/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>7594047
Great, I need something cute to wear in the kitchen

Hasn't the novelty of melty cream worn off already? Everyone was going bonkers for it a while ago but I haven't seen it or heard anyone talk about it for a while (until now).

>>7594048
>chiffon
>actually cooking

In all seriousness, I can't believe how good this looks. I got rid of my replicas but the OP is seriously tempting.

>>7594047

What is "a fraction"? Because if the fabric is USD25 or more per metre then it's really better to go find some free clipart donuts, give it a striped background, upload to spoonflower and get the silky faille (apparently holds up well in the washing machine, still doesn't print true black but you don't need true black for donuts), and then you can wear a "donut" print dress, guilt-free, and even brag about having made your own print (hey, someone had to assemble the clipart and make the striped background) and your own dress.

Buying replicas gives you no bragging rights and a lot of baggage from anti-replica lolitas, the price would have to be pretty low for me to consider getting one just to wear around the house when I have regular, cute non-lolita clothes that cost "a fraction" of Melty Cream Donuts anyway.

>>7594047

what's the shop name?

This is still my dream dress. It seems no one wants to ever sell theirs in my preferred colorway though.
Won't cave in and get a replica

>>7594047
Replicas? Only poorfags fat ita weebs buy replicas (and Bodyline)

>>7594279
You forgot fats.

>>7594279
>(and bodyline)
that was completely unnecessary

do you masturbate to brand or something? seriously, fuck off

>>7594286
Wow, so easy to rustle those jimmies lol

>>7594047
Is it just me or does the replica look better than the authentic?

>>7594047
>how do you think this will affect the replica debate?

Replicas are still shit. I don't know how this is supposed to affect the 'debate' apart from giving fatty-chans and replica-chans something else to wear while looking ita.

They don't seem to be making these in custom size, unless I'm misreading, so I don't know why we are throwing fatty chan under the bus

>>7594292
I'm interested in buying one. Will I be shot for it?

>>7594287
including bodyline was just stupid.

>>7594299
I'm going to buy it and not give a damn. These anti-replica whores are all talk online and behind people's back but they would never say anything to you in person. So buy what you want with your money, and flip off anyone that has a problem.

Is it this shop/listing?
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.8mr1vb&id=38947760188
I can't make out the shop address in OPs pic.

>>7594299
If you don't post pics online then who will know? It's still down to your own ethical decisions but if you like it and you want it then go for it.

>>7594323
Tbh I'm fairly new to the lolita scene and I collect figures (so replicas are basically bootlegs) so I can see why people aren't so happy about it.

Found the store and had a look and the prices arent too bad, enough for me to consider buying.

>>7594320
I did a reverse image search + matched up the web address so yes I'm pretty certain that's it.

I might grab some fabric to make a vest or shorts

The only thing that's really bothering me about the replica is that they didn't even try to align the print on the sleeves. It's really obvious where the first bit of sleeve ends and the other starts.

>>7594333
but if you look at the image the authentic one doesnt match up the images either????

>>7594335
It lines up, though. As in, it looks like they tried to get the line of falling donuts in about the same area.
I wish pink wasn't sold out. I would buy one just to wear around the house or when going out. I own the JSK in mint, but I paid so much for it that wearing it makes me really anxious.

>>7594337
oh okay I see what you mean, I thought you meant the actual donuts not being cut off where the seams are but yes I see what you mean. Sorry I misinterpreted.

>>7594330
this is a huge clashy mess. usually i like buttcape's other outfits but this was too much.

>>7594310
You do realise that Bodyline makes a shit-ton of replicas, right? Just because it's not always printed doesn't mean it's not a replica. It's all they ever used to make.

>>7594311
How autistic would you have to be to say something about someone's shitty replica in person? That would be so fucking awkward. Doesn't mean that we're not judging your poor taste and think that you look like shit, though.

>>7594047
>How do you think this will affect the replica debate? The resale value of these prints?
There's replicas of a lot of popular prints and it never effects the resale value of the authentic version. Nor will it change the replica debate in favor of replicas. People who are against them will continue to be against them.

It was easier when you could track down replicas by DOL and Oojia (plus the other shoddy ebay shops) but now with more replicas popping up, it's going to be harder to track this shit down and keep yourself from being scammed. Not that it happens often, but it helps to be aware of what replicas exist. This one looks fairly close, and because I wasn't super-familiar with the more minute details, I couldn't figure out which one was which immediately, and that bothers me. Usually I can tell a replica right off the bat.

I honestly want it but I already own two replicas that are both sort of ugly, and I'm also embarrassed to wear around my comm or be seen wearing in photos online.
What's the point?

>>7594365
>tfw the only good coords posted in Bodyline threads use the Atelier Pierrot bustle skirt replica

>>7594365
read it again. tell me what the post I responded to implied.

>>7594107
>gives you no bragging
>implying that we just wear lolita to impress others and not for ourselves

>>7594455
sadly this is what a lot of lolitas think. they just want the fame and attention

>>7594370
That's the most worrying thing imo. In most cases you'd have to be stupid to accidentally buy a replica but in this case it could be easy to mistake it for the real thing in sales photos. Especially since this isn't the only one they're planning on making.

>>7594047
Is it bad that I think the replica actually looks a little nicer than the original in that pic?

Maybe I'm just really blind but I can't see a difference between the two dresses. Can someone tell me what to look out for to differentiate between the real and replica?

>>7594616
Upper half yes, lower half not so much.

>>7594627
Looks like the waist bow is a bit to high and the buttons are different that's all I see

>>7594627
>Bib of the original looks wider/larger than the replica
>blue ribbon material is visibly different
>lace on replica looks flatter/less pleated/ruffled
>replica is a lighter colour/more blue

>>7594348
Nope. She looks pretty good, actually.
10/10 would hold hands while wearing my Chess Chocolate.

>>7594647
I think the colour just has to do with the lighting.
The bib is about 2cm thinner though. But you'd have to be an autist to notice that irl

>>7594641
>>7594647
Thank you anons! Although I still think if I just saw the replica by itself, I don't think I could spot it's a replica. I wonder if anyone will try to sell it as the real thing and how easy it will be to tell.

>>7594650
I think there is a very slight colour difference but it's incredibly slight and only really noticeable if you put the two together.

>>7594310
Bodyline isn't a real brand tho. Sorry bout it.

oh man I said I'd give up the replica life but this is seriously tempting

>>7594650
>>7594657
The comments/reviews on Taobao have noted a slightly different colour as well. It's really not that noticeable, but I think it is different.

I've never bought a replica, but I might have to contact my agent about this. I am spending way too much this month.

>>7594456
Yup, and this is why you can't nail it into antireplica-chan's heads that no one gives a fuck what they think and that their internet-famousu-points don't matter. And if you try to point this out, you're clearly a blind anti-brand replica-chan no matter what, you couldn't possibly just be pointing out the flawed logic.

But on the flipside, anyone that makes a post like 'if I buy a replica will people be mean to me :(' clearly shouldn't bother doing so, if they care about others' opinions.

>>7594310
bodyline is shit.
>all this denial
>topkek

Since they're selling the fabric and lace, I'm sold. The authentic one is way too short to look good on me so I might as well make something that would be more flattering.

>>7594969
>implying the replica is longer.
did you even look at the photos or youre just looking for an excuse to buy one

>>7594985
Anon said she would buy the fabric and make one.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>7594985
lrn2 reading comprehension faggot

They have a holy lantern replica too. Tempted to get it since the OP is so hard to find.

>>7594456
I've seen girls brag about owning replicas of popular prints because to some people it's more of a collector's hobby. Especially where prints are concerned. I think that's what they meant.

>>7595010
hnnng i really want some holy lantern replicas, not gonna lie.
i have the white op but i love the print so much i want to be able to wear it to work without worrying about ruining such an expensive dress

>>7595010
I'd buy that if they had a white print

I don't have a personal issue with replicas as long as you never claim it to be real, or try to resell it for more than its worth/scalp.

I think there just needs to be some kind of ettiquete with replicas. wear em at home, or at cons. never wear at official events. do not claim them to be real and understand people may be upset with you.

alternatively, i dont think its ok for people to verbally abuse others for buying replicas.

>>7595020
>>7595028
>replicamind

>>7594311
>anti-replica whores
wow good one
have fun with your shitty fake dress

>>7594311
this 'fuck the haterz' mentality is the cancer that's killing lolita, cosplay, everything.

I can't wait to buy a bunch of these and scam the hell out of people via trades.

>>7595037
>>7595033

yeah i think those people *are* going to have fun with their shitty fake dresses. That's why they want it, to have fun. You may be collecting it because you want to show off you have tons of money or you want to support your burando, and thats cool. But some people just think the dress is cute and maybe don't want to spend $500 second hand on one.

Y'all are really going to have to get over the fact that there will be people buying replicas. It's happened since the end of time. I'm sure you all saw Shimotsuma Monogatari. Fake versace still sells, and no one gives a shit. It looks cool, it's cheap, they know its fake, no one fucking cares.

If you can afford it, sweet, ball on sweetheart! But you acting like a cunt isn't going to change the fact that people will be buying replicas, wearing them, and actually enjoy themselves.

I'm going to get one for casual wear.

>>7595087
But why buy a fake dress to enjoy yourself? Why not just buy Bodyline or offbrand/non-replica Taobao?

>>7595096
Well to most lolitas, bodyline is just as shitty as owning a replica..

Some people fall in love with prints. Honestly I really adore the holy lantern op, it's a really pretty design. But I will never have the kind of money to buy a real one. Lolita is sort of a side hobby for me, and I don't invest tons of money in it. I buy really, really old brand dresses. Damaged ones I can fix, some taobao ones if possible.

But I do admire big name brands, and I think the designs really cute and I'd like to own them but when it comes between spending literally half a grand or buying a replica, i might lean to the replica.

Mind you, I've never bought a replica yet, but I can see the attraction to one. I can see how owning a replica would make you feel happy since you know realistically you can never spend that much on the real thing, that is if you can even find it.

>>7595112
"most lolitas" my arse. /cgl/ is the only place I've ever seen people say that owning Bodyline is as bad as owning replicas. What kind of stuck-up Lolitas have you been talking to?

>>7595096
I'm one of the anons who mentioned wanting to buy it for lounging around the house in.
I will always love my brand, but when I paid $500+ on my MCD OP, I don't exactly feel comfortable wearing it around my cat or when I go out for walks in the woods.
While these are replicas, they're no less "real" than Bodyline. It's a cute dress and a cute print.
I've never supported replicas in the past, and I'm still unsure of how I feel about these morally, but it seems like a pretty nice option for when I'm hanging out around the house or outside participating in slightly more risky activities.

>>7595128
Eh, it's general knowledge that bodyline isn't the best quality. They've sold replicas before, and then all that "creepiness" of Mr Yan. So that whole scum-factor kind of applies to the same people who buy replicas.

Though I think since bodyline kind of quit with the replicas and are improving overall that people aren't as harsh on wearers of it anymore.

The thing I hate most about replicas in lolita is that, the fashion isn't really all that expensive. Most other direct replicas of items are for things that cost upwards of $1000, not $300 dresses. It's almost shocking how entitled people can be about this sort of thing, before anyone says, I know replicas have existed forever, doesn't make them right. Even so, I can't justify replicas of items that are so cheap to begin with.

>>7594047

i have their fairy marine replica, the sewing is so messy and fabric is so itchy that i can't wear it without an undershirt. all the seams are really obvious and the organza is itchy as hell. regret buying since i never wear it

>>7595153
That one looked horrible from the images, though.
The tiered skirt bit was fucking atrocious and yet people were losing their shit.

>>7595148
the fashion is not that expensive? are you insane? most people with hobbies are not going to invest $500+ on one thing. $500 is enough to sustain someones entire fucking hobby in most cases.

Lolita is an EXTREMELY expensive hobby. Dresses that are new will start around $300, and that's only if you can snag the dress you want before it sells out. Afterwards you're looking to a small selling market to potentially buy the dress you missed out on.

And I'm not talking about the expensive shoes, bags, jewelry, and other accessories in general. You ask a normal person if spending $50 on a fucking PLASTIC NECKLACE is not expensive.

>>7595160
Well tough shit, life's not fair. As hobbies go, it's still on the cheap end. As fashion goes, it's dirt cheap. If you spoke to any enthusiast of any other kind of fashion and said that $300 was expensive for a dress you'd be laughed out the door.

Get real.

>>7595169
You sound like you never worked for money in your life. How much does your dad make?

>>7595181
Haha wow good one anon. I've been working in retail for the last 4 years. Does it pay well? Barely. Do I know that saving up for something of good quality that I want is worth the money? Of course.

>>7594430
The point? Wearing it for yourself.

I'm against brand replicas but all the cuts for this series were so unflattering. I am more than pleased that I can go ahead and purchase fabric to make a better dress out of this because I adore the fabric. I honestly don't care if I rustle my comm's jimmys over this if I wear it around town.

>>7595160
You totally missed the point. Point is, they don't usually replicate $300 dresses. Hell, they usually replicate $1000+handbags and the like.

Either way, you have a lot of entitlement that I was talking about.

>>7595160
Personally I don't find $300 for a dress that expensive really. $100-300 for dresses is very normal from where I live (not counting those cheap stores like H&M), so I have always been kinda ehh whenever people call lolita an expensive hobby. Also, people don't really buy $500 dresses that often. A lot of hobbies and sports have people spending more than $500 on one item. As for comparing it to luxury fashion brands, a $300 dress is not expensive at all. Like my mother recently bought a pretty plain white Burberry t-shirt for around $100.

>>7595183
So you live in a trailer? How rorita

>>7595160
Most dresses don't sell for more than retail secondhand, you know.

>>7595160

Do you collect pet rocks or something? That's the only way I can think of that you haven't spent >$500 on the hobby yet.

Hell, I'm in crafting and I could easily dump $50 on a crafting binge, and I would be getting far from everything I wanted even if I bought in bulk from aliexpress.

I'm not fabulously wealthy by any means, go to school full time and work a part time job, and I still have ways to save for lolita, I'd never settle on a replica.

I've seen some in person, and while the print usually looks fine, the overall quality just doesn't ever compare to brand in most cases. Hell, after I bought my first brand dress, I haven't been able to bring myself to order anything from bodyline except shoes.

Honestly, you can just put away that $100 you'd put toward a replica and save. Saving for something really nice and getting it is always a great feeling as well. I also want my favorite brands to stick around, so fully supporting them is a must in my book.

>>7595188
Everytime someone compares lolita fashion prices to designer brands i cringe. Theyre not the same. Alternative niche fashion =/= haute couture you ignorant fuck

>>7595259

Where I live, mid-range clothing (we're talking about not fully lined dresses, florals errywhere in spring, China made shit) can be anywhere from 60-100 euros. I can get secondhand brand for cheaper.

I also never got the whole deal about 'omg haute couture' if it is just a plain tshirt like anon said. Maybe if it's a nice purse, but hey, I like bells and whistles on my clothing so maybe I'm not the best person to judge.

>>7595218
I have spent more than $500 on my hobby [illustration, my goddamn box of Copics are 500 dollars by themselves] and I think Lolita is an extremely expensive hobby. $250-$500 for a "normal" lolita dress is pretty outrageous from a normal standpoint. People spend that kind of money on a Prom Dress or very special occasion dress. Sure, not a grand plus for a wedding gown price but to think 'That's not much.' is pretty insane. 400-500 dollars could pay for your/or a lot of your rent or food money for a month or two depending on where you live and how you eat.

>>7595284

I never said it wasn't 'not much,' I'm just pointing out how any hobby can add up to a lot very easily.

>>7595259
burberry isn't 'haute couture' you ignorant fuck, it's high street fashion.

>>7595292
Yeah and you can buy street fashion items on taobao for cheap too. Does it look any different? Does anyone care if you spent 100 dollars or 20 dollars on a tee shirt if they look the same? Nope!

Lolita falls in that same category. Only you can recognize the drawings printed on them so girls who think they are special will shit on someone if they see them wearing a replica.

>no one cares about non print replicas

>>7595191
come on, anon. i'm not the person you replied to but there is such a thing as working hard and budgeting.

>>7594366
Usually I'll keep my comments to myself but as soon as replica-chan starts telling me that I'm wasting my money I will shut her the fuck down. Publicly if she had the poor taste to bring it up in front of others.

Honestly I don't care what other people wear. I only worry about what's in my own closet. But as far as the friends I've made in lolita, none of them have been replica owners because those people at the end of the day don't have the same interests or values I do. They also tend to be in different parts of their lives (not in or not finishing school, still living with their parents, no ambition outside of talking about opening a lolita cupcake shop, which I've heard 100 times now). Most of them aren't even active for more than 3 months before they move on to something else because they're not in it for the fashion. But I'm OK with that because they have trouble dressing themselves outside of lolita so I didn't have hope for them. It's best that they move on to other hobbies.
This post is as judge-y as I've gotten about replicas and it's all stuff I would feel comfortable saying in real life. You would never know how I feel about replicas until you try to shit on brand in front of me.

tl;dr replica-chans and I have nothing substantial in common

>>7595259
>>7595188

No, most alternative niche fashions aren't haute couture but that doesn't mean for the time and artistry involved lolita isn't really a fucking cheap fucking fashion hobby compared to most major 'brand' fashions. Most ready made high end brands brands aren't haute couture but ready made like lolita in far greater ammounts but they still run more expensive than the amount of artistic input and quality control our typical lolita 'Brands' have. If you think that off the rack shit Chanel and Vivienne Westwood doesn't sell +$800 a dress despite it not being haute couture you are straight up delusional.

Haute Couture can start at $10,000 a garment a go upwards of $100,000 a dress considering last time I checked there were only 23 "official" designeres at the Chambre Syndicale de la Haute Couture calendar in 2013....there is a lot of ready made "designer brand" like Chanel and the like that is less than $10,000-$100,000 a dress that would laugh you out of town if you you complained $300-$600 a dress was expensive. Especially considering the designer input involved and niche market it is tailored to. Seriously, the baseline for most premiere fashion houses is at least $2,00 a dress.

tl;dr Lolita isn't haute couture but even with READY MADE designer brand fashion - as fashion hobbies go lolita is the cheapest of the cheap.

>>7595010
I hate the OP and not terribly fond of the JSK. I think it would be too short on me anyway (most AP just doesn't sit anywhere comfortably for me). Does this taobao shop sell the fabric for Holy Lantern? I'm incredibly tempted to get a seamstress to make something with a more simple, longer elegant design.

>>7595096
Let me dumb this down for you:
I like cornflakes. I don't want to go and buy (brand) Kellogs because that shit is $11 and I can buy the homebrand (taobao) version for $3 and it smells/looks/tastes identical. I'm not going to go to the weird alternative breakfast cereals (Bodyline) to get something else just because I can't afford Kellog's cornflakes when I have the option of cheaper homebrand cornflakes.

>Oh, but then you can't brag and say you own original brand cornflakes!!
I'm eating them for my own pleasure, not so I can rub them in my comm's face that I buy Kellogs brand cornflakes. I like the look and taste of cornflakes and I like saving money from buying homebrand too, so I can buy more things.

>>7595344
Taobao corn flakes aren't slapping Cornelius Rooster on their box either. Try again.

>>7595344

The thing about cereal though is that it all tastes like dried up shit.

When I go to the superamarket, I usually don't buy tesco canned food for instance. I once did. It tasted nothing like what it advertised (in this case, soup), had weird shit in it (a fucking bread roll), and smelled weird. From then on, I stuck to reputable brands like Campbell's soup.

And that is exactly what the difference usually is between shitty replica and brand. I honestly don't care about copyright and licensing and whatever the fuck people go on about, but quality is usually lesser in replicas, that's just how it works. You like the taste of shitty Tesco soup? Fine, but it's laughable to say that they are the same quality.

>still no one cares about non print replicas

Dear taobao pls replicate lacemarket.net/btssb-vert-clair-set burandocunts wont care

>>7595367
you'd never notice the difference in a setting like a convention or something though. girls will just pile on all kinds of shit accessories and you'll see her in passing and be like "hey cute". you'll NEVER fucking know the difference unless it was literally falling apart, and even then probably not.

>>7594663
no shit sherlock. she implied that only ita/poorfags/fatties wear bodyline

which is a stupid assumption altogether

I think the best thing to do it let whiny babby fatties buy replicas.
Everyone can do whatever they want so you can buy replicas all you want but the rest of us can still shittalk you for it.

>>7595344
That isn't the same, though because Kellogs is a big corporation that makes a ton whether you buy the real deal or the knock off.
Angelic Pretty can actually get fucked over if people are selling an equal quality version of their product on taobao.

>>7595367
These are the same quality though, that's the issue with these new replicas. They are made as well as the real thing, probably in the same damn factory.

>>7595392
replicas aren't really ever made until after they are sold out. pretty sure you cant get that print anymore. So the value of the originals goes up for people who own them get to sell them for more, AP sells out of their limited dresses anyway.

AP doesn't lose out on anything unless they plan on doing a rerelease, and even then they still sell the same amount.

>>7594288
I think it is because the white middle part of the authentic one looks less detailed.

>>7594365
By your defination, all brands make replicas of each other because of using the exact same dress shapes.

>>7595344
Except homebrand Corn Flakes are really dry and taste like shit

My opinion on replicas of brand dresses, designer handbags, electronics and whatever is only one: buy what you can actually afford. Don't sacrifice yourself and your fun for a silly status symbol that changes nothing in your life.

>>7595426
Lol, what? Having several elements in common is very different from straight up copying the whole design like with those god-awful MM replicas.

>>7595392
The people thatbuy replicas wouldn't buy the originals in the first place so it isn't a loss for them anyways, it's not like if their popular stuff doesn't sell out within minutes.

>>7595432
you are so fucking dumb arguing this lmao

>>7595442
Even if people who buy brand now decided to get replicas instead, I personally wouldn't care, to be honest. Less stress over a new release knowing at least a small fraction of the competition is gone. More burando for me.
The good stuff brands come up with sell fast. The ugly shit doesn't sell, not because of replicas, but because it's ugly shit. Maybe they should spend less on producing ugly stuff and making more of the popular designs.

>>7595434
And the argument against this is that lolita is a luxury, if you can't afford the good stuff don't waste your money on even attempting at all if you're so poor, etc. etc.

>>7595392
I'm not pro-replicas but, man, that's one stupid argument. Replicas are usually from dresses that had already sold out. Meaning Angelic Pretty can't make money from them anymore.
I hope you don't buy second hand because that would make this argument even more stupid.

>>7595426
Except I didn't define replicas? I simply stated that being a replica and being printed are not mutually exclusive. Can you read?

>>7594430
Why do you care so much if your comm sees photos of you wearing it. Why do you care so much that you let what they might think alter things you would do.
It's your life, who gives a fuck what people who aren't you or aren't paying for your clothing think.

>>7595448
No, I'm pointing out that the argument that knock-offs replicas are the same quality is rubbish and that they are actually of much lower quality, not just in lolita. Sorry that I needed to spell that out for you.

>>7595462
you're so dumb, im so sorry for your parents

>>7595454
Brands are luxury, as are normalfag designer clothes. But fashion itself definitely isn't.

>>7595010
Why do these replica places never gather their lace on the bottom. It looks terrible like that.

>>7595367
One experience doesn't really provide enough evidence to suggest that there's a huge quality difference. You can't simply say that brands immediately equal quality, either. More often than not VW and Baby's shoes are completely shit quality, I've seen some shocking AP and Baby dresses too (I'm talking lace quality, seams, ect). You ought to stop pretending that you are paying extra for quality 100% of the time when a huge portion of the time you really are just paying for a label and a shittier cheap brand is producing the exact same thing.


More often than not, big brands like Kellogs OWN the "homebrand" brands too, because the product is made and produced in the same place. There is a decrease in marketing costs, making the "homebrand" product cheaper for them to produce. How devious is that though? "If I can't get these niggers to eat mah expensive cornflakes, it don't matter 'cause I own the cheap shit too! All the niggers eatin' mah cornflakes!"

>>7594858
anti replica I can understand, but anti bodyline?
sorry, my feet are too large for brand shoes and an tan nai is shit, gonna go bodyline.
"LOL SHIT TEIR LOLITA"
ok then.

>>7595392
Please tell me how AP is going to be royally fucked when they sell out of every release? They make ends meet regardless of having to cater for larger sizes and the international market.

>>7595367
I can't stop laughing about a random bread roll being in your can of soup.

>>7595466
Eh, I would say fashion is a luxury. You're not always going to find the most cohesive outfit on a tight budget. If you're that low on funds, some people will be walking around with a plain T-shirt and jeans. That's not really fashion, that's just clothes. It costs money to be fashionable.
But again, I don't care what people choose to spend their money on. Some of these arguments are just pretty bad.
Like, I don't believe anyone has a right to pretty clothes, but I also don't think anyone should be so bootyflustered over someone having a similar dress as them that was cheaper and likely lower quality.

>>7595462
I hate to break it to you as it is clear in your experience you haven't had the ability to purchase both brand and replicas in both lolita and other fashion as well as other areas such as technology. I don't want to bash around my privilege but I have had the chance to explore it and can tell you that there are replicas that do rival brand. In lolita, there are replicas that are identical and more often than not, girls thought the original was the fake because there was actually a quality difference where the replica was actually better than real Baby. So please, get a real job, get some money and learn to appreciate the fact that golden magical burando is actually not as amazing as you think it may be. I don't understand the whole glory surrounding brand, especially in clothing. Just because "Angelic Pretty" is on the tag does not make it the top tier of all that is Quality.

>>7595490
Well, do consider that lolita itself became more established due to the combination of handmade and off-brand items, long before Angelic Pretty and anything else came along. That's actually how many specific styles came to be as well, even outside Japan. Fashion is pretty democratic that way. Replicas sure aren't avant-garde, but they are still an expression of that.

>>7595438
Even japanese lolitas complain about brands relasing the almost same design with minor differences, best example for that is IW and MM.

>>7595492
I'd like to see whatever replicas you've been around then, because I've owned a few and seen more than my fair share of them (from AP to Baby to VM), and none of them have come even close to brand quality.
This OP or Oojia's new MM Perfume Bottle replica are the closest I've seen, and even so, there are a few problems with both.

>>7595465
What a great and well-written retort! Keep on enjoying your fugly replicas then.

>>7595512
i dont need a well written "retort" when talking to someone with the IQ of 44 and arguing about corn flakes.

>>7595492
I currently own 20 something brand dresses and have owned 50-60 over the years that I've been into lolita. I have seen many replicas over the years worn by newbies in my comm and to be honest, the quality of them gets worse and worse each year. How does wanting to support brands make me poor, exactly? I spend my money wisely and I'm not badly off. Brand isn't always good quality, but that tends to be with items like shoes and jewellery which I buy elsewhere. You are indeed very privileged to have owned beautifully crafted garments such as this, though.

>>7595519
that dress is hideous

>>7595500
But that's exactly what I was talking about, "having several elements in common is very different from straight up copying the whole design".

You have to be an idiot to think that a black woolen coat with a fur caplet is a replica when that's all they have in common, basic elements. Pic related is a design replica.

>>7595516
But I never brought up Corn Flakes? I was criticizing the person that did. Aren't you the one who wrote the poorly-written analogy about Corn Flakes in the first place? If you don't want it criticized, then don't post here in the first place.

>>7595516
fucking #rekt
and I think replicas look like shit, but the anon you're talking to is retarded.

>>7595392

I would have so much more sympathy for this argument if AP didn't remove their entire international shop, forcing all international lolitas to deal with Tenso. I don't see my loyalty to AP being rewarded in any way, and if they insist on kissing Japanese asses so much, let the Japanese lolitas support them. Shit was already dumb with their La Foret-only special sets that they only released onto the Japanese site if it didn't sell out anyway.

>>7595516
Why is it always the people with terrible grammar who are always saying "lol u so dum dun talk to me"? They can never form a coherent argument to support whatever it is they're trying to say either, they just spew lame comebacks like a 12 year old.

>>7595502
What's the problem with Oojia's Perfume Bottle? It's one of the only replica's I've considered getting.

>>7595536
because grammar and punctuation really matters on the internet.

that's the only thing you can nitpick after someone tells your dumb ass off. wipe the drool off your chin retard

>>7595536
I forgot how classy lolitas are. Did you write that reply with your feather quill and have your butler transcribe it so his pleb fingers touch the keyboard and not yours, but only after he made sure his internet grammar and spelling was impeccable?

go binge and purge

>>7595551
Typical of the type I just described to think I must be the person you were originally replying to - well done! I didn't see you telling anyone's "dumb ass" off as you have yet to make an actual argument or respond logically to anyone. I've just seen you shouting "no u so dum" instead of trying to tell people why you disagree that replicas are of lower quality.

>>7595559
It's because it's so hard to get past how incredibly stupid you are!

>>7595561
So by stating that like with knock-off cereal being of poorer quality than the real deal (in response to your shitty analogy), lolita replicas tend to be of lower quality than the original, anon is "incredibly stupid"? Good god. I'm going to be off now as I will lose brain cells if I keep talking to the likes of you. Wearing your shiny, papery sacks is enough punishment for your stupidity.

>>7595010
I'd like to see this worn on anyone with tits larger than an A cup.

Probably won't ever happen, though.

>>7595566
you're still talking about cereal?

>>7595566
i love it when lolitas pretend to be so classy and smart, bet this bitch hasn't even gone to uni and probably still live in mums basement

>>7595570
>>7595573
You're rivaling the idiocy of the commentors on gyaru_secrets, just sayin'.

>>7595576
4/10

>they are selling the fabric and matching lace by the yard.
Did anyone else hear a chorus? I know it's all replica but as a plus sized lady I'm excited to make something that would actually fit well and with the right silhouette.
>inb4 'lose weight fatty'

I'm always baffled by the people who say, "It's just the internet! Who needs coherent English?" Do these people refuse to use proper grammar when verbally talking to their friends? Do they only put effort into how they talk during formal settings? I can't imagine that they'd be very well practiced for those situations if they never use it any other time.
It's like they don't understand the correlation between people's perceptions between grammar and intelligence. Are they also saying that it doesn't matter if you walk around in stained ragged clothes, since they aren't in court so who cares? Do they really think that people aren't going to treat a smartly dressed person differently from some shlub?

>>7595292
Haute couture or high designer fashion, it doesnt matter. Either comparisons are stupid.

>>7595701 because what that anon said was completely incoherent?

>>7595701
I'm sitting here imagining how long it took you to proof-read and tweak that reply over and over again before finally pressing submit.

Your word choice and the entire way you've structured your rant is just so damn try-hard, lol.

>>7595160
500 bucks is nothing, even in hobbies that don't involve collecting.
Photography? 500 bucks for a great lens is a steal.
Crafts? If you want good quality materials, that's gonna stack up very quickly.
Books? A seizable personal library easily exceeds 500 bucks.

I could go on, but point is, if you're too cheap to invest in what is a luxury hobby partially focused on collecting garments (prints are collectibles, no matter how you put it), that's your loss.

>>7596230
Good art books are around 150$ each easily too. Basically every hobby is pricier than lolita.

Thing is, everything about lolita in findable on the internet. It's a basic collection hobby, you don't have so much things to learn nor that much basic requirement etc.
If you want to get into photo for example, you will shell 1500$ for some basic equipement, maybe 200$ more for one or two basic classes to learn how to use your shiny new thing without fucking it up, then some other 300$ in exhibitions/books/journey to practice on a regular basis, not mentionning buying more lenses, equipment and maybe photoshop or something of that kind.
Same goes for sewing : 700$ for a good sewing machine, 30$/yard for a medium-good fabric without counting lace, tulle, ornaments etc.

So yeah, lolita is dirt cheap especially given that you can find dresses for less than 100$ constantly.

>>7595566
you do know a lot of knock off cereal is made by the same company

right?

I certainly hope no one is this retarded and pays extra for "brand" cereal when it's the exact same fucking thing.

Well I don't condone replicas in any way and honestly I feel like some people are going to sell these secondhand and pretend it's the real deal.

>>7596230
>tfw I can spend $500 in a month on figures but can't justify buying even toned down lolita pieces that could be integrated into everyday wear
Someone, please come slap sense into me.

>>7596268

>>7595010

Indeed very tempting, I might buy if they also do the jsk versions. The print is nice but I wouldn't never shell out as much as it's currently going for on the secondhand market cause I'm not in love with it and want it bad enough.

>>7595010
If they make white or red I would buy the fabric and make my own dress out of it. I hate the JSK cut and the OP is soooo short.

>>7595473
What about the designers and illustrators ?? Come on, it's art and you can sell art at whatever price you deem it's worth.

Most lolita dresses are sought after for their prints. Taobao dresses with prints often have wonky characters, or they look like they jumped from a kid's comic book. It's easy to cut costs when you don't have to pay a qualified print illustrator and save on days of work.

>>7596268
I feel you anon my figure collection is out of hand but can't justify spending the same amount on Lolita... My plastic pretties...

>>7596230
I remember when I had to shell out 600€ for my first year of art school in supplies only. Obviously that didn't cover running out of said material and buying a tablet or the adobe license (because nobody does, thankfully).

Said tablet for web illustration cost around 300€ and the pen alone 100, if I lose it. The best ones are around 1000€.

Lolita doesn't strike me as expensive hobby considering 2 new video games are worth a brand new skirt. And you can't even resell the games for a fraction of the price, especially if they're not that good.
Same with those warhammer's like games and figurines. I'm sure you can find a ton of others more expensive hobbies out there.

>>7596246
Exactly what I was saying. It's like people complaining about lolita being expensive have never partaken in any kind of hobby before.

>>7596398
It's more like people were arguing that lolita is not an expensive hobby

>>7596268
It's not just you anon. I have so many things preordered and also just spent close to $300 on my grail. I don't even bother with brand as much as I love lolita.

Since we're talking about replicas, a question:

Where can I sell a taobao replica? Of the expensive (which for taobao is like 100€) kind?

I need to get rid of it, because something really bad happened to me while I was wearing it and it disturbs me to even look at the dress.

>It was the first lolita dress I found when researching and I did not know it was a replica at the time.

>>7596418
ebay, probably. or the lolita sales page on facebook. just make sure you label it as a replica and dont scam people.

Since we're talking about replicas, a question:

Where can I sell a taobao replica?

I need to get rid of it asap, something horrible happened to me when I was wearing it and it disturbs me having it in my closet.

>>7596422
Sorry, repeated post

>>7596418
this is the precise reason we need to stop replica-coddling and saying shit like "i don't care if people sell replicas"

innocent newbies tread happily into the fashion, are tricked into buying replicas out of ignorance, and are filled with remorse after realising the truth. they didn't even mean to buy a replica in the first place. fucking replica peddlers. just stick your damn sales to the greasy cheapskate itas.

>>7596427
"tricked" you can be tricked by anyone, especially in the lolita community. Scams happen on the fucking daily and there's literally no repercussions for them AT ALL.

I don't care if people buy or sell replicas, just say that they are replicas. If you're a scumbag buying a replica and selling it at full price, you're a scumbag in general. That has nothing to do with a replica itself

>>7596435
you can be tricked into buying a replica brand-new (not from lacemarket or egl) because you didn't know about the putrid existence of replicas. it's saddening to realise later that your virgin loli dress is actually a despicable ripoff.

that's what i meant

>>7596427
>>7596435
>>7596444
Well, in my case (person who wants to sell the replica) I thought at the time qutieland was the only place that sold lolita. I got excited over one dress and bought it. Paid a lot because of customs. Later I bought brand and this specific replica is of a very nice quality (even though it's obviously a replica because the colours are off)

At this moment I just want to get rid of it at any price (and use that money to buy a basic piece or something)

I don't want to be identified so I won't use facebook, but I'll try on e-bay. Thank you for suggesting it!

>>7595783
If you're not a drooling idiot (or dyslexic) it takes only a few seconds to proofread a post, if you need to proofread at all. But by all means continue to think that having a basic grasp of language is as hard for everyone else as it is for you.

>>7596268
I know that feel. It doesn't help that the people around me feel the same way about my hobbies. €200,- game console impulse buy? Sure! Treat yo'self! €200,- on five blouses I could also wear to the office? ANON YOU ARE SO CRAZY

Seriously though I've completely stopped buying clothes in brick-and-mortar stores. Everything's the exact same made-in-China quality as stuff on aliexpress or taobao, but three times as expensive and three times as boring. I've been saving so much money, it's insane.

>>7596498
>€200,- game console impulse buy? Sure! Treat yo'self! €200,- on five blouses I could also wear to the office? ANON YOU ARE SO CRAZY

Haha, same here, Anon.
I remember talking to a friend of mine, and he told me i was absolutley crazy I spend all my hard earned money on dresses; right after that he told me he was planing to get a 700€ home cinema system.
I generaly noticed a trend within my friends (male or female) though: It's always awwwright when it's cool guy's stuff (vidya, consoles, game merch, expensive fancy alcohol), but not some stupid girly dresses.

Sage for OT.

>>7595112
I'd get more replicas if I couldn't ever get the orignal. I only own one replica and it's the black dream sky from oojia(the chiffon is kinda shitty, but it's comfy and it's cute since I like the new cut I had her make it in since I didn't like the cut of the original. I do want the rerelease in navy or lavender for real one day. Like having a replica feels... okayish? But if I ever had the money and the chance to get the real thing for any dress I'd do it, and have done it for other dresses. And I always lean more towards real dresses than not.

>>7596631
>>7596498
Except people who treat themselves to those things don't buy things nearly that expensive on a regular or semi regular basis.

>>7597633
What I mean is, if I see it and I have the funds then I'd hop on it like a vulture.

How difficult is it to resell replicas?
I want to buy one, but I also want to get the real deal one day.

>>7597672
There are loads of facebook lolita sales group, replica sell pretty fast there.

>>7597697
especially those made for plus size go pretty fast if it's a popular one and looks cute. I think the ones with the closest to the orignal's cut would sell faster

>>7596470
Oh wow, is that what you took away from my comment? You are a moron, lol!

>>7597672
I'd buy it off you anon, I'm really tempted to get it but don't wanna go through the trouble of getting a SS and all that

>>7594047
>melty cream donut fabric for sale
aw yeah

I wonder if they will ever do the misty sky again, or how good it was. I own the jsk but I'd like to buy a knock off to wear around the house since I don't want to mess up my original

>>7596418
Ebay, you can get way more than you paid for it even used if you want.

>>7597724
dis bitch pretzel

>>7597857

Replica fags can't walk into a normal store and buy anything because most things on the shelf are a replica of something else.

Fashion 101.
Apparently you idiots think only small time brands matter.

"ugh! I'm not gonna be like those replica faggots"
>spends more than 1300 in a month for brand
>ends up getting shitty prints
>sticks with decent replica cause my wallet is crying

the amount of mad in this thread is amazing

so much passion ladies

>>7595259
Yeah, but we're not comparing it to haute couture. You can go on any god damn website and find ready to wear high fashion shit going for $500+, $1000+, man even $3000+ easily.

>>7597904
I don't think you know what a replica is

>>7597639

Of course mist if them.do, Anon. Many people already pointed out that many hobbies can get very expenisve, and gaming / technic / merchandise is no expection. (Many serious gamers reserve speciall more expensive games in special pre order packs, you need new consoles, gamer Pcs, headsets, new games, ecetera...)

I would not say Lolita is a cheap hobby. But many ither hobbies are too, if you are serious about them; collector hobbies especually. And everytime I hear people cry "hurr durr why you spend so much money n stupid clothes??!" I just assume they have never had a hobby they are passionate about, or are still high schoolers who have never had jobs and to whom $50 are still an incredible high sum of money.


Also, to stay on topic: If you buy a replica because the original is too expensive, I think you might be in the wrong hobby l. Same with fatties buying replicas. I am a fatty by Lolita standards myself, bzt I do not run around crying about burabdo not catering to chubby western gurls. I buy offbrabd, indie and the brand that actually fits me.

>>7598382
What about those of us who have the brand dresses but would not mind buying a replica for casual wear? I'm thinking of buying replica duplicates of some of my dresses so I don't need to worry about getting so many of my things dirty

>>7598109
Omg anon. What is this from? I'm just watching each girls individual dance moves and losing my shit

>>7598390
Well bluntly that's no better. Yes you've given money to your brand of choice but in buying knock offs for casual wear you are directly funding replica companies to continue making replicas.

>>7598396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91HNDrdH1CQ

>>7598390
What's the point of dropping hundreds on a dress if you're gonna wear a replica of it anyway? So that you can dust it off once a year to impress a bunch of internet girls? To feel snobby for owning it, even though in reality you wear chinese knock-offs?
Like I understand having one or two expensive dresses so delicate/flashy that you reserve them for very special occassions, but it's clearly not the case if you're talking about replicas.

I want to get use out of my money so I'd rather invest in two staple pieces than a one beautiful but completely impractical... but I'm also not the person to complain about "being too scared to wear my $350 dress out".

>>7595010
If they have the OP in red I'm definetly adding it to my current order. A girl I know has the same chest size as me and it looks really cute on her. I'd rather buy a replica and have it not fit than throw down a couple hundred on the original. I just wish the lace at the bottom was nicer though...

>>7598406

I have replicas for events where the chance of something bad is going to happen to my clothing is high, i.e outdoor festivals, bars, zoos etc because brand dresses are worth too much to get a drink spilled on them or food on them. I think that's what the other anon meant

>>7595567
you'd look like a tent. this type of stuff only looks good on petit girls imo

>>7598677
it's true, that sort of cut wouldn't look good on any girl with a bigger bust. It just makes you look fat(or fatter). A belt would be the only way to give yourself a waistline then, but it'd be hard to make it still lolita? Like the Op for Holy Lantern is just a really picky dress... with how short it is and it doesn't seem to have much poof either in most worn photos... it is almost barely "lolita" at all.

>>7595010
this wouldn't look good for big boobs and wide shoulders still.....but gosh dang I'd love to make some cute arm cuffs and pillows out of that fabric

>>7595344
It's more like this; the keloggs cost too much and I would never buy them, but the alt is cheap enough to afford and looks pretty good to me. If kelloggs didn't exist from this I wouldn't care, because while this takes the idea and formula from their original product, I never intended to but it anyway so it matters little to me that ive chosen to buy its knockoff. If the knockoff didn't exist, well, I'd be doing without cornflakes and that would be just fine to me.

>>7595478
>an tan nai is shit
lol what?

>>7598382
Are your fingers so chubby that you can't even spell shit properly, fatty-chan?

What do lolitas think about non-print replicas? And what if the design was slightly altered? Basically, I was a seamstress to make me a dress that has the aesthetic of Fairy Marine by Angelic Pretty, but long chiffon sleeves. Would this be more of an inspiration than a replica or?

>>7599270
*want

>>7599270

The situation is a bit weird, but supporting local seamstresses has always made the sandy seagulls here approve (including me, and I'm pretty sandy). And if it's high quality, a lot of people will end up asking for the name of the seamstress if you happen to be in a comm. Win-win I suppose.

>>7599277
I agree, I was just wondering where a line is drawn when it comes to art theft. To be completely honest, Fairy Marine has the same style of a lot of more casual dresses found in substyles such as Fairy Kei. I would buy the dress, in all actuality, I just don't really like the sleeves or the price tag.

>>7599270
I think if you get it made in a different colorway, and change some details (long sleeves sound really cute) then no-one will mind- especially if you hire a local seamstress.

>>7599231
they wear out easily, and are made of thin pleather crap.
my bodyline shoes are easily better, and that's sad.

>>7599561
Well some people have clown feet and can't even fit into Bodyline. Size 28cm fag here.

Check your privilege, Chinese feet chan.

>>7598396
I know, I always watch it over and over

>>7599561
Shit. I just ordered some shoes off Antaina too.

>>7594286
Stay mad poorfag/itaweeb/fat/replica-chan <3

That's one fucking ugly dress, why do people even replica this kind of shit?

>>7600050
I own only bodyline shoes.
nice generalizing.
stay dumb <3

>>7600050
fat cow detected