/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

The materials always look crappier and usually shiner in person. (see photo of their 'chemise a la reine' dress) never order a custom size or be prepared to get alterations.

Overall, they're meh? I would rather go for an indie brand with better materials but that's just me.

>>7456467
That is so sad. I thought that it looked pretty online...guess this puts it to rest.
>>7456325
Anon, if you buy this, please show us what it's like when it arrives! I love pintuck jsks, but I always miss them when brands put them up for sale.

>>7456325
There was another anon who was posting here sometime last year, she bought that dress in red and tried so, so hard to make it work in lolita but that black area around the collar is a weird semi-transparent mesh that makes any attempt to cover your arms/shoulders look weird as hell. That feature is just way, way too awkward to work into anything nice. I put this coord together for her to try and make it workable but I think it would be very hard to pull off, especially for a beginner.
(I lightened the dress because she said the fabric wasn't anywhere close to the rich jewel tone in the stock image, which is another thing F+F is infamous for).

>>7456532
Not OP, but would a sheer black chiffon blouse with long sleeves work with that dress? It might still look a bit off, but it might give it the appearance of an OP rather than awkward jsk + blouse.

>>7456467
That doesn't look shiny to me? It's just white cotton in natural light.

That said, never order satin from them, stick to cotton items. I actually like their blouses and underskirts as long as it's a style with only cotton lace, and their pettis for custom length means a good tea length petti.

>>7456586
It may not be shiny, but the fabric quality does look pretty cheap in the photo compared to what they have on their site

Their stuff is pretty damn average. Unlined dresses, shit patterning (hence why custom size is so hit and miss), average fabric, average to below average construction. Their general quality is below reputable taobao brands like Infanta and Dear Celine, but similar to Boguta/whatever they're called now and Dream of Lolita.

>>7456325
There was one dress that only one of the colorways didn't look like crappy shiny satin, so I e-mailed them to ask whether that one was made out of a different material. They replied that the stock photo was made from broadcloth, but the dress would be made with satin unless it was requested to be broadcloth. So definitely check out what materials are listed and don't go by the photo.

I still have their eBay store favorited from like 2005 or something. I knew I had developed some experience as a lolita when I started looking at their pieces and just feeling like there's always something 'off' about each one. I've never ordered from them, but I think the general consensus is you can spend your money on better quality and fit in other places. It seems like f+f is a magnet for people who are intimidated by bodyline's site and are just starting out, or are on the very large size and want a cheap custom option. All in all I've never seen a f+f main piece in an outfit that I've thought was pulled off very well.

>noowith Plants

captcha wat

>>7456467
http://egl.livejournal.com/19416007.html

there's a pic of someone wearing it in this link, the shirring placement is super weird and gives double boob loaf

Hi. I want to order the "Fire Balloon" dress in black but few things bother me: first, the length. It is 96cm if the website measurements are correct and I am only 155cm, it will be too long. Also, I love the print of the skirt part but apparently, F+F had the great idea to put the seam at the FRONT of the dress (I saw it in a review, but idk if it is the same for all dresses). So yeah, I don't know what to do. I love this dress for the skirt part and the top one looks cute but I am not sure I will like it IRL as much as I do when I see it on the Internet.

The design of that dress is really weird... you can get the balloon fabric on Taobao, though. Amastacia also made a jsk using it.

>>7457149
Sorry, >>7457181 was meant in reply to you.

>>7457149
DO NOT GET THIS. I got the lady 70 a few years ago and it's just awful. The little bow in front is flimsy satin ribbon and just attaches to the bodice with a crappy pin. The bodice itself is a shine monster of costumey satin.

The only way you could salvage this is if you tear the top off and just keep the skirt since the print is true to life. Some indie brand (I think) did this, and it was was pretty cool. I'm the same height as you, so you'll need to trim the skirt as well since it's LOONG.

>>7457149
Order it made-to-measure for $5 more and tell them the skirt length you'd like.

But it's a fugly dress regardless. The bodice is cut too low to wear solo for Lolita and it looks terribad with a blouse under. The sleeve construction is very strange, they just attach a puffed sleeve with a horizontal seam, see pix.
And the skirt seam is smack down the front in the stock picture and they don't match up the fabric patterns on their seams at all (on any dresses) so I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

>>7457190
Oh yeah and like the other anon mentioned, dat low cut bodice. I had to readjust it so many times because I felt completely naked next to the other lolitas whenever I bent over.

Most is unlined, with serged edges, subpar lace, cheaper thinner fabrics. They are still a cosplay shop and use basic costuming techniques not nicer quality. They don't match fabrics at the seams and there are often other problems. Fairy Twilight's printed panel doesn't match the rest of the skirt fabric, for instance.

I'd place them slightly above most of Bodyline but way below TaoBao indie in both quality and reputation. Not worth the prices, definitely.

It's also very hard to get a good custom fit from them unless you send them a bazillion measurements (more than they ask for) and diagrams. They will use better fabrics on some things, if you request, but there's an up charge for it.

Ordered my first dress from here, and a custom skirt. Skirt was fine - good fabric, sizing, shape, although I chose the most ita skirt possible. The dress itself was... alright. It had some dirt on it, and it was about an inch larger than the measurements given. The bow was saftey pinned on. After some adjustments I was able to make it look quite cute. Still not very impressed, though.

I've been really wanting this one. Any reviews?

>>7457149
don't get it, everyone says the fabric on it really sucks.

I always thought their button down jsk didn't look too bad.

>>7457256
someone was trying to sell theirs a month or so ago

I bought their Bookish Beauty in red.
It's actually really nice quality, I was surprised.
Still havent been able to wear it out because I don't have a suitable underskirt (open back). If you order it, size up. I was an inch or so under the small measurement and it's pretty tight on my waist.

>>7457276
I'm trying to find if there's a few other pieces of theirs worth noting.

>>7457297

>>7457291
Courderoy or suedette? Yuk.

>>7457300
That's the one of the ones where the printed panel doesn't even match the rest of the skirt and the chiffon over skirt is shapeless and droopy if not set just right.

>>7457300
Are there coats well made?

>>7457313

>>7457300

>>7457108
Better pic although I still don't like her corset. Covers the weird double boobs though.

>>7457280
>>7457256
I'm the one who bought it actually. I don't have pictures of it worn yet unfortunately (But I can take some if you really want)
Anyways, the fabric is kinda thin but the dress is fully lined, cotton on the bodice and polyester for the skirt. Close-up the fabric has a subtle white floral imprint.
The chiffon only goes around the front half and you'll definitely have wear a white petti under it, any other color would show.
I can't really say much for the fit because honestly it's a bit loose on me even with the corset string pulled tight, but it does have metal grommets for the lacing and I think it's plastic boned. It's really low waisted (though maybe I'm just short) but I think it mentions this.
The one thing that really bugs me on this dress though is that for some reason, the dress is an ivory but they decided to use stark white lace......I think it might have been to matched the white imprint but it's way too white.

That's the thing with F+F, there stuff looks decent at first but there's always that ONE fucking detail that throws everything off ugh.
Overall, definitely not worth the original price. but hey, that other anon sold it for pretty cheap so whatever.

>>7457276
It's a copy of one of Meta's standard pintuck designs.

>>7457351
>That's the thing with F+F, there stuff looks decent at first but there's always that ONE fucking detail that throws everything off ugh.
THIS. So much fucking this. I do like their designs but there's always that one thing. This >>7457326
dress for example has shitty lace that doesn't quite match (floral lace??) and the same goes for this >>7457315
coat. Shitty fabrics, mismatched thread, laces that make no sense...Cute designs but poorly executed.

>>7457362
Honestly with >>7457326 I'd buy it and just carefully remove the lace, because that dress doesn't need lace at all.

>>7457300
wow, that looks much worse then online. the overskirt doesn't match the printed skirt bit at all.

>>7457351
>That's the thing with F+F, there stuff looks decent at first but there's always that ONE fucking detail that throws everything off ugh.
Overall, definitely not worth the original price. but hey, that other anon sold it for pretty cheap so whatever.

So you knowingly bought an ill-fitting shitty quality Lolita dress to wear just because it was cheap? Lovely.
That's such a great example of what is wrong with this fashion JFC.

What about their blouses? Will it be fine if I stick to cotton, or I'm better off searching somewhere else?

>>7457453
To be fair, I didn't know that it wouldn't fit me as well as I thought it would because apparently I'm skinnier than I thought I was. And for the price that I bought it as, it's nice. Just saying it's not worth the original $130 you know?

>>7457453

>take a shovel
>dig the sand out of your vagina
>???
>enjoy your life

>>7457276
shes cute and all but her posing like that in every coord is starting to grind my gears

>>7457517
you think she's cute? I always thought her face looked liked it was made out of silly putty

>>7457453
deep breaths anon

>>7457256
Just get a Millefleurs JSK, it's a replica

>>7457276
Maybe because they stole the deisgn?

>>7457313
I ordered pic related in custom size and I quite like it, decent quality in my opinion. Of course I might have gotten lucky with the hit and miss other people warn about.

If I wanted to be nitpicky, I'd say that they used a different lace than in the pics provided, the fabric color is darker than in the pic and I have extra ruffles on the top of the cuffs. But none of that really bugs me, I love it nonetheless.

>7457981
The buttons, lace and trim on the stock pix look pretty cheap and shitty. The folds in the skirt part make the fabric look improperly thin for the type of garment it is and I wasn't sure that part is even lined. I'm dubious it's very good.

>>7457477
They're pretty good if you stick to cotton and cotton lace, yes. If you particularly like a design then go for it, I think taobao brands are better quality if you can find something similar though.


I'll never understand why people shit on F+F any more than they do Bodyline, their quality is superior, imo (and without the shady business practices to boot).

>>7458367
You answered your own question, pretty much.

Because compared to TaoBao indie brands they are much lower quality for roughly the same price. Because Bodyline quality for about 3x the price.

Also because when you are paying even these lower-than-brand prices, unexpected things wrong, significant differences from stock photos, cheaper fabric and poor fit in a custom aren't acceptable.

>>7458367
Thanks! I'm starting out with the fashion and I don't have any blouses yet, but I always found Bodyline's too cutesy for my taste. F+F designs look more elegant and I can see myself wearing them outside of lolita with some nice pants.

>pic related

>>7457477
I only have one of their blouses (pic related), but I love it to pieces. I had it custom sized, and it fits like a dream (I'm way too tall for most brand blouses with long sleeves). The fabric is a little thin, but I almost always wear an undershirt with lolita anyway, to make cleaning my pieces easier.

>>7458389
But Bodyline is just as shitty with those things.

>>7458399
Yeah, that's why I go with F+F for cheaper blouses apart from secondhand brand blouses. I can post some of their blouses I'd recommend, if you'd like. >>7458416 is one of them.

>http://www.fanplusfriend.com/servlet/the-1609/Elegant-Gothic-Lolita-Puffy/Detail
(minus the stupid neck corset)
>http://www.fanplusfriend.com/servlet/the-729/Gothic-Lolita-cln--Stand-Collar/Detail
I had the double sleeve ruffle removed
>http://www.fanplusfriend.com/servlet/the-1899/Gothic-Lolita-Stand-Collar/Detail
>http://www.fanplusfriend.com/servlet/the-825/Gothic-Lolita-Short-Sleeves/Detail
I think I may have an older or newer version with slightly different cotton lace?

The nice thing about F+F is that you can ask them to change details a lot of the time, along with color/material. Even a lot of taobao these days doesn't allow that. So most of my blouses that aren't brand or taobao are F+F.

>>7458470
>But Bodyline is just as shitty with those things.

Very true, but at 1/3 the price, people are more forgiving of it for the price. For Bodyline prices, you can't get anything better that's still Lolita unless you buy used and even then, despite what people say about 'but you could buy used brand for Bodyline prices', used brand at Bodyline prices is NOT very stylish and often fairly worn out or needs repair, etc. a lot of younger Lolitas can get Bodyline where their mothers won't let them pay $60 for a used dress that needs repair.

Used brand at f+f prices or indie items at that cost are usually pretty good quality. I think that's why.

The detail and fabric changes and custom sizing DO work very well for some people but turn out really shitty for others. It's a gamble.

>>7457609
Do you hav a pic?

>>7458497
>but at 1/3 the price
Bodyline's non-sale prices are pretty much the same as F+F these days while having a worse quality, just saying.

>>7458530
I'm just going by what I look at and buy. All the dresses I've even liked at f+f are over $100. My last cute Bodyline dress was $40 even before the yen trick. Shipping is also 1/2 or less. I'll buy a BL dress cheaply but if paying over $100 already, I'm more likely get used brand or an indie item for f+f prices--again of what I actually like there. I know they have cheaper items but I try to compare apples to apples.
I looked at an embroidered suedette skirt at f+f but for the same price can get a velvet Surface Spell embroidered skirt.
But that's just my thinking. Some people have very good luck with f+f but it still doesn't have a very good reputation overall.

>>7458416
Thanks! That was one of the other shirts I was considering.

>>7458470
Those look lovely! I like the cutsew a lot, and it would be good to have it for the hotter months. I wouldn't have spared more than a glance at the first blouse one if you hadn't mentioned that the neck corset could be removed, but it looks really good without it.

>>7458530
This, which is what I was saying... of course if you're going by Bodyline's ugliest tartan dress that goes for $15 or something absurdly low then yeah, Bodyline is cheaper, but for the good items it's basically the same fit, price, and quality, just in another aesthetic. And Bodyline's blouses are all itchy as fuck besides, with F+F's they've never been uncomfortable for me, at least.

Secondhand brand and taobao are better for sure, but after SS fees and the hassle of waiting on an SS, sometimes you just want to grab a few quick, decent blouses.

I have a simple skirt from them. Just a plan black thing with a ruffle along the bottom and layers of ruffles on the back. Nice basic skirt, reasonabl nice polycotton. I think it was something like $40-50 originally but I got it for $20 through my com. Very versatile for classic and goth coords alike.

I really want this dress or the skirt version. any feedback on it?

>>7458579
I think they all have their merits, and it's good to discuss it and point out pros and cons, like the seam down the middle of the fire balloon adventure skirt or the color difference in fairy garden skirt so buyers can beware. I think the smartest budget shoppers skims the best of what all the lower cost shops offer.

>>7458642
I would love this dress without the print.. I wonder if they would make that.

>>7458867
You could inquire and ask for a quote using the fabric of choice from their fabrics page.m
They offer fabric choice on a lot of their dresses. There's usually a fee, especially if the requested fabric is nicer, but it's a reasonable request.

>>7458579
I think the best things on F+F are their coats, the ones of Bodylines are also over $100 but aren't even lined besides the material being thin fleece.

>>7459043
Lies! I own a few bodyline outerwears and my coats have lining.