/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

all i know is i watched this and it was all fine until they basically mixed up lolita fashion and loli porn in japan

>>7625675
Isn't this the thing that someone was claiming they didn't know what the picture was for or something? I vaguely remember there being drama over it.

Hubby was browsing Netflix and goes "What the fuck--really?" and shows me this. FTR, he has absolutely no problem with me in lolita.
Netflix, I am disappoint.

>>7625685

Honestly, the documentary was on the up and up until it associated lolita fashion with lolicon. Like, if you watch it, the narrator literally draws a correlation between the two as if they're mutually exclusive to one another and its annoying because the nigga apparently couldn't take the twenty fucking minutes to read up on lolita fashion before drawing such an asinine conclusion? Like, wow, 10/10 reporting skills there bro.

It's just a shitty documentary that tries to justify pedophilia with some fedora-tier logic about how it's totally not pedophilia it's ephebophilia!

>>7625675
WEIRD. I watched that this afternoon and was thinking about posting something here. It was a pretty shitty documentary.

>apparently all dudes want to fuck sixteen year olds

>>7625675
wasps outfit is ita as fuck in the last episode of avengers disk wars :(

And this is exactly why I hate AP and say they give a bad reputation to the fashion. Probably because of them Lolita was even mentioned in this documentary

>>7625799

>>7625799
What does AP have to do with this? Correct me if I'm missing something here...I know AP produce 'sweet lolita' items like they're gumballs, but just because they capitalize on a certain style doesn't mean they condone ageplay.

>>7625813
except for that whole baby's bedroom print...

totally not ageplay

>>7625820
its a cutesie theme. just like candy and toys and kawaii puke. btssb has teddy bears and shit on dresses too. and even stuffed animal bags.

>>7625820
AgePLAY includes the play part for a reason. AP doesn't market their products as such and I don't think there are many actual items that are inherently "for ageplay".

>>7625675
>PEDOPHILES ARE TOTALLY INTO GROWN WOMEN WHO DRESS "LIKE CHILDREN"
>THEY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE
>GROWN WOMEN DRESSING LIKE CHILDREN ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT PEDOPHILES

The lack of logic in people who think like this make me sick. And even IF pedos started wanting mature women just because they dressed like children, this should be considered good and not bad because then they'd be fucking women and not little children.

>>7625825
Yeah but at least btssb never made fucking baby/toy prints, nor did they make pacifier accessories either!

Fucking stop living in denial APfags your precious favorite burando caters to lolicons.

God I am SO glad to be a Classic and Goth Lolita at times like this.

>>7625825
When you look like you want to live in a bassinet sucking on a pacifier and playing with a rattle like the ones printed on your dress it's fucking ageplay.

>>7625849
i like to ageplay an older woman, so i love classic too! SO glad to be a Classic lolita because it makes it so easy.

>>7625849
Honestly I like a lot of APs cutesy prints but that "Dreamy Baby Room" is fucked up.

>>7625851
>>That awkward moment when you use most of AP's outfits specifically for ageplay with your boyfriend.

I don't even care that I'm doin it wrong.

>>7625864
all the age players I know were really confused when i showed them AP dresses. Said they thought they were kind of cute, but couldn't imagine playing in them and being comfortable at all. Guess you're an exception.

>>7625854
lol at butthurt ap fags trying to turn classic in old age play as if it's some kind of clever insult. Funny how no classic or gothic series ever gets released to cries of, "old age play!", unlike every other ap print which gets tons of comments about it looking like baby fetish crap. I've never seen classic used as age fetish wear, but I've seen AP tights worn over diapers, not to mention the OP picture.

Classic looks like someone trying to dress nicely. Gothic looks like gothic. Sweet looks like grown ass women dressed like toddlers and carrying around stuffed animals.

>>7625894
>Only reason why Classic doesn't get "old ageplay" comments outside of Lolita is because "old woman ageplay" is rare and fucking disgusting because how is an old woman even fucking sexy? The fetish is fucking weirder than ageplay and is a boner killer.

>>7625894
>but I've seen ap tights worn over diapers
Pretty rich to accuse others of ageplay when you just happen to "find" a bunch of ageplay porn

>>7625849
Apparently you have never seen the fairy-kei brand Nile Perch

>>7625903
It was posted on cgl, genius.

>>7625902
>failing this hard at green text

>>7625902
>older women are unsexy
>babies and shitting yourself are hot

>>7625907
>Implying all ageplay has to involve bathroom play or even baby ages.

>>7625894
>Sweet looks like grown ass women dressed like toddlers and carrying around stuffed animals.
Wow, for someone talking about being butthurt, you sound pretty pissed.

Sweet comes in many flavors, not all of them are infantile. Fruit, chocolates, and non prints are also sweet. Brown is becoming an increasing popular color in sweet, both Baby and AP released their strawberry prints this year in it. Just because sweet isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean you should make wild generalizations.

>>7625917
Great so Sweet also appears to shit-color likers and fatties. Good to know. You're REALLY convincing me of its appeal now.

>>7625919
did someone in AP rape you anon?

>>7625825
>>7625849
>>7625854
>>7625894
I love when /cgl/ gets this heated, it's like I'm really watching retards on /v/ argue

>>7625919
>shit-color likers and fatties

Because these themes never appear in classic.

>>7625922
Yes, yes it did. It raped my eyes with its atrocious prints.

>>7625927
Since when has Classic ever had food prints?

Innocent World made a pie dress you faggot.

>>7625936
>>7625930
IW HAD THE REAL COOKIE HAIRCLIP TOO!

it comes full circle, it always comes full circle

>>7625930
I didn't mention doughnuts or similar, but chocolate and fruit make appearances.

>>7625894
Honestly I agree with you, but damn girl you need to chill

>>7625936
Innocent World is more Sweet-Classic combined rather than full on Classic. I'm talking real Classic brands here like MM or Jet.

>>7625928
this is golden

like the pee stained diapers of AP wearers

>>7625943
I like you anon-chan. :)

>>7625942
you're going to bring in JetJ with their cock pussy ass dress into this discussion of ridiculous things on dresses?

>>7625927
tbh I judge fatties in food prints more than I judge age players in ageplay prints.

>>7625942
I'll give you that.

But let's realize that sweet is on a spectrum, and to condemn it all as being age play is ridiculous.

>>7625949
Well, maybe brands should stop making food prints fit fatties. But judge away. I'll admit I'm a fatty who loves a good food print.

>>7625951
>That moment when you suddenly realize that most fit prints do actually fit fatties

I think burando is intentionally making fun of them.

>>7625856

Mfw I look damn cute in Dreamy Baby Room

>>7625955
Shit I meant *food prints. Typo for the fail!

>>7625750
>apparently all dudes want to fuck sixteen year olds
I think they do.

I guess it's different in the USA because of the high age of consent, but where I live people openly talk about fucking teenagers.

To be fair, I think a lot of middle aged women kinda want to fuck teen dudes too

>>7626015
agreed

>>7626004
You could also just know skeevy people tho
Sort of like how if you live in some shit parts of the us you think a lot of weird stuff is normal, like having 5 different babydaddies by the time you're 20

>>7626004
>>7626015

From an evolutionary standpoint, it's not that hard to understand. In order to raise their fitness consequence, it's best to mate with someone who is fertile and able to care for offspring, be it with someone younger because they are more likely to still be fertile, they have higher stamina, what have you. It's often the reasoning that humans use for animal mating systems, so why would it be different for humans? Only because of culture.

Haven't watched the documentary, however. Just scrolled past and thought this was interesting.

>>7626024
>It's often the reasoning that humans use for animal mating systems, so why would it be different for humans?

Because humans are human. Or would you also suggest that we shouldn't be living in houses, using computers or indoor plumbing because, you know, it's not like animals use those things and from an evolutionary standpoint they're completely useless.

>>7626024
And by "this", I meant the comments I quoted.

Sage because I'm not condoning the behavior, just someone interested in zoology wanting to jump in.

>>7626021
>You could also just know skeevy people tho
It's not just people I know, fucking teenager is something normal in here, as I think it should be.
I always cringe when I read stories about 18 year olds being put on sex offender lists in the USA for fucking their 17yo partners.

>>7626032
Chill. You're missing the behavioral aspect of it. I'm not saying it's right, but saying that it's a reason why it happens.

Along with that, technically from an evolutionary standpoint, both computers and houses would be an argument that they are beneficial. Cultural transmission and safety.

>>7626035
I cringe too but think about it this way, i live in the US and am 25-30 and not a lot of people in my age group are pursuing younger girls even though they are legal after 18. They aren't really going for 18 or 19 year olds and I don't think that would change if it were lower. Sure, some of them might want to occasionally, and some of them do like younger people but its really just not a lot. Its not even that socially unacceptable so wouldn't you logically see a lot more of it if this is all true? Plus a ton of porn is older women. I just don't really buy any "all x think this way and it's just a great big secret" conspiracy. Or maybe its just the people I hang out with. Also, I'm pretty sure I read a study somewhere saying women around 30 are considered most attractive and then it drops off there.
But really, guys will fuck anything to a certain extent... I'm glad the limit is what it is, 16yos have no business raising children

>>7625716
Mutually exclusive means "one or the other, not both", you used the term very wrong here.

So, while lolicon and lolita fashion are mutually exclusive (maybe), I don't think you meant to say that the documentary said that, and in fact the documentary said the exact opposite.

>>7625948
>cock pussy ass dress
I literally do not comprehend

>>7626053
Breman quartet

>>7626053
sorry, cock pussy bitch ass dress, I always forget the bitch

>>7626057
Does anybody else think jetj dresses are barely lolita anymore?
I saw their booth at an and literally everything there was just a plain printed dress with zero details. If an indie brand tried this no one would call it lolita, theyre literally just printed sundresses in shiny fabric anymore

>>7626040

My point is that we humans do plenty of things that aren't in our best interests from an evolutionary standpoint. Arguments that try to justify shitty behavior with 'it's evolution' are ignoring basically the entirety of human culture. You can spin the animal behaviorist thing any way you want depending on which animals and aspects thereof you're looking at (you can make similar arguments for choosing older mates, younger mates, male promiscuity, female promiscuity, monogamy, polyamory, etc, etc).

>>7626066
Diff anon but evolution isn't supposed to work in your best interests and yes its a shit. I don't think anyone here is trying to justify anything, just explain why it may be.
However imo I find evpsych really sketchy just because there constantly seem to be different explanations, sometimes for things later proven to not even be facts in the first place, and a lot of it is just seems like pulling shit out of your ass.

>>7626070
I do think anon has a point about the teenager thing, but who knows? Like for example people argue women prefer older men because they "have more resources and can better provide," but does that really make sense? In a tribal society, wouldn't younger hunters be providing the most? Not to mention older men have lower sperm count and would be more likely to already have a family their resources are going to. Yet, it's a coon "explanation". Its a field that needs a lot of work.

>>7626070

I said "best interests from an evolutionary standpoint" not best interests in general. And yes, it is just pulling shit out of your ass most of the time. Evopsych tends to latch on to any concept from animal behavioral science that would fit whatever hypothesis about human social behavior the person using it wants to demonstrate, regardless of context or how relevant that information is to humans. And that's not even getting into the 100% bullshit type stuff that gets mixed in (iirc there was something fairly recently about how women are naturally attracted to pink because hunter-gatherer society and berries! but there was literally nothing backing that up from a scientific perspective).

>>7626070
The argument was "It makes sense/is ok(though I'm sure anon doesn't actually think a 16 yr old should be fucking someone 10+yrs their senior) because it makes sense evolution and instinct wise"
If we went by that logic, it's normal for particular violent acts to be committed because they make sense evolution and behavioural wise. Ex: fighiting someone over a "prime mate", murdering someone who threatens your stability or neighbouring tribes etc.
Not that it would be something escalated to that point necessarily, but it's a similar idea.

Haha I'm glad you agree with me. I studied psych so this really bugs me. Yeah the pink thing is stupid, especially considering other cultures and times have not had the "pink is for girls" thing. Pure stupidity. There's not even that many pink berries wtf
Most people don't understand the difference between evolutionary best interests and personal best interests, ie the selfish genes. It causes a lot of confusion because they miss the idea that genes give no shits about anything except propogating themselves.

>>7626077
But violent acts do make sense gene wise. Doesn't make them okay, it just explains them. We as people know we are better than our genes, but that doesn't stop us from posessing genes that were successful at replicating in the past.

>>7626086
I'm not saying there aren't reasons that explain them when you delve deep enough, just that with our culture these are mostly obselete if you want to talk about evolutionary and societal advantages

>>7626088
Yeah but civilization has not been around long enough to cull these genes out. Genes don't disappear just because they become mostly irrelevant, especially not in 10,000 years.

>>7626077
Original anon here. Decided to look at this before bed and wanted to reiterate something. Only quoting one thing because I am on mobile.

I was giving an explanation as to why it may happen because that is how it is explained within animals. I didn't mean to stir up this much shit-- it was only an idea. I don't condone it and I agree, evoscience has murky waters. I was not trying to say "this is how it is"

As one anon mentioned though with the younger women being attracted to older men thing I think the general idea for that is experience vs. being more physically fit. Both have merits.

Also humans and evoscience is even murkier because culture. This is why I tend to stay in the relm of animal behavior (not including humans) because their cultures are much less...complicated, I should say.

Like I said, it was just an argument as to why it may happen.

>>7626092

Well, the thing is, none of these evopsych arguments are particularly sound on the science side either. You can make arguments for why violence is both a plus and a minus evolution wise, same with males opting for young females (the 'peak fertility' argument gets thrown around here all the time, but actually, women just out of puberty are *not* at peak fertility/fitness for childbearing).

It's a lot of cherry picking of data or more often anecdotes to fit a particular argument while ignoring the greater pictures of cultural pressures (yes, they are very real and not a thing animals have to deal with) and even genetics and evolution (which don't happen in a vacuum, the environment is a critical component to consider).

>>7626096
this is correct, peak fertility is a woman in her early-mid twenties and then it goes down after the woman gets into her mid and late 30's.

Teenagers are high risk pregnancy's

>>7626096
>not at peak fertility/fitness
Oh really? I never heard that! I really like learning evpsych but I really wish the fucking media and mra idiots would lay off of it.

>>7626057
This is hideous! I'm sorry but this looks wayy tackier than any so called "ageplay" print. Its just one, big fucking mess. I would even go as far to say that its as ita as one of those cosplay lace monsters.

>>7626108
Jetj really went downhill when they realized they could use other peoples art, print it out on a plain dress and sell it for $400. At least black milk "only" charges $100 or so. I can't say I blame them though, easiest clothing business model ever

>>7626108
I've always wondered if it's a joke dress or something. I just can't wrap my head around it. The 'cock pussy bitch ass' thing is just so horrifically perfect, but we're talking about an established brand, so I don't know.
What was the designer even going for here, if it isn't some sort of joke they're still looking to make money on?

>>7626114
If this is seriously someone's dream dress I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry. Fucking Dreamy Baby Room is a better print then this shit!

>>7626112
Yeah its only the easiest business model if most people are retards with zero fashion sense that actually think paintings look good on a dress.

If it actually is working out for them then I'm going to start to sincerely doubt any Lolita's fashion sense.

(Pic VERY much related.)

>>7626138
Well I don't know, people are still buying jetj right? Maybe not the cock pussy dress but they're quite popular?

>>7626138
Also not all of thrir stuff is so bad, almost everything I saw at AN was beautiful. The hideous stuff gets the most attention, but they do have quite a lot of nice things. It's just... Not really lolita, imo.

>>7626114
to explain it a bit better, it's based off some old fairy tale about the animals playing in a band or something. So it did like, COME from somewhere, they didn't just make it up to put it on a dress.

>>7626138
>Yeah its only the easiest business model if most people are retards with zero fashion sense that actually think paintings look good on a dress.
Let's see some examples of what dresses you like then since clearly your taste is so flawless.

>>7625675
with all of these misconceptions in the media,
someone actually into lolita should really get their own documentary about lolita fashion known and out there, and put it on netflix.

also include
>this documentary and how they fucked it up
>reality tv and how they fucked it up

>how much people love and enjoy the fashion
>the effort, love and care designers put into the fashion
>the right way to wear the fashion

>how people are utterly horrible to others in the fashion
>how people just want to wear a pretty dress and move on with their lives

>>7626183
'The Bremen Town Musicians'. The animals save the town of Bremen. There is a statue of the animals at the actual town.

>>7626057
JetJ Is Ita now more than ever. Have you seen that fucking hideous cat print dress? I can't believe people are calling that ugly thing a "dream dress"

it looks like a home made monstrosity, and that fucking print looks like something you'd find a joannes

If anyone on cgl bout it they have really fucking shitty taste.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE ALL OF METAS WORST MISTAKES PRINTED ONTO ON DRESS

Baby > IW > AP > Meta > Bodyline > Indie Brands > Chinese Replica Brands > literal shit > JetJ

>>7626273
>this bitch is hating on the best dress out there

>>7626288
voldie is that you?

>>7626288
lmao your taste is SO BAD

>>7626294
Amy, is that you?

>>7626273
>baby first
>AP third

welcome to lolita, if you'd like to know more about the fashion and expand your knowledge of all the styles and brands we have out there, hellolace is a good place to start.
I hope you enjoy your summer vacation with us.

>>7626288
No one cares that you own all of 3 things now, voldie. it really doesn't back your statement up in any way. maybe even detracts from it.
if my wardrobe was so sparse, I'd be embarrassed to post it as proof of how knowledgeable I am.
have you even come to a single meet yet?

>>7626301
is the best you ageplayers can do is call someone a "summerfag" ?

go suck on a bottle and shit yourself some more

>>7626306
Amy pls go

>>7626307
>age player

are you a retard? why would you think so? Because I implied that AP shouldn't be third? maybe that's because I think it shouldn't even be in the top 5.
sorry that I insulted your holy btssb. you can tell them to put me on their blacklist if you'd like.

>>7626306
>>7626296
haha I just posted the picture cause I like the dress enough to make it the centre of my brand shrine. But seriously, it's a super cute dress and the theme is both funny and adorable, I don't get how someone wouldn't like it.

>>7626310
>>7626298
I don't know any Amys

>>7626307
I'm sorry you lost your dentures
fucking ageplay classic calling out ageplay sweet for shitting themselves when you BOTH wear diapers.

gothic is the only way.
cry more whiny babies and cranky old ladies

>>7626310
Who is Amy? Since voldies in Toronto, I assume Amy the Yu? Why would she care?
You know that its possible for more than one person to not care for your attention whoring ways.

>>7626313
neither do I. just decided to throw out a random name to show how obnoxious it is to call people (trips or not) out.

>>7626317
Sally please, the real attention whore is you.
you just want sempai voldie to notice you so you can flame her, no1curr

>>7626314
I left my mall goth days back when i was 12, some day you'll grow up and throw away all your skulls and living dead dolls along with your MCR albums

>>7626024
evolutionary psychology is a crock of shit

>>7626322
at least I don't shit my pants

>>7625919

> likes classic
> doesn't like brown

0/10

Are we still dissing on peoples fetishes?

I dont like toys, stuffed animals and other similar things on my dresses. But I am into ageplay.
I dress in otome mostly, and for me my clothes are just my clothes. My fashion and fetishes dont cross. Now Im not trying to derail this thread but, there is a huge stigma against ageplay without knowing anything other than "they like kiddy stuff". So for fucking once and for all: Ageplay is about caregiving. At least for me and the people I know.
When Im in 'littlespace' its so relaxing. There isnt any more stress. Its just about having fun. Lots of people probably like doing kids crafts or whatever, or coloring, because its soothing. I think anyway.
As for the roles, having a 'daddy' (IT IS NOT AN INCEST THING) is a person who takes care of you, and protects you. Lately the community has been striving to go with caregiver/little rather than little girl/daddy. The whole thing is about love and feeling loved and feeling happy. Whats so fucking sick about it?
Then there can also be the sexual side to it, sometimes people are into BDSM and they overlap, but not necessarily.
Sorry for offtopic, but it just grinds my gears when I hear people talking out of their asses.

Looked through the archives, I posted this a few months ago. Figured some people could use some clarification.
And for the record, I don't condone pedophilia. At all

>>7626239

Seriously. I can see it now.

> Lady's voice over
> soft piano music accompanying
> "There's been a lot of misconception in the media, making us look like we're trying to attract pedophiles or become something we're not."
> shots of movie poster, screencaps of TLC shit

Anyone want to make a goddamn movie?

>>7625930
Are you fucking kidding? Id put together a collage but its really not worth the effort for stupid like you.

>>7626043
> 16yos don't have any business raising children
I don't think age has very much to do with it actually. IMO anyone dumb enough to have unprotected sex if they're not financially or emotionally stable has no business raising children.

>>7625710
The girl in the picture did not know it was going to be used as the cover for a documentary named "Are all men pedophiles?", no. There was some reality tv-tier manipulation involved without the inherent untrustworthiness of reality tv. You don't expect documentary makes to be sleezebags, you know?

>>7626345
She sure looks 'sexy' enough for the part.

>>7626334
If someone makes a kickstarter I will put money down. it would have to be someone we trust though.

I'd love to have bits in the documentary like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZDVJR_XqAY

it really captures the love people have for the fashion

>>7626333
That's all well and good but I'm assuming that many of sweet lolita just don't want to be assiciated with ageplay, despite the childish prints and stuffed toy accessories. Personally, I think it's pointless to try and distance the two as centuries of people associating stuffed toys and the images on sweet prints with babies and very young children isn't going to be erased by a minority fashion subculture.

>>7626352

> lolitas talking about how they're treated while dressed up
> "I don't get the hostility. Stares are fine. Questions are fine."
> shots of people sneaking photos and shouting out of cars
> "But all this open anger? It's just a dress."

>>7626352

Nigga, that's kawaii.

>>7626354
Its one thing to try and distance yourself from it. I understand that sweet lolitas do not want to be mislabeled. I'd be upset too if in public someone were to imply Im pedo bait or whatever based on my clothing.
Bridging a distance between the two, fine. But then say really awful things about ageplayers in the process? Lolitas have just as many misconstrued ideas about ageplay as people do of lolitas.

>>7626358
>history of the fashion
>different meaning of "lolita" in japan and overseas
>mention dislike of the name and confusion
>showing lolitas doing things together (bonus if not a tea party)

>documenting a lone lolita
>going to lolita stores and doing interviews

>recreation of scenes like people throwing stuff at lolitas, general bad experiences

>hopefully document good experiences

ITT:
>"You're shit because you like shit that I don't like!"

Deities above and below, we all wear weird dresses. Calm the fuck down, gulls.

>>7626376
>mention dislike of the name and confusion
I don't think we should do that. No one really dislikes the name, just the history of it.

>>7626380
alright. what about mentioning the dislike of the way people perceived the book?

>>7626387
I think since lolitas don't want association with the general theme of the book, I'd say skip it and just focus on the name only.
Not every lolita is in agreement with the themes and actual content of the book.

Focus on the fashion and the history; steer away from a book report.
imho.

>>7626387
If I were the one making it I'd probably go into a tangent about the book, the real story behind it and how it's often misunderstood by idiots but that probably wouldn't give the right impression...

>>7626379
>ap lover

>>7626394
The name Lolita is from the book. You cant mention lolita without Vladimir Nabokov's novel.

>>7626394

> show, don't tell

I like your style, anon.

> film a girl showing several coords with the same main piece
> "It's an outfit. It's not like I go out and buy a costume, like you wear it and that's it. You build a wardrobe and learn to match what you have with what you want."
> shots of various wardrobes and girls modeling their coords

i like eggs

>>7626412

But the fashion didn't originate from the book. Going off on how it's unrelated would make it look suspect, but showing that it's just an alternative fashion and not some kind of pedo-trap would be easier to swallow for people who had no idea of what lolita fashion is.

>>7626414
I'm eating an egg sandwich right now, Anon!

>>7626413
i liek dis

>>7626419
I get that it doesn't originate from the book; however its something casuals would point out while watching the documentary. Easier to just casually address it in the film on the list of things that people generally misunderstand. Like when explaining the origin of the fashion, "why did Mana pick lolita as the name of the fashion? Its a cute name. Nothing to do with the sexually precocious young girl in Nabokov's book. In fact lolitas aim is about innocence etc etc"
In fact, has anyone actually asked Mana directly why he chose lolita? Something we could look into.

>>7626412
Right, I do think it's worth mentioning, but I don't think it's a swell idea to delve into the depths and themes of the book in the context of trying to give a deeper explanation of the fashion.
It'd be simpler to say something more along the lines of:

>"This is what the name is commonly associated with/where the name originated from/whatever.
>"However, due to the controversial nature and debates surrounding this book, most lolitas distance themselves from it altogether to avoid negative connotation, as all they have in common with the book is solely the name."

Again, imho.

>>7626398
You're cute when you try so hard.
It's adorable.

>>7626447
You. I like you.

On a side note, I usually give an explanation just like this to people who get *the look* when I say the name. They seem to get it.

>>7626447
this, this is what I meant

>>7626453
>mad

>>7625675
"Hey anon, you like dressing up right? Well have you heard of this site called Milanoo?"

"Pfft eww. Obviously you're a noob. Real Lolitas wear AP." *spins around in bodyline dress*

>>7626352
Isn't the designer of Innocent World obsessed with the idea of a 'pure maiden' and is disgusted by lolitas with large chests or 'sexy' bodies?

>>7626511
where did you see that, source?

>>7626513
I can't recall exactly, but I remember hearing stories of when she went to a tea party and was either turning people away for their bust or was scoffing at/about them.

>>7626413

> "Lolita has guidelines."
> shots of pettis hanging up, makeup compacts on a vanity
> "Well, all fashion has guidelines, really. That's what makes it so rewarding to get a really good outfit together."
> a girl sitting at the vanity, styling her hair/wig
> "When you know you're dressed your best, you really feel confident. When I've put a beautiful outfit together, I don't mind the attention I get, because I know I'm looking my best, you know?"

>>7626533
Thread for lolita documentary convo
dump all your thoughts and ideas

>>7626532
>besmirching the name of Fujiwara-sama on some baseless chatter

>>7626597
I heard the same thing too. Cant remember the source.

>>7626442
I heard a theory that was based more on Japanese culture than Mana, but I liked it. It said that Westerners, when they think of 'Lolita', they think of a young girl acting older and being sexualized, right? But it said that the Japanese look at it from the other perspective. An adult woman who acts younger and cute would be considered 'Lolita'. The emphasis is more on her appearance and attitude, not on the age. A curvaceous, sexual, 15 year old wouldn't be considered 'Lolita' because of the attempts at "maturity" and lewdness of her nature. A 23 year old woman who was very petite, flat, maybe a bit shy, and wore cute sundresses- She would be still be considered 'Lolita'.

It's definitely different from the Western world, where we prize secondary sex characteristics above all else. It baffles me that people get mad when an adult dresses young, when our culture has created 10 year olds who wear crop tops and heels.

Westerners also age more obviously. A 16 year old Caucasian girl looks more different than a 21 year old Caucasian woman than a 16 year old Asian girl compared to a 21 year old Asian woman. That might be a part of why Westerners freak out so much.

Confession: When people cannot get over the Lolita name, I'll tell people that the Japanese thought it was Portugese for "cute".

I hate doing this, but it clears it up really fast for people in the mall who won't shut up about it. I'm a terrible person.

>>7626766
>It baffles me that people get mad when an adult dresses young, when our culture has created 10 year olds who wear crop tops and heels.

10/10

>>7626782
As a portuguese speaker, I really wish the information you give out was true. That would make things so easy.

>>7626239
I've never used Kickstarter. I would start using it for this idea.

It would be cool if they could do a collage of Comms from all over the word. Anyone you gulls think would be good as a host?

Captcha: commission abilon

>>7626787
I know. I can't remember why I chose Portugese.

I am sorry for using your language. ._.

>>7626788
>>7626538

>>7626792
Maybe because panko is Portuguese? It's a funny technique. I'd use it if I weren't afraid of people calling me out on it.

>>7626792
No reason to apologize, I just wish it was true!

I think spanish makes more sense, though, since Lolita is a spanish nickname for Dolores.

>>7626845
Well, I do say it is a "mistranslation". As if someone in Japan just messed up on accident.

I've never been called out on it, even by Lolitas with me.

>>7626845
Pan is Portuguese not panko.

>>7626511
No, she just doesn't like overtly sexual things as far as I can tell and what she said. I don't think she cares about big breasts unless they're in your face or stuffed like a sausage.

"disgust" I'm thinking is a strong word to be using here

>>7626782

even though it might not be true, I actually think it's a pretty clever response to make clear that it's nothing sexual and the name was just an "accident" .
and it's not like we know for sure why Lolita fashion has its name.

>>7625942
JetJ is fuckin screenprinted paintings thrown onto fabric that somehow came out of a sewing machine in the vague shape of a dress.

Tasteful. Elegant.

>>7626324
kk go back to ur coffin pls

>>7626849
You can always use it, but with different language, like Swedish or something.
I usually say that an idiot from Japan thought "lolita" means "girl" in English... Which is probably partially true considering Mana's language fails.

>>7626323
Pretty much
And it's always used to explain why "Pedophilia is okay"
Fucking baby-fuckers, the lot of them should be shot

>>7626380
And the book isn't even romantic too
Like the novel Lolita is one the best examples of unreliable narrating I can think of

>>7626511
Well even if that's true, I'd like to thank her from the bottom of my D-cups for making L-size blouses.

>>7626314
I'm an actual goth outside of lolita but I think gothic lolita is fuck ugly most of the time.

>>7626065
>>7626108
>>7626273
Finally someone who agree with me!
>>7627812
Same here! Infact i love sweet lolita mostly in black but also in red or pastels, some classic-sweet and punk lolita. Well i think you can be a goth even when you are dressed in sweet lolita or classic lolita.
>>7627045
I hate this "scientific" evolutionary shit, they are claiminf rape and other harmful stuff to women for the sake of science. Fuck them.

>>7628171
Yup, I agree. I'm a sweet lolita and I love pink, lavender, and navy, but outside of lolita I'm actually a deathrocker. It's a pretty funny contrast.

>>7627254
I'd love to suck on your tits (if you aren't fat)

>>7628171
Yeah. I'm in evolutionary science as a field so I feel a special kind of pissed off when people who don't know what they're talking about say that, since actually the newest research speaks of a different view -- the reason people are nice to each other and live in communities, and also try to have long-term relationships, is because this is actually better for passing on their genes then the more stupid view redpillers have of some intrinsic propensity to rape, sleep around, etc. Well, historically science has been claimed to support whatever social philosophy is in at the time (see: eugenics, phrenology, mass sterilization) no matter what actual scientists are saying (and some of them too will get on the bus for the sake of pay), so I guess it's nothing new.

>>7628249
Instead i dress "punk gothic", i don't have a precise style but i can pass maybe for a deathrocker because i love fishnet tops, stripes, leopard stuff, skulls, etc BUT i listen to industrial/dark electro music mostly. And on the other side, i dress fairy kei or sweet lolita, how contrasting.
If burando stuff was more into creepy cute, maybe AATP finally is going into this route with the new print! Cat eared lollipops, melty haunted houses and coffins. Also Marionette in my Closet by AATP is into my dream dress list.
>>7628763
Totally agree. Well if i think about how was the scientific field during WWII and nazis feel they were right, this is true. People love to hate each other or harm using scientific theories, even if these are only created out of nowhere. I'm not an expert as you because my university course is totally different but i tried to give a replu.

>>7628763
What bothers me the most is that they can't tell the difference between explaining a behavior and condoning a behavior. We can try to figure out why rape shows up in our societies throughout time and into previous species, but that doesn't mean that rape is okay or that we shouldn't try to stop it.
They're worse than people who can't understand correlation and causation.

>>7629079
Guys shut up we're talking about making a documentary about lolita here.
Everyone else has raised interesting points, stay on topic.

Would we mention 'ita' in the documentary/ I feel it makes us look bad.

>>7626043
Actually I've seen plenty more studies establish that 17 was the most consistent age men picked women as the most attractive. IIRC this was a BBC co-production so I doubt it was just a "Younger is better!" bias

>>7629116
I know its useless anecdotal evidence but I probably got hit on the most at 23-24. I did stop going out a lot after that though

>>7626194
Certainly. Sugary Carnival and Milky-chan are my dream dresses.

Doubt my taste now?

>>7629427
yes.

>>7625919
I don't even wear sweet but damn, are you in high school or some shit? Middle school perhaps?
It's just a fucking dress dude

>>7629105
it needs to be attended
as a "bad" way to do lolita.
get someone to model ita clothes.

just like fashion mags have "dos and donts" we too have it.

>>7629105
>>7630693
It's cute how seriously you guys are taking this. Normalfags won't give a shit either way.

>>7630795
its so cute how you're quick to give up

>>7625894
I agree with you entirely. Classic is beautiful and elegant. Gothic looks gothic and can also be beautiful and elegant. Sweet lolita just screams ageplay and is fucking childish and loli-ish.

>>7625894
I'm a classic lolita and I participate in ageplay.
I don't do it in my MMM or IW,
I buy crappy bodyline to fingerpaint in.
Its like being a victorian doll.

there are gothic lolitas into ageplay, classic lolitas, sweet lolitas, and so on.

this finger pointing has gotten old but it makes me giggle because no one would suggest me of it since I'm a "mature classic" lolita