.

>>7633740
Please do us all a favor and cut yourself with all the edge

>>7636292
No more than being a Sandy McCuntface

>>7633887
I share your sentiments, too. Maybe because I'm kind of an old-schooler, I've always been a fan of bloomers peeking out, but they rarely look as good as in illustrations. Sometimes I try to mimic this look with frilly/lace topped otks.

>>7636265
Thank you.

>>7636469
If you actually read the whole thread you would find that the Wrapping Ribbon muumuu was the only thing that fit her comfortably in the store. Isn't cgl always saying to fatties that they shouldn't try to squeeze into dresses and "if that shit don't fit" find something that fits? Now you're berating someone that found something that did actually fit, so which is it?

Lets just face it, deep down most skinny-chans in Lolita just want to chase the fatty-chans out or don't want them wearing "their burando."

>>7636979
Just because you can "fit" something doesn't mean it sits correctly. I've sold many a dress that looked bad on my body yet "fit" perfectly fine.

>>7636979
>Isn't cgl always saying to fatties that they shouldn't try to squeeze into dresses and "if that shit don't fit" find something that fits? Now you're berating someone that found something that did actually fit, so which is it?

Are you retarded?
Just because something fits does not mean it looks good. The cut of the dress looks awful on anyone, fatty-chans included.

>Lets just face it, deep down most skinny-chans in Lolita just want to chase the fatty-chans out or don't want them wearing "their burando."

No, most people are angry fatty-chans often act obnoxious, squeeze themselves into dresses way too small, or buy shitty replicas instead of actually putting thought into an outfit and then post on tumblr how they are so oppressed!!1 ;_; and how Brand won't cater to their special needs.

I am a fatty by Lolita standards myself, and I cringe when I see most of the "Plus size" Lolitas on tumblr, or anywhere seriously. I hate all the fatties complaining about how Brand is too small, how their 350 pounds won't fit into AP, how opressed they are, how evil brand is (right after they bought a shitty replica, of course) how hard it is to find clothing...
I don't fit that much brand, I usually need an IW size L, and many dresses do not fit my bust. I love Classic Lolita, yet don't have a chance to fit Mary Magdalene, Vm or JetJ anytime soon, and it breaks my heart. But instead of raging and whining everywhere on the internet, I try my best finding burando clothes that actually fit, try out indie brands, go for custom sizing, and put actual thought in my outfits instead of squeezing my ass into a dress too tight or buying a shitty lazy replica and wasting time crying on the internet about Asian clothing brands not catering to my special needs. And THIS is the reason I generally hate fatties in this fashion even though I am one myself.

/rant

ITT: someone on TITP discovered /cgl/.

>>7636921
Let's also split that remaining 10% into halves:
5% yes they dress well but are completely vainglorious sandy bitches about everyone else
5% Actually nice

>>7637016

To be completely fair, if I was a pretty dude who could get away with dresses without looking like a hairy dude in a dress, I'd be very vain and self obsessed too.

>>7637019
You can be proud of your looks without being a cunt about it, you know.

>>7637013
>http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/post/87703291208/thin-privilege-is-cosplay-and-lolita

>>7637112
The self importance and idiocy of people like this always amazes you. Oh yes, the site is dedicated solely to mocking you.

>>7637115
me**
also, is that PT?

>>7637119
Iirc, it was someone from the SR community posing at PT.

>>7637112
"I will never stop shining though! I’ve only just begun to shine and no bullies online will ever stop that!!"

Pretty sure PT-mocking right there

>>7637123
Oh god I hope so
>autism at max capacity

>>7637012
According to certain anons, it doesn't matter if the clothes your wear are carefully selected and fit you, because you're fat and therefore automatically look like shit.

>>7637229
I mean, that's also true, but might as well put some extra effort into it so you're not both lazy/tasteless and hideous.

I'm always impressed by anons like op. Assuming many of the posts in this thread regarding fat hate and tall hate and all sorts of body hate are from her. Like...I just don't have that kind of venom for other human beings. I also have a basic understanding of the history of beauty standards and how most are just reflections of the current scarcities in that particular society, and not some inherent truth. I just...wow. I'm not even trying to take some moral high ground here, I'm sincerely impressed.

>>7637266
And I'm really impressed just at how random some of the hatreds are (no arms WHORES!!). Random is the wrong word, actually. They seem perfectly suited to make her seem superior to others. Like, that's all they've been made to do. It reminds me of that dictator(s?) that make all the textbooks in the country say they invented everything and are also ninja god kings or something. The hatreds aren't normative. She hates fat and super height (which is normative), but is okay with her skin tone, despite her being a person of color. It's a lot. I'm also impressed I read it all. Going back to do my work now, anon out.

>>7637275
>but is okay with her skin tone, despite her being a person of color
Go fuck yourself you racist bitch.

>>7637275
>She hates fat and super height (which is normative), but is okay with her skin tone, despite her being a person of color.
You sound like an sjw, yet you also manage to be a racist asshat. Impressive.

>>7637266
I have made some anti fatty chan posts itt, and I really have no hate for fat people or any person, really.
I just think that you should dress in a way that flatters your body and doesn't implicate you in less than legal activity; many bigger girls do not do this. Additionally, for the extremely large, the typical lolita silhouette will never look good. I think such people should work on their bodies and health before getting into the fashion.

Someone said it before me, but poorly dressed fat girls are equivalent to itas. I don't want them associated with the fashion because it reflects poorly on the community.

I think you also need to realize that you're in an unpopular opinions thread on 4chan. I'd bet my right hand that a vast majority of anons itt would never act on their opinions beyond the mask of anonymity.

>>7637325
I think all skin types can be beautiful, was merely commenting that it was a convenient place for her to break away from "normal" beauty standards where she does not break away from normal standards about weight

>>7637407
Read it again tho. If it sounds like an sjw, it probably is. They just assumed too much about the reader's own assumptions.

>>7636928
Please do yourself a favour and stop pretending to have a moral high ground, you retarded sjw bitch.

Girls with apple shaped bodies don't look good in lolita, no matter how nice the outfit unless they cinch in their waist somehow.

>>7637425
>Doesn't implicate you in less than legal activities

What exactly do you mean by this? What "activities?"

>>7637706
Replicas anon, replicas.

>>7633127

Agreeing with Empire Waist dresses, hard to find ones that will actually look decent on people. If you have a larger bust it might just balance out okay but I've had no luck with them.

My unpopular opinion is to screw blouses. I wear OP's for the most part but some dresses are made in a way that leaves blouses looking ridiculous under them. I see no problems with revealing arms or shoulders provided you're doing it in a classy fashion. It also helps control the dying some experience with multiple layers and high temperatures.

>I hate cardigans.

>>7633127
There's this thing you can get in 128 degree weather with 98% humidity called heatstroke idk if you've heard of it. Obviously you don't live in a hot climate.

As long as your arms are covered in some way idk the problem. Lewd arms? Whore fashion? Someone is and was obviously a butthurt tomboy pissed off at the girls in their class for wearing cute feminine clothing and pulling it off. This fashion doesn't look good on men, so maybe you should stop?

Florida lolita out.

>>7638248
As one florida bro to another, I agree with you 100% except temperatures rarely go above 100F and that's only in unlucky shithole areas. Even the hottest summer days where I'm from are 95 or so. 128 is like death valley hot.

>there may be some things worthy of consideration in La Carmina's understanding of lolita.

I know a lot of people despise La Carmina but I think she did at least, have a sense of what was going on in the club scene and its role in the development of lolita fashion; this seems to be where she's firmly remained however, without really accepting other influences, the refinement of the fashion, and the development of a more structured and complete look. Her reputation for wearing and selling poor quality goth clothes as lolita certainly hasn't helped either. These things aren't black and white though, I don't think La Carmina had/has it all wrong per say, LC just never seemed to except the bigger picture, and I can see why her conduct in general has upset and frustrated many people. Likewise however, the assertion that lolita has always been, without exception, about modesty and the absence of expression of sexuality, just doesn't seem to represent the full reality of lolita culture and history; particularly when looking at the more underground Japanese goth scene.

I think it's a shame that there hasn't been (to my knowledge) any thorough and unbiased as possible, attempt to document the development of the broad church world of lolita fashion; particularly one that doesn't make a point of protesting the absence of sexuality, but equally doesn't make it out to be about sexuality.

>>7638426
I love you!

>>7638426
I wonder how many lolitas nowadays have even heard of La Carmina. I made a joke referencing her at a recent meetup and only my fellow oldfags (~4+ years into the fashion) even knew who I was talking about.

I love headpads. I wouldn't wear one since they're out of fashion but I think they're adorable.

>>7638426
My biggest issue with La Sardina have been her plagiarism of other bloggers/lolita sources for her own gain, her mistreatment of the community (using events as personal publicity events in the past, her lovely stunt at the indie catwalk at NYCC that one year), and her general refusal to actually research beyond the tip of her nose.

>>7638572
I was watching Bizarre Foods yesterday, and the episode with La Sardina was on, and I had a serious flashback. Made me feel fucking ancient.

>Unpopular Lolita Opinions

I hate Lolita fashion.

>>7633238
Could someone tell my what this dress is? It looks like Haenuli's Ball of Starlight, but that can't be it...

Sage for ot

My unpopular opinion in Lolita:
>Tumblrfags should be forced into one comm together, and banished from the rest of us.

I think it is okay to wear JSKs without a blouse in the summer. I think some actually look better without a blouse.

>>7640715
if youre gonna skip the blouse, put on a cardigan or bolero at least

>>7640668

This one?
http://lolibrary.org/apparel/shooting-star-jsk

>>7633573
Pretty sure the Nazis used the term privilege a lot against the jews. :|

>>7633573
SJWs like you are too busy being sjw's to even read a book.

>>7634264
why? in japan a lot of lolitas don't wear blouses during the summer.

>>7640647
That's not unpopular at all.

>>7640753
>don't have rebuttal
>"hur dur reed a boook!!!111one"

I think buying brand is stupid, because I don't want anyone else to have the same print as me.

>I don't care about fatties. But I see nothing wrong with cringing at awful looking shit outfits.

>IDAF about height, color, sex.
Just look nice. If you go through such trouble to wear nice fucking clothes do your damn hair and make up. You don't have to wear a wig and you don't have to cake on the face to look presentable.

> That being said, if you don't wear a wig or other "optional accessories/make up" then don't expect to get rave reviews.
If you were put side by side with a fully dressed Lolita you are not going to look complete. It's just a fact.

>Props look stupid.
Scepters, balloons, etc. All of it looks retarded. Stop that shit. Same goes for those stupid nightgowns everyone is wearing. You look like you raided your granny' s closet. Might as well throw on some slip on house shoes.

>RHS still look good

>You don't have to wear a blouse.
Please don't kill yourself in the heat. Accept the fact some butt hurt moron is going to cry a river and move on.

> It's fucking CLOTHES.
Note, this is not an excuse to dress like a cheap lace clad noob and run around free of criticism. But what you wear is not going to change the world either way.

> Lolita is about modesty!!!111
Yes, there are some things that make an outfit Lolita or not. Sometimes a skirt can pass as a little short. Sometimes a chick with huge tits wears Lolita. Sometimes calves are shown. If it looks bad, it looks bad. There is not a skin percentage coverage requirement. You either look stupid because you lack elements, or you get away with shirring a bit of skin because you still present yourself well and look like you put forth an effort.

>>7641159
I agree with all of this
except I think overdresses/peignoirs can look good if it stops when the main piece does.

Although, I think it's still only ok in gothic or classic

>>7641165
I will concede to same length ones that match the outfit. If executed as such it looks like part of the dress and is not glaringly awful. I want to set the floor length ones on fire still.

>>7633316
as long as they don't look tacky I think wigs are good. people often mistake mine for my real hair because I go fairly natural but my hair is so thin and it falls out and just doesn't suit the style tbh. even if it looks fake, its more often than not better than real hair which can easily make a good coord look ita. I like that youre not afraid to show tattoos with it though! I love tattoos and I don't want my fashion choice to interfere with getting them. of course I'd hide them if wearing sweet or something if it looked really off but rock them girl! do you have a pic?

>>7633354
I'm 5"6/5"7 and I can wear most brand jsks no problem except the specifically short ones. I do wish I was shorter and would look better in Lolita if I was but I disagree with the idea that I cant be a Lolita if things are a bit above the knee. pic related - 90cm. which is fairly standard and I don't think its too short?

>>7637001
this. I was on the lower side of the measurements for an innocent world OP size small but for some reason it looked off to me. I felt like a giant even though I wasn't near the max measurements? sometimes pieces don't look right for any small reason. people should realize that and buy something that looks good instead of being stubborn and looking shit because it fits.

>>7641207
Anon, I think you are pretty and the skirt is a totally fine length (though ideally it'd be an inch or two longer - not you an inch or two shorter).

I see amo(japanese lolita/japanese model) and chokelate(e-famous western lolita) as looking very graceful in some coords. They're both relatively tall. Amo is your height and Choke is 5'10". The height doesn't work easily for all styles, but for styles like classic and gothic I think it looks elegant.

>>7641183

Of my tattoos? These are the most visible ones. I'm waiting for my car to finish getting worked on so I'm not in Lolita right now. I guess the only time I think they look really off is when I'm wearing classic, but I can't wear long sleeves in the middle of the summer since I live in Virginia.

I think that having a pretty face is important to really pull off Lolita.

>>7641440
Agreed. I also think having a nice body shape is important to pull off lolita.
Honestly, although most of you seagulls are good at coording things, you all look like shit in them. The fact that I've seen 130 pounds perceived as skinny here is absolutely baffling to me.

>>7641470
That's trippy.

>weight without height and build type makes no sense
>anon either lives in ethnically homogenous country and has not humored realities outside of her country, or lives somewhere like the US and doesn't see other human beings outside of those she chooses on the internet

>>7640704
I don't think that's unpopular

>>7640721
no
it defeats the purpose

>>7633278
soooooooo.. i'm supposed to wear ball gowns every day?? much accurate, very realism, wow

>>7641486
Height and build type would go with body shape. Believe it or not, lolita burando is aimed towards japanese girls, who are usually short, petite and less than 130. Seeing 6 ft people with an apple shaped body in lolita just ruins it for me. I couldn't care less about your ethnicity as long as you have a nice face and are small enough to actually fit in the dress and look good.

>>7641530
>>7641486

130 lbs looks very different on people even of the same height depending on their bf% and frame size

I hate seeing ugly man faced girls in Lolita. If they can afford brand, they can afford plastic surgery.

>>7641592
this is...this isn't literal right? Your country has socialized medicine doesn't it?

I fucking love fat girls in Lolita, who are happy and don't give a shit. Not because I love fat girls- I personally have lost a ton of weight and am working on slimming more

But I fucking love the number of you bitches who get sandy over fat girls. I don't get your hate and I don't get why you take fat people so personally. It's like every one of you has this giant vendetta against fat girls (did they kill your parents??? Holy shit for real), and the amount of energy and time waste in rage absolutely slays me.

I make a ton of fat positive secrets just to see the rage and hate. God damn I could seriously masturbate to how angry you all are.

>>7641530
So, are you an asian in denial or just a self-hating white chick? 130lbs is nothing but a number without height and bf%, even bone structure.

>>7641511
Go back to >>>/b/ you retarded memer faggot.

>>7641597
I've never heard of plastic surgery being covered by any kind of government-funded healthcare unless it's for burn victims or some shit. We're not THAT crazy.

>>7641599
fat people take up a lot of space, are a burden on society (try sitting next to a fat person in a plane or moving around overweight people in hospitals or other public places), and fat girls have awful personalities to boot

it's funny that people say shit like "so what if people are fat? why do u care? did they kill ur parents wahh"

do you not realize that fat people drive up health care costs? do you not realize that the majority of health problems are a result of being overweight? if being fat isn't a problem, why are governments attempting to help obesity from becoming an even bigger problem?

>>7641599
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/04/30/obesity-now-costs-americans-more-in-healthcare-costs-than-smoking/

you're delusional if you think that fat people aren't affecting others

>>7641608
I don't even wear lolita, I just think you all look like shit.

>>7636863
>>7636870
>>7636900
>>7636921
>tfw you're a brolita and so many creepers out there give you a bad name
:(

>>7641094
Well aren't you just a ~special, unique, snowflake desuuuuuuu~!"

>>7641530
>130 lbs
>fat

Detected anorexic/bulimia-chan! What are you even doing on here? Don't you have some throwing up and counting calories to do?

>>7641932
would it surprise you to know that you don't have to starve or make yourself throw up to be skinny and healthy? :^)

>>7640747
Privileged in what? Most of the stuff Nazis said about Jews being "privileged" where just traditional, anti-semitic/racist stereotypes not based in truth. Criticizing the ACTUAL oppressive classes like whites, men, abled-people, straights and cis-people doesn't resort to stereotypes because all the oppressive shit they've done is TRUE! And unlike minority groups they don't even have stereotypes about them since they're in the majority.

>>7641949
>implying skinny and healthy are the same thing
Oh, anon.

>>7641957
>implying that I was originally implying that skinny and healthy were the same thing

skinny OR healthy. better, faggot?

>>7641957
it's possible to be both skinny and healthy at the same time, you know.

>>7641964
I never denied that.

>>7641846
OP of this thread is a real piece of work

>>7641821

Because those are all minor inconveniences. It doesn't really kill you on a day to day basis, and considering you're throwing your money into Lolita and or cosplay, I don't think monetary healthcare issues are a big problem for you.

Just admit you hate fatties. Please. It makes this so much more enjoyable for me

>>7641422
I think those are cute! I can understand if people would nitpick over them but I think you could pull them off with Gothic at least!

>>7633226
Well not really. Maybe if you go for a casual look for everyday usage, especially when it's too fucking hot it's more acceptable otherwise no. I won't never attend a meet up or make pictures without a petticoat even if the heat melt me. Usually i don't put petticoat but because i still have not really lolita stuff as salopettes and low waist skirts.
>>7633524
Are you a troll or something?
>>7633529
This.
>>7633533
Yes, i saw some people doing non sexual ageplay stuff, even without the need of a daddy/mommy.
>>7633917
What the fuck you mean?
>>7633991
There are also "alt culture" freaks who dislike bdsm or too much guro stuff. There are some goths or lolita who are into these fetish-y stuff i admit, but some people belives everyone wearing these style are doing these freaky scary stuff.
>>7638426
I think this is somewhat accurate but i just hate La Carmina and her way of making "gothic lolita".
>>7640253
I remember this!! It's also my favourite show.

>>7633188
OP, temperatures are 100+ degrees where I live this time of year (especially when we're talking July through September or thereabouts). I'm not fucking touching long sleeves again until mid-October. Not even chiffon.